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Could pot plants end up sharing ag land with vineyards, as seen here in a photo of illegal plants discovered in Washington state? One national marijuana advocate says that San Joaquin County would be a prime growing location for the plant if the drug is legalized. (Thomas Hurst, The Seattle Times)

Marijuana could be a financial boom for Lodi and San Joaquin County, supporter of legalization says

By Andrew Adams
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:23 AM PDT

If marijuana is legalized, one proponent of the drug says San Joaquin County could soon see a new type of tourist who doesn't swirl, sniff and sip from a wine glass, but instead rolls, lights and tokes a joint.

The debate on legalizing marijuana has taken on new life with the state mired in a multi-billion dollar deficit, a change in administration in Washington, D.C., and growing social acceptance for marijuana.

A San Francisco lawmaker has introduced legislation to legalize the drug, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has said he's open to hearing proposals on the issue.

For Cliff Schaffer, a Los Angeles-based proponent of legalization, it's not a matter of years until legalization — it's a matter of months.

And he's convinced that San Joaquin County and the rest of the valley should use its excellent soil and sophisticated ag-industry to take advantage of the coming reefer riches. He envisions a region in which sophisticated pot connoisseurs could tour from grower to grower, sampling their wares.

Schaffer puts the value of the state's illicit marijuana crop at around $11.6 billion based on what has been seized by the authorities.

"If all we did was take that and sell it through licensed distributors, that would solve most of the problems of the Central Valley," he said.

But Schaffer goes further in saying that pot aficionados would pay even higher prices for weed of the highest quality, grown in the best conditions. He said that if anyone were to visit one of the dozens of L.A.-area medical marijuana dispensaries, they would find consumers evaluating the product based on appearance, aroma, flavor and potency.

"Instead of 30 varieties of wine, you got 30 varieties of weed," he said. "The behavior of consumers is very similar to that of consumers in a good wine store. There's a lot of sex appeal in it, taste appeal in it."

How much money could you make?

Cliff Schaffer, an expert on drug laws and a proponent of decriminalizing marijuana, said the returns on pot could be astounding.

He breaks it down like this:

  • Assume 20 square feet per plant.
  • That's about 2,000 plants per acre.
  • A plant yields about $4,000 worth of marijuana.
  • At $4,000 per plant that equals $8 million per acre.
  • Cut that in half as the price drops with legalization and that's still $4 million an acre.
  • Schaffer said that with thousands of different varieties of marijuana, he could see clusters of small growers each focused on producing their own style of marijuana.

    "Therefore, I think you'll see something very much like the wine market," he said. "The Central Valley could be an accelerated version of Napa Valley."

    Local reactions to Schaffer's vision are not so enthusiastic.

    "I would not want Lodi to be known as the marijuana capital of San Joaquin County," said Lodi Mayor Larry Hansen, a former police chief. "I like it being the zinfandel capital of the world."

    Hansen said that he has come to realize that the nation is losing the war on drugs as it spends billions on enforcement and incarcerates people for various drug offenses. But he said "the cop in me" knows that legalization will come with further abuse.

    If there's no threat of incarceration or arrest, Hansen said more people will be driving after smoking weed, or experimenting with harder drugs.

    He said he wouldn't be surprised to see a ballot proposition to legalize marijuana, and he also wouldn't lose sleep if someone were to open a pot farm near Lodi.

    "If it was legalized, it's out of my hands," he said. "I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't fret or agonize over it."

    Hansen noted that a few local winegrape growers have opted to pull their vines in favor of olive trees, so he knows they're open to new crops, but he said the stigma that comes with marijuana would be hard to overcome.

    And he added that he just doesn't understand the allure.

    "I never tried it. I've never wanted to try it. I've never understood it, so it's hard for me to grasp the draw to it because I've never experienced it," he said.

    Joe Valente, former San Joaquin County Farm Bureau president and vineyard manager for Kautz Farms, was surprised at the very thought of local farmers growing marijuana.

    "I've never heard a farmer saying they'd be interested in doing it," he said. "I could understand they could grow it and tax the hell out of it, but politically it's still an illegal drug, and how do you get past that hurdle?"

    And Valente added that claims of legalized weed being a cure-all for the state's finances could prove too good to be true once marijuana cultivation is put to the test of the open market.

    "The crops that make money, everyone plants, and then there's an oversupply of it and prices go down so they have to look at something else," he said.

    Prices would drop with legalization, Schaffer said, but he points out that wine is still a profitable business, and he maintains that the market could sustain several different price points — meaning that if a farmer works to produce the very best product, he could still see a healthy profit.

    He estimates the return to farmers to be in the range of tens of billions of dollars.

    Jon Tecklenburg, owner of Tecklenburg Ranch, said he could see the money-making potential of marijuana, and he also knows from stumbling on illegal marijuana crops tucked away in corn fields and on Delta islands that the plant would prosper in the valley.

    But as someone who has had melons and other produce stolen from his ranch, it's the security question that concerns him.

    "Offend me, no; but worrisome, yes. I'd be more concerned with guys trying to steal it," he said.

    Tecklenburg said he now has a six-foot-tall fence topped with barbed wire to protect his produce, and wonders what would be needed to secure a pot farm.

    Schaffer said that any farmer who didn't have the resources to protect his investment would be quickly forced out of business.

    He said there's no end to the nation's demand for marijuana, and there's three sources of supply: organized crime, private business or the government.

    Right now, he said, organized crime is running the show, and the government would do a terrible job.

    "Think of the situation if the government decided to produce all the wine. You wouldn't get much variety, and mediocre quality," he said.

    That leaves the private sector, and Schaffer said he's already getting several calls a week from people who are trying to find resources for more information on how to grow themselves.

    "The typical profile of someone who wants to go into growing is an established businessman with interests in other property who's never considered it before," he said. "These are basically established, mature business people who want to do it as a business. They want to be in on the ground floor."

    Contact City Editor Andrew Adams at andrewa@lodinews.com.

    Reader Feedback

    brinna wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:02 PM:

    " I want to thank the Lodi News-Sentinel, and Andrew Adams in particular for presenting this issue in such a balanced manner. Unlike other journalists and editors, your paper did not once resort to lame puns which only serve to indicate embarrassment at the discussion of this extremely important subject. We need more journalism at the level of this exceptional standard. Kudos. "

    Lodian wrote on Jun 3, 2009 12:02 AM:

    " dyan is under the impression that conservative people do not take drugs and gamble. LOL! I bet she also thinks they don't smoke, drink and are all faithful to their wives too. Geez, dyan, what planet do you live on? "

    dyan wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:43 PM:

    " In my opinion, most liberals think the way they do because of brain damage from street drugs. They are going to do it anyway so the state might as well benefit from it, just like gambling. "

    SJUNE74 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 12:10 AM:

    " Just because it's legal doesn't make it right!!!!!!!Or healthy!!! "

    Janice M. Bonser wrote on Jun 1, 2009 4:39 PM:

    " Thank you wtf. "

    Cogito wrote on Jun 1, 2009 10:34 AM:

    " There's only one serious flaw in your argument drug dealer. Why are so many regulated drugs available on the black market? Why are so many kids addicted to Oxycontin? Wasn't Limbaugh buying Oxycontin on the black market? Isn't Oxycontin a regulated drug? Seems like regulation does little to suppress black market availability. Clandestine growers, and dealers void of conscience, will always make pot available to minors whatever it's legal status. "

    Former Dealer wrote on May 31, 2009 10:06 PM:

    " I come from a family of black marketeers. My father smuggled, my uncles smuggled, I smuggled. The damage I have seen as a result of "hard drugs" (cocaine, heroine, prescribed pills, alcohol) use vastly over shadows the effects of regular marijuana use. What the article fails to mention is even the most serious side effects of heavy, long term use fade or reverse entirely within a very short period of abstinance.

    "Children" should not be exposed to any mind altering subtance including nicotine. That being said, adults should be able to indulge in marijuana recreationally.

    What message do we want to send to youth? We have a rainbow of regulated substances that children are educated to abstain from or "use responsibly" when they reach legal age. On the other hand we have marijuana. Relatvely benign and entirely un-regulated. This drug is by all accounts far more easy to obtain by kids than alcohol or cigarettes. I never carded anyone, ever.

    Which drugs do you want you kids to have access to from dealers like I was?
    Keep those drugs unregulated and on the black market. " "

    Cogito wrote on May 31, 2009 3:29 PM:

    " gwsii, there are people out there who won't smoke pot because it is illegal, or they don't want to deal with drug dealers. There's two. "

    dogs4you wrote on May 31, 2009 3:04 PM:

    " And everyone remember, cancer cures smoking, and thats exactually what you get in smoking cigarette`s or weed, and the reason I quit years ago. "

    dogs4you wrote on May 31, 2009 2:17 PM:

    " gwsii, you missed my point, the main ingredient in pot is twice as powerful as nicotine, do you find yourself able to go without it for a day or two, if not your hooked, just like cigarette`s. If you have a job, are you drug tested? Funny weed means no job. As far as a free country is concerned, with China owing 1/2 of the US, can the rest be far behind. The China man doesn`t like dope, you loose hands and life if caught, a free country no more. No more Cheech and Chong. If you like getting stoned on pot, I could care less. "

    gwsii wrote on May 31, 2009 1:28 PM:

    " To those that say legalizing will create more smokers and more problems ...

    News Flash: People who want to smoke pot ARE smoking pot and we're already paying the "cost" associated with that.

    WHO ARE all these people who will start smoking pot once it's legalized who had no desire for it before? Pot is already a part of our culture and has been for DECADES and like it or not it's here to stay.

    I personally HATE hard alcohol and bars and the stink of cigarettes and all of the ill effects these have on society. But I know that I can no more control the behavior of a drinker than I can control the behavior of a tobacco smoker, so I am mature enough to live in a free society.

    Are you? "

    dogs4you wrote on May 31, 2009 1:22 PM:

    " Keeping up with the drug trade, Herion, especially Black Tar is fast becoming the drug of choise. The Mexican cartels are pushing this drug real hard, seems the billions they make in weed and and other drugs just isn`t enough, more money the better. When a resistance to weed is met, herion and meth are available. Best not to start, for someone to say, "I can quit anytime I want" there only fooling themselves. "

    dogs4you wrote on May 31, 2009 1:07 PM:

    " Great idea RV, just like everything else, tax the hookers, though the pimps won`t like that idea since the price will go up, wonder if they will tax by the inch.

    Concerning pot, if it gets leagalized there might be a section in the local supermarket deadicated to weed. In the early 70`s the Fed`s started to put warning labels on smokes, not that it did any good as people continued to puff away, only when it was determined that smoking caused cancer, all advertising was removed from TV and raido, now people are dying from smoking related cancers. If weed gets legalized, will warning lables be put on however pot is sole warning people of the dangers of smoking. As long as a joint will make their problems go away for an hour or so, who gives a s***. The Fed`s are doing their best to stop people from smoking, but if there`s a buck or two to be made and get Kalifornia out of the billion`s of dollars of a hole their in, be a hypocrite, no body cares anymore. Blackwater will be hired to protect the "grow gardens" "

    SeaBass wrote on May 31, 2009 11:47 AM:

    " Legalization will increase use? Funny, the evidence has shown otherwise. Portugal legalized it and instead of drug use going up, it went down.
    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

    If you actually pay attention to the statistics, the whole "War on Drugs" has actually increased drug use (same with the "War on Terror"). The thing is, when you make such a big deal about something you attract attention to it. Having cartoon characters warn our kids about smoking, drinking and drugs does the exact opposite of what is intended. It's time for people to wake up to the reality of the situation, the US spends tens of billions of dollars fighting drug use and yet has the highest percentage of cannabis and cocaine use out of any country.

    All the resistance to drugs has only made the problem worse, not better. It's time for people to radically rethink how they approach these types of issues. "

    RV wrote on May 31, 2009 11:10 AM:

    " Pot's good, but how about prostitution? The state could reap a ton of tax money-just what it needs to keep from cutting programs like millions to left-wing lawyers so indigents can sue business companies/corporations. And what about the many millions that go to prescriptions for illegal aliens?-can't cut that! "

    wtf wrote on May 31, 2009 10:15 AM:

    " Glad to see you, Janice M. Bonser. You are so right in your post of May 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM. This was **precisely** why pot was outlawed. Back then, the "new" manufacturing businesses utilizing wood pulp paper and cotton clothing couldn't compete in a fair market with hemp products; hemp was too superior by lasting so long, so the gov got together with these newly formed corporations (crony capitalism at its best) and outlawed pot **and** its relatives i.e., hemp. "

    wtf wrote on May 31, 2009 10:11 AM:

    " Cogito wrote to what22: "What, a Navy Seal and a Lawyer, yet a complete ignorance of the concepts of spelling, capitalization, punctuation, ans syntax? Sorry, I don't believe your fiction."

    You're right not to, Cogito. This same bozo showed up on the teaparty blog trying to first, say s/he felt sorry for those in Lodi, then tried to say s/he was a leader of the local Republican party. When called on it, s/he said they lived in Aruba...can't believe that one, either. LOL! Seems like a paid shill to me; but the PR firm must be outsourcing. "

    Cogito wrote on May 31, 2009 9:27 AM:

    " Their idea behind this is probably " if we keep them high all the time, maybe they won't notice we're stealing what they've worked for". "

    lodivice wrote on May 31, 2009 8:44 AM:

    " Isn't Green The Way Of The Future? "

    M2CW wrote on May 31, 2009 7:44 AM:

    " I'm thinking of going into farming...... "

    jbhiker wrote on May 31, 2009 5:55 AM:

    " Cogito - What22 is so typical. I have a huge smile on my face from that one. Good Comeback! How far gone is the Brain to write what he did?!? ROFLMAO! I say we Vote What22 as our Poster Child for the YES vote! "

    Cogito wrote on May 31, 2009 12:53 AM:

    " What, a Navy Seal and a Lawyer, yet a complete ignorance of the concepts of spelling, capitalization, punctuation, ans syntax? Sorry, I don't believe your fiction. "

    onestooge wrote on May 30, 2009 10:23 PM:

    " dragon, i also knew alot of those people in high school who smoked dope and almost all amounted to nothing. many ended up moving on to different drugs. it would not stimulate the economy cuz you'd end up with more lazy unwilling to work dope heads. "

    lodivice wrote on May 30, 2009 9:07 PM:

    " Let's All Eat Some 420 Cake And Think About This....What Was It Again? "

    lodi boy wrote on May 30, 2009 7:05 PM:

    " ANYTHING used in excess or unwisely can do damage. Not just drugs, but SUGAR, FATTY FOODS, ALCOHOL, GAMBLING, STARVATION, PHYSICAL OR VERBAL ABUSE, etc.

    People need to do things in moderation. The problem is - many things get people so happy or intoxicated they don't know when to stop. "

    Janice M. Bonser wrote on May 30, 2009 5:06 PM:

    " Flowering hemp destroys THC in marijuana for a 10 mile radius. Hemp is out lawed right along side of marijuana, both are schedual one. So if we relegalize marijuana we also must relegalize industrial hemp. No need to worry about thieves taking pot. The hemp will destroy marijuana unless the pot is grown indoors under heat lamps, just to protect the pot from the hemp flowers. Hemp is good for a science called, "Chemurgy". With Chemurgy we can make nontoxic biodegradabel plastic and thousands of other nontoxic products. Remember Hempstead, New York? Many American cities were named after hemp because America used to use hemp for almost everything. Hemp was used for the sails of the Columbus ships but also for food, fuel, paint, glue, etc. However, most people are just taught that hemp and pot are the same. And look. They are both out lawed the same. However they look and act very differently. You can even see the difference of a pot or a hemp field from an airaplane. "

    dragonfaire wrote on May 30, 2009 4:52 PM:

    " Those who decry pot are the same folks driving home drunk from the Grape Festival all these years. Almost every high school kid in the 70's smoked it, many still do. Even the jocks. I knew dozens of parents then that smoked it as well. They were good people who knew how to live right and enjoy life once in a while. Start by being honest, and using your head instead of your pretend stuck up "values" to judge others who may enjoy a puff now and then. And it could stimulate the economy in so many ways. "

    what22 wrote on May 30, 2009 3:29 PM:

    " great american trucker your not smart enough for a comment here thanks go kling to your guns p.s. i use to kling to my guns but i was a navy seal when i did not a red neck "

    what22 wrote on May 30, 2009 3:26 PM:

    " you whats funny the snubby republican lodi is made up of lodi high grads with no other education that never had pot in there life and for example me smoked lots and lots of pot i have a ucla law and sfsu master in law and dr in law from usc and i do law in the bay area as you can see pot destroys lives but non smokers are so much better than me in lodi having an open mind gets you no where "

    wtf wrote on May 30, 2009 2:55 PM:

    " More Americans Misusing Illicit Painkillers For The First Time Than Trying Pot, Study Says

    Washington, DC: More Americans report misusing prescription opioids than trying pot, according to a study released last week by the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7885


    Government Report: National Prescription Drug Threat Assessment 2009

    http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs33/33775/index.htm "

    pork chop wrote on May 30, 2009 2:10 PM:

    " I just had a ugly picture of a more fatter america because you can also eat it. There will not only be a butt load of legal marijuana ,but there will most likely be food made with it sold in the stores .just imagine marijuana brownies that give you the munchies that makes you eat more brownies,that gives you the munchies .Now Every body has the munchies . Its a good time to open a restrant or a 7-11.man i love jack in the box tacos ,gonna go get me 10 for myself because i will have the munchies "

    Attitude wrote on May 30, 2009 1:23 PM:

    " Do you actually believe that a farmer can grow pot on his property and not have thieves ripping him off for it? People already still fruit and vegetables growing in open fields or is this going to be a 10 foot fenced in arrangement with guards and dogs running around? "

    jramagic wrote on May 30, 2009 12:58 PM:

    " I can tell you this: I grew up in SF in the late 60s...need I say more? Everybody in my circle of friends smoked a lot of pot...mostly at weekend parties,at concerts, etc. Spin the clock fwd 40 years: Most all of my crowd -including Yours Truly- are now accomplished, credentialed professionals. Many are millionaires. A few did fade to obscurity...typical in any sample of any population. None of us smokes pot today. None of us dabbled, if at all, in "hard" drugs. I'd still smoke it if it wasn't for the nasty smoke reaction I get- my lungs just say NO. MJ is no different than alcohol...both can be dangerous IF ABUSED. So can driving a car, taking Viagra, playing the stock market, over eating, obcessing on porn...get my drift? That's how I feel, anyway. "

    Great American Trucker wrote on May 30, 2009 12:50 PM:

    " LOL...anything for a buck, eh? If Government can't quietly tax us to death, they openly bait us with this BS.

    Dopers don't run the show nor do they vote, so perhaps we can move on to more pressing matters? "

    Cogito wrote on May 30, 2009 12:23 PM:

    " Voter, I have a timeshare in Cabo. A lot of people consider it a nasty little place, I happen to love it. One persons armpit is another persons paradise I guess. "

    voter wrote on May 30, 2009 11:45 AM:

    " I was in Amsterdam in the winter of 2006 and found it to be a beautiful and safe city. I'll be flying through there again about ten days from now and looking forward to it. "

    wtf wrote on May 30, 2009 11:26 AM:

    " In the current economic climate, hemp clothing gives you more for your money since you don't have to replace items as frequently. "

    wtf wrote on May 30, 2009 11:25 AM:

    " This needs more investigation; but it's a doable deed. jramagic and Cogito were discussing the difference between hemp and marijuana; but since they're both members of the same cannabis family, what no one has mentioned is the left over parts from the marijuana plant could be used in the same manner as hemp i.e., for clothing, shoes, rope, etc.

    In this way, the entire plant is made use of for products and almost zero goes to waste. Hemp fiber items last much longer than those made of other fibers and the cost is now comparable to "regular" clothing items. The following are links to hemp clothing items, bed linens, shoes, etc.

    http://store.hempest.com/catalog/

    http://www.dashhemp.com/

    http://www.rawganique.com/index.htm "

    pooreastside wrote on May 30, 2009 10:17 AM:

    " legalize pot, then what? For adults only???? So is booze and cigarettes, but kids still manage to get their hands on them. So how is this to be regulated any better? Just what we need, a bunch of pot heads everywhere, like we don't have that already.
    Tax revenue? You cut the tobacco growers throat for giving people cancer, there went that revenue. Substitute pot and see what you get. "

    Acampo_Mom wrote on May 30, 2009 10:16 AM:

    " Cogito...Sorry about your friend. "

    Acampo_Mom wrote on May 30, 2009 10:15 AM:

    " Cogito...we'll see... "

    Cogito wrote on May 30, 2009 10:07 AM:

    " AcampoMom, I think people will just continue to buy pot from the people who they've always bought it from, the black market people. Nobody wants they're neighbors seeing them buying pot at the store. Besides, if you test dirty, you'll lose your job in most cases. "

    Acampo_Mom wrote on May 30, 2009 9:53 AM:

    " Cogito...nope, I am not under that impression. I'm talking about the farmers/growers who make this a major business for themselves and follow the rules. You know some big company (Phillip Morris, R.J. Reynolds) is going to end up manufacturing some high-end "cigarettes", package them in some fancy way, and sell them for $HUGE$ profit. If they do that the gov. will they have their hands in their pockets allllll the way to the bank. "

    lodisafeway wrote on May 30, 2009 9:51 AM:

    " I don't understand this fascination with European countries and how so many here actually believe that by becoming like them, our standard of living would be enhanced.

    While stationed at Bitburg AB, Germany in the early 80s, I saw first-hand what Holland (specifically Amsterdam) was like. The level of debauchery was sickening and maddening. Too many military members lost their careers as well as their freedom and families as a result of visiting that country.

    It's like Las Vegas, touting itself as a "family" destination. Yeah right! Gambling and illegal prostitution (can't practice that fun activity legally within the city limits), just what every family needs. Simply because a city or nation says they're good doesn't mean that it's true. I'd no more take my children to Vegas than I would to Amsterdam.

    We're ridding ourselves of nearly every ounce of decency for the sake of a good time or the generation of taxes. I only hope that before it's too late, Americans will wake up reset their moral compass. "

    Cogito wrote on May 30, 2009 9:35 AM:

    " I started smoking pot at about 18, then moved on to harder drugs. About 14 years ago I'd had enough and quit. The friend who paralelled my habit didn't quit. I buried him yesterday, he was 53. It amazes me that there are people who would sell the souls of Americans because our politicians and citizenry lack the will to be fiscally responsible. "

    Cogito wrote on May 30, 2009 9:27 AM:

    " Acampomom,are you under the impression that if marijuana is made legal, all the backwoods growers who have been running the black market for years are all of a sudden going to go legit and start collecting taxes? Bwahahahahaha! Voter, I know someone who recently came back from Amsterdam, they said it was a nasty disgusting town similar to Tiajuana. Have you been there? Or are you yet again speaking from your sphincter. Why don't we just legalize prostitution. Lodi already has the facilities and workers in place, all we'd have to do is sign them up with the Board of Equalization. "

    Whoa Nellie! wrote on May 30, 2009 9:26 AM:

    " It will be a cold day in he11 when SJC becomes the pot capital of CA. Stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Just think of the amount of added Government Bureaucrats needed to "manage" this endeavor.

    JRAMAGIC- you really must be off your meds, or just a kook. Earlier this week you are promoting the idea of a local currency (scrip) and now you're leading the march to growing pot instead of grapes. "

    T & C wrote on May 30, 2009 8:48 AM:

    " A NEW kind of Tourist? Hey! I've got the Cheech & Chong DVD! We don't need more drug addicts! People getting HIGH on the way to work, or going home, or driving a big rig, a city bus, construction equipment, The dr. writing your perscription, the person cooking your dinner at a restaraunt! NO THANK YOU!

    We have DRUG Screening for a very important rason: "To keep responsible people off drugs!


    Don't use and sell drugs and Bubba will NOT be your roommate! Those who use drugs WANT POT LEGAL so they can get as high as they can, as often as they can without being harassed! "

    jbhiker wrote on May 30, 2009 8:46 AM:

    " Voter - but Americans are too greedy to implement the Amsterdam standard of living. Its like comparing Apples and Hand Grenades. "

    voter wrote on May 30, 2009 8:41 AM:

    " jbhiker, check out Amsterdam--it's a great city. Pot is legal and on sale in coffee houses. Lower crime rate. Lower teen pregnancy rate. Higher literacy rate. Higher standard of living. No homeless wondering the streets. I don't think pot has had much impact one way or the other. The culture is different there, and people understand the term "moderation." "

    jbhiker wrote on May 30, 2009 8:21 AM:

    " jramagic wrote on May 30, 2009 7:36 AM:
    "Legalizing pot will have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER"
    There is plenty of empirical data to suggest otherwise. If you do a Google of this topic, legalizing it in other countries as well as decriminalizing it in the US has caused some rather odd problems: Per Capita productivity drops, educational excellence declines (we see this in America now), Social problems within families increases (we see this in America as well), high dropout rates in educational institutions (sound familiar), poor fetal growth in expectant mothers (these kids have problems, too), increases in crime, etc.. I think you better do some research to support your argument. Legalize, NO. Decriminalize, YES. Same as Cigarettes and Alcohol. Then let the Advocacy Groups take over. This would put the marijuana drug dealers out of business as Meth people switch to cheaper POT. Oh and decriminalizing it reduced the number of Emergency Room related events for all drugs but Marijuana. Pot smokers saw an increase in their emergency room visits. Probably doing something stupid and got hurt. Overall Crime did not increase - too lazy. "

    Acampo_Mom wrote on May 30, 2009 8:15 AM:

    " effa56...This article isn't talking about legalizing for medicinal purposes. They are talking about legalizing for recreational use.

    If they were to do that, and the gov. put their little tax stamp on it like the do on cigarettes, think of the tax revenue! "

    Cogito wrote on May 30, 2009 8:10 AM:

    " There's a new study that's been published showing that 9 out of 10 people arrested are on drugs. The drug they have in their system, above all others, is marijuana. They were talking about it on the Armstrong and Getty radio show yesterday if your looking for the link. "

    Cogito wrote on May 30, 2009 8:07 AM:

    " Jramagic, what a crock of bovine fecal matter. The hemp they wanted during WW2 was from a hemp plant that doesn't make you high. It still grows wild in the heartland. All you'll get is lung damage from smoking it, not high. I know from first hand experience. "

    jramagic wrote on May 30, 2009 8:06 AM:

    " Is cultivation of HEMP (ie, cannibus, "pot") good for the economy? Well, check this out...it will "blow your mind" (to use a quaint old term that may be appropriate here):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor_Wears_No_Clothes "

    jramagic wrote on May 30, 2009 8:02 AM:

    " HEMP FOR VICTORY! During WW2, the Government heartily encouraged the large-scale cultivation of Cannibus (ie, Hemp, "pot", etc). Check this out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_For_Victory "

    jramagic wrote on May 30, 2009 7:36 AM:

    " Oh, by the way: Legalizing pot will have NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on its current rate of use and consumption. Get over that fantasy. ANYBODY who want to puff it is ALREADY doing so...from the many, many, many illegal sources on practically EVERY corner and schoolyard. So open your eyes to the reality that its here to stay and the State may as well make the profits....not the drug-lords. "

    jramagic wrote on May 30, 2009 7:32 AM:

    " Legalize pot...its a no-brainer (if you will pardon the pun). Seriously, its a good idea. But I would not legalize it until instant road-side tests are available for the Cops to use...and stiff laws and penalties are in place at least equal to DUI laws. Otherwise...well, you know what will happen out on the roads. Unfortunately- I can't smoke the stuff- it gives me respiratory problems...so I'll stick to the Zin & Cab..... "

    Patricia wrote on May 30, 2009 7:12 AM:

    " Yeah, just what we need to join all the drunk drivers out there, all the joint smokers rolling around laid back with their don't give a damn attitude! This is not the solution to our money woes, it will only add to the problem. "

    jbhiker wrote on May 30, 2009 6:41 AM:

    " Whoever wrote this article is dreaming! Giant fields of marijuana? Crowds of Pot Smokers?!? Come on!! The Medical Marijuana Stores already have sources for this. I have been in one and there are over 100 varieties to choose from, telling me there are hundreds of small operations using greenhouses or new homes in Elk Grove & Tracy to grow this stuff. Farmers should stick with Wine grapes. "

    todd432 wrote on May 30, 2009 6:26 AM:

    " Lets see here the two people mentioned against it was an ex-cop gone Mayor who never even tried weed and the next guy is a vineyard (BOOZE) manager who makes a living off of alcohol sales. What a surprise, Free the Weed and forget the booze. This is also why we need to stop electing past members of law enforcement to current political positions so we can avoid a clash of ideals. "

    effa56 wrote on May 30, 2009 6:25 AM:

    " there are county local and federal inspections of these places doing buisness and you must have a id card to purchase the product. this can be a win win for all money from taxed weed gose to loca county and federal govts.
    you just can t walk in and buy with out a medical card. these places have to keep records checked often. "

    Robb wrote on May 30, 2009 5:56 AM:

    " If there is anything to be learned from our history in regards to alcohol, the prohibition only fueled bootleg hooch and crime. "

    jway wrote on May 30, 2009 4:22 AM:

    " Legalize Marijuana! The drug dealers in our schools weren't there before the prohibition started, they're there BECAUSE of the prohibition!

    The easy access our children have to marijuana wasn't there before the prohibition started, it is a result of the prohibition.

    Tell your legislators. The prohibition harms us, our society and our children. Legalize the production and sale of marijuana to adults. "

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