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You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it
Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for witho
t receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is about the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it, and you cannot buy your way out of a recession. These words are from the late Dr. Adrian Rogers — 1931 to 2005
Ed Walter
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danielh wrote on May 4, 2009 4:32 PM:
From where does come their pay? "
Dyan wrote on May 2, 2009 1:55 PM:
Leonard wrote on May 2, 2009 12:36 PM:
" Let's redistribute wealth.
We already have been for years, just in the other direction.
Redistribution of wealth was what the Bush Administration was all about.
Oddly, I didn't hear you complaining back then. "
Lodian wrote on May 2, 2009 11:15 AM:
dyan wrote on May 2, 2009 9:53 AM:
Giovanina wrote on May 1, 2009 11:25 PM:
" Sorry, the Brian post I meant to paste in here was the following:
onelastthing wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:22 PM:
" IMPORTANT PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
The term "Ni#&er Rigged" is no longer acceptable. Effective immediately it will now be referred to as a "Presidential Solution".
Thank You "
Dealing with racist filth makes me pretty angry and sometimes throws me off my game.
You must feel terrible when you go down to the hood and hear the Blacks calling themselves that word....I just don't understand are Blacks racist towards themselves for doing it? "
Giovanina wrote on May 1, 2009 11:20 PM:
" Typical.
J can't dispute my statement so he attacks me instead.
I thought my characterization of Palin was both generous and kind, given the woman's character.
We live in a partisan world, a world in which posters on these blogs call our President unprintable racist expletives with J's tacit approval. Mr. K's hypocrisy when it comes to these matters just serves to further discredit his position"
He never practices what he preaches to everyone else. And it never stops either. LOL "
Leonard wrote on May 1, 2009 11:23 AM:
Ed, aka dogs, assumes half the country is rich and half the country is poor; that half the country is earning and half the country is not. The math is way off. 90% of America's wealth is held by less than 5% of the population.
What's more, this situation has been exacerbated by years of Government programs that sought to redistribute wealth from the middle class to the top 5 percent. "
Bob Loblaw wrote on May 1, 2009 11:19 AM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on May 1, 2009 11:13 AM:
As a combat proctologist (retired) I am used to that sort of thing. "
Cogito wrote on May 1, 2009 10:06 AM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on May 1, 2009 10:02 AM:
A rose, if it were resting on an enormous pile of feces, would it not smell as sweet? "
Cogito wrote on May 1, 2009 9:41 AM:
Cogito wrote on May 1, 2009 9:40 AM:
Leonard wrote on May 1, 2009 8:33 AM:
" Leonard, don't hurt yourself. I was only using Sanger and her fan Hillary for comparative analogy
No worries Cog. It would have been a GREAT analogy if you had been speaking to Hillary supporters.
Good effort! "
Leonard wrote on May 1, 2009 8:32 AM:
onelastthing wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:22 PM:
" IMPORTANT PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
The term "Ni#&er Rigged" is no longer acceptable. Effective immediately it will now be referred to as a "Presidential Solution".
Thank You "
Dealing with racist filth makes me pretty angry and sometimes throws me off my game. "
Leonard wrote on May 1, 2009 8:31 AM:
" Oh Leonard, you're just being silly now. "If" what you say is true that Obama has been the victim of such attacks (which I concede only to the extent of the radical right, which I do not support)
It is a little late for you to claim ignorance on this one.
I think we all remember the following post by Brian
lodisafeway wrote on May 1, 2009 7:50 AM:
" Oh Leonard, you're just being silly now. "If" what you say is true that Obama has been the victim of such attacks (which I concede only to the extent of the radical right, which I do not support)
To their credit, Cogito, Gator and most of the other conservatives on these blogs were very quick to condemn this use of one of the most offensive terms in the English language. You ALONE, continued to defend Brian while refusing to condemn his statement.
This was the point at which it became clear to me that your behavior no longer warranted the use of everyday civility. "
Cogito wrote on May 1, 2009 8:25 AM:
Leonard wrote on May 1, 2009 8:22 AM:
You know nothing of Palin's character; you simply fear her for her unabashed approach to the issues. But if you want to discuss the character of President Obama and his appointees, then let the games begin
What a perfect and profound demonstration of the hypocrisy that defines J's every post!
Your habit of waving the flag of civility would be commendable if the context of your posts and letters on these blogs didn't make it so absurd. "
wtf wrote on May 1, 2009 8:21 AM:
NOT!
Didn't GM just get a mega bailout...or was that a "loan"? LOL!
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/timecorpwelfare.html "
wtf wrote on May 1, 2009 7:51 AM:
CORPORATE WELFARE!
This affects us all. On the first link below, scroll down and take a look at how much the poor receive compared to the mega wealthy corporations.
http://www.taxpolicy.com/cwsearch/
The other two links cite the cost of corporate welfare to taxpayers; with the last link being particularly good.
http://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989508,00.html
And it's funny how no one has commented on my posts regarding congressional "retirement" plan - the plan that WE the taxpayers pay for...you want to talk about "welfare"....then there's the "bailouts" by both Bush AND Obama...this is definitely "welfare" to me!
The poor are easy targets because you can see them and they're virtually defenseless; how about this discussion cover the ***REAL*** "welfare" queens? "
lodisafeway wrote on May 1, 2009 7:50 AM:
You know nothing of Palin's character; you simply fear her for her unabashed approach to the issues. But if you want to discuss the character of President Obama and his appointees, then let the games begin. Of course, I couldn't expect that you would be civil or reasonable in your discourse, as you've already proven yourself to be totally lacking of self-control, so I will preemptively demur. As I've stated before, "You must learn to control your passions; they will be your undoing." (Mr. Spock to Dr. "Leonard" McCoy, The Wrath of Khan.)
I can only assume since the first 100 days of President Obama have been at best mediocre, your hand-wringing has you in constant pain, making it nearly impossible for you to think (or post) rationally. For that you have my sympathy; as for your character, you have my pity. "
Leonard wrote on May 1, 2009 5:19 AM:
J can't dispute my statement so he attacks me instead.
I thought my characterization of Palin was both generous and kind, given the woman's character.
We live in a partisan world, a world in which posters on these blogs call our President unprintable racist expletives with J's tacit approval. Mr. K's hypocrisy when it comes to these matters just serves to further discredit his positions. "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 10:31 PM:
Now I wonder who's mean-spirited and hateful. Once again, these are not the words of a Republican or a conservative. I would think there are more than a few who would take issue with the use of certain words in that statement. Of course it doesn't bother me at all; I simply consider the source and shake my head. Pathetic. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:19 PM:
" Leonard, Margaret Sanger was a complete whack job, yet Hillary highly admires her, and said so in chambers just last week.
I am straining my mind to see how this is at all relevant.
On a personal level, I have never been a supporter of Hillary. You may recall that I was at least considering voting for McCain if Hillary got the nomination? Of course, that was before McCain took the long walk off the short pier and chose the retarded female pit bull as a running mate. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:16 PM:
" Why is it always assumed that anyone using government services are either not working or unworthy? That's absurd. The MAJORITY of recipients are the elderly, veterans, and disabled people.
Elderly veterans with disabilities???
That reminds me of someone on these blogs.
Now who could it be here that fits that description??? "
Cogito wrote on Apr 30, 2009 6:58 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Apr 30, 2009 6:44 PM:
Anything can be posted, and with 27 it was. A vast difference of how people think. I was just pointing out a fact, should have just posted the last sentence. "
voter wrote on Apr 30, 2009 4:57 PM:
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 4:52 PM:
While I may agree with this Ed, how about - by some miracle - we legislate the **bureaucrats** i.e., government out of ALL of our wealth leaving the wealthy their wealth and the poor the ability to acquire wealth? "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 2:23 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:52 PM:
" And there I rest my case!
In the fashion of Hamilton Burger.
:) "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:30 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:21 PM:
" Ah, and that which has become so predictable on this forum, hatred rears its ugly head once more. I wonder what it is that has the radical-left so afraid of ideas
Yeah, that's bound to happen if you define hatred as "anything that doesn't agree 100% with Jerome Kinderman's view of the world".
To me, that definition, along with your definition of the "radical left" seems rather self serving in so much as it absolves you of any actual defense of your generally absurd positions. "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:16 PM:
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:12 PM:
But I will not sit back and shut up, regardless of the silly non-responsive posts here or anywhere else. And I will never suggest that anyone else do the same, regardless of their stance. "
dogs4you wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:07 PM:
But I have a belief that Leonard will give it a shot, since nothing in my post talks about slavery, Jeff.
And BTW, there should be an S on the end of Walter. "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 1:03 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 12:53 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 12:49 PM:
Ed's attempt to use Rogers in an Argument from Authority fallacy tends to discredit his entire letter and its author. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 30, 2009 12:46 PM:
" Jeff, see if you can follow this line of thought. You condemned the quote of Adrian Rogers because he condoned slavery. You insinuated that since Mr. Rogers cannot be taken seriously due to his incorrect thinking regarding another matter
Rogers was condoning slavery in the context of economics which is, after all, the subject of Ed's letter. "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 11:39 AM:
t jefferson wrote on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 AM:
As far as slavery -- don't be so quick to think that slavery doesn't exist. Currently practiced overtly in Africa and Asia. In the US debt slaves have been created by the million in the last 10 years. Welfare slave in the 10 of millions since LBJ. All in the name of fairness and equality. Just because there is no chain, do you think the 5th gen welfare mom is really free. How about that homeowner with the 700K mortgage on the 300K house?
Wow - you people have the wool pulled over your eyes so easily just because of a couple of words... "
lodisafeway wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:54 AM:
My point is that context plays a very important part in what people say; as does the foundations for those ideas. Knee-jerk reactions due to nothing more than furthering this out-of-control political correctness that has nearly become pandemic in our nation will certainly lead to our downfall. Quickly disappearing is the right of free speech; and along with it freedom of thought. And this is becoming more and more frightening. "
Cogito wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:48 AM:
jeff wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:17 AM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:11 AM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:57 AM:
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:55 AM:
That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen.. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us
Then sit back.....
And see how fast they would fix it. "
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:55 AM:
Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits! "
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:55 AM:
Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA..! ZILCH...
This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan.. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;
"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!” "
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:54 AM:
When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die….Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.
For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White, and their wives, may expect to draw $7, 800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275, 000.00 during the last years of their lives.
This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. "
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:54 AM:
Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.
Our Senators and Congressmen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.
You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan.
In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. "
wtf wrote on Apr 30, 2009 8:53 AM:
Isn’t it ironic that our leaders propose bills that they, themselves, are exempt from?
It doesn’t matter if you are Republican or Democrat.
Propose a bill in 2009 to put all politicians on Social Security. "
jeff wrote on Apr 30, 2009 7:52 AM:
These words are also Mr. Adrian Rogers'. "
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