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The use of 'illegal alien' is dehumanizing
Monday, March 16, 2009 6:25 AM PDT
For far too long, Joe Guzzardi has offered columns filled with what he considers "sensible debate about federal immigration policy."
Let me enlighten you, Mr. Guzzardi: Your columns are filled with nothing but hate and racism towards undocumented immigrants, specifically Hispanics. The issue of immigration has no skin color, which you fail to recognize.
I also fail to understand your connection between undocumented immigrants and layoffs within Lodi Unified School District. Clearly, there has been an increase in Hispanic students, but your assumption that they are undocumented is racist in itself.
Mr. Guzzardi, you naively claim that you have been politically incorrect for the last 20 years, but let me inform you that this does not give you a free pass to spew your racist opinions. Also, your use of the term "illegal alien" is simply dehumanizing. You, the oppressor, Mr. Guzzardi, dehumanize yourself in dehumanizing others. I ask that you reconsider the use of the term.
Mr. Guzzardi, I ask that the next time you sit down to enjoy a meal, appreciate the vegetables and fruits you eat. For they may just have been harvested by exploited Hispanic immigrants who worked five times as hard for a quarter of the pay in a job that any "American" would consider demeaning, all to have a fighting chance to achieve the dream, to offer their children a chance for an education and hope for a better future.
Mr. Guzzardi, we are extremely privileged in the United States, and too often we take it for granted. Clearly, Mr. Guzzardi, you are perpetuating the oppression of undocumented immigrants, and I dare you to become a warrior of human liberation. You may then find your heart filled with love, not hate.
Jenna Donald Santoyo
Lodi
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campking wrote on Mar 23, 2009 1:14 AM:
First, stop calling them "illegals", "aliens", "illegal aliens". We must begin using more politically correct words to describe them. Once we all "view" them in a more PC light, then we start promising them Unionization, Legal protection, and ask them to "come out of hiding".
Next, we hold a conference with ille (oops) undocumented persons, and tell them how "Patriotic" they are. We even go as far as telling them that they are "the most patriotic Americans we know".
What is the next step? Any illeg (there I go again) any undocumented that is in the country by such and such a date, the Democratic party has decided to give you citizenship. Don't worry about paying us back, you can pay us at the polls.
And, Jenna, before you start calling me a racist, I have several Mexican friends, all of which are for border control, as illegals cheapen the efforts they went through to enter our country properly. I have many Black friends and Asian friends, and several German friends, Irish friends and Australian friends. All Legal, and all agree about illegals. "
campking wrote on Mar 23, 2009 1:00 AM:
What is bi-partisanship? To the Democrats in congress, bi-partisan means any time the Republicans rolled over and caved in to their demands. If we don't cave in, and fight for what we believe, we are "Nay-sayers", "The party of No", or "Partisans". If we roll over, and abandon our beliefs, then we are "bipartisan". Is this what we really want? No Way!
This is NO time for "bi-partisanship". We must stand up for what we believe in. We must fight the good fight, and try to derail any of the ultra-liberal policies that come through the pipe-line. If we don't, if we cop out and offer bipartisanship on issues we truly don't believe in, then I fear for my country, and its direction. "
dogbark wrote on Mar 22, 2009 10:00 PM:
stop calling me dogsbarks "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:15 PM:
" Illegal is still illegal. Come to this country from where ever your from legally and there will be no reason to dabate any of this. I've seen far too many families at the welfare department and I am tired of paying taxes to those benefits to families that think we should pay their medical and housing costs because they bore children in this country. What country can I go to where I have this kind of a hand out? "
Shouldn't even be a debate here. Americans should be protecting Americans, sovereignty, and the constitution. Globalist create the debate because they want Americans to pay for everybody on the planet not just the AIG CEO's. "
Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2009 3:17 PM:
CAJEWELS wrote on Mar 21, 2009 12:57 PM:
Journey wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:25 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 21, 2009 9:22 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 20, 2009 3:25 PM:
Leonard, will you join me in condemning the Democrat Party for continually ignoring the laws on aid and harboring illegal aliens
Sure, if you will join me in condemning the Republicans for exactly the same thing.
The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency for 6 years and did absolutely nothing about immigration. It is a little late for them to claim to be the champions of native rights now that they are in the minority. "
Actually, I have written just as many letters yelling at Republicans, many to Sen. John Ensign, as I have to Democrats.
"Native rights"? I am not a "native", just a legal resident who believes in law enforcement.
But I get to apply for citizenship this year, and will gladly be doing it regardless of the $675.00 fee because that is the right thing to do. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 20, 2009 7:05 PM:
Leonard, will you join me in condemning the Democrat Party for continually ignoring the laws on aid and harboring illegal aliens
Sure, if you will join me in condemning the Republicans for exactly the same thing.
The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency for 6 years and did absolutely nothing about immigration. It is a little late for them to claim to be the champions of native rights now that they are in the minority. "
Gator wrote on Mar 20, 2009 5:26 PM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 20, 2009 3:25 PM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:10 AM:
Giovanina, S&W, will you join me in broadly condemning the Ku Klux Klan and all of its affiliates?
Surely this is one thing we can all agree on. "
I totally agree with you on this
I feel the bi partisan love.
Anyone up for a round of Kum-By-Ya? :> "
I am an American that wants the laws enforced. Which part of "bi-partisan" is that? Leonard
Leonard, will you join me in condemning the Democrat Party for continually ignoring the laws on aid and harboring illegal aliens for the sake of gaining more Democrat votes?
Look at Pelosi, what a joke. Can't get votes from educated Americans so they look for more future votes from illegal aliens they get from an amnesty. Very Un-American. "
edumacation wrote on Mar 20, 2009 9:04 AM:
edumacation wrote on Mar 20, 2009 9:02 AM:
El Mejicanos---GO BACK!
Or translated to street venacular:
Noticias!
Los Mejicanos del el vuelven a su pas Don' posicin en cuclillas de t aqu. Nosotros don' t le quiere que destruye nuestro pas y que da vuelta en tugurios mexicanos! "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Mar 20, 2009 5:42 AM:
S & W 500 wrote on Mar 19, 2009 7:45 PM:
Have a great day! "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:58 PM:
" Socrates: Tell the "whole" truth next time.
Hmmm, the article pretty much summed up that Obama does indeed want some amount of amnesty for illegals. That being said, Socrates may not have told the whole story but he did tell the truth about Obama wanting amnesty. "
Lodian wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:42 PM:
Lodian wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:41 PM:
Obama says immigration reform needed, illegal immigrants should have path to citizenship
--Associated Press
March 18, 2009
COSTA MESA, Calif. -
President Barack Obama says the United States is a nation of immigrants but the country must have control over its borders.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in Southern California, Obama said immigration is a high-emotion issue that cannot be dealt with in pieces. He says he wants to work with leaders in Congress and in Mexico to come up with a comprehensive plan.
Obama says it's important for longtime illegal immigrants to have a path to citizenship so they can join unions and get protection from employers who exploit them. He says those illegal immigrants could earn U.S. citizenship if they pay a fine and learn English.
Obama says residents who have put down roots should be able to come out of hiding. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 19, 2009 10:56 AM:
Giovanina, S&W, will you join me in broadly condemning the Ku Klux Klan and all of its affiliates?
Surely this is one thing we can all agree on. "
I totally agree with you on this
I feel the bi partisan love.
Anyone up for a round of Kum-By-Ya? :> "
Socrates wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:44 AM:
He said this in Costa Mesa, California. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:28 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:45 PM:
What is ironic, is I have no problem debating issues with you, but you immediately get into personal attacks on people, and you do it all the time.
G, you have shown your true colors over and over again.
I refuse to waste my time taking you seriously. "
This is a signal of surrender by someone who can't handle the debate or come up with any proof. The wind keeps blowing by, though. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:23 AM:
" Ivan Dixon wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:59 PM:
" I'm confused.
Now, Ivan Dixon that is one tactic that we can all agree you use a lot. You are confused. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:19 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:45 PM:
What is ironic, is I have no problem debating issues with you, but you immediately get into personal attacks on people, and you do it all the time.
G, you have shown your true colors over and over again.
I refuse to waste my time taking you seriously. "
Sorry, but many people, in the past, have shown that you don't know how to judge a person's true colors, so you will have to explain, with proof. But everyone sees one big windbag who judges others as bad because they want the laws enforced, and then you continue to call them names until they don't comment on here anymore. A sense of control on your part that shows your true colors. Autocrat, dictator, tyrant, are just a few of those names. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:11 AM:
" I'm confused.
Is Ms. Govanininy really saying that its OK to burn a cross on a black couples lawn because a illegal immigrant beat someone to death?
I keep telling myself that can't possibly be what she is saying but when I read her post, it sure seems that way. "
Why don't you just stop telling everybody what other people are REALLY saying, because it is obvious that you don't. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:10 AM:
" Lets all shake hands and make nice here.
Giovanina, S&W, will you join me in broadly condemning the Ku Klux Klan and all of its affiliates?
Surely this is one thing we can all agree on. "
I totally agree with you on this
but once again.
I am using an example on how you judge people on here, and you try to dodge it by once again focusing on the hypothetical example being used "
dyan wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:58 AM:
The burden of proof is on you! "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:57 AM:
onelastthing wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:55 AM:
For once, we agree.
-No, for once we agree, ON MANY OCCASIONS. :) "
dyan wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:54 AM:
To much looking in to the mirror I guess. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:32 AM:
" Of course the KKK and all it's affiliates should be condemned.
For once, we agree. "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:20 AM:
And so should CAIR and all it affiliates. "
motoracn116 wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:10 AM:
2. a foreigner.
So...I don't get the argument! Let's actually solve issues not debate terms that are completely accurate in the ENGLISH language. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:03 PM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:03 PM:
Giovanina, S&W, will you join me in broadly condemning the Ku Klux Klan and all of its affiliates?
Surely this is one thing we can all agree on. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:59 PM:
Is Ms. Govanininy really saying that its OK to burn a cross on a black couples lawn because a illegal immigrant beat someone to death?
I keep telling myself that can't possibly be what she is saying but when I read her post, it sure seems that way. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:52 PM:
What is ironic, is I have no problem debating issues with you, but you immediately get into personal attacks on people, and you do it all the time.
G, you have shown your true colors over and over again.
I refuse to waste my time taking you seriously. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:52 PM:
"Give me a break!
It is incumbent on any writer to communicate in a manner that will be well received by their audience"
Chuckle....
Don't exactly practice what you preach, now, do you..... "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:45 PM:
I did not say that S&W was in the Klan but everyone here knows that cross burning has gone on in Lodi for years.
I am not so young that I cannot recall the cross that was burned on Locust street when a black couple dared to move into that neighborhood."
So if a person of color burnt a cross on your lawn, Leonard, by your "definition" that person of color would be a KKK member. Couldn't theyre just be mad at your atheism?
wow what a profiler you are. Exactly, and I mean exactly, how many crosses were actually burned in people's yards in Lodi.
How many people, in Lodi, were murdered or beaten by illegal aliens? Don't really see you defending those victims. Probably more Lodi victims than burnt crosses, I'll bet.
What is ironic, is I have no problem debating issues with you, but you immediately get into personal attacks on people, and you do it all the time. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:10 PM:
Or was is someone else you were referring to here, Leonard? Are you now going to imply that you weren't implying
that S&W is a racist or a member of the KKK, but someone else here. Who is that someone else? "
I did not say that S&W was in the Klan but everyone here knows that cross burning has gone on in Lodi for years.
I am not so young that I cannot recall the cross that was burned on Locust street when a black couple dared to move into that neighborhood.
I sincerely hope that the people who post on these blogs would never have anything to do with that sort of domestic terrorism. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:06 PM:
But word nazis
Chuckle...
That, folks, is a little thing called "irony". "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:02 PM:
" S W 500 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:31 PM:
I am not a racist.
"Wet back" is a racist term. People who use the word "wet back" are racists.
I did not respond to your email because I have no desire to carry on a private correspondence with you. I am perfectly comfortable saying what I have to say to you here, in public, where everyone can see. "
Apparently, you would bombard him with too many facts, and he can't deal with it. He would rather entertain himself with attacking a person's character on a public forum. A person he doesn't know and never met. So, in his mind, that makes him an expert in character judgement.....lol "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:50 PM:
" S W 500 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:31 PM:
I am not a racist.
"Wet back" is a racist term. People who use the word "wet back" are racists."
Actually, it is not a racist term. It is a location specific word meaning someone who came across the southern border illegaly. But word nazis like to use a lot of labels to censor those that they disagree with because they can't deal with facts. "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:46 PM:
"Wet back" is a racist term. People who use the word "wet back" are racists.
-Now S&W is a racist and a member of the KKK.
Or was is someone else you were referring to here, Leonard? Are you now going to imply that you weren't implying
that S&W is a racist or a member of the KKK, but someone else here. Who is that someone else? "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:45 PM:
So what color is "wet" supposed to pertain too? I think when you come out of the Rio Grande, now, you glow green... "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:42 PM:
" I agree. The term illegal alien is racist. No person is illegal. In the case of people that come to this country illegally, or over stay their visa, the correct term should be CRIMINAL ALIEN. They should be rounded up and deported. "
Well if you believe "no person is illegal", try breaking into my house and see what happens to you. Hint: I won't be paying for your rent, medical bills, education, etc. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:38 PM:
" edumacation wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:26 PM:
" The term illegal alien, although used in the popular press could more accurately be described as "Mexican National" , because 90% of them fit that definition.
That might have been true 20 years ago but today a high percentage of the illegals swamping our borders have simply passed through Mexico on their way from Central American countries and points further South.
Of course, to many of the intellectually disadvantaged, anyone who speaks Spanish is simply a "Meskin" and there is nothing you or I could say that would convince them otherwise."
Sorry, wrong agian, the highest percentage of illegal aliens came from and continue to come from the Mexican states of Jalisco, Sinaloa, and Guadalara. They are mostly Mexicans. The reason they are mostly NOT from Central or South American is because the Mexican government literally beats them back. Mexico protects their Southern border, we don't. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:36 PM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:44 PM:
I did not call Mexicans "TURDS", read my blog again and think! Re-read the above and think.
If you still cannot come up with a perception of what I am trying to say, lay off the caffeine.
Chuckle....
And yet you claim that I said you were in the KKK.
Perhaps a dose of your own advice would do you good. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:41 PM:
I am not a racist.
"Wet back" is a racist term. People who use the word "wet back" are racists.
I did not respond to your email because I have no desire to carry on a private correspondence with you. I am perfectly comfortable saying what I have to say to you here, in public, where everyone can see. "
S & W 500 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:37 PM:
Logging off- Time to go Have a great day! "
S W 500 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:31 PM:
Hey Lenny, why won't you respond to the e-mail I sent you? Called your bluff didn't I! Don't publicize your e-mail when you talk such SMUT!
Ivan Dixon, I did not call Mexicans "TURDS", read my blog again and think! Re-read the above and think.
If you still cannot come up with a perception of what I am trying to say, lay off the caffeine. "
Gator wrote on Mar 18, 2009 5:44 PM:
never miss a good chance to just shut up!!! Besides Ive never known
Leonard to be anything but what he is, honest and some what opinionated
which is more than I can say for people who post under many Names. One
thing is nagging me, back in the days on the old blogs there was this person
who posted as Dan!!! We used to get it on on a regular basis. I ticked him off when I saw he had over 1500 post and I told him to get a life. I think
he is lurking around here now??? "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 18, 2009 4:17 PM:
" S & W 500 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 PM:
A wet back is still a wet back, a turd is still a turd.
Just in case anyone was going to try to argue that the hard, core cross burning, racist pig rapers hadn't weighed in on one side of this issue. "
-You made the comment after copy and pasting what S&W said. How can you expect to think that S&W would not think that you were referring to him?
Anyway, if there are some cross burners here on this blogg and it isn't S&W, who are they? You're not going to sleeze your way out of this Lenny. "
edumacation wrote on Mar 18, 2009 4:06 PM:
edumacation wrote on Mar 18, 2009 4:02 PM:
Now because dog thinks its a "log", it doesn't mean it is actually a log---but with significant poop sniffing experience the dog thinks it is poop. "
Gator wrote on Mar 18, 2009 11:22 AM:
the thousands they were forced into so-called migrant Camps one of the biggest was in
Thornton. When they would ride the Rails from camp to camp they would be pulled off of
The trains by members of the American legion and railroad detectives and beaten and
Some times shot and killed because they were thought to be communist as they had tried to form a Union. John Steinbeck Chronicled this black part of our history. Tobacco Road,
Cannery Row, Sweet Thursday, of mice and Men and our winter of discontent. And a good documentary called Harvest of Shame!! Up into the early fifties the majority of farm
Laborers were white people treated worse than dogs!! "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:55 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:49 AM:
Apparently, not all fathers teach their sons that lesson. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:30 AM:
BTW, you don't have ANY facts to back up your accusation that S&W 500 is a member of the KKK.
All I said was that the cross burners had weighed in.
If SW feels that was a reference to himself, well, what am I to do about that? "
edumacation wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:09 AM:
onelastthing wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:47 AM:
" Brian, given your track record, I don't think you would be my first choice for a decision about whether a epithet is racist.
I'm not trying to rehash old news, just pointing out the facts. "
-Of course not. However, we can expect Lodian, BR and Voter to confer with you at any time. :)
BTW, you don't have ANY facts to back up your accusation that S&W 500 is a member of the KKK.
What else would you like to go off on a tangent on? "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:13 AM:
I'm not trying to rehash old news, just pointing out the facts. "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:23 AM:
Perhaps we could have Operation Wetback II. Forgive me for the insult. But at least I wouldn't go as far as accusing someone of being a member of the KKK just for using that term. "
onelastthing wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:08 AM:
Just in case anyone was going to try to argue that the hard, core cross burning, racist pig rapers hadn't weighed in on one side of this issue.
-Seems a little harsh for Leonard to infer that S&W 500 is a member of the KKK just because he used the term "wetback". It makes for interesting thought, though. But I'm not sure if it doesn't discredit Leonard more for making such a blanket accusation then the one being accused. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 18, 2009 5:35 AM:
" Mr. Leonard, you called me a "hard-core cross burner", implying that I am a member of the KKK.
No, you implied that when you used the KKK term for Mexicans.
As for the pig, well, ultimately, that is between you, the pig, and God. "
S & W 500 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 9:30 PM:
BTW: There a lot of Illegals who deserve to stay!!! I will gladly serve on the board to allow them to stay, and believe it or not, I would be fair.
I would ask them 3 questions: 1) How many kids do you have in public school? 2) Do You pay taxes? 3) How many kids do you have/plan to have while in the USA? "
OTH wrote on Mar 17, 2009 7:39 PM:
I am greatly saddened by the rise in TB and other infectious diseases that the US had at one tome irradicated. Even a family that does not use services could be carrying one of the illnesses.Ellis Island served a purpose. It may not have been pleasant but it did serve a good purpose in treating TB, Measles and many other infectious diseases before the immigrants were allowed into the general population. "
S & W 500 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 6:12 PM:
You also called me,"a racist pig raper", I could fire a joke back at you , but I will not. It would make you look even dumber.
Do you have a job or a life?
Or do you continually blame those who are responsible for funding all the leeches? "
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2009 4:02 PM:
Our Nacos, Nacas and Naquitos don't want to help their country, they just came up here to squat and take like their amigos in Mejico. The working Mexicans kicked them out because they got tired of the laziness and excuses. Liberals like them because they always need someone who they think is "below" them, so they can help them and feel guilty for their failures.
We need to pack them up into rail road cars and ship them back to their wonderful homeland THAT THEY MADE.
Adios Nacos y Nacas
Hasta la Vista Nacos !buena liberacin! "
sentimental_76 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 3:53 PM:
Curveball wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:40 PM:
Gator wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:14 PM:
Can stay there and make a good living for you and your family!! "
LodiJoe wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:05 PM:
SportsGuru wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 PM:
HYPOCRACY
Mexico's immigration policy articulates the need for immigrants to assimilate into Mexican society, and be distributed throughout Mexican territory (not gather in the same location).
Yet Mexicans illegally in the US believe they SHOULD NOT have to assimilate into US Society, and they should be allow to congregate wherever they want (Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas) in order to achieve political clout and influence laws.
See my reference to MECHA earlier...
.. and some of you don't see the problem with this hypocracy?
MEXICO IMMIGRATION POLICY
http://www.vdare.com/awall/070516_memo.htm "
SportsGuru wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:40 PM:
MY NEXT POINT....
From the American Heritage and Random House Dictionaries ...
Illegal Alien (Noun): a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization
Dehumanize (verb): To deprive of human qualities such as individuality, compassion, or civility. (slaves who had been dehumanized by their inhumane treatment)
By any sane person's definition, how can using the term "illegal alien" be considered dehumanizing? Just because an Illegal Alien doesn't like being called an "Illegal Alien" doesn't constitute dehumanization.
If you're not a citizen of the US, and you are here without documentation, you are .... AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.
Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Illegal
Alien (Noun): a resident born in or belonging to another country "
SportsGuru wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:36 PM:
FIRST
This letter to the editor may in fact be written under another "pen name" of Julio and Rosa Hernandez - who have had a long standing feud with Mr. Guzzardi over his views on illegal immigration - and whom Mr. Guzzardi has exposed for writing letters under a false pen names in the past.
The Hernandez's are the MECHA coordinators for students in Lodi Unified School District. Don't know what MECHA is? Check out the link below from their national website:
http://www.nationalmecha.org/about.html
Also this article:
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html "
CriminalAlien wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:34 PM:
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:09 PM:
cof09 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 10:30 AM:
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2009 8:00 AM:
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2009 8:00 AM:
I got it?
Las homies del Lodi es: Nios Nacas con las latas de aerosol? "
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2009 7:55 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 17, 2009 7:31 AM:
A wet back is still a wet back, a turd is still a turd.
Just in case anyone was going to try to argue that the hard, core cross burning, racist pig rapers hadn't weighed in on one side of this issue. "
tanner b wrote on Mar 17, 2009 6:52 AM:
Nextel wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:54 PM:
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:59 PM:
S & W 500 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 PM:
Too the wimpy libs, ..I.., have a nice day. A wet back is still a wet back, a turd is still a turd. Some need to stay and be legal, some need to be flushed, and Ms. Santoyo, you need to understand a bit of law before you spout off RACIAL SLURS!
MS. SANTOYO, do you blame teachers when they "grade" you children based on their performance? Do you get mad at Police when they "ticket" you? Do you get mad at your employer when they criticize you for being late? Do you blame the IRS when you don't pay taxes on time? Sounds to me like YOU have the problem. USE A CONDOM. "
wdbdgdad wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:41 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:29 PM:
For allowing that, we up here are to blame. "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:28 PM:
Guzardi is right. There are a lot of "undocumented" anchor babies, and now, their children, enrolled in our schools, and Sacramento is having paying for everything. "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:26 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:25 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:22 PM:
Yes. It's in a book somewhere here in my office mess, at the bottom of the pile somewhere.
You didn't want to know where to find it, did you? "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:47 PM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:43 PM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:41 PM:
"Do you have any "Documentation to back up what you just said about documentation earler?" "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:41 PM:
" The term illegal alien, although used in the popular press could more accurately be described as "Mexican National" , because 90% of them fit that definition.
That might have been true 20 years ago but today a high percentage of the illegals swamping our borders have simply passed through Mexico on their way from Central American countries and points further South.
Of course, to many of the intellectually disadvantaged, anyone who speaks Spanish is simply a "Meskin" and there is nothing you or I could say that would convince them otherwise. "
edumacation wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:33 PM:
Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez! ROFL
LOL I forgot my spray can. "
edumacation wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:26 PM:
Colombians and Mexicans. Argentines, Venezuelans, Brazilians are proud of being called by their namesake country names EXCEPT for Colombians and Mexicans. How do you call THAT FACT racist? You have Chileans and Guatemalans of Indian heritage HATING Mexicans. Was that hatred earned? Or was it he result of racism? Give me a break. Mexicans are known for many despicable behaviors, the same for the Colombians. WHY? Ask any Chiapas Indio. LOL "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:35 PM:
We can absolutely trust the government to do this responsibility correctly. "
sam wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:08 PM:
You are clueless. Many of us farming families have multiple jobs to "allow" us to keep farming. "
LodiSafeway wrote on Mar 16, 2009 4:59 PM:
Most birth certificates come in quite handy down the line as we become eligible for certain programs and entitlements that are enjoyed by U.S. citizens. In fact, absence of a birth certificate can be downright inconvenient, don't you think? Or don't you have one? "
LodiSafeway wrote on Mar 16, 2009 4:45 PM:
The point is that to be labeled an "illegal alien" is simply a way to identify their status, nothing more. It doesn't matter where they came from, if they aren't here in the United States "legally," then they are simply "illegal." It is their status that is at the core of the matter. Most crimes are defined as they pertain to a singular event; therefore people who come across our borders without going through the process of immigration remain in a constant state of criminal wrongdoing until they correct the illegality of their presence or they decide to go back from whence they came (or they are sent back).
Regardless, it is neither racist nor insensitive to define them in this way. To suggest otherwise is sheer lunacy. It is also not wrong to want to rid our nation of these people in favor of those who do enter legally. "
PortTabacco wrote on Mar 16, 2009 4:35 PM:
to the year 1492 to defend illegal immigration into the U.S.
Go ICE! Go Joe Guzzardi!
and down with illegals that should be deported. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM:
Lodiguy85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 3:02 PM:
1) Deport the parents
2) Give "anchor babies" to octo mom...the more the merrier right! hahaha "
tanner b wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:57 PM:
bonsai03 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:29 PM:
Give me a Break! If 3 are border jumpers ALL 3 are Criminals! "
Once again another Racist Junta member that cant read and comprehend at the same time. Funny, we are blaming the fall of the old U.S.A on immigration? Go back and read the letter to the editor maybe this time you can comprehend what is being questioned. That of course would require you to think and that may be asking too much. "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:18 PM:
When we go to work, we have a Social Security Number, maybe a green card.
We get jealous when someone else can get a job without a SSN.
But, the SSN is one very serious source of the problem. This is something that we refuse to acknowledge, like we are characters in an Orwellian novel*.
It is easier to blame the undocumented aliens who don't have an SSN like we have.
Wouldn't it be nice if I could get an EIN to replace the SSN, and if I mention it, I get some really resentful looks from people. This is because people are resentful when people get out of the same system.
Hail Dorothy!
* In 1984, 25 chess partners refused to acknowledge the prior existence of a chess partner whose identity was erased after his arrest. Suddenly there was a problem of how to arrange the tournament with an odd number of people, whereas this problem had never existed when their missing partner was alive. The chess participants pretended this problem had existed all along. "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:09 PM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:08 PM:
" Giovanina, In response to your comment:
Do not try to attack our legal system with your socialism. You socialists continue to use YOUR labels to try to shut up people that want the laws followed. Guess what? it isn't working. Illegals are criminals
One I am anything but a socialist, two I also want laws to be followed, and three Illegals are not ALL Criminals."
Give me a Break! If 3 are border jumpers ALL 3 are Criminals! "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:07 PM:
I read that in 2003, there were 3000 anchor babies born in Stockton.
That must have been the County Hospital.
continued.... "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:04 PM:
Today, now that I realize that documentation is something truly evil, for which I, a living natural man who understands the true nature of the documentation, I can't tell the undocumented's how to live their life. "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:03 PM:
"We need these people, and yet we will not give them legal permission to come here".
That is PURE BULL voter! America has a "Work Visa" program to facilitate Employment!
As for the hundreds of thousands of illegal hispanic mothers having baby After baby, yet DO NOT work, what is your defense for them voter? Their children are American citizens and thus become what is known as "Anchor Babies", to AVOID DEPORTATION!How are these mother's contributing to our economy voter? Well, cat got your tongue? "
danielh wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:02 PM:
There are two types: "Resident," and "Nonresident." (These two latter terminologies have their definitions also, and these are a long story.)
I don't exactly know where my parents were at the time that I was truly created, but I was "berthed" on the land, in Sacramento.
My birth certificate indicates that there was not an "INFORMANT" a/k/a mother's signature, but the doctor turned me in.
That sheet of paper with the ink on it is the UNITED STATES citizen.
I am NOT a print of ink on the surface of a paper. I am a living breathing natural man.
Hence under the UNITED STATES code, I AM NOT a US citizen. "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:58 PM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:56 PM:
" T & C, I will only explain this one more time. You can not become a citizen before you get here. You must live and work in this country for five years before you can apply for citizenship. In order to legally work in this country as a foreign citizen, you need a work visa. Work visas are only given for a few highly skilled jobs deemed unfilled by Americans. Learning English and waiting patiently in line in a foreign country will not get someone a work visa. Immigrants perform important work that has been unfilled by citizens. While there are many "legal" farm workers and other low wage earners, it is not nearly enough to get the job done. We need these people, and yet we will not give them legal permission to come here. It is not likely that American employers will be willing to pay higher wages in an economic downturn to lure American workers, but who knows? Let's see how that plays out."
They need to get the job skills in MEXICO and then get a Work Visa; what is sooo Complicated about that? "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:50 PM:
" I would think that the solution to these problems would be simple. First thing we do is to protect our borders with much more aggressive action toward illegals. Then we re-institute the Bracero Program of the 40s and 50s. That way we get the labor we need. We print them and photograph them, just like getting a drivers license. If we could keep track of people then, we could do it now. Then we offer citizenship to those who have worked here for 5 years without being involved in any criminal activity. Anyone who comes here will do so for work. Take away the anchor baby rule. If your illegal, it doesn't matter that you had a baby here. Deductions will be taken from your check for education and healthcare. You will be welcomed at the county hospital for non emergency medical needs. That way we can keep out the drug runners and gang members as best we can. Busted for dui? You're going home! Just a start".
I.m very impressed with your post, Cogito. It represents common sense to a horrible situation that will only grow worse! "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:44 PM:
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:29 PM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:23 PM:
First recorded usage of the word "alien" was 1340, does not mean that it wasn't used before
No, but it is a pretty good indicator.
One could just as easily argue that the fact that we don't have any record of ipods before the year 2000 doesn't mean that they didn't exist in 1382. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:51 PM:
First recorded usage of the word "alien" was 1340, does not mean that it wasn't used before. Many words are used, verbally, for a very long time before they are recorded. So you are wasting your time on that one. The fact is that the word could have been used long before your date, and any true etymologist, not you, would acknowledge it. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:46 PM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:33 AM:
Are you now going to go around calling our English language, Latin, just to massage your ego? And continue to call me petty names to try and win a debate? My my....
You asserted that the word "alien" was derived from Old English. I showed that, as usual, you had no idea what you were talking about.
In that moment you did, literally, lose the debate. "
Once again you are imagining things, Leonard. I did not say that "alien" was derivived from anything. I said it was an old English word used for foreigner. Then you tried to debate that it wasn't. "alien" is an old English word meaning foreigner. I don't know where you come up with the idea that I said it was dervived from anythying. You won't find alien in the Latin dictionary because it is an English word. Sorry you are so anti-English. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:39 PM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:39 AM:
" Old English is alien
Old French is alienus
Latin is alius
Old English was used between the 5th and 12th centuries. The first instance of the word "alien" in English is from 1340.
End of story. "
So when they wrote up the Alien and Sedition Act, the word "alien" was a New English trendy word?
Once again you are barking up the wrong tree. The usage is Old English as far as anyone is concerned. For laypersons, Old English is anything before Industrial Age.
End of Story.
Try debating aomething that pertains to the thread. This linguistic debate that you started added nothing but your bruised ego. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:19 PM:
" bonsai03 I have an excellent heart
as I grow my own food.
He has a field next to his bunker. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:18 PM:
In the past American citizens did all the work in the U.S.
I assume you are speaking of the years before 1492? "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:17 PM:
" Old English is alien
Old French is alienus
Latin is alius
Old English was used between the 5th and 12th centuries. The first instance of the word "alien" in English is from 1340.
End of story. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:10 PM:
Are you now going to go around calling our English language, Latin, just to massage your ego? And continue to call me petty names to try and win a debate? My my....
You asserted that the word "alien" was derived from Old English. I showed that, as usual, you had no idea what you were talking about.
In that moment you did, literally, lose the debate. "
Gator wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:58 AM:
them selves, BFD, do it the old fashioned way with papers(legal not forged) and wait your turnI would like to see all immigration shut down period for 2 to 3 years so we can
clean up the mess "
PortTabacco wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:52 AM:
as I grow my own food.
Who needs illegal aliens?
I wouldn't eat the c*** from China. "
bonsai03 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:47 AM:
PortTabacco wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:44 AM:
http://www.numbersusa.com
Register for free faxes to your Representatives on the link above.
Halt the next amnesty try dead in it's tracks. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:41 AM:
" From: http://wordwizard.scholastic.com/dictionary/?ent_l=alien
"The English word alien comes from a Latin word alienus that means "belonging to another place or person." In the English spoken in the 1300s, "alien" took on the meaning of "foreigner." Six hundred years later, in the 1900s, "alien" began to be used as a word for beings from another planet."
All illegal Martians should be sent back too, especially Martin the Martian, he is such a dictator and not above the law...lol "
PortTabacco wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:39 AM:
I have news for you Jenna Santoyo.
Americans are not going to put up with the continued invasion.
Joe Guzzardi is not a racist and he is merely commenting on this invasion and it bothers people like you that Americans are not going to take it anymore!
As for enjoying our meals- China is now
supplying us with food.
Should we allow an illegal invasion from China?
In the past American citizens did all the work in the U.S.
We never needed illegal aliens and we don't need them now.
Prop. 187 won and American stopped
the amnesty of last year.
Does it sound like Americans want illegal alien here?
Calling Americans RACISTS is your only defense for this lawbreaking.
Get out of here! "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:39 AM:
Old French is alienus
Latin is alius
Looks pretty English to me. "
Rhodie wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:36 AM:
"The English word alien comes from a Latin word alienus that means "belonging to another place or person." In the English spoken in the 1300s, "alien" took on the meaning of "foreigner." Six hundred years later, in the 1900s, "alien" began to be used as a word for beings from another planet." "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:33 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:36 AM:
" Sorry, Leonard but that is incorrect. The "illegal immigrant" term was put out there by someone other than the government and law system.
Get a dictionary Gio, "alien" has nothing to do with old English, it is a latin cognate from "alius". "
Modern is post-Industrial.
The word "alien" was used in the 1700's, before "post-Industrial", and it was an English word. Industrial Age in England is typically 1800's.
Are you now going to go around calling our English language, Latin, just to massage your ego? And continue to call me petty names to try and win a debate? My my....
You brought this debate off tangent just to boost your ego. Another lib tactic. Try debating ALL of the facts I made in my long statements...Oh you can't, you just whine about the word "alien". LOL "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:23 AM:
Audi 5000 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:23 AM:
Audi 5000 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:21 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:20 AM:
The writer simply wants people to be recognized as human beings that is all
I don't think anyone is questioning the humanity of criminals but that doesn't change the fact that they are breaking the law. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:17 AM:
Leonard brought up alius not I.
"Alius" is the Latin word from which the modern English "alien" is derived. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:16 AM:
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:16 AM:
bonsai03 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:12 AM:
Do not try to attack our legal system with your socialism. You socialists continue to use YOUR labels to try to shut up people that want the laws followed. Guess what? it isn't working. Illegals are criminals
One I am anything but a socialist, two I also want laws to be followed, and three Illegals are not ALL Criminals. I may self used to be what you wonderful people label Illegal Alien but guess what, I am now a citizen living right next to you competing for jobs and thriving. I love the United States and wan to see it protected but that is not the question here, and since you and Racist Junta member Leonard cant read and comprehend at the same time, let an ex-Illegal Alien do it for you.
The writer simply wants people to be recognized as human beings that is all. It is pain black and white. The writer also states that the issue of immigration has no skin color yet you close minded individuals only point the finger in one direction, at Mexicans. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:12 AM:
" Giovanina, if you are going to chastize someone over spelling, you'd better make sure you check yours! "alius" Bahahahaha! "
Maybe you better read the whole thread and realize what you are talking about before you type. Leonard brought up alius not I.
Leonard doesn't like it when you correct him so he calls you all kinds of names, but I expect it being the far left liberal. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:10 AM:
" Leonard, I have felt for a long time that our National Guard should be helping along our border. I'm sure that the Border Patrolman's union will start screaming about Obamas taking away their jobs.
The escalating rate of violence on the other side is making some sort of military presence a necessity.
People I know here who are directly involved in the issue are convinced that Mexico is quickly heading towards a state of open civil war.
When that happens, people will look back on the days when illegal immigration was their greatest concern with fond nostalgia. "
midtowner wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:09 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:07 AM:
Wow, the old far left "hatred" and "bigotry" labels. Please show me in this thread where I used such hatred and bigotry? I used legal terms but because you don't agree, so you try to create censorship? "
Giovanina, hatred, bigotry, pig ignorance and a disgusting personal stench are your defining characteristics. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:07 AM:
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:04 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:03 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:46 AM:
Sorry again Leonard you are wrong. "alius" is an old Latin word, "alien" is the old English word. Notice the different letters. Get over it. "
Like a retarded dog, you simply can't learn to stay down when you've been kicked to the floor.
The word, is, in fact a cognate. The word first entered the English language as a cognate in Middle English, not Old English.
Your ignorance rivals your hatred and bigotry which is, in and of itself, amazing. "
Wow, the old far left "hatred" and "bigotry" labels. Please show me in this thread where I used such hatred and bigotry? I used legal terms but because you don't agree, so you try to create censorship? "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:58 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:46 AM:
Sorry again Leonard you are wrong. "alius" is an old Latin word, "alien" is the old English word. Notice the different letters. Get over it. "
Like a retarded dog, you simply can't learn to stay down when you've been kicked to the floor.
The word, is, in fact a cognate. The word first entered the English language as a cognate in Middle English, not Old English.
Your ignorance rivals your hatred and bigotry which is, in and of itself, amazing. "
More labels from the ignorant. Pretty typical to call people names when you are wrong. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:58 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 AM:
I realize you have to massage your ego, here, but you are incorrect. Most words have derived from many latin root words but each linguistic group has created their own word using their alphabet, phonetics, etc. Therefore "alien" is English and not Latin, but it means the same thing as alius, or foreigner. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:52 AM:
" I would think that the solution to these problems would be simple. First thing we do is to protect our borders with much more aggressive action toward illegals
Here in Texas, they are reporting that President Obama is considering federalizing the Texas National Guard and deploying them along the border.
This seems like a step in the right direction. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:48 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:47 AM:
" I would think that the solution to these problems would be simple. First thing we do is to protect our borders with much more aggressive action toward illegals. Then we re-institute the Bracero Program of the 40s and 50s. That way we get the labor we need. We print them and photograph them, just like getting a drivers license. If we could keep track of people then, we could do it now. Then we offer citizenship to those who have worked here for 5 years without being involved in any criminal activity. Anyone who comes here will do so for work. Take away the anchor baby rule. If your illegal, it doesn't matter that you had a baby here. Deductions will be taken from your check for education and healthcare. You will be welcomed at the county hospital for non emergency medical needs. That way we can keep out the drug runners and gang members as best we can. Busted for dui? You're going home! Just a start. "
Sounds very humane and legal too me. But the Razas will fight you all the way. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:46 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:46 AM:
" Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:36 AM:
" Sorry, Leonard but that is incorrect. The "illegal immigrant" term was put out there by someone other than the government and law system.
As T & C explained, immigrants go through an immigration process, a legal process. The gov't term "illegal alien" is the correct term, and "alien" is the old English word for foreigner, hence "illegal foreigner"
Get a dictionary Gio, "alien" has nothing to do with old English, it is a latin cognate from "alius". "
Sorry again Leonard you are wrong. "alius" is an old Latin word, "alien" is the old English word. Notice the different letters. Get over it. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:45 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:43 AM:
" I am not surprised that the Racist Junta of Lodi have come out swinging to defend a racist while ignoring the writers simple plea to recognize a group of people as human beings. I am, however, surprised that a town like Lodi with deep Christian roots cannot find it within their harts to recognize the damage that is caused by dehumanizing and labeling a group as mere immigrants. As for Mr. Guzzardi here are some facts: Lodi Unified had an enrollment count of about 30,000 kids with half composed of Hispanic Kids. It is due to those Hispanic kids that all your ex-colleagues continue to have a job. "
Do not try to attack our legal system with your socialism. You socialists continue to use YOUR labels to try to shut up people that want the laws followed. Guess what? it isn't working. Illegals are criminals.
Soon the country will mechanize those industries that use migrant labor. Many fruit, vegetable, and nut industries are already doing it. That is why illegal advocates are in a rush. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:43 AM:
" Sorry, Leonard but that is incorrect. The "illegal immigrant" term was put out there by someone other than the government and law system.
As T & C explained, immigrants go through an immigration process, a legal process. The gov't term "illegal alien" is the correct term, and "alien" is the old English word for foreigner, hence "illegal foreigner"
Get a dictionary Gio, "alien" has nothing to do with old English, it is a latin cognate from "alius". "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:40 AM:
" I am not surprised that the Racist Junta of Lodi have come out swinging to defend a racist while ignoring the writers simple plea to recognize a group of people as human being
Give me a break!
The writer set herself up to be ridiculed with her absurd, mushy headed rhetoric. Anyone who uses terms like "warrior for human liberation" in a town like Lodi should expect to be laughed off the page.
It is incumbent on any writer to communicate in a manner that will be well received by their audience. "
Giovanina wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:36 AM:
As T & C explained, immigrants go through an immigration process, a legal process. The gov't term "illegal alien" is the correct term, and "alien" is the old English word for foreigner, hence "illegal foreigner".
Only in the minds of the illegals, and their law breaking advocates, do they think they are "immigrants". All illegals broke the law by coming into the U.S. while avoiding that legal process.
And illegals do more damage to U.S. citizens and legal residents than illegal plumbers because they weakening our constitution as a whole, and devalue our civil rights. Illegals are getting away with actions that are clearly for citizens and legal resident. They do this through ID fraud.
Majority of illegals in the U.S., and especially California, come from Mexico, sorry it is a fact. There are illegals here from all over the globe, including Canada, but they just don't visibily go out in the streets demanding civil rights. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:35 AM:
And Mexico does not get Billions of dollars from Illegal Aliens who work in America do they Leonard?
The Irish have sent billions of dollars back to Ireland over the years and yet the net impact of Irish immigration on the American economy has been massively positive.
This in spite of decades of horrific racism against the Irish who were portrayed as shiftless, lazy, drunken baby making machines.
Have you ever seen pictures of the old signs that used to hang over the doors of bars on the East Coast that read " No Dogs and No Irish"? "
dogbark wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:27 AM:
Mexico has a history of corrupt politicians suppressing the people.
That is why so many flee here. True compassion would be to force change on the leaders of Mexico, instead the J D Santoyo's of the US harbor the victims. Hey, why not, it's easier. "
bonsai03 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:26 AM:
T C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:25 AM:
" T & C, this is not an either/or situation. You seem to think that because I am not buying into your demonizing of undocumented workers, that I somehow support their entry into the country. Not the case. I only put forth that the situation is complicated and will not be improved by all the stereotypes and name calling."
voter, you & I know this blog will be beaten too death with comments both pro and con on the issue of illegal aliens, so let's "Cut straight to the point":
Are you for or against Those across our border filing for citizenship, waiting in line, paying the fees, learning to Read, write, and speak Enlish, learn our laws and customs, passing the citizenship test and assimilating into our culture, or are you for "Illegal Immigration"! "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:21 AM:
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:20 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:15 AM:
"With the possible exception of the slave trade, immigration, over the long term, if not the short term, has always added to America's wealth. This is a matter of historical fact."
And Mexico does not get Billions of dollars from Illegal Aliens who work in America do they Leonard? If Congress amended the Constitution to stop Money transfers to Mexico, do you allege that 12 Million plus illegal aliens would still remain in America? "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:14 AM:
gray cloud wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:13 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:12 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:11 AM:
" Leonard, I see you've had your cup of coffee this morning! Do you deny that the more children an illegal mother has, the LESS likely she is to be deported? Do you deny that the more children she has the greater DRAIN financially on our social programs, and health care and schools they will be, all the while she refuses to apply for citizenship? That is not being racist as you would like to infer. It is stating a fact! It is a stategy to avoid DEPORTATION!
With the possible exception of the slave trade, immigration, over the long term, if not the short term, has always added to America's wealth.
This is a matter of historical fact. "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:11 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:09 AM:
" voter, you can't possibly disagree with my saying that if Mexico's corrupt government would just FIX their own countries problems and thousands of kidnappings and murders and Billions in drug sales, that hispanics would have no reason to Invade another country's borders!
And if it started raining gold coins we would all be rich.
Look at the history of Mexico over the last 200 years and get real.
There is no use in wishing for things that simply are not going to happen. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:09 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:07 AM:
" T & C, the government will only allow work visas for jobs in which it is determined that there is a shortage of qualified citizens."
Congratulations voter, after much posting you have SOLVED the "Illegal Alien" crisis!
Let them apply for citizenship like the rest of the world must do! Living NEXT to our border doesn't give them any RIGHT to invade America by the MILLIONS! "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:05 AM:
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:04 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:02 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:02 AM:
It seems to me that Having Nino after Nino, not working and NOT filing for citizenship is simple Illegal Immigration!
What I don't get is why you have to complicate your argument with all the hate rhetoric.
There are plenty of native born citizens who don't work and over breed. Just look at octo mom.
The only relevant point in your sentence is the one relating to an individuals immigration status. "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:58 AM:
" T & C, I was only responding to your comment that immigrants should obtain work visas legally. It's very difficult for a foreigner to obtain a work visa for jobs that are not highly skilled and specialized. Applying for a work visa is a separate process that applying for citizenship. A citizen does not require a work visa."
Ok voter I see where you are coming from! What you are saying "in a nutshell" then is that if Hispanic citizens simply applied for the right paperwork, they would HAVE NO NEED TO INVADE AMERICA!
It seems to me that Having Nino after Nino, not working and NOT filing for citizenship is simple Illegal Immigration! "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:56 AM:
Last time I checked, Rush Limbaugh was LEGALLY in America, not hiding nor using someone elses name & SSN#!
Check again.
Rush's immigration status may be legal but his drug smuggling and consumption have been far from legal. "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:55 AM:
" T & C, it's just not that simple. That's not how things work. The process of receiving a work visa requires that you already have a job secured in advance of entering the country. This would require employers (meat packing plants, restaurants, hotels, farms, etc.) to confirm that an offer of a job has been made to a foreigner because there is a shortage of citizens qualified to work in this occupation'"
Are you telling me voter that employers and mexican citizans cannot network thru a computer? Good Lord, do you make it seem so complicated! "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:54 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:53 AM:
" Now we are getting somewhere. Thanks for that contribution, gator.
Lets see. How about we call Rush Limbaugh a drug addict instead of a victim of substance abuse. The label does make a big difference in how we view people."
Last time I checked, Rush Limbaugh was LEGALLY in America, not hiding nor using someone elses name & SSN#! "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:51 AM:
" Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a drug
dealer an unlicensed Pharmacist!!! "
LOL! " "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:50 AM:
An apple is an apple. An apple will NEVER be a pear; no matter how much you would like a pear!
The answe voter is simple, if only you open your eyes.
Illegals who return to Mexico, apply for citizenship, pay the required fees, LEARN to read, write and speak English, pass the exam, become LEGAL immigrants, seek and obtain employment instead of then Violating America's laws, ARE all welcome. So the line is long for immigration! Are you saying because there is a long line at your bank teller window, that you should pull out a gun and rob it because you don't want to WAIT in line like everyone else? "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:47 AM:
" T & C, it's just not that simple. That's not how things work. The process of receiving a work visa requires that you already have a job secured in advance of entering the country. This would require employers (meat packing plants, restaurants, hotels, farms, etc.) to confirm that an offer of a job has been made to a foreigner because there is a shortage of citizens qualified to work in this occupation. "
I think we can all agree that the current system does not work.
It is the discussion of how to fix it that gets dicey. "
sam wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:46 AM:
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:45 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:43 AM:
http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2009/03/13/news/1_velazquez_090313.txt
here is your higher level of discourse. "
Gator wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:38 AM:
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:37 AM:
" This thread started out in a respectful tone, but we all know where it is going as soon as the racists have had their morning coffee.
Obviously, the country has an immigration problem. We depend on immigrants for all kinds of work and then demonize them for coming to perform it. We need a new solution".
Voter....Let them apply for work visas legally...and when the season is OVER "RETURN to their home in Mexico"; and America would have NO Illegal immigration crisis at all! But they REFUSE to apply for citizenship, and they REFUSE to go back to Mexico! I hope that ANSWERS your question! "
T & C wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:30 AM:
Never post a letter to the Editor if you don't want to see life as it is not as the way you think it should be! A immigrant is someone from another country who applies for citizenship, pays the fees, studies hard for the citizenship exam, passes the exam, works at at what he or she does and assimilates into America's society. They have studied HARD to be proficient at Reading, Writing and Speaking English and pay their share of Taxes, and don't "Feed off of America's programs!" I'm sorry but your letter came off all WRONG "Illegals do NONE of the above, are a huge drain on our economy, prisons and Maternity wards of hospitals! No benefits should be provided to illegals! In truth they should GO BACK HOME and apply for citizenship the LEGAL way that the REST of the world has to do! Shame on you for feeling 12 million people who are too lazy to Apply for citizenship and Wait in line should be called by any other name then ILLEGAL ALIEN! One is either a Legal Immigrant or an Illegal Alien! That is not being RACIST! "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:23 AM:
Lets see. How about we call Rush Limbaugh a drug addict"
I am shocked by your impudence! How dare you call the Leader of the Republican Party a drug addict???
May the Spirit of the Mighty Rushbo strike you down where you stand! "
Audi 5000 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:18 AM:
In a healthly society, criminal activity is shameful, embarrassing, discouraged, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The illegals don't understand this concept because it does not exist where they come from. Look at the mess their countries are in. Are those systems to emulate?
People like Santoyo keep redefining what is PC. Their labeling becomes archaic and must be redefined over and over. Crazy! Who can keep up? Who cares?
Santoyo assumes farm workers are all law-breaking Mexicans. What about the law-abiding Mexicans and non Mexicans who are employed by farms? How racist and insensitive of you.
If we are to thank anyone for our produce, it would be the farmer, who has invested in the land, money, equipment, time, and all the materials required to grow the crops. Anyone can pick them, I did as a high schooler. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:11 AM:
Lets see. How about we call Rush Limbaugh a drug addict instead of a victim of substance abuse. The label does make a big difference in how we view people. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:06 AM:
" Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a drug
dealer an unlicensed Pharmacist!!! "
LOL! "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:06 AM:
" It would be interesting, Safeway, to get a list of all the behaviors you would list as criminal. How about contracting without a license? Would you call Joe the Plumber a criminal
Chuckle....
I certainly have suffered much more damage from illegal plumbers than I ever suffered from illegal aliens. "
Gator wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:05 AM:
dealer an unlicensed Pharmacist!!! "
LodiSafeway wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:51 AM:
Your letter smacks of hatred, Ms. Santoyo; mostly toward the man with whom you disagree most. I wonder why that might be. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:46 AM:
LodiSafeway wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:41 AM:
We've just witnessed an incredible display of economic disaster from Sacramento. How much of the tax increase we will all soon be enjoying would not be necessary if our own infrastructure wasn't overburdened by those who have no right to be here in the first place? Clearly, our health care system is hit hardest; followed closely behind by our education system that has seen layoffs here in Lodi that many would consider unbelievable.
The issue needs to be addressed; but not to the extent that we need to spend more money trying to figure out the best way to identify them without hurting their feelings. It's how to close the borders and then rid ourselves of the rest. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:38 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:36 AM:
" No, Ms. Santoyo, the use of the term "illegal alien" is nowhere near dehumanizing. It doesn't define "who" these people are; just "what" they are.
This is an interesting and important distinction. "
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:34 AM:
lenny_pone@hotmail.com "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:31 AM:
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:30 AM:
Onelastthing wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:28 AM:
In other words, they take many jobs away from more qualified AND people of legal status, and the PC crowd demands that we sweep this under the rug. "
Onelastthing wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:24 AM:
LodiSafeway wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:21 AM:
As for the vegetables on our tables, Ms. Santoyo, there is no empirical data to prove that with the absence of these illegals that our produce won't get picked. But I have a solution in the event that the industry is harmed. For those illegal aliens who cross over our borders more than once (the first time they should be simply sent back), off to a special work camp they go! And their daily job for the duration of their sentences: picking vegetables! While that might drive down the price of these commodities, we still need to address where these people do their most economic harm - at our hospitals. Wouldn't California be in better economic shape if they obeyed the law? "
Onelastthing wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:20 AM:
Anyone that is opposed to Sheriff Arpaio's mission AND obligatiion to protect us from these people either don't care or they are ignorant of the economic strain these people put on this country. It's quite chilling what the statistics are on the crimes committed by Illegals. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:16 AM:
Onelastthing wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:11 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:04 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 AM:
" Maybe I am the only one so far that is trying to see the writers point, and I am not a far left tree sitter. And yes, the presence of these people in the US is "illegal", I understand that too, but labeling them as "illegals" IS dehumanizing.
I disagree.
These people are immigrants who immigrated illegally. Thus, "illegal immigrants".
That said, even if we were to ignore the facts, this is a semantic battle that simply cannot be won, at least not in the Central Valley and probably not in any border state. Those who try to fight it are simply hurting their personal credibility and the credibility of their larger cause. "
Onelastthing wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:00 AM:
As for voter, well, my dad's family came over here from the Ukraine. As a grandson of immigrants I take offense at voter's inferences about demonizing immigrants. I suspect voter may not agree with Sheriff Arpaio's attempts to curtail the influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico. It is no coinicidence that the vast majority of the illegals entering AZ are Hispanic. How is it he is racial profiling, according to his PC opponents? "
WCPatty wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 AM:
Some immigrants are here illegally, thus the use of the adjective " illegal" to differentiate them from the many immigrants who worked hard to be here legally. "
wtf wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:45 AM:
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:37 AM:
Obviously, the country has an immigration problem. We depend on immigrants for all kinds of work and then demonize them for coming to perform it. We need a new solution. "
voter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:33 AM:
steve wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:33 AM:
Bulldog wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:21 AM:
I have worked in the fields with these people, and yes they are by and large very good, hard working individuals. That still does not justify their breaking the immigration laws. This is the inescapable point that you cannot ignore.
Just becuase these people (yes - human beings) perform a service to a couple of industries in our country, it does not mean they have all the rights of citizens.
Unless the laws are changed, these aliens continue to be illegally in our country. The proper definition is illegal alien, and it is not dehumanizining or racist to say so, it is descriptive. "
jramagic wrote on Mar 16, 2009 7:08 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:43 AM:
Leonard wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:42 AM:
BLAM!!!
And that, my friends, is the sound of a mushy headed far far left liberal rhetorically shooting herself in the foot.
Ms Santoyo, you may be imagining that there is no country and instead a brotherhood of man but the rest of us live in the here and now.
I may not like everything Joey Gizzard has to say on the subject of immigration but I am certain that this letter will only serve to make him and his fellow travelers stronger. "
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