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Watch Fox News for the untold stories — and keep the lanterns of patriotism burning bright
Now is the time of the summer solstice, the longest day of the year.
The six months that have elapsed since the shortest day of the year have flown by, full of turmoil and uncertainty for too many people in too many places — in general.
For each of us there have been some personal havens of quiet and comfort, and maybe even of hope. These are the times that keep us going, like lanterns on a stormy night. We need to seek or create these places and share them with others whose lanterns may have gone out.
Some of us have been lighting communal bonfires here and there on certain remarkable days, like April 15 (tax day) and June 14 (Flag Day), in hopes that more people will take heed and prepare their own lanterns against stormier days to come. We have called these particular bonfires TEA (Taxed Enough Already) parties, but they have dealt with far more issues than that one. What has been disappointing is that more Lodians have not shown up for these events at the Veterans Plaza, and those who have shown up have been mostly those 55 and older.
We need the younger people to get involved. They are the ones who will inherit the problems being developed today by people who declare, "We (or I) won," and turn what should be a stand for responsibility into that old playground chant: "We (I) won, and you didn't! Nyanh, nyanh, nyanh!" and then play a power game that pays no attention to the Constitutional rules under which this country was established.
There are a lot of very good minds in this country who are deeply concerned and who are speaking out. We need to pay attention and learn what's going on. Unfortunately, most media outlets are biased — and silent. If you really want to know what's going on, watch Fox News. Neil Cavuto at 1 p.m. our time, Glenn Beck at 2, and the "Special Report" at 3 are the best. (For most people, they will have to be taped for watching at more convenient times.) Various programs at 4, 5, 6 and 7 p.m. will also tell you what's what. Also useful is Fox News at 3 p.m. Sundays.
This country was begun by some brave, independent and far-seeing individuals who left family members, comfortable homes, friends and livelihoods for a totally unknown land and hardships. They held their ground and set up a new country with a new kind of government that has come down these 200 years or more. Word has it that when Benjamin Franklin emerged from the hot, muggy room where the Constitution was being hammered out, he was asked, "Well, what kind of a government did you give us?" He answered, "We have given you a Republic — if you can keep it." Right now, we are in danger of losing it, and partly because people say we are a democracy. We're not; we are a REPUBLIC, where the minority can have some input as well as the majority.
It was some more brave, independent and far-seeing individuals who left all their established communities and ways of life and took off for the western reaches of this country, facing unknown hardships. Well, they stuck it out, and here we are living in one of a lot of new states. These states fit right in, because the Constitution had already provided them with their own rights that the federal government can't infringe on, something that needs paying attention to.
We can't control all that's coming down the pike, but we can act like our courageous forebears and do what we can as individuals to make a difference for the better. We can do our best to keep our own finances in order. We can help those who are worse off. We can see to it that our children do their best in school, and help them study at home. We can bring up our children to become respectful, responsible people who learn about their country's history, geography and government. We can honor our flag. We can keep copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution around for ready reference — and the Ten Commandments, too.
We can treat other people with courtesy, kindness and compassion. We can keep our homes and yards neat, and take care of the sidewalks and streets in our areas. We can stop littering, vandalizing, stealing, driving drunk and shooting each other. We can patronize our local businesses and restaurants. We can join local clubs and organizations to see that they can continue their good work. We can take care of the earth and all the wonderful trees, plants and flowers it grows, both in our own yards and in public places. We can volunteer to keep up a park or a public area, or grow vegetables and fruits in vacant lots. We can keep vacant homes in our neighborhoods from being eyesores or fire hazards. We can be honest, honorable and dependable, and keep our lanterns lighted.
Gwin Mitchell Paden has been a Sentinel columnist since 1999 after being busy in a lot of community groups and moving through an n umber of careers, most of which involved writing or teaching. She has been in Lodi for 52 years and counting.

Reader Feedback
stantaves wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:56 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 29, 2009 4:25 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:08 PM:
You're welcome, Leonard....though they'll probably just take the money and run. You and I both know that's pretty much what BOTH sides of the aisle do. LOL!
Here's another link; the video is pretty funny.
Going $$$Green$$$ with Cap and Trade!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-htSSHxsE "
Leonard wrote on Jun 29, 2009 1:35 PM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 29, 2009 1:29 PM:
8 Republicans who voted for Cap and Trade
Thanks for the link WTF. Now I know where to send my contributions.
I suppose you were in favor for the magical cost free solution to the problem that also guaranteed every American an never ending supply of Lolly-Pops. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jun 29, 2009 1:19 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 29, 2009 12:52 PM:
8 Republicans who voted for Cap and Trade
The following republicans voted FOR the largest tax bill ever passed by a session of Congress.
Any good work they have done has been for naught. Unless they change their votes by the deadline, Wed, July 2nd, they will forever be a member of the Cap and Tr8tors.
MOTION TO RECONSIDER
A motion to reconsider is a parliamentary practice that gives the House (or Senate) one opportunity to review its action on a motion, amendment, or measure.
Contact their local office as they are not in DC and home on vacation.
Mary Bono Mack R (CA)
Mike Castle R (DW)
Mark Steven Eirk R (IL)
Leonard Lance R (NJ)
Frank LoBiondo R (NJ)
John McHugh R (NY)
Dave Reichert R (WA)
Chris Smith R (NJ) "
wtf wrote on Jun 29, 2009 11:43 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 29, 2009 10:16 AM:
stantaves wrote on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM:
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM:
"The rest of the movie is a mix of interviews and stunts targeting celebrities and conservatives of various stripes.
"At one point, Bruno enrolls in a homosexual reprogramming course with evangelical Christians and spends the whole time hitting on the trainers.
He sits down with a leader of Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, who tells Bruno to leave after Bruno tells him "your King Osama" looks like a "dirty wizard."
"...And in the movie's much-hyped set piece, he stages a cage fight in Arkansas where, to the audience's surprise, he proceeds to make out passionately with another man." "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 7:03 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 6:57 PM:
You must need glasses, though; because I did answer your question sans links at 12:41 p.m.; but it seems you were too quick to post what you think is witty (it's not).
I was wondering when some...person would bring that up. Seeing as Mr. Cohen used deception to get his "piece" it figures; it also figures you'd be the type to watch that drivel. LOL!
But Ron Paul is a gentleman and good sport as always! The link below covers this very topic; so sorry you're link clicking, and cut 'n paste challenged, Bob. ;)
Ron Paul discusses his Bruno appearance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDqu9IyCjM "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jun 28, 2009 4:10 PM:
Can't wait to see what Sasha Baron Cohen does to Ron Paul in the Bruno movie. "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:11 PM:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a-Su2SAnGYU/SkeLTN2EkAI/AAAAAAAAKbI/HCsiQlTewYs/s1600-h/obama%27s+new+clothes.jpg "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:11 PM:
http://fraudonomics.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-signing-statements-liar.html
Make sure to watch the video in the preceding link, then look at this story: Obama issues signing statement on $106B war bill
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-issues-signing-statement-on-106b-war-bill-2009-06-26.html "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:10 PM:
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr2454_sub.pdf
The link below is to a short video on the hidden history of bank meddling in the U.S. government. A must see because it has a lot to do with everything else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:10 PM:
“The hurried legislation adopted by a Congress voting under the threat of sudden global economic collapse led to hidden tax breaks for firms in dozens of industries. They included builders of Nascar auto-racing tracks, restaurant chains such as Burger King Holdings Inc., movie and television producers - and London’s Diageo….the world’s largest liquor distiller.”
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/british-rum-maker-got-27-billion-payo "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 1:09 PM:
Before the Cap and Trade Bill was voted on, John Boenher proved the climate bill was trash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rPpSdCMGAA
With 300+ pages added at the last minute so that the congress critters didn’t get a chance to read the bill. Can you say shades of TARP? The PATRIOT Act? One American is quite distressed over this, mentioning that we still don’t know where all of the TARP money went.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt4R6TQJjg8&feature=channel_page "
wtf wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:41 PM:
In other words, relax certain gov stipulations so that the creators can create. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 27, 2009 4:31 PM:
We don't need a bill saying don't pollute in order to be good stewards of the earth. If corporations were sincere about alternative energies, they would have ALREADY budgeted for it in their R&D; but, NO, we allegedly "need" legislation which translates in my book to the gov's hand in my pocket...again.
I don't think so. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jun 27, 2009 3:32 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jun 27, 2009 3:31 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:25 PM:
And another excellent article here:
http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=61769 "
wtf wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:25 PM:
http://warofillusions.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/obama-maurice-strong-al...
"The “privately-owned” Chicago Climate Exchange is heavily influenced by Obama cohorts Al Gore and Maurice Strong.
For years now Strong and Gore have been cashing in on that lucrative cottage industry known as man-made global warming.
Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, Wikipedia-described as “the world’s first and North America’s only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil.”
(cont) "
wtf wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:24 PM:
One of the last major pieces of legislation passed by a congress which never actually read the document was the US Patriot Act.
And we know just how much of a body blow to the Constitution and Bill of Rights that was.
This is a complete fraud, and will do nothing to actually help the environment.
It will, with what will be essentially a surcharge on energy you use, make certain individuals more filthy rich than they already are.
(cont) "
wtf wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:18 PM:
Think of the recent Wall Street scandals when you think of the "carbon trading exchanges"
Congress rolled over, just barely; sadly enough it was eight Republicans who flipped the vote; but it's not too late to get on the horn to the Senate. "
wtf wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:18 PM:
Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress
"In 2000 and 2001, while Barack Obama served as a board member for a Chicago-based charitable foundation, he helped to fund a pioneering carbon trading exchange that is likely to fill a critical role in the controversial cap-and-trade carbon reduction scheme that President Obama is now trying to push rapidly through Congress."
Rest of story:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/25/obama-helped-fund-carbon-scheme/ "
stantaves wrote on Jun 27, 2009 7:45 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:01 PM:
"...the House of Representatives is set to pass an energy bill which will be a complete mystery to most of the 435 representatives who will asked to vote on it. Even if your congressman or congresswoman wanted to read it before the vote he or she cannot.the bill was still in the process of being written on Thursday but it will be ready for a final vote sometime Friday."
http://www.examiner.com/x-12465-Washington-County-Independent-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Congress-set-to-vote-on-mystery-bill "
wtf wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:00 PM:
$700 - $1400 more per year per family in increased energy costs....yeah, this is something us folk in Lodi really need...NOT!
Obama Admits Cap & Trade Will Cause Electricity Rates to Skyrocket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xOxwW4Toio "
jramagic wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:55 AM:
Lodian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 2:41 PM:
anthropis: I see that you have been reading Brian's blog comments. All he does is invent responses and then address said phantom responses. Weird. It's what he does when he can't debate the issues. He invents in an attempt to save face. He often falls on his face! LOL! "
wtf wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:59 PM:
wtf wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:57 PM:
Glad he makes sense to you, anthropis. I also have to agree with your statement, "...people who apparently perceive words and meanings not contained in a blog and then commenting on such phantom words."
Kind of reminds me of Brian's post to me when he said, "wtf, Do I have to remind you that the last word in the title of the left wind radical group "The Nation of Islam" means SURRENDER?"
Brian, in this post was perceiving something I never wrote on this blog and commenting on it....so, yeah, he was talking out his *ss. LOL! "
stantaves wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:31 PM:
Giovanina wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 PM:
The Tea parties were only organized by idea, location and time, and not really by membership. That's why all kinds of people, that live in America. showed up.
Leonard lives in Texas, and there are probably secessionists that Leonard deals with everyday. Guilt by association, right? Leonard, you secessionist.
Leonard also has mobaphobia, don't know the real name but you get the point, or fear mob rule. More than one person is a mob for Leonard. LOL Unfortunately, he thinks that a left wing mob is better than a right wing mob. He will say he doesn't like either, but it has already been pointed out by another, that his statements prove that this happens. "
Giovanina wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:12 PM:
" I think Brian makes sense, what doesn't make sense to me is people who apparently perceive words and meanings not contained in a blog and then commenting on such phantom words. "
LOL, yes, we have quite a few hippies in here. Hippies as in Hypocrites.
You have to call them on it quite a few times, then they start to fade away in the comment section.
Happens to me quite a bit. I post, then the hypocrite does an internet search on my name, and makes his hypocritical statements. I enlighten the hypocrite on their own hypocrisy, then they fade away til the next article. It has become SOP. lol "
anthropis wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 AM:
wtf wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:14 AM:
As usual, Brian, you're not making a lick of sense and talking out your posterior orifice. "
voter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM:
Also, why do you need to drag sexuality, particularly homosexuality, into every discussion? It's on your mind a lot. "
voter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 AM:
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:23 AM:
Alot of the women's rights movement was just a front for the gay rights movement.
To this day, the women's rights movement could care less about the rights of women in the Middle East.
That being said, I'm not a lefty.
I'm anxiously awaiting how you distort my response. :) "
voter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 AM:
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:11 AM:
" With all this dissatisfaction in Obama and the Dem's, it's good to see that the RepubliCons are getting back to Family values. You got the Republican Luv Guv completely off the grid in another Country casting shadows on a spicy little side dish while his State, Family and Staffers wonder WTF is he? Then You have John Ensign (R-Nev) an outspoken family values Christian dipping his pen in Company ink while having a sordid financial relationship with the girls family. Scandal-fatigue is alive and well in this Grand Ol Party that's trying to polish the same old turd. "
-Well, we all have our crosses to bare.
I'm not too sure I can say the left doesn't have as many double standards as the right. "
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 AM:
I can't think of another religon where people, especially women, have to surrender so many of their rights as Islam. "
sam wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 AM:
peace; surrender of one’s will i.e. losing oneself for the sake of God and surrendering one’s own pleasure for the pleasure of God. "
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:03 AM:
Do I have to remind you that the last word in the title of the left wind radical group
"The Nation of Islam" means SURRENDER? "
wtf wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:58 AM:
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:53 AM:
The agenda of any group is at least partly generated by its membership. Here in Texas, the membership of the Teabaggers seems to be heavily seeded with white supremacists, militia members and other right wing whack jobs.
-I am hard pressed to find any radical left wing groups that are as intent
on preserving our freedoms and defending the constitution. They're still on the Obama Train of Change. I'm reminded all too often that they were glad too see Czar Bush gone so they could roll out the red carpet for Dictator Obama. Oh, but they insist that the bumps in the road will soon smooth out. Yeah, when has a dictator
been good for the people? "
Brian wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:37 AM:
" Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 PM:
" So Leonard, your saying that tax protesters are all racists?
No, I am saying that the movement has been co-opted by the radical right. I thought that was evident from my post. "
-Yes, It is evident from many of your posts, from the most recent to the distant past, you are more likely to offer criticsm of the right. When the occasion comes up, we'd be hard pressed to find you criticisng any group co-opted by the ACLU, the Anti-defamation League, NAMBLA, ACORN. Ch the list is numerous. Can you at least acknowledge
that the radical left has far more groups that are just outright Un-American and Anti-American than the radical right? I know I may be asking too much. "
Nextel wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:25 PM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:05 PM:
" So Leonard, your saying that tax protesters are all racists?
No, I am saying that the movement has been co-opted by the radical right. I thought that was evident from my post. "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:06 PM:
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:27 PM:
I am closing shop and hitting the swimming pool. "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:25 PM:
I hate what we did with Car Bailout. I hate what Bush did with AIG. The fact we could "not let them fail"is a line anyone could use about Walmart...
I hate that for the last 8 years we had a budget that did NOT include the wars... nor did it include National disasters.. like Katrina.
I know things are turning around. My investments are recovering rapidly. My business was not hurt by this downfall yet in the past few months it has been growing rapidly... no complaints.
... and having a Masters in math, I actually DO understand the word trillion.
I am not "keeping my fingers crossed"... but I do pray for our President and for our country. WE ARE TOO GREAT TO FAIL. "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:23 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:20 PM:
voter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:19 PM:
voter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:12 PM:
voter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:10 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:05 PM:
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:55 PM:
I am supporting him. He is my President.
take care ! "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:53 PM:
I saw that. They were implying that he spoke out ONLY because McCain said too. He has been speaking out since last Thursday. His words got stronger after the young girl was shot.
I did not think it was arrogant at all. He has a different style than President Bush (the cowboy, tough guy.. which I liked... until Iraq).
Watch the entire press conference... or not. "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:48 PM:
You have made it clear that you cannot stand our president. I understand that. I had the same feeling towards Clinton.
Peace Out "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:47 PM:
voter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:40 PM:
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:40 PM:
President Obama was asked why he wasn't taking more of a stand against Iran, like McCain has. He said that McCain is not the president. That Obama was . He said that once this is over has to deal with the Iranian leaders. He then said his duty is to keep our country safe.
Afterwards I watched FOX (I try to watch or listen to a variety while I work). Their SPIN was that he was arrogant and said... "he( McCain) is not the president. I am."
They failed to play the entire sound bite. He actually said it twice, but his complete message was the same. "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:26 PM:
Well one of my favorite presidents was President Reagan... oh yeah.. he was not an actor either ?
I think all good leaders have to be an actor to an extent, or a least great poker player. "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:23 PM:
I have not cancelled my trip to Hawaii yet. "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:18 PM:
Seriously, you are an intelligent person... do some research. I know you love to clown around and if that is the case, go for it. "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:09 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:05 PM:
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:41 PM:
"A man, small in stature, who attempts to overcome the way he believes other people perceive him (as a diminuative character) by 1) attaching himself to authority figures, 2) trying to manipulate himself into positions of control, 3) migrating toward positions of leadership, and 4) having a fairly volatile temper." "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:40 PM:
I think the more the press puts Kim Il-sung in the news, the more that little man thinks he is bullying us.
I do not believe for one moment that President Obama is ignoring the situation. "
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:31 PM:
sam wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:13 PM:
The reporter from the Huffington Post has been in reading and reporting the twitter blogs non-stop. He was asked ahead of time if he would like to pose a question from an Iranian. THAT WAS THE QUESTION President Obama was referring to. It was NOT the reporters. As it was, he did not give a complete answer because the Iranian asked how can WE, the US, help them.
I appreciate our president staying out of Iran's election.
Watch a press conference before you attack it. "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:50 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:33 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:13 PM:
I ask questions of you, Cog, in an on-going effort to reveal the depths of your willingness to lie (there is so far no limit in sight). "
Leonard wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:11 PM:
If the Klan shows up at a bowling alley, are we henceforth to assume that bowling is a sport whose participants are racists?
No, but if White Supremacists help organize the league, participate in writing the rules and give speeches at the meetings, I'm going to guess that they have something to do with it.
Don't pour tea on my head and tell me its raining. "
Leonard wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:09 PM:
" Billy, the reporter from Huffington was invited there by the White House, escorted into the press room by staff, and was GIVEN a question to ask.
Cog, Scott Mcllelan admitted that this was standard operating procedure in the Bush Whitehouse and, while I would not be entirely surprised to know that it happens in other Administrations, I am curious.
In this specific instance, how do you know? "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM:
stantaves wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:18 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 AM:
Is that a gift question, Cog?
OK, you mean like when Bush went to Jeff Gannon, the right-wing male prostitute posing as a reporter, who could be counted on to ask puffball questions?
You still didn't answer my question - what did the reporter ask? Is it the question that pisses you off or that Huffington post was there? Did your favorite, FOX, get turned away? Who was blocked because Huffington got to ask a question? "
stantaves wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:51 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:42 AM:
anthropis wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:28 AM:
jrs for it is my belief that Fox News reports news in the tradition of journalistic guidelines. "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:20 AM:
jrs wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:14 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:27 AM:
wtf wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:18 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:17 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:10 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Jun 24, 2009 6:57 AM:
Who asked the FIRST question of Obama? Was no one allowed to ask a third? What was the question asked by the the person you despise from Huffington? And, most importantly, what was Obama's answer? Was it the question or the answer that so outrages you? "
Cogito wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:11 AM:
anthropis wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:37 PM:
dogbark wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:00 PM:
the founding patriots of our country had already fought for two years without a flag, because they knew what they were fighting for.
Second, that I learned the flag pledge before it, and our national motto, were hijacked by the red-baiters. "
Nextel wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:58 PM:
" Leonard, you started off this string insinuating that since some far right groups show up at the tea parties, that the tea party organizers therefore endorse the Klan and others.
The agenda of any group is at least partly generated by its membership. Here in Texas, the membership of the Teabaggers seems to be heavily seeded with white supremacists, militia members and other right wing whack jobs.
It may well be that things are different in Lodi and that Ms. Paden is representative of the group in your area but, unless the politics of Northern San Joaquin County have changed radically in the last three years, I sincerely doubt it. "
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 5:39 PM:
" Leonard, the thing is, the Klan isn't murdering people as an ongoing process. NAMBLA is surrently seeking to molest children
Cog, your defense of the Ku Klux Klan may be impassioned and eloquent but it will not move me to a similar defense of NAMBLA.
The members of NAMBLA disgust me and, if half of what I believe in is true, they will burn in a fiery Hell for all of eternity for their sins.
That said, while Jesus Christ taught us that to sin in your heart was just the same as sinning in fact, the American legal system requires that a man actually be convicted of a crime before he is stripped of his rights. Nice as it might be to disenfranchise people for merely being members of NAMBLA, how long would it be after that until we started imprisoning other people that the majority of Americans find repulsive, like Bush apologists and Limbuggers? "
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 5:25 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM:
sourwine wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM:
Morris, Miller, Hume, Barnes. How nuts
can you get? Take a rest Ms Paden! "
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:09 PM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:37 PM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:36 PM:
" Don't forget Leonard, they also defended the right for a group of child molesters named NAMBLA to hold their meetings in public libraries.
NAMBLA, Operation Rescue, Sean Hannerty... the list goes on.
Its easy to defend the rights of people you like. It takes real commitment and cajones to defend the rights of people you despise.
Still, if the Constitution was only for the people we like, it wouldn't be worth the hemp based paper its written on. "
anthropis wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 12:40 PM:
" No Leonard, I see those groups as left wing equivalents to the Klan, not the tea party protesters. ELF would be another good example, as would the ACLU
What an absurd statement. To compare the ACLU, an organization which has consistently defended the free speech of BOTH conservative and liberal groups to the KKK, a group that has murdered thousands if not tens of thousands of innocent Americans is simply ridiculous.
You know Cog, when you go over the top like this I sometimes think that you have simply been Limbuggered until you are both senseless and sore. "
anthropis wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:22 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:28 AM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:48 AM:
The question is one of propriety. Flag Day is a celebration of patriotism for all Americans. For one radical far right group to seize control of that day for its own twisted political ends is inappropriate (although completely legal).
No one is denying you the right to snivel, whine and pour forth your hateful bile in public. All we are saying is that you shouldn't be surprised if you are met with revulsion and disgust when you do so. "
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:37 AM:
" And if you want to find out about omission in the news, read one of Bernard Goldbergs books. The msm shelves stories that make either the left, or certain groups, look bad all the time.
If you somehow think that Fox News and Rupert Murdoch aren't just another part of the mainstream corporate media, then you just haven't been paying attention.
Fox News and CNBC are just different sides of the same corporate coin, serving the same purpose for the same masters. "
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:34 AM:
" Leonard, would you have been happier if some "Earth First" members shown up? How about some militant gay groups like "Qu**r Nation"?
I find this statement quite revealing. Are these really the groups that you see as left wing equivalents of the Teabaggers?
Frankly, if I had to think of a leftist corollary to the Klan, it would be something more like the E.L.F. "
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:28 AM:
Cogito wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:24 AM:
Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:47 AM:
Once again I'm reminded of the time during the previous administration where we were admonished about not standing in the way of critical discourse about not only our president, but the government in general. In spite of the vitriol and hateful language directed at our president then, I supported the notion, just as I had before Hillary Clinton made the exclamation and as I do now. "
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 6:44 AM:
I wonder why.... "
yeah you wrote on Jun 23, 2009 6:28 AM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 4:37 AM:
Leonard wrote on Jun 23, 2009 4:34 AM:
Your description of these tea bagger rallies sounds harmless enough but I suspect that most Americans are more than a little sickened by the sentiments being espoused online and in the media by some of the leaders of your movement. "
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