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Is Earth's atmosphere really so fragile?


Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:37 AM PDT

How much do we really know about global warming?

The quiz below will help you evaluate your own level of knowledge on the subject. The answers were taken from a graphic created by the Heritage Foundation's National Center of Policy Analysis, which was printed as part of the lead editorial in the June 29 edition of Investors Business Daily.

The global warming quiz is as follows:

1. Greenhouse gases make up what percentage of the earth's atmosphere? a) 25 percent b) 12.7 percent c) 4.9 percent d) 2 percent

2. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is what percentage of all greenhouse gases? a) 20.7 percent b) 12.15 percent c) 5.1 percent d) 3.62 percent

3. What percentage of the above carbon dioxide is caused by human activity and thus subject to potential reduction via human efforts like President Obama's proposed "Cap and Trade" program? a) 15.1 percent b) 11.9 percent c) 5.2 percent d) 3.4 percent

4. What percentage of Earth's atmosphere is composed of carbon dioxide created by, or resulting from, human activity which we are told must be reduced to avoid catastrophe? a) 1 percent b) .025 percent c) .0075 percent d) 0.0025 percent

"D" is the correct answers to all of the above questions. The 25 one-thousandths of a percent answer to question 4 was calculated by multiplying the "D" answers in questions 1 through 3, i.e. .02 x .0362 x .34 is equal to .0000246 or .0025 percent rounded off.

Does it seem plausible or logical to you that the earth's atmospheric balance is so fragile and hypersensitive to the infinitesimally small amount of carbon dioxide created by mankind that we need to do something as drastic as President Obama's "Cap and Trade" program, which will add $1,800 to $2,000 per year to every family's utility bill, according to the most recent projections? If not, then perhaps we should all raise such a ruckus that neither the President nor Congress can ignore.

Greg Myers
Woodbridge

Reader Feedback

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 29, 2009 9:13 PM:

" Rhodie, MASH was great in its day. By the end it was more of a drama with funny moments, however. Too preachy.

I kinda like that it hard to find AD - helps it maintain its cult status.

Hot tip: Check out "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" on FX. Season 5 starts in September. Another great comedy with a very small but loyal following, kinda like Dan. "

Rhodie wrote on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM:

" Don't know Bob, I always thought MASH was the greatest comedy in tv history. How many years since the series ended and you can still find it daily on TV, I haven't seen AD on tv in a while. I think Angel gets more air time than AD gets.

Right now the family enjoys The Big Bang Theory (maybe because one of the characters reminds us of our oldest). "

Bob Loblaw wrote on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM:

" The irony, Psycho Dan, is your insane babbling on these blogs make you sound like an AD character. I picture you as a Tobias Funke type of guy. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM:

" Dan Dan The Psycho Man, you are also an idiot, man. Of course I watched the greatest comedy in TV history. You are missing out by dismissing it out of hand (one of your few skills).

My "Hussein" middle name is in support of our great president. Nobody should be judged by their middle name, even though you would love to.

THAT'S WHY, you think before you type (if you watched AD you would get this reference). "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:56 PM:

" Funny story. Some guy did the kind of thing that I'm describing below. He had res judicata, stare decisis, and collateral estoppel on an issue.

In court, the judge tricked him into arguing the points that were already agreed.

The file that was already agreed, with a nuclear force field around it got turned upside-down, and the judge said in his/her court, they were going to argue the whole thing again.

The guy who lost his case went home, asked what to do.

You would think that a prestigious law firm would learn the first time that if they non-respond against an affidavit the first time, saw the consequences, escaped by luck in the courtroom, that they wouldn't commit the same mistake the second time they were presented with the same affidavit.

They did. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:52 PM:

" (It's OK if you are.) "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:52 PM:

" Aimee: How intriguing is that?
You aren't a lawyer, are you? "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Aimee: I do not have any counsel, and there will be no litigation. Everything is settled. There is no controversy. By administrative remedy, everybody is in agreement by tacit procuration, with res judicata, stare decisis, and collateral estoppel.
Additionally:
I made a conspicuous statement that if anyone wants to join the party, I can add their name to the list of libelees, if they merely act like they are involved in the contract.

I don't think the fraudulent libelees on the other end were ever concerned that they were served an affivit, and they must be thinking that I'm nobody and I don't have any money or power, so they are probably thinking that they have enough money to hire a lawyer if I ever try to file a public lien against them.
Unbelievable. When I wrote the affidavit, I was concerned with their making a rebuttal, so I put everything on there.
My mentors only put 2 statements, and they get a non-response, again, with res judicata, stare decisis, and collateral estoppel. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 PM:

" Aimee: Perhaps I should have asked you for your profession before I spilled some beans.

You caught the word "libel"

Generally, that word does not appear in state court. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 PM:

" Aimee: Important correction:
definitions of "vessel"

a person is a "vessel" but a living man/woman is not.

If living people don't know the difference, then they act like the vessel, and are subject to its regulations and liabilities. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:35 PM:

" Aimee:
ALL ARE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW – Exodus 21:23-25, Lev. 24: 17-21; Deut. 1: 17, 19:21; Matthew 22:36-40; Luke 10:17; Colossians 3:25
IN COMMERCE TRUTH IS SOVEREIGN – Exodus 20:16
TRUTH IS EXPRESSED IN THE FORM OF AN AFFIDAVIT – Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev. 19:11-13; Num. 30:2; Mat. 5:33; James 5:12
AN UNREBUTTED AFFIDAVIT STANDS AS THE TRUTH IN COMMERCE – 1 Peter 1:25; Hebrews 6:13-15
AN UNREBUTTED AFFIDAVIT BECOMES THE JUDGEMENT IN COMMERCE - Hebrews 6:16-17
IN COMMERCE FOR ANY MATTER TO BE RESOLVED IT MUST BE EXPRESSED
HE WHO LEAVES THE FIELD OF BATTLE FIRST LOSES BY DEFAULT
SACRIFICE IS THE MEASURE OF CREDIBILITY – "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 PM:

" Aimee: Interesting: You pulled up a citation from something I wrote 3-months ago.
you saw that I offered notice and an opportunity to rebut the presumption, along with an agreement for public embarrassment if he does not rebut but continues the same behavior.
I believe this would be called an offer of waiver of tort.
… he continued to act the same, as usual, and he suffered the consequences of public embarrassment which you showed him.
After 3-months, apparently, you had saved my offer and presented it back to the mindless person. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:26 PM:

" Aimee:
Do you know about the “savings to suitors” clause? (This is it.)
Probably the most powerful body of law in the federal books is maritime law.
Do you know any maritime law? Are you aware of the Admiralty Extension Act?
If you look into the Admiralty Extension Act, you will see where Admiralty Law has jurisdiction.
Do you know the definition of “vessel”? I challenge you to look at the codified definitions of “vessel” and show me where it is absolutely not living people.
… to be continued. I’ll get some biblical quotes, and one more thing. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:20 PM:

" What else is interesting about Bob Lob with the middle name is that the true character name was just Bob Loblaw. In the TV series, he was accused of meeting with Saddam Hussein in his travel to Iraq, because he brought back some memorabilia which indicated that he had made the visit. "

Aimee wrote on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 PM:

" daniel: Sounds very intriguing. Having a strong background in law, placing the words "libel" and "public and private" together does make sense to me. I am just trying to figure out the religous part of the answer...although the Establishment Clause comes to mind, for some odd reason. I have to admit at this point I am stumped...

On a pending claim, it is wise of you to remain cryptic on a public forum. After this is all over, if I haven't figured it out, tell me what's up. I am intrigued now with your description of the case. Are you litigating this yourself or with the help of counsel? "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 4:37 PM:

" I got the idea to look up Bob "Hussein" Loblaw after having done the same with Ivan Dixon, who is straight out of Hogan's Heros, and several other programs.

Ivan Dixon was "Kinchy" in Hogan's Heroes. "

danielh wrote on Jul 28, 2009 4:32 PM:

" lodian: Bob "Hussein" Loblaw was a character in Hollywood's Arrested Development.

Bob Lob accuses me of watching the show, but at the same time, he is not able to understand my question for how he got a UserID that jumped directly out of the program, without his ever having watched the program himself.

I don't endorse anything out of television except Spong Bob. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 28, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Psycho Dan is off his meds again. Let the craziness continue! "

danielH wrote on Jul 28, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Aimee: If you're biting your nails, I can't post in this forum because it's nuclear, and it doesn't have a safety switch, and then I'll be in trouble. Specific references must be private, and in the public, I can only drop hints of what to study.

Do you recall Obama making any references to the private class. Well, public people thought he was talking about them. WRONG. Hence I said "private," and remedies can only be found if you understand the difference between public and private, and get out of the public. "

danielH wrote on Jul 28, 2009 2:03 PM:

" Aimee: The process that I am using is a biblical remedy that is available to anyone, and it can be used against any government agency or a corporation who does wrong against people.
1) you must know who you are.
2) you must understand biblical maxims of law.
The federal government probably would like to prevent people like us from using this established federal law, but they can't delete it, because they are using it too, dishonorably.
In my claim, the Libelees own and operate a church, and have a lot of money and power in the community because of the church, or vice versa (money).
Ironically, in my offer of grace at the beginning of the claim, I made reference to the biblical origin of the laws that I was going to use against them. In spite of their “Godliness,” they didn’t understand the meaning and significance, and the claim proceeded. Basically, I was offering them a way out, at the beginning. "

danielH wrote on Jul 28, 2009 1:45 PM:

" Aimee: If you can believe this, my process is stalled because the California Secretary of State found a defect on my notary's official stamp.

Literally, they gave him a stamp that mis-spelled his name.

I have to wait for my notary to get a new stamp, and then I can proceed.

I gave the Libelees 3-days to respond, and I have now waited about 15 days, because the notary is out-of-commission. "

danielH wrote on Jul 28, 2009 1:42 PM:

" Aimee: Thank you. I thought I was the only one in here with Bob Lob.

You actually read the $27 M buried down there.

At the present time, I have to serve two more documents upon the Libelees, and it is perfected. The second one that I have will drive a stake into their chest, and they'll be nailed down. Nothing they can do. "

Lodian wrote on Jul 27, 2009 10:23 PM:

" Greg Myers: How have you decided on which experts to believe? "

Lodian wrote on Jul 27, 2009 10:20 PM:

" Bob: Aimee tends to take herself, and blogging on these boards, way too seriously. "

Lodian wrote on Jul 27, 2009 12:40 PM:

" lol! "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 26, 2009 2:50 PM:

" ummmm, nope, that's it Aimee. That's all this ridiculous strand deserves. I save my "A" material for a worthy subject. "

Aimee wrote on Jul 26, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Bob: Is that the best that you can do? Don't you have anything to add that doesn't involve silliness and name calling? "

Aimee wrote on Jul 26, 2009 11:31 AM:

" Daniel: There are none so blind as those who choose not to see. I find it interesting that the conversation went downhill so fast; it was just beginning to get interesting...$27 mil, eh?

A certain hotel in Holland comes to mind when I read your posts.

For those of you that like to make sexual connections to just about everything for your own personal pleasure, no, I am not referring to a tryst or making an offer to have one.

I believe Daniel will understand the reference. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:33 PM:

" Cogito: Sorry you had to take a fall for your endorsement. That's what happens in this environment. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:08 PM:

" You should watch it Psycho Danny, you might learn something about, well, anything.

Your devolution to Kindergarten is both entertaining and sad. My goal is to get you to a preschool level. All systems go. I should say "our" goal -- conspiracy!!

I'm rubber, you're glue..... No wait, that one doesn't apply because you're the guy in the rubber room.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH Dan Dan the Psycho Man "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 6:38 PM:

" Bob Lob: And you had to bring the LNS into this. the problem is yours, not theirs.

You're down for the count. You're psychology is profiled, and you're trying to bring in other parties. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 6:37 PM:

" bob lob: Nope. I had to look it up, and it was easy to find in Wiki.

Obviously you associate yourself with the show, because your UserID comes form it. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 24, 2009 5:56 PM:

" "Bottom bowels of society" = LNS blogs. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 24, 2009 5:53 PM:

" It's good to know you watched the greatest comedy in TV history. Too bad you haven't learned from it Psycho Man. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 24, 2009 5:52 PM:

" Dan Dan the Psycho Man, did you just say, "I know you are, but what am I???" LOLOLOLOL I am cracking up at your "mature" response. HAHAHAHAHAH "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 2:50 PM:

" In Arrested Development, the character Bob Loblaw, played by Scott Baio, was caught with memoriabilia or evidence of his having communicated with Saddam Hussein when he returned from his travels in Iraq.

I am not surprised that you pretend your own UserID is Martian. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 2:48 PM:

" bob lob: I've been very patient with you, but I have to say that it is very immature and degenerate to call people names and to label them.

Your responses appear to come from the bottom bowels of society, and does not help anything.

I have enough self-esteem so that every time you try to call me names, I am disappointed instead that you can be such a person.

In other words, every word that comes out of your mouth and typewriter to describe other people is exactly what you are. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:58 AM:

" Dan Dan the Psycho Man: I'm sorry, but I don't speak Martian. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 3:30 AM:

" Hmmmmm. Scott Baio "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 AM:

" Bob lob,
I'm having a feeling of deja vu with you. You must've changed your userID from the past... and,

I just thought I'd help with some relationship or marriage counselling to clarify the perplexing confusion that besets many many relationships in America today. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:59 AM:

" danny boy, the only thing buried down below is your sanity somewhere under your manifesto.

Are the walls really rubber there, or is that just a stereotype? "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:35 AM:

" Rob Lob: There's a message for you buried down below. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:34 AM:

" voter: One more thing: You made it easy to discount the value of someone taking the time to dig into research, whereas obviously you have not.

That puts me into a position where I have something that you have not, and so you are criticizing something that you do not have, and how do you know what education is?

Not only have I received an education, but above that education, I have been able to comprehend the powers of banking from New York, and I look at it from an objective level, something that you have not done. Perhaps this you envy, because you try to criticize education without having one.

I doesn't make sense to you because you haven't gone to the work to develop your neurons to understand what I am saying, so you don't have the comprehension skill to comprehend what you criticize. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:30 AM:

" voter: I think these remarks are for you, too. Keep laughing. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:26 AM:

" Billy Rubin: So if you want to know how I got into that lien position, let's just say that it is from running my paws through piles of paper.

Will I show you how to do it, also?

I'd love to show anyone that shows the willingness to study, and it just looks like you think it's too funny.

Really, if everybody knew how to do it, the criminals would be identified, and they would leave our land and go home to the country that endorses them.

It's because of people like you who like to criticize anyone that is doing something about the criminals, that the criminals are allowed to be funded and to stay in business on our land.

Actually, I think they are gradually starting to be identified, and people are waking up. You are still a little bit comatose, though. "

danielh wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 AM:

" Billy Rubin: Next time you consider laughing at me and criticizing Cog, it might be worth your while to understand that I will soon have what I'll describe as a sizeable $27 M lien, and I am prepared to stand behind it.

So laugh all you want.

If you want to challenge my ability to collect on it, because of the tireless research that you are laughing at Cog about, I think I'll be able to discount it to sell it to some oil shieks in United Arab Emirits, and let them worry about collecting it. So keep laughing. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:43 PM:

" Billy, in case you miss my other entry on the wrong string, I apologize for my misinformation. You have exalted me to one rung ABOVE the person you call Reverend Fruitcake, not equal to. Please accept my sincere apologies. It's good to be King! "

Cogito wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:32 PM:

" Voter, you're getting Jesus mixed up with "The Shadow". The "compartmentalization" remark was strictly related to subject matter, not personality. Billy has shown an overwhelming propensity to ignore subject matter for the opportunity to assassinate the character of those with differing opinions. I can only smirk at his referring to me as a "fruitcake", a label I'm quite sure he's had hung around his neck on occasion. "

voter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:20 PM:

" And Billy brings up a good point about you and your decision to compartmentalize the ugly side of your personality. Makes it easier to feel holy and in step with the good Christians if you can put that desire to torture and murder people in a little locked box. Jesus knows what evil lurks in that dark place. Oh yes he does. "

voter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:16 PM:

" Cogito, for the record, some of the most informed and educated people I know never spent a day in college. Highly intelligent individuals have curious minds and educate themselves. Formal education is the standard way to acquire broad knowledge of the world, but it is by no means, the only way. Having said that, it's easy to tell who's bluffing. danielh seems highly intelligent to me. He also seems mentally ill. You can't compartmentalize mental illness. His scientific understanding has been clouded with paranoia and conspiracy theories. He makes no logical sense whatsoever. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM:

" danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM:"...This has been an unusually cool summer until now..."

Unusually cool? Really?
Well, I guess compared to 2,000 degrees, it has been sweater weather.

Cogito wrote on Jul 23, 2009 2:34 PM:"Daniel and I may see differently on matters political in nature, but we can compartmentalize in this case to the scientific. If you follow his writings, you'll know he's a tireless researcher."

Hmm... I think I see things differently on matters of sanity in nature.

But, your crazy compartmentalized religious blood lust aside, Cog, I'll have to agree about Daniel's research - I have no trouble envisioning him sliding around and talking to himself, pawing through papers and books stacked half way to the ceiling at 3 in the morning. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 PM:

" Bob Hussein Loblaw: I hope you and your daughter get a good laugh out of this.

I see you have a daughter. Your ex-wife must have been heavily into GW. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 PM:

" Thirty years ago, some relationships ran into complications when previous cases of global-cooling fanatics would meet and enter into relationships with global-warming fanatics at the same time.

This really caused problems. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:12 PM:

" there were actual cases of public flatulence.

These would be really bad for having children. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:11 PM:

" Previously without blog and comment technology, people would date without knowing that the other person did not share the same GW features

The GW fanatic would sometimes assume that the other person was the same.

The non-GW fanatic would not realize that their partner was heavily into GW.

Sometimes they would marry in the winter or spring, and everything would seem normal, until suddenly, whammo! The weather would get warm, usually in the summer time, and one of the persons would start to remark about CO2 releases from human activity.

Typically in marriages like these there would be no children. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM:

" GW fanatics can't find a dating venue to meet one another while the weather is cold, and we finally got some warm weather, and finally a GW letter. I am happy for them.

The GW fanatics truly need one another. A good GW blog now brings together GW fanatics unlike before.

This has been an unusually cool summer until now, so the GW fanatics finally come out of the closet to socialize for the first time since the weather was cold. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 23, 2009 2:34 PM:

" Bob, I'm only vouching here for Daniel's knowledge of things scientific vs. Voters. Voter bases her opinion of someones smarts based on their formal education. Daniel has that. Daniel and I may see differently on matters political in nature, but we can compartmentalize in this case to the scientific. If you follow his writings, you'll know he's a tireless researcher. "

voter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 2:31 PM:

" Cogito, if danielh is really your friend, you need to go find him some help. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 23, 2009 1:57 PM:

" daniel: You're an insane conspiracy theorist with zero credibility. Your posts are entertaining the way my toddler's crayon scribbles are entertaining, but yours have less substance.

Keep it coming though. My daughter and I love the laughs. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 1:02 PM:

" Bob Hussein Loblaw: That's what I would expect from you. I bet I could mail you some propoganda and you would believe every word. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:42 AM:

" Yeah Cogito, he sounds like a real expert. Those last few posts sounded so sane.... "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:19 AM:

" Conclusion: conditions will worsen until enough people realize the fraud.

My information sources estimate that in 3-years, there will not be anymore judges and lawyers in this country, because people will realize that these are the harvesting tools.

The "B" on their BAR-card represents British, and this is their first loyalty. Their client is either second priority, or last.

I think I already said in a letter that people lose in court without realizing what happened. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:15 AM:

" It doesn't surprise me that Dr. Seitz organized the petition.

Sometimes the elite-class groups actually notify the general public of the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

They released Wizard of Oz, a story about the stolen gold, and corporate veil immunity. After 20 years, very few people in society figured it out, so they continued to steal the gold and ship it out of Fort Knox, and disconnect it from the currency (Nixon administration).

They released The Matrix, and nobody realized that those comatose people in the cocoons were US citizens, who were funding the elite-class bankers and military commanders. Nobody figured it out, so they continue harvesting from the US citizens. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:03 AM:

" Leonard must have a day job, because he used to be in the comments for all hours of the day.

(Look, it's 11:03 AM, and I'm in here without a day job either.) "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:03 AM:

" Cogito: To make a long story short, Leonard concludes that the globe is warming (the sky is falling) because Dr. Seitz organized the petition.

I don't understand how a mind can logically link the two together, but we see Leonard yesterday still preaching his findings on Dr. Seitz, from 2 years ago. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:00 AM:

" Cogito: Thanks for the recognition. Voter doesn't seem to get very excited about things that I type in this column.

Leonard, on the other hand...

Below you see Leonard is playing with Dr. Seitz. That's a feather in his hat, and I can't say its the only feather he's got, because he might have another comment/blog achievement that I'm not aware of.

He's focused on Dr. Seitz whereas 17,000 scientists signed Seitz' petition.

I should have been suspicious of Dr. Seitz for being a professor of a universtity named, "American University." I've never heard of them before. Perhaps they put the name "American" on themselves to create the illusion of their being American. I always taught the principle of putting up misleading names, when this particular name didn't catch my attention, and

Leonard found that Dr. Seitz of American University was actually a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a satellite frontal group (a mask to conceal the true identity) of the UNITED NATIONS. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:16 AM:

" Voter, why don't you debate this issue with Daniel. He has a degree in science, and currently teaches Physics to the best of my recollection. Yet, he believes GW is a hoax. He's neither a Republican, nor getting research money related to the "crisis". You won't be able to belittle him for being scientifically illiterate. He really is a brilliant man. Go for it! "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 12:17 AM:

" We're all arguing here, and our congressmen will pretty much ignore this newspaper. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 12:16 AM:

" 5 years ago, Executive Manager Leonard was in charge of patrolling Lodi for global warming crackpots.

I tried to document the origins of the chicken little story, Report from Iron Mountain, and my good friend Dennis C wrote about a petition to document the scientists against it.

Out of 17,000 petition signers, Leonard found a defect in the organizer. There was 17,000 signatures, and Leonard spotted the head dude. I had to concede there was something wrong with him, but 17,000 signers is a huge scandal.

for his reason, Leonard was saying we should pay into the huge scam.

I admit, I didn't sign the petition. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 12:09 AM:

" 5 years ago, there was a blog in Boston somewhere stating that people like me who campaigned about the diabolical lie of GW should be place don public trial and executed for crimes against humanity and the world. "

danielh wrote on Jul 23, 2009 12:08 AM:

" Did I miss something?
Now that people actually have to reach into their wallet to pay to reduce those diabolical greenhouse gases, there really aren't that many of them after all? "

Aimee wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:09 PM:

" My point is that with all of this debate on what the cause is, should we be supporting a bill that will seriously and materially affect our lives and give the government so much control over almost every facet of our lives?

More proof is needed. Surely some of the things we humans do to the earth is not conducive to a positive and healthy environment, but is this bill the answer? I would strongly argue that it is not. "

Aimee wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:03 PM:

" People are willing to support this bill while not even the scientists can agree that humans are completely causing the climate changes we're seeing. I personally know a few of these scientists, and each one of them speaks of global warming in terms of "we think" "we theorize" "we believe" but not one of them is willing to say "yes! Humans are the main cause of the change". Yet we're willing to be severely taxed because people believe in their hearts that all of us are to blame?

Further, there is valid scientific evidence that Mars is facing the same climate changes (warming). This is no a conspiracy theory, it is fact. Further, the planets farther out are experiencing luminosity, which indicates a change to their climates as well. There is evidence that our magnetic poles are shifting and that the sun may have a huge part to play in this scenario.

In relation to those theories that have even less of a scientific basis (depending on whom you speak to) there are those who believe that the coming of the 10th planet, Nibiru, is the cause of climate change. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:42 PM:

" You got me wrong Voter. I'm a completely sold out Capitalist pig. Capitalism is freedom. Capitalism is what has made us the weathiest nation in the history of mankind. I wouldn't rather be in any other system. My paternal family is Canadian. Socialism has made the majority of that country lower middle class. I'd rather have a revolution than live like them. It's no wonder they drink so much. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:38 PM:

" Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:31 PM:
" Voter, do you have any examples of "oppression under capitalism" that was different than under Clinton or Obama, or are you just channeling Amy Goodman.

No, I was just jerking your chain.

Actually, I was surprised that you feel the common man is being oppressed by capitalism. Bush certainly contributed to that more than any of his predecessors, but those others you mention were no angels. The tide turned for the worse with Reagan, who all of you worship as some kind of messiah. It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge the problems with unrestrained capitalism. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:17 PM:

" Government run health care, the takeover of GM and Chrysler, governmental control of banking, the revamp of the Fed, are all examples of Socialist idealism creeping into our society. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:31 PM:

" Voter, do you have any examples of "oppression under capitalism" that was different than under Clinton or Obama, or are you just channeling Amy Goodman. "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:32 PM:

" voter wrote: "You must not have checked my link."

Matter of fact, I did. ;) This will need more research including, since I am such a fair person, links from you, voter, showing those scientists *not* in government pay, who support cap 'n tax.

Look forward to reviewing your info. Thanks in advance! "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:47 PM:
" Marxism: "society's development from bourgeois opression under capitalism to a socialist, and ultimately classless society" Marxism has a long history of complete failure. "


So, essentially you believe that the oppression under captialism that developed during the Bush years is now moving towards a classless, socialist society? "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM:

" Where did I say I support the current bill? "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:53 PM:

" Cog, you mean profiteers like Dr. Seitz, known as the $45 million man? "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:53 PM:

" I apologize Voter, thank you for your candid answer. So your willing to support a worthless bill that will only result in lost jobs and revenue. You are a true leftist. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:52 PM:

" Look down. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:51 PM:

" Plus, you're still ignoring my question. Your silence it seems has already answered for you. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM:

" I do not think Cap and Trade will solve global warming. In some form, it would be a good start, but too many concessions have been made to industry since the inception of the bill for it to have major effect. We need to find an incentive for industry to go green as much as possible. Obviously, there is no longer a corporate code of morality to compel the largest polluters to be good citizens of the world. What's your solution? "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM:

" Voter, are we supposed to ignore the studies made by Greenpeace for the same reasons? What about any study where the scientists, or organizations, are to financially gain from one certain outcome over another? "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:47 PM:

" Marxism: "society's development from bourgeois opression under capitalism to a socialist, and ultimately classless society" Marxism has a long history of complete failure. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM:

" What happened to your inquiring mind, wtf? You must not have checked my link. That whole Oregon Project is a JOKE financed by the oil companies. Most of the names on the list have no connection to climate science and some have gone on the record as saying they were tricked, etc. You are usually better than this at fact checking--better than most, in fact. Go read. "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:34 PM:

" Also, voter, since I gave you a list of scientists who opposed alleged global warming; please do likewise and provide me with a list of those in favor....and no fair giving me a list of those paid by the government. ;) "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:33 PM:

" voter you seem to have overlooked Cogito's question:

do you really think that cap and trade will do anything effective in combating global warming?

I, too, am waiting for your answer....if you have one. LOL! "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:40 PM:

" Polarized thinking and decades of greed are the issue, not "the Democrats". "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:38 PM:

" What's your understanding of Marxism, Cogito? "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:37 PM:

" You, tjeff, you prove my point. Behold, exhibit A below. He thinks janitors know more than research scientists. YOu've never met a scientist, tjeff, let alone a research scientist, but somehow you think the broom pushers know more about climatology (no doubt gleaned from that famous hard scientist Rush Limbaugh's lessons). "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:34 PM:

" It "scares the hell out of me that so many citizens are manipulated" into believing in Obamas Marxist agenda. We are throwing our centuries old economic success into a grave in the matter if a few months time. We have politicians putting 300 pages of unread text into bills in the wee hours of the morning, then blindly passed into law the next day. And for what? Does anyone really think that the implementation of Obamas idealism will make us better off as a nation? You should be very afraid, but your ignoring the real bad guys in this scenario. The bad guys are the Democrats. The left are stealing away our way of life. "

t jefferson wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:04 PM:

" Sorry L I meant to address Voter in the last paragraph. You you all sound alike to me.... "

t jefferson wrote on Jul 22, 2009 1:02 PM:

" Science is not run by consensus. Unfortunatly Liberals need an enemy that can't be beaten or even proven to the the enenmy in order to grab more power. Step in Crackpots like Al Gore and Hansen at NASA, cook some data exclude other data and whalla man made global warming. Explain the little ice age and the warm spell during the middle ages. Explaning why global temps peaked in 98? Explain why increases in CO2 are a lagging indicator. Can't huh...
L as far as your comment, give me break with that tired old rant about conservatives against science. Hard scientist and engineers are not like the liberal professors in University or even the janitors, you should know about that. Science is about facts not consensus, but don't let that stop you from taking over the world for you little Utopian experiment... "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:55 PM:

" Voter, do you really think that cap and trade will do anything effective in combating global warming? "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:33 PM:

" For decades, a key element of the Right's strategy has been to cultivate an almost universal distrust of education, intellectuals, and scientists. In this way, they control the message completely--even when presented with stark facts, you choose the party "story" over reality. It's been a brilliantly effective plan, I'll give them that, but it scares the hell out of me that so many citizens are so easily manipulated. Same strategy works in the fundamentalist churches, probably why the two go hand in hand. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:15 PM:

" Nope, Cogito, not saying a scientific consensus has never been wrong. But, I do think that following current research which has been reviewed, modified, and discussed for decades is a better bet than the whims of politicians and greedy industrialists.

Those of you who distrust intellectuals and scientists: What do you do when you get sick? Ignore the research and buy snake oil because you like the salesman? "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:10 PM:

" wtf, since you like links, here's one for you:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine

You have been duped. "

Leonard wrote on Jul 22, 2009 11:37 AM:

" anthropis wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:33 AM:
" Scientist who do not agree with the global warming hype are personally attacked and ridiculed and there are many.


Chuckle...

Why do I get the feeling that we are about to hear about the infamous Dr. Seitz?

It certainly is true that millions of dollars have been spent to obscure the scientific record on this subject (see Dr Seitz and his legion of proctologists) the fact of the consensus amongst scientists in relevant fields remains. "

sam wrote on Jul 22, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Thanks Acampo_Mom "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:46 AM:

" Wtf, what this is is an hysterical contagion planted in the minds of the general public, which was then acted upon in what was nothing more than a veiled tax increase. Forgive me if I question the scientific literacy of Pelosi, Reed, and Obama. "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:34 AM:

" voter wrote: "Can you find a major association of research scientists who dispute it?"

Actually, I can, 31,478 scientists (and probably counting) to be exact. LOL!

A state-by-state listing of the signers...are available at www.petitionproject.org.

Signers of this petition include 3,803 with specific training in atmospheric, earth, and environmental sciences. All 31,478 of the signers have the necessary training in physics, chemistry, and mathematics to understand and evaluate the scientific data relevant to the human-caused global warming hypothesis and to the effects of human activities upon environmental quality.

It is time that we look beyond those few who seek increased taxation and increased regulation and control of the American people. Our energy policies must be based upon scientific truth – not fictional movies or self-interested international agendas.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul537.html "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:21 AM:

" Looks like Oakland is heading in the right direction.

"Against the backdrop of budget deficits across the Golden State, the Californian city of Oakland votes yes to a proposal to tax the sale of medical marijuana...

"Cannabis is California's biggest cash crop. It is valued at $14 BILLION annually....

"'Given that the medical cannabis dispensaries are something that was legalized in California, why not have revenue from it?' said councilwoman Rebecca Kaplan."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=101316&sectionid=3510203 "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:02 AM:

" Also Voter, are you saying that "scientific consensus" has never been wrong about anything? Historically it could fill volumes. "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:59 AM:

" Voter, thats my point, we cannot control what the rest of the world does to the atmosphere. I would propose to you that American industries are cleaner producers than emerging economies like China and India. So hamstringing our industries with escalating costs will only transfer the production of goods to higher polluting governments. Cap and trade will likely make things worse for the planet. "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:43 AM:

" Also, by using hemp, the rate of consumption, thus the rate of garbage and pollution, would be reduced due to the longevity of paper, clothing, etc. because it wouldn't need to be thrown away as soon and would be more friendly to the environment when it was disposed of. "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:37 AM:

" Only thing is, they forgot to mention the cutting down of the Amazon Rain Forest - the earth's lungs - clear cutting of natural growth forest, etc. so they kind of forgot the “other half” of their equation.

My friend who was watching with me said, “Why don’t they plant more trees?”

Guess that wouldn’t be as lucrative as Cap ‘n Tax….you know, the gov couldn’t get its hands as deeply into our pockets.

Another thing, why not legalize hemp? Hemp produces beaucoup oxygen and grows in about three months only to be grown again as a continual source of oxygen. Not only that, but hemp makes durable paper, clothes, can be eaten, used as fuel for vehicles, building materials for houses, and on and on. "

wtf wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:37 AM:

" anthropis wrote: "This is more a political issue than it is science."

EXACTLY!!! LOL!

Don't know if anyone caught the NOVA Science program last night; but they had the gratuitous "global warming" propaganda in one segment where this guy was inventing artificial trees to suck in CO2 and produce oxygen as a "green" way to combat global warming.

They showed how humans exhale CO2 and how trees exhale oxygen in the symbiotic relationship we have with the plant kingdom.

Anyway, they went on to say how there are soooo many humans and how our numbers and activities are producing so much CO2 that the trees can't keep up. "

anthropis wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:33 AM:

" Scientist who do not agree with the global warming hype are personally attacked and ridiculed and there are many.
In the world of politics there is a whole lot of spin concerning this subject. Follow the money! "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Anthropis, there is absolute scientific consensus. Every major scientific organization around the world has drawn the same conclusion. Can you find a major association of research scientists who dispute it? "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:47 AM:

" LOL Sam...the greater and less than symbols "

anthropis wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Cogito is on point. Our economy is in a down correction, to increase the cost of energy at this point is insane. "

anthropis wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 AM:

" There is no scientific consensus that man is causing the 1 degree increase in the past 100 years. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 AM:

" What would you propose instead to ameliorate the escalating degradation of the environment? "

Cogito wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Another point Mr. Myers forgot to include is that "cap and trade" will only influence the CO2 produced by the United States. The rest of the world, including the emerging top CO2 producers China and India, are completely unaffected by the laws passed by our Congress and ill informed President. These laws will only effect the ability of US companies to compete in world markets. The jobs our industries lose, will be gained in these other countries who don't have cap and trade. The earth nets a big fat zero, and we lose jobs. Talk about arrogance and ignorance combined. "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:28 AM:

" Can you elaborate, anthropis? "

anthropis wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:26 AM:

" This is more a political issue than it is science. "

sam wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:25 AM:

" [b] seriously?[/b] "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:52 AM:

" nope that didn't work...

Ok well anyway to turn the bold on you used brackets on either side of the letter "b", yes? So to turn it off you need to use a switch or it will just continue bolding everything after the first command. So after your intended bolded comment use "/b" in the brackets.
:) "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:47 AM:

" Ivan...Lets see if I can explain it without my markup being eaten up by the browser...

bold "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:20 AM:

" "affect" "

voter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:19 AM:

" tjeff, your post follows no logic. First, you say that humans can not possibly effect the planet, then you contradict yourself by saying "if it gets too bad . . ."

For the anti-science folks: Is it your belief that humans do not pollute the environment, or do you believe that humans do pollute, but that this pollution has no consequences for life on Earth? "

t jefferson wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:07 AM:

" Ivan,

Nice red herring. The effects of Sodium are well documented....not so much with CO2 and global warming.

As far as eliminating sodium. Go ahead eliminate all the man made sodium in your diet and guess what you will survive becasue nature produces what you need.

The point of the article in case you missed it, is that it is the height of arrogance to assume that what little change man can induce will effect the planet. I know you libs like to believe that you are the center of the world and all that but come on what about mother gaia and we humans only being parasites? If things get bad enough won't she just kill us all off. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:20 AM:

" Gad darn it! Can someone please explain to me how this bolding works? "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:19 AM:

" Sodium makes up (by weight) only .001% of the food intake of an average American. If, however, you completely eliminate sodium from your diet, you will die.

Is the human body really so fragile?

I suggest that all of those who agree with Mr Myers conduct the following experiment: Eliminate sodium completely from your diet and report back to us in one years time on whether small changes to natural systems can have big consequences.
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