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California high court upholds gay marriage ban
Associated Press Writer
The California Supreme Court upheld a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage Tuesday, but it also decided that the estimated 18,000 gay couples who tied the knot before the law took effect will stay wed.
Demonstrators outside the court yelled "shame on you!" Gay rights activists immediately promised to resume their fight, saying they would go back to voters as early as next year in a bid to repeal the ban.
The 6-1 decision written by Chief Justice Ron George rejected an argument by gay rights activists that the ban revised the California Constitution's equal protection clause to such a dramatic degree that it first needed the Legislature's approval.
The court said the Californians have a right, through the ballot box, to change their constitution.
"In a sense, petitioners' and the attorney general's complaint is that it is just too easy to amend the California Constitution through the initiative process. But it is not a proper function of this court to curtail that process; we are constitutionally bound to uphold it," the ruling said.
The justices said the 136-page majority ruling does not speak to whether they agree with the voter-approved Proposition 8 or "believe it should be a part of the California Constitution."
They said they were "limited to interpreting and applying the principles and rules embodied in the California Constitution, setting aside our own personal beliefs and values."
The announcement of the decision set off an outcry among a sea of demonstrators who had gathered in front of the San Francisco courthouse awaiting the ruling. Holding signs and many waving rainbow flags, they yelled "shame on you." Many people also held hands in a chain around an intersection in an act of protest.
Same-sex marriage is legal in Iowa, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts and Connecticut.
The court said it is well-established legal principle that an amendment is not retroactive unless it is clear that the voters intended it to apply retroactively, and there was no such clear indication in Proposition 8.
That provided some relief for the 18,000 gay couples who married in the brief time same-sex marriage was legal last year but that wasn't enough to dull the anger over the ruling that banned gay marriage.
"It's not about whether we get to stay married. Our fight is far from over," said Jeannie Rizzo, 62, who was one of the lead plaintiffs along with her wife, Polly Cooper. "I have about 20 years left on this earth, and I'm going to continue to fight for equality every day."
Also in the crowd gathered at City Hall, near the courthouse, were Sharon Papo, 30, and Amber Weiss, 32, who were married on the first day gay marriage was legal last year, June 17.
"We're relieved our marriage was not invalidated, but this is a hollow victory because there are so many that are not allowed to marry those they love," Weiss said.
"I feel very uncomfortable being in a special class of citizens," Papo said.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger: Gay marriages to be legal some day
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Tuesday that it's only a matter of time before gay marriage is recognized in California.In a statement, Schwarzenegger did not directly address whether he agrees or disagrees with the California Supreme Court decision upholding last year's Proposition 8. Instead, he said he believes voters or the courts will one day legalize same-sex marriages.
He also applauded the court's decision to allow the 18,000 gay weddings that took place between June and November, the period when such marriages were legal.
"While I believe that one day either the people or courts will recognize gay marriage, as governor of California I will uphold the decision of the California Supreme Court," he said. "Regarding the 18,000 marriages that took place prior to Proposition 8's passage, the court made the right decision in keeping them intact."
Schwarzenegger also encouraged those who are rallying in response to the court's decision to do so peacefully.
The governor did not take questions from reporters during a morning appearance before a group advocating for small-business owners.
— The Associated Press
A small group of Proposition 8 supporters also had gathered outside the court to hear the ruling.
"A lot of people just assume we're religious nuts. We're not. But we are Christians and we believe in the Bible," said George Popko, 22, a student at American River College in Sacramento, where the student government officially endorsed Proposition 8.
The state Supreme Court had ruled last May that it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the right to wed. Many same-sex couples had rushed to get married before the November vote on Proposition 8, fearing it could be passed. When it was, gay rights activists went back to the court arguing that the ban was improperly put to voters and amounted to a revision — which required legislative approval — not an amendment.
That was the issue justices decided Tuesday.
"After comparing this initiative measure to the many other constitutional changes that have been reviewed and evaluated in numerous prior decisions of this court, we conclude Proposition 8 constitutes a constitutional amendment rather than a constitutional revision," the ruling said.
Justice Carlos Moreno wrote the dissenting opinion disagreeing that the proposition did not change the constitution's equal protection clause. He said the law denying same-sex couples the right to wed "strikes at the core of the promise of equality that underlies our California Constitution." He said it represents a "drastic and far-reaching change."
"Promising equal treatment to some is fundamentally different from promising equal treatment for all," said Moreno, who had been mentioned as a possible contender for the U.S. Supreme Court. "Promising treatment that is almost equal is fundamentally different from ensuring truly equal treatment."

Reader Feedback
Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:44 PM:
Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:35 PM:
Gay people aren't asking you to "pay the costs" for them to marry. All you have to do is leave them alone to live their married lives, just like you. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:27 PM:
dyan wrote on Jun 2, 2009 9:27 PM:
holds no water as a "civil rights" issue. You know this as well as I do, but the game continues. "
Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2009 8:09 PM:
Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2009 8:07 PM:
dyan wrote on Jun 2, 2009 7:17 PM:
Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:01 PM:
You said "But why should government endorse an activity that has proven to be a health hazard..."
So, dyan, what "health hazard" is exclusive to gay people? I can't wait to hear the ignorant argument dyan will surely put forth so as to continue to deny gay people the same opportunities as all Americans. "
dyan wrote on Jun 2, 2009 8:52 AM:
Gator wrote on May 29, 2009 6:12 PM:
rights and should go to every citizen of this country, Gay, straight or in-between…. "
stantaves wrote on May 29, 2009 6:08 PM:
sam wrote on May 29, 2009 4:55 PM:
voter wrote on May 29, 2009 4:01 PM:
Joint parental rights of children
Joint adoption
Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
Crime victims recovery benefits
Domestic violence protection orders
Judicial protections and immunity
Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
Public safety officers death benefits
Spousal veterans benefits
Social Security
Medicare
Joint filing of tax returns
Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
Child support
Joint Insurance Plans
Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
Estate and gift tax benefits
Welfare and public assistance
Joint housing for elderly
Credit protection
Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans
Most of these benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for within the legal system. "
Gator wrote on May 29, 2009 3:28 PM:
onestooge wrote on May 28, 2009 11:49 PM:
voter wrote on May 28, 2009 8:56 PM:
tosh conn wrote on May 28, 2009 8:31 PM:
Rhodie wrote on May 28, 2009 12:42 PM:
Rhodie wrote on May 28, 2009 12:34 PM:
Rhodie wrote on May 28, 2009 12:31 PM:
Labeling because of group identification is a great disservice to everyone. You never know who you might miss simply because of the person is associated with a group you (general 'you') don't like.
That said I do have to admit that the groups an individual associates with can say a bit about their personality. I would have a hard time talking with a member of Bikers for Satan or such simply because of the group mentality and would wonder why someone would choose to hang out with them. "
bobbyg wrote on May 28, 2009 11:52 AM:
Please dont think that we are all the same in any group, (not just talking to Rhodie).
We have all grown up dreaming about how and what we want out marriage to look like and what we will wear and what music will play and so on.. We all want the responsibility and respect that comes with the term marriage. We are not looking for anything less. We know we have a long way to go. We understand that this is a social issue that we have to teach people who we are and who we arent. "
Rhodie wrote on May 28, 2009 8:40 AM:
Sorry Lodian, I see you trying to deconstruct the validity of the Bible to replace it with current social political correctiveness. How many times have you made referance to the West Wing/Youtube clip where the fictional president berates a reporter from a christian paper? How many times have you argued the outdatedness of the Bible vs. defended it's teachings on the boards here?
It's just my opinion and it may be wrong but based on what I see you write here about Christian teachings, I have a hard time believing you take the faith seriously. Obviously you would think you do. So let me ask you this, would you stand before friends, family and strangers to defend a Biblical/Christian teaching and risk losing them or would you say they are free to say what they want? "
Rhodie wrote on May 28, 2009 8:34 AM:
It is a mix between Biblical teachings and (honestly) social tradition.
"And does *your* Bible say divorce is a sin?"
It does and, thus, why I work with couples to help them overcome the temptation of divorce.
"Can you tell me why so many people fight so incredibly hard against gay marriage, but do not make an issue of divorce?"
I can not speak for other people but there are measures in the elections concerning gay marriage now. IF a measure was on a ballot I think you would see the same kind of aggressive defense of marriage against divorce.
"Why is gay marriage more important for them to fight against?"
Again, it is the hot topic and the one that is currently being fought publicly. But a lot churches are just as active in fighting divorce, it's just not a public battle.
And I should add that my brother has had a divorce. His first marriage ended due to her viewing marriage as an enhanced form of dating with tax benifits. "
Lodian wrote on May 28, 2009 1:04 AM:
Lodian wrote on May 28, 2009 12:57 AM:
Rhodie wrote on May 27, 2009 11:54 PM:
First, when appropriate I have spoken out about opposing divorce as a socially acceptable solution to minor tiffs between husband and wife. Which leads us into secondly, there have not been articles and resulting blogs about divorce that I have seen on the boards.
And while I have openly said I am against same-sex marriage I have never condemned homosexual people, even admitting that there are most likely homosexual people who live a better life than I. In fact, when I have been more outspoken (mostly against R.F. when he was around but others as well) who use select Bible passages to justify hateful behavior.
I do pose questions and challenges to supporters of the lifestyle because, since I think it is wrong, I want to demonstrate the flaws (I see) in it's social acceptance. Much the same way you and others work to demonstrate the flaws you see in Christianity. Why am I a bigot and those condemning Christianity not? "
Lodian wrote on May 27, 2009 11:23 PM:
I think you know the answer here. It's bigotry. "
Rhodie wrote on May 27, 2009 10:46 PM:
What makes you think I accept divorce? Currently there are no legal battles to be fought on divorce so the only thing I can do is work with organizations that work twords making marriages stronger and helping people deal with the trouble issues that usually lead to divorce. Been doing it for 8-ish years.
I do think that divorce should be made a more uncomfortable action with the exception of for safty reasons (and I include unfaithful spouses as a safty issue due to the large number of STD's that may be passed on). Personally I think a percentage of the couples financial holdings should be given to coffers of the residential district. Divorce in Lodi, pay up, kind of thing. Of course there would be cosiderations made for the couples financial situations, but in general divorce becomes less of an option when it becomes uncomfortable.
I also think any one who is divorced should not be in an elected position since if they can't keep one set of vows how can we trust them. "
Lodian wrote on May 27, 2009 6:33 PM:
Rhodie wrote on May 27, 2009 3:49 PM:
And here we have the pendulum swing of theological thought. I have heard this train of thought many times before, "If God is Love how can he send people to Hell?", "God is love so he forgives everything I do" and "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission".
I suppose, under this train of thought that a loving parent then would not punish a child who has done something wrong?
Society has been striving to turn God into a kind and loving God who would never lift finger out of anger. But The Bible is very clear that while he is "Father", he is also "KING". And a king defends his kingdom. There is an army of God, why would there be such if God had no anger?
Proof of God's anger; what did Jesus tell Judas at the last supper? It would have been better for Judas if he had never been born. Certainly sounds angry. "
lodi boy wrote on May 27, 2009 3:18 PM:
The bible is NOT GOD. And it only carries some truths about the word of God - like love. A true God doesn't bring himself to be mad or vengeful. That wouldn't make him very loving now would it? "
lodi boy wrote on May 27, 2009 3:14 PM:
There are many laws that society breaks every day. It's even a sin/abomination to let guys cut or shave their hair/facial hair. Shellfish is unclean. WORKING ON THE SABBATH IS A BIG SIN - and the bible states those who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death.
Do any Christians follow every single rule? Have you stoned people for working Sundays? Do you cut your hair? Remember - those are mortal sins. "
isit? wrote on May 27, 2009 2:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on May 27, 2009 1:53 AM:
Cogito: Since you think gay marriage should not be legal, per the Bible, then why is divorce allowed to remain legal? After all, divorce is spoken of many times in the Bible and it is not acceptable. Why is it okay for you to pick and choose this way? "
95242 wrote on May 27, 2009 1:21 AM:
" Cogito, currently polygamy is a criminal offense. Do you propose that same-sex marriage be criminalized? "
Yes, it should be a strike in California! Because everyone knows that this could be potentially dangerous! lol "
95242 wrote on May 27, 2009 1:07 AM:
Half Full wrote on May 26, 2009 9:17 PM:
This, unfortunately, is far from over. What a huge waste of money. Imagine all of the good that could be done with the millions of dollars. Instead the lawyers, strategists, ad agencies, and media will make tons of money from the many, many print, radio, and tv ads. "
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 7:27 PM:
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 7:13 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 7:08 PM:
imadog2 wrote on May 26, 2009 7:06 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 7:02 PM:
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 6:58 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 6:52 PM:
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 6:22 PM:
Gator wrote on May 26, 2009 6:20 PM:
And the Latino vote but left off a growing population in this country, the Islamic vote and there is no way that faction will ever vote for Gay anything.. "
deblaw wrote on May 26, 2009 6:12 PM:
dyan wrote on May 26, 2009 5:39 PM:
Just as simple to change the status of polygamy. "
T & C wrote on May 26, 2009 5:31 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 5:12 PM:
dyan wrote on May 26, 2009 4:36 PM:
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 4:36 PM:
dyan wrote on May 26, 2009 4:31 PM:
They allowed the 18K to stand because they had foolishly ruled gay marriage was legal before the constitution was changed. Talk about "legislating from the bench!" That was a perfect example. "
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 4:29 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 4:28 PM:
dyan wrote on May 26, 2009 4:16 PM:
Jaysam1 wrote on May 26, 2009 4:05 PM:
I do feel it's discriminatory and it should be one way or the other. Unfortunately - we don't live in a black and white society - everything has a grey area - and many shades of grey at that. "
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 4:02 PM:
bobbyg wrote on May 26, 2009 3:44 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 3:26 PM:
weezer wrote on May 26, 2009 3:18 PM:
So, why not just allow it?
Everyone's accountable for their own actions anyway. "
sam wrote on May 26, 2009 3:16 PM:
If the ban stands and the people married before the ban are ruled as being legally married, isn't the ban then discriminating against all gays not married before the vote?
Some gays get to marry while others cannot. Don't you think this is discriminatory? Just curious.
I do not care if you are for or against gay marriage. I think this ruling is going to create a mess. IMHO. "
weezer wrote on May 26, 2009 3:15 PM:
If God gave them over already, why bother to include God, the bible and church in the discussion? "
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 3:14 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on May 26, 2009 3:13 PM:
So, it's not equal at all. I think you'd see a lot less of the gay community pushing for same-sex marriage if they were truly the same thing.
By the way, how about we all have civil unions and not call it marriage anymore? Just let religions have ceremonial marriages. Then the government doesn't have to be involved. "
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 3:05 PM:
lodi boy wrote on May 26, 2009 3:02 PM:
(or when you sacrifice and burn animals in the backyard to please God) "
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 3:01 PM:
Jaysam1 wrote on May 26, 2009 3:01 PM:
lodi boy wrote on May 26, 2009 2:57 PM:
The old testament should not apply to this day and age. And if you truly believe in every single word of Leviticus, then you MUST abide to all rules about diet, clothing, work, slavery, etc.
You CANNOT select which verse you choose to use against any group. "
4AStrongLodi wrote on May 26, 2009 2:51 PM:
And, again, polygamy is different. Heterosexuals can not have polygamist marriages, so neither should gays. It's about equal rights for everyone.
Heterosexuals can marry, so gays should also be able to also.
I am so sad for our State. We used to be so progressive and embraced each other's differences. Now, other states have advanced more than us. What's happened here?
We are now a State that dislikes each other's differences so much that we go to Court over it. Why can't we all just let each other live our own lives? It's a sad day that California has become what we so often laugh at the South about. "
Jaysam1 wrote on May 26, 2009 2:50 PM:
I refrain from speaking my opinion about anything serious as this on the LNS blogs - people are too quick to attack and insult like a pack of rabid dogs in order to "force" their opinions on everyone else. Especially if you don't agree with gay marriage. Then you get called a bigot and a racist. Why bother......too many more important things to deal with in the world than this..... "
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 2:50 PM:
weezer wrote on May 26, 2009 2:31 PM:
Whoa Nellie! wrote on May 26, 2009 2:28 PM:
I think that gay couples should have every right married people do, like someone who posted earlier- the alimony, child support, retirement fund, etc.... Gay couples should have the right to pull the plug on a partner as would a husband or wife, get the benefits, etc etc...
With that said, I think that "marriage" is between a man and a woman. I would use the term "Civil Union" for gay couples, and yet they would have every single right as us poor married folk. "
sam wrote on May 26, 2009 2:18 PM:
Sorry. "
sam wrote on May 26, 2009 2:10 PM:
Being married by a judge who is a dear friend is hardly a " justice of the peace shotgun wedding".
I take my marriage vows seriously. Obviously you do not. That is your choice.
Your quote "I say - go for it - get married - and then have to deal with all the BS that comes with it - like divorce, alimony, child support, college funds, retirement funds, homes, cars, savings etc. Why should anyone NOT have to deal with that??? ""
You equate marriage with divorce? Sad for you.
... and by the way, kes was quoting Rhodie, not you. "
Jaysam1 wrote on May 26, 2009 1:59 PM:
Sam - if you had read my post - I stated that marriage was a ceremony instilled by the churches - it had nothing to do with your justice of the peace shotgun wedding or whatever it is you had.
AGAIN - people not reading posts - or maybe it's time we all take Reading Comprehension 101a. It's more apparent that it's needed in our current world and specifically to those on this blog. "
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 1:50 PM:
sam wrote on May 26, 2009 1:49 PM:
weezer wrote on May 26, 2009 1:43 PM:
kes wrote on May 26, 2009 1:40 PM:
Rhodie wrote on May 26, 2009 1:37 PM:
" Rhodie - Quit repeating the Limbaugh mantra. That's the oldest retort yet, and it still makes no sense.
Equal rights means that two adults can marry, just like any other adult, no matter what sex."
First, I don't listen to Rush. And the question does make sense. It proves you don't want equal rights for all, just for your own group. This is shown by your retort that it means only two and you are willing to discriminate against polygamy. How can you justify that? Also, with your two adults means you are also accepting of brother and sister marrying or uncle and niece as long as they are of age.
I don't intend to bring God into this (but your comment does show a different discrimination you have) but rather I will keep this on a societal and intellectual level.
So that brings us back to the original question: Why do you discriminate against a group of people and their right to marry who ever they want while yelling fro your right to marry whoever you want? "
sam wrote on May 26, 2009 1:36 PM:
So your comment that marriage is a religious ceremony isn't really true. I know many people who were married in a civil ceremony. "
dyan wrote on May 26, 2009 1:26 PM:
Jaysam1 wrote on May 26, 2009 1:25 PM:
I say - go for it - get married - and then have to deal with all the BS that comes with it - like divorce, alimony, child support, college funds, retirement funds, homes, cars, savings etc. Why should anyone NOT have to deal with that??? "
LodiReaderFromStockton wrote on May 26, 2009 1:21 PM:
Those of you who applaud this just wait until they want to take a right away from you.
Doesn't the Constitution say all men are created equal? Not all straight men are created equal. "
LodiReaderFromStockton wrote on May 26, 2009 1:16 PM:
Now you have to classes those who got married before the ban and those who can never get married. The courts really effed up on this one. "
sam wrote on May 26, 2009 1:16 PM:
Some get to marry while others cannot? "
dyan wrote on May 26, 2009 1:08 PM:
At least we don't have to live with any more of this perversion. "
4AStrongLodi wrote on May 26, 2009 1:02 PM:
Equal rights means that two adults can marry, just like any other adult, no matter what sex.
BTW, if you take the Libertarian approach (which I don't), why would it matter the relationship between two people that get married. Is it really for the government to get involved in?
But, trying to make your point by using outlandish examples only proves that you don't have a solid argument against it. Of course, I'm sure you'll bring god into it too. "
Rhodie wrote on May 26, 2009 12:41 PM:
4AStrongLodi, just in inquiry for debate purposes only, where do you draw the line for marriage rights? One man many wives or vice versa? Cousins, brother and sister or all the various related couples? Lower age limits?
Also, where in the U.S. constitution does it grant the rights on who you can marry? "
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 12:37 PM:
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 12:34 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on May 26, 2009 12:32 PM:
I guess if the will of the people is to return to enslaving people, you'd support that too?
This ruling continues to discriminate against the rights that everyone deserves, as mandated by the U.S. Constiution. "
deblaw wrote on May 26, 2009 12:28 PM:
lodibound wrote on May 26, 2009 12:18 PM:
Cogito wrote on May 26, 2009 11:39 AM:
shaggy wrote on May 26, 2009 11:21 AM:
Lodian wrote on May 26, 2009 11:13 AM:
lodibound wrote on May 26, 2009 11:09 AM:
Amber and Rachel,Lodi CA "
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