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Woodbridge residents are worried about panhandlers in front of their businesses

By Ross Farrow
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 3, 2009 6:24 AM PST

Charles Stocker's grown son Tim said he was hit up for spare change by panhandlers twice in one day on a recent weekend in Woodbridge's business area.

And Stocker says he encountered the same situation himself a week later.

Reports of people panhandling for money — something new to Woodbridge — have surfaced in the business area on Lower Sacramento Road.

It apparently hasn't happened too much, but it's been often enough that it was addressed at last week's Woodbridge Municipal Advisory Council meeting.

Stocker, who lives in Woodbridge, said that on the weekend of Feb. 14, one panhandler sitting on a bench outside Woodbridge Crossing on Lower Sacramento Road asked his son for money. A few minutes later, Tim Stocker was approached by another panhandler, this one in front of Rosa's Market on Augusta Street off Lower Sacramento Road.

And a week later, Charles Stocker said he was asked for money by a man, again outside of Woodbridge Crossing.

Restaurant owner Keily Herd, said no one has ever asked her for money, and she's never had a customer complain.

In other action

The Woodbridge Municipal Advisory Council heard a proposal by Woodbridge commercial property owner Mark Newfield on Thursday to construct a two-story building in the business area and sell classic cars.

Newfield said he plans for the ground floor to be a showroom with five or six cars, mostly muscle cars, on the east side of Lower Sacramento Road at Mokelumne Street.

"My lifetime dream is to buy old cars and sell them," Newfield said. "If I sell one a month, I'll be happy as a clam."

Therefore, traffic will not be an issue, he said.

The second story would be used for offices.

Woodbridge MAC chairman Tasso Kandris said that questions were raised about the possibility of traffic congestion on Lower Sacramento Road and about the building's architecture.

Residents said they want Newfield's building to be consistent with the 19th-century ambiance of restaurants like Cactus and Woodbridge Crossing and not sport a modern motif like the ARCO gas station to the south.

Newfield, who lives on the property, said his building would have the rustic exterior that the two restaurants have. He has submitted a site plan to the San Joaquin County Community Development Department.

"We need businesses in downtown Woodbridge," Newfield said.

News-Sentinel staff

However, some people who may be homeless hang around outside Woodbridge Crossing almost every day.

"They come in and use the restroom here," Herd said. "They're always respectful. I think they don't really have another place to go."

Employees at Rosa's Market and Woodbridge Pizzeria said they were unaware of anyone begging for money in the business area.

But Kathi Ostenberg, a hair stylist at Hair Mill in Woodbridge's business district, says she has seen some. Nobody had asked strangers for money until recently, but two or three men came into the hair salon and asked for money, Ostenberg said. They were refused.

"I've seen them pick up old cigarette butts and smoke them," Ostenberg said.

Members of the Woodbridge Municipal Advisory Council looked for answers at its meeting last Thursday, but they learned that panhandling is legal.

San Joaquin County Sheriff's spokesman Les Garcia said on Monday that it would be hard to enforce panhandling laws. Deputies can arrest panhandlers if business owners post "no loitering" signs on their buildings, but the only way the law could be enforced is if the act is committed in front of an officer or if someone is willing to make a citizen's arrest, Garcia said.

Panhandling in Woodbridge seems to be limited to weekends, Stocker said.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

Cogito wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:31 PM:

" Daniel, a panhandler is a noble step up from a lawyer. "

danielh wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:54 AM:

" I could be out there next. "

danielh wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:54 AM:

" One of these days, I hope to see some ex-lawyers panhandling. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:00 PM:

" There used to be a panhandler outside AT&T Park who had the most creative signs. My favorite was "family kidnapped by ninjas - need money for karate lessons."

He was always friendly and kind to kids. Unfortunately he was hit by a car and killed last year. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 4, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Lodian, you ADMIT to shopping at WalMart! Bahahahahahaha! "

Absolutely! How else would I have formed my opinion about Walmart....AND Super Walmart? " "

Lodian wrote on Mar 4, 2009 3:27 PM:

" Robb: I was clarifying an earlier comment. "

Robb wrote on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM:

" Some of the panhandlers are scary looking men that should **NOT** be approaching women that are alone in a parking lot. "

And that means, what?? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 4, 2009 10:28 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Lodian, you ADMIT to shopping at WalMart! Bahahahahahaha! "

Absolutely! How else would I have formed my opinion about Walmart? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 4, 2009 10:26 AM:

" edumacation wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:52 PM:

" Lodian I agree with you 1000% on this one. If I see them loafing about pestering customers I won't go to that restaurant. I have an idea! Lets walk them to the nearest Realtor so they can buy a house with no money down. With the bailouts on the way, they will feel rich and will have a roof over their heads. They might even become overnight real estate tycoons like the TV realtor informercials? BUY NOW---and become a millionaire. NO MONEY DOWN just sign here. No payments for 6 months and if you buy today we'll throw in a weeks worth of groceries and a new car or boat of your choice. "

edumacation: Actually the ones making the big bucks right now are the people doing loan modifications. Some of these people are now ripping people off by charging huge fees to represent the owner in a loan modification. A tip...you can call the bank/company that owns your loan and ask to do a loan modification yourself. They work with the homeowner. The loan mod rips offs don't tell you to call on your loan yourself first. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 4, 2009 10:20 AM:

" Some of the panhandlers are scary looking men that should **NOT** be approaching women that are alone in a parking lot. "

Robb wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:11 AM:

" some people become homeless by chance, Most of those remain homeless, by Choice.. "

WCPatty wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:45 AM:

" Poorineastside: I no longer live in San Joaquin County, but I am sure you can call the county's human services to find one as well as numerous churches. "

shockedinlodi wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:01 AM:

" If you do not believe in giving to pan handlers then buy some boxes of Girl Scout cookies. The Girl Scout sales are way down and they could use the money. Just a thought. "

accountable wrote on Mar 3, 2009 10:13 PM:

" Stocker now look what you have started. I bet everyone who has complained about these type of people have borrowed money at one time or another in their life. Is this not the same thing give the poor people a break everyone is so judgemential and so stereo type it's not funny. Go sell tools Tim. "

Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:18 PM:

" Edumacation, good point! I know a local self-employed appraiser, who is a little proactive in dealing with his income downturn. He just made over 40K on a couple of month flip. It can still be done! "

edumacation wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:14 PM:

" Cogito- Good points! I have heard that some realtors have been trying to collect unemployment benefits. Maybe they should buy a few houses and flip them? "

Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:44 PM:

" P.S. Reality, I've learned not to feed stray cats the hard way. They're like relatives, if you feed them, you have a hard time getting rid of them. "

Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:41 PM:

" Reality1, you never know, some of these people may be loan officers, realtors, car salesmen, construction workers who need money to go home to Mexico, stock brokers, or Republican politicians. There are a lot of people down on their luck these days. Come on, pony up a few bucks for your fellow man. If you have your hand out to me, I'll gladly buy you a beer. "

Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Lodian, you ADMIT to shopping at WalMart! Bahahahahahaha! "

pooreastside wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:13 PM:

" WC Patty please share directions to this food pantry where you donate. The last I heard the pantries ran low or out of food. "

pooreastside wrote on Mar 3, 2009 5:10 PM:

" I will try this again since my last posting mysteriously vanished.
Most panhandlers are really down on their luck. They don't hurt anyone. If you don't want to give them money, don't, but don't put them all in the same class as lazy bums. There are plenty that are looking for easy money, just enough to get by. "Interesting" makes the best points ever. I came close to being homeless several times, don't use alcohol or drugs, but sometimes stuff happens anyway. At 62, I sure hope someone would at least buy me a burger if this happens. Don't give money, give food if you are so paranoid. "

WCPatty wrote on Mar 3, 2009 3:27 PM:

" When I am approached, I tell them I donate to the food pantry and give them directions to it. I believe in charity - but not supporting someone's bad habits.

Also, there is an increasing amount of high school and college kids who are far from homeless, but find panhandling a more fun way to get "party money". "

reality1 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Cogito,Kolona25,Interesting let me know where you dine and shop. I could end up with some food, cash and booze. Why the hell work. You people are nuts. I bet you feed wild cats in the neighborhood. Give them a few prayers while your at it. Reality is they are non motivated bums waiting for the bleeding hearts to come by. "

PAL wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:54 PM:

" CONTINUED:
I was told that they make a minimum of $100 per day. Now that was a lot more per month than what I was getting paid for putting in 10 hours a day. "

PAL wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:52 PM:

" I managed a restaurant years ago and made friends with 2 panhandlersm both in their early 20's. They would sit across the street on an exit from a grocery story with homeless, will work for money. I once asked them if anyone takes them up on the offer of work. He says if they do that he and his friend do not go as they make more money per day sitting there than anyone would pay them for the day.
Boy, did that open my eyes wide.
Because of that I no longer give to any panhandlers. "

edumacation wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:52 PM:

" Lodian I agree with you 1000% on this one. If I see them loafing about pestering customers I won't go to that restaurant. I have an idea! Lets walk them to the nearest Realtor so they can buy a house with no money down. With the bailouts on the way, they will feel rich and will have a roof over their heads. They might even become overnight real estate tycoons like the TV realtor informercials? BUY NOW---and become a millionaire. NO MONEY DOWN just sign here. No payments for 6 months and if you buy today we'll throw in a weeks worth of groceries and a new car or boat of your choice. "

Wowerzz wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:36 PM:

" COGITO..I agree with ya...whats a few buckz...hey they'll spend it on alcohol....SO WHAT!!!...people we gotta keep the economy goin....lolol..imagine how many people those couple dollars are going to benefit..the clerk,store, delivery man, his company, Manufacturer...so on & so on....help with the TIPSY MOVEMENT.. : ) "

dogs4you wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:40 PM:

" Homeless are that way for many reasons and I really don`t care what they are. I can defend myself if necessary, but for women, big 5 sells Pepper Spray and could be a women`s best friend, if needed, and no licence is needed to by it. "

deblaw wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:28 PM:

" effa56???
gerald and buhela? Really! "

Lodian wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Some of the panhandlers are scary looking men that should be approaching women that are alone in a parking lot. Journey is right about not returning to a store/business that often has panhandlers around. Sometimes they even watch and walk up before you get out of the car. This happened to me in the Walmart parking lot area. It was a little scary. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:43 AM:

" Journey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:28 AM:

" Personally, I never return to a business where I am approached by strangera in the vicinity. It's a matter of personal safety. Vendors could end this practice by getting together and hiring highly-visible security along with posting no loitering signage. "



I agree. "

Interesting wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:27 AM:

" It blows me away how many people are so quick to judge others. You have no idea why those people are on the streets and have no food. There are times when things happen that are out of your control, that send you into a tail spin. Only by the Grace of God has it not happened to you or me....you should think about that! And if you don't want to give them $ a nice "I'm sorry, not today" is sufficient.... you don't have to run away from a business to get away from them! That is ridiculous! "

Interesting wrote on Mar 3, 2009 11:24 AM:

" Journey, you stated that the vendors should get together and hire a security guard.... maybe you don't realize the economy and that business are barely staying afloat without the extra cost of a security guard. These people are usually not criminals or horrible people, they are just down on their luck. Why not give them your doggy bag on the way out? Near my work, we have a lot of homeless people, I see them getting cans and bottles out of the garbage to recycle. I just smile and say "good morning" they aren't bad people. "

Kolona25 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:58 AM:

" My husband and I sometimes offer to buy lunch for people who ask for money instead of just giving them cash. They often refuse because I don't think they are actually hungry. I have even been told by a homeless person on the streets of San Francisco, "Never give money to a homeless person, they will just spend it on alcohol" and then he pulled a bottle of tequila out of his jacket. "

Cogito wrote on Mar 3, 2009 9:09 AM:

" During the 80s I had a panhandler approach me for money. I told him "No' you're just going to spend it on drugs and alcohol". Then I got to thinking, "heck, that's what I'm going to spend it on". So I gave him 10 bucks. Really people, what's a couple of dollars to you if you're going to spend 75 dollars on dinner and drinks. Give the needy person a couple of dollars and say "God bless you". You'll feel better, and if it helps him or her make it through their day, does it really matter how they spend it? Remember, that panhandler could be Jesus. "

effa56 wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:41 AM:

" they use bars resturants and stores because they know people have money to spend this need to be stopped now. i know gerald and buhela herd never let this happen when they ran the fuel. ms herd need to put a effort foward to stop this before some one gets hurt or robbed. good luck to all of woodbridge "

Rhodie wrote on Mar 3, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Be glad there are some areas in the south where the panhandlers are starting to go door to door. "

edumacation wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:55 AM:

" Journey: I agree! This behavior is what brings in the rest of the bums. My rule is that if I ever see panhandlers in front of a restaurant, retail store or bank, I will refuse to enter. I want a safe environment. Having these "street people" begging and "hanging out" makes me uncomfortable. I recommend that the few establishments in the area, expecially the gas station post trespassing and anti-loitering signs. County areas like Woodbridge have their own sheriff patrols. They can respond within a short time to these threats to peace. "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:52 AM:

" I've found that panhandlers will return to the places they have the most success. If people are giving them money or food in front of these businesses...they'll be back until people quit giving. "

Journey wrote on Mar 3, 2009 6:28 AM:

" Personally, I never return to a business where I am approached by strangera in the vicinity. It's a matter of personal safety. Vendors could end this practice by getting together and hiring highly-visible security along with posting no loitering signage. "

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