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Police officers' actions were unprofessional
Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:30 AM PDT
I am writing this as an FYI. We attended the Grape Festival on Saturday between 6:30 to 10 p.m. this year. We saw many families enjoying the rides and entertainment.
As a civil servant myself, I was appalled at an observation of the Lodi Police Department. I watched two officers laugh and exchange pleasantries with two young women just outside the amphitheater between 9 and 9:30 p.m.. At the same time, my husband and I observed several impaired youngsters continue to imbibe alcohol to the point where they could barely stand, just behind where the officers were posted. I approached the officers and asked, "Are you on voluntary time or paid time tonight?"
The officer answered, "Paid time, and how can I help you?"
I stated that my husband and I had seen them talking and laughing and giving out business cards to two young women over the past half-hour. We were concerned the officers appeared very distracted in an atmosphere of uncertainty.
The officer was extremely rude and defensive. He said, "Don't tell me how to do my job." He said I was interfering with his job right now, and these women were his decoys. "Didn't you see my eyes wandering?"
I responded by saying, "Yes, I see your eyes wandering all over the women you are talking to."
The officer then told me, "You go and enjoy your drink," which I was holding in my hand.
I responded by saying, "It is not about my drink; it's about my observation of your performance (or lack of)."
We are an educated couple with worldly experiences, and feel this officer's response was degrading, unprofessional and downright rude. As a concerned citizen, I have requested a meeting with the chief.
Shani and Greg Chait
Lodi
Editor's note: Contacted for response, Lodi police said they have discussed this issue with the Chaits and did not wish to make a public comment.
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AmityArk wrote on Oct 18, 2009 8:46 PM:
sven31
my daughter and I are doing fine now I moved 2,000 miles away to a small town in Arkansas it has about 765 people it reminds me of Lodi a little when I was a kid everybody know everybody. We have only 2 police officers’ and they are very nice and are happy to help they take pride in our little town. Maybe that is what L.P.D. need to do take pride in Lodi again. I do miss Lodi sometimes after all I grew up in Lodi and in Galt I went to school in both towns and I called it home for most of my life. "
AmityArk wrote on Oct 18, 2009 8:46 PM:
P.S. I don’t know if anyone has noticed that this blog has to be looked for now after all it is Sunday and the paper is closed hmm I wonder if L.P.D. asked for it to be removed from the top blog list because it sure did get a lot of comments and most where not so good on our Lodi P.D. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 18, 2009 8:00 AM:
Thank you for your posts. I hope things will work out for you in the future. Things are just bad all over.
Are all Lodi cops bad? Are all cops bad?
No. LPD has many, many fine officers. David Main is in a class by himself. Very smart. I remember a time long ago when he had to cover for a course I took and he was apologetic that he didn't know much about the subject. Well based on what he lectured on, if that's not knowing much, then I would like to be that smart.
He needs to get off this kick about speeders though.
I think the problem with "some" cops is this attitude that they are in charge, what they say goes, and if you f**k with me, I'll beat the s**t out of you.
Most aren't like this and my experiences with LPD have been mostly positive, even when they were writing me a ticket.
But I have seen LPD police officers go wild on people for no apparent reason. "
AmityArk wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:20 PM:
AmityArk wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:57 PM:
This post is long so read it all
My encounters with L.P.D. have been a mixed bag. When I lived and worked on Main St. I tried to get L.P.D. to help clean up the neighborhood. Some of L.P.D. tried to help but in the end I got stonewalled by the people that called the shots at the department. So in the end the drug people and the homeless took over Main Street. It got so bad I had to choose to quit my job there and be homeless with my child that was 4 years old at the time because it got so bad that it had to many dangers for my child to be around. What was really sad was that there are people that live there because that all they can afford I was one at one time. We really tried to do better with are lot in life but when you have a department that does not take care of the problem the cops that try to do their job just give up because they are fighting a losing battle. "
AmityArk wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:56 PM:
I do wonder what would have happened if those kids got into a car a killed a family leaving the festival. Would the police department take the responsibility for the police officers that were doing the Mac Daddy on the two women instead of calling the parents of the dunk teens. I mean after all it is against the law for anyone under the age of 21 to consume alcohol. It is also against the law to be drunken in public. "
AmityArk wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:55 PM:
As for this code 845 that I have read about on this blog if the police are only here to keep peace then why have them. I mean come on if we want to get the bad guys all we have to do is shoot back maybe have a season for them like deer season for every bad guy you bag get a cash reward as for those that do minor crime put them in a cell for awhile. Create a new kind of force that take care of these kinds of problems and use the police that we now have as traffic cops and pay them less.
Just a note to all those police officers that try to do a good job thank you your hard work is noticed by some of us. As for those cops that don’t do the job that is asked go find a new job we don’t need to pay you to do nothing. "
Jason J wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:35 PM:
sven31 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 6:36 AM:
You don't even read the "stories" correctly:
"If the girls that night felt truly harrassed, file a report with the watch commander... that's why you can walk away if the officer has no reason to hold you on anything."
The boys in blue were socializing with the girls rather than patrolling and showing the badge and concerned citizens brought this to their attention.
These officers of the law were just looking to score. I don't know who has fewer brain cells. You for blindly thinking cops are in danger from a couple of high school girls or the high school girls who thought a cop was going to s__w them and marry them and have a beautiful family one day rather than having a cheating husband who accounts for his time away as "training" or "overtime". "
Caliwings wrote on Oct 17, 2009 1:37 AM:
Certainly you don't expect a teenager selling a corn dog that sees a pretty girl and want's to get to know her to act completely like a robot either.
I have a job, and I treat people as human beings.
If the girls that night felt truly harrassed, file a report with the watch commander... that's why you can walk away if the officer has no reason to hold you on anything. If they felt truly harrassed and needed help... witnesses are everywhere.
We really need to stop refer to police like personal figurative action dolls that we can play with and break if we want to.
Seeing that this is a more conservative town, perhaps if the officers trying, according to this article, to get their "game on" with 'men' it might seem more natural to a Republican eye? (I am just saying...) "
RU4REAL wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:11 PM:
I have never hear a more pathetic whiner in all my years. Any cop who bitches about the "abuse" they take at the hands of the citizens obviously didn't do their homework before applying for the job. So, you're giving me a ticket and I'm supposed to smile and be happy about it? Not ! I'm enjoying myself, and, OK, I may be a little loud, but this is a public event, and we're all out here to enjoy ourselves. Put you stupid macho and ego away, and maybe you won't need to be treating your ulcer when you turn 50 and take your early pubicly funded retirement, unless, of course, you go out earlier due to stress! Give me a break !! "
sven31 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:47 PM:
sven31 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:22 PM:
As far as Cawlings apologizing because the cops have to stand in one place or something, I'm not sure, isn't it to bad they had to do something they didn't like. That's why it's called a "job".
Next time they set up on WB Kettleman on their speed trap, look at them. They're like a bunch of little boys. "
Caliwings wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:04 AM:
READ MY OTHER COMMENTS BELOW (for detail) "
Caliwings wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:01 AM:
Caliwings wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:51 AM:
Caliwings wrote on Oct 16, 2009 12:41 AM:
blossom wrote on Oct 15, 2009 7:23 PM:
A) I have an excellent driving record
B) The officer insisted I was going Eastbund on Kettelman and I was going westbound.
I didn't argue, it was late at night and our darling teenager was late... AGAIN! We showed up at the party to pick her up!
I explained to the Judge and it was dismissed. I also made my child go to court with me! "
T & C wrote on Oct 15, 2009 5:00 PM:
If you or any other citizen in Lodi feels that a Police Officer has abused you or his position as a Police Officer begin your Inquiry into an internal Investigation of that officer by Calling the Lodi Police Chief: PH: 333-6725. I am sure that there are "Police Bullies" in every department, regardless of city or size! You must give the "Investigating Officer "FACTS" tho to help him investigate such an Officer, such as: (1) Location of the incident, (2) Name of the Officer or Badge #, (3) License plate number if nothing else, (4) Near-by witnesses if any, (5) date, Time and Location of the incident. Being argumentive with what one believes is a "Police Officer Bully" WILL get you no where or at best "Arrested for Obstructing"!
Maintain your cool, be polite, sign the ticket, get somewhere you can write everything down. If the officer ran your name for a warrant, the police will have a copy of such a check with all the police officer's information.
Bottom line.... "Don't be so paranoid, or hostile"... Looking for a confrontation that you carry a recorder with you. "
T & C wrote on Oct 15, 2009 4:36 PM:
" T and C: Recording with a cell phone would be great until the cop takes umbrage and slaps it out of your hand (and you know that is exactly what would happen)."
If what you say is the "Scenerio sven31"... prat tell why we have never read about this in any newspaper before, nor Magazine article, nor TV documentary?
Hmmm.... this ought to be a good one! Make it good sven31 please because we all need a chuckle for the day! Police abuse does occur and more often it is being recorded by cell phone users and by police dashboard cameras.
Case in point:
The police officer who shot and killed the Black male suspect in the back as he lay face down "Was Cell Phone" video taped!" Was his or her cell phone knocked out of her hand or mysteriously disappeared? "No sven31" it wasn't!
I am sorry you have a problem with police officers sven31 and feel the need to carry, lol, a recorder with you in your car! "
Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2009 11:56 AM:
Just get over yourself,climb down from the cross, use the wood to build a bridge..
and get over it... "
sven31 wrote on Oct 15, 2009 9:30 AM:
One more tip, if you are recieving a ticket, shut up!! Answer the questions. Sign the ticket. Keep your mouth shut. The citing officer will right your comments down on the back of his copy and then use this against you.
Be polite. Answer their questions. But say no more. Sign the ticket. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 AM:
As to being alive at the end of the day, well, thugs kill citizens too. Far more than kill police officers, who have guns, resistant vests, dogs, and back up. We are left on our own. T and C, I thought you would have figured that out sooner. "
T & C wrote on Oct 15, 2009 9:01 AM:
That's too bad.
Most police officers worry FAR MORE THEN YOU DO..."If they will be alive at the end of their shift"! "
T & C wrote on Oct 15, 2009 8:56 AM:
The best part of Video Cell Phones is that you CAN RECORD what you feel is MISCONDUCT!
In the case of Rodney King being brutally attacked while face down by a half a dozen police officer's as another dozen police officers stood near-by watching, One near-by neighbor taped the attack on his VCR Camera!
Police can be held accountable IF and ONLY if "you do it the right way!" It would have been nice to video record the drinking teens near the police officers if that "Really happened."
(2) very important things to remember:
1. Never ask a cop how many times he can taze someone before his battery is dead! 2. Never ask a cop if his police dog can really bite hard! "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Oct 14, 2009 2:38 PM:
I see parents complaining about refs in sports when the calls are correct. Some years it seems I spend more time explaining calls to the parents than coaching the kids.
How about those who verbally attack the waiter? Try working in the food industry a few years before attacking some poor kid making less than minimum+tips.
The point is there are people out there who seem to just want attention and complaining about the way someone does their job is the only way they seem to know to get it. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Oct 14, 2009 2:30 PM:
incredulous wrote on Oct 14, 2009 12:26 PM:
I wonder???? "
sven31 wrote on Oct 14, 2009 11:53 AM:
PS My head is shorn also. No turtle necks! "
sven31 wrote on Oct 14, 2009 11:43 AM:
ellieneslermyhero wrote on Oct 14, 2009 9:48 AM:
In our 3 branches of the stong arm ( CHP, Sheriff, Police Depts ) at a slightly higher elevation, none, except the females, have any hair. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 11:37 AM:
I think if I keep one of those motor officers in court for 3 hours waiting for the judge to find me guilty anyway no matter what I say, then it's worth it since those three hours could have been used to win an "ionic breeze" from Sharper Image. "
DOGBARK wrote on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 AM:
blossom wrote on Oct 12, 2009 7:49 PM:
blossom wrote on Oct 12, 2009 7:27 PM:
Welcome back RU where have you been?? "
RU4REAL wrote on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 PM:
sven31 wrote on Oct 12, 2009 4:14 PM:
I can see it both ways. In general you should obey commands, but you do not have to obey an illegal command like drive down the sidewalk.
Going to court usually offers a good shot at dismissal since the citing officer may have already written enough tickets for the month to get the toaster oven and going for the DVD recorder might be out of reach. "
blossom wrote on Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM:
I didn't tolerate it, It was a ticket and I took it to court and won!
I then went to the LPD and spoke with the watch commander.
I didn't tolerate it and I didnt take it up with the officer on the street, I took it to court!
But, He made me stay in my car, which I understand but it just didn't feel right that I was TOLD to stay in my car... But, I understand why... their are alot of loones law enforcement has to deal with so I would assume that they treat everyone as if they are a threat because they never know. "
richardh wrote on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM:
Several comments have been removed that were insulting to the couple who wrote this letter.
A reminder: Keep the comments on the topic/theme/subject and avoid getting personal.
Thanks to the majority who are staying on point here. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM:
Why would you tolerate a police officer not treating you with dignity? It doesn't matter if it's a parking ticket or something more serious. They can arrest people for the most heanous of crimes and still treat the suspect well.
They are trained to do this. I've had several dealings with police and each time I thought I was treated with respect, because they kept it to my offense and not me. I didn't always agree with their assessment, but on the street is not the time to resolve differences.
On the other hand I have witnessed an LPD office beat a teenager for not getting off of school street fast enough. That was a long time ago and that animal has retired or got fired. It's this type of response that causes the police problems with their image and unfortunatly, the public never knows what type of cop might show up. Dangerous psycho or Muloy and Martin. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 12, 2009 10:32 AM:
Uh. We agree. I'm well read and have done a lot of different things in life so far, so yes I know a lot about a lot.
For any of my claims, I can locate the section for the appropriate references.
I see even the "LEO" is not even disputing my claims.
We agree (I think) that CCW's should be given out regardless if you make a donation to the sheriff or are a friend of the chief. The police and sherif (and their subordinates) are the ones holding the whole thing up. With a background check and phsycological exam (or if it's the SJ SO, a "phycological exam"), etc, you should get a permit. Done said. No more questions.
Even if the police error and errantly give out a permit to a loser, those will eventually be weeded out as they commit crimes and the armed populace reduces their number gradually until they are below the numbers needed for reproduction. "
dyan wrote on Oct 12, 2009 7:32 AM:
yeah you wrote on Oct 11, 2009 10:08 PM:
blossom wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:00 PM:
I understand and respect the fact that they put their lives on the line every day.
I have had 1 dealing with a police officer and I did not like the way I was treated.
I understand why he did what he did but, I still felt it could have been treated differently in my opinion.
Most are very very nice others are to arrogant. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:59 PM:
If you are actually covered by the 830 sections of the penal code, then my apologies.
If your vetting process is so weak that you are handing out CCWs to scumbags, then your department has some serious problems.
Yes I hear complaints about how I do business occasionally. You know what? That's too bad. Maybe I could do a better job. Why do people always complain about the police? There must be some foundation for that re-occuring problem. Cops are expected to steel themselves from such complaints and treatment. If it bothers you then change how you conduct yourself or look for some other job that lets you abuse your customers. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:51 PM:
Your comment that "You have no idea how we trained to handle situations." might be premature.
As to your statement that "many times we do wait for a backup unit" I would bet (and probably win) that that is not optional but department policy and has been so for several decades. Yet private citizens are expected to check out alarms at their places of business alone and unarmed at the risk of never having the police respond again to a "false alarm".
As you say "Would you like the Sheriff to hand them out like candy?" this appears to be a more than less reply to CCW inquiries. Oh and they'll always say that it is decided on a case by case situation, the only case that seems to be assured is that you are good friends of the chief or a big donor to the Sheriff's election campaign. "
dogs4you wrote on Oct 11, 2009 4:06 PM:
Godfather wrote on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM:
If you recall, the "good" people of Australia were ordered to give up all their weapons, most complied. Use your imagination as to whom did not comply. The bad guys, and now all major crimes have gone up. What gang member in good standing is going to give up his peace. It wouldn`t surprise me if the "good" people are able to arm themselves again in order to combat crime and protect themselves. Evidently they don`t have a 2nd Amendent down under. "
goodolelodi wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:20 PM:
Yes, I am a LEO; however, *not* for Lodi. "
goodolelodi wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:00 PM:
Yes, I am a LEO; however now for Lodi. Do people come to your workplace and criticize the way you conduct your business?
You have no idea how we trained to handle situations. Yes, many times we do wait for a backup unit to arrive before we do anything. That is because of all the cops getting killed lately. You never know whats around the corner and its nice to have a partner with you. In fact, some Sergeants will require the primary unit to hold off until backup arrives.
Getting a CCW should be hard to get. Would you like the Sheriff to hand them out like candy? That way all the scumbags around can be armed?
Tired-
I couldn't agree more. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 1:56 PM:
I would hop David Main tells his department so. In my dealings with him he has always been incredibly professional. Let's hope some of that rolls down hill. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 1:48 PM:
If Im a deputy, out in the country and my nearest 805 is in Tracy, I would prefer to have some nearby resident assist until help arrived.
As far as getting around a CCW, on my own property I can do what I want. I believe I can even carry an UNLOADED handgun in plan sight into town if I choose. In my car, I can keep an UNLOADED handgun in a locked case, with ammo not readily assessable. And as I read it, I can carry as many handguns as I want in that configuration. You can look it up, its in both the Penal Code and Motor Vehicle Regs. Cops will reluctantly tell you this is true or just lie to you and say no, you can't.
And if you ever get a gun stolen, you'll never see it again. They'll pick out what they want, destroy the rest. I've seen handguns I know have been used in crimes in the possession of police officers (as their own personable property) years later. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 1:37 PM:
I think in Lodi, you have to call places like tanning salons to get police help. I would say bars but even the LPD has some standards. Most of them look fit, but the move towards bald heads is a little unsettling. Some do look like they belong on the offensive line of the Cowboys.
Mine are just general statements on law enforcement and the trends they seem to follow. While I respect the job they do, they are entitled to benefits the rest of the citizens are not.
The girlfriend thing has always been true and if you're a cop wife now, that's probably where you started. He's probably got another girlfriend.
CCW's in most states are moving to "shall issue" meaning if you meet state qualifications, you will be issued one.
Their objection, not only concealed carry is that that is one more gun they may have to face. Here's news: If someone wants to shoot a cop, no CCW is going to stop them. Your better off having people with permits. See continured "
dogs4you wrote on Oct 11, 2009 12:58 PM:
As far as CCW is concerned, tough to get one, unless you can show just cause, the 2nd, Amendment is everyone`s right to CCW.
Back up is standard protocol, to answer a call at a liquor store holdup or shooting at 2 AM is required, wouldn`t you ask for all the help you could get. "
dogs4you wrote on Oct 11, 2009 12:42 PM:
Just ask the two cops that had to take a life in Stockton last night due to a man with a gun pointed at them, not your typical donut run call. Would you risk your life for a person you don`t even know with a weapon pointed at you, I didn`t think so. You must have experenced the one or two on the force that had a bad day, OK in my book. "
sven31 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 12:35 PM:
Spoken like a true puppet. Are you a law enforcement officer, married to one, the parent of one? People like you are always on the cops side until they have an encounter then it's a fast 180. The police in harm's way? Please. On a silent alarm, they have a primary and a back up respond, both armed, yet they are perfectly happy to let a citizen check out an alarm on their own. Unarmed.
In harm's way? In some situations, they wait until back up arrives before doing anything, like an old lady being beat to crap.... Now you'll start with the officer safety lines, but save it. The police come in, look around, grab what they want then tell you to go online to report your attempted murder.
Did I mention they are armed? Try and get a CCW. Unless your a friend of the chief, good luck. In harm's way. That makes me laugh. It shouldn't, but it does. "
blossom wrote on Oct 11, 2009 11:18 AM:
Lodisupporter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 9:08 AM:
I see that you asked them, "Are you on overtime or paid time tonight." He replied, "Overtime, and how can I help you." Now how would an officer go from that to being unprofessional? WHAT DID YOU SAY TO STIR UP THE SITUATION?
You responded to the officer,"Yes, I see your eyes wandering all over the women you are talking to." NOW HOW IS THAT CIVIL?
Lastly, by your own words you were in the beer area drinking. I REALLY DOUBT YOUR CREDIBILTY HERE AS YOU WERE PROBABLY DRUNK YOURSELF AND HAVE VERY LITTLE CLEAR MEMORY OF THE INCIDENT.
Shani, why does life cause you so much anger? "
Great American Trucker wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:41 AM:
If this story is accurate, it would have been nice to hear the officer say, "Yes, Ma'am, we're a bit distracted today. We're back on the job now - have a good day." A little humility would go a long way here. Smile, shake a hand or two and move on. This is Lodi, not L.A. "
t jefferson wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:08 AM:
Suggest you check again... "
t jefferson wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:04 AM:
I am talking about government code 845 and it's like in the same 800's. All of these list the exemptions and things that LEO can not be held responsible. When taken in totality, police don't have to DO anything because no private citizen can sue them for NOT doing something....on the contrary, it is only when they DO something they open themselves up to litigation.
I am thinking you read the Law enforcement code of ethics or something of the sort which continues the myth of protecting people. Kind of like a Realtor code of ethics. Yea they all swear to it but it doesn't really mean much...
Going to have to disagree with you on this. I used to think the way you did until I read Warran v. DC and started to dig. The immunities granted to government for what they are SUPPOSED to DO are huge and if they became common knowledge, I think more people would be very angry.... "
galtguy wrote on Oct 11, 2009 4:56 AM:
Dogs- I have not read code 845, but I do know a person can not sue their Police Dept for not protecting them.
I frankly believe the Chait's story. Maybe embellished a little but I'm sure they are mostly correct. "
goodolelodi wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 AM:
dogs4you wrote on Oct 10, 2009 7:44 PM:
sven31 wrote on Oct 10, 2009 7:27 PM:
What "crime" were they trying solve or gather intel on? And acting snooty when questioned by a member of the public? Maybe they were offering these women rides on their (new) boats or watercraft or motorcycles, or trucks, or what ever.
These types of investigations are the very kind of over-paid time that they all get all the time to be able to afford a "new" of anything.
Remember two things when reading this letter: 1) they are better than us; and 2) (as was related to me by a former police officer) 90% of all cops have girlfriends. Of course not these two, but the others, sure.
"An honor to serve ... a duty to protect" might be changed to "You're lucky to have us...Call us after it's safe to come by or just do an on-line report" "
T & C wrote on Oct 10, 2009 6:34 PM:
T & C wrote on Oct 10, 2009 6:32 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Oct 10, 2009 1:56 PM:
From what was stated by the Chait`s is the reason I will not go to the Grape Festival, while I enjoy a beer or two, I know my limit. Put beer, booze, drugs, and gang bangers together, that spells trouble, and who else would you call, Welcome Wagon. "
Brian wrote on Oct 10, 2009 10:19 AM:
....They really don't have to DO
anything.
-And evidently you don't think they have to have manners either. Perhaps their supervisor grabbing these officers by the ear lobes
and demand they offer their deepest apologies to Mr. and Mrs. Chait would be the prudent thing to do. "
t jefferson wrote on Oct 10, 2009 7:03 AM:
your experiences must not be that worldly if you expect professional behavior from police....They really don't have to DO anything, check government code 845 and numerous court decisions. Police are there to keep the general peace not enforce any specific law or protect anyone. Think about that the next time you dial 911. As far as police, over the last 30 years they have become a more para military organization that is separating themselves more and more from the "civilians". Expect this to get worse and worse as the police state grows. "
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