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People can find an excuse for doing almost anything
Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:16 AM PST
I have to agree with Roy A. Marrs and his reflection on same-sex unions in the Dec. 27 paper.
Proverbs 21:2 — "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord ponders the heart."
People can find an excuse for doing almost anything, but God looks behind the excuse to the motive of the heart. (Is it selfish?)
We need to identify our motives first and then ask God if it is pleasing in any way to Him.
God cannot make mistakes, nor can he lie, and his word does not change.
God gave his sons life to pay for our sins, and to show us the way to salvation.
Deuteronomy 28:1 — "If you obey the Lord's commands, He will set you high above all nations, and blessing will come upon you."
Read in Deuteronomy 28 about blessings and curses, and ask yourself where we are headed.
Thank you.
Joann Lee
Lodi
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Rhodie wrote on Jan 14, 2009 8:08 AM:
I agree and back up Biblical teachings, and have done so on many occasions. These are the only things I agree with Real Facts on but not his methods and tones of how he delivers the message. An issue I have challenged him on repeatedly.
I realize most of the blogs with him and I have moved into the nether regions, but if you can find a place where I agreed with him, more than a terminology clarification or a biblical teaching, then please point it out.
In fact I'll leave that an open invitation. If you EVER find a posting I make where I am agreeing with Real Facts on something other than Biblical teachings then please point it out. "
Lodian wrote on Jan 14, 2009 1:54 AM:
" Lodian, I have only been around for a few months but have disagreed with Real Facts several times..."
The fact is that most here associate you with real facts as you agree with him, and back him up, on so many occasions. That's the truth. You can make the choice to not side with such a twisted human being, but that's up to you. Time will tell if you have come to your senses. Good luck. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 13, 2009 10:44 PM:
Hardly a cottage industry.
And I never said I don't quote others, I said I form my own opinion. Again a misrepresentation of what was actually said Which is why I think Billy gets so offended at me. Not only am I a Christian thus representing all things evil in his mind, but I point out his deliberate attempts to subdue opposing views with inacuratly attributing words to bloggers or maliciously misquoting them.
Reasonable discourse is only possible when both parties can accuratly represent the words used. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 13, 2009 6:11 PM:
This is an absolutely untrue statement, Rhodie and you know it. You have made a new cottage industry quoting another blogger while simultaneously denying that you do it out of your other face.
I'm fairly confident that the possibilty of reasonable discourse between us is zero - you have no desire to listen to reality, I have no desire to listen to fantasy.
And so with that I will leave you to revel in your dishonest ignorance. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:50 PM:
When it comes to these boards the only opinion I keep is my own. I have disagreed with Real Facts as much as Billy, but since you blindly follow Billy you don't see that.
My opinion of Billy is based on his repeated misprepresentations of what I have said, on his choosing the abosolute worst interpritations of the words as possible. Like when I said we are all equal, gave a range of behaviors and he choose to regurgitate through to here that I think he and his are nothing but thieves when that is nowhere close to what I said. As he CLAIMED here here: Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM:
"with you thinking I'm an unrepentant sinner, a thief, child molestor and animal buggerer (as you have said repeatedly)"
And disipite this being a completely malicious attack on what I have said, you suppport him. What does that say about you? "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 13, 2009 4:42 PM:
If I come across a board where he has said something offensive and there are many posts (ten posts past where the issue has been dealt with) between what I would post and where the conversation has gone to then I usually decide not to say anything so the conversation can continue. This is the same criteria I use for everyone here. There have been many times I feel like posting in regards to what someone says but don't because the conversation has moved on and I don't see a purpose in dragging everyone back to what has been dealt with already.
In some instances I will add my two cents worth if it is something that needs to be said as I did with the whole conversation about what people "deserve" and the use of the word "assasination" for example. "
Lodian wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:29 AM:
Lodian wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:25 AM:
" And have you ever chimed in against something Billy has said? "
I believe I have disagreed once or twice with Billy on these boards. You seem to want to gloss over the evil things RF has said and done while attacking Billy. That's just cowardly to me, but you have the right to be a coward if you so choose. "
Lodian wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:22 AM:
If you agree with real facts in all that he has to say and all that he does then that is your choice. At least own it like a real man. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:46 PM:
And we all know you have repeatedly argued that religion, which includes Christianity breeds insanity.
To take it to the absurd as you have often done then following your logic that people who believe there is more to this world than we can see are insane then we all should be locked up in a mental ward. Of course I don't think there is a ward big enough to fit the 70% of the country that does believe.
And lets not forget that you don't think Christians should be allowed to vote thier beliefs in elections so you are also an advocat of taking the right to vote for the 70% of the population as well.
You must be right I'm obscene for calling everyone one equal, after all your the epitomy of justice with you banning or committing Christian's across the board. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 12, 2009 7:39 PM:
I was not around for throwing gays in jail or they should be aborted fetuses or fired from their jobs, but given your inability to acuratly represent what was actually said, at least what I have actually said, then I cannot condemn anything because I do not know what was actually said. And I won't comment on things that may be three years old.
The referance to your commenting I said I was a famous author was just an example of how you are incapible of acuratly representing what someone that disgusts you says. You may think I am a bigot because I think everyone is equal but you are more so because you see everyone who doesn't bow to your deliberate misrepresentations as inferior to you. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:17 PM:
Is it spinelessness?
You can't even acknowlege those statements I listed, much less condemn them or chastise the Christians who made them.
Is that how you raise your kids?
That it's OK to speak of killing people because the are non-believers or gay? To accept that gays should be fired from their jobs or thrown in prison because of their sexuality? But you better damn well not call someone famous! NO SIR! THAT will NOT be tolerated!
Rhodie, you're obscene. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:09 PM:
Saying you were a famous author was really hurtful and it IS exactly the same as the items I listed, isn't it? Exactly.
murdered people/famous author.
See? no difference.
As to Reverend Fruitcake's sex with his daughter, I'm afraid you've fallen into your playmate's trap again. He apparently loves to fantasize about his daughter because he mentions it several times a day - however, I never said what he claims; he likes to repeat that I did, but it's his lie to tell and who am I to spend my time trying to make him do anything, much less begin telling the truth?
Now, if you think YOU remember me saying it, go ahead, repeat exactly what you think you remember me to have said. If not, tell the Reverend's lie. I honestly don't care. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 12, 2009 2:12 PM:
How about in the deliberate misrepresentations of what has been said to prove your point. Just in my case you have claimed I said I was a "famous" author when I said no such thing and recently said that it was I who said that gays were child molesters and animal buggerers when I have never said anything close to that. How about when you state that I think all gays are thieves when you know I said we are all equal, at least in my eyes.
And those are the examples from my memory in just the past few months. Lodian has been backing you up for much longer than that. Hence my inquiry as to her about if she has ever disagreed with you on here as I have with Real Facts. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 PM:
You mean like when I said Christians should be executed daily? Oh, wait, that was your friend that said that about non-believers and gays.
Or when I said Christians should be rounded up and hauled to prison? Nope, that was your buddy again, saying gays should be jailed.
How about when I said Christians should be aborted as fetuses? Oh, wait, that was another of your friends talking about gays.
Maybe when I said Christians should be fired from their jobs? Uh, no, that was one of your people, too, talking about gays.
Was it when I said Christians were the same as thieves? Actually, no - that was you talking about gays.
Maybe when I said Christians are the same as child molesters and animal buggerers. But I didn't say that, your fellow Christians said that about gays.
Well, Rhodie, I give up. You tell ME what I said. Except that religion causes insanity; which is true. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 11, 2009 8:43 PM:
Lodian wrote on Jan 11, 2009 4:06 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Jan 9, 2009 2:59 PM:
If you remember my questions to him from the other article (which has since been bumped off the lists) where I asked how he would deal with people in person (using you and Sam as examples) you would know I think he does not treat people the same here as he would in person. I have also gone a couple rounds with him over his abrasiveness and it's potential harmful affects on casual readers.
On the other hand I do believe that everyone should have the right to passionately defend their belief system. But I'd rather discuss with energy with someone who is completely against what I believe but is respectful than converse with a similar believer who is disrespectful. Whether it be Walmart, Biblical truths or the evils of the Build-a-bear Corp. "
Lodian wrote on Jan 9, 2009 12:12 PM:
Rhodie: So it seems you believe that RF treats others here how people should be treated in person. I disagree. The only one that deserves to be treated as RF treats others is RF himself. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:48 PM:
You will notice I have not defended him but rather clarified statements made. On another article I have even challenged his attitudes against some here.
"you want me, for some reason, to react in a less adversarial manner."
All I want from anyone on here is to treat each other as they would either if they were face to face or as they want to be treated by others. If I were in on a conversation where either party was relating incorrect information I would correct them regardless of if we had common idiocy or not. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:41 PM:
If I had read his statement regarding AIDS as a judgement I would have agrued against him, just as I did that the California wildfires were judgement from God.
The only discussion I remember of his where he talks of people "deserving" something was the one in which I referanced earlier. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:16 PM:
The first one was on the now-defunct LNS discussion boards when he stated that AIDS and other diseases were sent here by God as punishment for sin and people who contracted fatal diseases deserved to die for their misdeeds.
Arguing is futile - if you read it when he wrote it, you are now lying to defend him.
If you didn't read it when he wrote it, why say anything?
Reverend Fruitcake has said gays deserve to die from AIDS, he said the current financial meltdown is because California allowed gay marriage, he wrote MANY times that gays should be imprisoned and he wrote that gays and non-believers should be executed daily.
You, Rhodie, can take the putrid, fetid path I expect you to take and rush to his side to defend him, because he believes the same delusional idiocy you do and you want me, for some reason, to react in a less adversarial manner.
Why? "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:09 PM:
" Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 PM: People who contract disease, according to the New You, deserve to die because they're bad people"
In the original conversation Real Facts asked for a better word than "deserves" and "facing the consequences of" was areed to be a more acurate term.
So people who engage in a behavior face teh consequences of that behavior. I hace the consequence of high blood pressure if I eat junk food. I face the consequence of diabetes if I eat too much candy. I face the consequence of STD's if I sleep around. I am not a victim of any of these things if I choose the behavior that leads to it. Is a skateboarder a victim of a crash if he/she attempts a stunt? No, they engaged in a risk and face the consequence. By posting this I face the consequence of condemnation from those who think everyone is a victim if unpleasant things happen to them. "
real facts wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:56 PM:
surprise surprise, billy the ever so integrity giant of life didn't accurately replicate what i DID say, and lied again.
gee, the Christians are going to get mad at me for calling you a liar again.
poor me
what i DID say about homosexuals and AIDS is if a homosexual passes him/herself around and aquires AIDS, they sure aren't a "victim" of the disease
would you like to expound on the "victim" vs "choice" debate?
oh yeah, you ran away from that one for nearly 3 years
sound familiar billy? "
real facts wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:50 PM:
nope. NEVER said or implied that, and that's another nail in your coffin as far as demonstrating that your life is "normal".
perversion has rotted your soul to it's farthest depths
your a sick semblance of a human being to even utter those words, but what's more "perverse", is all those people who are not only silent when you do utter the gutter, they still SUPPORT YOU.
your a zero, i know that. what's MORE telling......is "them" "
real facts wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:46 PM:
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gee, here is another strength-laden-billy-ism "truths", yet homosexuality is so "normal"
never said ANYWHERE/ANYTHING CLOSE to implying i was, and once again your a debased liar
pretty funny. someone like you attacks a believer in Christ and i have YET to see another Christian stand up for me.
all the other Christians do is chide me for calling you what you are.....a liar
maybe i should send you some flowers billy? "
real facts wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:38 PM:
i answered it after BOTH of you hit and ran me on it
i like how you lie, but then you turn around and lie about history, events and people, and then you claim your choices are "normal"
in the dictionary, there is no word "strength" included in the description of the word "lie" "
real facts wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:32 PM:
Remember how only a few short years ago you couldn't quite make yourself say it; it took you nine months").
what can one expect from a guy that bases his whole existence on a lie?
the truth from you? i would drop dead of a heart attack from witnessing you getting even CLOSE to replicating ANY truth.
once again, your pathetic attempt at lying about me.
did you "forget" that for the "nine months" i had you cornered over that little shell-game you thought you were going to play me on?
that "nine months" you refused to answer a question i challenged you on first, so you couldn't skate from it, by witholding certian aspects of your "question" to me, which that answer would have let you off the hook.
you can't blame your pathetic life on me "
real facts wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:19 PM:
gee, another shining example of billy perpetuHATING that homosexuality is "normal"
instead of the guy defending his position in life, OR dismantling his opposition, what does the king of perversion run to in order to "normalize" homosexuality?
MORE PERVERSION
the space below is reserved for all those people that will CONDEMN this kind of human garbage
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oh never mind. NO ONE ever has in 3 years. why start now
billy, the king of "normal" "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 7, 2009 7:59 AM:
I can believe gay behavior is wrong and sinful without thinking they are all child and animal molesters as you accuse me of thinking. In fact I stated several times I don't condemn gay person because for all I know they could otherwise be a very noble and honorable person.
It is you who sees the attack in everything said about gays. Which is ironic since you are very fast to launch into condemning and arrogant verbal smackdowns, "Happy delusional visions and prophesies to you"
In fact you percieve and attack so fast I started wondering a while ago if you had truely accepted who you were since all you see of yourself through others eyes is a victim of attack. Point granted that a couple of posters here are as agressive as you are against Christians. But I have also seen you jump to attack the bystanders. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 7, 2009 7:00 AM:
And, no, I don't count myself among thieves and other criminals because of some ridiculous religious dreck, Rhodie. You are free to wallow in that swill and, if it makes you feel better, keep calling yourself a bad, bad boy.
Bad Bad Bad .
I bet there's an image of a stern-faced nun (or priest) in your head while you flagellate yourself.
Happy delusional visions and prophesies to you. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:21 PM:
You either have me confused with someone else or are deliberately misrepresenting me. I have made no such comparison of you or anyone else in the homosexual community. I also never called you a thief. I did say you , me and a thief are all equals because we all do wrong. Sorry if you don't see yourself as equal to your neighbors.
"I say men wrote it,"
Speak as someone who has had personal visions and prophesy come true I can easily see how, while man's hand may have written it, God ordained it. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM:
But it makes no difference, Rhodie.
You claim God, creator of the universe wrote it and every word is deliciously true in every way, I don't believe it; I say men wrote it, plagiarized parts of it, re-wrote it and edited it to serve themselves.
You, and those like you, think everyone must be bent to its (and your) will - I think you're insane.
And that's pretty much where we will stay, with you thinking I'm an unrepentant sinner, a thief, child molestor and animal buggerer (as you have said repeatedly); and I'll go on considering you an ignorant blue-nosed prig for doing so.
Sounds fair to me. "
Rhodie v2.0 wrote on Jan 6, 2009 5:20 PM:
Here you have demonstrated you complete and total bigotry for anything Christian. I have never met or heard of any Christian who thought the bible was the "complete" work of God.
And if you watched the specials you would have seen that a couple of the books they talked about were dupilcate versions of a book already in the Bible. Others were attributed to authors but were completely against what was known to be from them. A few were found to be attributed to authors (like Judas) and found to endorse beliefs contradict Christ teachings. A few were outright forgeries.
And as much as you despise the the Catholic Church but it is because the Church is so concerned with finding the God's word that we even know about these extra-scriptural writings. The Church spent so much time debating and analysing them that the writings are preserved. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 5, 2009 3:12 PM:
Remember how only a few short years ago you couldn't quite make yourself say it; it took you nine months.
Since then though, you've come a long way - all the way to claiming you ARE God. That you ARE His spokesman, delivering His secret messages to those you hate the most. You claim to BE His executioner, desiring non-believers be killed off. People who contract disease, according to the New You, deserve to die because they're bad people.
Face it, Fruitcake, you're just a demented nut with delusions of godly grandure. "
real facts wrote on Jan 5, 2009 1:23 PM:
just like it happens in modern times, whether that be "preachers" on TV or in the pulpit, EVERYONE at some point or another gets measured and eithers reaches solidarity status, or gets "tossed".
pretenders to the faith back then, big whoop
and now, THROUGHOUT history in AND out of Christianity and the entirety of humanity, your "CHOICE" is and will ALWAYS be "perverted"
you lose again.
would you like to "try" some more?
you keep forgetting this is the big leagues billy, and you only possess minor league "skills" "
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 5, 2009 12:39 PM:
You've always maintained, along with the other self-proclaimed religious experts, that the bible is the perfect and complete work of God Himself.
Now you're talking about books being removed. How can this be???
The bible is either the work of the Creator of the Universe or it's not. It is a "yes" or "no" proposition.
The bible is either whole and perfect as it exists today or it's not.
All you religious zombies must suspend reality to make your crazy stories work. "
Rhodie wrote on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM:
Lodian wrote on Jan 4, 2009 4:10 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 4, 2009 11:20 AM:
Do you have a comment about the letter or comments to the letter?
Or is this just going to be another blog hijacked by 375 consecutive posts from you, calling everyone in the city of Lodi an evil liar and how you are the most christian, godly, christian-christian in the whole wide world? "
TheRealFacts wrote on Jan 3, 2009 7:03 PM:
The commandments, "Do not commit adultery,"
"Do not murder,"
"Do not steal,"
"Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (NIV, Romans 13:8-10) "
flamerinlodi wrote on Jan 3, 2009 4:45 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Jan 3, 2009 9:46 AM:
Other hyper christians here @ LNS blogs are very vocal about their ferverish need to imprison, torture and/or kill non-believers with whom they disagree, how about Joann Lee? Is she christian enough to run with the Big Dogs for Jesus of Lodi?
Maybe she can explain the mistakes and contradictions in the bible? No mistakes, eh? She has *got* to be kidding. Only someone who has never read the bible would make such an ignorant statement.
She hides behind selected passages of "scripture" (to the exclusion of others) as a "free pass" for her own hatred and bigotry. "
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