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Brett Jolley, a Stockton land-use attorney representing Lodi First, addressed the Lodi City Council and the Planning Commission during a hearing at Hutchins Street Square on Wednesday. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)

Lodi City Council approves Wal-Mart Supercenter by 3-2 vote

By Ross Farrow
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:43 PM PDT

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The Lodi City Council voted 3-2 on Wednesday to approve a use permit for a large shopping center, to include a Wal-Mart Supercenter, at the southwest corner of Lower Sacramento Road and Kettleman Lane.

Mayor Larry Hansen, Vice Mayor Phil Katzakian and Councilman Bob Johnson approved the project, while Councilwomen Susan Hitchcock and JoAnne Mounce opposed the project.

The vote came after one attorney questioned whether the council was authorized to take a vote at all since the Planning Commission deadlocked on the issue, and another tried to disqualify Katzakian from voting due to a conflict of interest.

Hitchcock tried unsuccessfully to get Wednesday's meeting postponed until Schwabauer could further research whether Katzakian had a conflict-of-interest, and therefore couldn't legally vote on the Supercenter and shopping center.

City Attorney Steve Schwabauer said that all five council members were entitled to vote on the project.

The four-hour meeting in the Hutchins Street Square theater resulted in the council approving the 13-building, 340,000-square-foot shopping center. Approvals included a use permit, tentative parcel map, site plan and architectural review findings.

The council's approval won't allow Browman Development to build the center right away. Final discretion lies with San Joaquin County Superior Court due to a lawsuit filed in 2005 by Lodi First, an anti-Wal-Mart group. The court eventually ruled that environmental studies were not adequate.


Lodi City Council members listen during a hearing regarding the Wal-Mart Supercenter on Wednesday at Hutchins Street Square. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)

It will take several months for documents on the case to be ready for the judge, Brett Jolley, representing Lodi First, said after Wednesday's meeting.

Shortly before the council voted, Hansen said that free enterprise should dictate the economy, not the City Council.

"A lot of people are complaining about government sticking its finger in the auto industry, the bank industry, the home industry," Hansen said.

These same people, he said, want the council to interfere and deny the Supercenter project.

Hansen acknowledged that some businesses will close after the Supercenter is built, but the city will rebound from it.

Browman promoted the project by saying it will make the Lower Sacramento Road-Kettleman Lane intersection the dominant retail area in Lodi, increase city retail sales tax revenue, bring 866 new jobs to Lodi and send a message that Lodi is business friendly.

"It will be one of the nicest looking Wal-Marts in the country," Browman added.

Mark Anaforian, of Lodi, former regional manager for Long's Drugs and now a salesman to retail outlets, said the extra tax revenue Browman cited will come from existing Lodi businesses.

Mounce, in opposing the Supercenter project, said that Lodi is saturated with commercial land with the council's recent approval of the Reynolds Ranch project south of Harney Lane. The Supercenter would also increase crime, blight and urban decay in Lodi, Mounce said.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.

Wal-Mart Reactions

"Virtually every stone has been unturned."

— Developer Darryl Browman about the shopping center proposal

"It appears to me that those (big-box) stores are not good for the community, not good for the economy."

— William Eychaner, Lodi resident since 2001

"Your risking people's employment."

— Mark Anaforian, Lodi resident who sells items to retail outlets

"I don't want to see (merchants) leave and have a vacant store."

— Stan Finberg, representing Cherokee Plaza, anchored by Big Kmart

"There's no difference in my mind behind Costco and a Super Wal-Mart. No one is complaining about Costco coming to Lodi."

— Lodi City Councilman Bob Johnson

Reader Feedback

edumacation wrote on May 18, 2009 5:28 PM:

" jbhIKER, I AM IN AGREEMENT. MAny times we get distracted by politicians who manufacture the "differences" between the two major parties. Both are two sides of the same coin owned by investment bankers and wall street. The difference in amny cases is only which thief gets paid off. A Republican or a Democrat. A thief is a thief under any other fictitious label. When America gets tired off the greed and lies of both parties, one of two events will occur. The political parties will get serious and start changing, or the whole system will have to be changed. Hopefully, for the better. We deserve nothing less than honest representatives, and an honest government.

Many forget that Adolph Hitler was legally appointed Chancellor and the 1932 enabling Act gave him his dictatorial powers legally. I see parallels with the now unrestrained power of the federal reserve who is working as a handmaiden for Fed Banks not for American citizens. Only time will tell what happens. "

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edumacation wrote on May 18, 2009 5:13 PM:

" If there are any public health nurses out there please answer this question: is it safe to eat from a bottle of pickles that has had unknown fingers poking about inside? How about if we see teethmarks in our peanut butter bottles? Or partially munched on produce? How do we know whether it is safe for human consumtion? Is it illegal to eat from sealed food containers? why not? How about grazing in the apple, banana or carrot department? If a customer blows their nose on a lettuce leaf, can washing it off remove the "tiny bits"? Is it safe to eat? or is it just a little saltier? "

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jbhiker wrote on May 18, 2009 5:11 PM:

" edumacation: Business Welfare? How True!!! $800 BILLION True. We allow it here at the local level - why not do it at the Federal Level?? The depressing part is that the Republicans were behind it all the way - until the Democrats pointed it out and took advantage of it. NOW it is the same old "same-old".
How would you envision all of us to "just say no" here locally? Can you give me an example or two? "

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Robb wrote on May 18, 2009 4:02 PM:

" Then this is perfect, you get: a fabric store a bookstore a crafts store all in one, how lucky is that? "

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edumacation wrote on May 18, 2009 11:54 AM:

" Observer: You made another wrong assumption--I don't watch TV dramas.

This was an obvious red herring, Who cares about Kings tickets when we are taking about major big bucks for any company involved in Real estate development, construction, insurance etc and etc. Ring any bells?

What happened to capitalism. In this city "capitalism" is really a pretext of local governent. The tax base which is the lifeblood of bureaucrats requires the participation of the same three forces of Real estate, construction development and local banks. What is so capitalistic about that? It's really welfare capitalism, where "businesses" need the government and vice versa. We need to recognize these relationships and control them so transparency and prudent decision making can return.

A few years of "JUST SAY NO" will force these businesses to deal with the private sector not with their advocates on the city council for projects.

It's time to bring in the push brooms and clean house Lodi taxpayers can't afford paying for the lifestyles of the GOB through local government games. "

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Lodian wrote on May 18, 2009 11:52 AM:

" LOL! "

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jbhiker wrote on May 18, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Rhodie: It went right over your head, didn't it? "

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Observer wrote on May 18, 2009 9:18 AM:

" Edu, you've been watching way too much Law and Order. "

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Observer wrote on May 18, 2009 9:16 AM:

" 16925.....here's the quote from the newspaper article:

The second challenge, by John Quinn, chief executive officer for the adjacent Food-4-Less supermarket's parent company, claimed that Vice Mayor Phil Katzakian was ineligible to vote because a Food-4-Less marketing director gave two $960 tickets to a Sacramento Kings basketball game in April to a second cousin of Katzakian's wife. That resulted in a conflict-of-interest for Katzakian, Quinn said in his letter to the city.

What am I missing? "

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16925 wrote on May 18, 2009 7:58 AM:

" The kings tickets were given by Food for Less to Phil Kats' wife. Her cuz works for Food 4 less. "

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edumacation wrote on May 17, 2009 11:19 PM:

" Observer: Another non-sequiter! Please listen and read carefully to the facts. I hope you never get on a jury trial.

Where dod you get this blather about Kings tickets and what does that have to do with anything?

1) If my uncle is the one who set me up in business, don't you think I would owe the family instead of fighting them by disagreeing with the Grand Plan? One plus One EQUALS?

2) Do you really believe that if a police officer catches a criminal in the act, that the perpetrator will say: "Yes officer, I know my rights and want to tell you how sorry I am for getting caught while I was conducting a planned home invasion of an old folks home and only used a small caliber 38 special....but I never wanted anyone to get hurt"

Say what? Do you believe all the lies that are spun by con-artists, politicans and crooks? Oh right---they are in politics to "give something" back to the community? Many have given "too much" already!! Go back to your trades and quit feathering your nests. "

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Observer wrote on May 17, 2009 4:54 PM:

" Edu, tell me you're kidding about the conflict of interest. Two Kings tickets to a wife's second cousin! (Kings tickets aren't worth the paper they're printed on anyway) The source of the tickets....a marketing agent from Food 4 Less! Come on, you're better than that. "

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edumacation wrote on May 17, 2009 4:12 PM:

" Lodian: Waht we have on the CC are a couple of old "f$&Ts" that are only there to please their GOB masters. Even asking the questions about a possible conflict of interest should raise eyebrows. Family ALWAYS comes first. Red(blood) before Green(money). But in at least in one case Red=Green. I think it highly implausible that any family member would agree to anything that would cause the family to potentially lose one dime. The proper thing to do is "step down" and only vote on non-family controlled businesses.

Lodian--do any of the GOB also own a Mortuary? If so, they have us involuntarily tithing to them from womb to tomb. I guess that's why they call them the "Good Ol Boyz". I have to give credit to the real T&C for using that phraseology. "

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Lodian wrote on May 17, 2009 12:09 PM:

" Lodi could use a fabric store (JoAnns), a bookstore (Barnes and Noble), a crafts store (Michaels), a Trader Joes! (or the like).... and all we get is another Walmart. Ugh. Our city leaders do no think very highly of us. Maybe they plan on retiring somewhere else and leaving Lodi in the dust. "

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edumacation wrote on May 17, 2009 10:31 AM:

" Observer: Did I ever mention the words "sewing machine"? I hand sew. "

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Observer wrote on May 17, 2009 9:22 AM:

" Make that SOUTH of Costco. "

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Observer wrote on May 17, 2009 9:21 AM:

" Ahh, edu....you're showing your age. I don't think a person under 50 even knows what a sewing machine looks like. My wife (well over 50) still sews. Fabric stores seem to be a thing of the past. I think she goes to a fabric store on West Lane north of Costco. "

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Rhodie wrote on May 17, 2009 8:52 AM:

" jbhiker wrote on May 16, 2009 6:54 AM:

" Edu: We have a good start with the Bicycle path all the way from Cherokee to Future-SWM now! A Carpool lane is needed now! We can add a continuous Bicycle path to the Police Station, too."
What Bike path are you talking about. I'm on my bike all over Lodi, except Cherokee. I'd be a hood ornament in no time flat (excuse the pun). I wish we had better bike lanes in town here. Especially on Harney. Kettleman is good, Hutchins is Okay, avoid Ham, Cresent and Fremont are okay if you don't mind the constant slope down, Mills is descent and my main path. Elm is easy enough to cut across town with, stay of Lodi as much as possible. Century is the best but stops at Church Street. Don't forget Lower Sac, Nothing like 12 inches seperating you and 3000#'s doin' 50MPH. I would love a bike lane from Lodi to Spanos park. Maybe Harney down to Thorton and across to Eight mile and over. Wouldn't mind one down West Ln to Stockton either. But I bike alot. "

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edumacation wrote on May 16, 2009 11:37 PM:

" Observer: Perhaps once every two-three years? I wanted to avoid having to drive to the Number Fifth US Crime city for some sewing supplies. Lodi no longer has a meaningful supply of these items. "

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Observer wrote on May 16, 2009 8:15 PM:

" edu, how much time do you spend in Walmart. I've only been there a couple of times. ;-) "

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Cogito wrote on May 16, 2009 7:57 PM:

" Lodian, are you referring to back in the day, when Obamas Secretary of State was on the board of directors? Or when she, as a partner in the Rose Law firm, handled many of their legal matters. Or as recently as 2004 when she told an audience that working with WalMart "was a great experience in every respect". As a friend of the conservative Republican Sam Walton, the Clintons in general, and Hillary specifically, did little to nothing to change the way WalMart did business. "

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Lodian wrote on May 16, 2009 6:31 PM:

" edumacation: IMO, the Walmart Corporation has gone down hill since Sam Walton died. I really used to like Walmart (back in the day) but it's now no longer a good thing for American cities. I have a feeling that Sam Walton would be ashamed of what his children have done with his old American company. "

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edumacation wrote on May 16, 2009 4:58 PM:

" ordinarycitizen: It's true that the produce department looks like feeding time at the zoo. But I digress to the pickles! Can you imagine buying a bottle of pickles, knowing that dirty fingers--who knows where those digits have been---are poking and prodding pickles---leaving the proverbial fingernail in the crush. I saw another SWM "grazer" trying to maintain her diet, but she could not overcome the urge to start scooping peanut butter out of the jars to make an impromptu Super Walmart peanut butter and pickle sandwich right in the middle of aisle 19. Ohh the humanity---watching that 300# beast-like shadow munching and gobbling like a buffalo in heat.

Why can't the Walton's do something about the carnage? Why do you always have to hear the blasting gangsta rap of KWIN in establishments like this. From ads for Mother Azumbar's fortune telling to ads for Shaniquah's hair straightener, and the Gumbah brothers bail bonds? Welcome to North Stockton, I means da Lodi. "

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Lodian wrote on May 16, 2009 3:02 PM:

" ordinarycitizen: Re your 8:31 AM post, I agree. "

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Lodian wrote on May 16, 2009 3:01 PM:

" ordinarycitizen: Re Rancho San Miguel... they've probably never been asked to post anything in English. "

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Lodian wrote on May 16, 2009 2:59 PM:

" what22 wrote on May 15, 2009 7:55 PM:

" DID SOMEBODY ACTUALLY QUOTE GEORGE BUSH "
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Read it again, genius. ;-) "

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Lodian wrote on May 16, 2009 2:56 PM:

" Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 5:37 PM:
" "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." --George Bush

I think you are just embarrassing yourself by quoting that man. "
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Lodisgrrreat: LOL! Really? How do you figure? "

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ordinarycitizen wrote on May 16, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Somebody brought up the Rancho San Miguel complex on Cherokee. I would like to ask this question and does anybody have or know the answer? Why is it that the signs are all in Spanish and nothing is in English on the outside of their buildings? I don't speak Spanish and I don't think that it's right to have their signs all in Spanish. If we are to accomodate Spanish speaking people in every single piece of literature and product that is distributed, then why on earth was the signage permitted to be in Spanish only? I think it's wrong. I haven't ever stepped foot into that store for that reason. We live in America and Lodi is a part of the greatest nation on earth, which happens to be English speaking. I think the signs should be in English first with Spanish second. Just as I believe that the Sikh complex isn't flying the American flag and it should. This is America. We speak English and we fly our flag proudly. "

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ordinarycitizen wrote on May 16, 2009 8:31 AM:

" I commend Hitchcock and Mounce as well for voting sensibly, and right, on the SWM issue. To edumacation: I have observed the same thing as you did at the SWM in Hanford. Farm workers straight from the field, and other unclean types of peoples, pawing through the vegetables and eating their way through each bin with filthy hands. Pieces of half eaten produce littered a filthy floor. The floor in the produce section looked as if it hadn't been touched by a mop in years. Disgusting. I wouldn't buy one thing from the produce department if you paid me to. SWM seems to attract the unsavory aspects of human nature, and if that is voiced, then one has to be a bigot. No. It's just observation on what is cleanliness and what is plain piggish. Having said that, I am not a part of any group. Just an ordinary citizen who has done some research on Wal-mart and its practices and I am not impressed. It's worth shopping for quality - items that will last - than to buy cheap and have to replace it in a month or two. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 16, 2009 6:54 AM:

" Edu: We have a good start with the Bicycle path all the way from Cherokee to Future-SWM now! A Carpool lane is needed now! We can add a continuous Bicycle path to the Police Station, too. Given the criminal activity we have now - multiplied by the new SWM, we will save money using Tandems to transport criminals. ECO-Friendly too! Police and criminals will be in better shape and it will inspire crooks to go green with Prius or Vespas as their green getaway vehicle. Those who are not as confident and may be caught could save money at City Bicycles by purchasing a "Starter Bike for Bangers". That would pump up the Biz at Lakewood area, too! Judges could offer a reduced sentence when the thief jumps on a Segway rather than into one of those Gas Hawg SUVs drive by some guy polluting with his cigarette! Hey - another Niche Business possibility. I think you are onto something. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 16, 2009 6:38 AM:

" Well Caliwings - I need your number so I can invite you to my parties - NOT! "

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edumacation wrote on May 15, 2009 9:05 PM:

" And think of the Obama first time housing incentive of $8,000 times the 400 spaces= 3.2 million to spoend on bandanas,hoochie skirts and low low prices at the new Super Walmart! We can become like Davis. More bicycle paths less cars. Maybve we can start closing of streets so we can start building ,more green spaces. Rear Admiral sir, and K man, Mr G man and all the G's. Lets start building again! Sell sell sell, we won't have a slow down in Lodi. Come one come all, bring all who are filed with sorrow and pain to the new West side Green spaces community. I love it. We can even build a new Hutchins Square called Lodi park. Lets see which GOB names we can use for these halls?

In only a few weeks the dancing kids with their dancing Real Estate signs can show the way to Lodi---to Borchardt Green spaces and our bikeways and the new mega store Super Walmart. Or El Mercado superior de la Ciudad del Lodi. El GOB is muy bueno? Yi yi yi yi andale! "

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edumacation wrote on May 15, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Acampo-mom: Thanks, you got me thinking of a way to help the GOB build build build and sell sell sell. We can explore the use of Borchardt park as the site of new "green affordable housing" initiative. Hey "K man" are you listening? We could build GREEN affordable housing spaces by removing the unfair restrictions on off street parking. We would have NO parking and no streets or cars. We would have access only by a bike path going directly to the SWM. I figure with density of 400 units per acre, we could get the tax base high enough to pay off some city debt! We have GREEN, as in no yards, Green as in 300 sq ft living spaces. Anyone who needs more than 300 sqft housing is anti-Obama and anti-Green. These would be bachelor spaces that we could sell for only $150,000 each. Amenities would include a free bike rack to park bicycles and stop pollution. 300 x $150,000 = 45 million dollars to keep the GOB in green and 3.8 million in Realtor commissions. Are you listening K man? Look at the tax base now? "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on May 15, 2009 8:35 PM:

" re: edumacation on May 15, 2009 6:24 PM

LOL...Good stuff!!! "

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what22 wrote on May 15, 2009 7:55 PM:

" DID SOMEBODY ACTUALLY QUOTE GEORGE BUSH "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 7:04 PM:

" Well you can't cure stupid! You got an "F" on that test. "

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citizen wrote on May 15, 2009 6:48 PM:

" Three words for Betsy Fiske Ha Ha Ha "

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edumacation wrote on May 15, 2009 6:24 PM:

" Lodian: I have an idea. Lets move all the massage parlors off of Cherokee and into the existing Walmart. We could divide it into five sections: Massage parlor, Tattoo parlor, HomeTown Buffet, Marijuana medication store and a Westside foodbank. This way we can bring diversity to the West side. The SWM shoppers will feel more comfortable and we can get away from that "snob appeal" that happens when you actually learn how to read and write AND you still own your own front teeth.

We can have Flea market on Weekends to help build a spirit of community. If we had some automated NO right turn cameras and speed cameras we might earn enough money from the tickets to pay for the police and jail we will need to hold suspects. "

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Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 5:37 PM:

" "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." --George Bush


I think you are just embarrassing yourself by quoting that man. "

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Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 5:34 PM:

" The below comment was directed at jbhiker for those of you who may or may not be paying attention. "

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Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 5:32 PM:

" You seem to be particularly bothered by my synopsis of Lodi and its residents. Could it be that you are one the 35+ year old white males that I am referring to that most of the ignorance is to be blamed? I bet you are. White. Republican. And ignorant. It's people like you that keep Lodi from being the really great California town it could and should be. Maybe Galt is a better place for you. "

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WingIt wrote on May 15, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Lodisgrrreat -- I had some great times in the past so I have no problem staying there. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Lodisgrrrea - you certainly fit into the Oasis. In fact you seem to be the tallest tree on the pond. "

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Observer wrote on May 15, 2009 4:34 PM:

" jb, I think you're stretching my comments a bit. Of course there needs to be some regulation. In a democracy we all get to weigh in on what those regulations might look like. Sometimes I agree with them and other times I don't. I abide by them regardless. Believe me, I won't be impacted one iota if SWM never opens. to me it's a much larger issue than Walmart. "

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Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 4:07 PM:

" jbhiker

My name is what it is because Lodisucks was already taken, or not allowed. I'm going to assume the former, although the latter would fit right in to my argument that Lodi as a whole is an oasis of ignorance.

"From that History comes respect"

From who? Fellow Lodians? No one else cares. Trust me. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 4:01 PM:

" Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 3:29 PM:

" I really have nothing intelligent to say on this matter."

That's quite evident. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 3:58 PM:

" Observer - analyze your comments. The Government protects you and your business with laws. So you have no problems with ANYONE putting a business wherever they want as long as they what..meet the requirements of the Government? Right...! Good luck with that one. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 3:54 PM:

" Lodisgrrreat - your Name appears to be a Conundrum. I can easily answer your question. Lodi is a Premier Wine area. We played a large part in History when American Wines began to replace French Wines in stores. This makes Lodi important and we should preserve that heritage. Many of us are proud of that and will do anything to stop the bulldozer of growth from undermining what the Pioneers did, especially when it was such a good thing. While you may have no History here, some do. From that History comes respect. You appear to have none so I suggest you get some before your life passes away. "

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Lodisgrrreat wrote on May 15, 2009 3:29 PM:

" I really have nothing intelligent to say on this matter. But I'll try to give my opinion here anyway. I'll start with a rhetorical question or two. Why can't I buy a decent pair of shoes in Lodi? Why is Lodi so socially awkward? Why are all the white people in Lodi ignorant bigots? Why is Lodi so concerned with staying small and refusing expansion not only population wise, but economically, socially, and politically? Lodi supporters/apologists can say all they want about me not knowing what i'm talking about, but trust me. I know Lodi. I haven't lived here all my life, but I went to Jr. high and High school here and recently moved back due to circumstances beyond my control. In fact I don't think people will realize just how backwards and ignorant Lodi is as a whole until they live in just about any other mid size/ large city in California. Why? is it something in the water? Is it an identity problem? An inferiority complex? Please, Lodi, learn to think forward or you will be left in the past. I don't need to explain myself any further. "

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Observer wrote on May 15, 2009 1:50 PM:

" Sorry JB, I was in a specialized retail business. I am not a Walmart shopper. I am however, a staunch believer in free enterprise and competition. I was successful because I had a niche and provided personal service. I would deliver on a Sunday if it was necessary. I would not oppose any business that met the criteria required for that retail location. I am absolutely opposed to government bailing out or protecting any business. Who was going to protect me and the other 99.99@ of the independent businesses in this country? "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 1:50 PM:

" Lodisafeway wrote "Just because prostitutes, drug pushers and other criminals gather on Hammer Lane in the proximity of their Wal-Mart, that cannot possibly be the responsibility of any business conducting business within the confines of the law."

I disagree with you, but whether you think it's their fault or not it still happens on their watch and on their property. It's the element that a SWM attracts. And SWM allows it to happen. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 1:48 PM:

" Lodisafeway: Your guess that the opposition to a SWM in Lodi is "driven by nothing but sheer hatred" is quite a bit over the top and simply ignorant. Personally, I think it's a weak attempt to trivialize the position of the opposition and the try and elevate your views. Obviously, you do not have a clue as to what the opposition is all about. It's just easy for you to call it "hate". Anyone can do that! Try putting a little more thought into it, Jerome. Your "hate" angle is pathetic at best and tells us all that you've run outta steam on this issue. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 1:41 PM:

" Lodisafeway wrote "But when that passion is driven by nothing but sheer hatred, I'm concerned about the underlying motives behind the opposition..."

It's curious how you are not concerned with the underlying motives of the SWM supporters and their "hate" (your word) for those that oppose a SWM in Lodi. "

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lodisafeway wrote on May 15, 2009 12:21 PM:

" Under normal circumstances I'd rally around anyone who continues to fight the good fight even in the face of certain defeat; such dedication to any cause is precisely what has made our country so great. But when that passion is driven by nothing but sheer hatred, I'm concerned about the underlying motives behind the opposition; that's not healthy for anyone or any community.

There is no empirical data to support the belief that Wal-Mart destroys communities; after all it is only an American corporation. It is how the community as a whole decides to behave that determines its fate. Blaming Wal-Mart for Stockton's reputation is wrongly placed; it is the criminal element that has invaded that city unabated where the blame clearly should rest. Just because prostitutes, drug pushers and other criminals gather on Hammer Lane in the proximity of their Wal-Mart, that cannot possibly be the responsibility of any business conducting business within the confines of the law. That being said, I have yet to be accosted by anyone at our current Wal-Mart; why would I expect that to change when the Supercenter opens across the street? Answer: I don't. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 11:59 AM:

" Caveman - what you describe is true. For certain people to speak out at these CC meetings is certain Death to their business. The contractor's in this area do not give a crap about this city in the way we do. That is to say we would turn down certain options for the sake of our Kids. There are no ethics in business these days and that is what we are fighting. Ethics are out the door for the short term profits. The long term damage can be absorbed by the Taxpayer. What we need to do is eliminate the ones who voted FOR and replace them with those who have experience bringing NEW business to this wonderful (so far) area. We have a remarkable amount of High Tech on the Eastside that could be tapped for help but the City fights with them all constantly. Well, other than the Energy Tax Credits. For example, a consultant has to pay $100/Year to work from their home PLUS a business License. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 11:51 AM:

" Lodian - Observer is likely a contractor. He is mistaken if he thinks he will make any money from SWM. I am a contractor and I had one job for them once where we made OK money. But only once as they shop contracts and reveal bids trying to drive prices to the floor. They have no common business ethics. The goal is to make a buck any way possible. It is because their margin is so low. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 11:00 AM:

" Observer: Is there any business at all that you would object to seeing at the corner of Lower sac and Kettleman? "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 10:58 AM:

" A companies history can tell you a lot. We have the Stockton SWM as an example. We also see Stockton's regret. Is there no lesson learned here? "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 10:57 AM:

" Observer: A business should not cost the town more than they offer. A business should compliment the town, not create filth and expense. A SWM will cost Lodi more on a scale this town has never seen.

Do you think you (your business) will be on a level playing field with a SWM? "

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Observer wrote on May 15, 2009 10:45 AM:

" As a businessperson in Lodi for many, many years all I ever wanted from my government was to be competing on a level playing field. "

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Observer wrote on May 15, 2009 10:43 AM:

" Lodian, you've never answered my following question over the years.....what criteria will you use to determine who is allowed to open a business in Lodi and who is not? How will that be applied fairly and consistently? "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 10:34 AM:

" A SWM is not a good fit for Lodi. Too bad Lodi doesn't see this town as worthy of better growth. Does Lodi have a self-esteem problem? We'll never get a Barnes and Noble or a Trader Joe's so let's accept this SWM?? It's sad that our city leader, and Lodi, cannot work harder for our fair city. Maybe our leaders do not care enough about Lodi? I wonder what they care about exactly. "

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caveman wrote on May 15, 2009 10:28 AM:

" I especially liked how Hitchcock handled Mr. Patrick, “Hitchcock: “did you poll the Chamber Members? Patrick: no, the Board votes on the position. Hitchcock: I know there are developers and realtors on the board, how many retailers are on the board? Patrick: (after much effort to avoid answering) Well, um, in the past we had Lodi Cooks. Hitchcock: How many currently are retailers? Patrick: None. And as a reporter was asking him some questions, I overheard Mr. Patrick say something to the effect of “I don’t want to see that in the paper tomorrow” "

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caveman wrote on May 15, 2009 10:28 AM:

" For those of you that didn’t attend this meeting or watch it on TV, you missed some interesting dialog. Three of our Council members (Hitchcock, Mounce and Hansen) asking probing questions, of both sides. Katzakian sitting quite and looking confused and Johnson with his hands folded staring off into oblivion. At least Larry made an effort guys. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 10:24 AM:

" Cogito: I would like to see my city leaders be more careful and wisely make choices that will allow Lodi to grow healthy, not just grow. This goes beyond buying iceberg and arugula. This is about healthy city growth, family and the kind of town I want to live and raise children. Yes, a dumpy monstrosity with needs that will suck us dry and create an undesirable family atmosphere here is not on my list of good things for this town or my family. "

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Cogito wrote on May 15, 2009 10:11 AM:

" Lodian, so you can feed your family just as cheap somewhere else. Good for you. You just keep on keepin on. As for your disdain for Wal Mart, no one is going to make you shop there, so don't worry. As for anyone who want's to do their shopping at a Super Wal Mart in Lodi, looks like your going to get your wish. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 10:02 AM:

" "I don't want to see (merchants) leave and have a vacant store."

— Stan Finberg, representing Cherokee Plaza, anchored by Big Kmart
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This is definetly a concern, Mr. Finberg. Lodi already has so many empty stores as it is now. How can we possibly invite more of the same? I've wondered why these SWM's don't try and actually do something for a town instead of coming in like a big bully only trying to get what they want. You just don't see these SWM's being opened in exciting buildings in need of a tenant or helping the town in any given area that's needed. Nope, it's not Walmart's style. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 9:57 AM:

" "Virtually every stone has been unturned."

— Developer Darryl Browman about the shopping center proposal

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Wow, what I could do with this statement. LOL! "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 9:56 AM:

" "There's no difference in my mind behind Costco and a Super Wal-Mart. No one is complaining about Costco coming to Lodi."

— Lodi City Councilman Bob Johnson

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I don't think Mr. Johnson does the shopping in his household. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 9:55 AM:

" ......Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Lodisafeway/Jerome Kinderman. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 9:55 AM:

" "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." --George Bush

So, let's preserve those families and create towns and cities that families can enjoy and be proud to be a part of. SWM is not about family, nor do they raise the bar in respect and integrity. Is this dumpy monstrosity what you really want in this town? Would you let your kid ride his bike up to the SWM with his allowance to buy some candy? Would you feel okay about your wife stopping in after dark at the SWM for milk and bread? Are you okay with the whole SWM scene that will consume the southwest corner of town? SWM does not provide a pleasant low cost shopping experience. It provides a low rent dump that we'll have to throw money at to try and keep the gangs, loiterers and undesirables away. And even that won't last long before we just can't do it anymore. SWM counts on the city services to provide what they need while they suck the family life in Lodi away from us. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 9:33 AM:

" Cogito:

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." --George Bush

With that "brilliant" statement in mind I honestly know that one can truly do just as good a job (better!) feeding their family with the prices and quality offered at our local grocery stores as they could at a SWM. That's a fact. I've done it a million times. "

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Lodian wrote on May 15, 2009 9:23 AM:

" Shaggy: Get the hair out of your eyes. If Lodi does not want to become just like Stockton then steps need to be taken to prevent it. Right now it looks like Lodi is NOT trying to prevent from becoming exactly like Stockton. In fact, Lodi is now following right in Stockton's footsteps in allowing a SWM to be built here. Bad move. Note that Stockton now regrets that SWM. Sure wish Lodi could have learned from Stockton's regrets/mistakes instead of doing the same stupid thing Stockton regrets now. What is wrong with this CC? "

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shaggy wrote on May 15, 2009 9:02 AM:

" Someone has written that SWM grocery prices are equal and/or even higher than other stores. Absolutely NOT true. Sure, there are items that might be equal, but MOST are noticeably cheaper and I don't mean just a few cents. I don't go as often as I'd like b/c of the fact it's in Stockton. And when you complain about SWM being crowded, dirty, etc. -what's new? Stockton's Walmart has always been that way. Stockton is not Lodi. "

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Cogito wrote on May 15, 2009 8:49 AM:

" Love it or hate it, looks like the bottom line now is that Lodi WILL have a Super Wal Mart. All you haters better just get used to the idea, cause it's coming. To Quote Gavin Newsome "whether you like it or not". "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 6:43 AM:

" Edumacation you are right - I shop for my Family and you and I are in absolute agreement. Walmart has specials - that is the only time I buy there. You cannot trust Food from a supplier that is always putting downward pressure on supplier's prices. I cite the Spinach Poisonings of last summer as my example. What do these people expect from a company that works on a 3.4% Margin? Beluga Caviar at a discount? "

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jbhiker wrote on May 15, 2009 6:39 AM:

" Trackback - did you not read the report I posted? It was done by the University of Ohio. I rarely believe anything an Economist has to say. That habit is why we had an $800B Bailout. However, there are many College studies and they are unbiased. I simply quoted one. SWM is not a "Deal" by any means. "

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Trackback wrote on May 14, 2009 11:23 PM:

" I am somewhat confused by this so-called "slight-of-hand." Furman obviously is aware of the so-called conflict of interest that may or may not be a part of Global Insight's study. Furthermore, the data from Hausman and Leibtag serves to corroborate the conclusions Global Insight reached. In any case, I hope you'll forgive me if I am more apt to trust the conclusions of well respected economists such as Hausman and Furman over the proclamations of "Truth" by an anonymous poster on the lns website who is unable to factually contradict the data in the study cited. "

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edumacation wrote on May 14, 2009 11:09 PM:

" Lodian: I agree! From these comments it's obvious that many of the posters don't do grocery shopping. I have an accurate knowledge of retail prices on many grocery items. I shop at most Lodi area grocery stores and only buy what is on sale. In my recent trip to SWM, I did not find ONE produce item (partially eaten fruit or not) at a lower price than regular grocery stores. In facty their prices were on the high side and the produce quality for many items was on the commercial low side. Why didn't I buy any produce? The prices were too high! Lets talk about canned and dry goods. Again, I saw no deals. I must confess I didn't check out the prices on 50 pounds bags of dried kidney beans, but I don't buy beans in 1/20 ton lots. I am not feeding an Army---

I have found that some of the so-called higher priced stores have the lowest prices, BUT YOU MUST COMPARE prices. If you want to pay $5.90 for a 10 oz can of tomato soup, it's your choice. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 11:09 PM:

" T & C wrote "Why in the world would ANYONE from Stockton DRIVE to Lodi to shop at Our Wal-Mart Supercenter, when there is already one in Stockton? Thats like you trying to say lodi shoppers will drive to Stockton to shop at the Wal-Mart Supercenter instead of shopping at the Lodi Supercenter!"

T & C: It doesn't surprise me that you are this ignorant about SWM. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 11:05 PM:

" SuzyQ wrote on May 14, 2009 11:02 PM:

" Good Grief T.C! What drug are you on? "


I think he's been eating that Super Walmart food too long. LOL! "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 11:04 PM:

" T & C wrote "The Union backed grocery chains holding Lodi families hostage"

Uh, you're being very dramatic there, T & C. Why such scare tactics? "

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SuzyQ wrote on May 14, 2009 11:02 PM:

" Good Grief T.C! What drug are you on? "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 10:49 PM:

" T & C: Since when does anyone consider Food 4 Less as "High priced groceries"? "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 10:47 PM:

" Geez, T & C, try some decaf. "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:49 PM:

" When will Wal-Mart Super-Center "Haters" get it thru their head, "Stockton is NOT Lodi!" "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:46 PM:

" Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 1:09 PM:

" Anyone that thinks the only difference between the current Walmart and a Super Walmart is the ability to purchase groceries is simply ignorant of what a Super Walmart really is and what it can do to an area/town. "

Keep working the FEAR Angle, we in Lodi who see Lodifirst for who they really are , well, we are just not impressed with your post! The frocery union chains will stay, they will just be forced to be COMPETITIVE and be fair and reasonable with their prices, thats all! Why do Lodifirst supporters hate the concept of FAIR PRICING? "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:41 PM:

" lodi boy wrote on May 14, 2009 11:25 AM:

" NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!

This is an abomination! Greed and gluttony are 2 of the deadly sins and I see this clearly through WalMart's efforts. "



Thank you lodi boy for "REVEALING what the backers of Lodifirst are really up too by filing lawsuit, after lawsuit!

High priced groceries means HIGH profits, excess profits and every lodi families expense because Lacally we do not have a Wal-Mart Supercenter where we can compare both the price and quanity of the exact same product. You are right! We all agree! It's all about greed, but not wal-mart....but rather the big grocery union chains! "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 9:40 PM:

" T&C - I could have said all that with one word but you certainly have taken over and are trying hard to divert attention from this important topic. Did you stop to take a breath? Can you guess what the word I would use is? "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:34 PM:

" Whoa Nellie! wrote on May 14, 2009 9:23 AM:

" I feel sorry for the business owners in the current center. It's a death sentence."



Oh PLEASE STOP with the Paranoia and SCARE TACTICS! K-Mart could move in, JC Pennys could relocate, a dozen shall mall like shops can go in their, they can bull doze the building and build small shops all along that strip. Immigration could make that an "ICE" processing center... the possibilities are limited only by ones imagination, not NARROW MINDEDNESS!

This step by the City Council MEANS ABSOLUTELY nothing so give it a rest! Lodifirst will fight for years with EVERY lawsuit Obstacle they can use to help the Union Grocery Chains keep Competition out and Prices HIGH! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:27 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on May 14, 2009 8:35 AM:

" Not realy sure how a brand new shopping center at that corner is going to increase blight, crime, and decay.

Many, Many new smaller stores will open in the same shopping center. Businesses that "Also obtain sales" from the bigger stores, become profitable too! Its a win-win situation "One Day for Lodi, but my friends, "Lodi First" will tie up and stall ground breaking for years to come!

Why you ask? What is their real motive?

That's simple!

Stalling EQUALS continued PROFIT from higher priced groceries then need to be! Its all about PROFIT by those behind Lodifirst!

Oh by the way, Every dollar spent to FIGHT Wal-Mart Supercenter is a "Tax Deduction" so the grocery Union Chains get their "Cake and they eat it too"! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:22 PM:

" Observer, of course, Lodi First won't even reveal who their members are!

We ALL know who they are! They are not deceiving anyone! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:20 PM:

" jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:37 AM:

" MJP, Stockton barely leads Compton in being the highest crime area in the state. Compton is #1 and Stockton is #4. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. And that area you refer to is fairly new. Let's give it a few years. Plus - Stockton is the 13th largest city in California. Do you really want the people of North Stockton coming here to shop?


I can't believe you are ranting this way jbhiker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why in the world would ANYONE from Stockton DRIVE to Lodi to shop at Our Wal-Mart Supercenter, when there is already one in Stockton? Thats like you trying to say lodi shoppers will drive to Stockton to shop at the Wal-Mart Supercenter instead of shopping at the Lodi Supercenter!

Please stay focused! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:17 PM:

" jbhiker and Lodifirst backers will STOP AT NOTHING to smokescreen the benefits Wal-Mart Supercenter will bring to Lodi one day! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:16 PM:

" jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:12 AM:

" Here is a thoughtful study of the effect of a Walmart in a small community by students at Ohio State University. Clearly there are winners and losers. But when you see all the other businesses fail, you will all understand what I am concerned with. If it comes to town, I predict the failure of the Lowes Shopping center....


Oh I JUST LOVE your SCARE Tactics! The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling is what you will say next if and when Wal-Mart Supercenter one day breaks ground. None of the stores you mentioned will close their doors, but that you for giving all of us bloggers a good laugh! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:13 PM:

" jbhiker, Gold is HIGHER PRICED groceries we in Lodi are forced to buy because we do not have a major grocery store to find COMPETITIVE reasonable prices. Everyone in America is struggling to make ends meet! Give it a rest. Why don't you settle for the high priced grocery chains and let the rest of us shop where we get more value for our $$$$? "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:10 PM:

" You have it backwards jbhiker! You meant to say Farewell to jbhiker!JOBS [lus Competitive/FAIR pricing is what we all need in Lodi! Oh by the way jbhiker... "Wake up!" Gangs are here now! The east side is Lodi's Blight! Wake up! "

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T & C wrote on May 14, 2009 9:08 PM:

" The ONLY difference between the Wal-Mart and The Supercenter is a GROCERY SECTION which LODI FIRST aka The Union backed grocery chains holding Lodi families hostage with high priced monopoly of groceries opposes!

To all Lodifirst supporters:

"Lower your prices and be competitive and you have nothing to fear from Wal-Mart Supercenter!


"You are afraid of Empty stores!" OH WHAT A CROCK! Is that the best you can come up with? Always using fear to keep your profit margin HIGH for those Union waged Grocery Union Chains!

Sadly they will appeal and sue and fight even after ground is broken one day! "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 8:42 PM:

" More proof that Globalization and cheaper prices is BAD:
"With frozen foods, burden of safety is on you. Processed food firms increasingly unable to ensure items are pathogen-free"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/15ingredients.html?_r=1&hpn

Read it and Weep all you Wal-Mart Lovers! "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 8:33 PM:

" TrackBack - Ahhhh, the "slight of hand" has tricked yet another. I quote:
"Although the Hausman-Leibtag study is suggestive of the potentially huge impact of Wal-Mart, it only considers food prices, does not sum up the benefits for the country as a whole,
and includes the impact of superstores other than Wal-Mart. Global Insight was hired by Wal-Mart to quantify the national benefits of Wal-Mart’s low prices"
(by me:) Global Insight and Hausman are quoted throughout the report. (/BY ME).
The report goes on: "Although Global Insight is a highly respected economic consulting firm and the study was reviewed by several independent economists, its results should still be taken cautiously both because they have not undergone intensive peer review and for some technical reasons."
I can tell you one Technical Reason is because the report only serves Wal-Mart. The Truth has refuted the report and is seen in dozens of other, more objective and peer-reviewed reports. Hornswaggled again TrackBack - bring on your next example. "

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LodiEye wrote on May 14, 2009 7:35 PM:

" Sorry Dogs4you, I type too fast sometimes and letters don't make it in. What I am worried about is the loss of prime ag. land to houses and strip malls that we can't lease completely. Developers turn a blind eye to the loss of ag land. We need to draw the line somewhere. To be honest, I could care less if a SWM is built or not. I would like to know what the city has in mind for the old WM location. Might I suggest a bowling alley? Come on developers, the city could really use one, don't you think? "

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Robb wrote on May 14, 2009 6:07 PM:

" It is about time.... "

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RaiderHater wrote on May 14, 2009 5:30 PM:

" It will take YEARS for this place to get off the ground and get built. "

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Trackback wrote on May 14, 2009 4:53 PM:

" jbhiker
1. The report wasn't mine, it was written by J. Furman, a well respected economist who was not commissioned by Wal-Mart. I could go on about a whole lot of studies comissioned by Wal-Mart, or those who oppose Wal-Mart, but that's irrelevant. What is important is the quality of the study itself.
2. Okay, sure. Although I don't see why globalization is necessarily a bad thing.
3. Possibly, although again, that is not necessarily a bad thing. Furthermore, they might even be from Lodi in the first place, and so their attraction here would be a moot point.
4. Yes they are somewhat, but the reasons and effects of this are much more nuanced then your brief comment would imply. I'll let the study speak for itself on this. "

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Trackback wrote on May 14, 2009 4:30 PM:

" Well if everyone is pretend shopping, and stealing food as some people allege (I myself have never observed this behavior in any SWM), then clearly there will be nothing to fear, because it would be horrible for business if Wal-Mart were to build a store where no one would pay for anything. Incidentally, every time I have gone to Wal-Mart, it has been to actually purchase something. I tend to do my socializing, in the much more upscale Sherwood Mall, where of course we all know there are absolutely no gang members. Something tells me there wouldn't be a lot of opposition to the building of a mall however... "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 4:25 PM:

" Trackback: I read your report. Here is mine;
1. Walmart commissioned the report
2. It does not address the issue of Food Safety which has decreased and Globalization which has increased as a result of driving down prices.
3. By the report, low wage earners and the unskilled are going to be attracted to the job - and by default - to Lodi.
4. Walmart Health Benefits are below the national average - Hmmmm! Could this be why Lodi Memorial is raising money feverishly?
I could go on - was this your intent? "

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edumacation wrote on May 14, 2009 4:23 PM:

" Lodian: Mr Bob thinks this way. retail store, check. Big box store, check. But there is a huge difference. First you actually have to spend money to buy a membership! Thats a HUGE difference. All the people inside the air-conditioned Super Walmart just hanging out "socializing". I saw women in that store who would be arrested outside on the street for wearing their hoochie clothes. Only one mile away is the Stockton prostitute stroll. Guess what? Now I know where the street "sex workers" buy their clothing! They sell it at Super Walmart. Right next to the gangbanger bandana section and one row away from the "Do-rag" department.

I admit I did have to make a hasty retreat and shower. Bring along plenty of Purel hand disinfectant and Don't Touch Anything! One SuperWally clerk I spoke to told me that the other SuperWalmart had lower prices, and that this was mainly a social activity for the locals who had no where to go. People at this level need to feel important, so they pretend-shop and parade around in their slippers and pajamas. "

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dogs4you wrote on May 14, 2009 4:06 PM:

" Sorry Lodieye I messed up on my spelling, it`s Sergeant "

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dogs4you wrote on May 14, 2009 3:59 PM:

" LodiEye, this will really frost your inards, concerning ripping out vineyards, if the economy were in better shape, you could kiss the vineyards behind Railey`s and that piece of land that front`s Sargent Rd and the Woodbridge Canal good-bye. Since there is no need to build at the present time the grapes will stay. Sooner or later a two story will stand where once a proud vineyard produced grapes. Come to think of it, isn`t there enough vineyards in the area already, wouldn`t want a glut now, would we. That piece of land where SWM might be built, was that vineyard AD or BC? And vineyard does have an "e" in the middle, according to Funk and Wagnall "

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Nell wrote on May 14, 2009 3:58 PM:

" How many more times are they going to have to vote to get things moving? This peice of land might be "prime real estate", but I haven't seen anything done with it in years. A SWM is not going to destroy our town, unless the citizens let it. I know I will still shop the other stores, but it will be convenient and costeffective to get all I can for a low price at one place. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 3:39 PM:

" **check them out. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 3:38 PM:

" Bob Johnson wrote "There's no difference in my mind behind Costco and a Super Wal-Mart. No one is complaining about Costco coming to Lodi."

Really, Mr. Johnson? You really can't tell the difference between a SWM and a Costco? Good grief, get out there and check them. How about this... go to the Stockton SWM and then go to the Costco down the street in the same day. Then let us know what you think. NIGHT & DAY! I promise you, if you are being objective, that you WILL see a difference... a BIG difference. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 3:33 PM:

" edumacation: These kinds of people track into SWM because they can... SWM allows it. Their level of expectation out of their customers (and employees) is very low, therefore these people thrive at SWM. They hang out and make a spectacle of themselves inside and outside the store as well. Shopping at SWM is a very nasty experience, unfortunately. And this is what some Lodians want in this town? They don't know what they've done in allowing this SWM. Lodisafeway can call people of opposing views hateful all he likes. I suspect it makes him feel better about his position when he demeans and belittles the opposition. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 3:25 PM:

" edumacation: Your experience is typical of most that are objective during a SWM visit. "

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edumacation wrote on May 14, 2009 3:23 PM:

" continued: I observed a woman open a bottle of pickles and she started eating right out of the jar! I asked her about it, and she said "everyone knows its okay". But are your hands clean poking around in jars of food? Yecch! I asked a store clerk about it and she replied that "This is Stockton...what do you expect?" In my town they are kicked out of the store. I looked around and noticed that many shoppers were adorned in tattoos and some looked like they had just come off a garbage barge---they smelled the same.

I am not impressed by the behavior of the gentry I saw pretending to shop at the Stockton SuperWalmart. The checkout lines were short---but the store was packed with "shoppers'. Maybe it was "feeding time"...grunt grunt. I was not impressed with the management and lack thereof or the store clerical staff. It reminded me of TV images of a food bank. People were grazing, but few were buying. I hope we don't attract the same malcontents to our city. House prices will drop even more as the city declines. "

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edumacation wrote on May 14, 2009 3:16 PM:

" I am trying to objectively figure out why there are problems with another SuperWalmart, this one located here in Lodi.


I decided to take my second trip to Stockton to see what the big deal was all about. I brought my shopping list and guess what? I could not find very many items that had lower prices. I did find a large display of bandanas. The same ones sold to gangbangers. The sales were brisk to mainly young adult males with pants hanging around their knees. I don't know if they actually paid for them. Hhhm?

I observed no low prices in the produce department (none lower than in regular grocery stores in Lodi). Many sale items weres actually higher than expected. What is the big deal? I found a few items that I didn't need, but they were low priced houswares, and wanted to be fair on my trip. What did I observe. Numerous people earting the produce as they shopped. I think this is illegal, in addition to being theft. They were ignored by the clerks. "

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Trackback wrote on May 14, 2009 3:06 PM:

" For those who might be interested:
http://www.americanprogress.org/kf/walmart_progressive.pdf "

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dogs4you wrote on May 14, 2009 2:57 PM:

" This is a little off the subject, a neighbor bought a new car from Chase in Stockton, I asked him why not buy the same model from Sanborn as they were the same price and the sales tax would stay in Lodi, and in the long run it`s cheaper since Stockton`s sales tax is a 1/4 of a percent higher, and no need to drive to Stockton for service. Were not speaking anymore, and he`s a moron.

Lodi first RIP, along with all the others that will fight SWM again and again. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 1:17 PM:

" lodisafeway: Maybe you don't understand why Lodians do not care to have a SWM in town because you do not care much about the wise healthy growth of our town. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 1:10 PM:

" ordinarycitizen: Good points @ 10:37 AM. I agree. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 1:09 PM:

" Anyone that thinks the only difference between the current Walmart and a Super Walmart is the ability to purchase groceries is simply ignorant of what a Super Walmart really is and what it can do to an area/town. "

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LodiEye wrote on May 14, 2009 12:59 PM:

" Do you see the irony here? The City Council passed an approval for the SWM on the same week that we are holding the Zinfest, a celebration of our designated wine region. Although the parcel is bare land at the moment, it used to be grape vinyards. When will we understand that ripping out the vinyards goes against what we are trying to establish: A premier wine growing region.

I agree with Whoe nellie that the number of jobs promised sounds good on paper but remember, when this store goes in, you might see the Food For Less close, Safeway?, Raleys? Those stores have exsisting jobs that might be lost. It won't be that large of a gain. Sounds like the "ayeamigos" need to do some soul searching. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 12:55 PM:

" PAL - I like your way of thinking. Let's get rid of Walmart totally! There are numerous benefits to that. But seriously - take some time and do some reading if you want to understand my comments. Then we can debate properly. "

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WingIt wrote on May 14, 2009 12:31 PM:

" This helps explain how Walmart operates.

http://www.alternet.org/story/12962 "

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PAL wrote on May 14, 2009 12:30 PM:

" LOL...where my kids can grow up to be kids...dont you mean where my kids can grow up to be gang members.
Lodi is not any better than Stockton or any other city. In the eastside it is probably worse than most cities.
Anyway, people who shop at Safeway and S-Mart dont do it for their "low prices" as they dont have any. They do it because they like the service or the store, etc. Why would a SWM put Lowes out of business, it already has some hardware stuff, its only adding groceries.
If I was Walmart I would close down the store they have now and advise Lodi when you are ready for our supercenter just let us know and we will open one. "

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mp wrote on May 14, 2009 12:03 PM:

" These numbers only tell the sales tax story and not the added expenditures of Police and city services, which cannot be discounted.
As I stated last night I do not fear the closure of the stores I enjoy frequenting in Lodi, but I do fear the loss of jobs in some of these businesses. Most retail outlets allow their employees to earn a fair wage and receive benefits. Wal Mart pays low wages and lets some of their new employees go as they get close to qualification for health care. A friend of my mother-in-law had this happen to him a couple of months ago.
So what are we saying to the residents of Lodi who, no doubt, will be affected by this project? Are we suppose to say, it's OK take less money and no health insurance and go to work at the shiny new super center? I thought Lodi was better than that. I had hoped that some of the council would look at all sides of the story and not jump at the flashy numbers Wal Mart was throwing out there. "

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mp wrote on May 14, 2009 12:02 PM:

" Susan and Joanne,
I would like to take this time for your position on the Wal Mart Super center project. I respect you for taking a stand and not taking the easy way out by blindly voting for the project.
I am taken back by all the misinformation and lack of research some of the council has done before approving this project. If you look at Lodi's own website you can see what "extra" sales tax came to the city. These numbers assume that Wal Mart was the only new business to open in Lodi from 1993 forward, which we know is not true. From 1992 to 1993 (the year Mal Mart opened) there was an increase in sales tax revenue of $176,000, from 1993 to 1994 there was an increase of $90,000, from 1994 to 1995 there was an increase of $230,000 and from 1995 to 1996 there was an increase of $110,000. As I stated earlier these numbers need to be looked at understanding that Wal Mart was not solely responsible for this increase. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 11:56 AM:

" Lynn - look at Cherokee now. Would you dispute the degradation of this are has taken place? Did Rancho San Miguel help anyone? I can tell you crime has increased in that area. Is there a correlation? Still, the Rancho San Miguel is a balanced approach to growth.
LodiSafeway - the difference is in the pocketbook. It is astounding how many people feel like you do when there is so much evidence to the contrary. It is as if you are all hooked - much like Cigarette smokers. "

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lynn wrote on May 14, 2009 11:29 AM:

" Can someone please tell me where Lodi First was when Rancho San Miguel was in the planning stage? What about the existing little mom and pop stores on Cherokee Lane, the existing laundromats and the existing gas stations? Lodi First or the citizens of Lodi did not care if they closed down or faced increased competition. Now we have Food 4 Less, who is a part of Rancho San Miguel, fighting against competition. This all boils down to hypocrisy. I (Food 4 Less) can do it to you (existing businesses), but you (Super Walmart) can't do it to me (Food 4 Less). "

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lodi boy wrote on May 14, 2009 11:25 AM:

" What next??? The right wing's acceptance of rap music and birth control? "

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lodi boy wrote on May 14, 2009 11:25 AM:

" NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!

This is an abomination! Greed and gluttony are 2 of the deadly sins and I see this clearly through WalMart's efforts. "

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stucknlodi wrote on May 14, 2009 11:21 AM:

" Maybe when the Super Wal-Mart finally starts construction, we will finally see the members of this so called party called Lodi First forming a human chain along the property to try and stop the bull dozers from moving in. Then their faces will be revealed. I say Pave it and Build it! "

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lodisafeway wrote on May 14, 2009 11:03 AM:

" ordinarycitizen states, "A SWM is not the savior of Lodi." You're absolutely correct; and I don't know of anyone who has suggested that it is. But likewise, Wal-Mart is not satan either. But to hear many tell it on this forum, Lodi's demise will be as a direct result of Wal-Mart's expansion.

You also refer to the prime agricultural real estate that will be lost. Where? I cannot remember when any crop has been planted and/or harvested on that parcel of land at the southwest corner of Kettleman Lane and Lower Sacramento Road. But correct me if I'm wrong (which I don't believe I am), doesn't Wal-Mart actually own that land? I think I heard that somewhere. Are you suggesting that they should not be permitted to do what they wish with it? I would find it incredible to insist that a company that builds stores should be forced to go into the agriculture business.

As for the views of Diablo or anything else, this is the first I've heard of this angle. Clearly there have been other structures erected that have interfered with the view; is this really a reason to deny Wal-Mart? "

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lodisafeway wrote on May 14, 2009 10:53 AM:

" As this matter has made its way through its necessary channels, I've been curious as to what drives people to agree or disagree with Wal-Mart's desire to expand. For those who simply don't want it, that's fine. Those who don't like Wal-Mart are not required to shop there. Simply go to the store of your choice; by doing so you will support those stores that others fear will be obliterated as a result of the Supercenter.

My curiosity is piqued, however when anyone suggests that as a result of the expansion of one store they very well might pull up stakes and move. While no one should either suggest that anyone do such a thing or insist that they not is not the issue. I only wonder why. I can come up with only two viable conclusions: either their roots aren't too deep or something very bad has happened to them that relates directly to the store. Clearly, it's none of my business; but to vilify those who DO desire the expansion of this company (for their own reasons) isn't fair nor is it appropriate; as is to hurl aspersions upon those opposed equally unfair and inappropriate. "

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nonimac wrote on May 14, 2009 10:49 AM:

" This is not the last we will hear of this. How many times has this been approved, then shot down again? The magority in Lodi want this! Stop letting our tax dollars go to Stockton and let Lodi have some retail stores. "

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Observer wrote on May 14, 2009 10:42 AM:

" Lodian, as you have admitted previously, you are not a member of Lodi First. Although I disagree with you on this issue you have been upfront and consistent on your opinion. Lodi First has NOT! "

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ordinarycitizen wrote on May 14, 2009 10:37 AM:

" First of all, I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for our mayor. The passing of the SWM is a huge mistake for many reasons. First of all, we have way too many empty strip malls and shopping centers vacant here in Lodi as it is. I have made this comparison several times. Hanford is an agricultural community much the same size as Lodi in demographics, etc. They had a SWM built approx 4/5 yrs ago now with the promise the old one would be filled with retail. The old WM still sits vacant. Yes, Stockton has a coat factory, however, Stoctkon is a huge city. Lodi should be kept as a 'small town' feel, with wise growth. To see a SWM at that corner will be so disappointing to say the least. There goes the beautiful views of Mt. Diablo and beautiful sunsets when dining outdoors at Panera Bread. And the destruction of prime agriculteral real estate. A SWM is not the savior of Lodi. We have great stores here already. What we truly need is wise city council members who will think long term instead of what's in it for them - like future votes. "

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shaggy55 wrote on May 14, 2009 10:35 AM:

" Good grief ....SWM isn't going to put Lowes, etc, out of business! It's just adding groceries, like 'lodi safeway' said. And as far as taking the business away from other grocers - that certainly didn't happen when Food4Less arrived. People shop where they want to shop, period. "

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lodisafeway wrote on May 14, 2009 10:05 AM:

" jbhiker - actually I think for myself. But I wonder just what a six-figure salary has to do with anything? Are you one of those who believe corporate executive's salaries should be regulated? I don't understand your point in this regard.
As for Bodega Bay; never been there, although I've heard it is very nice. Yet, you aren't attempting to compare Lodi with such a community, are you? Lodi, as nice as it is, is not any more unique than dozens of other Central Valley communities. As I've stated before, I doubt there are many folks who wake up on a bright and sunny weekend morning and decide to visit Lodi. They might pass through on their way to the Gold Country, but as a distinctive destination spot? Nope.

Finally, you're against a Supercenter. Well, along with the actual square footage increase, the only difference between the current Wal-Mart here will be the ability to purchase groceries. Is this what concerns you? Why? If other grocery stores are unable to compete, they'll have to adjust or move along, just like House of Coffees did with Starbucks just across the street from it. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 10:04 AM:

" There is one problem in Manteca - that is the traffic - try driving up Main Street between Yosemite and the lights at Walmart and you will see the same thing on Kettleman and Lower Sac. Angry drivers, pollution and an ever expanding, degrading community. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 9:59 AM:

" Observer - I think they are. When groups of people get together under a common cause, and especially when there is a lawyer present, regular people get suspicious. Whatever they do may or may not be right, but the facts about Walmart are undisputable. Study after Study has proven it. It is all about the type of community you want your kids to grow up in. If SWM was just off I-5, no problemo from me. Seems to me it is a better choice anyway. Why it needs to be here in town is anyones guess. Why it needs to be exactly 12 minutes from the Stockton SWM is another question I have. Manteca went through this and moved it to the Highway in an area that was able to deal with the Big Box mentality. Manteca is doing just fine! Lodi has no such planning. Study the thought process in Ceres if you want to see how they came to reject it. Those people showed a tremendous amount of courage and common sense against the corporate mega-giant. They are doing just fine as well! "

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lodidian wrote on May 14, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Lodian---

I promise you Wal*Mart never gave $1900 worth of "chum" to anyone. According the the Lodi News Sentinel, a Food 4 Less executive gave Mrs. Phil Katzakian (wife of our newest city councilman) high value basketball tickets. Talk about conflict of interest. "

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Whoa Nellie! wrote on May 14, 2009 9:23 AM:

" First, the fact that the 3 ayemigos passed this should be no shock.

I won't buy groceries there. And currently I only go to WM for photo printing.

If Lodi First does file another lawsuit it will be a sad day for Lodi. Just more wasted money on everyones part. And the only ones to benefit are the evil lawyers.

I read a friends daughters LHS Senior Project on Tuesday. Her topic was on Big Box stores coming to town and it's affect on small businesses. It should have been mandatory reading for the CC. She found one study that cited Walmarts low wages as an actual tax drain on the local taxpayer because a majority of the employees then qualify for food stamps and other social services. Another study reviewed the employment figures and said there is not an increase in jobs. The added jobs from a big box store replaces the jobs lost for the local stores who have to layoff workers to cut expenses, or close their doors entirely.

I feel sorry for the business owners in the current center. It's a death sentence. "

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Cogito wrote on May 14, 2009 9:09 AM:

" Lodi First is now going to file a lawsuit to stop the construction of the SWM, count on it. When they're closing parks because Lodi's out of money, remember why they were forced to spend funds elsewhere. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 9:05 AM:

" jbhiker: You make great points. I am thankful that my kids will be grown by the time this SWM is built. As for my grandchildren as well as our retirement, we may be looking elsewhere. Very sad. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 9:03 AM:

" Observer wrote on May 14, 2009 8:18 AM:

" My biggest problem with the opposition to Walmart is that it is so dishonest. Conflicts of interests, environmental issues, illegal votes, etc."

Observer: I am not any of what you describe and I oppose the SWM as a bad choice for smart healthy growth in Lodi. "

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Lodian wrote on May 14, 2009 9:01 AM:

" Well, this is a sad day for Lodi. "

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Observer wrote on May 14, 2009 8:58 AM:

" jb...I appreciate and respect your honest opinion. My disagreement has more to do with fairness, competition, free enterprise, etc. (I've previously expressed my opinion on this subject and not going into it again) I just have a real problem when the opposition is disingenuous and so secret. Why can't Lodi First be honest with the public. You are....why can't they? "

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JustTheFacts wrote on May 14, 2009 8:49 AM:

" For those who fear that this Wal-Mart project will bring the "un-educated", from my review of these blogs over the past year or so, it appears that they've been here all along. Call it the "not-so-silent minority". "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 8:43 AM:

" AcampoMom - you have a brain and you are using it. You are a credit to your community. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 8:41 AM:

" 4AStrongLodi said "Plain logic and many exammples...". I challenge you to show me that. I have cited examples of the opposite - can you back up your comment? "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on May 14, 2009 8:40 AM:

" jbhiker: I'm neither for or against the Super Wal-Mart. I was just curious... "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 8:40 AM:

" Observer: I am not a part of Lodi First nor any other organization. I am just a person who wants to see Lodi reach its fullest potential without hurting our kids or our farmers. But I can see it is a losing battle when so many people equate progress with this large retail operation. I am for a good living and a better community. I just do not trust this group making this decision. 10 years from now, you may understand my point. Just look at what is happening in Stockton and other communities such as Modesto and Fresno. It is all part of trend backed up by this "me now" attitude. The long term quality of a community should hold more weight in our decisions about its future and our kids futures. "

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4AStrongLodi wrote on May 14, 2009 8:35 AM:

" Not realy sure how a brand new shopping center at that corner is going to increase blight, crime, and decay.

Plain logic and many exammples show it would do the oppopsite. Somebody should tell Mounce to quit opening her mouth. As Lincoln once said, "It is better to be silent and thought an idiot, than to speak and remove all doubt." "

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4AStrongLodi wrote on May 14, 2009 8:31 AM:

" Yeah!!! Progress! Now, Lodi First is going to waste our tax dollars by trying to tie this thing up in court.

Can we please not re-elect Hitchcock and Mounce???

They have no consistency to their voting, they are killing this City, and they have no clue about how to help keep Lodi economically healthy. "

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Observer wrote on May 14, 2009 8:18 AM:

" My biggest problem with the opposition to Walmart is that it is so dishonest. Conflicts of interests, environmental issues, illegal votes, etc. Lodi First won't even reveal who their members are. Just come out and say they are grocer union members who are concerned about losing their jobs. Although I don't agree with it I think it is a legitimate argument. I'm also disappointed that Mounce was a supporter of this project until such time Food for Less made a significant contribution to her campaign fund. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:46 AM:

" Acampo Mom: Exactly my point. Remember that when you consider all that extra revenue that is coming to Lodi. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:44 AM:

" LodiSafeway: You are not a long term thinker are you? Did you know many similar agricultural communities in California have raised their standard of living without Super Walmart? They use a Vineyards-centric thought process. Your type of thinking is why you go to Bodega Bay for vacation. I am not against Walmart, it is the SUPER-Walmart that is the problem. Its ok. I am just one voice, but I have seen it up close and personal. That "successful" Walmart company you praise has many people working (with 6-Figure incomes) to make sure you think that way. Good luck to you. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on May 14, 2009 7:40 AM:

" jbhiker...I have to ask:

Why would people in North Stockton come to Lodi to shop when they have a Wal-Mart Super center in North Stockton? "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:37 AM:

" MJP, Stockton barely leads Compton in being the highest crime area in the state. Compton is #1 and Stockton is #4. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. And that area you refer to is fairly new. Let's give it a few years. Plus - Stockton is the 13th largest city in California. Do you really want the people of North Stockton coming here to shop? Here is a link for you: http://www.spotcrime.com/ca/stockton
Just have a look at Charter Way. It was once like Hammer Lane. Then comes KMart. "

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lodisafeway wrote on May 14, 2009 7:32 AM:

" jbhiker- groceries are going to "...bring [you] blight, gangs, the un-educated, the greedy and now, the main attraction for them all?" That's a tad over-the-top, don't you think? We've had Wal-Mart in Lodi since the early nineties. The expansion will suddenly force you to leave; or are you suggesting that the current Lodi we all know and love will cease to exist simply because a Supercenter will be built on the west side? Well, if it's the former, then I say good luck to you wherever you decide to raise your "kids as kids." If the latter, one has to believe that Lodi is indeed unique, but as I've discussed on numerous occasions regarding this very issue our city isn't all that special, at least not to the extent so many would have us believe.

Wal-Mart is a successful American company. They employee thousands of people throughout the nation and they provide communities with myriad opportunities through their charitable largesse and other positive programs. Is Wal-Mart perfect? Of course not, but it is not the corporate evil empire that has been portrayed by those who hate it so much. Welcome Supercenter! "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:28 AM:

" Sorry about the previous link. Here is the correct link:
www.uwex.edu/CES/CCED/downtowns/ltb/documents/DE0807.pdf "

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mjp wrote on May 14, 2009 7:23 AM:

" Well this is definitely the right choice. I just think that with a recession, shoppers need to be offered the lower price alternative. Now, I don't shop at WalMart a lot, but I just can't see letting this one get away. I work in Stockton and pass the WalMart Super store everyday. There is no blight in that area, the old store is now a Burlington Coat Factory. Surely if Stockton can do it, so can Lodi. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 7:12 AM:

" Here is a thoughtful study of the effect of a Walmart in a small community by students at Ohio State University. Clearly there are winners and losers. But when you see all the other businesses fail, you will all understand what I am concerned with. If it comes to town, I predict the failure of the Lowes Shopping center, S-Mart on Kettleman, Food4Less shopping center, Safeway and Target Center and downtown will continue to spiral into decline. In return, you may get your cokes cheaper but your wages will decline and all the new revenue will be offset by added services such as police, fire and city service employees (straight out of your pockets). Pressure on the community will make it a nightmare for your kids, if it already isn't. We are not a large enough community for this type of pressure. You will see, as so many of us from the south have seen. Are you sure you want to take a chance? 866 new (low wage) jobs and 1866 jobs lost. Here is the link: http://extension.osu.edu/~news/story.php?id=3515 "

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warrenb1973 wrote on May 14, 2009 6:53 AM:

" The council members look really pissed off!!ha ha ha dont worry its far from being built.... "

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kidsalami wrote on May 14, 2009 6:43 AM:

" KenH: Mounce lives on the Eastside.
Efa: It's actually been 7 years.
I don't see what the issue is, poor Lodi is stuck in the 1980s with their shopping offerings. I'll keep driving my tax dollars to Stockton because it's going to be another 7 years tied up in court. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 6:40 AM:

" Ken, if you want your community to continue down the path it is on, then there is nothing I can do to stop it other than speaking out at the City Council meetings. I cannot make you understand the difference between Gold and Scrap Metal. In your eyes, both are worth money but the latter is easier to get. You have a choice; you can stand for quality or you can stand for less. But I can assure you, less will not attract more. "

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KenH wrote on May 14, 2009 6:06 AM:

" jbhiker, please explain how Wal-Mart (one with a super market embedded into it) will bring blight, gangs, the un-educated, to Lodi? All its doing is bringing forward more choices on where to shop for people.

Sometimes I prefer shopping at store C over stores A and B, there may be times that I shop at store D, it doesn't mean I won't shop at stores A and B, but stores C and D help keep the prices competitive. Major chain retails stores will be able to compete with Super Wal-Mart.

If the stores in Downtown want to remain in competition, they need to have a competitive attitude instead and bring up their game, which includes expanding hours until 9PM on the weekdays and possible until 11PM on the weekends. Just adjusting the hours, will stimulate people to come back to downtown to do shopping. "

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effa56 wrote on May 14, 2009 6:04 AM:

" TAX DOLLARS$$$$$$$ for lodi and 100's of new jobs. these stores are like magnets for people travling. i think this is a win win for lodi. it is about time just think of the taxes lodi lost in the past 4 plus yeas fighting this projest. "

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jbhiker wrote on May 14, 2009 5:54 AM:

" Farewell Lodi! I thought you wanted to keep the quality of life a notch above the rest. I thought this was going to be a place where my kids could grow up as kids. Instead you bring me blight, gangs, the un-educated, the greedy and now, the main attraction for them all. "

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motoracn116 wrote on May 14, 2009 5:05 AM:

" Finally! I'm tired of driving to the Super Wal-Mart in Stockton...now i can spend my money in my community instead of a different one. "

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KenH wrote on May 14, 2009 4:50 AM:

" o.O Does Mounce not see the East side of Lodi, the blight and urban decay it brings to the city's image? How can she judge that one store, one store can bring said issues to the city.

Oh well, time to do with my former business instructor taught me to do, its time to follow the money, to see where Mounce and Hitchcock's allegiances are to in this town. "

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