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Will Harvey Milk be recognized locally?
Governor signs bill for informal holiday which encourages public schools to teach about the San Francisco gay rights activist
It's too soon to tell whether local students will begin learning about gay rights activist Harvey Milk this spring under legislation recently signed by the governor.
While it does not create a formal state holiday, the bill calls for the day to be observed by public schools. Teachers will also be encouraged to give lessons on Milk's life.
Harvey Milk is seen pictured in his camera store on Castro Street on June 28, 1977 in San Francisco. (Associated Press file photograph)
Lodi Unified School District Superintendent Cathy Nichols-Washer, however, has yet to discuss the bill and its possible implications with her cabinet. The soonest that may happen is Monday.
If a districtwide policy was required, the board of education would have to approve it.
"But I don't imagine this will," she said of the Milk Day observation.
Galt High School teacher Alex Bauer said no mention of changing current curriculum has been made at the district level there, but he favors a formal recognition.
"I like the idea since the state standards don't have much coverage of the gay rights movement. Milk was a trailblazer for gays in politics, and he should be recognized for his courage and determination in the face of difficult cultural realities."
Galt elementary parent Barbara Herrera said it's "silly" that there's a holiday dedicated to Milk, especially in these economic times. She feels instead he should be honored only in San Francisco where he lived.
"I would love to be able to shield my children, at least the two younger ones, from having things like this crammed down their throats, especially at school. I'm a proponent for tolerance, but I feel it's my responsibility, and my right, as a parent, to decide when and how to broach the subject of homosexuality with them," Herrera said.
State law allows the governor to designate and set apart specific days for having special significance. On each of the designated days, all public schools and educational institutions are encouraged to observe them by conducting suitable commemorative exercises.
For example, the second Wednesday in May is the "Day of the Teacher" to commemorate the teaching profession, while April 6 of each year is "California Poppy Day."
On that day, under state law, instruction should be given on native plants, particularly the California Poppy, and the economic and aesthetic value of wildflowers; and promoting responsible behavior toward the state's natural resources and a spirit of protection toward them.
Likewise, with Harvey Milk Day, it is the intent of the Legislature that exercises be integrated into the regular school and conducted by the school or institution within the amount otherwise budgeted for educational programs, according to the legislation approved this week.
But Nichols-Washer said Lodi Unified does not create curriculum for any of the other days, so she doesn't see how this would be any different. The bill does not provide any specific recommendations about honoring Milk.
Further, it is unclear whether teachers who decide to observe Milk on the set-aside day would be protected if their respective district decided not to adopt an official observation or curriculum to go with it.
State Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, could not be reached for comment.
The governor vetoed an identical measure earlier this year, claiming the former San Francisco supervisor should be recognized on a local level. However, a Schwarzenegger spokesman said increased recognition of Milk's accomplishments, including a posthumous Medal of Freedom from President Obama, prompted the governor to sign the bill.
The gay-rights group Equality California commended the act and called Milk a role model to millions.
Some, however, have voiced concerns about the type of activities that could constitute commemorative activities aimed at teaching about Milk's life.
Randy Thomasson, president of the conservative coalition Save California, released a statement characterizing Milk as a "public liar" and sexual predator who was in "no way a good role model for impressionable schoolchildren."
Thomasson slammed the move to commemorate Harvey Milk Day at California schools as "more in-your-face, homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination" for public schoolchildren.
And, plainly put, Herrera said she has a problem with it.
"Maybe it's silly to think I can censor what they see and hear. Just look at the TV shows these days ... but I think (Milk's) contributions are a much more suitable subject for high schoolers, not children in elementary school."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Contact reporter Jennifer Bonnett at jenniferb@lodinews.com.
Harvey Milk Day legislation at a glance
Harvey Milk was a leader in the gay rights movement who was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1977. The bill said he was the nation's first openly gay man elected to public office in a major U.S. city.A year later, Milk played a prominent role in defeat of the so-called Briggs Initiative, a ballot proposition that would have prevented gays and lesbians from teaching in the state's public schools.
In November 1978, a few weeks after the election, he and Mayor George Moscone were assassinated at City Hall by former supervisor Dan White, who had resigned his seat but wanted it back. White was angry at Moscone for refusing his request and at Milk because he had been among those lobbying the mayor against reappointing White.
"Harvey Milk Day" will not be a formal state holiday, so government employees will not be given the day off. The bill instead calls for the day to be observed by public schools as a day of special significance.
Teachers will be encouraged to conduct exercises recalling Milk's life and contributions to the state.
State Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, who wrote the bill, said Milk was a human rights leader in the same way Cesar Chavez championed Hispanic farmworkers and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. sought equal treatment for blacks.
— The Associated Press
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sven31 wrote on Oct 28, 2009 11:50 AM:
I don't trust any university that gives units for driving a tractor.
UC Davis = theory
Fresno State = reality
Stanislaus = ?
There used to be a lot of cows around the campus and what looked like a missle silo (which was an observatory) "
Gator wrote on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM:
Robin. I just might join you :-))))))) "
edumacation wrote on Oct 26, 2009 2:38 PM:
What is happening at Csustan? I thought they were known for their environmental advocacy rather than anything else? I bet you are systematics person, probably a "splitter", not a "lumper"? I took a peak at their program, and it looks little thin with a lack of analytical methods or instrumentation courses. Is plant genetics/physiology in a separate department?
As you know, you have convinced me to change my mind and fully support a "Gay Day, rather than a "Milk Day". Do you have any recommendations for an LGBT leader? We may have some excellent leaders at the School District who could be interested? "
sven31 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 1:20 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 26, 2009 11:52 AM:
strikes again... "
edumacation wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:32 AM:
Gator wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:29 AM:
boring people and a empty shell of what they believe themselves to be. Bingo!!! "
edumacation wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:10 AM:
There are many excellent choices..I am thinking probably more Chicana than Latina. What is your opinion?
We also must decide if the candidate wants to be included in the coming out ceremonies. Such questions as "Does she really know if she is L, B, or U? must be asked. It would not be inclusive to recommend a "U" (Undecided), since she might be an LL.
We are just trying to be politically correct and inclusive of ALL cultures. "
Gator wrote on Oct 26, 2009 7:21 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2009 11:09 PM:
I don't know, Gator, I just might have to take a break from Lodi and go to Idaho for a little vacation. ;-) "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 7:26 PM:
You should have gone to UC Davis, they have a good department there. Lots of research grants.
Back to Milk day. We liberals should be inclusive. Why is it that only men are selected for these special observances? Do I detect a bit of sexism? Why is it GLBT, why not LGBT?
I will compromise in the spirit of cooperation. Lets have a "Gay day", those who want to pay respects to Mr. Milk, thats your choice. How about that?
To make it more relevant we need to add some local interest!
During celebration of this momentous event, we could have a "coming out party"!
Those local leaders who have had improved career advancement or life because of Mr. Milk or any other L-GBT leader should also be recognized for their outstanding achievements as well!
I know many local leaders of a variety of professionals who would be interested including Realtors, School administrators, loan officers, and politicians. "
Gator wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:47 PM:
great ones make mistakes!!! "
Gator wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:43 PM:
are worth I would be rich 10 times over.. I’m excluding Voter and lodian, I
may argue hammer and tong with them but they have my respect… "
sven31 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 5:24 PM:
Again.... CA does not award credentials to people who have a degree in education.
They have to show some mastery of something to get a single subject credential, either by major/minor, or testing or a combination of upper and lower div. units to get a suplemental. I'm not that familiar with multiple subject credentials but I do know they have to take (tests) to obtain one.
An education degree would do me no good. My major was botany. I minored in chemistry and socialogy. I went to Stanislaus State (graduated) but did early work at Delta and some upper division stuff at UOP.
I think I was a real student or at least some of the time when I wasn't working full time on something else.
I'll have to get some time to go over your reading list. Is any of this on a test? "
Gator wrote on Oct 25, 2009 4:18 PM:
It’s turned into a whizzing contest of the pointless and mindless…… "
Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2009 1:41 PM:
edumacation: There are a lot of people that do things that are not good for their health. This should not exclude them from being considered for an honor for the good they have done in this country. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2009 1:30 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:13 AM:
Here is an assignment that you can complete in less than 30 minutes.
Visit the following websites AND actually read them.
www.cpusa.org Communist Party of the USA
www.Peoplesworld.org Peoples Weekly World---Communist party newspaper--USA
www.politicalaffairs.net "Political Affairs online Magazine--Marxist thought online.
www.yclusa.org "Young Communist League"
I beleive that You will find yourself very comfortable with the material on these pages.
This is NOT a bad thing! I am not trying to embarrass you! Do you see how the Democratic party is so close to the Communist party.
After you read these , please tell me the differences? If you can?
As a liberal you should know all this stuff. The heartfelt attitude of American Communists is very supportive of Obama. Ask yourself Why? Will ObBama EVER repudiate this information? NO! IT states what he has been stating---only they don't call themselves "Democrats" They call themselves Communists. At least the communists have been CONSISTENTLY saying the same things all along. Its the Democrats who shifted to the left. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 AM:
I think I will go back to my cauldrons and start stirring. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:36 AM:
The Prince
Das Kapital
Mein Kampf
The works of Hegel, Kierkegard, Bakunin, Adam Smith, Proudhon, David Ricardo, Karl Marx (brilliant) and many more.
Read Branden, Rand.
BTW the IWW was started in Chicago...sound familiar? "
sven31 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:28 AM:
But he was never the same and gradually got worse and worse.
Back to the point, some of the things he did have affected us to day such as the federal gov. not reimbursing states for hospitals for the mentally ill who were force out on to the streets. The deregulation he sought may have gave us savings on phones and airlines and what not, but I don't think you can claim the service is better.
His support for big business put millions out of work while the boys at the top made hand over fist and exploited average americans like you and I. By Bush (GHW) the rich were indeed richer and I was poorer and along with enough people in'92 voted Clinton into office.
The republican party at this time was also becoming more and more exclusive.
Don't believe me, watch CSPAN for tapes of the republican conventions. Every year they got whiter and whiter. I realized this was not a party I could support any longer and changed parties.
Not to democrat or even worse, independent. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:27 AM:
Look up the "Port Huron statement". Who was there? Bill Ayers and others.
Reagan--I knew members of his "kitchen cabinet" the people who selected him for governor. He was selected. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 AM:
Does it make sense---for the standard bearer of progressive liberalism to hand BILLIONS of dollars to banksters and receive NO promises or agreements?
Even Bushie and Cheney couldn't pull off this scam. Stop hunting for ghost bigots---look at the elephant in the room. It has always been there.
Who is controlling the hegemony of the banksters. You are deceived into thinking that "social hegemoney ie political correctness" is more important.
Our nation is looking into the abyss---economically---and you search for bigots? Think about the REAL enemy?
Why would banksters donate over 38 million to Obama--a liberal--unless they can extract something back?
Here is an assignment- How did Alan Greenspan go from a positivist to an objectivist? What is he now? This might give you some clues to the current economic crisis?
Its time to quit chasing ghosts and start studying about the roots of your philosophy. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:21 AM:
I'm pretty bright, but all the organizations with only letters. I can guess of few and I'm guessing the the "IWW" is not some sort of welders trade union? And I hope SWP doesn't mean "Supreme White Party (Power)"?
Hmm. I used to be a republican. I voted for Nixon, Regan ('76 primary), Ford, Regan, Reagan, Bush. I watched a program on "Presidential Movers" on History channel yesterday. A snap of Regan on the new Air Force One (747) and thought:"there is our greatest president ever" and felt a lot a pride about what he did. I've seen his speeches on CSPAN occasionally and I think, I would follow him today if he were president.
Unfortunately (and this is not a critism), I think his dementia was starting to show in his '84 debate with Mondale. The first one. I thought, he doesn't even know where he is or who he's talking to. Luckily for us, by the second debate he was wiping the floor with Mondale. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:08 AM:
I was a strident liberal, radical, and "proto communist". I surrounded myself with LEADERS of the SWP, PLP, IWW, and various factions of the CPUSA (Trotskyite, New politics etc).
I was able to defend my positions in practice debates for hours, days, and weeks at a time! 24/7/365 This to toughen and prepare for the real debates with the masses.
Please take a a few years off and learn by experience. Don't be an envelope stuffer, or a telephone secretary, but a leader, with "fresh" ideas.
Stop being a "me too" true believer.
You will learn the true nature of liberalism. It's RARELY about those you pretend to help. Its a scam. It is really all about the party and party leaders. Been there , done that.
I have MANY very close friends who are California Democratic party elected delegates. I know the real pulse of the Democratic party and its different than you may think.
Sven31--Why billions to banksters?
Altruism is the problem! "
edumacation wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 AM:
sven31 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 7:54 AM:
Yes as I said, I was looking for signs of bigotry. I love to expose bigots. Over the last year I have found that yourself, Cogster, Rhodie, and a couple of others are not what I would call bigots. I disagree yes, sometime loudly. Anger yes, when I can't convince you to change your opinions. For the most part, you guys hit the problem, not the individual, and this can be difficult for some to separate the two. You and the above named are good posters. You're a little wordy but so am I. I admire you and the above named. I wish everyone would post like you guys (although I would prefer you would take my sides' positions).
hicksvilianfromlodi: you really don't believe the monkey sex story do you?
It is believed that it originated with monkeys and that it jumped from monkeys to people by someone killing and butchering an infected monkey for food.
By the way, in that part of the world, AIDS is almost exclusively heterosexual. "
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 25, 2009 2:35 AM:
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 25, 2009 2:17 AM:
hicksvilianfromlodi wrote on Oct 25, 2009 2:15 AM:
Mack wrote on Oct 25, 2009 12:18 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:34 PM:
I could care less about positions, frequency or even the sex of the persons involved. I never mentioned marriage!
It's none of my business. Until thousands of people are dying mainly because of immaturity and stupidity.
---and this COSTS us money---for baby games.
Much of this MSM is supported by the Peter Pan MSM's, who are afraid of growing up. Is it an anxiety reaction to adulthood? Look at Michael Jackson--I don't know what he is/was ---but HE adored Peter Pan. Or maybe they are afraid of death---and want to see how close they can get without dying? Many cigarette smokers play that game. Is this the cigarette that give me lung cancer? or is this the cigarette? It looks like a similar dynamic---but cigarette smokers can quit, and many want to quit. Do I hate cigarette smokers? No--- I DO NOT CARE. But I will bring flowers to their funerals, and might even volunteer to carry the coffin. Those things are heavy. One more down---and many to go. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:24 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:22 PM:
Because "I" do NOT care.
Altruism lurks about in the minds of altruists.
Show me a "completely" non-altruistic bigot? Bigots still "care"---about "their own kind" (which does not exist).
There is NO such thing as "race" among Homo sapiens. How many "bigots" can say that?
I am NOT an altruist, a do-gooder, or a "fixer".
You are looking too hard for ghosts that are not there.
You altruist! Now call me a racist, bigot or any other pejorative, because I don't like ALTRUISM. boo hoo?
Lets make THAT a hate crime! "Non-altruism." It is very simple. Quid pro quo.
I am entertained by your search for proof of "bigotry".
I am very consistent about this, as are many others. Unfortunately many liberals refuse to read. Challenge?
Altrusim is the source of most political problems. Who is REALLY special in this scenario? The care giver!! ie "The government", rarely the "recipient pretext".
Still looking for the bogeyman? "
Mack wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:07 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:56 PM:
Many conservatives--I am NOT a conservative, blame many social problems on collectivism by "big government" Also many liberals tend to get lazy in their studies and accept sloganeering instead of thinking. They want to oppose the "conservatives" because they think that collectivism is an "opposing" view. They flirt with the idea of collectivism, and they don't know where to stop.
Many liberal political leaders have not been doing their homework. What we see today is a race between collectivism for common people (workers and Bourgeoise) vs colectivism for the monopolies (investment banks and insurance companies).
How did we get a progressive liberal President, a collectivist in political thought, to throw literally hundreds of billions at the very people who are subjugating us?
The problem is really not collectivism!
Sven31-- This will hit some sore spots. It may be "altruism" that causes our social problems! It is also the root of PC thought.
As a care-giver--Please think about it!
Altruism sounds "unselfish"--but it can be the most selfish. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:36 PM:
There is a lot (an awful lot) of letters and links to the point of enough already. I would say that edumacation has made her point.
I think Harvey Milk was a great american. MLK level, probably not. Did he do stuff that would now be considered bad: yes. Should he be pilloried for it? No. Different times.
Will having a day in his honor, holiday or not, cause many young boys to turn gay? I doubt it. Will most kids even get Harvey Milk day? Well, they confuse Memorial Day with Labor Day. You decide. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:26 PM:
I really wanted to find some reference of edumacation that was totally like from dick chenney (who looks like Mr. Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life") and with the exception of maybe an early link which may not have been hers I didn't find any that were heavy handed right wing super conservative based. I cross referenced the primary characters and the programs and the websites independently using different key words. They all came out legit.
Now we know a lot of posters here do try to trick us (not realizing we know the game). One example: I was told to go to some link regarding Obama's spending which would show he is the devil. This was passed off as the US Treasury Dept. Guess what? It was some conservative think tank ragging on Obama and all democrats. Poor effort by the right to decieve us.
I disagree with edumacation on a lot. Usually I don't write about it. I would love to find the bigotry here. I don't. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:17 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:44 PM:
2- You are making another unfounded assumption. Mr. Milk was quoted as saying (by his ex-companion) and employees, that he promises to never visit the "baths" if he were elected for city council. I don't know if he kept his promise, but to actually have to make an oath to NOT have sex mulitple times eash day---is usually only relegated to MSM's.
The encounters are rarely behind closed doors----the San Franciso police raided illegal public sex busineses (gay bath houses) UNTIL Harvey Milk was elected.
A popular reason for support was that the laws against public sex were no longer enforced. Look it up. The people you advocate for do not want "heteros" learning about what really goes on. Look at the high HIV infection rate ---from a virus that is not aggressive---mostly in a few sub populations. MSM's and IV drug users lead the list compared to their size in the normal population.
They are less than 3% of adults, and 50% of the infections. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:03 PM:
I don't ask what consenting adults do in their bedroom. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 5:45 PM:
They are doing more danger to themselves than all the hate-filled "heteros" and "breeders" could ever heap on them.
Milk was one of their advocates and was known as an uber promiscuous person.
Do you really want to honor that "accomplishment"? "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 5:42 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2009 5:37 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 5:35 PM:
This can be over 1,000 contacts in one year! As I said the HIV virus is a relatively difficult virus to "catch". But somehow these MSM's manage to get infected.
It's all about probablities. The more you are active the more different people you are active with, the greater the probability of catching the "bug".
Biology is not hateful, but the behavior many of "these people" have is literally causing their deaths. I think that most of them are their WORST enemies. The heterosexuals aren't responsible for the morbidity and mortality they have from communicable and potentiallty lethal STD's. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2009 5:05 PM:
As do many straight men. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2009 5:01 PM:
" She's passionate about her hatred, sven. It's irrational and promotes the kind of hatred in others that killed Andrew Shepard. In that vein, I can't look at it as informed by credible sources."
Well said. I agree. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2009 4:57 PM:
What? Where and when did you go to school where the taught you these kinds of ridiculous things? "
Gator wrote on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 PM:
Who graduated from Mc George school of Law (UOP). He said every one
is covered by the Civil Rights act of 1964. Race creed sexual orientation Etc. you know the drill. As for sexual orientation he stated that in normal behavior [I.e.] a well mannered Human being then of you were refused a rental or Dismissed from your job is grounds for legal action.. But if there is open sexuality in public or on the Job your toast…He also stated that the screaming and yelling and protesting will alienate the public and shoot your
Cause in the foot. There are lots of attorneys who will take cases like
that pro-bono. Do it on a singular issue and win you set precedence
otherwise you will go no where… "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:19 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:11 AM:
As a member of Triple Nine, I think THAT statement is amusing....Please voter if you only knew, I am having a case of the giggles. Please "Voter", how can accept your evaluation of anything. Your statements are revealing your "non-biases"! LOL "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:06 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:59 AM:
This LNS article was about a suggested observance of Harvey Milk for his work for "the cause" of liberation for GLBTIQS. It had NOTHING to do with African-Americans or Jews or the holocaust. You wanted to use us as convenient examples, but FYI I am a person with feelings and ancestors who were murdered 60 years ago. Can you enlighten me on your "liberal" philosophy? What does it REALLY mean to YOU?
---And the thought that YOU think I am inferior in ANY way---makes me laugh!
The fact that you may legally cast a vote, Mr(s) voter makes me mildly amused. "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:46 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:45 AM:
See what I mean, sven? "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:36 AM:
It really doesn't matter what you think. I am not running for political office.
I do not share your attitudes about African-Americans or Jews for obvious reasons (but they are NOT obvious to you!).
You made a crass statement that offended me, since I am a member of the class that you just described! And you pose as a liberal thinker? "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:25 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 9:25 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 9:23 AM:
I work in a field that includes a lot of gays. I lost count of how many have died and have been too many funerals and I know the pain of watching someone suffer (usually) needlessly. knowing these individuals on a professional basis gave me insight into the issues they face. Every single one of them bragged about their promiscuity. For years they are alive and then they get sick and eventually die.
I see the factor of unsafe sex and promicsuous sex as being the main features of their lifestyles---AND persona. Women do not brag about being promiscuous, why do MSMS's?
The fact that many leaders of the GLBTIQS groups refuse to encourage members of their own group to "cool it" within their own group make me wonder about their maturity.
Many MSM people claim there are lots of them hidden in the shadows of our society. Many are known only because of the correlation to the jobs they have.
I never believed that celibacy was the answer---but why not start by reducing the number contacts they have? "
sven31 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 8:00 AM:
Her posts (and I am not knocking her posts, or her religion or anything else about her) remind me of the presentations we got in school about teen age pregnancy and drugs where only the worst case scenario was presented: "You touch a joint, you'll die a heroin addict" or "you imagine a girl with her clothes off, you'll get syphilis and your brain will look like swiss cheese" sort of thing.
Her information comes from reliable and legitimate sources, which I can't say is true about many other posters. I think she has an angle (like most of us) and it's an angle I don't agree with, but it's the 1st amendment thing. I'd rather read her posts than some others which are mostly uneducated and ignorant opinions submitted by uneducated and ignorant people. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:47 AM:
.... but that is a guess and not based on anything other than a hunch. As with any subgroup, there are elements that are extreme to one pole (nymphomaniacs) and there is the opposite subgroup of the main population(prudes), even in the gay community.
We probably here about the nymphos more because it draws attention. Who cares about what the prudes do, they're prudes. "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:34 AM:
sven31 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:31 AM:
I did check the link, although only briefly, I need more time to look at it closely. Anyone suggesting a link here, I'm more interested initially by who is, or who owns the website and if it is a political website, social website, historical,or medical, etc. Several you've suggested are legitimate (non-political) and I was surprised at the information they contained.
Much of what you've posted describes some very edumacation,,
I did check the link, although only briefly, I need more time to look at it closely. Anyone suggesting a link here, I'm more interested initially by who is, or who owns the website and if it is a political website, social website, historical,or medical, etc. Several you've suggested are legitimate (non-political) and I was surprised at the information they contained.
Much of what you've posted describes some very aberrant behavior by people outside the norm. Are these odd behaviors showing at a higher rate than those behaviors of a similar population (of some other group, like teachers).
My guess is it is slightly higher for homosexuals continued "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 12:35 AM:
When one objectively observes the sometimes "dramatic" ways that the target populations behave, it can be annoying, amusing and sadly, tragic...for them. Multiple anonymous partners is never a "good thing" from an infectious disease perspective.
If you checked the link ---
You saw the long list of diseases that are prevalent ONLY in some small populations of MSM.
What about the future diseases we know nothing about? Shouldn't we plan today, to decrease the probability of infection?
Any undiscovered STD that has a long latent period, is not testable by lab methods, and has a quick and direct lethality to humans could destroy humanity. Which is more important, "lifestyle" choice or a deadly pandemic? "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 12:17 AM:
2) The reservoir of the HIV infected population has been spilling over from MSM, IV drug users, medical errors(Hemophiliacs, organ donors etc), African American women, and some local geographic "hot spots" (USA). It is true that AIDS-HIV is "just a disease", but there are many more consequences because of the affect on other Herpes Viruses that have recently been discovered which infect many of the USA adult population. No one knows what the long term effects will be.
3) Teaching responsibility, education, and maturity are positive features of any Health Education program. Unfortunately, the vocal advocates of the GLBTIQU subgroups feel that non-gays are dictating to them "how" to live. They (MSM) seem to be most at risk for new infections. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2009 12:01 AM:
1) "I believe the prevalence of this disease, in the US, has leveled off. There will be some times when it climbs, followed by a period of decline...:"
Yes, these trends occur with most cummunicable diseases, but HIV infections pose new problems:
Without going into the many reasons for this behanvior---Many MSM have fears about the HIV infection, and as a result, attempt to get infected to decrease the anxiety they have. Of course, this increases the prevalence of the disease among this subgroup. Once a certain level of infection is reached in a population, the incidence may taper off, until the population gets smaller or if there are other unknown variables.
Two problems within this framework exist: A) Many MSM who are in single or multiple party contact relationships no longer use "safe sex" techniques. This increasing their risk of a new infection. B) Many HIV infected MSM wrongly believe that HIV infection is like other non-fatal communicable diseases---usually bacterial. The problem is that many of these infected persons, will be infected with additional HIV subtypes. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:35 PM:
HIV and AIDS would eventually come to the US and THERE WAS NOTHING TO PREVENT THIS.
It most likely would have come in through the heterosexual or iv drug users instead of gay men.
Finally, from the gay men I have known, and that's not many, they are no more likely to have relations with an underage boy than a straight man would want to have sex with an underage girl.
They are not looking to recruit hetero men into their club, no more than hetero men are trying to recruit gay men into their club.
Celebrating Harvey Milk day is a long way off in the schools. Most teachers would rather ignore it and most probably will. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:27 PM:
HIV is not an easy disease to catch. I heard a "noted" speaker once say that she new a 17 yo male who "got drunk once, had sex once, and got AIDS". I would say he lied to her about everything but the AIDS.
Let's also remember that syphilis and gonoreha (sp) have been around for centuries and has periods where it is more common than other times. And both are treatable.
I also think, and this goes back a long time, that the reason it became more common beyond the gay community, was that early on, 1982-1986 or so, the religous right continued to insist that it was a disease transmitted only among gay men and because of this, public health agencies concentrated their work on gay men, while the religous right continued to blame gay men. This kept research and treatment from other suspetible groups like iv drug users, hookers, heterosexual males and females open to transmission because they were not having "gay sex". "
sven31 wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:16 PM:
I think this thing is overblown and will cool off eventually. Most teachers don't have the time or the interest to find out about Harvey Milk and certainly don't have the time in a day to shoehorn in some information about his holiday, short of doing something provided by the outside.
The facts are these: Harvey Milk was probably the first openly gay man to be elected to public office.
Harvey Milk was murdered by Dan White in Nov. of 1978 because he was gay. I remember listening to the hastily called news confrence live on the radio.
As a gay man in SF, he probably indulged in a lot of things, practices, etc. that he would never do today.
As for AIDS, it has become a treatable disease like some cancers or chronic conditions like hypertension or artheriosclerosis, or your pick.
I believe the prevalence of this disease, in the US, has leveled off. There will be some times when it climbs, followed by a period of decline. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:41 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "edumacation" to your Ignore list. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:11 PM:
(Randy Shilts also died of AIDS)
"...As homosexuals, we can’t depend on the heterosexual model….We grow up with the heterosexual model, but we don’t have to follow it. We should be developing our own life-style. There’s no reason why you can’t love more than one person at a time. You don’t have to love them all the same. You love some less, love some more – and always be honest with everybody about where you’re at. They in turn can do the same thing and it can open up a bigger sphere’….A sphere of love, always growing.” Does this explain the obsession with promiscuous GLBTIQ contact?
SVEN31: What is your view? Should we teach children that this is a good thing? Remember your oath as a teacher
to always protect children. Perhaps some liberal teachers forgot the oath. Most of Milks affairs were allegedly with very young people (not children?)? "
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:53 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:48 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 PM:
http://www.gmhc.org/health/gay/std.html
It would be nice if you could find any unintentional ommisions. I posit that the medical article above will only make you ask more questions like: What can we do to stop the epidemic?
The medical scientists are thwarted by the so-called HIV "re-infections" and HIV "Super infections" caused by a DECREASE in safe sex practices.
Do some reserach in the GLBT publications about so-called "bug parties" where uninfected people will attempt to get infected with HIV so they will feel like they "belong" to the infected group. Select any viewpoint that you agree with---the specter of this is frightening enough for some health professionals to ask for physical quarantine of those infected with HIV.
Tell us about the "bug parties"? "
sven31 wrote on Oct 23, 2009 6:27 PM:
What TandC said:"Milk lived long enough to pass only two laws in San Francisco -- a so-called "pooper scooper" ordinance requiring dog owners to pick up after their pets and another preventing employers from firing workers for being homosexual."
What TandC does not want you to read is
the remainder of the paragraph:
"But his charisma, his speeches and his entree into the heterosexual political power base of San Francisco gave thousands of gay people hope that they would someday live in a world free of persecution."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/27/MILK.TMP#ixzz0UoPp9ISu
You see, it's all about context. And dishonesty. Dishonesty of omitting the remainder of the paragraph, which I assume you read and disagree with and so you left it off. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 4:29 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:30 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:18 PM:
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 23, 2009 1:10 PM:
"Gays dancing naked is not what anyone wants to see in California."
methinks thou dost protest too much sir... "
T & C wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:14 PM:
" I quote from the San Francisco Chronicle......
"Milk lived long enough to pass only two laws in San Francisco -- a so-called "pooper scooper" ordinance requiring dog owners to pick up after their pets and another preventing employers from firing workers for being homosexual."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/27/MILK.TMP#ixzz0UF1sFoOP
And this qualifies a "GAY MAN" a "Special Day" in the year and to be taught in our schools to our children?"
Geez... anyone should be able to get a DAY in California named after them if they accomplish something as minimal as (2) things!
Geezs! "
T & C wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:10 PM:
http://cbs13.com/local/naked.barn.dance.2.1266677.html "
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:58 AM:
Many "L"-esbians (not lipstick types, and not Wesleyan LUG's) hate all humans who have a Y chromosome. They think "Womyn" are the natural state and people with "Y's are defective and should be killed. Is that inclusive? PC? What about the Rainbow crowd "War against boys"? Is that a hate crime? "
sven31 wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:52 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 AM:
"Im not for gay marriage, but i support gay rights because im for equal rights."
Oh great... You're just not for equal treatment, respect and opportunity for all Americans, right? Perhaps you also agree with Justice of the Peace, Keith Bardwell, from Louisianna. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2009 6:57 AM:
concernedmuslimcitizen wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:25 AM:
concernedmuslimcitizen wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:22 AM:
concernedmuslimcitizen wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:19 AM:
concernedmuslimcitizen wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:18 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:48 PM:
http://www.gmhc.org/health/gay/std.html
It seems that many of these rare diseases have developed their own civil rights?
Promoting the behavior of the GLBTQS-LSMFTs, only serves to support their behavior and give them "permission" to keep infecting others or to get re-infected.
Scientists are trying to find a medicine to help "these people", but guess what? Infectious Disease scientists have a NEW barrier! Lets talk about that one?
It seems that as soon as suitable vaccine candidates are developed, the scientists learn that not only are gays infected with just one HIV subtype, but there are over a dozen immunologically distinct forms of the virus. As doctors discover a new ANTI HIV drug, they soon learn it will combat only one of the virus subtypes. Many of these GLBTQZ-LSMFT infectees have a blood system that is a virtual zoo of pathogens. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:31 PM:
1) What is a "chicken hawk"?
2) What is a "twink" (many say that Harvey Milk was a twink).
3) What is a "gift giver"?
4) What is a "bug chaser"?
Now after you get the answers, ask yourself this question. Why are "these people" so "successful" at getting infected with: HIV, Hepatitis A, B and C, Syphilis, parasites, giardia, STD warts, LGV, Granuloma Inguinale, and many more listed here?
Many of these diseases are ONLY found in GLBTZX-LSMFT's. Why is that?
Why should other non-GLBTQXZ-LSMFTS, be held responsible for these rare diseases? Are these diseases "homophobic"? Then do they why pick on gays? or---are there other reasons.
Example-- Why don't plumbers decide to dine in the sewer? Maybe they know something? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:01 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 5:19 PM:
Make my horse blanket out of cashmere, and I don't care who designed it. LOL "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM:
Don't worry, Ed, dear - Omar is straight. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:28 PM:
" voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:59 PM:
" You're grasping at straws, Aimee. Are you claiming that homosexuals are unable to fire a weapon or in some way are unable to perform the duties of their job? They are not allowed to reveal their sexual identity under DADT legislation, so how can you claim dishonesty? Lame argument."
With regards to Military service, I served a s a Marine, and I would not like it one bit if "Some Gay Guy was staring at my privates" and coming on to me, IN or OUT of The shower." "
T&C:
Voter never discussed how the MOAA study I cited (down below a bit) meshes with her link to the Palm Center study, (referening the British report regarding gays in their military).
When a study says essentially the same thing that you are saying here T&C, how can one say with confidence that gays in the military would not create a morale issue? What study is more persuasive - one that comes straight from enlisted men and women or one that the British government conducts? "
voter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:08 PM:
Now we know where all the hate comes from--self-loathing. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM:
But your example is weak---because people need to eat (maybe not a gallon of chocolate ice cream everyday), but (normal) people do not require hundreds of anonymous sex partners. It is not a biological necessity for life. Gay males aren't into reproducing anyway. It is a self-limiting process.
Some day--if there is ever a scientific discovery that demonstrates that GLBTQZ-LSMFT behavior is genetic, I can see hundreds of thousands of therapeutic abortions---paid for by the government--if necessary, to help future generations. But where will we get the hairdressers and clothes designers of tomorrow? "
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:29 PM:
Billy Rubin---Just count all the womens clothing designers who are dying off. LOL
Lodian 1:33---Promoting that reasoning is WHY gays die of AIDS. Can any GLBTXQ-LSMFT person explain what social good bath houses add to society? The rainbow crowd wants the very things that kill it off. Ironic isn't it.
I recommnd that the GLBTQZ-LSMFT crowd go on a diet of "JUST SAY NO" for a few years---I bet the numbers of deaths will start dropping. But this is something they will NEVER try. It's like a bunch of rabbits in heat. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:46 PM:
How about heart disease? Cancer? Some with these diseases participated in risky behavior, right? So, in your opinion, should we all allow these people to die without care? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:42 PM:
You keep attacking gay people as if they are the only people having sex.
I never said "no sex". I was clarifying your stand on the issue, which was going in the direction of "no sex" as your solution to not contracting HIV/AIDS.
You are a very ignorant person to think that HIV/AIDS is a gay disease and to continue to speak of the life of a gay person as if they are to be blamed for all HIV/AIDS cases. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:33 PM:
Not true. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:32 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:30 PM:
I don't there would be much chance of that happening. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:14 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:03 PM:
HAVING MORE THAN ONE PARTNER is dangerous. If two people are monogamous---there is a minimal problem with spread.
But if even one partner is having hundreds of contacts per year--mostly anonymous---what do the statistics say about that? Bilogically--it is DIFFICULT to contract the disease.
With syphilis it is a about 0.31 probability per contact. With HIV it averages about 0.1-0.2. That means on average that a typical person must have contact with five to ten HIV infected people for a 100% probability of infection. This is not accounting into the type of contact which also affects the statistics.
Soltutions---You said "No sex" This is not a bad idea for "Typhoid Marys", but that is not reasonable. What about this? Monogamous safe sex. No more bath houses---which are still legal in San Franciso, no more HIV clubs, no more injectable drugs, and a decrease in sexual psychopathy which includes pederasty and paraphilias.
The HIV pandemic would have NEVER occurred, if "these people" were MONOGAMOUS. "
T & C wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:00 PM:
T & C wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:52 AM:
" Lee wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:15 PM:
" There is no reason to blame all gay people for the spread of HIV AIDS.
http://www.oprah.com/dated/oprahshow/oprahshow-20090923-sex-deadly-weapon"
Is that the "BEST ammunition you can come up with to support your position on "GAYS?"
The OPRAH SHOW?
Oh Good Lord!" "
T & C wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:52 AM:
" There is no reason to blame all gay people for the spread of HIV AIDS.
http://www.oprah.com/dated/oprahshow/oprahshow-20090923-sex-deadly-weapon"
Is that the "BEST ammunition you can come up with to support your position on "GAYS?"
The OPRAH SHOW?
Om Good Lord! "
T & C wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:47 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:43 AM:
" You're grasping at straws, Aimee. Are you claiming that homosexuals are unable to fire a weapon or in some way are unable to perform the duties of their job? They are not allowed to reveal their sexual identity under DADT legislation, so how can you claim dishonesty? Lame argument."
With regards to Military service, I served a s a Marine, and I would not like it one bit if "Some Gay Guy was staring at my privates" and coming on to me, IN or OUT of The shower." "
T & C wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:28 AM:
" I quote from the San Francisco Chronicle......
"Milk lived long enough to pass only two laws in San Francisco -- a so-called "pooper scooper" ordinance requiring dog owners to pick up after their pets and another preventing employers from firing workers for being homosexual."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/27/MILK.TMP#ixzz0UF1sFoOP
And this qualifies a "GAY MAN" a "Special Day" in the year and to be taught in our schools to our children?
Good Lord!" "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 10:00 AM:
There are people with HIV/AIDS that have done absolutely nothing wrong. So, you are all about letting people with HIV/AIDS die because you say it's a gay disease, right? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:57 AM:
edumacation: So, you admit that you want people with HIV/AIDS to just die. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:55 AM:
Really? How? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:54 AM:
---
Uh, no. This is what I said...
"Stats aside, your main point is that we should not care about people getting HIV/AIDS and just let people die. Well gee... I'll have to disagree with you."
What kind of crap are you trying to pull here, edumacation?
--- "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 AM:
We can stop the AIDS epidemic ANY TIME the GLBTQ-LSMFTXCZ people want. How? By acknowledging that promiscuity, pederasty and paraphilia behaviors are THE REASONS for the primary spread of the disease.
Also--- "just let people die". What else do you have in mind? We provide them with free medical care, hospitalization and medication and they STILL DIE. That lesson tells me STOP the behavior that causes the spread of the disease. Just Say NO. But "they" want it both way---"Peter Pan gay land" ---where no one dies and no one has responsibility---or REALITY.
BTW Tinkerbell died with her Pixie dust. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:20 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:17 AM:
I think they really have, but political correctness dictates they remain promiscuous. They NEVER speak out against promiscsuity, paraphilias or pederasty, for the GLBTQ-LSMFTCZ crowd.
Why? "political correctness". So thousands are intentionally dying just to be poltically correct. The word "gay" does not have to imply "death", but again its THEIR choice. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:09 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:03 AM:
That is the REAL rationale supporting the GAY day (H Milk). "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:18 AM:
Stats aside, your main point is that we should not care about people getting HIV/AIDS and just let people die. Well gee... I'll have to disagree with you. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:01 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2009 11:21 PM:
This is called ANTI-heterosexism.
I guess thay think Darwin won't win this one? LOL "
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2009 11:14 PM:
FACT---MOST HIV infected individuals are either GAY or IV drug users. How did that happen? duh? Irresponsible and selfish behavior. It is rare for a non-IV illegal drug user and monomagous heterosexual to get this disease. The CDC doesn't even want to test non-affiliated people unless they paln to donate blood. What does that say? Now theoretically yes, heterosexuals "can" become infected ---but it is RARE, unless they have contact with one of the GLBT-LSMFTBX crowd or IV drug users. "
deblaw wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:45 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:42 PM:
"Seriously, does anyone actually care what this crackpot says? "
Nope. I'm done with her. She's crazy. No sane person is that filled with hate. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 4:15 PM:
FYI Heterosexuals give and get HIV AIDS. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 4:14 PM:
Nope.
Edumacation is sounding more and more like the old poster "real facts" every day. And it's getting worse. real facts was known here by most bloggers to actually have some kind of mental disorder. "
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 21, 2009 3:43 PM:
Yes, and the gay agenda is out to infect your children, ruin your marriage and make it so you'll have to marry your dog.
Seriously, does anyone actually care what this crackpot says? "
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2009 3:28 PM:
From WHERE did the infection arise?
According to the CDC, this terrible epidemic ORIGINATED with patient ZERO---A promiscuous gay flight attendant who the GLBT people revere as the person who brought this "gift" (their words) to the USA.
"They" say---"It is NO one's fault that people are dying of this disease". Instead, they blame anti-GLBTGTV-LSMFT advocates who don't want to kneel at the altar of Socialism and Rainbow crowd politics.
"These people" need to take responsibilty, but will never, because psychologically, they are like narcissistic 9 year old Peter Pans who believe they can "wish away" responsibility and adulthood.
We need to start prosecuting "these people" (GLBT---HIV spreaders) for murder where it is legally warranted.
Any accessory---is to be charged similarly---hello GLBT-LSMFTB crowd.
Some states are now following this strategy.
To honor a San Francisco photo store owner and part time city councilman for being "dead" and "gay" is morally repugnant. Why don't we honor mayor Moscone instead?
The secret progressive agenda "Anti-heterosexism" is the REAL rationale for H. Milk day observance! "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 12:54 PM:
Aimee: Do you agree with this statement? "
deblaw wrote on Oct 21, 2009 10:24 AM:
http://people-press.org/report/553/same-sex-marriage "
Aimee wrote on Oct 21, 2009 10:17 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2009 10:03 AM:
1) The problem is not "homosexuals" per se.
"These people" can not spread lethal diseases if they are monogamous.
It is the FACT that they are PROMISCUOUS that causes them problems.
Male gays or MSM's as they call themselves, and their progressive liberal cheerleaders will NEVER speak out against promiscuity or pederasty.
2) I have known gays who have died of AIDS. But the choices they made is what got them infected.
The question is HOW did this happen?
The two main sources of infection are well known and have been well publicized for over twenty years.
"They" can't say they don't know. IT WAS A POOR DECISION they made that caused them their grief. Don't blame normal people.
The irony is that "they" blame everyone else. I would like to see mandatory testing of adults and quarantine of the "typhoid Marys" who are spreading the disease. this will work---but it is NOT a politically correct solution.
It seems that many MSM are on a suicide mission because of their "lifestyle". "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 9:44 AM:
(Africans) may not have evolved as far as the rest of the world." "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 9:40 AM:
Brian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 8:15 AM:
" edumacation and Brian: Your hate for gay people is all too clear. You don't have to keep on posting such hateful comments about them. Maybe it makes you feel better about yourself. "
-It doesn't make me feel good at all to have to point out that Lodian aNd perhaps some of her other followers will not join edumacation and I in speaking out against NAMBLA. "
Brian wrote on Oct 21, 2009 8:11 AM:
" Edumacation, your rants have so little connection with reality, that I've begun wondering if these are your fantasies.
-It is not a fantasy that MANY GLBT
will not speak out against NAMBLA. Evidently voter's connection with reality is seriously skewed. "
Lee wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:15 PM:
http://www.oprah.com/dated/oprahshow/oprahshow-20090923-sex-deadly-weapon "
Lee wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:01 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:56 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:47 PM:
I am trying to work towards a new mode of discussion on these fora. With that in mind, I would like offer an olive branch to you and apologize if I have offended you in the past. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:45 PM:
" Leonard: You never answered my question regarding your post referencing "Nazi Jews" and that your statement (while I am sure you were trying to be witty at the time) could be seen by others as implying (or stating) that you do not believe that there is such a thing as a conservative gay person and/or that such a person is a traitor to their "group", just as the Jewish Nazi's would have been seen as traitors.
My point was that any gay person who could embrace the conservative movement's homophobia centered agenda would have to be suffering from serious issues concerning their self worth.
I have no doubt that there are such people. It is a poorly kept secret that one such person posts on these blogs and, in his case at least, the price paid in terms of mental health and substance abuse has been heavy indeed. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:16 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:15 PM:
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 20, 2009 4:50 PM:
Our state, which has rejected equal rights for some citizens, give this small token to their cause, and people in Lodi seem to have a problem with that. "
voter wrote on Oct 20, 2009 4:27 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 20, 2009 4:24 PM:
" ....But a day for him.... i just dont know."
And though bobby asserts that he's not sure we should have a day reserved for honoring Milk, not one person reviles him for saying this (good points bobby, by the way - I didn't know much about his accomplishments). Why? Because he is an identified homosexual man and not a "homophobe". Voter, BR, Lodian and Leonard, your bias is showing. The double standard is alive and well here at LNS. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 20, 2009 4:12 PM:
I am still waiting for a response. Surely a man as knowledgeable as yourself (who asserts that I insulted 10% of our population) would not presume to suggest that there are no conservative gays? "
voter wrote on Oct 20, 2009 3:32 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:17 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 9:32 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 20, 2009 8:32 AM:
Larry---> to "Mary" ---> NO way---the kids wants to be "Steve". Oh what fun the GLBT brings to the world. So do we have a reverse GLBT crowd. Straight to gay to straight all before puberty. How is this helping our kids? They are having enough trouble with homework--- why should they be worried about the weirdness of the GLBT politicians?
If we have Harvey Milk day---we must have a Forrest Gump day---or maybe a Gomer Pyle day. "
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:15 AM:
As a heterosexual male, I have no reason for self loathing. As for the GLBT crowd, well, they have some issues
that would definately merit their self loathing. "
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:08 AM:
Are you of the variety that won't speak out against NAMBLA? "
voter wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:57 AM:
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:55 AM:
We can't help but shed some light on the issues before the fact. :) "
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:53 AM:
The upside of the GLBT crowd is that they serve an an economic stimulus to the mortuary and funeral sector of the economy.
- There's nothing like a little bit of controversy to muddle over with a cup of coffee.:) "
voter wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:51 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:46 AM:
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:03 AM:
- Because many of our beautiful transgendered young people are convinced they?ll never be loved or accepted, and because suicide is the leading cause of death among those young people. - Because if we don?t stand up, speak out, and work for justice, the next one to feel the wrath and the power of a bigoted right-wing ideology could very easily be you.
-I doubt the right wing has near any bearing
on how the vast majority of religions and cultures in the world deplore GLBT
this link claims. "
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:45 AM:
" edumacation: You just posted the same attack on gay people like 5 times in a row. Are you okay over there? "
-Whether it was 5 times in a row. It doesn't matter if he posted it 100 times in a row. Lodian would never join
him or anyone in condemning the GLBT crowd for not
speaking out agains NAMBLA. "
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:36 AM:
" Look up Harry Hay--he started NAMBLA amd was a close advisor on the GLBT crusades. He was also known as the person whio started the GLBT parades in San Francisco. FYI NAMBLA has been on the FBI list of dangerous organizations for many years. Its ironic how top government officials and their "advisors" can be so cozy with these kinds of people. This includes Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer, all of them support the GLBT crows but the GLBT crowd will NEVER speak out against NAMBLA, HAY or pederasty. Explain why NAMBLA does NOT support sanctions against child abuse. NAMBLA = child abuse---as long as the CHILD says "ok".
-Regrettably,
This post reminds us of the close ties Pelosi has with the Folsom Street Faire.
It is in her congressional district. She has even publicy spoke out in favor of the Faire. NAMBLA is well aware
of of how the Faire organizers make it easy prey for them, given children are not banned from this gathering. "
Brian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:28 AM:
to post with rationale. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 PM:
link...
http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2009/10/17/opinion/letters/ltr_sayles_091017.txt
. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:37 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:36 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:34 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:47 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:27 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:12 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:07 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM:
It is well documented that pederasty is a substantial component of the MSM lifestyle
That is like saying that rapes is a substantial part of the heterosexual lifestyle.
Stupid in other words. "
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 7:35 PM:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html "
edumacation wrote on Oct 19, 2009 7:03 PM:
In 1994, Scott Smith the life companion of Mr. Milk, succombed to AIDS.
If Mr. Milk had not been murdered, the issue of his martyrdom would probably never occurred. Instead he would have been one more of face of the tens of millions of GLBT's who have died from this dreaded disease. Natural Selection processes always determines the future of living organisms. Will certain inheritable biological traits flourish, or will they become extinct? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:43 PM:
I think Brian may have a devoted follower. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:40 PM:
I've said I haven't seen any offensive racial slurs by Brian and you've failed to supply proof on here of their existence. There's no way I am giving you my email address, so if you can post the material in an email message, surely you can post them here, slightly edited so that the word itself may not be completely visible but the meaning and intent is clear.
If Brian has said these things, I condemn that behavior. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:35 PM:
It's already happened here. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM:
1. I DID NOT equate the use of the word "mulatto" to the used of the "N" word. Period.
2. People ARE offended by the use of the word "mulatto". I will post those links again since you seem to have conveniently forgotten the words of two bi-racial men insisting they find the word insulting.
http://www.popmatters.com/features/040706-mulatto.shtml
and
http://tr.theroot.com/views/audacity-taupe
Here's a link to the actual LNS article (and "mulatto" discussion) where I pointedly SAY mulatto is not comparable to the "n" word.
Anything else? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:27 PM:
"Lodian seems unaware that opinions are not limited solely to one's personal or religious beliefs"
Aimee: Well, of course not! But I am not the one that whined. IMO, these blogs are for opinions, information, links, facts and a lot more. We can debate/argue/converse about the content all day long.... even if it's your opinion or something you say is fact. You seem to be the one that wants to limit us here. STOP IT! lol! The only thing I would like to see limited here are the personal threats, racist remarks and cuss out sessions (ie;Brian). I think that's reasonable. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:01 PM:
"It [mulatto] IS offensive to many bi-racial people..."
That is your personal "opinion", Aimee. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 3:58 PM:
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 19, 2009 2:34 PM:
I hope by the time my child goes to school, we'll have passed equal rights for all of our state citizens as well.
I don't want to have to figure out a way to explain to him how all men are created equal, except those that the majority decides they don't like.
I can't explain it, because it makes no sense. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:54 PM:
Man, you picked a bad time to go to Idaho. The winters are heinous! (but beautiful summers). "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:51 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:49 PM:
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html
I guess you're insinuating that gay conservative are traitors to the "cause" as Jewish Nazi's would have been considered traitors?
Hmmm... "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:46 PM:
I await with interest for your response. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:44 PM:
Your statement was that it was not offensive at all and it obviously is to some bi-racial individuals. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:43 PM:
http://cmrlink.org/cmrdocuments/MOAASurveyCharts-Effect080109.pdf
The MOAA (Military Officers of America)polled their members (on active duty serving the country) specifically regarding the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (DADT) law signed into law by Clinton.
The majority of repondents were against lifting the DADT requirement and believed morale would be hurt if gays were allowed to openly serve. These results contradict the British study.
Definitely both studies are food for thought in the debate.
It's worth noting that the Palm Center has a vested interest in this issue, as they champion gay rights. I don't think it removes credibility from the link, but it's useful to note. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM:
" Voter, I may be a conservative lesbian
I am confused. Is that sort of like a Jewish Nazi or more like a Black Klansman? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:30 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:26 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM:
www.mulatto.org
No, they are not offended. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:48 PM:
Hopefully you'll fair a bit better than Lodian with her statement that the word "mulatto" isn't offensive.
Unfortunately for her, the two articles I cited in opposition of that ridiculous statement, written by two very intelligent bi-racial college students on that topic, provided proof that the word is, indeed, offensive to many people of color. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:41 PM:
Stop assuming so much, it makes you look the pretentious fool. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM:
http://www.edubook.com/who-killed-martin-luther-king-jr/14007/
My point is (to agree with Bob (gasp!)) that many of our prominent historic figures either indulged in not-so-savory activities or were reputed to have done so. "
Gator wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:27 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:25 PM:
Alley.. One Shot one Kill the only thing you feel is the recoil think about it. See Ya…… "
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:14 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:12 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM:
If your central argument is that homosexuals in the military does not destroy morale and create dissent, you should post links that are directly on point to your assertion(s).
I'd really like to see studies that speak of this issue, whether positive or negative in nature. Can you provide that for us? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:56 AM:
" No Aimee, I am addressing the treatment of minority groups, who have all been traditionally denied equal rights by the straight white male majority in this country."
Then why wasn't your first thought to bring up the fact that women were not allowed to vote until 1920? I mean, after all, we've been mistreated by white males, haven't we? For the longest time we were just their property. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 AM:
" You are a typical Liberal voter. If someone doesn't agree with YOU, you go on into vicious attack mode. A-Typical Liberal. You kept begging on your hands and knees for someone to respond to your question, and were ready to attack anyone who didn't respond "Exactly how you wanted them to."
It's the fight and the kill she craves, not intellectual discussion. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:45 AM:
No problem. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 AM:
I also find Voter's rude attitude towards people unsettling, hence I was moved to comment that her obviously-loaded questions "do you agree with the denial of civil rights to ALL persons" was ridiculous and her rude proclamation that people are cowards because they fail to answer her question, as imperiously stated.
You don't want a discussion, you want a fight. "
Gator wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 AM:
Combined. The highest school- drop out rate. We have given our manufacturing industry
to foreign Countries. We are in debt to China, Japan and Korea up to our A**..California
is in basic financial ruin. People don’t want to fix major problems themselves they want
the government involved.. Last month 980,000 homes received some form of foreclosure
notice. I have driven around Lodi the last couple of days and am amazed by the amount of closings. The one bright spot was the AMD Sweetener plant. Other than that you have
problems.. So Voter I can’t argue with a box of rocks so if you like being the square peg
have a ball. I’m going back to Idaho where we don’t and won’t have that marriage
problem… "
Leonard wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 AM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 AM:
Why is it that you continue to insist that people MUST espouse their personal beliefs to have a conversation?
You may do whatever you please. In my opinion, however, conversing with an individual who purposefully conceals their personal beliefs, however inadequately, would be a waste of time.
Perhaps we should leave it at that. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:28 AM:
I love it how you are so pretentious that you feel you can speak for a whole community, even homosexual persons that are also conservatives and disagree with many of your ideas. Did YOU take a poll as to whether anything I've posted is offensive to 10% of the population? Oh, I see, since you find it offensive, then surely everyone else must too.
Nice. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 AM:
First of all, I didn't "run" off; I do have a life and I am certainly NOT going to spend it all blogging on here, especially on the weekend. Second, legally, you have very, very little to justify your argument that gays are being denied civil rights. I am referring to the status of law as it currently exists (right to join military not civil right, being "fired" from the military because of homosexual status not a violation of recognized civil right..etc.) The only civil right you have mentioned so far (from what I have read) is marriage. The US Supreme Court has recognized that marriage is a right.
Third, unless you'd like me to start referencing you in a negative manner by labeling you, stop calling me homophobic. It's untrue and it weakens your argument because it appears as if you have nothing pertinent to add, so you resort to calling names, much like our own BR, who excells in this area. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 AM:
Why is it that you continue to insist that people MUST espouse their personal beliefs to have a conversation? If people choose to remain silent (or express their personal views, either way) then so be it.
There are quite a few people on here that take delight in bashing other people for their thoughts (on BOTH sides of the argument). I don't think that is productive or helpful to the conversation. "
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:49 AM:
Pat Maple wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:40 AM:
Why no holiday for a military man...other than the lumped one?
I have a question too...prior to the 70's the gay men and women hated each other...until they combined political forces to get what they want. Why? "
voter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:38 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:24 PM:
"As I said billie it’s a privilege not a right."
If that's the way you want to look at it then fine... All law abiding American adults should be shown the same respect in pursuing this "privilege". "
bobbyg wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:10 PM:
But a day for him.... i just dont know. "
bobbyg wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:04 PM:
So think of these points as you think back those 30+ years, long before there was a gay pride festival or anything even close to it.
Also Milk was also intrical to the defeat of the Ballot Prop that would have made it illegal to be a teacher and be gay. "
rantraves wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:41 PM:
bobbyg wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:37 PM:
" The argument has been made... It causes dissent in the ranks"
The problem with this statement is that it is only an argument. If you look at the Militaries (most other countries including Isreal) they have not had any problems with gays and lesbians in their ranks. So when you do research the answer you get is that your arguement has no validity because it is not based on any kind of fact. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:24 PM:
Why not just relax and admit it - you'll look less ignorant than trying to salvage this latest thing you've conjured up.
Either citizens are entitled to equal treatment under the law or they aren't. You don't seem to like the sound of you and yours living under the same circumstances you want to stick to others and you're too involved in your lie now to admit it. "
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 9:41 PM:
a square peg on a round peg world….There are thousands of adults that have the Brain power of a 6 year old. On Harding way and San Joaquin there is a school full of these
children. Go volunteer you might learn something… "
voter wrote on Oct 18, 2009 6:44 PM:
Who else do you want to deny? Make a list. "
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 6:33 PM:
Nothing else… How soon will you register at Cal State Hayward for your pre Law???as of now your argument hasn’t a legal leg to stand on…Read the damn act and you will
see every thing you’re whining about can be handled legally. Then there are those that
just want to stir the S*** and care nothing about the issue at hand…Lookie, lookie at
me lookie at me ain;t I wounderful… "
sam wrote on Oct 18, 2009 5:57 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 18, 2009 4:43 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 4:27 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2009 3:07 PM:
"In many professions they do. In many college dormitories, they do. They respect each other's space, share the same facilities, and offer each other privacy. This is what mature adults to."
Great points, voter. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2009 2:53 PM:
"There was a time when it was believed that women and blacks should not serve in the military, it being detrimental to morale and somehow unsafe. Did you support that train of thought too?"
--------------------------
Did Aimee ever answer this question? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2009 2:52 PM:
Are you also unaware that most of what you post here is just your "opinion"?
Just curious. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 18, 2009 1:53 PM:
You seem to be saying you didn't have the right to get married, nor do your kids have the right to marry and neither do your grandkids.
I know you aren't making that argument, are you? "
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 12:14 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 12:12 PM:
And innuendo.. Get a grip and work through the legal system. But remember Marriage
Is not a civil right no matter what you say? It’s not a right for anyone…Voter spend the
Two hundred and five and buy the book and start to know what your talking about. Better yet go To Cal State Hayward and study Law then you will know for sure.. Go nights if you have to… Call it a sacrifice for your cause… "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:59 AM:
Why is it a ridiculous question? Do you or do you not?
Further from Aimee, "...[snip]...Your question is not a question for debate, it's a trap because either way the question is answered, you're able to feel superior in your response."
Trap? Well, of course it is; because it spotlights your bigotry and closes a few more of the holes in your excuses. Your disgust is not with Voter's presumed feelings of superiority, it is digust with your own frustrating inability to further justify your hatred - and knowing Voter knows this. "
voter wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:20 AM:
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:14 AM:
Every thing you have been complaining about except “Marriage” which is not considered a
Civil right for anyone is covered. Sorry but facts are facts. There are hundreds of Civil rights
Attorneys who would take any of these cases pro bono. The louder you scream, the more you
Make fools of yourself the further you get from your objective. Milk brings back visions of the
Castro and the Folsom street fair. The public has little tolerance for trash like that. Its time
To wise up and work with the system… "
Gator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:07 AM:
Up on the act it’s self and the coverage it provides. .Freedom and equality: discrimination
And the supreme Court by Kermit Hall.. $205.00 Barnes and Noble "
OTH wrote on Oct 17, 2009 11:31 PM:
Regarding your post that that MLK was "alledgedly" communist, are you old enough to remember the 40's and early 50's when a number of people were accused of "alledgly" being communist? They were vilified, ostracisized, couldn't find a job, lost careers, all because they were "alledgdly" communist. So please before you start throwing that accusation around about anyone, provide some proof. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 9:53 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:31 PM:
It up FYI.. If the gays had anywhere near 40-48 % they would get what they are after. They don’t. As I said they were helped by young first time voters. The other item was
The court upheld the election.. It well could end up at the 9th circuit court of appeals…
A court overturned more times than any other circuit court in the country. A bastion
of legal fairness where Judge Stephen Reinhardt is married to Ramona Ripston, Executive Director, ACLU of Southern California.. Something is really wrong with that picture….You disregard the civil union aspect to jump and down screaming at the top of your lungs Look at
me , Look at me I’m just like you… I say Horse C***!!! Voter my sources are ABC News,
NBC some times Never fox and the good old web…Look hard you can find about the percentage
Of minority voting on prop 8 and the corresponding opinions.. not in your favor Voter not
Even close… "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:45 PM:
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:49 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:37 PM:
http://tinyurl.com/yfw65ys
Click on the top item. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:33 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:28 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:27 PM:
First you want to talk about issues solely related to the federal realm (gays in the military) then you assert that we are to talk about only California issues. Would you make up your mind? The two areas of law are completely different! "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:26 PM:
I am sure we would all be interested in seeing them. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:25 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:24 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:24 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:23 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:21 PM:
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:20 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:19 PM:
" I just love it that very few on here can debate and discuss anything without wanting to throw out insults at others.
A fascinating statement from a woman who casually insults as much as 10% of the American population without a second thought. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:18 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:17 PM:
Just because you say I am a homophobe does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it
Of course voter saying that you are a homophobe does make you a homophobe.
Voter is just observing the preexisting reality that is obvious to all of us. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:16 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:14 PM:
" Leonard: I am not interested in a discussion of my personal beliefs. Period. It's unproductive and immaterial.
What an absurd statement!
If you are not here to discuss your personal beliefs, what on Earth are you here for? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:14 PM:
What does it provide to the discussion if one person can be labeled in one manner and another person in another manner?
Enlighten us with your brilliance and anwer the question. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:12 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:11 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:10 PM:
Just because you say I am a homophobe does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:09 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:08 PM:
Sad. Do you see me trying to label you voter in a negative manner? Can we show some maturity here or is that too much to ask? Why is it so important that you label people? Is this process central to your ability to have a discussion voter? It appears so. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:08 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:05 PM:
The argument has been made, whether you agree with it or not, that the status of homosexual inhibits the orderly operation of a military complex. It causes dissent in the ranks with the straight women/men who do not want to be in such close quarters with a homosexual woman/man (such as showering or being on a boat for months at a time). The military can make a cogent and logical argument that the "employee" will not be fit for the job duties required of him/ her. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:01 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:59 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:56 PM:
What you refer to is discrimination in the firing, not the right to join. Let's have a semi-quick discussion of labor law, shall we?
First of all, an employer can LEGALLY fire an employee IF the employee misrepresents him or herself on their application as being fit for the job at hand. The courts have routinely held that if an employee reports that he or she can lift 50 pounds, and the ability to do so is a requirement of the job, and it turns out that the employee cannot lift 50 pounds and hid this, the employer is justified in firing that employee. There is no discrimination, no civil rights violation that can be claimed here since the reason for the firing is that the employee is unable to fufill the duties required by the job. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:50 PM:
Let's address the issue of military service. It's discrimination to fire someone based on sexual orientation alone. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:47 PM:
Voter, you really need some new material. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:47 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:46 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:45 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:44 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:43 PM:
" . . . I would guess it would
be some where around twenty percent of Gays who even want this marriage law"
Based on what reality? You've taken a poll of every gay in America and find that the majority do not want equal rights? You're making things up to justify your own bigotry. You're old enough to remember Southerners saying similar things about blacks--"Just leave the 'coloreds' alone. They dont' want their kids in our schools." You're delusional. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:42 PM:
The right to adopt children is NOT a civil right.
The right to join the military is NOT a civil right.
There are laws BOTH federal and State that PROHIBIT discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Yes, that's right, it is ILLEGAL.
Pray continue with a list of CIVIL RIGHTS. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:38 PM:
Perhaps the problem lies with Milk's activies in that they were associated with oft-times labeled "deviant" sexual proclivities (whether fairly associated or not). Had he been straight and enjoyed certain "deviant" but heterosexual activities, would the result be the same? Would the outcry be as great? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:38 PM:
Secondly, what multiple civil rights are you speaking of? Gay people are not forced to use separate bathroom, restaraunts, forced to sit at a different counter are they? You're speaking of rights solely tied to the right to marry.
Given voter's response to this question, it is clear that you have not thought this issue through thoroughly.
Perhaps you will reconsider your position in light of these new facts that you, apparently, were unaware of. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:36 PM:
" Voter, was calling me ignorant on the life and times of Harvey Milk supposed to be an insult? LOL! Unlike you, I try not to fill my mind up with insignificant crap like that. That would be a positive sign of proper cognitive prioritization."
Stupid and proud of it. Does that win points with your neighbors out there in Galt? LOL
Cog continues:
"Obama is just using him lie he used Rev. Wright. It's a way to secure more votes fot the narcissist. "
It was the Republican, Arnold Schwartzenegger, who signed this into law. What does it have to do with Obama? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:35 PM:
We are here to discuss whether or not Harvey Milk should be honored. Some believe he shouldn't be because he was a gay man. Others believe that he was reprehensible as a person, apart from being gay, and that disqualifies him from the honor bestowed upon him by GAS.
Which do you believe? "
Gator wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:34 PM:
wouldn’t touch marriage with a ten foot pole. Your out of touch, I would guess it would
be some where around twenty percent of Gays who even want this marriage law…It’s
called a very vocal minority and the louder they whine the more press they get. If the
coverage was to stop the would disappear like 3 day old fish or yesterdays news paper.A friend of mine who was a office manager for one of the biggest phone companies was
living with his partner of 20 years said he wished the S*** disturbers would just go away.
Stan was white his partner was black. Civil unions with equal benefits fine. Marriage sure
When hell freezes over.. When the whites become the minority in California the law will
never pass, Yawll best get busy…. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:33 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:29 PM:
Secondly, what multiple civil rights are you speaking of? Gay people are not forced to use separate bathroom, restaraunts, forced to sit at a different counter are they? You're speaking of rights solely tied to the right to marry. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:24 PM:
" Pat Maple wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:12 PM:
When will the women of this nation stand up and demand a holiday for a woman? Certainly they can find SOMEONE to rally around.
I can't tell you how much it pains me to agree with Pat Maple. "
Leonard, I rarely find a point where we disagree, but this is one. Martin Luther King Day is a holiday for ALL of us, not just blacks. I admire the man and respect his legacy a great deal--he makes me proud to be an American. It's silly to think of holidays as being "for" one minority group or another. If a woman were so honored with a holiday (and there are plenty of worthy candidates) it would not be a "women's holiday." "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:23 PM:
We are here to discuss whether or not Harvey Milk should be honored. Some believe he shouldn't be because he was a gay man. Others believe that he was reprehensible as a person, apart from being gay, and that disqualifies him from the honor bestowed upon him by GAS. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:21 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:20 PM:
When will the women of this nation stand up and demand a holiday for a woman? Certainly they can find SOMEONE to rally around.
I can't tell you how much it pains me to agree with Pat Maple. "
Pat Maple wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:12 PM:
For all of you non-believers and Constitutional crankers...isn't this just another form of worship...you know the stuff you want to keep separated? "
T & C wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:10 PM:
"Milk lived long enough to pass only two laws in San Francisco -- a so-called "pooper scooper" ordinance requiring dog owners to pick up after their pets and another preventing employers from firing workers for being homosexual."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/27/MILK.TMP#ixzz0UF1sFoOP
And this qualifies a "GAY MAN" a "Special Day" in the year and to be taught in our schools to our children?
Good Lord! "
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:05 PM:
First of all, that's an obviously loaded question and you know it. If the person says "Why yes voter, I do think all people should be afforded civil rights" then you call them hypocrites because they don't believe that marriage should be extended to gay people. If they say, "No, I do not believe that people should be afforded civil rights" then they're called neanderthals, bigots (insert appropriate insult here) and most likely someone will bring up the race argument ("So did you think that rights for African-Americans were misplaced too"?). Such a response, in the negative, would be a ridiculous response.
Your question is not a question for debate, it's a trap because either way the question is answered, you're able to feel superior in your response.
Let's frame the issue with a more narrowly-drawn question, shall we? Do people believe that the right of marriage with a person of the same-sex should be legalized? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:02 PM:
If you do not, in fact, share Randy Thomasson's religion of prejudice, I do wish to give you the opportunity to clarify.
-Leonard "
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:54 PM:
" What's wrong Leonard? You losing your edge?
Nope.
Why? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:53 PM:
" Leonard: The ONLY way it would matter just WHERE I got the information from is if the supposed militant homophobe you speak of distorted and mis-quoted material from the book in question. If this material is not mistquoted nor distorted, I challenge you to provide a reason why it matters WHO quoted it and WHAT site it came from.
Aimee, my objection is as follows. By not attributing the work you were citing you gave the impression that you had read the books and thus were someone with an actual familiarity with the events and circumstances surrounding the man's life, instead of simply being a hateful bigot who surfs homophobe websites.
I thought that was an important distinction that ought to be made. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:52 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:46 PM:
If I quoted an opinion or an observation from someone of this calibre (who was extremely opposed to homosexuality), I could understand one's concern over where and who it came from. As it is, Randy Shilts was also considered a pioneer in the gay community and his book regarding Milk was a favorable portrait.
Your turn. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 3:18 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 17, 2009 2:24 PM:
" If it were'nt for Dan White, Harvey Milk would just be another gay supervisor, in a long list of gay supervisors from San Francisco, that no one would have ever heard of outside the city limits. Yawn. being a gay rights activist in san francisco is like being an African American activist in Harlem. You can't swing a dead cat..... "
Well, he would be the first in a long list but I think your point is a fair one.
There has to be a certain threshold of significance for a person to have their own holiday and I simply don't think Milk has that significance. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:19 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:13 PM:
Armies of Islam. As I have stated before a Lt.Col F-15 pilot highly decorated for
actions in Iraq Stationed at Mountain Home AFB in Idaho is to be bounced out right about Now. repeating my self one more time I don’t believe the Marine Grunts whose Lives he Saved would have given a flying F*** if they found out he was Gay. If they were in the same fix do you suppose they would request a straight pilot? No way in hell…. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 11:44 AM:
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 11:43 AM:
lodivice wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:30 AM:
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:29 AM:
Gator wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:28 AM:
was defeated by people of color [i.e.] Latinos , Blacks and Arabic.. It was kept close by
young white voters. Those days are numbered as California whites become a minority.
Soon the shoe will be on the other foot. Less than five years 51/49 % that should prove
To be very interesting…. "
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2009 9:46 AM:
You know nothing of Harvey Milk's contribution to the civil rights movement. Not much about any history at all, for that matter. Ignorant and proud of it. Yay, Cog. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2009 9:31 AM:
Brian wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:32 AM:
" Over a hundred posts, and still none of the homophobes will answer my question.
Dishonest cowards. "
-Advancing this rationale, one could conclude that voter thinks the majority of Americans are dishonest cowards. "
Brian wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:01 AM:
" ordinarycitizen wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:29 PM:
But isn't that exactly what the liberal homosexuals are themselves? Intolerant to any other belief or lifestyle other than their own?
Indeed! Witness the massive homosexual campaign to make straight marriage illegal. "
-And you won't Leonard. Straight marriage, unlike gay marriage, is moral.
Even many gays don't endorse gay marriage because homosexual sex is still immoral after they marry. "
bobbyg wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:08 PM:
1) Dont confuse Conservatism and Theocrasism they are not the same. In the past 10-14 years the Theocrats tried to and seem to have taken over the Republican Party and are now calling themselves conservatives.
2) AIDS is a disease of all people, it is not a gay disease. The fastest growing populations of HIV infections are heterosexual people over 65 (including nursing homes) and those 14-23. Which I believe goes to show that abstinenceteachings arent working to prevent STD's
3) some people keep mentioning the "Quilt" as if they think that only gay people have a piece of the quilt. Again its a disease of all sexualities and there are many straight people whose families have made a section of the quilt for their loved one who died a painful and horrific death.
Many people have questionable past. Some people question age of consent, Hugh Heffner is much older and dates barely legal young women, but you talk about Milk dating younger men. Is there a double standard? Where was the allege incident? was it legal there? Think before you speak, says this Gay Republican "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:34 PM:
But isn't that exactly what the liberal homosexuals are themselves? Intolerant to any other belief or lifestyle other than their own?
Indeed! Witness the massive homosexual campaign to make straight marriage illegal. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:32 PM:
A black person couldn't even talk to a white person.
They couldn't marry a white person either.
Oh! Wait, that is kind of like..... "
ordinarycitizen wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:29 PM:
ordinarycitizen wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:50 PM:
In Africa wearing protection was scoffed at and still is. Aids ran wild in the San Francisco Gay community till they began to practice safe sex. They saw the light and the
Incidence of aids slowed. You can’t stop it all as there a lot of stupid people out there.
As for the Military, no problem. We have a highly decorated F-15 pilot whose about to be tossed out because he’s gay. I don’t think those Marine grunts whose lives he saved gave a S**t that he was gay…Marriage, that will never have my support .Funny thing
Voter I know that its support is not anywhere near 100% among gays not even close. They died by the hundreds Voter just remember the Quilt of names.. Do you even know about the quilt???? "
tosh conn wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:50 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:44 PM:
I wonder if the schools will allow the parents of children to view the lesson plans prior to them being taught to them. "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:32 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:43 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:42 PM:
'Your argument is lame.'
It wasn't an argument. It was my opinion and MY belief system. You are a typical Liberal. If someone doesn't agree with YOU, you go on into vicious attack mode. A-Typical Liberal. You kept begging on your hands and knees for someone to respond to your question, and were ready to attack anyone who didn't respond exactly how you wanted them to. Pathetic liberal. "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:39 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:37 PM:
Sinks in. Not one of my post mentioned civil rights or denial of them, that is against the
Law. Lets take an other example a person drinks themselves to death, do I have sympathy
“NO” same goes for a straight person who ODS’s on Heroin, Cry me a river… Their choice to bad so sad. Life is a choice make the right ones you survive.. Make the wrong ones your life will be a living hell. Some Just shorter than others.. That doesn’t do it for
you TS… "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:37 PM:
Your argument is lame. Lots of straight people make crap parents and you know it. "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:30 PM:
Once again, this is just my opinion, which I do share with many others. I hope I didn't offend the gays demanding answers to their questions here. "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:17 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:16 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:15 PM:
" They say the worst homophobes are often closeted homosexuals themselves."
We've certainly seen ample evidence of that right here on this website. As for the rest? Sexually repressed and unfulfilled at the very least. Pretty sad when you think about it.
Guys, stop obsessing about what other adults are doing behind closed doors. It's adolescent. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:55 PM:
With that in mind, this blog seems to suggest that a plucky entrepreneur could make a pretty penny by opening a gay bar in Lodi. "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:26 PM:
Dishonest cowards. "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:22 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:18 PM:
As I read on I see that I was mistaken. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:18 PM:
" Hi Leonard!
I must agree with you on this one.
A SMALL statue in San Francisco would have been enough! But the gay movement I believe will demand a 20 foot statue in Washington D.C.! "
Congratulations T&C. You can disagree with the concept without launching yourself into an orgasm of hatred, prejudice and toxic bile. "
Gator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:18 PM:
fact there were plenty of needle jockeys in the community. The Genie was out of the
bottle… I had two friends who I worked with and both lost young men to aids. Both
lived in the Castro. It very nearly destroyed their parents…It’s to bad Milk died the
way he did, no one deserves that. But that is where My sympathy ends… "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:15 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:11 PM:
Scrutiny wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:06 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:03 PM:
Gator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:02 PM:
has any acknowledgement coming. Then that’s just me. Maybe I’m just cranky because
I have 3 days left in Lodi…. "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:02 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:59 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:59 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:51 PM:
What are you trying to imply? That all homosexuals have AIDS and are purposefully spreading it? Or that ONLY homosexuals have AIDS? What sort of ignorant bigotry are we dealing with here?
And you still won't answer my question!
(We all know that if you answer it honestly, you'll be confirming your bigotry.) "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:46 PM:
This latest wave of legislation shifts the focus from earlier laws that protected the civil liberties of HIV-infected people to laws that seek to identify, notify and in some cases punish people who intentionally place others at risk of contracting the virus. At least 29 states now make it a crime to knowingly transmit or expose others to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, with a third of those states enacting laws within the last two years. This year alone, 16 state legislatures, including New York, introduced such bills."
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/seaids/seaaids_53.html "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:43 PM:
" Still, not a single one of the homophobes/bigots will answer the question I posted this morning: Are you opposed to affording equal rights to all law abiding citizens? "
For your information... "It is illegal in many cities if not States to "Knowingly infect someone with Aides! That doesn't sound very "Law Abiding to me"! "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:40 PM:
" Aimee, in the interest of disclosure, don't you think you should mention that you are cutting and pasting this stuff from Randy Thomasson's militantly homophobic website?
Oh I just love the "Militant website slant", lol! The truth hurts doesn't it? "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:39 PM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:38 PM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:35 PM:
My sympathies! "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:31 PM:
I must agree with you on this one.
A SMALL statue in San Francisco would have been enough! But the gay movement I believe will demand a 20 foot statue in Washington D.C.! "
dogs4you wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:29 PM:
Hey L, if this Milk joke goes through, how`s the weather in Austin this time of year. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:25 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:23 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:20 PM:
'There's no reason why you can't love more than one person at a time.'
Is that going to be part of the lesson plan on Harvey Milk Day? That's a pretty good way to spread diseases like AIDS, isn't it?
Yeah, lets celebrate this guy. I'm sure we couldn't find any other fine Americans to give a day to, huh? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:17 PM:
I mean, just to let people know where your mind is on this issue? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:03 PM:
That we're obviously much more advanced than they are. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:00 PM:
"As homosexuals, we can't depend on the heterosexual model...We grow up with the heterosexual model, but we don't have to follow it. We should be developing our own life-style. There's no reason why you can't love more than one person at a time. You don't have to love them all the same. You love some less, love some more -- and always be honest with everybody about where you're at. They in turn can do the same thing and it can open up a bigger sphere." (pages 237-238) "
Aimee wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:59 PM:
Randy Shilts, a homosexual San Francisco Chronicle reporter, wrote a favorable and sordid biography of Milk in "The Mayor of Castro Street." The 1982 book detailed Milk's sexual relationships with a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and other young men:
"...sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure...At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." (pages 30-31)
"It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life." (page 24) "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:39 PM:
" Even Rome, with all their foibles and approval of some reprhensible things (such as sex with children), did not embrace the idea of gay couples marrying and having children.
They didn't abolish slavery, either.
Your point? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:38 PM:
Ah, but then we're so much more advanced than they were, aren't we? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:35 PM:
" If Milk day comes to pass then how about a Ted Bundy day?
Gator, that is simply an ugly remark. Normally you are a very funny guy but apparently today you are off your feed in a very unfortunate way.
:( "
Gator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:30 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:26 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:25 PM:
" OOOooo....Leonard....Knowing Harvey's biography, I dont think a statue would be a good idea....Unlike a Civil War General, he wouldn't be mounted on a horse. "
I suppose the same could be said about Benjamin Franklin and yet I have seen many Franklin statues and, indeed, his image even appears on currency. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:16 PM:
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:54 PM:
First of all, you're generalizing. Like if I said, "It is obvious Christians are tired old bats clinging to their medieval ideas."
I mean, it wouldn't be fair for me to say that description applied to all of them. Just the ones I seem to run across.
Second, why should anyone be tolerant of bigotry and discrimination? "
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:41 PM:
Protected? From what?
Is the author inferring that there would be a penalty of some sort if a teacher decided to recognize the day?
Isn't the state encouraging teachers to do just that? "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:35 PM:
Maybe a statue somewhere might be more suitable. "
Leonard wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:32 PM:
" I am sure that the liberals wouldn't want a 'Rush Limbaugh day' in the schools.
A day honoring gluttony? "
LodiFreeThinker wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:29 PM:
"It's funny how liberals believe in freedom of speech until they don't agree with you, then they use words like, "ignorant". "
If you make statements indicating your ignorance, people will call you ignorant. It has nothing to do with free speech. "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:29 PM:
The great thing about our country is that we can all agree to disagree. "
barelykim wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:15 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 3:38 PM:
I mean if we are going to let public schools teach our children about homosexuality, conservatism shouldn't be a problem, should it? "
jnds wrote on Oct 16, 2009 3:36 PM:
jnds wrote on Oct 16, 2009 3:28 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 3:19 PM:
gray cloud wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:45 PM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:44 PM:
Scrutiny wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:44 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:31 PM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM:
NOT! "
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:14 PM:
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:13 PM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 2:00 PM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:59 PM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:51 PM:
In my opinion, gay is a perversion.
libs can talk and talk, but, will never change my point of view.
Because I have morals I am ignorant? I don't think so... and I won't sit stand by and have it forced down my throat or my childs... "
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:07 PM:
iambic grape stomp: T & C is ignorant on many topics. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:05 PM:
And the problem is...??? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM:
Well said, Voter! "
LodiReaderFromStockton wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:23 PM:
LodiReaderFromStockton wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:09 PM:
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:09 PM:
max stanfield wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:07 PM:
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:06 PM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:03 PM:
Your statement is just as flawed.. Cancer is not a contagious disease, AIDS is and has been spread throughout the US by the gays and to the hetrosexauls... "
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:43 AM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:42 AM:
This gives parents no option. "
jeff wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:13 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:11 AM:
The Gay agenda nationwide is to Force the Government to make "MILK DAY" a "PAID HOLIDAY" so they can all have the day off to party!
How sad! "
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:08 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 AM:
"They are denied more than a thousand federal protections that marriage conveys."
Take all the time in the world voter... what are these 1,000 things that gays are not allowed to do under federal law?"
Fact:
"The first recorded case of this new disease in America was in March 1980. "Nick," a young gay man living on Fire Island, New York, went to see his doctor and complained of a strange illness."
http://www.web-articles.info/e/a/title/Gay-people-and-AIDS/ "
iambic grape stomp wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:07 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:02 AM:
I would be ashamed if I was "Forced to bunk with, and use SHOWER facilities with a "Gawking Gay man"! But Obama and Arnold have a plan and many do not like it, still it is being forced down our throats! Leave the children out of the GAY & Lesbian picture! They have enough Hormonal challenges to cope with , without being brainwashed into thinking "GAY IS COOL in SCHOOL"! "
Scrutiny wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:59 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:56 AM:
"Teachers will be encouraged to conduct exercises recalling Milk's life and contributions to the state."
MILK was a homosexual, period! Exactly what "Exercises are students supposed to be encouraged to do?" "
Scrutiny wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:56 AM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:53 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:51 AM:
If you are so for rights voter than think of my rights as a parent to educate my child about homosexuality.
I have no rights here about opting out we are being forced to learn about a deviant character of society and homosexuality. " "
Neo wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:25 AM:
Gator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:24 AM:
and more like Ancient Rome.No doubt it
will end up the same way... "
deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:18 AM:
" And please tell me how homosexuality "destroys families."
Voter, this is kind of ironic.. Gays can't have families.. so in a sense, families will be eliminated in the future! "
deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:13 AM:
Why not a Mosconi day?
This is disgusting.... "
tosh conn wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:09 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:58 AM:
" It destroys families by getting married, then deciding or knowing they are gay. Then the children are the victims with no intact family."
Then you are you opposed to divorce for straight couples? "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 AM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:52 AM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:27 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:26 AM:
kidsalami wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:20 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:08 AM:
" Please remember the point though this isn't about gays this about Harvey Milk.
He is not the type of person we should celebrate. "
Many people still feel this way about Martin Luther King. It's bigotry, plain and simple. Please post a source for your claims regarding Harvey Milk. "
barelykim wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:05 AM:
hockeymommy wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:48 AM:
He is not the type of person we should celebrate. "
hockeymommy wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:47 AM:
Putting Harvey Milk on the same level as Susan B Anthony or Martin Luther King is a terrible injustice. Did Susan B or Martin Luther have sexual relations with underaged children, lie to get ahead, support cults, or advocate multiple sexual partners? This is not about the movemenet this is about Harvey Milk and the unscrupulous character he was.
More importantly this is about parental rights. Isn't it my right/job as a parent to discuss homosexuality with my children and to determine when the best time for such a discussion to exsist. You don't need to worry about being treated unequally by my five year old daughter. The equality discussion I agree is an important one, however should be taking place at higher grade levels, and with parental permission. The same type of permission that is required for our children to take sex ed classes.
If you are so for rights voter than think of my rights as a parent to educate my child about homosexuality.
I have no rights here about opting out we are being forced to learn about a deviant character of society and homosexuality. "
voter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:25 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:24 AM:
T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:23 AM:
I hope when they expose the topic of "Gay lifestyle" with children in class that they also teach the risks of Aids and the Gay community!
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?we_cat=4&art_id=50106&sid=14705493&con_type=1&d_str=20070730 "
Neo wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:03 AM:
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