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America needs to reform its health care
Tuesday, August 4, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
The regressive, obstructive Republicans voted against Social Security when President Roosevelt signed it into law.
The Republicans voted against Medicare when President Johnson signed it into law. All Americans should be thankful for Roosevelt and Johnson.
These Republicans want to repeal Medicare and give our Social Security away to the cuts on Wall Street, people like Bernard Madoff and Ken Lay. Now they want President Obama to fail. If President Obama fails, America fails. America needs to reform its health care system, which is the costliest in the world.
I support a government part for those of us living below the poverty level who can't afford and do not have health insurance. I make less than $2,000 a month, pay rent, car insurance, get food and pay my phone bill.
It is immoral that America is the only developed nation in the world that does not have health care as a right of all its citizens.
Arne Aasen
Lodi
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Lodian wrote on Aug 11, 2009 4:13 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 11, 2009 8:32 AM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 11, 2009 8:12 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 PM:
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Ezekial Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). "
ttian wrote on Aug 10, 2009 10:04 PM:
ttian wrote on Aug 10, 2009 10:03 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 PM:
dyan wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:41 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:20 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:17 PM:
" Here is the typical liberal chain of thinking: Throw out a couple of half-baked facts. When they are challenged. Take that challenge as a personal attack against one's terminal self-righteousness. Fire back with the name-calling of a six-year-old. "
Are you saying Brian is a liberal? "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:17 PM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:16 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:16 PM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 10, 2009 3:13 PM:
You are an idiot. "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:40 AM:
I used the "illegal immigrant" example to illustrate this .. a population segment that is a large percentage of healthcare utilization in California, that also has the lowest ability to pay anything, and virtually no health insurance.
SOMEONE has to pay the facilities and providers for those services. With the model proposed by Obama, I guess the government wants facilities and providers to donate their time (not expect any payment), because unless that problem is solved - insurance will continue to rise.
If you were a truck driver, would you take a load across the country for free just because illegal immigrants needed what was in your trailer?
I think not. "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:33 AM:
We already have the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. So why is the cost of insurance INCREASING SO QUICKLY?
Its simple.
It goes back to the cost of service.
Hospitals, clinics and other healthcare providers must provide service to everyone regardless of whether they have insurance or not .. regardless of their immigration status .. regardless of their ability to pay.
I believe the solution is pretty simple. Control costs of healthcare by providing comprehensive services to US Citizens. Provide only basic emergency care for illegals (triage) then deport them.
This will eliminate the environment where healthcare facilities have to recuperate the cost of services provided for free through the health insurance channel (where the money is), and provide a higher level of services to citizens in this country.
This will also ENCOURAGE illegals to emmigrate to this country legally in order to have access to that benefit. "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:26 AM:
Brian wrote:
"SportGuru... I don't buy the notion that health insurance has to be high just because we have the best healthcare here."
You validate my point Brian. Do you think the BEST HEALTHCARE in the world should be the CHEAPEST? The economics of that are impossible. To have the best healthcare system, you have to have the best.. (a) professionals, (b) education and training, (c) facilities, (d) equipment, (e) technology, (d) techniques and methodologies.
None of those things are CHEAP to acquire. So that leaves you with "We want the BEST, but want someone else to pay for it". "
dyan wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:21 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 10, 2009 9:16 AM:
mike wrote on Aug 9, 2009 7:53 PM:
and continued with;This makes no sense. You want "social programs" to help the uninsured, and yet you oppose a public option. You want poor people covered, yet you won't contribute.
then finished with;Give evidence to prove one of my points wrong. Provide evidence for your own points while you're at it.
I´m sorry voter, but, again I read all these posts as baseless.
I previously stated; I do not want to pay for Bobs well being-that's his job. For those who truly cannot take care of themselves-it's societies job.
telling me what I think or will contribute to has no merit.
I'm all for lots of public options, for many reasons, not just one option for everyone. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 9, 2009 7:33 PM:
Now that is a perfect example of Brianese. I can't tell if it is a run-on sentence or a fragment. Classic. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 4:33 PM:
" Lodian wrote,
Do you really have to make up such fairytales to get your point across? "
-pot kettle black "
brian: Please tell us all what "fairytale" you are referring. lol! "
Brian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 4:04 PM:
One does not have to watch Olberman to know what the typical liberal talking points are. On the few occasions I watched him he is almost hilarious how predictable a simpletan can be. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 9, 2009 3:54 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 3:49 PM:
" Brian wrote "Unlike you hero Keith Oberman, the King of making a mockery of everything."
Brian: I've never mentioned the man's name, ever.
-Yet so much of what you say is what Oberman says word for word. You should give yourself credit for being able to emulate someone of your ilk without even knowing what he says. "
Brian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 3:40 PM:
" Brian: So, your buddy that delivers blood samples to and fro is your source for definitive information on the misdiagnoses of Americans. Is your plumber your source for global warming? "
-Yes, he is responsible for thousands of blood samples being shipped all over the country to various blood testing labs. He has to know what temperature each sample has to be delivered in. If you deliver it in the wrong temperature
it could produce the wrong diagnosis.
And perhaps my plumber knows a little bit more about climate change. At least I didn't pick a dufus like Al Gore to be the spokesmouth for climate change.. "
Brian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 3:32 PM:
Do you really have to make up such fairytales to get your point across? "
-pot kettle black "
Lodian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 1:44 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 1:39 PM:
Brian: I've never mentioned the man's name, ever. Do you really have to make up such fairytales to get your point across? "
Brian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 11:05 AM:
The Chronicle is just an extension of the secular progressive movement. You're always calling on me to provide
a more reputable source of information.
Your hipocracy has no boundries.
A little sidenote to your findings:
If we had tort reform we wouldn't have doctors under so much pressure to issue
unnecessary tests on their patients. The caseload the blood labs have is huge and they are bound to make mistakes
in their diagnosis. Yet their misdiagnoses are very small compared to other industrialized countries. If your interested in the success rate I have a friend who owns a company that picks up blood samples and he can tell you the U.S. has the lowest percentage of misdiagnoses in the world. I know you libs expect this utopia where there is always perfection. Not in this world.
But we should always strive for perfection. In the medical world, though, there are too many variables. "
Brian wrote on Aug 9, 2009 10:47 AM:
You do know that Limbaugh is an entertainer, right?
-He is more a provider of pertinent information. Unlike you hero Keith Oberman, the King of making a mockery of everything. "
dyan wrote on Aug 9, 2009 8:34 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 9, 2009 7:36 AM:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/09/MNN9191UIJ.DTL "
voter wrote on Aug 9, 2009 7:21 AM:
" Given my choice I still would rather get sick in America with its flawed system, than most European counties and their socialists system."
That's amazing. It sounds like you would like to reject Medicare then--as it is a single payer "socialist" program in your thinking, isn't it?
mike continues, "Undoubtedly for those who truly cannot afford health coverage there should be workable social programs in place. Expand/fiX Medicaid, but don't expect me to want to pay for Bob’s therapy because he never learned to play nice on the playground."
This makes no sense. You want "social programs" to help the uninsured, and yet you oppose a public option. You want poor people covered, yet you won't contribute.
Mike adds, "And voter; . . . I still read your talking points as being as baseless and merit less as you so often accuse your ideological opponents of. "
Prove it. Give evidence to prove one of my points wrong. Provide evidence for your own points while you're at it. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 9, 2009 12:07 AM:
mike wrote on Aug 8, 2009 11:56 PM:
Undoubtedly for those who truly cannot afford health coverage there should be workable social programs in place. Expand/fiX Medicaid, but don't expect me to want to pay for Bob’s therapy because he never learned to play nice on the playground.
No matter how brazen it sounds, because I can't, won't or don't pay for something, it does not mean I am denied it.
And voter; no matter how educated and sophisticated you think you are or those who differ in opinion of you are not, I still read your talking points as being as baseless and merit less as you so often accuse your ideological opponents of. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 11:28 PM:
You do know that Limbaugh is an entertainer, right? "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 10:47 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 10:43 PM:
without referring to other sources. Except for the Michelle Obama thing and the one link with part of the article,
all the rest of my posts are mine. They are so jealous that they don't have good common sense like me. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 10:36 PM:
Never knew Rush said that. But that doesn't keep Lodian and Bob from calling me guilty by association. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 7:31 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 8, 2009 5:23 PM:
As heard on Thursday's Rush Limbaugh show.
Once again Brian, if you would put forth an ORIGINAL thought, somebody might engage you in a discussion. As long as you continue to steal other people's material and claim it as your own, you will be the Blog Buffoon. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 3:22 PM:
Is that your excuse for not answering a simple question? It seems to me the rational mind would be against healthcare rationing. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 8, 2009 2:55 PM:
I'm sorry, I still don't speak Brianese. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 12:33 PM:
but a doctor can't. Indeed there are many doctors more than willing to offer their services for free. But many choose not to do it because they can't write it off. It doesn't seem fair that a lawyer does not have to be part of a non-profit to write off his free services. "
voter wrote on Aug 8, 2009 11:28 AM:
" voter, who is denied the most basic health care? "
Uh, people who are uninsured.
Brian can't get his proctology exams at an emergency room. Can't get any preventative care in the emergency room. No chemo in the emergency room. No physical therapy, no diagnosis or monitoring for chronic conditions. People without insurance wait until the situation is a crisis and then end up in an emergency room, where it is often too late for a positive outcome. If they are lucky enough to recover, the bill is enormous--emergency care always is. No insurance or being underinsured is a leading cause of bankruptcy. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:32 AM:
I can't think of another way Obamacare will work unless healthcare is rationed.
Please provide us from your infinite wisdom that this does not have to happen? "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:27 AM:
Beware of Bureaucrats' Prescriptions
If this new medical scheme is so wonderful, why can't it stand the light of day or a little time to think about it?
The obvious answer is that the administration doesn't want us to know what it is all about or else we would not go along with it. Far better to say that we can't wait, that things are just too urgent. This tactic worked with whizzing the "stimulus" package through Congress, even though the stimulus package itself has not worked.
Any serious discussion of government-run medical care would have to look at other countries where there is government-run medical care. As someone who has done some research on this for my book "Applied Economics," I can tell you that the actual consequences of government-controlled medical care is not a pretty picture, however inspiring the rhetoric that accompanies it.
Thirty thousand Canadians are passing up free medical care at home to go to some other country where they have to pay for it. People don't do that without a reason. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:23 AM:
" Bryan wrote: now Bob is going to tell us the GOP has payed this office off to doctor the facts. "
"doctor" the facts....Bryan, you made a joke! Good for you dude/lady! "
Well Bob,
Is it too much too ask that you and your cronies can explain how this office could be so wrong about their assessment of Obamacare? "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:17 AM:
Once again, mike is relying on someone else to do his thinking for him. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 8, 2009 9:13 AM:
"doctor" the facts....Bryan, you made a joke! Good for you dude/lady! "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:58 AM:
You and your ignorant friends should think for yourselves just once, instead of letting Faux News bobbleheads do it for you. I guess that's easier for you though. "
Hmm, I got my evidence from the Non-
Partisan Congressional Budget Office Website. Of course, now Bob is going to tell us the GOP has payed this office off to doctor the facts. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:53 AM:
that Obama's plan will not only limit but discriminate those who may be too old in his eyes to recieve healthcare under his plan. I wonder how voter will explain to her grandparents and other elders that it's in the best interest
of Obama to ration healthcare and you're first on the list to be thrown under the bus. "
mike wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:51 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:48 AM:
at hospital emergency room entrances denying access to those seeking medical care. "
mike wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:48 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:46 AM:
Mike learned all about the evils of health care reform from someone named "sportsguru"??? Hahahahah
You and your ignorant friends should think for yourselves just once, instead of letting Faux News bobbleheads do it for you. I guess that's easier for you though. "
Brian wrote on Aug 8, 2009 8:45 AM:
And here is the funniest part: All the loving Christians in this town who would deny the most basic healthcare to their fellow citizens. Ignorance and selfishness run deeper than any reverence for Jesus in this town. "
-I doubt loving Christians or anyone
would espouse breaking a federal law
that no American can be denied the most basic healthcare. But this doesn't keep voter from dragging Christians through the mudd in order to advance her secular liberal ideology. "
voter wrote on Aug 8, 2009 7:38 AM:
voter wrote on Aug 8, 2009 7:32 AM:
And here is the funniest part: All the loving Christians in this town who would deny the most basic healthcare to their fellow citizens. Ignorance and selfishness run deeper than any reverence for Jesus in this town. "
mike wrote on Aug 8, 2009 6:00 AM:
Read what sprtsguru wrote and maybe you will educate yourself and not sound so inept at discourse. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:14 PM:
mike wrote on Aug 7, 2009 8:56 PM:
" mike - don't post in ignorance.
My district (not LUSD) pays a portion of our medical. The rest ($1800/month this year) comes out of my check."
You are correct Bob, it was ignorant of me to think you were so stupid as to not know what your insurance costs were.
wow! that's a pretty big chunk a change you gotta pay. no wonder you're so for socialized health care. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 7, 2009 2:57 PM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 7, 2009 9:53 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 7, 2009 9:44 AM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 7, 2009 9:36 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 7, 2009 8:43 AM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 7, 2009 8:27 AM:
dyan wrote on Aug 7, 2009 6:55 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:59 PM:
Here's a marching order for you Brian: Think for yourself once in a while. I promise it doesn't hurt. "
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:42 PM:
"In my own life, in my own small way, I have tried to give back to this country that has given me so much," she said. "See, that's why I left a job at a big law firm for a career in public service, " Michelle Obama
This First Lady requires more than 20 attendants No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn't perform any official duties. But this hasn't deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession. Just think Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out the salary for her personal secretary. How things have changed! "
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 3:22 PM:
It seems to me the burden of government overrregualtion on the health insurance industry is directly
tied to their inability to provide health insurance at a reasonable cost. I don't buy the notion that health insurance has to be high just because
we have the best healthcare here.
Oh what a tangled web government regulation weaves. "
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 3:17 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 3:14 PM:
The health insurance industry IS 1/7th the nations economy. Now will you please explain to us how Obama's plan of wiping this portion of the economy off the books is productive? "
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 3:10 PM:
" More Brian paranoia. So great...
I do love the irony of HMO employees losing their health coverage in Brian's apocalyptic view of things.
-No Bob,
Even if I had HMO insurance I would still have the same position on Obamacare. You are just an extention of the Obama administration trying to pull the wool over the people's eyes. Fortunately, B.O. is losing support on this disaster of a plan that you so gladly accept as a solution. Have you always been this gullible? "
bulldog wrote on Aug 6, 2009 2:15 PM:
" So bulldog, because a 200 year old document -- written before the concept of universal education and health care ever existed -- doesn't use those exact words, you don't think all American are entitled to them?
You need both an education and some mental health care because you live in a sad, sorry little bubble. "
Bob - you don't like the constitution now? If it ain't in there, then add it. We have a mechanism for doing that - it is called the ammendment process. I like the way you just push the rules of our government out the window when they don't fit your argument.
As for my education, or lack thereof, I have a bachelors and masters degree. My world is a very happy place, not sad at all. And I don't need mental health care, I am doing just fine.
Please refrain from posting derogatory remarks about my mental health in the future or I will report this to the moderators. "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:36 PM:
CASH FOR CLUNKERS is a GREAT EXAMPLE of how the federal government operates.
"Let's give a billion dollars (that sounds like a lot!) to people to buy new cars in exchange for their used cars".
What they FORGOT to consider....
HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE NEED to RUN THIS PROGRAM FOR MORE THAN A MONTH?
WHAT WILL THE IMPACT OF THE PROGRAM BE ON CAR DONATION PROGRAMS?
Imagine that lack of foresight with regards to a nationalized healthcare system .... FRIGHTENING! "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:32 PM:
Arne, this isn't a "Republican" vs "Democrat" issue .. it is a "Free Market" vs "Socialism" issue!
America has the HIGHEST QUALITY HEALTHCARE in all the world. Free Market advocates want to maintain quality through free market competition (better service costs more to provide).
That is why America has some of the most EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE in the world.. because the quality is high! (Why else would dignitaries from all over the world come here for healthcare when their own countries provide socialist healthcare programs?). "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:31 PM:
CONTINUED
.
Socialists want healthcare provided to everyone for free. But the cost of that is MASSIVE, so what that basically equates to is ... the CHEAPEST HEALCARE PROVIDED TO ALL (except, of course to the political elite who will continue to want high quality healthcare regardless of cost).
Anyone who has run a business knows that in most cases, you cannot have a product / service that is both HIGHEST QUALITY and CHEAPEST PRICE. Those two things represent a trade off. To be the CHEAPEST you have to sacrifice some quality. To be the BEST you have to spend more money and thus increase the price.
What is in debate is the balance between those two things (e.g. How much PROFIT is the healthcare industry entitled to?).
Just remember, that you get what you pay for. "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:31 PM:
CONTINUED
.
What the administration envisions is the BEST HEALTHCARE in the world (we already have that), at the LOWEST PRICE so that it can be made available to EVERYONE (regardless of status). That is "pie in the sky" thinking!
That is a great "feel good" idea, but it isn't realistic. The Quality / Price trade-off makes that impossible.
And because of that reality, HIGHEST QUALITY cannot be paid for by our government without incurring more MASSIVE DEBT.
With the economy we currently have, that isn't possible.
Obama's answer is "the Government". The only way that works long term financially is if the Government is the ONLY PAYER OF HEALTHCARE COSTS, which means Private Insurance has to go away. Given how poorly the government runs food stamps, medi-care and other services - is that what we really want? "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:30 PM:
CONTINUED
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One of the biggest contributing factors that created the GREAT DEPRESSION was lack of spending brought on by unemployment (over 25%) and , (b) increases in Capital Taxation (for the rich, and for businesses) and government spending increases.
The result was that business and wealthy people stopped investing, and thus jobs were not created and unemployment continued to grow. This allowed the depression to deepen, and is widely believed to have significantly extended the period of the depression.
Does that sound familiar? The current administration doesn't seem to have learned the lessons of the great depression.
It is obvious to me that Obama believes, as Karl Marx believed, that recession and depression as unavoidable under free-market capitalism because there are no restrictions on accumulations of capital other than the market itself. Therefore, Marx believed that control of markets was essential to creating a communist utopia.
That is the path that the current administration is taking .. socialism leading to Marxism. "
SportsGuru wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:28 PM:
(cont)
.
The result was that business and wealthy people stopped investing, and thus jobs were not created and unemployment continued to grow. This allowed the depression to deepen, and is widely believed to have significantly extended the period of the depression.
Does that sound familiar? The current administration doesn't seem to have learned the lessons of the great depression.
It is obvious to me that Obama believes, as Karl Marx believed, that recession and depression as unavoidable under free-market capitalism because there are no restrictions on accumulations of capital other than the market itself. Therefore, Marx believed that control of markets was essential to creating a communist utopia.
That is the path that the current administration is taking .. socialism leading to Marxism. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 6, 2009 9:48 AM:
I do love the irony of HMO employees losing their health coverage in Brian's apocalyptic view of things. "
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:30 AM:
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:27 AM:
Why are you two such advocates of wiping out 1/7th of the nations economy
(the health insurance industry) and turning it over to the government? "
Brian wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:21 AM:
No one can be denied treatment. Now, as far as a right to health insurance. They have a right, as long as they can afford it or they qualify for socialized care. Obama wants to take away the private sector and force everyone to use governemnt sponsored care. This is the key reason so many are opposed to this bill. "
voter wrote on Aug 5, 2009 4:10 PM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 5, 2009 12:54 PM:
You need both an education and some mental health care because you live in a sad, sorry little bubble. "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 5, 2009 12:50 PM:
My district (not LUSD) pays a portion of our medical. The rest ($1800/month this year) comes out of my check.
Next time, educate yourself before you post something stupid. "
Bulldog wrote on Aug 5, 2009 9:08 AM:
As for my insurance, it is OK. I get it through my employer. When I did not have employer insurance, I bought it myself. When I did not like the insurance company, I switched. We are doing just fine - thank you very much. I wish you much health in your life. "
mike wrote on Aug 5, 2009 7:55 AM:
I'm guessing, you have no idea what that school distrct pays for your health coverage, it's one of your entitlements, huh? "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 4, 2009 11:23 PM:
You mean agree with you? You are an immature baby veritas. Your postion is weak, others have valid points, and all you can come up with is, "nuh uh!"
Go have a juice box and watch some cartoons little boy. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 4, 2009 11:18 PM:
Your selfish attitude is a serious illness. I doubt your Fantasyland HMO covers it. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 4, 2009 11:11 PM:
veritas wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:58 PM:
jeff wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:56 PM:
Also, 79% are natural born citizens, the remaining being split between legal and illegal immigrants.
Further, 46%, nearly half, worked full time.
Finally, 47% were employed by small to medium businesses (less than 100 employees).
Oh, and 48% are white... "
jeff wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:32 PM:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/hlthins/hlthin07/hlth07asc.html "
veritas wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:31 PM:
jeff wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:28 PM:
from a 2005 HHS Report (Bush's HHS)
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/05/uninsured-cps/index.htm#Insurance
so how did we decrease from 45 to 8 million in 3 years? Oh yeah, we didn't. "
veritas wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:26 PM:
jeff wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:22 PM:
veritas wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:19 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:12 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Aug 4, 2009 3:42 PM:
gray cloud wrote on Aug 4, 2009 3:16 PM:
Bulldog wrote on Aug 4, 2009 1:08 PM:
While your reading the constitution, show me where it says healthcare is a fundamental right?
Is there a new ammendment in there that slipped by me?
Arnie - How many Americans are happy with there medicare plan? Ask them if they did better with employer provided health care or if medicare is better. And why not ask the doctors why they don't take medicare patients any more? Because treating patients with medicare coverage is charitable work now days.
Sorry, the Obama plan is not good medicine. "
wtf wrote on Aug 4, 2009 9:39 AM:
(10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.
(9) Directions to your doctor's office include "Take a left when you enter the trailer park."
(8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudgesicles.
(7) The only proctologist in the plan is "Gus" from Roto-Rooter.
(6) The only item listed under Preventive Care Coverage is "an apple a day..."
(5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you gave to Goodwill last month.
(4) "The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network charges," is not a typographical error.
(3) The only expense covered 100% is "embalming."
(2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M's on them.
AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU'VE JOINED A VERY CHEAP HEALTH CARE PLAN:
(1) You ask for Viagra and they give you a Popsicle stick and Duct Tape. "
wtf wrote on Aug 4, 2009 9:27 AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA8IM550tTU&feature=player_embedded "
stantaves wrote on Aug 4, 2009 9:19 AM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Aug 4, 2009 9:03 AM:
Yeah, I'm sure you turn down your VA coverage because you don't think you have a right to it. Hypocrite.
Healthcare, like education, is a FUNDAMENTAL right of all citizens. "
Cogito wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:18 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 4, 2009 7:59 AM:
I'd like to see Obama's plan on how to pay for nationalized healthcare when it is bankrupt as well. Oh, that's right, he'll just tax hard working Americans even more. "
CaPatriot wrote on Aug 4, 2009 7:24 AM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Aug 4, 2009 6:14 AM:
But just where will these entitlements end? After healthcare, wouldn't it be logical for the government to pay for all other types of insurance (auto, homeowners, renters, etc.)? Also, isn't the need to eat a fundamental of living? Following your reasoning, the supermarkets should be open to all to simply walk in and take what they want; all provided by the U.S. Government.
No, Mr. Aasen-healthcare is not a right and shouldn't become one. The bill moving around in the Capitol hasn't even been read by those who desire to ram it down our throats; too many "to be determined" clauses in that 1,000-plus page pile of manure.
There are many who DO provide for themselves and their families by planning for the eventuality of disease. And for those who cannot afford it, of course they should be helped. But to have the government take it over and run it? You'll soon find out why the Canadians head south when they need real medical assistance.
It's a bad idea, Mr. Aasen. "
wtf wrote on Aug 4, 2009 6:11 AM:
Personal Responsibility.
If one takes care of one's self with preventive measures one would only need "insurance" for accidents and other catastrophic events. "
yabajobu wrote on Aug 4, 2009 4:25 AM:
Further, healthcare as a right, like social security, is another way of saying that you believe you have a right to take someone else's money for your own use. Why should you have any right to take someone else's money so that you can use it? If you forced someone else to pay for your doctor's visit at the point of a gun you would be arrested. That is exactly what happens when you make healthcare a "right", only it is the government that holds the gun to someone else. Yet you feel entirely justified in demanding that someone else be forced to pay for your healthcare. This kind of coersion is wrong. "
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