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Writer responds to Mr. Shirk and Mr. Cator
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:07 AM PDT
I would like to respond to the letter of Aug. 31, from Mr. Cliff Shirk.
If you think government is meddling in health care and you're against it, then why didn't you refuse to have government meddling in your education at the University of Arizona provided by the G.I. Bill? You had no problem with the taxpayers paying for your education.
It's immoral for the wealthiest nation in the world to have 40 million Americans who can't afford health care. It's immoral that bean counters of HMOs and insurance firms can deny a claim, or if you get sick corporate insurance firms can drop you.
Americans don't need health insurance; Americans need health care. Just what use do we have for these corporate insurances? What do these insurance firms do but raise the cost of our health care? Reform health care now.
And in response to Mr. Cator's letter of Sept. 1, I would like to say that Barry Goldwater never met George W. Bush or Dick Cheney. These two were the very biggest liars of all time. Cator forgot there were no weapons of mass destruction. And the lies got Americans killed in a war we had no business getting into.
President Obama, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are very fine leaders who are turning this Bush/Cheney recession around. The stimulus is beginning to work.
Cator and his fellow conservatives have hated American social programs since President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Social Security into law and Cator's conservative party voted against Medicare when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed it into law. I guess they would be against the reform of health care. It's for the people, not corporate fat cats.
The health care reform bill is about getting more Americans into the system and lowering the cost of the costliest health care system in the world.
After President Obama passes health care reform this year, he will save the sovereignty of Social Security next year, which Bush tried to give away to Wall Street; to people like Ken Lay of Enron and Bernard Madoff, who is now in jail.
Arne Aasen
Lodi
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Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2009 1:24 PM:
rantraves wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:52 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:25 AM:
Awwww, coming from you Stan, that means......nothing. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:33 PM:
rantraves wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:22 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:12 PM:
rantraves wrote on Oct 18, 2009 9:38 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:44 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:01 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 1:03 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:27 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:25 PM:
An average of 52% approval according to your link. Wow! Now that is something to brag about. You and your liberal buddies talk and act as if his approval is 70 or 80 percent. He is 3 percentage points away from being under 50% approval. He is not as loved as you think. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:32 AM:
You should have the Faux News brainwashing chip implanted in your head. At least then there will be something in there. Pathetic. "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:17 AM:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
Anyway, Bob, it's time for you to get out of bed because Lodian has breakfast ready downstairs in the kitchen. "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:09 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:01 PM:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:10 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:10 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2009 3:22 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 15, 2009 3:06 PM:
"He has a great approval rating and it's only getting better."
Tip: Google is a great tool. "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 15, 2009 3:01 PM:
"Obama has only begun to do a lot of good in this country..."
Could you actually let us in on one thing he has done good?
Obama's approval rating has done nothing but steadily decline since the 1st day in office.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:48 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:23 PM:
In my opinion, (because I don't have statistical facts for you), most people on these blogs give their opinions about alot of different issues. Why don't you call them all out to back their opinions with facts?
And that is my opinion. As I said before, I think we are still allowed to give them here. "
rantraves wrote on Oct 15, 2009 12:38 AM:
voter wrote on Oct 14, 2009 7:44 AM:
" It is not a statistic, it is my opinion."
Based on what reality?
Saying something does not make it true, but that's what people do when they have no facts to support their erroneous beliefs. "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 13, 2009 7:44 PM:
" . . . Of those people, half are die hard leftist socialists . . ."
Brian, where did you get that statistic? What is a "die hard leftist socialist? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 7:33 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 13, 2009 7:18 PM:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28050.html "
Cogito wrote on Oct 13, 2009 7:15 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 5:41 PM:
This from today's Rasmussen Reports:
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 32% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll "
voter wrote on Oct 13, 2009 3:03 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 PM:
"President Obama, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are very fine leaders...."
I'm trying to type something, however, I am simply speechless. How could anyone say this with a straight face? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 2:14 PM:
http://www.gjsentinel.com/hp/content/news/stories/2009/10/12/101309_7b_Fat_baby_coverage.html "
max stanfield wrote on Oct 13, 2009 1:45 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM:
Concerning WMD, take a look at Google and how most of the Kurds in Northern Iraq were killed, if you took chemical warfare for $500.00 Alex, you win.
Read Mitch Albom article, brilliant
Rush Limbaugh is taking some considerable flack at the mention of himself and others buying the St. Louis Rams. Jackson and Sharpton do not approve called Rush a racist. Calling someone a racist is strange coming form the two biggest race hustlers in this country, Jackson`s love child must be in her teens by now, and I wonder how the hooker that according to Sharpton, who was raped by the Lacrosse team is doing, since it never happened. Remember, the Rev.s are the problem, not the solution, similar to Arne Aasen "
voter wrote on Oct 13, 2009 12:25 PM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 PM:
Barack Obama however has yet to be accused of such criminality (as he should not be unless there is sufficient evidence to prove otherwise), but he is clearly making egregious errors that very well may result in the transformation of our nation to the extent that most of us could never have imagined.
I am all for vigorous debate on these issues for as long as is necessary. But the hatred and vitriol that exudes from the extremes on both sides simply defies logic. No good can come of it; but here we are, Obama is the president making mistakes and somehow it has to be Bush's fault. Preposterous. "
yeah you wrote on Oct 13, 2009 11:59 AM:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13530098 "
jbhiker wrote on Oct 13, 2009 11:32 AM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 13, 2009 10:36 AM:
All I can say is, it scares me that fools like this have a vote.
Voting fools are the price of Democracy. Sometimes that price is high, as evidenced by the fact that Bush was able to win a single Presidential election (2004). "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 13, 2009 9:45 AM:
I wonder, were you listening to a bunch of school-kids singing, "Mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama!" as you were writing your letter to the editor?
Other countries have attempted this socialist approach to medical care with disastrous results: months or even years before simple tests and procedures are performed; less than quality care by the providers because no incentives exist for them to do more than just the bare minimum.
For months I've been imploring Americans to finally wake up before it's too late. We're sitting at nearly 10% unemployment (after Obama PROMISED it would not exceed 8%), jobs are not being created (as Obama PROMISED they would be), and the stimulus program has done nothing to fix the economy (as Obama PROMISED it would).
Wake Up!! "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:56 AM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:54 AM:
As Sparky595 aptly put it, most Americans against this so-called attempt at reform are actually for true reform. This would include requiring those who heretofore refused to take care of themselves and their families to perhaps forego unnecessary toys and accoutrements in favor of a healthcare policy.
For those who simply cannot afford care, no right-minded American would refuse the care that they need. We are a benevolent nation, in spite of how our President has too often represented us while on the International campaign trail. We give, give and give until we're called upon to give some more; and then we do. But we need to be individually responsible for ourselves. The government should not be permitted to take over such a complicated industry. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:47 AM:
steve wrote on Oct 13, 2009 7:07 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:49 AM:
"The health care reform bill is about getting more Americans into the system and lowering the cost of the costliest health care system in the world."
Let's see....40 million new people into the system and we are going to lower the costs. Are these 40 million people going to pay for their own insurance, or are those going to be taxpayer dollars, too?
Again, who does this 'lowering costs' thing help? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:36 AM:
"It's immoral for the wealthiest nation in the world to have 40 million Americans who can't afford health care."
One could also argue that it is immoral for the federal government to take hard earned money from one law abiding American citizen and give it to another person that did nothing to earn it. America is the most charitable country in the world. We enjoy giving and helping our fellow Americans who need help. We don't need a government that forces us to do so.
I, like most middle class Americans, have a family, a home, a job (for now). I, like others, work hard to support our families. We make ends meet. We help friends and neighbors when they need help. Why am I going to be forced by the federal government to be 'morally correct' and spend more of my hard earned (earned being the key word here) money for another government entitlement plan? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:19 AM:
Employers will not absorb higher costs, choosing instead either to reduce benefits, lower salaries or cut jobs, the survey from professional services firm Towers Perrin said on Thursday.
entire article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE58G2N120090917
Again, Arne, WHO is going to benefit from these 'lower costs' that obamacare is going to shove down our throats? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:16 AM:
entire article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/18/politics/washingtonpost/main5320068.shtml
America is not buying this:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/122969/many-americans-doubt-costs-benefits-healthcare-reform.aspx "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:06 AM:
"The health care reform bill is about getting more Americans into the system and lowering the cost of the costliest health care system in the world."
Can you give me an example of how this is going to save the average person money? What ever they will 'save' us will be offset by the taxes on insurance plans and fines and jail time if you don't buy into it.
How do you think they are going to pay for this? It is not free. It doesn't come from a little bag under obama's pillow. One way or another, I don't care how well the congress hides it, you and I will be paying for this trillion dollar entitlement plan.
So again, who reaps the rewards of these 'lower costs' you speak of? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 5:56 AM:
"I guess they would be against the reform of health care."
This is one of the libs favorite lines. Can anybody show me where one person or one republican has ever said they were against 'the reform of healthcare'? I am so tired of hearing this claim. Just because more than half of America is against a government controlled take over of the entire healthcare system, doesn't mean we don't want to see some reform happen to fix the problems.
I say 'some reform' because over 80% of Americans are happy with there current coverage. Why are we trying to destroy the system completely and rebuild a brand new government controlled system? "
sparky595 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 5:46 AM:
"President Obama, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are very fine leaders who are turning this Bush/Cheney recession around. The stimulus is beginning to work."
Yeah....9.8% unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, national debt climbing by the trillions, pushing a Cap and Trade bill that will raise energy costs significantly (Obama's words) to all Americans, pushing a government controlled healthcare that more than half of this country does not want.
Yeah, they are doing a great job. Keep up the good work. "
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