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Spirited debate over President Obama's policies has little to do with race
Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:57 AM PDT
Allow me to start off by yielding the floor to the gentleman from Georgia, Congressman Hank Johnson, who agreed with the Congressional disapproval of blurter and South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson.
"I guess we'll probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside, intimidating people. That's the logical conclusion if this kind of attitude is not rebuked," Johnson said in an interview last week.
And before I begin, former President Jimmy Carter has some feelings he'd like to share with you as he did with NBC News' Brian Williams last week. "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man."
By the end of the week the mainstream news, who were MIA on self-avowed communist and ex-Obama appointed special adviser Van Jones, asleep at the wheel during the ACORN community organizing group's sex slavery and prostitution scandal, were all over this new breed of hate and racism in society.
Forget a photo of Capitol mall being chock full of concerned citizens on Sept. 12, there was real news to get to.
ABC, NBC and CBS all had in-depth segments that depicted those who protest, question and otherwise disagree with President Obama as people who just can't accept a black man as president.
Even House Speaker Nancy Pelosi shared her emotional response toward recent public dissent against our leader during a press briefing. "I have concerns about some of the language being used because I saw this myself in the late '70s in San Francisco. This kind of rhetoric was very frightening and it created a climate in which violence took place," she said.
This past Sunday, Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele suggested the following in regards to President Obama asking New York Gov. David Paterson not to run for re-election:
"I found that to be stunning, that the White House would send word to one of only two black governors in the country not to run for re-election, and it just raised a curious point for me," said Steele, hinting with racial overtones during an interview on CBS' "Face the Nation."
Did it ever occur to any of these people that racism has nothing to do with their arguments?
At times I think we've come a long way in our melting pot of a country, but then people in power, like the ones mentioned above, decide that we need to take a major jump back.
We can only move forward when and if racism stops being used as a political tool and a means to distract from real issues (e.g., health care reform). No one wants to be labeled a racist or a Nazi, Speaker Pelosi, so why have you turned up the rhetoric in which you so worry about?
Oh right, because it's convenient when you have no other logical argument.
I call it "bomb throwing." When someone decides they disagree with you and can't think fast enough to make a reasoned counterpoint, they throw an explosive accusation at you in order to feel satisfied and get you to shut up.
May I also remind everyone who thinks racism is playing a part in all of this, that the people elected Barack Obama to the office of President when he was in fact a man with black skin. Last I checked, he looked identical to the day he took office.
That major media outlets decide to run with racism claims only puts us as a people and a country further behind. Any recent progress made is suddenly dumped back out of the can of diversity and acceptance onto the floor of stereotypes and prejudice.
There are still the few out there who are crazy and racist. But there are those types in every racial group.
This thinking goes hand-in-hand with the idea that all terrorists wear turbans, when in actuality, the majority of Sikh men, peaceful, people-loving folks, wear the turban as a sign of complete commitment, a signal to others that they are dedicated to serving all. Yet the rise in innocent Sikh men being murdered directly after 9/11 in America took a drastic jump.
A shift may be on the horizon. According to a Pew Research Center poll, the up and coming generation, known as "Generation Y," is relatively open-minded in regards to diversity. Specifically, the poll showed that 91 percent of those who belong to Generation Y accept the idea of interracial dating, which is of little shock seeing as how one in every three is a member of a minority group.
I guess those of us who are beyond race will have to wait for this generation to take control before we see any real results.
Until then, I'd like to take the stance of someone from the other side of the aisle, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: "I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration."
Wade Heath is a college student and writer of the WadeWire Blog at wadewire.blogspot.com. He can be reached at reachwade@lycos.com.
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Lodian wrote on Dec 31, 1969 4:00 PM:
Brian wrote on Oct 2, 2009 8:29 PM:
Beck, Savage, and Limbaugh have never done an honest days work so they can donate (more money than you'll ever earn)
to charities. Ok Gator. "
Brian wrote on Oct 2, 2009 8:25 PM:
Lastly
people need to stop listening to the 3 stooges Limbaugh, Beck and Savage
none of the Three have ever done an honest days work, never…
-And of course you can say this
with the utmost sincerety even though most of Savages books have nothing to do with politics and a lot to do with healing people naturally, botany, and teaching. But you'll stick to your guns
that Savage and the others have never done an honest days work. "
Brian wrote on Oct 2, 2009 8:06 PM:
" Brian wrote on Sep 27, 2009 11:46 AM:
-Alot more than you ever would. You still think the Patriot Act is too much of an inconvenience. "
The Patriot Act sacrifices both Liberty and Freedom. It is certainly a boon to cowards but to true Patriots, it will always be anathema.
Hide in the darkness if you will Brian, but never pretend that your cowardice is a virtue. "
-Leonard,
Your interpretation of the Patriot Act
in that only cowards are proponents of it is absurd. Of course you present yourself as being in a position to handle anything the terrorists come at you with. This is consistent with how
HIGHLY you regard yourself. And those that aren't quite as capable as taking care of themselves as you? Tough titty
you say, I'm still opposed to the Patriot Act. "
Gator wrote on Sep 28, 2009 7:02 PM:
Saudi Arabia. Their people were on the planes and the Wahhabi’s financed it. "
Gator wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:56 PM:
many lives have been wasted for that lousy organization?? The reason I
brought up the Amazing Race is they were in Hanoi and the place never
looked better. They are exporting goods to the US and making money off
us and their tourist business is booming. The Dominos didn’t fall and
all of south East Asia wasn’t taken over. No we just lost 58,000 men
for what. Absolutely nothing.. Iraq another waste. Close to 5.000 dead
and when we leave the wheels will fall off. Oil was the name of the Game.
Afghanistan. They need 10,000 construction workers to rebuild the infra-
Structure you don’t win a Counter insurgency war by blowing the hell out of the place. For once I would like to see the US finish what it’s starts. Lastly
people need to stop listening to the 3 stooges Limbaugh, Beck and Savage
none of the Three have ever done an honest days work, never… "
Great American Trucker wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:43 PM:
In the meantime, it's time to get MAD and continue expressing the outrage at the way our country is being run into the ground by these people.
And it's time for most of you to ask yourself WHY you voted for this nonsense in the first place. "
mike wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:46 AM:
My previous mention of the the wars in Asia was not to try and justify them. "
Gator wrote on Sep 27, 2009 9:11 PM:
they die for??? What ever you do don’t let the facts gat in the way!!! "
mike wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:55 PM:
mike wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:52 PM:
mike wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:51 PM:
Also Sir, I would like to point out that it really depends on who is writing the history book, on how they will justify or explain past wars,Sir. "
rantraves wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:49 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 27, 2009 6:41 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 5:45 PM:
OTH wrote on Sep 27, 2009 4:39 PM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 27, 2009 2:18 PM:
-Alot more than you ever would. You still think the Patriot Act is too much of an inconvenience. "
The Patriot Act sacrifices both Liberty and Freedom. It is certainly a boon to cowards but to true Patriots, it will always be anathema.
Hide in the darkness if you will Brian, but never pretend that your cowardice is a virtue. "
Lee wrote on Sep 27, 2009 1:17 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 27, 2009 11:46 AM:
" Brian wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:49 AM:
-I still am amazed that there are those who think the "Patriot Act" was such an inconvenience to them they would still prefer that it never was enacted. All in the name of maintaining our liberty?
Is there anything that you would sacrifice to preserve Liberty? A toenail, perhaps? "
-Alot more than you ever would. You still think the Patriot Act is too much of an inconvenience. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:20 AM:
Well, I guess someone in the low reading group such as yourself could interpret my post that way. I'll try to keep our exchanges more literal from now on. You can come out from behind the chair now. "
Gator wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:00 AM:
Dwight D Eisenhower and his administration decided to Nation build
and form a government to take over in the south after the French were
defeated in 1954. JFK sent 400 special operations troops to train the
South Vietnamese army.. LBJ took matters into full out war and it remained
that way till the end in 1975... There was no domino effect, all of south east Asia didn’t fall to the Communist…End result 58,000 Americans died and we now have diplomatic relations with Vietnam and like every thing else they make junk send it over here and we buy it just like Chinese products
Pray tell where is the justification for all that?????? "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 5:32 AM:
"If you consider me calling you out for being an extremist a "drive by," then you better bolt the door to your meth lab, because my glok is loaded and I have an itchy trigger finger. "
So you consider me an "extremist" as you threaten me with a gun. Interesting. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 27, 2009 12:07 AM:
If you consider me calling you out for being an extremist a "drive by," then you better bolt the door to your meth lab, because my glok is loaded and I have an itchy trigger finger. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:09 PM:
Bob: This is exactly what sparkle did to me and now he is accusing you of doing it? He's a hypocrite. "
mike wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:08 PM:
Afghanistan and Iraq are two operations in this war just like Germany and Japan were in WWII.
By some observations, WWII was then started by President Roosevelt. Korea was started by President Truman. Vietnam by President Kenedy.
Like in thse times, this war was started by several sources. Also the United States Congress with the exact same information as President Bush agreed to War and
the UN also agreed force would be permitted in Iraq.
Bush may have been the one who physically declared war, but the policies of the previous 10-12 years ensured that it was inevitable.
War is hell, but, IMO to remain a free and save society you really need to go out in the world and FACE evil, not just lob spineless "bombs" and accusations of racism etc... "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:48 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:42 PM:
Gator wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:34 PM:
and letting the Congress and Senate roll on and on and on!! Term limits
are one of the keys. Things like recall and impeachment are tools to rid
the Government of the leaches and blood suckers. People sit around and
flap their jaw, P*** and moan and that is where it stops. It won’t fix it’s self
you have to help it along..no one is going to jump out like Superman and say “Hey let me fix it for you!!” It starts with local elections and moves to the top..If you don’t get involved you got no B**** coming…If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever.”
George Orwell…. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:28 PM:
There is no prize for "Most Prolific Blogger." The LNS is not planning a parade for you, but you keep on playing scoreboard and counting up posts. You are better at that than actually conversing. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:47 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:46 PM:
Well, I guess I'll see you in about 100-150 posts from now. That out to give you time to come up with your next 2 sentences. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:28 PM:
Continue your rant.... "
Gator wrote on Sep 26, 2009 5:40 PM:
the fifth time. Two more in Afghanistan One a SEAL and the other a civilian
contractor overseeing the building of power lines.. The latter was the one who told me about an Indian Supervisor who asked him the question, If
all the Terrorist on those planes were Saudi’s why did you attack Iraq and
Afghanistan??? So Einstein you give it a shot.. Remember the Saudis continue to fund the Terrorist….We are the only reason the Royal Family
is still in power. If it wasn’t for us the Wahhabi’s would over throw them
in a heart beat.. Their top man “Osama bin Laden….I think I’m a little more
informed than you…But that’s just me… "
Gator wrote on Sep 26, 2009 5:20 PM:
we had him boxed in. He didn’t believe the US would ever attack him so
he rambled on. Next we have no right to impose Democracy on any country.
I suggest you go to Barns and noble and buy a book called a Moment of truth in Iraq by Michael Yon,, He has more time as an embedded reporter
In Iraq and now Afghanistan than all the others combined,, The boots on the ground trust him. He points out that Iraq was wrong period.. I’m sure the likes of Halliburton , KBR and their ilk would disagree after they mad a ton of money and continue to screw the American taxpayer and they have the blood of 4500+ Americans on their hands.. We had the whole world behind us till Shrub uttered those words “You are with us or your against us” and our support went in the toilet …. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 3:47 PM:
-I still am amazed that there are those who think the "Patriot Act" was such an inconvenience to them they would still prefer that it never was enacted. All in the name of maintaining our liberty?
Is there anything that you would sacrifice to preserve Liberty? A toenail, perhaps? "
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 3:46 PM:
I am not going to argue about Bush's bad intelligence information on WMD's
Good. That would be silly and a complete waste of time. "
Brian wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:49 AM:
" sparkles spewed "Not surprising. In that same period, you have not noticed the reality that our government is stealing your liberty and freedom right out from under your naive little childish mind."
-I still am amazed that there are those who think the "Patriot Act" was such an inconvenience to them they would still prefer that it never was enacted. All in the name of maintaining our liberty?
I suppose. With our cities almost unlivable from terrorists attacks at least we still have our liberty. I'll try to grasp this. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:38 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:27 AM:
I am not going to argue about Bush's bad intelligence information on WMD's. However, if you look at the history leading up to that war, Saddam ignored the world and the UN for over a decade. There were numerous reasons why the war started, and I will agree that not all were legitimate. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:22 AM:
"Sparky, your attempt to absolve Bush of the responsibility for his actions is absurd."
Also you said:
"To say, however, that the decision to launch an invasion rested with anyone other than the Commander in Chief is absurd."
Where did I do this? At 6:48 am I said:
"I believe Bush decided to go there."
Stop spinning my words around and putting words in my mouth.
You don't get it Leonard. I have never voted for Bush, supported him, or said he was a good president. My point is that everyone supported HIS decision to go into Iraq. Do you really think all of those democrat quotes that I posted are a result of Bushes bad intelligence that he received? They agreed for years and years that Saddam one day would need to be stopped. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:03 AM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:02 AM:
Liberals, acting on falsified intelligence provided by the Bush Administration, were concerned. Some even called for war.
To say, however, that the decision to launch an invasion rested with anyone other than the Commander in Chief is absurd. There is no profit in arguing with people so ill informed that they think otherwise. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:52 AM:
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
He said "without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein".
You cannot do that over tea and crumpets. Do you think John Kerry wanted to send a polite letter to Saddam and ask him to pretty please stop "grasping for weapons of mass destruction"? Of course not. He and ALL of congress was on board with the possible scenario of force. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:45 AM:
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:43 AM:
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.
"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:36 AM:
" I don't believe the "buck stops with the liberals" on Iraq. I believe Bush decided to go there. He just happened to have the FULL support of the democrats when he did.
There is a difference between giving the authority to act and acting with that authority.
Most democrats believed that Bush would use the threat of war as a stick with which to secure access for inspectors to the supposed WMD sites. That is not what happened. "
Observer wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:35 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:48 AM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:40 AM:
Wow Lodian!
Did you just post to us from the year 1969? "
Leonard wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:39 AM:
Now days (at least when a Republican is in office) the buck apparently stops at the liberal congressmen (just the liberals) who voted to give the Commander in Chief the authority to make war (if he chose to do so).
Gutless?
You betcha! "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:15 AM:
Bob, out of 140 posts on this article, you have 3. Two about Rachel Maddow and Keith Oberman, and one to lecture me about "intelligent debate". You kind of remind me of Lodian....Absolutely nothing of substance to offer. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 6:00 AM:
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 5:57 AM:
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:21 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:00 PM:
"you have not noticed the reality that our government is stealing your liberty and freedom right out from under your naive little childish mind."
How can you possibly expect to have a grown-up discourse with anyone when you make ridiculous statements like this? Tone down the extremist propaganda and someone might take you seriously. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:55 PM:
The war in Iraq was not actually started by Bush
Dare I ask, then, who started it? "
mike wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:37 PM:
http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/ "
mike wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:32 PM:
I do like what Hillary was quoted at in Wades column,
them sum fittin' wards fo ya LeoTard -ya ol' mudslinger. "
mike wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:31 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:29 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:28 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:27 PM:
" Lodian, I am not begging for your attention."
Then why do you keep addressing your comments to me specifically, even after you said it would be best not to talk to me? Begger. lol! "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:21 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:19 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:18 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:12 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:06 PM:
"Really? So, for about a month now? Hmm, guess I never noticed. "
Not surprising. In that same period, you have not noticed the reality that our government is stealing your liberty and freedom right out from under your naive little childish mind. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:05 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:02 PM:
"I just might decide not to address you at all..."
Don't tease me like that. I think that is the best thing you ever posted. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:00 PM:
" Keep spinning things, Lodian. I've been posting since the middle of August. "
Really? So, for about a month now? Hmm, guess I never noticed. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:58 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:57 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:56 PM:
Maybe a cup of tea would help. :-) "
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:50 PM:
You've been here for two days, so when did this "exponential escalation" take place?
P.S. I see you bought that thesaurus.;-) "
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:48 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM:
In the past month since I started here, you constantly distort my name in your posts.
You have demanded of me to answer things that others wrote.
You called me a coward for not answering to that.
You recently called me a liar, yet when I called you on it, as usual, no response.
You want to keep insinuating that I am Brian (even though I've seen you assume that of others here, too). I challenge you to find any comparisons of my posts to his, especially grammatically speaking.
Lodian, you are the one who has instigated the exponential escalation of my dislike towards you. Now go back to your room and finish your homework before supper. "
Observer wrote on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 1:17 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2009 1:14 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:31 AM:
Gator wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:08 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:19 AM:
"Hmmm.... a conservative poster who only wants to attack Lodian"
I don't want to attack anyone, Leonard. I have stated many times that I enjoy discussing issues and writing opinions and facts like most everyone else. Lodian has been an instigator to many people here including myself. SHE is the only person I have a problem with, and if you check other articles/posts, you'll find I have a lot of company in that respect.
I try to ignore her best I can. Leonard, allow me to use an analogy. If someone in Texas kept pulling their gun and pointing it at you, eventually you're probably going to pull yours out, too.
I just think Lodian hates her life, so she likes to hide behind a keyboard to get her aggressions out. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:09 AM:
Sparky, I think that position has already been filled.
Now that I think about it, though, the current incumbent is a bit miffed because Lodian stopped talking to him, so perhaps its just as well that you are here. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:09 AM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 25, 2009 4:46 AM:
Conventional wisdom tells me, that, just as if some left wing Leotarded pinko on the shooting ranges of Texas was able to take a stand and face evil, so did Bush
Bush couldn't even spell "evil" let alone take a stand against it. The man was a joke. A sick, evil, twisted joke. "
mike wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:44 PM:
Conventional wisdom tells me, that, just as if some left wing Leotarded pinko on the shooting ranges of Texas was able to take a stand and face evil, so did Bush, with his "if you're not with us you're agin us attitude" where he did face evil and kept MOST of us safe frm another attack.
To say Russia is not in the "A league" is about as absurd as saying the Taliban are not fanatically religious. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:09 PM:
Awesome! That's means I am doing everything right since someone like you doesn't like me. Whew... almost thought we were gonna be friends. Eeck!
Ciao "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:42 PM:
Now you are calling me a liar? What lie is this? You need to wipe your mouth with toilet paper, because there is always a bunch of crap coming out of it.
Again, Clidian, where did I lie? Oh, I forgot. You don't answer my questions, you run and hide from them. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:35 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:30 PM:
That's just weird. Everyone knows not to trust you. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:22 PM:
Leonard, I apologize for dragging you into it. It was meant to mess with Lodian. (Don't tell her this, but I can't stand her.) Leonard, I do not believe you like those thug leaders anymore than myself.
I've had enough for one day. Until next time.... "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:18 PM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:13 PM:
Where did I say anything about their right to access the meeting at the UN? What facts are you referring to? Maybe if you availed yourself to what I said, you wouldn't make senseless comments.
Well, I assumed that, given your remarks about Quadaffy, that was what you were getting at with the following:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM:
" Lodian, you may want to keep those kind of people close to you, but I don't want them anywhere near me or my country
Perhaps I misunderstood you? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:11 PM:
Exactly!
Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.
Are you getting it now, sparkle? "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:59 PM:
"Sporky, you do understand that the US has a treaty obligation to allow foreign leaders access to the United Nations. It has been that way since the Eisenhower Administration.
Perhaps if you availed yourself of the facts, things might work out a little better for you here. "
Where did I say anything about their right to access the meeting at the UN? What facts are you referring to? Maybe if you availed yourself to what I said, you wouldn't make senseless comments.
Pay attention and stop the spinning. "
Gator wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:56 PM:
Putin still not A league and he had best watch the Chechen’s he couldn’t beat them before
And he won’t this time..None of these people have any use for Obama or America. There
Is one person who has no use for any of the above including America… Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri the #2 man of al-Qaeda . He is testing Obama right now and he won’t go away.
This man poses more danger to this country than all the others combined. Conventional
Wisdom says al-Qaeda will detonate a dirty bomb on American soil in the next 5-10 years… al-Qaeda are Religious fanatics while the Taliban are not… "
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:56 PM:
" Can't we agree on something. My God. These people want nothing more than death to Americans!
What do you want to agree on? That these regimes are evil? I don't think anyone has argued otherwise.
The fact is that sometimes, in order to accomplish good, one has to deal with evil.
Was Chairman Mao an evil man? No doubt.
Would the world be a better place today if Nixon hadn't gone to China?
I doubt it. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:54 PM:
"Can't we agree on something."
Sparkle, like Brian, you seem to have a desperate need for someone to agree with you. Try rereading the last several comments again and see if you can't find something to agree with all on your own. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:54 PM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:53 PM:
" Lodian, you may want to keep those kind of people close to you, but I don't want them anywhere near me or my country!
Sporky, you do understand that the US has a treaty obligation to allow foreign leaders access to the United Nations. It has been that way since the Eisenhower Administration.
Perhaps if you availed yourself of the facts, things might work out a little better for you here. " "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:51 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:50 PM:
" Lodian, you may want to keep those kind of people close to you, but I don't want them anywhere near me or my country! "
Like I said, you don't get it. Sorry you are having trouble, sparkle, please try again later. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM:
" I'll take Lodian's and Leonard's responses as their tacit approval to those people supporting obama since they clearly did not denounce it.
I'm not quite sure what I am supposed to be tacitly supporting. Would it really make any difference if Quadaffy had spat on Obama's mother's grave?
Quadaffy can't say two words without lying three times. Anyone who takes the man's statements seriously is an idiot. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:46 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:45 PM:
"Really Sparly? You are close enough with these men to know when they are laughing?
What do you all do, meet over at Kim's place for pornos and poker once a week? "
You find the time to mock me when I speak about these ruthless people that have nothing but hate for America, yet no time to denounce them. Tacit approval. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:44 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:35 PM:
" Chavez, Castro, Putin, Ahmadinejad, and Kim Jong-il are laughing the loudest.
Lybian president, Muammar Gadhafi yesterday called obama "his son" and wished that obama could be "president for all time for America".
Doesn't it bother anyone that these kind of people support obama? This isn't some game. Our country is at stake. Wake up America. "
Then Lodian said:
" Remember... keep your friends close but your enemies closer. "
However, I did not see where you denounced the comments by Gadhafi. Tacit approval. You're familiar with that term, aren'tcha? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:26 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:17 PM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:58 PM:
" Chavez, Castro, Putin, Ahmadinejad, and Kim Jong-il are laughing the loudest.
Really Sparly? You are close enough with these men to know when they are laughing?
What do you all do, meet over at Kim's place for pornos and poker once a week? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:50 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:33 PM:
Lybian president, Muammar Gadhafi yesterday called obama "his son" and wished that obama could be "president for all time for America".
Doesn't it bother anyone that these kind of people support obama? This isn't some game. Our country is at stake. Wake up America. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:02 PM:
" Evil countries that used to fear us, are laughing at us for the way obama is stripping down our national security.
If only the evil countries are laughing at us that is still progress since ALL of the countries of the world were laughing at us under Bush. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:51 PM:
Gator wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:32 PM:
name comes up the previous more than speaks for it’s self.. "
wtf wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:01 PM:
anthropis wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:16 AM:
wtf wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:48 AM:
Initially, I truly enjoyed listening to a president who could actually speak English; unfortunately, as time went on, I stopped listening to his voice and words and started "chang-ing" the TV channel whenever he came on....just like when Jr. appeared.
As for Obama's race, skin color, ethnicity or whatever you want to call it, I lost sight of that a lo-o-o-ong time ago as Obama has morphed into Bush Jr. over time....all I see now is another lying politician.
One who made empty promises and can't (or won't) deliver; one who grandstands at the expense of the American people while he serves a foreign government who has infiltrated American politics.
In other words, NO change. "
wtf wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 AM:
Much ado about nothing! ;)
Can we get off the fake outrage over alleged racism already? Sure there are nutjobs who go overboard; but you'll find these types in ALL races and ALL political parties and rather than give fuel to the fire, IGNORE them. Let's stick with the topic of Wade's column: The POLICIES of this administration....which are the EXACT SAME policies of Jr. Bush, meaning: they suck! LOL!
The only 'color' that should be discussed here is the color green as we ALL attempt to follow the (our taxpayer) dollars; if there is any denigration of "race" to be made, how about denigrating that weird breed called politicians?
I'm sure someone can come up with politician jokes that are almost as good as lawyer jokes. LOL! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:56 AM:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
-Edmund Burke
. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:51 AM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:20 AM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:18 AM:
" I can understand why Leonard may not have the testicular fortitude to denounce racism and bigotry on the shooting range and yet the cojones to catalog and highlight it here on the blogs.
Oh, I never said that I don't denounce it. I've been kicked out of more than one range and I've been told in no uncertain terms what would happen to me if I was caught by myself on a long dark road.
I would be lying if I said that it doesn't scare me but you do what you do. My response is generally just to load up on an extra box of hollow points on the way out. Now days I also try to be sure that I take a long a couple of buddies when I know I am going to be shooting at a hostile range. "
mike wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:13 AM:
It is spineless to use racism\anti-racism as a tool. There are by far greater issues facing our Nation.
IMO many socialist countries now have far more problems with racism than the USA.
While Brian's off colored remarks were just that, it wouldn't of took much stronger language that he could of been fined or imprisoned had he been living in one of many European countries and "incited such hatred and racism".
Is that what we want for our country? "
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:51 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:46 PM:
"Leonard, conservatives don't fawn over Rush like Oprah's followers do."
Really? Well, I guess it is a different kind of following for Rush. A lot of scary angry people. EEK!
And, geez, what's your beef with Oprah? "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:54 PM:
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 PM:
a Prager meet up group.
Chuckle....
Cue announcer's voice:
Where you can bring someone you care about without embarassment?
Privacy, good food & music, refreshments, cleanliness & a super-jacuzzi too!
That's what parties at the A-frame are all about.
LOL! "
Brian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:45 PM:
" You know, its funny, Mr Dockter doesn't even know how he is being mocked, he just knows that he is being mocked.
-I am well aware how liberals like to make a mockery of everyhthing. "
Brian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:43 PM:
" Christ, Brian, its a metaphor. I am not saying you are a member of NAMBLA (to my knowledge) I am saying that you are as unpopular as NAMBLA. "
Christ, Leonard, Why am I as unpopular as NAMBLA. You could of at least said I am as unpopular as the Democratic party
at a Prager meet up group.:) "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:21 PM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:10 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:41 PM:
" You know, Jerry Kimono must be delighted to have Brian publicly defending him.
That's sort of like the LNS equivalent of a politician receiving NAMBLA's endorsement. "
-Chuckle.
Whether it was JRK being associated with NAMBLA or me, this was the last straw. I wouldn't give you the time of day.
Now, Leonard, do you want to take this opportunity to renounce your previous statement and make a public apology to the blog community OR do you still stand by your earlier statement? This would at least be a good start for you.
In due time we should expect a formal apology for all of your other previous statements that the blogg community thought was offensive. "
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:39 PM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:35 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:25 PM:
Obama is a good house negro. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:23 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:22 PM:
He's a good house negro.
Little does Leonard know is a black man said this. And little does he know is the amount of blacks that have little regard for Obama and his policies. We'll have to see what he does with this. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:15 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:52 PM:
" Leonard , I have to question your motive- what's your point digging up year old blogs? Or are you kinda doing what Jerome said, in that, you're using racism to further your agenda? "
-The last question is so rhetorical.
No 2 other people can lay claim to being
the most prolific race hustlers in the country than the prides of Democratic party, that being Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Now, if Leonard would stop spending so much time holding the GOP to a higher standard and focus on his party
we may not have to constantly remind remind him of his hipocracy. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:49 PM:
When Lodian spoke of the hatred towards the president, the context of her statement did not appear to be isolated to a guy named Brian in these posts. It seemed to imply other people around the country (ex. congressman, talk show host, etc.).
So I asked, Lodian, a question.
Again, for the record, I was not around LNS when Brian made his infamous remarks. However, again I say, I in no way condone his comments or any other racial comments towards anyone. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:14 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:11 PM:
Brian wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:33 AM:
"Yep, voting for B.O. is the HIP thing to do. How trendy. He's a good house negro."
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How many of the Republicans here, or anyone, can get behind this comment in support of Brian's words? "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:00 PM:
Please give us a few examples of the HATE and offensive name calling towards obama, "outside of this forum".
As those who have posted here for a while know, I don't watch TV or listen to talk radio so I think this question, as far as the media goes, probably poses a unfair challenge to me.
What I can tell you is that I spend a fair amount of time at pistol ranges here in Texas and I routinely here things that make Brian's comments below sound like the words of a left wing pinko. The level of hatred expressed freely by men who assume that they are amongst like minded bigots is truly shocking. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:57 PM:
I agree with you in regards to those comments.
However, I was under the impression that Lodian,who I directed my question to, was referring to the country as a whole, not this specific group of a dozen people.
From what I see here in Texas, I think it is safe to say that these blogs are a fair representation in miniature of what is happening around the country.
A few far right nutjobs have gone completely off the reservation. The result is what you see below.
The majority of conservatives might not choose to express their opinions in those terms but they lack either the integrity or the testicular fortitude to condemn those who do.
A small minority of conservatives have stood up and bravely declared that, no matter how much they might disagree with Obama,there is simply no excuse for that sort of disgusting vitriol.
I am proud to say that a couple members of that small minority post here at the LNS and I am proud to have such decent men and women as my adversaries in these discussions of our nation and our future. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:11 PM:
"Do you not consider Brian's description of Obama below hateful and or offensive? "
I agree with you in regards to those comments.
However, I was under the impression that Lodian, who I directed my question to, was referring to the country as a whole, not this specific group of a dozen people.
So I suppose I will re-word my question.
Please give us a few examples of the HATE and offensive name calling towards obama, "outside of this forum".
Lodian, if you were referring to this forum only, then I apologize for the confusion. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:57 PM:
" Who is the Oprah of the right to campaign for a candidate?
I would think this was rather obvious.
If Oprah were an obese white conservative drug addict with erectile dysfunction, who could she be but Rush Limbaugh?
Duh.... "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:54 PM:
Please give us a few examples of the HATE and offensive name calling towards obama.
Hello, Earth to Sparky.
Do you not consider Brian's description of Obama below hateful and or offensive? "
Leonard wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:43 PM:
" Leonard , I have to question your motive- what's your point digging up year old blogs? Or are you kinda doing what Jerome said, in that, you're using racism to further your agenda?
Well, many here have made the claim that racism is not an issue in the GOP. I think that the fact that one of the most prolific Republican bloggers here is a virulent and hateful racist speaks loudly against that hypothesis. "
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:34 PM:
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:33 PM:
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:26 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:10 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:07 PM:
Cogito: I am a loyal liberal, but your Rachel Maddow take is pretty spot on. When she donned the Arkansas Razorback thing on her head the other night, all I could think was "Why dude, why?" "
catscradle wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:23 PM:
You are all getting spun out by an age-old game in which critical thinking is replaced by propaganda, sectarianism and fear-mongering. Stop looking at the trees ... there's a great big forest out there. "
sparky595 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:37 PM:
" Bush was not attacked with such HATE and offensive name calling as President Obama receives today"
Please give us a few examples of the HATE and offensive name calling towards obama. "
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:34 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 23, 2009 11:56 AM:
"Why has, all of a sudden, the hateful rhetoric spewed at the president by the public become so offensive? During the last administration it was viewed as sport."
No way! Bush was not attacked with such HATE and offensive name calling as President Obama receives today, when only in office a few months. There's just so much more HATE speech towards this president. I ask you, Cogito... Why? "
Cogito wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:35 AM:
wtf wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:39 AM:
HR 1207 (Audit the Fed) Hearing, 9-25-09 at 9:00
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=25552 "
mike wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:35 AM:
wtf wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:27 AM:
The current "debate" about "race" is a red herring and is being employed ***only*** to get people off track.
O'Bushma are two peas in a pod...look a little closer and you'll see the resemblance in their administrative policies.
I lost sight of any external color and/or appearance of these politicos a lo-o-o-o-ong time ago. The only color I'm following with regard to ANY of them, is the color green....as in:
FOLLOW THE MONEY. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:44 PM:
" Why has, all of a sudden, the hateful rhetoric spewed at the president by the public become so offensive? During the last administration it was viewed as sport. "
Before you go wrapping yourself in the flag of righteousness, you might recall that your side called it treason.
In any case, no one here is questioning your right to dissent, we are just questioning your motive. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:40 PM:
Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM:
(Africans) may not have evolved as far as the rest of the world. "
Leonard wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:36 PM:
Brian wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:22 PM:
The term "Ni#&er Rigged" is no longer acceptable. Effective immediately it will now be referred to as a "Presidential Solution"
Racist Republicans? Surely you jest! "
Gator wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:22 PM:
Democrats what Bush got only nastier.. Beck and Limbaugh bring back the
Days of Herman Goring and Joseph Gobles two of Hitler’s finest …You people had better learn to work together and forget the conservative/Liberal
B/S or America will turn into a 3rd World country… “In our time political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible.” George Orwell… "
Cogito wrote on Sep 22, 2009 6:25 PM:
sam wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:09 PM:
wtf wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:58 PM:
Warrior4Life wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:48 AM:
catscradle wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:35 AM:
wtf wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:49 AM:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=25512 "
wtf wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:40 AM:
"Obama....What's in a name?
That which we call a Bush
By any other name would smell as foul." LOL! "
CaPatriot wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:23 AM:
Warrior4Life wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:08 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:42 AM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:35 AM:
I recall the 60s when the young generation then was espousing peace, love and incense to take the place of violence and divisive behavior. Where are those people now? Squarely in the sights of those who also claim to be "beyond race" in their thinking.
No, these types of human traits are slow to change, if they ever change at all. Racism is deeply ingrained and will take many (MANY) generations before it is eliminated, if that is at all possible.
The point now is to be able to truly identify racism from differing opinions. But even now this isn't the real problem. What we're witnessing is a political environment that is actually using the idea of racism to further their agenda. So what's worse, true racism or feigned accusations used to enact legislation? "
gcamp wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:25 AM:
sparky595 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:43 AM:
Is anyone calling obama racist for telling NY Governor Patterson (a black man) not to run for re-election in favor of Cuomo (a white man). obama knows Patterson doesn't have the support to win, so to preserve a democrat as gov., obama wants Cuomo to run. If a white president tried this, well you know what would happen. The liberals will only cry racism when it helps them or hurts the conservative party, not one of their own. "
t jefferson wrote on Sep 22, 2009 6:41 AM:
Warrior4Life wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:53 AM:
Well, I guess that just clears the air Mr. Heath. Most of us got out of Pelosi's comment that we still have yet to accept members of our society that are "different" politically, culturally, and by how we choose to live our own private lives. For a minute there, I thought you were insinuating that what was really meant was that she was accusing people who don't agree with the Obama administration's policies as being racist too. Wow, now that would have been a real bomb-throwing itself. But you are professional and unbiased enough not to do that; Right? "
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