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Working adults turning to the Internet to earn degrees

By Jennifer Bonnett
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Monday, May 18, 2009 6:12 AM PDT

You've seen the advertisements beckoning applicants to earn a college degree online and from the comfort of their living rooms. You can even wear your pajamas to class.

People's interest in online education has increased for a variety of reasons, including the depressed economy, according to sources.

More working adults are going back to school to refine their skills with hopes of earning more money, but they don't have the time to sit in a traditional college classroom. But while online classes may seem easier than a traditional education, most agree that they are really only a good idea for self-motivated students who are good at juggling life.

National University in Sacramento is seeing an increase in enrollment as more people are losing their jobs and returning to school to either earn a degree or finish one not yet completed, according to Mary Emery-Sherman, associate regional dean.

The university also markets to people interested in changing careers or increasing their skills, she said, adding that it works because of the flexibility.

Melissa James, of Lodi, had to split her degree when she found out she was pregnant and didn't have time to complete the student teaching portion.

With a two-year-old, returning to finish her master's worked because she could do her homework "whenever."

"It was easy, too, because I could miss two classes and still get the course done."

Emery-Sherman agreed.

"For the type of student that we attract, they are typically older in their mid-30s and work, so online provides flexibility for adults to go to school, raise their family and continue to go to work," she said.

Hitwise, an online trend research company, has noted that visits to online universities compared to their traditional counterparts have steadily risen over the last four years, but have taken a jump in the last six months as the economy has soured.

Typical college tuition has gone up and endowments are down, but visits to the country's top online universities are up 43 percent from a year ago, according to the research firm.

Enrollment, too, is up.

At University of Phoenix, one of the country's leaders in online education, there were about 225,000 students across the nation in 2006. At the same time two years later, the figures were closer to 280,000, according to its Web site.

And, as of Feb. 28, 397,700 students were enrolled in online and traditional classes at University of Phoenix.

But it's not for everyone.

Melody Knee, who helps Tokay High students complete scholarship applications in preparation for higher education, does not recommend that first-time college students seek an online course.

"Often, it is their first experience with college and they would be better served in the classroom," she said, adding that she personally has taken online courses and it works well for her. "But I have also sat in many traditional classrooms and understand the amount of work a college class entails.

"One must be extremely disciplined to successfully complete an online course, as there is only contact via e-mail," she said, adding that students don't get the verbal reminders they would normally receive in a traditional classroom settings. Check-in, too, is done over the Internet.

Knee, personally, is not aware of any local graduating seniors planning to attend an online-only college.

University of Phoenix is often an alternative for working adults looking to earn a degree while they work full-time. The college has campuses all over the country, with the closest learning centers to Lodi located in Lathrop and Elk Grove. As of Feb. 29, 2008, the combined degree enrollment for University of Phoenix was more than 330,200 students, and it offered more than 100 degrees.

They are earning degrees online without having to travel to a campus.

Instead, like their peers at similar colleges in the area, they log on to an electronic forum three to five times per week, depending on the chosen program, to participate in discussions, communicate with faculty, obtain assignments and submit coursework online.

Another online college is Chapman University, which also has a location in Modesto, and National University, with campuses in both Stockton and Sacramento. The school offers on-site courses, as well.

The average age of a National University student is 35 years old, and 63 percent of the student body is female, according to Emery-Sherman. It offers more than 60 degrees.

Students take one rigorous class per month with much of the accountability falling squarely on their shoulders. That's one reason schools like this don't attract graduating high schoolers, she added.

"They really need to be more mature than someone straight out of college. You have to be very disciplined."

But online colleges aren't the only ones offering programs on the Internet.

Go to San Joaquin Delta College's Web site, and among the list along the right side of the main page is a link to online classes offered there. At Pacific, too, students can take online courses, but unlike the alternative universities, one can't earn an entire degree without stepping on campus, said Rhashad Pittman, university spokesman.

Contact reporter Jennifer Bonnett at jenniferb@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

Acampo_Mom wrote on May 22, 2009 10:01 AM:

" Lodian...I agree! "

Lodian wrote on May 22, 2009 9:56 AM:

" The point is to educate oneself. If it's at a JC, University or online...that's just fine. If your path is vocational school or an apprenticeship that works just as well. Starting a business is perfect too. Why such argument over what education each individual wants to acquire? Not everyone fits in the same boat... thank God! "

Acampo_Mom wrote on May 22, 2009 9:29 AM:

" jbhiker...no need to get snotty. My comprehension is just fine.

Did you not say "...Online schools will continue to hurt America..."
And "...understand how "so-called" online degrees just make us dumber as a nation..."
Or "Take the easy way."???

I understood that you believe that not everyone must go to college and earn a degree to make their way in life. I'm with you on that one. I'm all for someone graduating high school and going on to earn a degree, vocational certificate, or professional license. My husband went to vocational schools, and works at a leading tech company, he is doing fine without a Bachelors or Masters in "Great Geekiness 101".

What I'm in disagreement with is that (legitimate) online courses will "hurt America", "make us dumber", or that they are "taking the easy way".

My belief is that any education, be it traditional, online, correspondence, can only HELP. It certainly won't hinder. "

jbhiker wrote on May 22, 2009 7:39 AM:

" Acampo Mom - How can you expect to get anything out of your Online classes with such poor reading comprehension? "

Acampo_Mom wrote on May 22, 2009 6:44 AM:

" jbhiker...I don't know where you are getting that it is the "easy way" to take online classes. If you are thinking you just register on a website, pay some money, and receive a degree, you are wrong!

The online versions of college level classes are just as challenging (save for the commute); they use the same text books, same curriculum, and usually the same instructors as the traditional classes. They also cost the same for tuition and books (save for the commute and parking permit). "

jbhiker wrote on May 22, 2009 5:27 AM:

" In the long run, Online schools will continue to hurt America unless we reform the basic education system. Take a country like Germany where you can decide to be a "Suit" or an "Engineer" at an early age. Suits go on to be managers, Engineers continue to Technical school and learn how to actually build things and create an solid economic base. You can see this with the import of foreign machinery to America; cars, formers, robots, etc.. Until you can think in the long term, I don't expect you to understand how "so-called" online degrees just make us dumber as a nation while we continue to ignore the very reason we are bailing out Poker-Playing Banks. There is no industrial growth anymore so who can blame them for inventing derivatives? You have to invest in something so you can have an even bigger house! Even the Industrial Sector is using Japanese and German equipment. 3rd World America is on our doorstep and you don't even see it coming. Take the easy way. "

Robb wrote on May 20, 2009 8:16 PM:

" I do quite a bit of hiring for a local county, they have No problem with online schools, in my personal experience from the last few years, some of the online graduates are quite a bit More competent, than their brick & mortar" counterparts.. "

Nell wrote on May 20, 2009 8:39 AM:

" I find it interesting that some people think that it is LAZY to attend a school like Phoenix. Is it lazy of me that I commute 2-3 hours a day to a full time job, just received a $300 cut in pay, am a full time mom, and am trying to better my education and chances at a better job to care for my family? Lazy? Walk in my shoes for just a day! "

Acampo_Mom wrote on May 20, 2009 6:05 AM:

" LOL Bob...Maybe I did miss your point. My point was that most traditional brick and mortar schools are ALSO online schools. Comprende? "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on May 19, 2009 8:13 PM:

" Acampo Mom, you are missing my point. Let me make it simpler. Online schools, like University of Phoenix, do not have good reputations with employers when compared to traditional, brick and mortar schools. Capiche? "

Cogito wrote on May 19, 2009 1:01 PM:

" Bob, I agree with your last post. I also have a nephew who graduated from the lowly ITT Tech who was offered a job with the CIA, in DC, upon his graduation. But, he was valedictorian, had perfect attendance, and maintained a 40 hr. a week job. "

Acampo_Mom wrote on May 19, 2009 8:39 AM:

" Oh and Rhodie...In my experiences with online courses we never actually "watched" anything it is all through email, class forums, live chat, etc.

I took all my classes so that I could actually learn the material. I definitely wouldn't have been doing myself any favors if I had someone else do them for me! The classes that were available at night in Lodi, I took the "in class room" version of it (not many of those). I also took a few on-campus classes (at Delta). But a majority of my classes were online, because those were the ones that fit my schedule. "

Acampo_Mom wrote on May 19, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Bob...You do know that UC Davis offers online courses don't you? Most colleges do. Yet, on your degree it won't say 60% in class participation 40% online participation. It's just a run of the mill degree. You won't know the difference if the prospective employee shows you the degree.

Rhodie...You're right, it's all on your honor, there are no cameras to verify identity. I took many online courses at Delta (as well as on campus) and when you take an exam, there is a check box that you have to check to confirm that you are the person that is supposed to be taking the test and that you will not be cheating.

There IS a lot of interaction in online courses, I would say MORE. And those that aren't normally very out going end up seeming to find their "voice" when they attend the online discussions more than they would if they were in a class with 50 or 60 students. "

Rhodie wrote on May 19, 2009 7:59 AM:

" I got a question from about this on-line stuff. I know as a student you can watch the classes but when it comes to the in-class participation how do the colleges know it is the student taking the test and not some sibling, boy/girlfirend or parent taking class to "help out" the student? Sign ins are easy enough to fake. Are you required to have a camera so they can monitor who is watching the class or something. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on May 18, 2009 11:35 PM:

" So Cogito, you get what you pay for, huh? What I see all the time is employers who think applicants who get their degrees online are just buying them, not earning them. Once again, I didn't say the thinking was fair, but that the thinking is reality among many employers. If the choice is between an applicant who earned a degree at, say, Davis, and one who got it online from U. of Phoenix, the employer will go with the Davis grad 90% of the time (all other factors being equal). "

justlookin wrote on May 18, 2009 11:30 PM:

" started working in michigan at coney island @ 16 yrs old/then when to community college at 18 and still worked there after high school.worked at an auto dealer 40hr a week then split to work there after there and workedweekends. never asked parents to cosign anything. bought 2 cars ,one used for 4200 in 1980 and one for 7000 in 1984 no cosigner ever and shared a townhouse 131.00 no co signers ever, "

Observer wrote on May 18, 2009 4:23 PM:

" I'm a believe in the old saying, "90% of what you learn in college isn't necessarily in the classroom." To each his/her own. I'm sure every parent's dream when their child is born is that they will be successful in life. If it's a college degree, online degree, vocational degree or no degree at all. In general however, I believe you have an advantage with a college degree. Whether you use that advantage or not is up to the individual. "

ilovelodi wrote on May 18, 2009 4:19 PM:

" To Emily09: I have earned most of my college degrees in traditional settings: AA/Delta, BS/CSU, Stanislaus, and MS/CSU, Sacramento. Only my last degree: EdD/Uviv. of Phoenix was online. So I speak from experience – there are numerous and valuable differences between traditional classroom setting and online course discussions. And yes, I have taken an English course online – last year at Delta (ENG 45/Bible as Literature) and we had tons of in-depth online discussions which could have never occurred in traditional classroom settings because of time constraints.

The important thing to remember is that there are different types of online courses. For example, a math course may only offer a format for submitting homework assignments and doing tests. But an English or Psychology course will require class participation and ongoing dialog about different topics/concepts. This format promotes more discussions than sitting in a classroom. Plus, your grade depends on participation – which can easily be tracked on the computer. "

jbhiker wrote on May 18, 2009 3:30 PM:

" I love it when the Brain kicks in! "

Emily09 wrote on May 18, 2009 3:11 PM:

" To ilovelodi If you earned your degree online you wouldn’t have had a traditional college course to compare it to. I am currently in college and have also taken a handful of courses online. I know the set up your talking about, they are all like that. I think the benefit depends on the actual course you are taking. Lecture type classes are okay for online but you can’t even compare a discussion class like English, philosophy or communications. Its just not the same. I agree that the benefit of lecture classes is minimal; however, the discussion based college classes aren’t even on the same level as online classes. "

Cogito wrote on May 18, 2009 3:11 PM:

" And Lodian is right, college is only one arrow in ones quiver. I always compel the young people I know to show up, be on time, give your boss a full days work, and treat your customers as if they're the only one you have. Those simple things will take you a long way towards success. "

Cogito wrote on May 18, 2009 3:07 PM:

" Bob, some of the most prestigious on line schools charge as much as $9000.00 a semester. I don't think they could be charging that if their diplomas are worthless. "

Cogito wrote on May 18, 2009 3:05 PM:

" Lodian, I don't want to get into too many specifics because that always gives an excuse to the bottom feeders to criticize. But, the school is the least important denominator in this scenario. The bottom line is this person used an on line university to obtain a graduate degree which, along with hard work and dedication, was one of the tools they used for promotion within a big company. This person has also survived big layoffs within this company. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on May 18, 2009 3:04 PM:

" Cogito said, "...if the online education is the proper one."

Aye, there's the rub. Too many folks are opting for the ease and convenience of these internet degree factories, and then finding out too late that the "school" has a lousy reputation with employers.

The degree is useless if you can't do anything with it. "

ilovelodi wrote on May 18, 2009 2:58 PM:

" To “davidd …My recommendation is to look only at regional schools with a prestigious reputation and take their online classes.”

Sorry you had such a negative experience with UoPhx. I completed my degree last year with UoPhx and my experience was mostly positive. I had a few instructors that were negative, but that happens in any learning institution. Online degrees are so popular because most people can’t afford to miss work to attend classes. Traditional colleges/universities hire instructors who teach large groups of students because it’s too expensive for instructors to have smaller classes. Alternative programs (like UoPhx) are becoming increasingly popular because they can offer more choices – evening or online classes – but at a significant cost. "

Lodian wrote on May 18, 2009 2:04 PM:

" Cogito: What university are you talking about? "

Lodian wrote on May 18, 2009 2:01 PM:

" jbhiker wrote "Be a good person, learn a skill, start your own business if you want and always believe in yourself."

There are plenty of college students that graduate and still do not have these qualities/skills. I encourage college, but it still amazes me that students graduate from college yet still seem so ignorant and clueless. It's depends on the person I guess. Upbringing plays a role as well. "

Cogito wrote on May 18, 2009 1:58 PM:

" Here's an example for you. I know someone who works in management for a Fortune 500 corporation. This persons company pays for the further education of their employees. Many top universities now offer post graduate degrees through on line schooling. So my friend took up their offer and got an MBA from a doctoral level university. This university has over 15 division 1 national championships in various sports. They are one of Americas most recognizable schools. This school considers its online graduates to be on par with their regular student body to the point of inviting their online graduates to walk with the rest of the MBAs at graduation. Since this person has received their MBA, they have blown past many of the other managers who possess only a 4 year degree, have worked there longer, and flew up the pay scale as a result. So I don't exactly know who some of you are recruiting for, but the big boys will beg to differ with you if the online education is the proper one. There are proper ones out there. "

Lodian wrote on May 18, 2009 1:51 PM:

" Jbhiker: I agree with you. I believe college is great if that is what works for the individual. Some prefer vocational school, trade school or other paths to success. I am really starting to resent this whole push for every single student to go to a four-year college or they are made to see themselves as failures or second class to the college bound. It's simply ridiculous. People are individuals and college may be right for some where others will be extremely successful taking another road. I think that if we continue to see this push, and the loss of high school elective classes such as auto shop and wood shop etc, we will see more students drop out of high school. "

jbhiker wrote on May 18, 2009 1:45 PM:

" Bob said: "Who said "if you don't go to college you're a failure?"
Talk to the Kids at school. The answer: Nearly every one! I shall re-quote Emily09: "it is impossible to have a substantial future without a degree"! Translate that in Teenager Talk?!? Kids have a lot of pressure as it is and this does not help. Every kid knows this - you will not let them think about anything else! Is America better? Well.. better for the "Haves" and worse for the "Have-Nots" (lots more of them). You all better get a clue if you want to change the rapidly deteriorating dropout rate in High School. Your ideas "ain't workin' " except in your little bubble-house! Look at the article "It was easy, too, because I could miss two classes and still get the course done." Oh... I want to hire this one! "They really need to be more mature than someone straight out of college." As a Valley employer, I sure do agree with that! "

ilovelodi wrote on May 18, 2009 1:41 PM:

" To “Emily09 …I would never suggest online classes; you get so much more of an education in the classroom with teacher feedback and class discussions versus just a degree.”

I definitely disagree. I earned my degree online and found that we had more class discussions than any traditional class. The benefits of online instruction far outweigh the negative – which to me was the costs. Each week, as we explored different topics, we read the instructor’s posted lecture, answered the required discussion questions and then commenced to dialog with each other about our responses to the questions. Since we all had different answers, from a different point of view, our discussions became a rich source of information. We were also required to cite published references which meant not only did I learn from the articles I read – I heard about the articles that my 12-15 classmates had read. A typical on-ground class may only meet 1-3 hours a week with a class lecture and little interaction from students, but our discussions continued every day – all day. "

emily09 wrote on May 18, 2009 1:21 PM:

" Jbhiker you are just proving your ignorance! That was real inspiring... hey kids don’t push yourself to the limits, don’t be all that you can be, don’t strive for success, if something is hard just give up -- after all, the outcome isn’t worth it. If math is hard drop out, you can always buss tables and live in your mom’s basement for the rest of your life. Why don’t you encourage them to instead find something of their interest and to do all that they can to succeed once they find it; Maybe auto mechanic school, corrections, a CNA, or an electrician. All need vocational school. You’re throwing them off into the deep end. Be a good person? Where in the heck is that going to get you? Your mom’s house. And telling them to start a business when they can’t get pass the 6th grade? How easy do you think it is… come on now! Colleges offer 4 year degrees in that, creating a business is certainly not something you just jump into! Thanks Jbhiker, your argument was real convincing... almost got me to quit everything I’m working so hard at and apply to McDonalds. "

stucknlodi wrote on May 18, 2009 1:17 PM:

" I laugh when people say they cant go to college and work, or they need to take an online degree and work as well. I went to college, worked a full time job, and had a family. It took me 5 1/2 years to finish, but if you have the drive you can do whatever you want. I have worked with others that have done the same thing. I dont believe in those on-line degrees. I would not hire a person with one. I would hire a person without a degree if they are qualified. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on May 18, 2009 1:11 PM:

" jbhiker you are basing your whole stance on incorrect assumptions:

Who said "if you don't go to college you're a failure?"

Who said "all college grads wear a suit?"

Why are you so bitter towards higher education? How many schools rejected you? "

kidsalami wrote on May 18, 2009 12:57 PM:

" Who says everyone that goes to college wears a suit after graduation? "

jbhiker wrote on May 18, 2009 12:44 PM:

" Realistic?? How about you? People like you tell every kid in School this same thing - Get a degree or you are a failure. It is not true. And anyone who follows this philosophy is nuts. I agree that Education is important but it is not the Be-all / End-all of life as the two of you would have kids believe. Attention Kids - do not listen to these fools. Get an education but don't consider yourself a failure because you cannot go to college or you did not do well in High School. This world was NOT built by suits. Be a good person, learn a skill, start your own business if you want and always believe in yourself. "

Emily09 wrote on May 18, 2009 12:25 PM:

" jbhiker, No I'm not nuts. Are you ignorant? Have you read any news outside of Lodi lately?? Have you seen how many people are being laid off?? Have you seen the unemployment rates?? You are crazy to say hard work will get you far. "Im a hard worker" thats sure something to put on the resume. You and 1000 other people will have it! We do have a need for blue collar jobs but with the crazy competition in todays workforce employers can raise their standards. They want to see the qualifications on paper. They have 100+ ppl applyinng, they need to weed it out-if not a CSU degree then vocational- Have you been to a job fair lately? So many people are in need of jobs that employers can raise the standards, and still pay the same. You talk about the last two generations, how is today anything like it was in the 60's. We are all struggling and the job market reflects this. Look at babysitting. 2 generations ago you would ask the neighbors kid, now criteria calls for cpr certification, child devpt classes, perferably a human development degree and 2nd language. Look at craigslist! "

Bob Loblaw wrote on May 18, 2009 12:12 PM:

" jb, why do you need to call Emily names? I thought her opinion was thoughtful.

People get degrees so they can earn more money and live comfortably. White collar jobs generally pay more than blue collar jobs. Are you going to make up the difference in pay for people to "build and repair things?" Be realistic. "

jbhiker wrote on May 18, 2009 11:09 AM:

" Emily09: "it is impossible to have a substantial future without a degree". Are you nuts? College degrees are a dime a dozen. What we need are people who actually want to work for a living - people who can build and repair things. We have enough phony-baloney suits to last us for 2 generations. This is why Immigrant Employment is so popular! Most of these guys make a difference to their employer, rather than just taking up space. But their kids - now that's another matter entirely. "

Emily09 wrote on May 18, 2009 10:46 AM:

" I have mixed feelings about online degrees. It has gotten to the point where it is impossible to have a substantial future without a degree. This leads to an ugly cycle of needing a degree to get a real job... but needing money to get that degree.

And really, a lot of people don't have the privilege of being able to take time off of work to go to school. In many cases individuals even need to work 2 or 3 jobs to support their family let alone pay for tuition and books. This makes online classes a good alternative.

However, if you have the option i would never suggest online classes; you get so much more of an education in the classroom with teacher feedback and class discussions versus just a degree.

Also, CSU students are facing 10% hikes next semester; a lot of people cant afford that. If it werent for online school --which are cheaper, and work around the individual's schedule--the rich would continue to strive as many bright, dedicated, and motivated individuals would be left in the dust with dead-end minimum-wage jobs for the rest of their lives. "

classof72 wrote on May 18, 2009 9:59 AM:

" As a local employer, on-line degrees are less valuable than incomplete post-secondary eduacation completed at a regular institution. Even verifiable experience in-lieu of education is more valuable for most jobs. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on May 18, 2009 8:51 AM:

" As a person who reviews a lot of applications, I can tell you that applicants with degrees from online institutions almost always get screened out of the hiring process. Employers equate online degrees to laziness, earned by people who can't get into traditional schools. That may be unfair, but that is the reality in a competitive job market. "

davidd wrote on May 18, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Taking online courses is fine, but it matters where you go to take them.

I spent a considerable amount of time and money with University of Phoenix (all online) and had many negative experiences. While the work-at-home part was great, the teachers were a big problem. When I talked to HR professionals, they confessed that they do not give much consideration to University of Phoenix degrees. I very much regret the time and money that I wasted there.

My recommendation is to look only at regional schools with a prestigious reputation and take their online classes. "

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