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Prayer debate continues as council prepares to vote

By Maggie Creamer
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:26 AM PDT

After months of debate, rallies and even national attention, the Lodi City Council will tackle on Wednesday the issue of whether to continue prayers before council meetings.

The council has dedicated an entire special meeting to the issue. The 6:30 p.m. meeting was moved to Hutchins Street Square to accommodate what is expected to be a large crowd.

The council is having the meeting because of a letter it received in May from the Madison, Wis.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation threatening to sue if the council did not enforce its own policy limiting prayers to "non-sectarian and non-denominational." The letter specifically mentioned 39 references to Jesus in 55 prayers the group watched online.

Lodi is not the first California city to be challenged on the issue of prayers before meetings. Tehachapi, Turlock and Tracy also received letters from the group asking them to modify the cities prayer policies.

On Monday, five councilmembers in Tehachapi voted unanimously to not put limits on what religious leaders say during prayers.

Linda Vernon started the prayers in the city, which is east of Bakersfield, when she became mayor in January. She decided to start the religious expression after seeing it done in other cities and at the state and federal level.

"It adds a whole respectful decorum to the meeting itself," Vernon said.

The city will continue with secular prayers, Vernon said, because it is a freedom of speech issue.

"It's also a deeply personal issue because people of faith want to seek the guidance and wisdom of a higher being," she said.

She believes the city is following what is required by law, and said she hopes the group will not pursue legal action.

"I don't want to increase any additional level of expenses for my city, but it's a basic human right we have," Vernon said.

On Sept. 16, Tracy decided not to change its official policy that allows speakers to say what they want during prayers, according to an article in the Tracy Press. Instead, the city will send out letters to those who sign up, asking them to limit what they say during their prayers, which would include dropping references to Jesus Christ.

On Tuesday, the Turlock City Council unanimously approved a policy it received from the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian-based organization, that still allows religious leaders to say what they want during the invocation, City Manager Roy Wasden said.

About a dozen residents showed up to voice their opinions, Wasden said, and all but two or three were supportive.

What will happen in Lodi?

In Lodi, the council could possibly decide on a policy Wednesday after hearing feedback from the public.

The city is expecting a large crowd — the August meeting attracted 400 people who gathered for a prayer meeting near Carnegie Forum, and a couple dozen joined together for a counter rally.

Possible prayer policies

Praying before the Lodi City Council meetings is not a cut-and-dried issue.

In a city staff report, City Attorney Steve Schwabauer outlined several invocation policies the council could adopt Wednesday night. The meeting will be 6:30 p.m. at Hutchins Street Square.

Here are the possibilities he included:

1) The council could remove the invocations from the agenda, although the city could not censor or prohibit prayers during public comment.

2) Individual or multiple council members could have a private prayer prior to the meeting.

3) The council could continue the city's existing policy, but prayer proponents might challenge the practice as censorship of free speech.

4) Allow uncensored invocations, but Schwabauer recommended that if the council chooses that option it combine it with some additional measures to prevent any inferences that one religion is favored over another.

Some of those possible additions include:

— Requiring the invocations to take place before the meeting is called to order.
— Continuing to encourage all religions to participate, or add a disclaimer to the agenda saying all prayers are not an endorsement of a particular religion or belief.
— Allowing Lodi religious leaders who live in Lodi but commute elsewhere to their house of worship to still give prayers at the council meetings. For example, Sikh temples and Jewish synagogues are not located in Lodi's city limits.
— Opening the opportunity to non-religious groups and calling it a "Call to Civic Responsibility."
— Add a clause prohibiting any prayers that convert or demean a particular religious belief.

Schwabauer also mentioned that the Alliance Defense Fund has offered a model prayer policy, which was adopted in Turlock. If the council accepts the policy, the fund has offered to defend the city for free against any suits in court.

But Schwabauer said he does not recommend adopting the model policy because it would have to be adopted verbatim and the offer does not cover indemnity, which is the court-required cost of paying the plaintiff's attorney fees if the city loses.

Also, the city would have to hand over its legal strategy to the fund, Schwabauer said.

But an attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund said he hopes the council will consider the offer because they have been fighting these types of court cases throughout the United States for years.

ADF attorney Mike Johnson said no non-profit would cover a city's indemnity or take a case where they didn't have control of the legal decisions. He also said that councils make changes to the policies all the time, and the fund will still defend the cities if the fund approves of the changes.

Regardless, he said the fund will have a good chance of winning if the case were to go to court.

"It's a real shame to silence the first amendment and give up this cherished tradition because someone decides they are offended by it," Johnson said.

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Lodi United, a group against prayers at council meetings, will hold another rally Wednesday from 5:30 p.m. until the meeting starts at 6:30 p.m. at Hutchins Street Square, said group founder David Diskin.

"We are hoping that the outcome will be that the city sees this as an opportunity to support tolerance and unity, and do away with a public prayer or make it a moment of silence," Diskin said.

Diskin said his group has grown from a grassroots organization of mainly non-believers to a group with people from many religions and denominations.

He has met with leaders of a Seventh-day Adventist congregation, rabbis from Stockton and leaders from the Lodi Mosque, who have been "extremely supportive of what we are doing," Diskin said.

The newly formed group Citizens for Uncensored Prayer is planning to make comments at the meeting, but no rally is planned for beforehand, founder Ken Owen said. Owen also leads the group Christian Community Concerns, which previously spoke out against gambling.

The coalition of local organizations, pastors, attorneys and citizens would like to see the council continue allowing free speech, Owen said.

When the council makes its decision, he would like the members to consider if the final decision honors God, upholds the Constitution, evens out the playing field for everyone, treats everyone fair and equal, and doesn't limit freedom of speech.

"The final decision that the council makes cannot be made out of concern of offending someone," Owen said. "It has to be in the best interest of the council and all the citizens of the city."

The national group The Pray In Jesus Name Project led the rally in August, but its leader, Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt, said he is not planning another rally on Wednesday.

While the Colorado resident cannot attend the meeting because he will be taking exams for his theology doctorate, he sent out 900 faxes to local churches encouraging them to go.

Klingenschmitt says his organization is raising money to pay for $7,000 in expenses from the August rally and another $10,000 to contribute to any attorney fees the city could be required to pay if it went to court and lost.

His Web site says the group is at $4,500, but he said that number is outdated. He would not say how much the group has raised.

He also did not have a list of expenses for the August rally, but said the money went to pay for the sound system, insurance and advertising the rally. He said his staff volunteered its time to plan the event and were not paid.

"Our non-profit is running on a shoe string. It's not profitable; I'm personally losing money on this fight," he said.

During the August rally, many of Lodi's local clergy did not attend. Owen said his group has not been as vocal in public, but instead has been working with the council members and City Attorney Steve Schwabauer.

Klingenschmitt raised awareness about the issue, Owen said, but in the process, he isolated some of the local clergy and the councilmembers.

"We do not want to vilify the city council. But it seems like that was (the group's) intent, because they didn't know that the city council wasn't the villain," Owen said. "The Freedom From Religion Foundation is the one pushing the envelope."

The foundation could not be reached for further comment Friday afternoon.

Contact reporter Maggie Creamer at maggiec@lodinews.com or read her blog City Buzz.

Reader Feedback

DeltaCoach wrote on Sep 29, 2009 5:21 AM:

" There are two things that bother me about city council and prayer...1)Lodi residents are being asked to pay for old plumbing for older houses when water meters are put in; waste is hiking fees and the electric company for Lodi also want to raise rates. I would like to see a debate of prayer end and a debate of city services and cost begin. 2)If this city council upholds a stance that the city of Lodi can be sued over, I hope that the cost of that multi-million dollar lawsuit is divided evenly for those involved to personally pay the lawsuit--who should be the city council members and those writing comments here for prayer to be upheld. If the council upholds a stance on prayer, which has nothing to do with city government and it gets slapped with a lawsuit, and in the end I, as a resident of Lodi, winds up having to pay for the lawsuit...I will be at every city council meeting raising all kinds of hell and it will be my mission to make sure every council member no longer has a seat at the table. "

Uncle Stinky wrote on Sep 28, 2009 9:36 PM:

" I like that Lodi news this "the villain Owen " It is spot on. "

David Nielsen wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:30 AM:

" And whatever happened to the separation of Church and State anyway? "

David Nielsen wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:26 AM:

" Why does a prayer have to be lead? Prayer is a personal or public communion with a higher power.

Why can't the meeting open with a moment of silence so everyone can pray personally to however they wish for guidance?

How does the City get caught up in these things?? LOLOL "

snowridah wrote on Sep 28, 2009 12:30 AM:

" I'm very interested to see how this turns out. I feel people of all faiths should be able to pray, on their own time. If you need religious guidance to make it through a City Council meeting, set aside a few minutes for YOURSELF before the meeting begins. We live in America, where you are free to live a life without any religious pressures of any kind. It seems like a great opportunity to show how respectful we are of the diverse religious population in our town. But of course, Christians are claiming we're "silencing thier voice". There is no need for any kind of religion in government. People should make civic decisions based on common sense and reasoning, religious guidance should not be required. The real tragedy is that this is the only national press Lodi has received since our run in with terrorists. Any one paying attention must think Lodi is a backwards, close-minded place. They're probably right, too... "

Leonard wrote on Sep 27, 2009 6:13 PM:

" The local rabbi said it best. The business of the City Council has nothing to do with God. "

Mystery girl wrote on Sep 27, 2009 3:52 PM:

" I think Prayer is a positive step.
It harms no one and rather helps others to feel they are making a worthwhile contribution whilst being guided by someone whom they believe can make a difference. Do they really need a debate
about prayers? No! Let them pray and get on with the important decisions.

MG. "

Observer wrote on Sep 27, 2009 1:54 PM:

" I wish as many people concerned about prayer before council meetings would be just as concerned and involved in City budgets. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:33 AM:

" dogs4you wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 PM:

"Prayer is a false sense of security and gives strength to weak people."


If that is what you think, you must be doing it wrong.

:) "

Leonard wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:32 AM:

" I am kind of intrigued by the current LNS campaign to legitimize Ken Owen. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:27 PM:

" dogs4you wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 PM:

"Prayer is a false sense of security and gives strength to weak people."

We're all weak at some point. "

MEP wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:03 PM:

" Klingenschmitt - "He also did not have a list of expenses for the August rally, but said the money went to pay for the sound system, insurance and advertising the rally." For this he needed $7,000??? I was there. 1) That broken guitar amp (sound system) looked like it came out of someone's basement. 2) His advertising through a Facebook fanpage was free, as was his publicity on FAUX News. 3) Special Event insurance on public property? Well, someone else can price that, it's certainly way under $1,000. 4) I have no idea how much it costs to hire people to speak in tounges, but I'd guess it's comparable to a pack of Slim Jims. So, who's non-profit? "

wtf wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:59 PM:

" Here we go again.....(sigh) "

dogs4you wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 PM:

" Prayer is a false sense of security and gives strength to weak people. "

alf wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:26 AM:

" i pray that the city council makes the right decision. just use the moment of silence. all those who get offended at this point in time need to just think about furry animals or maybe their vacation. give it break already. or maybe you can just leave the meeting. get out. get out now. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:13 AM:

" There is so much time and money being spent on this issue. Perhaps the city could find better use for these funds and their time. The city of Lodi could certainly use a few things right now. For Pete's sake, pray on your own and get back to city business. "

davidd wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Ken Owen said, "The final decision that the council makes cannot be made out of concern of offending someone."

Ken Owen's group and the Alliance Defense Fund are perfectly okay using a government forum to offend people of other faiths and beliefs.

How does this fit into the purpose of a city council meeting, partially paid for by the very same people that are being offended? "

davidd wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:02 AM:

" For those interested in supporting tolerance and unity, please visit http://www.LodiUnited.org. "

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