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Obama is bringing change, socialism
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 6:34 AM PDT
President Obama releases our methods of interrogation to our enemies.
He bows to the Saudi King. No president in our history has done this. He accepts a book condemning the U.S. He listens to a thug, for over one hour, put down the U.S. He wants to close Gitmo and bring these animals to America.
Heck, there are a lot of rooms at the White House — why doesn't he let them live there with the rest of his family? (Gitmo, by the way, was a brilliant strategy for housing terrorists.) He snubs the Queen of England, our staunchest friend. He voted to not give a baby that survives a botched abortion medical attention! He has hung out with radicals his entire life, and the Americans who drank the Kool-Aid wanted change. You are getting your change all right, from a free country to a socialist and maybe even communist country, if the Democrats get 60 senate votes.
I would never have had the radical ties this fake has had. Would you sit in a church where the pastor says not "God bless America," but "God d--n America." I have been a Catholic for 56 years, and I never heard a priest put down America, or any other faith or country for that matter. They do speak out against gay marriage and abortion, etc. but nothing like the fake Rev. Wright. I have never seen such a corrupt group: Rahm Emanuel, Eric Holder, Tim Geithner (official tax cheat), Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, etc.
The rape and destruction of our country is sickening. No one is doing anything about it. Be aware of the enemy that comes from within!
Dennis Vetica
Lodi
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Lodian wrote on Jul 11, 2009 2:53 AM:
CaPatriot wrote on Jul 10, 2009 7:15 AM:
I'd like to welcome you to www.lodicitizensinaction.com
Sounds like you are on the same page! "
voter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 8:10 PM:
stantaves wrote on Jul 9, 2009 1:51 PM:
voter wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:10 PM:
voter wrote on Jul 8, 2009 4:04 PM:
voter wrote on Jul 8, 2009 3:51 PM:
" there are plenty of religious orginizations ready to help, if those on the recieving end are willing to participate in the program"
Really? Plenty of religious organizations in every town ready to help with programs for autistic children, disabled veterans (the whole range of therapies and treatments), blind and deaf citizens, the mentally ill (both in-patient treatment and out-patient support and monitoring), etc. etc. Really? Plenty? Let's hear who will take this over in Lodi. Type me the list. What churches will manage what need in this town? Who has the expertise to manage all the mental patients tomorrow? "
TLPresler wrote on Jul 8, 2009 3:28 PM:
Again, in any successful capitalist state, there's a need to have some elements of socialism in place, because not everything will be profitable for a private company to take over and run. When a private company is willing to take over the public streets and maintain them... that will be an example of a pure capitalist venture. However, since there's not really much profit to be made in building, paving and maintaining public streets... most of the time, a system where tax monies are collected and distributed by a governing body to benefit the people as a whole... ie "socialism" (not capitalism) is the best way to do it.
"Socialism" IS a fear-word. We are indoctrinated that it's a thing to be scared of... and that Government can't run anything correctly. And we'll say this as we send and receive letters through the U.S. Postal System, which is... of course... Government run. "
TLPresler wrote on Jul 8, 2009 3:19 PM:
Your argument is that... if a Government is not a "Socialist" Government, anything it does cannot be an example of Socialism? That's what I'm reading.
Again, I don't see in the definition that simply because a Government isn't completely socialism that there cannot be things it does that aren't examples of Socialist Economic Theory.
For example, many suggest that there's a want to "Socialize" Medicine. That doesn't mean that Wal-Mart too will become a Socialist System, for sure.
You're also suggesting that there can not be a MIX of different economic theories in place within one system or one state (government.) My friend, The United States has been a MIX for quite some time. "
stantaves wrote on Jul 8, 2009 2:35 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jul 8, 2009 12:36 PM:
stantaves wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:48 AM:
stantaves wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:46 AM:
mike wrote on Jul 8, 2009 1:27 AM:
your argument for socialism and it's definition are flawed at least.
here is my copy and paste of the same word;
* Main Entry: so·cial·ism
* Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
* Function: noun
* Date: 1837
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
The hwy system is not owned by a socialist government so it is not socialism. "
TLPresler wrote on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 AM:
Socialism:
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
That's it. No reference to a system without courts, or dictatorship or despotism. No reference to rationing or redistributing wealth. I didn't make this up, kids, I just copy/pasted it from an online dictionary.
Let's see... I'm sticking to the U.S. Interstate System as my model here... The Interstate System is collectively owned by the taxpayers and a Centralized Government. Check. It's the Government that plans the Economy of the U.S. Interstate (spending, expansion, improvements, etc). Check.
Hmmm
Again, based only on logic, definition and just the facts... and not 'feelings...' How is the U.S. Interstate System NOT an example of the Definition of Socialism again??? I've provided the definition, boys and girls, please... stay within the provided definition. "
TLPresler wrote on Jul 8, 2009 12:04 AM:
Again, simply trying to keep the discussion logical. But let me espouse a different question, an even more "to the core" question. In a capitalistic society... why have public works at all? Why should the government be at all responsible for providing roads, parks or a public water supply? A hardcore libertarian would argue that these things should all be privatized, and would run much better if they were privatized. So why should any capitalistic nation, such as ours, even have anything owned by "the people," which, if you ever read a dictionary... is... sorry... socialism. Sorry. But, in the most direct definition, even though you don't like it... it is. "
mike wrote on Jul 7, 2009 9:11 PM:
Social programs serve a purpose undoubtedly. Welfare states do not.
When I get a speeding ticket on hwy 99, I have a chance to defend myself in court and there is a set fine for the ticket. When I get a speeding ticket in a socialized country the police officer checks what my income is and decides my guilt and the amount of the fine. I prefer driving on America’s non socialized roads.
Socialized medicine has its’ pitfalls also. Some cancers with a high mortality rate are not treated. Given my choice I would prefer getting sick in America than most other countries for many reasons. "
TLPresler wrote on Jul 7, 2009 2:29 PM:
TLPresler wrote on Jul 7, 2009 2:15 PM:
So what you're saying is that "Public Works" is NOT Socialism because... in Socialism the Government sets the rules and redistributes resources to serve the people as a whole. So... again... how is the U.S. Interstate System not an example of Socialism? Last time I checked, the U.S. Interstates are chalk full of rules that the Government decides. Also, the Government pretty much decides why/when/where to build/improve the U.S. Interstate System. If you're interested in intelligent debate, I'm in. I'm taking the stand... "I resolve that the U.S. Interstate Highway System is an example of Socialism." Please, give me specific examples of why it is not. I'm simply telling you the truth, in "Non-Political Buzz Word, Political Fear Tactic" discussion. "
mike wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:32 PM:
And- Mr. Presler- htere is no way I will choose to subscribe to your school of thought on what socialism is, no matter how educated you think you are. "
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Jul 7, 2009 12:19 PM:
In no way has socialism ever been defined as "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which, of course is what the Founders desired for this nation. To water down the destructive nature of the take-over of the concept of government "of, by and for the people" is precisely at the heart of those who want nothing more than to destroy the United States of America. "
TLPresler wrote on Jul 7, 2009 11:55 AM:
Still, can't argue with facts. Well, I guess you can... but then, you simply look a fool... to the educated, at least. "
mike wrote on Jul 7, 2009 10:23 AM:
Lodian wrote on Jul 6, 2009 11:20 PM:
TLPresler wrote on Jul 6, 2009 9:05 PM:
Giovanina wrote on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 PM:
" If the libs get their way, and we go with rationed health care, you'll see a drop in our lifespan. The government is going to solve the social security drain by letting old people die sooner. You seniors had better stay healthy. "
I guess that means Leonard is going to get it twice, because I believe he owns his own business, and he is a senior citizen. Right Leonard?
Leonard, please give us as much of your knowledge as you can before ObamaCare gets you.... "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:28 PM:
And the political positions to boot."
I wonder if Brian has ever noticed the similarity between himself and dyan. And Tosh Conn. And One More Thing... "
Cogito wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:02 PM:
peppier2 wrote on Jul 1, 2009 5:35 PM:
Brian wrote on Jul 1, 2009 4:44 PM:
And the political positions to boot. "
dogs4you wrote on Jul 1, 2009 2:18 PM:
For the punk in congress that said the "War" was unwinable, eat your shorts, along with allot of crow and through in a shoe. "
peppier2 wrote on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 AM:
Brian wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:48 AM:
But then it wouldn't be as affective in driving home the point. "
anthropis wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 AM:
1143 wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:46 AM:
Can hardly wait 'til 2010 to see if we can have "CHANGE" we really can believe in. What say You? "
Brian wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:09 AM:
No, they just bugger our children, much like you have been Limbuggered by the far right media elite.
-I doubt Leonard would disagree with Rush's sentiments about how many children were buggered by Michael Jackson. Even Leonard would have to concede that he agrees with Limbugger every once in a while. "
Brian wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 AM:
from a botched abortion even when medical treatment could save the life. "
Brian wrote on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 AM:
He snubs the Queen of England, our staunchest friend. He voted to not give a baby that survives a botched abortion medical attention! He has hung out with radicals his entire life.
Leonard wrote:
What a load on hate driven nonsense.
-These three points that Dennis makes;
makes it quite clear that it isn't or wouldn't be unusual for someone to have some hatred for Obama. But Leonard insists on dismissing these points as nonsense. "
t jefferson wrote on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 AM:
"Load of hate driven nonsense driven by Limbuggered."
Guess discussion time with Ivan at the Pope household is barrels of fun. Groupthink must be great. Parroting media matters and Moveon.org doesn't make you an independent thinker.... "
Gator wrote on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 AM:
Leonard wrote on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 AM:
No, they just bugger our children, much like you have been Limbuggered by the far right media elite.
Someone certainly has been drinking Kool Aide around here. What a load on hate driven nonsense! "
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