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Newspapers are struggling in part because they embrace a liberal bias


Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:48 AM PDT

The discontinuation of Lodi High School's newspaper, The Flame, raises important questions about why so few students take journalism classes and why the profession's future is so uncertain.

The Flame's demise parallels the general decline in print journalism. Budgets are tight, and readership has transferred its allegiance to the Internet and 24-hour cable television news programming.

Young readers have largely abandoned newspapers. Keeping up with breaking events on Blackberries or iPhones is more timely and convenient.

Although advances in technology are beyond the control of the mainstream journalism industry, many newspapers do their best to adjust to the changing conditions. The Lodi News-Sentinel, for example, posts Twitter updates throughout the day. Other newspapers have added regular blog features.

Newspapers, however, should look deep within themselves to understand why they have fallen so out of favor with the public.

For years, a central question has been whether newspapers have a liberal bias. And although some editors and publishers dispute the charge that their leaning is to the left, all indications are otherwise.

Americans' perception of the national media as too biased and too liberal have grown significantly over the past two decades.

During the last 25 years, since the "People and the Press" polls began routinely assessing the public's perceptions of the national media, the percentage of Americans who perceive a liberal bias has doubled from 22 percent to 45 percent, nearly half the adult population. Even Democrats now freely admit that the press is a liberal entity.

By the mid-1990s, the same survey found that the American public had become more critical of press practices, less enthusiastic about the news product and less appreciative of the watchdog role the media plays than it historically had been.

Concurrent with the "People and the Press" survey, the American Society for Newspaper Editors launched a project to improve the credibility of newspapers and journalism, but found three-fourths of the public (78 percent) agreed that the media is biased.

When asked specifically about the slant of their hometown newspaper, nearly half of the respondents (47 percent) said their local paper is more liberal than they are.

The logical outcome when corporations offer a product for sale that their audience doesn't appreciate is that the clients go elsewhere. That transition takes place over time. At first, readers continue to subscribe to follow local sports and obituaries, and collect the weekly coupons. But eventually, they leave.

Look at the major California dailies, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, the San Diego Union-Tribune and the Sacramento Bee. All are unfailingly liberal, but are also hemorrhaging circulation and red ink.

Some might argue that the cities those newspapers represent are overwhelmingly Democratic. As a result, the debate might conclude that papers are giving readership exactly what it wants.

But while it's true that big cities vote Democratic, more conservative Republicans poll nearly 40 percent in most elections.

When over time you lose 40 percent of your customer base, you'll go out of business.

Analyzing the quality of newspaper coverage becomes more complex, because although readers have consistently criticized the end product, the majority of reporters remain convinced that they do a good job of presenting the facts in a fair and balanced manner.

If you doubt that most reporters are not pleased with themselves, then log onto any of their self-serving Web sites like the Society of Professional Journalists. You'll find that they give dozens of awards to each other all year long for the "outstanding" contributions they make to their profession.

In most businesses, the customer is always right. But while newspapers pay lip service to their readers (many have ombudsmen or readers' representatives), they march to their own drummer.

The crucial question some newspapers should ask is whether they react to their readers' opinions with quiet contempt.

The sad answer for too many is "yes."

Joe Guzzardi retired from the Lodi Unified School District in 2008. He has been writing opinion columns for San Joaquin Valley-based newspapers for nearly 25 years. Contact him at guzzjoe@yahoo.com.

Reader Feedback

Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2009 11:38 AM:

" Brian wrote "Yet another attempt by Lodian to further her thinking about me. Whatever turns her on."

Brian went on to say "I don't have any proof that Lodian is not a 400 pound tub of lard."


I guess 400 pound tubs o' lard turn Brian on. lol! "

Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2009 8:22 AM:

" And I don't have any proof that Lodian is not a 400 pound tub of lard. "


I'm right here. Take a look. lol! "

dyan wrote on Sep 4, 2009 11:10 AM:

" Keep up the good work, Joe. "

Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2009 8:22 AM:

" And I don't have any proof that Lodian is not a 400 pound tub of lard. "

Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 3, 2009 7:44 PM:

" dyan wrote on Sep 2, 2009 4:51 PM:

" You're right, Lodian. He is capable of fighting his own battles. "


That has not been proven. "

-Yet another attempt by Lodian to further her thinking about me. Whatever turns her on. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 3, 2009 7:44 PM:

" dyan wrote on Sep 2, 2009 4:51 PM:

" You're right, Lodian. He is capable of fighting his own battles. "


That has not been proven. "

dyan wrote on Sep 2, 2009 4:53 PM:

" I'm not going to open that can of worms again, Lodian. But the fact that you boldly declare "I am not a racist" still says you have some soul searching to do. "

dyan wrote on Sep 2, 2009 4:51 PM:

" You're right, Lodian. He is capable of fighting his own battles. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 2, 2009 4:40 PM:

" No worries. I don't ever "fret". :-) "

Cogito wrote on Sep 2, 2009 3:01 PM:

" Lodian, don't fret, I back off a lot on you too;-) "

Lodian wrote on Sep 2, 2009 10:20 AM:

" Again, dyan runs to the defense of Brian. Isn't that sort of emasculating for a man? lol! It's just like dyan to make an accusation without backing it up. Hit and run, dyan. "

dyan wrote on Sep 2, 2009 7:36 AM:

" Lodian is not a racist? I don't think we'll go there on this trip. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 1, 2009 5:46 PM:

" Brian: The difference between you and I is that I don't cuss and threaten people, nor am I a racist. So you see, Brian, no one feels the need to blast me simply for sharing my opinion (or an opposing opinion).... unless of course they have a lack of integrity like you. Simply put, Brian, you don't get respect because you don't show respect. That's got to be tough on you. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 1, 2009 5:31 PM:

" Brian: Thanks for the compliment. "

Brian wrote on Sep 1, 2009 3:59 PM:

" " I'm curious... Why do voter and Bob ignore Lodian's rude and crazy rantings/attacks while blasting the behavior of others on these blogs? Obviously, Bob is in support of whatever Lodian says (chuckle), but Leonard? ...this disappoints me. " "

Lodian wrote on Sep 1, 2009 2:15 PM:

" I'm curious... Why do dyan and Cogito ignore Brian's rude and crazy rantings/attacks while blasting the behavior of others on these blogs? Obviously, dyan is in support of whatever Brian says (chuckle), but Cogito? ...this disappoints me. "

dyan wrote on Sep 1, 2009 1:55 PM:

" Glad you're finding some peace, Bob. "Kum ba ya, my Lord, Kum ba yaaaaa." "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 1, 2009 8:45 AM:

" Bryan, you're the one making phallic comparisons to my cranial region. Perhaps all your personalities should have a meeting and coordinate the "attack" so it isn't quite so pathetic. "

dyan wrote on Sep 1, 2009 8:27 AM:

" Bob: Have you thought about anger management? Libs are supposed to be tolerant and compassionate -remember? "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 1, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Brian eloquently responded: "As for your condescending remarks, I shouldn't expect anything adult like
from a D#$KHEAD like you."

Bryan, you make this sooooooo easy. "

Brian wrote on Sep 1, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Hugh Hewitt often describes the people
like Bob and voter as "Nutters" because they don't want to engage in a philisophical debate on a blogg. All they want to do is create havoc on the blogg. "

Brian wrote on Sep 1, 2009 8:01 AM:

" Bob,

Anytime you want to have a philisophical debate let me know.
FYI,
Even key Democrats are now distancing themselves from Obamacare. They have good reason to. Their elders stand to lose out most if this passes. Not that you care if medicare gets the shaft.

As for your condescending remarks, I shouldn't expect anything adult like
from a D#$KHEAD like you. Uh oh, I hear lodian coming to save you. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 31, 2009 9:23 PM:

" I hear ya Cog. For you, I will try to do better. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 31, 2009 7:22 PM:

" Bob. it's just that you usually do a lot better. Whatever, just bring something more "Bob Bitchin" next time, like the old days. "

voter wrote on Aug 31, 2009 6:37 PM:

" What Bob said. LOL! "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 31, 2009 5:41 PM:

" No no little Bryan, not until you watch your poster girl Betsy on The Daily Show. The interview is much longer than your attention span, so maybe take a milk and cookies break every three to five minutes. A little napsky afterward will make it all less scary.

You do all that, then come back to the grown ups for some big-word talk.... "

Brian wrote on Aug 31, 2009 4:53 PM:

" Bob,

Are you capable of any philisophical thought on Obama Care? So far you haven't contributed any so far. I'm begining to think Elmo DOES have a better take on Obama care than you and Jon combined. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 31, 2009 11:14 AM:

" Cogito - I gotta keep it so the Bryans of the world can understand it.

Did Obama appoint you as Rebuttal Czar? Interesting choice.... "

Gator wrote on Aug 31, 2009 10:08 AM:

" “So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.”
"George Orwell" "

Cogito wrote on Aug 31, 2009 9:21 AM:

" Bob, your rebuttal style has become very weak of late. You sound like a little kid on the playground whose only comeback is "oh yeah!". "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 31, 2009 9:11 AM:

" Bryan - I wouldn't have expected to watch the segment. Way too far over your head. Maybe if Elmo had interviewed Betsy on Sesame Street you might have had a chance (a small chance) at comprehending. "

Brian wrote on Aug 31, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 31, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Billy asked Brian: "Did you watch the segments Brian?"

A simple "no" would have sufficed Bryan. "

-I'm glad to see you understand that Jon Stewart isn't exactly a person we can trust to get the story right. You're coming around Bob.:) "

Brian wrote on Aug 31, 2009 8:50 AM:

" Billy wrote:

Remember, when people like you repeat lies, Jerome R. Kinderman says you are being either ignorant or dishonest.

-On this issue of Betsy, this doesn't apply to me. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 31, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Billy asked Brian: "Did you watch the segments Brian?"

A simple "no" would have sufficed Bryan. "

Brian wrote on Aug 31, 2009 8:12 AM:

" This is the ongoing problem with the left. They commonly use people with little, if any integrity or credibility
to interview people with a lot of integrity and credibility. Doesn't make any sense. But when was the last time the left made any sense? "

Brian wrote on Aug 31, 2009 8:07 AM:

" Billy wrote:

Did you watch the segments Brian? There's no need for you to post anything else in her defense until you do.

-If it was somebody with some integrity doing the interview then I might need to defend Betsy. It's quite clear that Jon's approach was the typical style a leftist liberal uses when they don't have a leg to stand on. What part of the
report from the Congressional Budget Office about the bill do you find to be a lie? Perhaps you should take it up with them. All Betsy has been doing is reporting their findings. You and Jon are wasting your time attacking the messenger. But then, that's what the left does so well. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 30, 2009 11:08 AM:

" So, Brian, did you watch the interview of your heroine Betsy on the Daily Show? (eternal thanks to Bob Loblaw for the tip _ I googled it; http://www.thedailyshow.com/videos/?term=Betsy+McCaughey ).

Did you watch the segments Brian? There's no need for you to post anything else in her defense until you do. Only after you see the extent of her dishonesty can you decide whether you wish to stupidly follow her lead. Remember, when people like you repeat lies, Jerome R. Kinderman says you are being either ignorant or dishonest. The choice is yours. "

Gator wrote on Aug 30, 2009 10:01 AM:

" Well Bob it’s hard to destroy something that wasn’t there in the first place..
she fell into the same trap Jim Cramer did. They simply let Stewart talk over, make jokes and continually interrupt and frustrate them That’s his
style…I like what Barney Frank said today, The right listen to talk radio
and the left go to the blogs and there is nothing in between. Compromise
Is the name of the game… "

Brian wrote on Aug 30, 2009 9:49 AM:

" That was Bob. "

Brian wrote on Aug 30, 2009 9:47 AM:

" Voter wrote:

Don't believe it Bryan?

-I don't put anything past Jon Stewart. But, you think he would be waking up too to this disaster called Obamacare. He prefers to advance lies EVEN though the Congressional Budget Office findings are conclusive that Obamacare costs too much and it will lead to many ederly dying because rationing will hit them hardest. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 30, 2009 9:44 AM:

" Hey, back to the subject, does anyone regularly watch the best news show on Sunday? I watch it every week. The panel includes weekly regulars Juan Williams and Mara Liasson from Voters favorite credible news source, NPR. "The most trusted news outlet in America" she called it. This week also included Bill Kristol from The Weekly Standard, and Bill Sammon, editor from the Washington bureau of Fox News. The show is called "Fox News Sunday". It's on, you know, the "fair and balanced" network. "

Brian wrote on Aug 30, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Bob,

And you're proud of your hero Jon Stewart. To be expected. Am I supposed to draw some conclusion that since Jon Stewart used his typical liberal attack tactics I am supposed to be convinced he's correct and Betsy's wrong? "

Cogito wrote on Aug 30, 2009 9:37 AM:

" Voter, the hospitalization was for acid reflux disease. I don't think insurance companies glean out those who have it. I had no problem getting life insurance after it happened. My drug abuse had no trail. Never a doctor visit, never a blood test, never a police bust. As far as any background check, I'm as clean as you or anyone else. My health today is awesome. Good blood pressure (110/80), low cholesterol (160ish), I could stand some weight loss, but I'm no Michael Moore or Ted Kennedy ( oh wait, that's right, the philandering, alcoholic, murderer has assumed dirt temperature). "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 29, 2009 8:31 PM:

" Jon Stewart DESTROYED Betsy McCaughey on his show a couple weeks ago.

Don't believe it Bryan? Go to The Daily Show website and watch it for yourself. No editing, no commentary, just Jon and Betsy. "

Brian wrote on Aug 29, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Well Billy,

Then what she quoted from the bill is wrong? Please tell us that your fact gathering has concluded that this bill won't cause rationing. Is the congressional budget office also wrong in their asessment that the bill is way too expensive? And does their access to the bill and it's contents differ with yours? Please tell us how your translation of the bill is right on tartget and you're appalled that the CBO has it so wrong. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 29, 2009 7:51 PM:

" Brian wrote on Aug 29, 2009 5:37 PM:"...[stupidity beyond redemption - edited for content]..."

Brian, do you even know who that McCaughey creature is? Do you know just what a tool she is? "

Brian wrote on Aug 29, 2009 5:37 PM:

" http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/steve_foley/2009/08/07/betsy_mccaughey_obamacare_vicious_assault_on_the_elderly

Betsy McCaughey appearing on the Fred Thompson Show and having actually read the bill… says ObamaCare™ is a “Vicious Assault on the Elderly”


-But Voter insists that those who don't want Obamacare are not compassionate.
But we won't get Voter to listen to this interivew because she only listens
to left wing politics and anything from the right wing is hogwash. And then she wonders why so many here view her positions so irrational. "

Gator wrote on Aug 29, 2009 9:28 AM:

" Same old jb you can’t make an intelligent argument on the main issue here
[I.e.] Left wing Bias in the News Print media. So you bring up Limbaugh
and fat alcoholic drug addicts. Well jb the older you get the more informed
you should be. It was announced yesterday that the administration is trying
to Cut 1.2 billion dollars from Medicare for Heart and Cancer treatment. It’s
out there . Do your research. oh well who wants to live for ever ?? At the rate Obama is going he will be another Jimmy Carter, gone in four… "

voter wrote on Aug 29, 2009 7:54 AM:

" Cog, I think you'd be singing a different tune if you ever lost your employer sponsored healthcare. It's doubtful you'd be able to purchase an equivalent plan on your own. Someone in their 50's with a history of longtime substance abuse, obesity, and whatever pre-existing condition caused you to rack up those enormous hospital bills a few years back is a bad risk for any insurance company. Good luck finding healthcare at any price. But then I guess it's what you believe you deserve, right? The poor health being the result of your own stupid behavior. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 29, 2009 7:51 AM:

" Bwahaha! - Cogito you actually GET IT! I am proud of you! Much better than Gator who is still in his drugged-like political haze. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 28, 2009 11:37 PM:

" JB, you brought up "rich, fat alcoholic , drug addicts"? Why did you have to drag the Kennedy's into this, while Uncle Teddy's body is barely in the ground? By the way, you left out "philandering, tax evading, murderers". Uncle Teddy would have never bought into the "public option" pertaining to his elitist, dysfunctional clan. That's for the commoners. "

Gator wrote on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Jb you just never learn. I’ve told you before I’m a Bluedog Democrat, always have been and always will be. That means I’m not a bleeding
heart Liberal. This is about Left wing Bias in the major news Networks
broadcast and Print. You got that so far. Not to deep for you is it..I
posted a link to the study. Lots of research, well written and to the point.
As for your research you missed ABC’s report on the French and they
pointed out that it’s the Best in the world(I Really have my doubts)…
Do I detect a little bit of Jealousy in your writing, it’s not nice to be
envious jb. Take a pill and have a nice night… "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 28, 2009 5:49 PM:

" You guys... heartless Rush Limbaugh Wannabees! There is no story I have seen that paints the French, Canadian or British system as "Glorious" and I have gone to the effort to research these facts. All have been shown to be adequate for 90% of the population. For most Americans, that is enough. For the rich, fat, alcoholic drug addicts (mentioned above) it will not work. They expect every useless test no matter what the cost. Hey, if you can afford it, why not come to America? Many of the foreign doctors come here, too. We have all these exclusive little health resorts for anyone rich enough to afford it. Good for the Rich and ex-government employees. Now can we deal with everyone else please? "

Gator wrote on Aug 28, 2009 7:34 AM:

" Cogito, Tom Sullivan is right on the money. There is no free lunch and the
cost in the long run will be prohibitive. That is why Peter Jennings Mother
Came down to the US from Canada for her medical treatment. Yet the press
paints a glorious picture of government health care. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:58 PM:

" Gator, on the Tom Sullivan show today, he reported that a doctor has made a commercial that states the inferiority of socialized medicine, why we need to reject it, and the unhappiness of the Canadians and British with their health care. Two of the major networks have refused to air it, even though it's completely factual. Sullivan also mentioned that there are 3 cancer drugs that have been proven to work, yet are illegal and unavailable in the UK due to their high costs. They are forcing their citizens to DIE of a potentially curable disease to save money. Something we have to look forward to, I guess, if Obama gets his way. No wonder the liberal leaning AARP is turning on him. "

Gator wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:03 PM:

" Hey Porky Just what stat’s are you talking about ?? "

Gator wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 PM:

" Name one Major News Paper. I guess you might because only 18 out of 20
were notably left of Center.. And it’s not the WSJ, only their op-ed Page is
Conservative…NBC Has surpassed CBS as a total left leaning Network
and their Cable affiliate MSNBC is solidly in the Obama Camp.. Remember
Chris Matthews said he got a tingle running up and down his leg every time
Obama spoke.. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:12 PM:

" How can the newspaper take all the stupid republican conservative's money if they don't publish something that makes them start arguing? If I was a newspaper, I would be liberal-leaning, too. And laugh all the way to the bank!! "

CrispyBacon wrote on Aug 27, 2009 3:16 PM:

" While "conservative Republicans poll nearly 40 percent in most elections" that doesn't mean 40 percent of a paper's readership is republican, so that's a moot point...

If you're going to throw stats at your readers, don't try and skew them to fit your opinion... "

Gator wrote on Aug 27, 2009 2:03 PM:

" What is considered the first real in-depth Study of the media Bias was done
By a UCLA political scientist Professor and a Economist from the University of Missouri. Of the 20 leading major Newspapers 18 registered
left of center. Here is a link to the report .. http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664 "

Cogito wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:15 AM:

" Oldmanriver, maybe the perception of the liberal bias in media is based on the fact that anyone with an ounce of reasoning skills can spot it. I'm sorry you seem to come up at least an ounce short. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 26, 2009 8:14 PM:

" Well said OldManRiver. The entire premise of this article is based on excerpts from the News Clowns. Old Man Guzzardi hasn't ever had an original idea. "

stantaves wrote on Aug 26, 2009 6:54 PM:

" Once again, LNS is alive and well, so celebrate -- LNS owes some its success to you faithful bloggers. "

oldmanriver wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:08 PM:

" Maybe the increase in perception of the liberal media is a result of the targeted marketing of one particular network, and the polarization they feel makes up the appetite of their viewers. If journalism is about the truth, and one network that calls themselves conservative is the one leading the charge against "the liberal media" (their competition). Isn't the slant argument like the pot calling the kettle black.
Yes, I am talking about FOX news targeting and holding a monopoly on "conservative" ("news") sic. This entertainment group will be the first to tell you that the facts are up to interpretation, and they will do the interpreting. "

sooziesdad wrote on Aug 26, 2009 1:11 PM:

" Liberal Bias. Hardy har har. I swear if you aren't to the right of Fox News or Rush, you are a screaming liberal. LNS is pretty darn conservative. Actually, it could use some more balance.

BTW, Joe's gotta go. He abandoned Lodi long ago, and yet he is so bitter he can only lob shots from Pittsburg,PA. Hey Joe go have Yinglings with the other old farts out there. "

Lodian wrote on Aug 26, 2009 11:39 AM:

" jbhiker wrote on Aug 25, 2009 2:47 PM:

" Brian - do you have a Banjo? "


LOL! He's still looking. :-) "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 25, 2009 3:35 PM:

" Heheh "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 25, 2009 2:47 PM:

" Brian - do you have a Banjo? "

Brian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 1:50 PM:

" way behind in substance. sorry "

Brian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 1:49 PM:

" Lodian wrote:

Yes, Bryan, you supply plenty of material. ;-) "

-As far a substance goes, you're way us all in this dept. As for digressions, well, unfortunately. YOU LEAD us all. :) "

Lodian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 PM:

" ...and counting. :-) "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 25, 2009 12:55 PM:

" 11 posts in a row have absolutely nothing to do with the Article - did they film Deliverance on the Mokelumne river? "

Lodian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Bryan wrote "You have a habit of using my moments when I digress..."

LOL! I couldn't write this stuff any better! Yes, Bryan, you supply plenty of material. ;-) "

Lodian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:10 AM:

" Bryan wrote "Your skeletons are oveflowing in your closet."

Ooooo..... Intriguing... do tell! Hurry! lol! "

Lodian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:07 AM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM:

" This is a joke, right??? "

Nope, Bryan often acts like a complete nut around here. ;-) "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM:

" This is a joke, right??? "

Brian wrote on Aug 25, 2009 7:46 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 1:22 PM:

" Brian: Now you are re-posting what another blogger spewed from over a month ago on an unrelated blog? LOL! I've got a few juicy blogs saved too, Brian. Shall we dance? "

-You don't have any room to talk. You have a habit of using my moments when I
digress, and it's been a long long time, as a way to bring attention away from the issue or the debate. So don't go play self-righteous. Your skeletons are oveflowing in your closet. :) "

Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 11:39 PM:

" Sorry about that goof, Gator. My limo was late picking me up for a fabulous soiree and I was a bit distracted. "

Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 11:32 PM:

" Oopsie... my goof. Sorry, Gator. jbhiker is the one that said, "The invasion of the computer is a serious issue for newspaper organizations...".

My apologies. "

stantaves wrote on Aug 24, 2009 11:22 PM:

" IT AINT EASY OUT THERE! LNS is doing better than most -- be grateful for God's sake. "

Gator wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:37 PM:

" I said what ??????????????????????????? "

Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 8:43 PM:

" "soiree"

LOL! ;-) "

Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 8:42 PM:

" Gator wrote "The invasion of the computer is a serious issue for newspaper organizations..."

I welcome the invasion. "

Gator wrote on Aug 24, 2009 6:39 PM:

" The Idaho Statesman a McClatchy paper is now being published by the Idaho Press Tribune a conservative paper. It was done to keep the Statesman in business in this Red State and to have two points of view
and to save Jobs… "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:52 PM:

" Good points Cogito. Especially the ad revenue. Wasn't there a poll where most people get their news from The Daily Show in 2004? The invasion of the computer is a serious issue for newspaper organizations and their "slow-moving, over the hill" management style has them all scrambling. Your point about fact ignoring writers is perfect for this article as well. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:37 PM:

" Brian, why the personal attacks? I blog right before I go to bed on many nights due to the lack of interference by all those noise making, space stealing, miscreants that cohabit my abode. The time someone blogs has no bearing on their social calendar. In fact, Lodian may be attending a soiree every night of the week, and only has time to check in after the limo drops her off at home. We'll never know. So don't assume the negative;-) "

Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:03 PM:

" " Absolutely unbelievable!! "


Indeed. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:03 PM:

" NWS hasn't been a stellar stock over the last few years, but it's creamed MNI. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:40 PM:

" My guess is that during this administration and Congress, we will see skyrocketing numbers of people turning to conservative sources for their news and opinion. Unless liberals like Harry Reid get their way and trample all over the First Amendment in order to stifle opposing points of view. "

Cogito wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:33 PM:

" Here's something that may be being ignored (my apologies if someone already brought it up). Newspapers have historically received a significant amount of operating income from things like classified ads. That area of publishing commerce has been highly impacted from such things as "Craigslist", and "EBay". That being said, one cannot ignore the failures of non public funded liberal radio, and the success of conservatives there. Conservative talk shows on cable television continue to trounce the competition. Newspapers, like the Sacramento Bee, have continued to lean more and more left, much to their demise. The Bee dropped top notch conservative columnist Pete Dexter to hire fact ignoring fiction writer, and serial plagiarizer, Diana Griego Irwin. Moves like that have served to turn off their readership. There's no way anyone could say that Irwin was anything near the writing talent that Dexter was. It was obviously personal, and it obviously cost them customers. "

trackback wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:17 PM:

" Gray cloud. Excellent point "

Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 1:22 PM:

" Brian: Now you are re-posting what another blogger spewed from over a month ago on an unrelated blog? LOL! I've got a few juicy blogs saved too, Brian. Shall we dance? "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 24, 2009 10:32 AM:

" I partially agree, Bob. Coupons comes to mind. I think people will gladly pay for something if it is worth it. I partnered with a newspaper in the early 90's to write an interface to their publishing computer so they could be on the Internet. I spent a great deal of time thinking about this issue. At that time, I never imagined a kitchen table without a newspaper. But today - our computer sits on the kitchen table instead.
Older people seem to be more comfortable with their papers and that is lucky for the Newspapers. As time goes on though, goodbye newspapers. And if the coupon guys figure out how to deliver them via Internet, it will come much sooner. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:52 AM:

" You guys may be over thinking this. I believe most people prefer to get their news online because it is FREE. Why pay a spendy newspaper subscription when information is available gratis from multiple sources, with any slant on it you want? Simple... "

wtf wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Wow! If the MSM could do that, they’d probably improve readership and viewership; but I won’t be holding my breath. LOL! Speaking of using lies to invade other countries, here’s an excellent article using the fact that lies were used to start illegal wars, and, as a result, we, the American people, now knowing this fact, are no longer responsible for the debts incurred for this “war” thereby this could be used as the basis to “wipe out” our national debt.

http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/2009/08/wiping-out-americas-debt.html "

wtf wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:20 AM:

" The reason people are going to the internet, or other sources, for their news is the simple fact that the majority of Americans know when they're being LIED to and don't like it. We are, for the most part, big boys and girls who like to hear ALL sides of a given situation; who like to hear the FACTS and then decide for ourselves. Not too many like to be spoon fed PR propaganda for the administration (whoever they may be whether “left“ or “right“)…which is what the MSM “news” has become…a PR arm of the government.

Here’s a novel concept: If the MSM actually reported the facts in any given situation; reported in a truly objective manner without any “personal” commentary by the “reporters”; reported without any “spin” or outright blatant lies; just reported the facts that are known….no “speculation”….just the facts; then let the American people make a fully informed decision. "

wtf wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Joe wrote: "Newspapers...should look deep within themselves to understand why they have fallen so out of favor with the public....For years, a central question has been whether newspapers have a liberal bias. And although some editors and publishers dispute the charge that their leaning is to the left, all indications are otherwise."

Joe, the first part, above, where you suggest newspapers look within themselves as to why circulation has dropped, was right on the money; however, then you meandered off into questionable territory by stating the reason for failure was a liberal bias.

LOL! Why, why ***why*** did you write that?

Fact is, newspapers lost readers not due to either a liberal or a conservative bias...I mean, what? It was "liberal" for the MSM to lie about non-existent WMDs and help Jr. invade Iraq and Afghanistan?

No. "

Brian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 7:55 AM:

" It seems to me Jbhiker has a vested interest in keeping the presses rolling with liberal brainwashing articles and opeds that cater to the left. Haven't we had enough yellow journalism? Not according to Billy Rubin. His name says it all. "

Brian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 7:50 AM:

" Lou wrote on Jul 12, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Lodian:

Is there a name for the sickness that you display here? Although I have called it 'diarrhea of the keyboard' in the past...it certainly could be something else.

You are 26 out of 49 blogs on this subject; that's about 53% of all blogs [here] are YOURS. Most of the time your blogs come in at very late hours suggesting that you lead a very sad and lonely life.

Ironically, your prolific and gratuitous stupidity only increase(s) the total number of blogs, that in-turn raises the blog's profile and your idiotic verbal meanderings become more prominent to everyone. In other words, we see you for what you are. You usually have little to say but you burden us with your poverty of thought anyway.

Everyone blogging this paper deserves to be heard...but Lodian your cyber-footprint is so large (53%) of all blogs herewith that you restrict and discourage others who might have something intelligent to contribute to the dialogue. "

Brian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 7:37 AM:

" odian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:13 PM:

" Brian: Try arguing the topic instead of calling people names. "


-Hmm,
Coming from a person who rarely engages
in the argument but instead calls people
schoolyard names, Pot Kettle Black. "

Gator wrote on Aug 24, 2009 7:08 AM:

" Jb I could have guessed your response. You made a statement that Guzzardi
was a Lifetime public service employee . Wrong. You assumed something
that wasn’t true. Then you say well look at those companies they went broke
right?? You ought to try Politics you can spin with the best of them .Funny
thing about News papers be they Conservative or liberal they are old news.
they are good for local news and functions but that is all. The point here was
Guzzardi’s qualifications of which he was very successful, and to me more
than qualified to write an Op-Ed piece. As the Country is totally Centrist
politically tell me if you will just what has a left wing liberal or a Right wing Conservative ever done for the good of the People. Now that’s out
of the way I’m going to mow the lawn and go shoot a round of Sporting
Clays. "

Leonard wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:11 AM:

" The New York Times may be troubled but the right leaning New York Sun is history, as of a year ago.

Liberal newspapers are the main victims of the modern climate for the simple reason that most conservative newspapers died of disinterest years ago. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 23, 2009 11:26 PM:

" Gator said: twenty five years as Vice President of the Money Market Securities Department at Merrill Lynch.
You mean the company that recently went bankrupt and had to be bailed out by YOU and I before BankAmerica bought their securities for pennies on the dollar?

>>He also worked at the Seattle First National Bank as a Vice President in the Commercial Lending Division.
You mean the same SeaFirst that barely avoided bankruptcy in 1983 when BankAmerica bought them?

I am not sure I am going to eat any crow today. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 23, 2009 10:56 PM:

" Thanks Gator - I had no idea. "

Gator wrote on Aug 23, 2009 9:22 PM:

" Lifetime Public Service employee. Your kidding right jb.. You must have
Missed his twenty five years as Vice President of the Money Market Securities Department at Merrill Lynch. He also worked at the Seattle First National Bank as a Vice President in the Commercial Lending Division.
Then he ran his own restaurant business and after all that he came to Lodi
and taught ESL to adults from all over the world. So there is a small part
0f Joe Guzzardi a man that I seldom agreed with except on illegal Immigration, he’s right on with that.. Say jb Crow taste better if you eat it
while it’s still warm. The colder it gets the harder it is to swallow . "

Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:37 PM:

" Absolutely unbelievable!! "

Lodian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:13 PM:

" Brian: Try arguing the topic instead of calling people names. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Take a hike wrote:

One thing for sure, the people in charge of LNS are rolling in the floor, laughing! "

-I suggest you contact the LNS and ask them how much of an asset Joe is to their paper and you'd be surprised to find out just how much more he knows about the industry then your meally
mouth could ever comprhend. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 6:01 PM:

" JBhiker,

You're making a ridiculous argument.
Please tell us your take on newspapers
that are struggling so we can say you're not qualified to make an assessment. See how ridiculous it sounds.

Many people opine on things not based on their experience but just pure observation and research. If we were to advance your rationale then I'm sure YOU ARE not qualified to opine on alot of things too. Take a hike Mr. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 23, 2009 4:46 PM:

" Raise your hand if you think Joe Guzzardi, a lifetime public service employee has any clue how to manage a successful newspaper? Brian? Anyone? I need to know what I am working with here. One thing for sure, the people in charge of LNS are rolling in the floor, laughing! "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 23, 2009 3:55 PM:

" Brian: You need to go back to school and pay attention this time. "

Gator wrote on Aug 23, 2009 2:38 PM:

" One can go a little further and make the Claim if we hadn’t went in
to Iraq 4000+ good Americans would be alive, 36,000+ wouldn’t
have serious Mental health Problems and who knows how many
would still have their Face, arm’s and legs. Halliburton, KBR and
AIG wouldn’t be getting rich rebuilding Iraq on our dime while the
Iraqis Bank their money.. You think it Just might have been for oil after all, just maybe!! And we have accomplished what?? I believe it was the Saudi’s who were flying the planes, right.. and we left the Saudi’s alone right?? Think what all that money could have done here at home…Education, health Care, energy policy and a lot of Mothers and Fathers would be at home with their families
where they belong. A friend of my wife’s Son going Back for the 5th time while his wife is expecting. I hope he gets to see his new
Child… "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 1:15 PM:

" I like the Jim Lehrer Newshour. He's very fair in his reporting. Now, if he could embrace what Charles Krauthammer,
Hugh Hewitt, Rich Laury, and Bill Crystal have to say, it would have even more balanced. "

voter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 12:59 PM:

" We already have NPR which is the most trusted news outlet in America--it's funded with both public and private funds, but stations operate independently. Similar situation with PBS. "

Rhodie wrote on Aug 23, 2009 12:38 PM:

" Wow, here's a loaded question for all you bailout/healthcare/clunkers fans: If the Government were to spend as much money as they did on the auto industry on the national media would you be supportive of it? If the government started it's own newspaper in an effort to provide a cheaper alternative news source would you support it? "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 12:01 PM:

" Jb,

I was slinging mudd at you because you don't have the slightest idea how to respond to this issue. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 11:55 AM:

" Billy wrote:

Sorry your prejudice prevents your seeing that the two papers were, internet or not, competing on equal footing. The conservative Union failed. "

Your argument so full of flaws it looks lik swiss cheese. You have no proof that the union failed because of it's conservatism. You should expand your horizons beyond the Huffington Post
and Chris Matthews on PMSNBC. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 11:49 AM:

" Jb,

What part of my statement about Joe makes me a parrot?
Is it too much to ask that you provide us with a counter-argument that refutes my statement that
there is a lot more politicization of issues going on and Joe,(and a good many others understand this, except you of course)? "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 23, 2009 10:02 AM:

" I said: He still thinks the world is all about politics.
Brian said: Joe understands that there is much more politicization of issues
Well Brian, thanks for being a Parrot! I appreciate the Kudos. Brian want a cracker? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 23, 2009 9:56 AM:

" Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:05 AM:"-Back when the Union folded, very few people were on the internet as they are today. Your question really has no revelance to today."

Sorry your prejudice prevents your seeing that the two papers were, internet or not, competing on equal footing. The conservative Union failed. "

Gator wrote on Aug 23, 2009 9:54 AM:

" The Wall Street Journals editorial page is as conservative as they come but
the rest of the paper is even more liberal than the New York Times . Drudge
Is considered Conservative but leans left. PBS and National public Radio
are conservative compared to the rest of the main stream media.. This is
From a study in 2005 by a UCLA Political Scientist Tim Groseclose and
Co-Author Jeffery Milyo University of Missouri Economist and Public Policy scholar… "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Jbhiker wrote:

He still thinks the world is all about politics.

No Jb, Joe understands that there is much more politicization of issues than ever before. And it makes it all that more important there is a balanced view. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Thanks Joe for the great letter. Your assessment of this issue is spot on. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:11 AM:

" Central Valley wrote:

Democracy will not survive if the media is only here to support conservative group think.

-And Democracy will definately not survive if it is biased to the left and we do not have a balanced view. But that won't keep the left from trying to explain away the continued success of the Wall Street Journal. "

Brian wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:05 AM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:52 AM:

" If Joe's theory is true, why then did the conservative Sacramento Union fold and the liberal Bee continues? "

-Back when the Union folded, very few people were on the internet as they are today. Your question really has no revelance to today. "

gray cloud wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:23 AM:

" If news is news, why does reporting it have to be biased in either direction ? It sounds like everyone here is getting away from the point Joe is making. News is not being reported fairly and honestly. It is being spun, altered, and twisted. It wouldn't help if the spin were conservative either. Dishonest reporting is bad for either side. "

jbhiker wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:09 AM:

" Newspapers are losing readership because of a bunch of old farts running the newspapers. Newsflash Mr. Editor - the readership has changed. They are younger and use the Internet. And if you just copy the same thing to the Web version, they will go to a place that is more honest. Joe Guzzardi must be one of those old farts, too! He still thinks the world is all about politics. "

Lee wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:56 PM:

" "Bias has no place on the front Page above the fold"--Gator

I agree 100%, Gator. "

central valley wrote on Aug 22, 2009 5:00 PM:

" Not the liberal media canard again. So, by Joe's argumentation, if newspapers were more conservative they would still be thriving among our modern conveniences of internet, wi-fi, 24-hour cable tv news, etc. A more rightward tilt is all it takes to save newspapers!?!? What evidence does Joe provide that the corporate media are liberal? He cites public perceptions!?!?!

I would put forth that a good, worthwhile newspaper would challenge the status quo more frequently than our current press corps does and it would also challenge the comfort levels of the public. Democracy will not survive if the media is only here to support conservative group think. "

max stanfield wrote on Aug 22, 2009 2:55 PM:

" One needs to look no farther than the "Associated Press" for a sewer-slime-crap-scum pit of bottom feeding journalists who delete, ignore, gloss over, brush aside facts while they hammer away with their leftist agenda. It is like listening to Matthews, Blitzer, Garofalo, jon Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Linda Douglass, Rick Sanchez, Phillip Elliott, Katie [the Kommie] Kouric, Maggie Rodriguez, Keith Olberman, Mark Halperin and dozens more. Joe, You are right on the money. America is sick of these "Death to America" people and charter members of the "America must be Destroyed" organizations. Most of the media are charter members as well. What will they do when they succeed in destroying America ??? Oh yeah, Castro and Hugo still have vacancies. I like it here. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:52 AM:

" If Joe's theory is true, why then did the conservative Sacramento Union fold and the liberal Bee continues? "

Gator wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:09 AM:

" The Gray Lady is mulling over whether to charge for their online paper. Desperate times for the old girl. Most of the Majors are losing tons of money. Partly because of their political bias, The other being the internet.
when you get the paper it’s already old news…That being said Bias has no place on the front Page above the fold, That is reserved for honest reporting what ever that is these days. The political/Op-Ed page can be as one sided and as opinionated as the editor chooses. Then again there is something about holding and reading the paper the internet will never come close to. "

voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:07 AM:

" By your yardstick, Joe, the LNS ought to be a stunning and profitable success. Hmmm. . . "

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