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Citizens are right to question Obama's health care reforms
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
Isolate and ridicule. That's how they destroy anyone who might challenge their agenda. Radio and TV's Glenn Beck uttered these words on his radio show like he has dozens of times before in reference to the formula used by the left to eliminate the opposition.
What's sad is that it's true. Most recently the targets have been former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and TEA Party protesters. Both have been isolated and ridiculed as crazy, extreme and right-manufactured loons.
It's easy for the in-control, left-wing politicians to write off opposition like this, despite any support or facts that may work in their opposition's favor.
But it was this past week that left me completely dumbfounded.
With Congressional representatives on recess, they returned back home to hold town halls and push the idea of how rainbow and butterfly-like the proposed health care reform bill that few in Congress have admittedly read is and why it needs citizen support.
Americans from sea to shining sea showed up at the meetings full of their own ideas, questioning everything proposed and demanding to know the truth.
Each time a congressperson spoke, their case was refuted by a constituent who had obviously done their homework and knew better than the person they entrusted to make decisions for them what was right.
Bailouts, health care reform, stimulus, "cash for clunkers." The silent majority was now barking.
As town hall videos from across the country began to sprout up and gained national attention, we could observe that things aren't as rosy and delightful as our government keeps claiming they've been. All because the people have paid attention to the facts rather than the talking points.
In the dozens of town hall videos I've watched, the congressperson was usually so taken aback by being talked down to (after all, they're usually the one's talking down to us), they couldn't formulate an acceptable talking point for the frustrated citizens, or they simply walked away with their tails between their legs.
A few did stick it out through their whole town hall. And in true big government fashion, they decided to get arrogant and condescending with the people who employ them.
"We've finally got them," I thought to myself last week. "How can they say 'No!' to the will of the people when all the people are screaming what they don't want?" Smiling, I felt like the real America was accomplishing something great — a true grass-roots effort.
An hour later the evening news was on and I heard the following:
"This notion of a grass-roots campaign is totally and completely phony," Rep. Lloyd Doggett, R-Texas, said in an interview with ABC News. "The Republican Party has coordinated this apparent outrage and stirred it up."
I couldn't believe it. Literally, I screamed at the TV.
More quotes from other congressmen and women began emerging in defense of their egos and their agenda. Their artificial exterior had been bruised. It was time for damage control and payback.
They had done it again. They isolated thousands of fed-up Americans who took time out of their day to voice their concerns by labeling them as a product of the Republican Party and ridiculed them by calling them "phony."
On another newscast, more who spoke against reform were labeled "right-wing extremists" and continued to be torn down by congresspeople Those who "stormed" town hall meetings were clearly " ... out to hurt the President," right, Sen. Boxer?
But then a video was released by the Democratic National Committee that proved Beck's philosophy to a T, targeting the town hall groups that disagree with reform.
"The Right-wing extremist Republican base is back," the video begins. "Their goal: destroy President Obama and stop the change America voted for overwhelmingly for in November."
"This MOB activity is straight from the play book of the high level Republican political operatives."
We've been failed horribly by Republicans for the last eight years and now we've been shattered as a nation by Democrats within one year. From what I can tell, both parties are worthless to us.
You see, the reason why Americans are rising off the couch and marching into town halls is because the "leaders" we've put our faith in have betrayed us and are now finding new ways to write us off so they don't have to listen.
First the phone calls didn't get returned. Then the e-mails were acknowledged by an automated response but no human follow-up. Those were proceeded by protests in many major cities across America, and then came the in-person demands only to be ridiculed as jaded right-wing insanity.
I think it might be wise for you to pay attention, esteemed representatives.
America is running out of civil options. As I said on inauguration week, do right by this country because after eight years of pain and mistreatment, she can't take much more.
We're nearing the breaking point. You have the power to turn it around and make her great again. Stop putting your agendas before our country.
Wade Heath of Lodi is writer of the WadeWire Blog at wadewire.blogspot.com. He can be reached at reachwade@lycos.com.
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Lodian wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:00 PM:
" Can't even get Meister Brau here.
I see that you've been looking for it. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 23, 2009 10:49 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:19 PM:
Leonard, are you still grieving for them to bring back Bergie Beer? Even Milwaukees Best can't top Bergie for giving you rot gut. We've all had our moments when a cheap beer sufficed. I prefer a Guiness or Taddy Porter on the infrequent occasion I drink. And Leonard, rumor has it you're quite the conniseur of the Thunderbird variety of wines. Is this a staple in Austin? "
Brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:08 PM:
And we get tired of you lying to advance your position. "
-Pot Kettle Black "
Leonard wrote on Aug 22, 2009 3:49 PM:
I have never had a drinking problem.
Nope, Brian doesn't have a drinking problem.
He drinks.
He falls down.
He uses the N-word.
No problem. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 22, 2009 3:47 PM:
" It must be Miller Time in Phoenix.
I think you are a little too up market.
Think Meister Brau. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 22, 2009 3:45 PM:
I get so tired of people like Leonard
suggesting so many posters are just actually two people.
And we get tired of you lying to advance your position. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 22, 2009 2:24 PM:
The gov. is already stiffing thousands of car dealers across the country so there is only two things that can happen, the dealerships close down because they can't pay their bills or they raise the prices on what they sell the average person, you and me. Now multiply that into the health industry and you create a dichotomous system where you have people using government owned health care vs (if they survive) private companies who have to keep their prices high to recover what the government won't pay back.
So you go to the store and buy steak for $.80 because you have a government card, the store paid $1.00 for it the next guy in has to pay $1.40 for the store to recover what it lost to the government customer. Is that the system you want? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 22, 2009 2:14 PM:
Voter there is no conflict. Thinking something is working and wanting to make it better are not mutually exclusive thoughts. I think outside audits (surprise, I'm married to a tax gal, but not in audit tax) of industries is a good thing and the most involvement the government should have. There is nothing wrong with keeping an eye on things to provide the best information to the consumer.
Does our system of medicine work, yes. Should it be audited for abuses on a regular basis, yes. I think the reason costs are so out of control is that there has been no scrutiny nor public release of findings to hold companies, from insurance to suppliers, accountable. And adding Government to an uncontrolled market is only asking for more trouble. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 22, 2009 1:02 PM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 22, 2009 11:21 AM:
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 11:16 AM:
" It must be Miller Time in Phoenix. "
-Unlike you, I have the strength to not have a drink this early.
Whether you believe it or not, I have never had a drinking problem. Everything in moderation. Too much alcoholism with my Dad's brothers led some to health problems and an early death. I got snockered for the first time in years a few weeks ago and haven't had a drink since. The hangover is still fresh in my mind. Now, you may have a different definition of a drinking problem, but an occasional glow
is moderation to me. "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 11:07 AM:
There is not enough time in the day to analyze you're twisted rationale.
So let me ask you this:
Do you have a vested interest in catering to lawyers who are against tort reform? "
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:47 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:44 AM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:43 AM:
Aimee wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:39 AM:
" I guess we were moving to fast for Aimee. We lost her, again. "
I can't post all day, I had to get something productive done on my day off so I went shopping (and saw that horrible accident on Lower Sacramento!)and left the rest of you here to continue on in my absence. I know you miss me when I am not around, Lodian. How charming!
As far as Brian's comments - since you and I don't really care for each other, why would I want to berate Brian for calling you names? And you still haven't told me when it was that he used the "n" word. I have yet to see that.
Oh, and my response to Brian's post about a big rump and the twinkies ("now I am offended", bla, bla) was supposed to be a joke directed at myself. I am always being accused of being too serious, so I was trying to inject some humor into the situation. "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:36 AM:
where operating costs and government red tape inhibit the ability to make a profit, are not the fault of the government. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:33 AM:
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:32 AM:
And then the liberals go on to deny that greedy lawyers are the source of this. "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:03 AM:
Voter doesn't have the slightest idea what the definition of a loss leader is. "
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:00 AM:
Doctor's are performing various medical procedures as loss leaders? "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:58 AM:
Do you purposely play dumb or are you unaware how dumb you make yourself out to be? "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:52 AM:
Liberals have a long track record of making issues emotional to get people's attention. Free them from logic and rationale and they have them eating out of their hands like a child. "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:47 AM:
How can it not make sense that doctors don't always make a profit?
We have loss leaders at grocery stores.
There is also loss leaders in other industries. One cannot make a profit all the time. What I am talking about is why doctors should be held hostage by the greedy lawyers staring down their necks waiting to pounce at any descrepancy for financial gain.
The John Edwards of society are the epitomy of bottom dwelling scum suckers. "
dyan wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:35 AM:
The answer? Create another massive spending program because it "feels" right. Is there any logic left in some of you out there? "
dyan wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:32 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:23 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:18 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:14 AM:
" We have OBGYN's who don't make a profit when performing c sections because of the high costs of malpractice insurance."
Post a link to document your claim. It makes no sense. "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:06 AM:
" You know, when you first look at these comments and you see posts from Jerome Kinderman, Girard74, phillygrad, Lodisafeway, Veritas, stanfordman, Brian, Dillard, Onelastthing, B.F. Tofflenuts, and Dyan, you might think there is actually a conservative consensus here.
Then you realize that its all just two guys.
What a joke!
Leonard,
I thought you weren't into conspiracy theory. Oh wait, you believe in global warming.
I get so tired of people like Leonard
suggesting so many posters are just actually two people.
You're boring us Leonard. Get your teleprompter fixed, it's stuck on replay. "
brian wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:56 AM:
" Rhodie, is that really one of your great fears, that doctors won't get paid?
-and she should be suspicious.
We have OBGYN's who don't make a profit when performing c sections because of the high costs of malpractice insurance.They might as well not get payed. Your ignorance is almost painful. "
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:29 AM:
And Rhodie, you need to make up your mind about the insurance industry. In one post, you are concerned that they'll never survive if a public option is offered (ridiculous--that's not happened in other countries). In the other post, you want them audited because of wrongdoing (too much profit? denying care? that's capitalism).
All of your arguments conflict. You have been told that the public option is bad, and you are rationalizing, trying to make that fit with reality. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:04 AM:
I think a cheaper way to have dealt with the insurance industry is have a full on audit of their books. Then release the info to the public so we can see who the worst offenders were in wasting out tax dollars and then WE make the choice as to who we deal with. But instead of exposing the corrupt in the industry a bigger corrupt (who also makes the rules) is getting into the industry. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 22, 2009 7:57 AM:
Because it may not be optional for long. Personally I don't think the Government has the right to be involved in any business, banking, health care, auto, or making widgets. It is akin to playing basketball against a team who is also the referees for the same game. They make the rules and they choose when to enforce them.
When it comes to health care it sounds like the givernment wants to charge upto 20% less than current insurance options. If a government owned gas station came in and charged $2.40/gal vs the average $3/gallon, how long would the other gas stations last?
Here is my second fear of the government's involvement in helath insurance; what program do they run for the public doesn't lose money? Medicare is bust and welfare is a drain, why do you who support this government option healthcare think that it too won't become a big tax drain on the economy? "
voter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 7:18 AM:
[shaking head. smiling.] "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:00 PM:
Betsy McCaughey tried to make the same argument on The Daily Show this week and Jon Stewart just obliterated her. She brought out a copy of the bill and he repeatedly challenged her to show him where in the document all these Republican claims could be substantiated. She could not do it.
Watch the interview on the Daily Show website. Very entertaining... "
Cogito wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:46 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:34 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:32 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:22 PM:
Then you realize that its all just two guys.
What a joke! "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 6:34 PM:
" B. Hussein: Good point. Focus people. The issues are: 1.health care costs.
2. rationing
Just out of curiosity, why do you support the current American system of health care rationing? "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 6:29 PM:
" Will government make it worse or better?
You are asking the wrong question. Any course of action will make things worse for some people and better for other people.
The question should be what will make things better for the most people. "
dyan wrote on Aug 21, 2009 4:01 PM:
What is the history on rationing in other countries with government health care? "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 3:35 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 21, 2009 3:25 PM:
2. rationing. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:36 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:35 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:31 PM:
Brian: I came to my conclusion that you are a pig, a male chauvinist pig, due to your comments on these blogs. I also think you are a racist and a bully (well, you try to be a bully...LOL!). These things are, and have been, revealed about you through your words on this message board. You have used the "n" word with pride and have demeaned women and people of other backgrounds and race. Now, how have you come to the conclusion that I am a gruesome skank? (chuckle) These are not things you can conclude online about an anonymous blogger. And please don't start talking about my butt again. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:29 PM:
What was his column about again? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:20 PM:
Tangent, what tangent... "LOOK, there's squirrel!"
(Thanks, voter!) "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:17 PM:
" I do have to agree wih you Bob that Lodian is humorous."
Ah, thanks. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:15 PM:
Brian: How sweet. You're using my comments as your own again. So flattering! Oh, and my heart is acid free. :-) "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:04 PM:
As opposed to your awe inspiring wealth of knowledge posted here everyday. Thank you for even addressing me oh wise one. Thank you sir, may I have another? "
-Well, I always manage to get you off on a tangent. You should do yourself a favor and restrict yourself to issues you can comprehend. You're reputation
for not having the slightest idea of how to address many columns and letters
in an intelligent and informed manner precedes you. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:00 PM:
Aimee is jumping on that bandwagon again with her buddy Brian.
-Heaven forbid we point out all the times people jump on the bandwagon with Lodian and their mobster-like attacks on people. Who's being sensitive here? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:59 AM:
As opposed to your awe inspiring wealth of knowledge posted here everyday. Thank you for even addressing me oh wise one. Thank you sir, may I have another? "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:55 AM:
So you find me to be a pig as you have stated? How can you expect Aimee to want to have any civil discourse with you when you make shooting from the hip your prime directive? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:54 AM:
Okay, anything that starts with, "My vision of Lodian..." coming from Brian has got to be a little scary. LOL! Brian... dude... you are spending way too much time talking about my butt. It's getting weird again with you. Is your significant other okay with this behavior? And I see that Aimee is enjoying the descriptions of my body as well. Uh... gross. Aimee is jumping on that bandwagon again with her buddy Brian... or maybe it's the booze bus. Oh, Aimee, I had hopes for you but you just dipped too low below that integrity meter again with Brian. Enjoy your Twinkies. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:50 AM:
Aimee. You may not be brave enough, or be able to stomach it.
-Given that Aimee goes head to head with Lodian whenever she feels the need to, the answer is clear that Aimee has the intestinal fortitude to do so. The bravery in her is already a given. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:45 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM:
My thinking is that if someone is offensive/abusive to others here (ie; uses the "n" word, degrades women, is a bully, cusses people out and talks of an entire race or people that he thinks is inferior) then I take issue. It doesn't matter whether it was directed at me or not. I don't watch abuse, bigotry, or bullying... I'll get involved to address it, Aimee. You may not be brave enough, or be able to stomach it, or are just to blind and bent on attacking me to notice, but it's there, Aimee. Open your eyes and really see the company you keep, and buddy with, in here. That shows your character. Are you now going to burn this encounter in your memory banks too? LOL! You need to breathe, Aimee, just breeeeathe. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM:
I guess the lesson is, make sure whoever you're ripping isn't a sensitive fashion model with a spendy lawyer.
-I think we can all conclude that Lodian
is not a sensitive fashion model with a spendy lawyer. Once everyone reads the article, they'll get the gist of what I am saying. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:33 AM:
-Seems much more fitting. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:31 AM:
No, I don't remember. I have a feeling that you remember every detail though. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:29 AM:
Wow! Can you say shallow, Aimee? So, your deep seeded dislike of me, and your memories of lost debates long ago, is what drives you? Uh, I think you may want to see someone about that dear. That kind of acid in your heart will kill ya. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:28 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:27 AM:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/08/19/urnidgns852573C40069388000257617007ACE7B.DTL
I guess the lesson is, make sure whoever you're ripping isn't a sensitive fashion model with a spendy lawyer. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:19 AM:
LOL!!!!! Brian, stop talking about me like that! Funny! Whoa, wait a minute, did you just insult Twinkies? Okay, now we're at war. I am officially offended. "
-Don't feed the troll. :) "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:19 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:17 AM:
But you said that men in general....
-Yes!, From what we see here, one can conclude that men in general find Lodian gruesome. I think that's a fair assessment. I know you struggle with your identity. But I never thought of you as someone other than person, for the most part. :) "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:16 AM:
"....is a person with quite a rump given it does tend to settle their when one spends as much time as her on the computer. So, that being said, I don't know if anyone could find a wide angle set of binocs big enough to capture that rump. Not that I or anyone is the least bit interested in discovering what a diet subsisting on twinkies can do to the human body. "
LOL!!!!! Brian, stop talking about me like that! Funny! Whoa, wait a minute, did you just insult Twinkies? Okay, now we're at war. I am officially offended. "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:14 AM:
See, Lodian I go after you because you came after me first. You started this little tiff a LONG time ago, I bet you don't even remember how. And you've been just ridiculous ever since. It's not a crusade on wrong behavior across the board you're witnessing, it's my dislike for you and your comments that motivate me to chide you. Don't get the two ocnfused. Brian has never said anything to me that is offensive, so why should I go after him? If he said something offensive before this that I didn't read or know about, why should I go after him, just because YOU say I need to? Am I your attack dog that should right all wrongs on this site? Hardly. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:07 AM:
" I am intrigued to discover that Leonard would think that anyone would want to waste their time talking about Lodian's gruesome attributes unless they are making a sequel to "The Night of The Living Dead".
But you said that men in general....
Ah... I am just wasting my time trying to talk to you like a person, aren't I? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:06 AM:
LOL! "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:05 AM:
I haven't talked with you much on here but the last time we corresponded, I think you sort of insulted me....but I understand...you were sticking up for Lodian, although I can't say I agree with you for doing that. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:05 AM:
" Yup, I'm here. I know you must have missed me, since you took the time to mention my name (that's so sweet), and then throw a few insults at it for good measure.
You never disappoint in that aspect."
Well, one must fight evil head on. LOL! "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:04 AM:
find a wide angle set of binocs big enough to capture that rump. Not that I or anyone is the least bit interested in discovering what a diet subsisting
on twinkies can do to the human body. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:03 AM:
Yep, don't you hate when that happens. LOL!
I knew that would help our audience here know that you ARE watching and reading these blogs, even though you fake ignorance of some racism and disgusting comments from Brian. You have indeed viewed his racist remarks and backed off from comment. Gotcha! "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2009 11:00 AM:
You never disappoint in that aspect. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:59 AM:
Nope. The funny thing is, Brian, that I don't lose arguments with you. That's not to say that it wouldn't happen in the future if you straighten out your act and become...well, normal and are able to buy a sense of humor somewhere. I do, however, lose debates all the time!!! I have been set straight plenty of times by people here that look to only post with the one name and obviously have much integrity and respect...as well as a sense of humor (which is key to me even liking them at all!). LOL! So, you see, Bryan, you've got yourself elevated to a level of some kind of imaginary importance here. Relax though... it's only an anonymous blog. ;-) "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:58 AM:
" Brian: Thanks for flattering me, by copying and pasting what I said to you, and placing my words as your own comments. But please make sure to give me credit for my words though and not claim them as you own. lol! "
Hey, that's exactly what you did to me on the other blog - you copied and pasted my words to use as your own. I was so flattered by that Lodian, that you take my words in such high esteem that you take them for your own.
Whoa..I just had a disturbing thought...Lodian = Brian??? Nah, that would create a temporal paradox. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:52 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:50 AM:
Yes, Brian has that weird thing going on. I sure hope he is telling the truth when he says he lives in Phoenix. Sure wouldn't want that guy living next door, if ya know what I mean. He probably has a few sets of binoculars and all. :-0 "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:47 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:47 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:45 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:43 AM:
I am intrigued to discover that Bryan has a group of men that he meets with to discuss Lodian and her relative skankiness/non skankiness.
That's just kind of a weird level of interest, if you ask me. "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:42 AM:
And I am not offended by the breast comment and it doesn't matter who said it, I wouldn't be offended.
I find it interesting when you say I've posted the most nasty things on here - that means I surpass even Real Facts in my ability to be mean? I doubt it. I give almost everyone here a measure of respect, save a handful of folks, such as yourself, who deserve any comments I might have to dish out because YOU can't have a conversation without being inappropriate. You should be more like Bobby..he can debate without getting nasty - a nice guy and he is smart as well.
By the way, you still haven't justified your comment that the word "mulatto" has never been racist. If you're going to make comments like that, by God back them up! "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:42 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:40 AM:
Name one. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:38 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:36 AM:
Bryan: Uh...okay. You’re calling me a skank? That’s just lovely, Bryan. Very classy. Do you kiss your mate with that mouth? LOL! I've never stereotyped men. And I never wonder what most men think of me as I'm just interested in what one man thinks of me and he's next to me every night. That makes everything right with the world. :-) You see, Bryan, there are men, unlike yourself, that are secure in themselves (and their sexuality) that don't need to verbally attack, slander, belittle, or harass women...especially due to cancer. Get it? And they certainly don't feel that they should put down women for having breast reconstruction after cancer. These men would never even come close to such comments made by you here, let alone defend such disgusting comments. So, go home and talk to your own wife and daughter this way. Let's see how long they deal with you. You'd better pack your bag first, just in case. :-) "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:35 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:35 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:34 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:33 AM:
Your act is just too good to miss.
I'm glad you care about me, wondering where I am and all. Touching.... "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:32 AM:
" If need be, I would definitely offer Brian a fig leaf.
No one needs to see that junk. "
Definitely, no one! LMAO! "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:31 AM:
No, but I'm sure you can share the experience with us here. What's it like for you, Bryan. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:30 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:28 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:11 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:09 AM:
No one needs to see that junk. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:05 AM:
If he was witnessing a man ready to shoot me and he had a chance to take the gun away from him he would instead just offer me a towel so the blood wouldn't splatter too bad.
No, I would shoot him. An armed man is a Citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:04 AM:
- I take Leonard's offering of a prayer with a grain of salt
No need, I really will pray for you.
More so than probably any of the other posters here, you are the real victim of the status quo and the sad thing is that you aren't bright enough to realize it.
Poor and working class Republicans often remind me of battered wives, always making excuses for the very people who are abusing them. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:59 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:59 AM:
If so, I'm going to stop teasing you.
Obviously, there are problems here that I should not make fun of. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:58 AM:
" Brian wrote "I really can't tell if you want the benefits of the Cuban system while living in America or you'd just be happy to live in Cuba because there aren't as many women running around with fake breasts as a result of mascectomies."
Bryan: Rude men often refer to women having "fake" breasts, such as the way you did here, when they are demeaning a woman with breast enhancements for purely cosmetic reasons. That in itself is a degrading comment towards women. A respectful and considerate man does not, in any way shape of form, refer to a woman that has had breast reconstruction due to cancer and mastectomy as having "fake" breasts. Your comment was nasty, disrespectful to women everywhere, and just plain disgusting. You, Bryan, are a pig.
-Lodian has to often remind us how she stereotypes men in a derogatory way because of her general dislike for men. And then she wonders why men, in general, consider her a skank. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:56 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM:
"increase" "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:53 AM:
1. How do we pay for this? 2. How do we not ration unless we increse docs and nurses? Even the neutral CBO says this bill is a farce. Wake up people. Canda's system is going bankrupt as we speak. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:50 AM:
Bryan: Yes, due to your own comments that are posted here on this blog. And what would you know about breast cancer, Bryan? It's obvious that you have no clue because your comments were that of a very clueless, rude, crude, heartless and disgusting man. Most women call a man like you a pig, but I think that's too good for you. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:44 AM:
Bryan: Rude men often refer to women having "fake" breasts, such as the way you did here, when they are demeaning a woman with breast enhancements for purely cosmetic reasons. That in itself is a degrading comment towards women. A respectful and considerate man does not, in any way shape of form, refer to a woman that has had breast reconstruction due to cancer and mastectomy as having "fake" breasts. Your comment was nasty, disrespectful to women everywhere, and just plain disgusting. You, Bryan, are a pig. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:43 AM:
No, I consider the source and then just brush them off. Are you now going to tell us that you don't hink I am aware that women go through a grieving period after they lose their breasts?
Is that your next move? "
jeff wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:41 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:33 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:32 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:29 AM:
-What part of "it's the compassionate nature of humans that this is the reason why fake breasts are available"
is disrespectful and insensitive? Would you rather see me say woman should walk around flat chested for the rest of their lives because they are stuck with their genetics that caused the breast cancer? Now that's insensitive and disrespectful. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:16 AM:
Oh, and the towel may be offered to the shooter, as not to get any of your bile on her. "
-Thanks for re-enforcing my feeling that Leonard is the last person I could count on to save me from a life and death situation.
But, I will still say a prayer for the health of Leonard and his loved ones before I sleep tonight. "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:10 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:06 AM:
My wife may not get treated under Obamcare given the rationing that would have to occur under his plan. Right now, anyone who qualifies for the AZ equivalent of Medical is quaranteed treatment. Again, under Obamacare, it's guaranteed that she may not get treated. So, you're setting yourself up to be quite the dumba$$ for being a proponent of Obamacare. "
jeff wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:56 AM:
or do you mean an olive branch, the traditional flora of peace?
Oh, and the towel may be offered to the shooter, as not to get any of your bile on her. "
jeff wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:53 AM:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
he's one bada$$ jedi, purple or not "
Brian wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:51 AM:
Leonard wrote:
Brian's finances and his past use of socialized medicine, Brian's wife would probably die under the current system if she were to get cancer because Brian can't even provide health care for his own family.
I will say a prayer for the health of Brian and his loved ones before I sleep tonight. "
- I take Leonard's offering of a prayer with a grain of salt. He has this deep passion for taking cheap shots and then offering a fig leaf in the same breath.
If he was witnessing a man ready to shoot me and he had a chance to take the gun away from him he would instead just offer me a towel so the blood wouldn't splatter too bad. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:47 AM:
So true Leonard, and he was the only Jedi with a cool purple light saber.
I wonder who pried it from his cold, dead (and severed) hand? Hmm...... "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:42 AM:
Cog, Samuel Jackson is an experienced and accomplished actor, but I doubt he was around in 1776 to make this quote.
Dude... the guy is a Jedi Master.
Never doubt the power of the Force on the weak minded. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:38 AM:
Cog, Samuel Jackson is an experienced and accomplished actor, but I doubt he was around in 1776 to make this quote. Even if he were, I seriously doubt his master would allow him to editorialize on government.
Were you maybe going for Samuel Adams, brewer and patriot? "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:47 AM:
" The other day I was making fun of McNerdneys funny hat using movie lines from Caddyshack.
The very first thing I ever posted on these comments was a line from Repo Man. Someone (I suspect you) flashed right back with the matching line and I thought "hmmm... perhaps I should check these comments out". "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:20 AM:
The patriots are rising up.
Your attempt to claim the banner of patriotism would be amusing in its irony if it didn't involve men with truck loads of fertilizer and white hoods.
I suspect the day is coming when you will be deeply ashamed that you ever associated with the groups that you have currently aligned yourself with.
:( "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:17 AM:
The only difference this time is Leonard got his panties in a wad, and Voter probably twirled her handlebar moustache in delight. Bwa ha hahahaha.
????
I think you got the wrong set of panties there. I just laughed at you and your red hands. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:14 AM:
Wow, I wonder if you'll speak this way of your wife when she has a mastectomy due to breast cancer.
Ironically, based on what we know of Brian's finances and his past use of socialized medicine, Brian's wife would probably die under the current system if she were to get cancer because Brian can't even provide health care for his own family.
I will say a prayer for the health of Brian and his loved ones before I sleep tonight. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:11 AM:
I can get hard facts that Cuban leaders visit the MAYO CLINIC here in Scottsdale.
BUT THEN, in response to my repeated query about whether or not these "hard facts" existed
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:39 PM:
Perhaps not Leonard.
So basically Brian, you were lying about this just like you have lied about every other aspect of this debate.
As I have said before, my mind is not set in stone on this issue but every lie that you tell makes me doubt your position more and more "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 6:34 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:49 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:29 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:18 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:11 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:04 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:01 PM:
Wow, I wonder if you'll speak this way of your wife when she has a mastectomy due to breast cancer. Your insensitive disrespectful flippant remarks about women fit you to a "T", Brian.... nasty. "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:46 PM:
" What do you think Cog? Do you think there is hard evidence that the Castro Brothers have been using Brian's local emergency room? "
-Given the many thousands of miles foreign dignitaries travel to use our medical system here if any happen to be here and the situation arises that they need to use the local emergency room are you saying they would pass it up because Lord Obama said it's not worth the wait? "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:39 PM:
" What do you think Cog? Do you think there is hard evidence that the Castro Brothers have been using Brian's local emergency room?
Perhaps not Leonard. Obviously you have no idea what the Mayo Clinic is. And I find this discussion about how you regard the U.S. medical system in such disrepair that you embrace the Cuban medical system better than ours a bit offensive. You make it quite convenient for yourself to point out that the vast majority of the Cuban population cannot travel out of the country and even if they could why would they want to use our medical system. I really can't tell if you want the benefits of the Cuban system while living in America or you'd just be happy to live in Cuba because there aren't as many women running around with fake breasts as a result of mascectomies. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:57 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:34 PM:
" You plagiarized that, Cog.
http://84rules.wordpress.com/
So much for thinking for yourself.
LOL! "
Lee wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:25 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:01 PM:
http://84rules.wordpress.com/
So much for thinking for yourself.
There is more than one bill. Did you know that? The house and senate bills are different. And they were written by different people. You don't know the first thing about what's going on--too busy repeating the script. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 6:59 PM:
" Here's the whole thing in a nutshell
What an appropriate phrase from a man who has The Dreaded Rear Admiral and Dyan as his debate partners. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 6:56 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 6:53 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 6:51 PM:
By your own admission you acknowledge that Cuban leaders can travel. Where am I then wrong in saying Cuban leaders
use American doctors when they travel here to a UN conference, for example?
Leaving the facts aside for the moment, you are wrong when you try to suggest that such travel, if it were to occur, would have a statistically relevant effect on mortality rates for the nation as a whole.
As for the question of the Cuban leadership using services at your local hospital, I am still waiting (with out much hope of an actual response) for the following.
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM:
I can get hard facts that Cuban leaders visit the MAYO CLINIC here in Scottsdale.
Come on, Brian, we are all waiting for those hard facts (your words, not mine).
Time to stand and deliver. "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:29 PM:
" Brian asked "You are aware of the definition of insanity?"
I'm sure you have it memorized by now. "
-Actually, you make it hard to forget the definition. You may not purposely
do it, but there is no doubt you are a shining example of insanity. "
voter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:27 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:26 PM:
It is not a lie to say that Cuban leaders come here to use our medical system because theirs is not as good as ours. I don't know what it will take you to admit that their system is not exactly a shining example of what ours should be. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:19 PM:
I'm sure you have it memorized by now. "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:19 PM:
" Let's talk about medical tourism. Close to two million Americans are leaving the country every year for routine medical procedures. India is a common destination. Procedures are less than one tenth the cost and can be done quickly. American healthcare providers are losing billions of dollars in revenue to foreign hospitals which are often better staffed and every bit as advanced technologically. I think it's an interesting side note on the debate. "
-This wouldn't have anything to do with
skyrocketing malpractice insurance doctors have to have because of greedy lawyers like John Edwards? Huh Voter? "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:14 PM:
By your own admission you acknowledge that Cuban leaders can travel. Where am I then wrong in saying Cuban leaders
use American doctors when they travel here to a UN conference, for example?
Facts are facts Mr. Pone. The fact that they are a small percentage of the Cuban population is irrelevant. The fact that they do travel here and use American doctors doesn't seem to have any bearing on your stubbornness to try to refute it anyway. You are aware of the definition of insanity? "
campking wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:59 PM:
You don't think the above is exactly about micro managing individual care? If the proposed bill is as Obama claims, just another option for those whom cannot afford insurance on their own, then what other option will they have but what big government decides is part of their plan. And if Obama isn't telling us the whole truth, and we all end up under a single payer system, then who gets the basic plan and who gets the premium. Won't this, in effect, limit your health care to what big government provides? The quickest route to socialism is through healthcare! The ultra left have known this for decades, and have attempted this sort of offensive at least four different times since 1961. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:57 PM:
http://www.naturalnews.com/007097.html "
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:47 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:45 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:43 PM:
" Leonard: You crack me up! Anybody who doesn't want Cuban-style socialized medicine is a liar?
No Dyan, what I said was that the people trying to perpetuate the ghoulish disaster that passes for the status quo have discovered that they can only do so by lying.
Sadly, individuals like yourself make that course of action possible. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:41 PM:
-Now Leonard is making this claim that Cuban Leaders can't travel
Are you just drunk off your bass or are you purposefully characterizing my statements?
Ordinary Cubans can't travel. Fidel Castro and his entourage are a statistically insignificant percentage of the population, in terms of cancer fatalities.
Brian, do you ever wonder whether the fact that you can only defend your position by lying means that you are on the right side? "
voter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:35 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:11 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:09 PM:
" Jeff wrote "Who is this 'we', brian? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
Drink 1.5 liters of Alberton's Rum in an evening by yourself and you will be a "we" too. "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM:
" Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:02 AM:
" You don't see Cuban leaders using their own medical system. They come over here.
Get a clue Brian, most Cubans are not allowed to travel. That is one of the many reasons why their government is called a "repressive dictatorship".
This post is a perfect example of the right's tactics in this debate. Present them with an inconvenient truth and they simply make up a lie to explain it away.
As I said before, my position on this issue is not set in stone. That said, every time you LIE, you just make me distrust you more. "
-Now Leonard is making this claim that Cuban Leaders can't travel. I can get hard facts that Cuban leaders visit the MAYO CLINIC here in Scottsdale. But this won't keep Leonard from trying to refute it. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:03 PM:
" except that a large portion of that majority bases their decisions on misconeptions of the bill. 75% of Faux News viewers incorrectly believe that the bill included "death panels", compared to 30% of viewers of (an)other cable news source. overall, 45% believe reform will "allow government to make decisions about when to stop providing medical care to the elderly. Nearly half believe in a GOP/Faux propogated lie. Now how valid is your "majortiy" poll? Get the facts straight, then lets talk.
And there in lies the root of the problem. Based on the facts alone, the vast majority of Americans would support this plan.
That is why the Conservatives have launched the greatest campaign of lies and misinformation in history (see pretty much every post Brian and Dyan have made in the last month). "
dyan wrote on Aug 20, 2009 3:33 PM:
sven31 wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:58 PM:
Is there some sort of reading problem also? The repeated requests for a liberal to read the "1018 pages", and again the poster doesn't trust conservatives to read. Will liberals all over Lodi have to meet with conservatives and help make them litterate?
Finally, is the repeating of the numbers "1018", "30" and "40" on a regular basis some sort of code? Did I stumble onto the leader of the movement sending messages to the thousands of action cells who might read these blogs? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:43 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:40 PM:
LOL! "
Jeff wrote on Aug 20, 2009 12:27 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 12:11 PM:
Jeff wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:45 AM:
Who is this 'we', brian? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? "
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:40 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:16 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:14 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:57 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:54 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:53 AM:
The conservative crusade on this issue has been disgraceful. I hope the stink from it taints their party for decades to come.
Shame on you all! "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:50 AM:
" And Cuba should also be proud that they don't have any deaths from red light runners. Of course they don't have many if any traffic lights their.
Are you claiming that Cubans don't get cancer? "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:49 AM:
" You don't see Cuban leaders using their own medical system. They come over here.
Get a clue Brian, most Cubans are not allowed to travel. That is one of the many reasons why their government is called a "repressive dictatorship".
This post is a perfect example of the right's tactics in this debate. Present them with an inconvenient truth and they simply make up a lie to explain it away.
As I said before, my position on this issue is not set in stone. That said, every time you LIE, you just make me distrust you more. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:41 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:40 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:08 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:02 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:58 AM:
But that won't keep Leonard from producing facts about a country where even the common house roach is begging for food. "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:53 AM:
Is it also and indictment of our system
that we don't make cigars as well as them? Have another cup of coffee Leonard. "
dyan wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:51 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:50 AM:
If reality conflicts with "the message", they announce that reality is wrong.
-I don't know about that. Had conservatives not pointed out that Obamacare is not the reality we want here I shudder to think what his idea
would transform this nation into. But heaven forbid any Democrat thank a Republican for warning them about Obama
trying to lead the people over a cliff. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:49 AM:
" With all of Cuba's problems, I hardly think comparing their breast cancer survivor rate to ours something they can gloat about.
With all of America's advantages, I would say that the fact that a third world tin pot dictatorship is out performing us in cancer treatment is an appalling indictment of our system.
Heck, given the state of Cuba, it would be an embarrassment even if they were five points behind us. "
Brian wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:40 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 6:52 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 5:14 AM:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278
And the seminal fact that we can take away from this link?
While breast cancer survivor rates in the US and Canada are statistically identical, both trail CUBA, which has the highest survivorship rate in the world.
Gee Cog, if that is your evidence, lets here some more! "
Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:52 AM:
Last time I checked, they still haven't cured him of his ALS.
How many ALS patients have been cured by the American medical system? "
Cogito wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:15 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:13 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:48 PM:
On the issue of health care, I think
there needs to be reform. I don't know how we can have have reform without some give and take. But not to the point that the Steven Hawkings and the elderly of this world are thrown under the bus. "
voter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:31 PM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:13 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:31 PM:
:) "
Leonard wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:07 PM:
I don't much go in for conservative "journalism" but this was about as fine an example of the type as I have seen. "
Brian wrote on Aug 19, 2009 6:55 PM:
" Has anyone checked out Wade's website? Wonder if the LNS knows what he posts there. "
Other than conservative viewpoints and many facts on the political climate, I don't see anything that the LNS would disagree with. Unless they hire you, voter to ban conservative people from
writing columns. That said, is this what you want the LNS to do? "
Brian wrote on Aug 19, 2009 6:49 PM:
" Brian wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:47 AM:"... This is where I don't like socialized medicine."
You liked it well enough when you found yourself in need of it, didn't you Brian? Remember, "Hand up" not "Hand out" and all that? Remember, Brian?
-Yes I do Billy. There comes a time in when one has to make decisons and that was the decision I made. Really Billy,
is the choice one has now and a single payer program, Obama is trying to finesse us into taking, the same? Hardly, sir. "
voter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 6:16 PM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:56 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:52 AM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:44 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:22 AM:
You liked it well enough when you found yourself in need of it, didn't you Brian? Remember, "Hand up" not "Hand out" and all that? Remember, Brian? "
Cogito wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:31 AM:
Jeff wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:44 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:13 AM:
The prevaling language being spoken in emergency rooms here in Phoenix is Spanish. How about that. :) "
Cogito wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:59 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:47 AM:
It's not about advanced medical technology as it is about people having
access to this technology in socialized
medicine countries. There has to be a give and take somewhere under socialized medicine. This is where I don't like socialized medicine. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:12 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:11 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:06 AM:
jeff wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 PM:
you got that right. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 PM:
Paranoia takes another of the weak-minded, also known as being "Bryanized." "
flyguide wrote on Aug 18, 2009 6:11 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 17, 2009 7:28 PM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 17, 2009 4:32 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 17, 2009 3:51 PM:
What do I think needs to be fixed with healthcare? (in no particular order) The movie theater style pricing for supllies. Things like q-tip, cotton swabs and basic supplies should not cost as much as they do in the hospitals. AS was already stated, reforms in how many tests the docs have to run just to cover themselves, or at least an easier option for patients to reject tests. Maybe a price list next to the tests the docs want to run along with the benifits there of. Nobody should be refused medical aid when needed but illegals should be deported afterwards, I'd even waive the medical costs in place of deportation. Docs should be able to write off (for taxes) work done for low income people. And I wouldn't mind seeing a "marketplace" for doctors where if you need something they bid on what they will charge. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 17, 2009 2:01 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 17, 2009 7:54 AM:
stantaves wrote on Aug 17, 2009 7:49 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 17, 2009 7:27 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 16, 2009 2:00 PM:
" apparently it takes a non-math teacher to over-simplify and fail to read critically. "
Indeed. "
jeff wrote on Aug 16, 2009 1:18 PM:
wtf wrote on Aug 16, 2009 12:53 PM:
"In fact, this is the first time the day has fallen in August. Until this year, July 20 was the latest date marking Cost of Government Day. That happened in 1982."
We're talking Ronnie Raygun here, and here, it's Jr. Bush:
"However, no one could have foreseen the magnitude of the federal spending spree which was to begin in the second half of 2008, and has not abated since."
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52453 "
wtf wrote on Aug 16, 2009 12:53 PM:
Americans Had to Work from January 1 to August 12 This Year Just to Cover Cost of Government
Let that sink in for a moment....
Now add the extra expenses proposed by our illustrious CC; the tax increases proposed by the State of California; and the new "health care" bill.
Why don't we all just put on our collars now and start calling these people Mastah?
Think about this:
The irony is, we are paying for our own enslavement.
Read that again:
We are paying for our own enslavement. "
dyan wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:39 AM:
Ain't going to happen. Why? special interests -especially lawyers. "
dyan wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:34 AM:
You still ignore the basic facts of this bill: More service for more people, less cost, no more docs and nurses. It doesn't take a math teacher to figure this one out. They have no money for this. Their appeal is to those who still believe in the tooth fairy: something for nothing. They have broke Medicare and Social Security. What do you think they are going to do to your health care? "
dyan wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:20 AM:
jeff wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:16 AM:
jeff wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:14 AM:
So as part of regulating health insurance, the committee will standardize what is considered "basic", "enhanced", and "premium" coverage in an effort to get rid of junk, worthless plans. As far as a panel micro managing individual care... absolutely not part of this bill.
next? "
dyan wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:04 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:00 AM:
jeff wrote on Aug 16, 2009 8:30 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:48 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:43 PM:
I am critical of people who, like you, don't think for themselves and just regurgitate lies and hyperbole from media whores like Palin and Hannity.
But you have heard this countless times from countless bloggers. You are too brainwashed to change, so I might as well make fun of you. Granted it is not a challenge, but it is fun watching you get riled. "
Brian wrote on Aug 15, 2009 6:29 PM:
" Don't get too excited Bryan. I am critical of how the health care bill(s) was presented to the public, not the content.
There are many provisions in it that would help a sad soul like yourself. "
-Bob,
Don't get too excited. I'm not a sad soul like yourself. Oh, you're not too
critical of the content of the bill that you agree with, yet you're critical of those who are critical of those who disagree with the bill? The bill will have to be altered dramaticly for the public to embrace it. Even the DNC is coming to grips with the fact that the present bill is too radical
and intrusive on the lives of Americans.
But you keep on insisting one should not be critical of the content of the bill. "
dyan wrote on Aug 15, 2009 6:25 PM:
Give me a specific question and I'll give you a specific answer. "
wtf wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:25 PM:
"This legislation -- the Affordable Health Choices Act that's being drafted by Sen. Edward Kennedy's staff and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee -- will push Americans into stingy insurance plans with tight, HMO-style controls. It specifically exempts members of Congress (along with federal employees; the exemptions are in section 3116)."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124536864955329439.html
Here's the $64,000 question for anyone attending a "town hall" meeting to ask their representative:
"Would You Join ObamaCare?"
See what Obama's answer is:
http://rense.com/general87/onref.htm "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 15, 2009 9:34 AM:
There are many provisions in it that would help a sad soul like yourself. "
jeff wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:54 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:24 AM:
And now you finally get it. Back on your meds? "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 14, 2009 9:59 PM:
wtf wrote on Aug 14, 2009 9:00 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:04 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:00 PM:
Can anyone, with any mental functioning at all, conclude this to be so? Yes?
Please explain. If not, personal attacks on me will not change your looney logic. "
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 7:47 PM:
STILL WAITNG FOR YOU DIE-HARDS OUT THERE TO SHOW ME THE MATH. You can't ignore this fantasy forever. "
voter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 7:02 PM:
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/daily-show-if-only-glenn-beck-sixteen
Wade states on his blog that Glenn Beck is his hero and always seems to get it right. Sixteen months ago when Beck worked for CNN, he had anal surgery (no joke) and went on the record repeatedly bashing the US healthcare system as broken and in need of change. Now that he works for FOX, he's changed his tune.
So which Glenn Beck got it right, Wade? The CNN Glenn Beck or the FOX Glen Beck? "
jeff wrote on Aug 14, 2009 6:32 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:59 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 2:22 PM:
" Rhodie: Algebra obviously works for you. For 95% of Americans, it obviously doesn't. Can't we just get them to the point of making change at the Burger King?
ROTFLMAO!!!!! "
jeff wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:48 PM:
Still don't believe just ask Palin. Oh not not the current version of Sarah Palin. Ask the then-Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin when in April of 2008 she declared a "Health Care Day" that promoted the same type of consulatations as a humane and cost efficient part of health care.
Really, you can't make this stuff up. LMAO funny. "
jeff wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:34 PM:
but it is you making claims. I'd like to ask you again, what specifically do you disagree with? Please your source as well. Let's have a reasonable discussion of what you disagree with. Please, when ever you are ready. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:19 PM:
" I'm still waiting for you true believers to show me how the Obama math works
First we would have to start with the concepts of addition and subtraction. Based on what I have seen here, I would guess that it would be decades until we would get to fractions. Assuming a normal lifespan, I think it is safe to assume that we would all be dead long before anyone could start instructing you in Algebra. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:13 PM:
" Well Leonard,
The proposed death panels Pelosi and Co.
insisted didn't exist in the bill that they are now saying are being removed from it speaks volumes about the true intentions of this bill that are now being exposed.
Chuckle....
Brian, you are so full of raw sewage and cheap liquor that you honestly slosh when you walk.
The disinformation (a big word for flat out lying) campaign to convince weak minded right wing drones that they were going to be forced to attend "death panels" has been extremely well documented to the point that even a compulsive liar like yourself should blush to repeat it. "
Brian wrote on Aug 14, 2009 3:16 PM:
The proposed death panels Pelosi and Co.
insisted didn't exist in the bill that they are now saying are being removed from it speaks volumes about the true intentions of this bill that are now being exposed. "
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 2:30 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 2:29 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:47 PM:
We have truly come to a sad state in this country. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:42 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:38 PM:
" Leonard, could you school me on Ronald Reagans "liberal" stances?
Here is what a more eloquent man than myself wrote on the subject.
Ronald Reagan cut and ran from Beirut. Ronald Reagan negotiated with the Evil Empire. Ronald Reagan sold arms to Iran! Ronald Reagan raised taxes eleven times. Ronald Reagan was the one who gave illegal immigrants amnesty in the first place! "
wtf wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:31 PM:
http://lonestartimes.com/2009/08/13/obama-camp-plants-fake-doc-che-fan-at-jackson-lee-forum/ "
Jeff wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:25 PM:
They had clips of Glenn Beck talking about how US Health Care = Greatest on Earth. Premise... Don't fix what is already perfect.
Then they showed clips from Beck's Video Blog and from his CNN show from January '08. In those clips he blasts the US Health Care system as being inneffective, inconsistant, and 'scary'. Of course that's all Beck ever says... FEAR what I'm telling you.
Oh, and how about the Palin and Gingrich hypocricy? You can't make this stuff up... more to come... "
Jeff wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:07 PM:
Aside from the fact that I think she meant passion, not copassion, I think that many are missing the point of some criticisms of political discourse.
Speaking for myself, I agree and admire organization for any politcal message, even if I think the message is misguided or if I disagree. Yeah protesting! What I criticize is the confusion between debate and shouting. The drowning out of other voices rather than a respectful, intelligent debate. Oh yeah, that and the lies. When someone shouts out "facts" that are actually lies, and when those lies are pointed out to them they shout 'Liar!', that seems... assinine, and sadly humerous (it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic).
The propogation of out and out lies is not helpful to any debate, let alone this one, for which there is passion on both sides. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:58 PM:
Hmmm... alcohol. Actually I see Brian as more of a Cosmopolitan type a guy. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:49 PM:
" Let's see if I can do liberal math."
dyan: You just told us, on another blog, that math isn't important, so I doubt you can do any math at all. Just relax. Please don't strain yourself. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:47 PM:
"dyan: What part would you like to know about all-knowing Voter? Let me educate you since obviously, you have not read one page."
dyan: Did you forget to change your handle? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:43 PM:
" Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 PM:
" The greatest statesman of my lifetime said
Give me a break! If Ronald Reagan were alive today and active in politics, the goons on the Republican Right would, at best, be smearing the man as a "RINO" and, more likely, as a liberal.
God only knows what Ann Coulter and Sean Hannerty would be calling him.
Today's wingnuts have left Reagan era conservatism far far behind. "
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Leoanrd: I agree. "
Jeff wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:35 PM:
please cite your source as well. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:47 AM:
-Leonard,
And you haven't been instructed not to agree with anything in the bill? Give me a break, you tool!
Gee Brian, I thought you weren't talking to me anymore.
In any case, I think your use of the double negative has corrupted your query. That said, no, I have not been instructed not to agree with anything in the bill.
Word to the wise. Stop typing after you have polished off the first 12 pack. That Meister Brau just wreaks havoc with your messages. "
wtf wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:47 AM:
People aren’t complaining about the care they receive, but the cost. Adding the federal government to the mix will make those costs go up since the government will “channel” money into the program, he said."
http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=378b947e914f4b28
And here:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-06-15/ron-paul-obamas-healthcare-plan-will-make-things-much-worse/ "
wtf wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:46 AM:
"Paul said there is a need to deal with medical issues such as catastrophic care and skyrocketing costs of insurance and treatment, calling the problem “significant.” Getting the government and large corporations out of the system — not giving them more control of it — would be a good start, he said.
“We need to have more confidence that medical care can be delivered in a free market,” Paul said, adding the “people in charge” are insurance companies and HMOs. "
dyan wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:45 AM:
jbhiker wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:44 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:41 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:26 AM:
" jeff wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:40 PM:
" ok dyan I'll bite. you tell us exactly what and where in the 1018 pages you disagree with. let's here it...
I'm sure he disagrees with whatever part he has been told to disagree with. "
-Leonard,
And you haven't been instructed not to agree with anything in the bill? Give me a break, you tool! "
Cogito wrote on Aug 14, 2009 7:39 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 14, 2009 7:33 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 4:54 AM:
" The greatest statesman of my lifetime said
Give me a break! If Ronald Reagan were alive today and active in politics, the goons on the Republican Right would, at best, be smearing the man as a "RINO" and, more likely, as a liberal.
God only knows what Ann Coulter and Sean Hannerty would be calling him.
Today's wingnuts have left Reagan era conservatism far far behind. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 14, 2009 4:41 AM:
" Well, Leonard, according to recent polls, I'd say Americans are against Obama
Hmmm... how many of the poll respondents were actually Jerome Kinderman? "
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:40 PM:
jbhiker wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:46 PM:
dogbark wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:37 PM:
writes well, can't do math.
January to mid-August is just squeaking up on the 7 month mark. "
Leonard wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:27 PM:
" ok dyan I'll bite. you tell us exactly what and where in the 1018 pages you disagree with. let's here it...
I'm sure he disagrees with whatever part he has been told to disagree with. "
uncle stinky wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:13 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:45 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:35 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:33 PM:
jbhiker wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:10 PM:
gray cloud wrote on Aug 13, 2009 7:01 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:58 PM:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/ "
jeff wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:40 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:36 PM:
uncle stinky wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:26 PM:
You need to get laid kid. "
dyan wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:30 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:58 PM:
jbhiker wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:28 PM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:25 AM:
wtf wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:16 AM:
"It should now be beyond dispute that the Obama administration represents a continuation, solidification and expansion of the Bush legacy, with some minor changes in some areas and a vast acceleration of government growth in others.
"
It is easy to become discouraged as practically everything horrific under Bush continues undisturbed and Obama steps on the gas in his program of redistributionism, central planning and mass economic destruction. At their height of influence, the neoconservatives may have also appeared unstoppable, but they ran into two obstacles that can never be eliminated: The role of public opinion, both here and in nations they tried to transform, and the role of economic law, which eventually constrains what government can achieve."
Rest of article:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=169 "
wtf wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:12 AM:
Big Business Goes Big for Health Care Reform
"Observe: Although President Obama and big-government activists demonize health-insurance companies, the companies "are still mostly on board with the president's effort to overhaul the U.S. health-care system," the Wall Street Journal reports; and ...
"Although the activists criticize Big Pharma, "The drug industry has already contributed millions of dollars to advertising campaigns for the health care overhaul through the advocacy groups like Healthy Economies Now and Families USA. It has spent about $1 million on similar advertisements under its own name," the Times reports.
"Big Pharma and Big Insurance want Obama-style health-care reform?"
Rest of article:
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2009/08/12/big_business_goes_big_for_health_care_reform?page=full&comments=true "
wtf wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:07 AM:
Excellent question, dyan....only thing is...***which*** version? LOL! Turns out there are at least ***four*** "versions" of this "health care" bill floating about! This tells me, that one or two versions might have death clauses in them while the others don't.
"In fact four different versions have been approved by Congressional committees. We searched for answers among the three drafts available."
Rest of article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/12/eveningnews/main5237960.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody "
1voice wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:32 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:14 AM:
" Leonard, do you really feel that the majority of Americans are "extremists"? Kind of redefines the word doesn't it?
Absolutely not. I think the majority of Americans are repulsed by the Teabaggers and their brand of asto-turf extremism. I would even say disgusted. "
yabajobu wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:06 AM:
I appreciate the sentiment (and mostly agree), but you are falling into the trap that the Left wants: you are talking about the messengers and not the message. The more we debate about whether it is right to disagree at these townhall meetings, the less time we spend actually making substantive points about why the healthcare reform is a terrible idea (as presently constituted). The more we defend the roudy behavior, the more it looks like all we are in favor of is roudy behavior, and the point behind the disagreement is lost.
We should re-emphasize that Obama's healthcare reform is a terrible idea because it will raise costs, increase inefficiency, ration or delay care, and make the government the ultimate decision-maker on your healthcare choices. Don't get so caught up in defending the messengers that we lose sight of the message. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:47 AM:
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:43 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:29 AM:
Like most of Wade's columns, this one reads like a bad joke. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:24 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 13, 2009 7:29 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 6:43 AM:
" jramagic: Read the 1018 pages as I have done. then we can have a rational discussion. "
LOL. Anyone out there believe this?
Not even a good bluff dyan/brian. "
danielh wrote on Aug 12, 2009 9:31 PM:
this should be expected.
I hope that US citizens wake up from their coma before it is too late.
I believe we are now at the predicted time when the criminals must expose themselves, and at this time, I believe it is their last chance to wake up before they are effectively imprisoned, until biblical prophesy comes to pass. "
dyan wrote on Aug 12, 2009 9:21 PM:
jramagic wrote on Aug 12, 2009 4:46 PM:
In fact, I am neither. Re-examine my original post carefully. There is not a molecule of data in it that would suggest either. You are jumping to wild conclusions, following the stampede
like the rest of the hoe & rake wielding crowd. You indeed are the "base". I suggest you actually take the time to THINK and evaluate verified FACTS independently before you begin shouting and screaming the slogans that your media mentors have so carefully trained you to auto-replay on queue. "
max stanfield wrote on Aug 12, 2009 4:26 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 12, 2009 3:43 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 12, 2009 3:40 PM:
rwayne wrote on Aug 12, 2009 2:15 PM:
wtf wrote on Aug 12, 2009 11:40 AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INtoIkn0k28&feature=PlayList&p=288BD3649AB6BEB0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
And, I also suspect, that I will receive the "usual" rants about Ron and Rand Paul. LOL! "
wtf wrote on Aug 12, 2009 11:37 AM:
WRONG! Fact is, the exact ***same*** thing happened under Jr. Bush...this is not a left/right; liberal/conservative agenda.
Wade wrote: "Both have been isolated and ridiculed as crazy, extreme and right-manufactured loons."
RIGHT **and** WRONG! You can't really generalize like this, Wade. Sarah Palin was/is a loon! LOL! Some of the TEA parties were astroturf in nature. The main thing is that (hopefully) people are waking up.
FACT: There has been absolutely NO change between Jr. Bush and Obama; two sides of the same coin...but a lot of people will continue "as if" there are two sides when, in reality, there are not. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 12, 2009 9:21 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:48 AM:
are offering us a glimpsle of how citizens are treated in third world countries and we should be prepared to expect the same under Obamacare. "
Brian wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:45 AM:
When did it occur to you that it is in your best interest to embrace Obama and all his ilk even though the facts are slapping you right in the face that everything about him and his ilk are contrary to what America is? "
dyan wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:23 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:08 AM:
" http://www.liberallyconservative.com/?p=2918
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and Obamacare - Angel(s) of Death!
Dr. Emanuel believes that “communitarianism” should guide decisions on who gets care.
He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. ‘96).
Dr. Emanuel explicitly defends discrimination against older patients:
“Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years” (Lancet, Jan. 31).
Obama and his medical ilk want to control costs by controlling innovation. Emanuel criticizes Americans for being too “enamored with technology” and is determined to reduce access to it.
However, Obamacare would involve technology telling doctors how to render treatment via electronically delivered guidelines called “embedded clinical decision support”. "
jramagic wrote on Aug 12, 2009 8:04 AM:
jbhiker wrote on Aug 12, 2009 7:58 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 12, 2009 7:56 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 12, 2009 7:55 AM:
The Obama admin. is doing their best to keep the bill from being completeley
revealed to the public in fear once they do hear the jist of the bill they know it's curtains for it. That being said, how are ALL of us not being manipulated by the Obama admin? "
max stanfield wrote on Aug 12, 2009 7:45 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 12, 2009 6:38 AM:
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