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Richie Fagan, left, of Victory Outreach International, talks about his past drug use to Ismael Colin and Julio Varges on Friday during an outing by the street evangelists. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)
Minister takes to the streets to recruit new members
By Maggie Creamer
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Friday, November 28, 2008 9:13 PM PST
On Friday afternoon, a van stops and parks in an apartment complex near the intersection of Central Avenue and Vine Street. Its doors swing open, and six men spill out carrying amps, cords, mics and promotional flyers.
The men unravel cords and plug in audio equipment as they get ready for an impromptu rap concert in which David Valdez and other volunteers from Victory Outreach church will spread their message against gangs.
Once the keyboard and amps are set up, one of the Victory Outreach members grabs a mic, throws a hand up in the air and starts spitting lyrics to a song he wrote.
Intrigued by the music, Julio Vargas, 15, and Ismael Colin, 14, pop their heads out the door of a nearby house. The two soon find themselves in a conversation with Peter Minor about Victory Outreach.
Minor tells stories about how he used to be an alcoholic, and encouraged the kids to forget about the streets. Both teens nod their heads and hold the Victory Outreach fliers in their hands. After Minor leaves, Vargas says he might attend the play today.
"They got me curious with the rapping ... I thought 'What? This is church?'" he said.
Victory Outreach picked two locations on Friday to set up their speakers and recruit passersby for the show today.
The ministry's reach in the community is what makes it so special, Victory Outreach member John Smith said. Instead of waiting for people to show up, the minister and his followers head out into the streets.
"I used to be a heroin addict, and I wanted to clean up," Smith said. "Now I got a car and money and can live a successful life."
Valdez, the group's leader, spoke to an audience of about 20 children and adults about the power of God and how it can help one avoid the violence of the gang life.
"Always looking over your back and looking over your shoulder," Valdez said. "There is a way out."
While Vince Villanueva was rapping, Orlando Tapia, 10, rolled back and forth on his skateboard and listened. He wants to go to the play today and has a postcard about the event ready to give to his mom.
"I want to hear more about DJs and going to church," he said.
Even 7-year-old Jose Fuentes understood Valdez's message.
"That guy is talking about Jesus," he said.
While Vargas doesn't know if he will join Victory Outreach, he said it couldn't hurt because the street influences are strong where he lives.
"It's hard living around here," Vargas said. "You gotta be in a gang. If you aren't in one, you're nobody."
As Vargas spoke, two police officers pulled up and talked with Valdez. There was a noise complaint and so the concert had to end, Valdez said.
Valdez said he was not surprised because his events often end because of complaints. But instead of calling it a day, he gathered the volunteers and told them they were off to Wal-Mart to pass out fliers.
Smith said he is happy to be in Lodi helping Valdez grow Victory Outreach's membership because of the minister's no quit attitude.
"I'm here because my people need help," Smith said. "We are all a family."
Contact reporter Maggie Creamer at maggiec@lodinews.com.
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Robb wrote on Dec 7, 2008 11:58 AM:
real facts wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:21 AM:
" ... nor is the word "homosexual" in the Bible. "
Lodian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:03 PM:
" Brian: The word homosexuality is not in the Bible. ").
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lodian, always hiding behind the skirts of others, because her agenda matters more than her OWN personal knowledge, knowledge which has the brevity of eternal life attached to it, and she STILL is too lazy to think for herself as she would rather parrot the lies of others.
exactly like lodian's post to leonard earlier in this blog about leonards scripture that didn't even apply in the first place, and she high fived him WITHOUT knowing what it truly meant.
maybe lodian can explain what the singular words "homo" and "sexual" mean, especially when they are attached to each other to describe an act? lol
homo (meaning sex within same sex "participants") is all over the bible, and it is condemned everytime
since lodian now claims to be a "biblical scholar", maybe she can now set us straight on whether or not scripture condemns same-sex sex?
laughing "
Brian wrote on Dec 7, 2008 9:08 AM:
That's good enough for me. "
Brian wrote on Dec 7, 2008 9:03 AM:
" Lodian 2:06 - That's a provocative comment from a person who seems obsessed with supporting this aberrant and ABNORMAL behavior!
-Yep, And I feel the thinking among many homosexuals is if they are allowed to marry, THEIR fornication will no longer be immoral. "
edumacation wrote on Dec 6, 2008 6:26 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:06 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:04 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:03 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 2:02 PM:
Brian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 1:00 PM:
-Yes, but the jist of the fact that Jesus did not use the word Homosexual when he condemned immorality/fornication/adultry lends Leonard to believe Jesus purposely left it out because Jesus had no problem with homosexuality. Indeed Leonard does tend to re-define Biblical principles. "
real facts wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:31 PM:
have you ever in two+ years seen either one of them adjust TO Gods authority?
anyone that consistently fights against the standards of God as their FIRST move, is nothing more than a pretender to the faith.
i could care less how much trouble it's gets me in, i am not afraid of telling the truth about people, especially when the authority of God is at stake, and the "phonies" seek to undermine it by implying you "are" following God while purposefully re-defining straight up biblical principles.
in dealing with your comment about leonards erroneus "biblical" position on homosexuality, remember, Christ himself DID speak against homosexuality when he condemned sexual immorality/fornication/adultery "
Brian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 10:28 AM:
" Great post, Leonard. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:31 PM:
" Matthew 6:5-6 "
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
-I'm not sure if Lodian and Leonard actually believe praying in private is the only way God will reward them. "
Brian wrote on Dec 6, 2008 9:53 AM:
-Likewise Leonard. You have taken issue on numerous occasions of people quoting scriptures of God saying it is immoral for a man to lay with another man like they are out of line to suggest God actually meant this. It always boils down to your belief "that since Jesus did not speak out against homosexuality 'verbatum' in the New Testament he must not have had a problem with it. "
edumacation wrote on Dec 5, 2008 6:30 PM:
Robb wrote on Dec 4, 2008 2:26 PM:
whatever YOU say.. "
real facts wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:33 PM:
" Leonard....
HWMNBN
Loves it! ").
i am sure you do, but laugh all you want, and pretend you don't "see" what i type in regards to your choices, because at the end of the day, you STILL can't justify your choices before God, and that will NEVER have anything to do with me anyway.
what you could do is pull a leonard and tell the board that you are "blocking my posts" so you "can't read them", and then you would still respond to them anyway.
laughing
anyway, high five yourselves and make up little scenarios all you want amongst yourselves, because "if" i did accurately replicate Gods word straight up about your behaviors, you won't be able to blame me why you didn't adjust
love, HWMNWABNABUCHY "
Lodian wrote on Dec 4, 2008 9:30 AM:
bobbyg wrote on Dec 3, 2008 11:18 PM:
HWMNBN
Loves it! "
Cogito wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:45 PM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:36 PM:
real facts wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:35 PM:
" There are several "stands" in regards to "christ", another is that he was most likely a great man, but in the end, a man no the less.. ").
he was a man, but a man that claimed to be God who came in the flesh after telling the world he would hundreds of years BEFORE he did, literally fulfilling over 300 (+/-) prophecies about him in doing so over his lifetime
you couldn't count the amount of "men" who throught history have claimed to be God, but you CAN count only ONE that proved he was, by raising HIMSELF from the dead AFTER saying he would.
that historical occurance is backed up by eyewitnesses and even historians opposed to Jesus Christ.
look at the current news and world report magazine for this month, and even it confirms that Jesus Christ wasn't "just a man", and that coming from a publication that is notoriously against Christianity
HE is God, and eventually EVER knee will bow before HIM.
hopefully, willingly "
Lodian wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 AM:
Cogito: It's weird how you did not pick one of the MANY other opposing views (such as the one you later noted here) to debate yet chose my three word post in agreement with Leonard's post of a bible verse.
The funny thing is that ultimately we agree about this group and what positive things they are doing for the community.
All along you were barking up the wrong tree.
Don't let it happen again. ;-) "
Lodian wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:59 AM:
WCPatty wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 AM:
You can see examples on these boards why some people have come to resist preachers.
I am glad there are people like your Dad who are sincerely trying to bring people to God, and are actively doing good for their community. "
Cogito wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:50 AM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:08 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:52 PM:
" You don't have to be my toady to fight the good fight against HWMNBN.
Fighting the good fight against trollism is the duty of every upstanding regular on these blogs.
Don't feed the trolls should be our motto. "
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WELL SAID, LEONARD! I AGREE 100%!
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Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:50 PM:
Again, I agree with Leonard's comments when he says, "Fighting the good fight against trollism is the duty of every upstanding regular on these blogs". And just so you are clear, that was about "hwsnbn".
Maybe you should stop trying to make something out of nothing and instead address the nothing (aka: hwsnbn) that wants to be something here by bullying everyone. "
Cogito wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:21 PM:
Leonard wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:15 PM:
Fighting the good fight against trollism is the duty of every upstanding regular on these blogs.
Don't feed the trolls should be our motto. "
Cogito wrote on Dec 2, 2008 8:14 PM:
Robb wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:55 PM:
real facts wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM:
" RF: Are you actually going to speak on this topic?").
do you think you can actually ever tell the truth about something, rather than lying about something or somebody just because you don't like them? you never will lodian.
case in point, i DID comment about what mr. fagan is doing when i said he IS making a difference by being willing to do what others wouldn't do, and when i was defending mr. fagan against the likes of you prior to you attempting to cover yourself.
you know i DID comment about it, but lied anyway
if you really DO want peace in these blogs, then you will make a concerted effort to not pull this stuff, so i don't have to make sure you own it.
comments like yours is an insurance policy of my presence. as long as you do, i will "
real facts wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:16 PM:
" RF: Are you actually going to speak on this topic? You remember what happened the last time that you persisted to personally attack and bully others, right? You got the boards shut down. Now no comments are allowed on certain topics. Behave yourself so we can post on all topics someday. ").
actually, the truth is that YOU are the one that got that ball rolling, by pulling your fore-warned antics, followed by my forever promise to make sure you people own your stuff.
the last fallout of these boards is directly linked to YOUR behavior lodian, because without the antics that you/others pull in here, there would be no need for "me".
you just happen to think that you can say what you want to shut people down, whether or not that it's packaged in an underhanded fashion via leonard's posts in here and YOUR solidarity with him.
i could care less what happens to me in these boards, in that EVERYTIME you guys pull your stuff,....i-will-make-sure-you-own-it, and whatever happens, happens "
real facts wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:05 PM:
i have, and always will, highlight people that pull that in here, and you happen to provide consistent "material".
you continue to claim you "are", yet your posture/verbage is ALWAYS one of shutting someone down, instead of what should be a move of solidarity.
noted within your consistentcy is the fact that when the spotlight on you does come on, you then switch gears and act all innocent, as if your motives toward these issues are "pure"
when you add up all the things you say in here regarding these issues, it's one of attempted silencing, and that's the truth about you completely apart from me. "
Leonard wrote on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM:
He seems to want to talk to me s-o b-a-d.
Unfortunately, I have no desire whatsoever to talk to him.
Rejection... I suppose it stings.
:( "
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:18 PM:
real facts wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:31 PM:
once i highlighted it, you backpeddled and attempted your "PR" save face move
you can say anything you want about me to deflect away from your own faux pas, but the truth remains you dissed what mr. fagin was doing, and that move says once again that your a phony "
Leonard wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:14 PM:
" Cogito: I thought Leonard was directing his comment at "no name". I agreed with him (in what I thought he was saying) and thought it was a perfect response.
He Who Shall Not Be Named is definitely the sort of person I was thinking of. Their supposed piety is a gimmick aimed solely at getting attention for themselves.
They do not love Christ, in fact their lives are wasted in a struggle against his very message. "
pk08 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:15 AM:
the event was great..the santuary was packed out over 500 people went and there was about 200 people that went up to the altar call n about 75 of them gave their lives to god. my dad (pastor david valdez) and my mom (alice valdez)are going to start visiting the people who signed the follow up cards. i know n you know that there was party in heaven cause over 70 people surrendered to the lord that night. my dad says "it was worth spending all the money they spent on that event, cause there was a GREAT respnse!!" "
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:00 AM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:58 AM:
" Lodian, so what you are saying is that you will make an ignorant statement just to get the goat of he who shall not be named. I get it. "
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If you notice, one of the three words in my post said "Leonard"... meaning the post was directed at Leonard. If someone else's goat was had then so be it. I can't be responsible for everyone else's goat. "
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:55 AM:
Actually, I thought Leonard's comment was brilliant and right on target. That's why I chimed in with agreement. "
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:51 AM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:41 AM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:39 AM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:06 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:37 AM:
"Wow, what an awesome group. God bless you all."
And the second...
Lodian wrote on Nov 29, 2008 8:37 PM:
"Great post, Leonard."
Leonard can explain his comments to you if he likes. My comment was directed at the poster right before Leonard's... ya know, at "the one who shall not be named".
Get it?
Anyway, it looks like you've made a friend in "the one who shall not be named" and have now got him on board with you. Great, thanks a lot. ;-)
Now, I am wondering if you will be taking the others to task. You know, the ones with blatant comments opposing your views. It's sort of weird how you swooped in on my little comment and totally misunderstood me.
Hope this clears it up.
Play on... "
ls wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:58 PM:
ls wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:55 PM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:36 PM:
Leonard wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:22 PM:
You WERE calling Mr. Valdez a hypocrite.
To my regret. It is a knee jerk reaction brought on my over exposure to the sort of people that Christ was addressing in Matthew 6:5-6.
You know who I am talking about.
To Mr. Valdez, I can only offer my apologies and my thanks for doing a job that many others would look down on.
God Bless. "
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:59 PM:
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:46 PM:
" Lodian, why don't you take your little buddy Leonard to task? ").
you couldn't point to one time in lodian's history in these blogs where two things have EVER happened...
(1) where she picked truth over people
(2) where she apologized for ANYTHING
your not holding your breath are you cogito?
it makes me livid that people like leonard and lodian pull their masquerade show, while attempting to squelch something pure......especially someone who is willing to actually make a difference in arenas of life THEY complain about in these blogs......(i.e. "gangs")
unbelievable "
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:38 PM:
Hey, if you don't like the Scripture, take it up with God. ").
i would be totally remiss had i taken a pass on the opportunity to remind you leonard, of the gazillion times YOU were confronted with Gods word in this exact fashion, only to turn it aside.
how many times in over two years have YOU cherry-picked Gods written word for ONLY the aspects of it that fit your liberal agenda, when it was actually replicated IN it's context?
when it IS in context, no man picks and chooses what parts they like, and what parts "doesn't" fit their agenda "
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:31 PM:
Hey, if you don't like the Scripture, take it up with God. ").
the scripture reference you gave wasn't even in the ballpark to begin with concerning what this guy was doing.
according to YOUR silencing attempt of this guy, if it was left up to you, we real followers of Jesus Christ wouldn't even have Gods word had it not been for men like mr. fagan
God calls the "fagan's" of the world to go where there is a need, and fill that need on the level the people you are sent to go to, are already on.
rapping isn't necessarily my thing either, but it meets these kids at their level, and that's exactly what God does.
at least your consistent leonard, pulling scripture out of context and using it AGAINST people in an attempt to shut them down, when all along the scriptures you do use, ALWAYS are completely out of the ballpark intent/context wise.
once again, you have ZERO idea what you are talking about, while attempting to silence Christians "
Leonard wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:38 PM:
I may have been a little too hasty in my rush to judgment. "
Leonard wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:35 PM:
" Lodian, Leonard referenced scripture that says: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites , for they love to pray standing in the Synagogues and on the street corner to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go to your room,close the door and pray to your Father who is unseen. He was calling this guy a hypocrite! You agreed! End of story!
Hey, if you don't like the Scripture, take it up with God. "
JustTheFacts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:04 PM:
I think the vast majority of the people in this community greatly appreciate what your father is doing. Please pay no mind to the few bloggers on this site that have spoken out against him. "
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:21 PM:
dogbark wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:49 PM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:24 PM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:03 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:59 PM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 2:19 PM:
pk08 wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:54 PM:
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:49 PM:
" real facts: Maybe you can actually make an "attempt" at some sort of real contribution to the blog instead of your comments ALWAYS coming out in an attack of others ALL THE TIME. That would be great. Have a nice day. ").
"my contribution" to these blogs is to sit in silence and watch them until someone like you and leonard try and highjack Gods truth by claiming you two are "Christians", and then doing everything you can to shut these scenarios down.
that's what i do........highlighting what others do and say, to insure that doesn't happen
i told you before, you guys don't diss the things of God, i won't be in these blogs taking you to task.
i would only be "watching" "
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:42 PM:
My home is a peaceful place and should be the one place I'm safe from religion. It's bad enough I have to deal with it being shoved down my throat once I leave it. ").
once again, these people are not going door to door. they are interacting with kids that live in that enviornment that could possibly go in that direction someday. you know that, yet you are using this opportunity to take out your anti-God hatred out on this blog and the subject matter
furthermore, i have some very bad news for you, in that you cannot escape from God in your own home.
there is not a place you can go, where God is not there "
Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:37 PM:
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:36 PM:
while there are ALOT of money grubbing "pretenders" out there using God for personal gain (especially so on television these days), even your hatred filled heart against God cannot lie that there ARE some people in this world that have pure motive, that care enough about the potential destiny of young people that they will make personal sacrifices to reach out and make a difference in others
i bet the list of the things YOU do in this world to make a difference in other peoples lives is virtually blank
the truth is you would be too afraid to even walk thru any of these neighborhoods mr falin does, let alone stop and talk with someone IN THEM "
Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:30 PM:
Lodian wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:29 PM:
" Ok, Leonard, Lodian, and everyone else who are slamming this guy."
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Cogito: Exactly who do you think I am "slamming"? I think you may be jumping to conclusions. "
real facts wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:26 PM:
" Matthew 6:5-6 ").
here we go again, despite leonard claiming in past blogs that he is a "Christian", what is leonards FIRST move?......to SHUT DOWN anything that remotely points in the direction of Christ and HIS word, especially in an area that WILL make a difference in a persons life via that word
leonards "scripture reference" was aimed directly at shutting down richie falin's ability TO turn young lives around thru the transforming power of Christ
lodian high fived leonard right after his post above, and she has claimed the same thing in other blogs (about her being a "Christian").
these two do and say NOTHING that would piggyback Gods word, but instead when given an opportunity to do so, they DISS IT.
pure consistent phony ain't behavior pretenders
true followers of Christ don't pull what these two do. anyone that attempts to squelch Gods ability to transform lives thru HIS word is nothing more than a phony PERIOD "
Rhodie wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:23 AM:
I guess I mixed my intended comments in the previous post. The impromptu concert would be annoying in my neighborhood simply because this is a quiet neighborhood. If I lived in an area where gangs were prevelant then any group with a plan to help the members out of the bad situation would be welcomed as long as they took into consideration the people living in the area that are not gang members.
The water bottle comments were more for doing something positive in the community to get your church's name out as a response to someone's comments about recruitment activities. "
pk08 wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:03 AM:
Cogito wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:44 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:28 AM:
WCPatty wrote " While the intent may be positive, I don't agree with setting up a rap (or country either, Rhodie) concert in a residential area to solicit followers. If I was trying to relax at home and unwelcome music was blaring outside, I'd be irked."
I completly agree. I like what the New Covenant Tabernacle was doing Saturday with handing out the water at Hutchins and Kettleman. It wasn't intrusive and there was no "sales Pitch" but rather just a "we're new tot he community and here we are." And the kids appreciated the water as we hunted for Christmas trees. "
WCPatty wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:16 AM:
A little respect goes a long way. "
WCPatty wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:11 AM:
JD wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:53 AM:
Cogito wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:22 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:37 PM:
" Freedom of speech is all fine and well but if someone sets up an "impromptu rap concert" outside my apartment, I am calling the cops. "
How about an impromptu Country concert? "
Rhodie wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:35 PM:
" Great post, Leonard. "
Leonard wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:31 PM:
" Matthew 6:5-6 "
The verse is in referance to prayer not to preaching. But you were close in the Book of Matthew but chapter 10 16-20 would have been more appropriate to the situation. I'll make it easier on you:
"16"Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. 17Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, 18 and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. 19 When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you." "
edukater wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:11 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM:
The root of this soliciting is money and validity. The more members you recruit, the more money and validity you bring to your cult...I mean cause. "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Nov 30, 2008 5:52 PM:
My home is a peaceful place and should be the one place I'm safe from religion. It's bad enough I have to deal with it being shoved down my throat once I leave it. "
dogs4you wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:13 PM:
DavidD wrote on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM:
If they wanted to help the community, they'd rap and pass out flyers about volunteering or learning or getting a job staying off the streets. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:22 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:40 AM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:27 AM:
begsbelief wrote on Nov 30, 2008 7:51 AM:
We can politely refuse to listen and say 'no' to leaflets.
We seem to shout about things when there is no reason.
Where would we be if we took the freedom of speech and the freedom of printing news away? "
Lodian wrote on Nov 29, 2008 8:37 PM:
Leonard wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:31 PM:
real facts wrote on Nov 29, 2008 2:57 PM:
any mention of Christ within your earshot automatically throws you into a tizzy. maybe you should stop to figure out why that is, and why it "bothers" you so much.
besides, these people didn't come knocking on YOUR door, nor anyone elses.
funny how YOU demand that people can't say anything about Christ, as if YOUR viewpoint is the only one that matters.
i used to crack up when i read in these blogs how "we" were bullying people like you "
stuckinlodi wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:58 PM:
I guess you would rather have "door to door" gang members. By the way, they don't knock, and they hope you are not at home when they visit.
The church members are doing something to help Lodi, what have you done lately? Oh, that's right, you complained in LNS about people trying to do good. "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:51 PM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 29, 2008 6:37 AM:
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