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Lodi City Council adopts prayer policy

By Maggie Creamer
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:15 AM PDT

Having only lived in Lodi for three years, Karen Buchanan decided the Lodi City Council would probably not take her concerns seriously about prayers before meetings.

So she took her complaint to the Madison, Wis.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation to see if the national organization could make Lodi at least comply with its own policy requiring "non-sectarian and nondenominational prayer."

But what she would really like is for the city to remove anything connected to religion from the meeting.

"The basic thing is that the city government and any government is not to be endorsing or assisting one religion, or all religion," she said.

On Wednesday night, the council approved a new prayer policy with no discussion. The council decided to broaden its policy to allow religious leaders to offer uncensored prayers, which can include references to Jesus Christ. The policy also includes opening up the invocation or "Call to Civic Responsibility" to all religious and secular groups.

During the prayer at Wednesday's meeting, First Church of Christ Scientist Pastor Arlene Proctor thanked the council for its service before reading several passages from the Bible.

"We must trust in the Lord with all they heart, in all they ways acknowledge him. ... Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil," Proctor read from Psalms.

Buchanan had remained anonymous until she appeared on the foundation's radio show on Oct. 12 to speak about the council's decision.

She is willing to be a plaintiff in suing the city and believes the adopted policy will not hold up in court.

With the policy, she believes the council tried to honor a diversity of religion, but she does not feel that is the council's place.

"I'm disgruntled with the City Council," she said. "I don't blame them for wanting to start their meeting on an upbeat note, but you can do that without having religion being a part of that. In my view, it crosses the line."

She has read comments that people are angry about a lawsuit that could cost the taxpayers' money. She said if residents are worried about that, they should contact the council and request it to change its policy.

"I don't like the fact we'd have to do a lawsuit, I don't think anybody wants to do that," Buchanan said. "Certainly at any point the city can change their mind about the policy."

Buchanan said she didn't come forward at first because was concerned about her safety and is more of an introvert. She received one threatening phone call Tuesday and has heard about other people who have brought up this issue receiving threats in other communities.

Even though she didn't come forward at first, she knew she was willing to put her name on a lawsuit if that become necessary. But she never expected it to go this far.

"I was naive to think they would just say, 'OK we'll enforce our policy,'" she said.

Buchanan moved to Lodi from Woodland about three years ago for her job as an insurance claims worker. She believes the council was pressured into keeping prayer by religious leaders who have lived here longer.

"It's a small town sort of thing here," she said. "It's like if you haven't been here a number of years, you don't have the right to say your piece."

Contact reporter Maggie Creamer at maggiec@lodinews.com or read her blog at www.lodinews.com/blogs/citybuzz.

Reader Feedback

rantraves wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:11 PM:

" oops no U "

rantraves wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 PM:

" You don't get it Hick; Lodian wants to stop helping her side... "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 24, 2009 3:24 AM:

" thank you and no i will not shut up "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:43 PM:

" hick: heheh. You go brother! "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:49 AM:

" hicksvilianfromlodi: I've never requested this from anyone on these boards, and I've been here for years, but would you please "shut-up"? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:47 AM:

" mp wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:41 AM:
" 200 out of 63,000... hum? "

mp: Well, 200 showing to support Lodi United in no way equals 62,800 people that are in disagreement with Lodi United. I think most here know this fact. And a question for you... do you really think that there are 63,000 adults in Lodi? "

mike wrote on Oct 23, 2009 4:06 AM:

" Thank you hicksvilianfromlodi for that fine contribution to the topic at hand. "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 23, 2009 2:36 AM:

" Even though Obama hasn’t done anything he still our president, he’s smart he hasn’t done anything stupid either health care how’s that bad its a good thing we need it to better our health is there anything wrong with trying to help the poor. This plan would help them a lot, that’s why I support him I want him to succeed, because I think he’s going to do something really special that’s what our countryneeds and all of you f***ing conservative f***heads in Lodi think he’s a dipshit well guess again I think he’s going to be great he our president and I support him 100%. I think john McCain is a f***ing d**khead who always attacks Obama because he is a sore looser, im going to be the first to say this all you conservative f**k heads in Lodi only hate him because he has emerged from being a poor black man to being a great black leader who happens to be the president of our country you guys hate him because he’s black wow! I think Obama is going to do great things we as Americans should want universal healthcare why you ask because there’s about 20% " "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 23, 2009 2:35 AM:

" children’s heads. You guys need to take a step back and realize what you guys are doing and saying many of you want your president to fail and you guys are telling Muslims to go back to where you came from may I remind you, each and everyone of you are children grandchildren ect of immigrants so once you guys say something you must realize what you are saying by the way there are also white Muslims, and buy the way im an agnostic and I went to a private school for many years. "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 23, 2009 2:35 AM:

" of our population who has no healthcare what so ever, by the medi-cal is a form of socialism, social security is too so don’t say were socialist were in a mixed market economy were the govt plays a hand, were using Keynesian economics now not classical. People need to realize we need to live in the modern world even if we don’t support equal rights we should still vote for it because we have no right to say what is right and wrong in the united states based on religious views because of what is supposed to be the separation of church and state. Some of you lodians may think your not racist but many of you are especially the one who commented on that Muslim lunch article the man was trying to instate the ways of Islam into his kids is that wrong. Many of you do the same with your Christianity ways installed in your "

hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 AM:

" I have never felt as unwelcome as a mulim in lodi as i have today "

mike wrote on Oct 22, 2009 10:12 PM:

" On June 28, 1787, Franklin made a formal motion for prayers at the Constitutional Convention. The text of the motion itself reads:

I therefore beg leave to move, That henceforth Prayers, imploring the Assistance of Heaven and its Blessing on our Deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to Business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that Service. "

mike wrote on Oct 22, 2009 10:06 PM:

" Well, here's a Quick Quote from Elias Boudinot, Acting President of the United States, Chairman of the House Committee which Drafted the Bill of Rights.

We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning during the sessions in order to open the meeting with prayer." "

SusanR wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM:

" I wonder-- If the council asks for their god's guidance, and he tells them to run all the non-Christians out of town, would they do it? Will they do anything their god tells them to do? "

WA born again skeptic wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:58 PM:

" If anyone wants to pray before, during or after a government meeting, that is certainly their *individual* prerogative. The only reason for insisting on public, especially sectarian, prayer in a government setting is to attempt to take 'ownership' of the meeting and to influence all in attendance.

Public officials fight First Amendment lawsuits at their peril, wasting taxpayer dollars in the process. Such officials may very likely end up losing in the next election. Look up the Wikipedia entry for Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District for a famous example. "

Ruth1940 wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:25 PM:

" If there are any real Christians in Lodi, perhaps they would urge removal of all public prayers because Jesus said so! (Matthew 6) But hey, what would he know about it?

Anyone can silently pray anywhere and anytime he/she wants. The rest of the world doesn't even have to be silent while it's happening! Pay attention to Jesus! (The public show of prayer was EXACTLY what he was talking about.)

But hey, aren't the Muslims and Jews going to hell according to the Christians, and the Jews and Christians per the Muslims, etc.? How would prayers from a variety of traditions help anything?

Quick Quote:

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."

From Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli 1797. Unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate and signed by President John Adams.

A secular federal government was set up - no gods in the Constitution. It was stated further in the First Amendment. The same rules applied to the states with the Fourteenth Amendment. "

davidd wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:50 PM:

" According to recent nationwide surveys, 18% of Americans do not identify themselves with any particular religion, and half of them are non-believers.

Even if Lodi were only 9%, that's over 5000 right there.

And considering that we have the support of the city's Muslims, Jewish, Budhists, 7th Day Adventists, and a number of other Christians, I'd bet a poll would give our cause well over 30%.

Are we willing to intolerate and ostrasize 30% of our community because the other 70% wants to pray at a government meeting? And are we willing to risk a lawsuit over this? Apparently so. "

davidd wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:47 PM:

" mp: 200 who were willing to take a stand and join a group. There are thousands of others who are not part of Lodi United, but are Lodi citizens in favor of the separation of church and state.

Based on the feedback you've seen on this blog and others like it, is it any shock that people do not want to come forward and proclaim their support?

I personally know dozens who've told me that they are in support of Lodi United but cannot say so because they are fearful of retaliation. "

LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:01 PM:

" The city council has a duty to operate in a neutral fashion that is inclusive of everyone without regard to race, religion or creed.

The council is not doing their duty. They are needlessly taking a side instead of remaining neutral and they are putting the city in peril of legal action.

No one on this council will get my vote for re-election. "

wtf wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:47 AM:

" And does anyone ***really*** think that this new "prayer policy" by the CC isn't going to end up being a push for the "Born Agains" to shove their religion down people's throats?

Regarding the upcoming lawsuit; as a taxpayer, I'm opposed because we will be the ones paying for it. However, the CC loves to waste taxpayer dollars and always seem to being doing exactly opposite of what their constituents want.

So, to Karen Buchanan: YOU GO GIRL!!! "

wtf wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:43 AM:

" pooreastside wrote to Ms. Buchanan: "Quit being so petty is right!!"

Let me get this right....Ms. Buchanan is being "petty" because she wants Lodi's CC to enforce its own policy regarding mixing religion with politics at the CC meetings; but when it comes to Muslim parents concern over what their children eat, you wrote: "Why should the whole darn school have to cater to a few?"

You, my dear pooreastside, are a HYPOCRITE....as are many of those posting for their "right" to practice their whacked religion in a political arena yet are so quick to deny anyone else to practice codes of ethics regarding **their** religion.

Why am I not surprised? "

mp wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:41 AM:

" 200 out of 63,000... hum? "

davidd wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:01 AM:

" It's great for you all to pass judgement, and to tell Karen what YOU think is more important.

Eletric rates and other fees are certainly an important issue, but she chose to take up a different issue.

If she were the only one upset, you might have a point. But Lodi United is over 200 strong and we are all very supportive of Karen. "

pooreastside wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:16 AM:

" totally agree with Mazie and been there. She needs to go or get a life with new hobbies. She should busy herself as been there suggests and jump on the higher utility, water, etc. we are having to pay. That would keep her busy for a while. Live and let live for crying out loud. Quit being so petty is right!! "

jbhiker wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 AM:

" Thomas Jefferson interpreted the 1st Amendment in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in January 1, 1802:

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

Thomas must be turning over in his grave knowing we just passed this "law in sheep's clothing." "

been there wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:01 AM:

" Having only been living in Lodi for 3 years, one would think someone would have other issues, i.e. highest electricity rates (for non-commercial customers)in the state, highest water rates, raising the sewer rates, garbage fees, etc. etc.... Prayers @ the meetings? Get a life. "

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