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Obama's victory is historic, but now the real work begins


Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:03 AM PST

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The election of an African-American President of the United States is certainly historic.

But Tuesday, the American people gave Barack Obama little more than an opportunity to serve. As he said last night in Chicago, the challenges we face are "the greatest of a lifetime — two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century."

There is so much to admire about Barack Obama, the child of a mixed-race couple who quickly divorced. He was raised by his grandparents and received just one advantage in life — an education that he pursued with determination and which he parlayed into a meteoric political career.

Though new to the national scene, he assembled a campaign organization that ran flawlessly. They out-maneuvered the vaunted Clinton organization in the primaries and buried Republican opponent John McCain's fund-raising apparatus in the general election.

Obama's rhetoric was calm and reassuring in the face of opponents who tried to paint him as incompetent and fearfully un-American. He focused on the issues we cared most about — the war in Iraq and the faltering economy — and seemed to leave most Americans with hope that he can make a difference.

He took advantage of the opportunities handed him by events. He exploited the nation's disappointment with President George W. Bush and remained calm and reflective while McCain tried to micro-manage Congress' emergency bailout of the financial system.

But in his acceptance speech last night in Chicago he seemed to foresee the difficulties ahead. He asked for the voters' understanding as he and his administration struggle with the challenges. He conceded that "government can't solve every problem."

McCain conceded the race with warm grace and a pledge to support the leader "of this great country that we both love."

We are encouraged by Obama's apparent humility and intelligence. We rejoice in the faith placed in him by Americans and people around the world. We pray that Obama's election is a final break from the past, the casting off of America's legacy of slavery and racism.

But what this election truly means will only be revealed in the future. Like McCain, we encourage support for our president.

When he takes us in the right direction, we must respect him. When he urges us in the wrong direction, we must speak out and ask him to think again.

What America accomplishes under the presidency of Barack Obama is not up to him alone. It is up to all of us.

— Lodi News-Sentinel

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Billy Rubin wrote on Nov 17, 2008 6:35 PM:

" This really deserves another post:

voter wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:11 PM:"This article explains exactly why Brian believes the way he does.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081110_america_the_illiterate/ " "

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Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2008 3:19 PM:

" Leonard must be off his lithium again. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2008 3:18 PM:

" Leonard wrote:
I can only conclude that Brian, Real Facts and conservatives in general like to sodomize live stock. Sure, I have no evidence (other than a hunch) to support this conclusion but a lack of evidence has never stopped Brian so why should it stop me?

-A response like this can only come from none other than a liberal who is painted into a corner.

Leonard, you do understand the difference between legislating from the bench and constitutional amendments? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:10 AM:

" sam: I was impressed (again) with Barack and Michelle on 60 minutes. It will be great to have such an incredibly intelligent president and first lady in the White House. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:36 PM:

"Voter, my ability to read and comprehend what I read is excellent."

"Anytime you feel game to challenge me to a IQ or comprehension test, I'm ready."

Brian: REALLY???? LOL!!! "

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voter wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:19 PM:

" Brian, did you read the article? It includes reference to well educated, highly literate people across the political spectrum who refuse to read and fact find on their own. But I guess if you didn't read it, you proved the point. "

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sam wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:06 PM:

" Hey Leonard, did you get a chance to catch Obama on 60 minutes tonight? It was worth the watch. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:52 PM:

" Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:02 PM:
" I can only conclude that Leonard, voter, and liberals, in general

Chuckle...

I can only conclude that Brian, Real Facts and conservatives in general like to sodomize live stock. Sure, I have no evidence (other than a hunch) to support this conclusion but a lack of evidence has never stopped Brian so why should it stop me? "

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Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:36 PM:

" Voter, my ability to read and comprehend what I read is excellent.
In reference to the article you posted about illiterate people; you know where you can take your implication that I fit what the article is saying.

Anytime you feel game to challenge me to a IQ or comprehension test, I'm ready. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:02 PM:

" I can only conclude that Leonard, voter, and liberals, in general, don't believe the Founding Fathers were wise enough to construct a document that could stand the test of time. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:56 PM:

" Pres-elect Barack Obama believes that the Constitution is a living breathing document to be updated and refined by the Justices on the Supreme Court. John McCain believes that the Constitution is a static document to be strictly constructed and interpreted by the Justices. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:53 PM:

" My biggest problem with those that believe the Constitution is living and breathing is that it is position that comes from hubris. After all, you aren't going to find one person that wrote the Constitution itself that believed that this document would update and change unless amendments were added. Worse than that, those that believe that the Constitution should be living and breathing then also believe that their judgment is better than that of the folks that wrote the Constitution. After all, how else can you explain that these folks want the Constitution to live and breathe and thus be updated as they see fit? It's only because they don't believe the Founding Fathers were wise enough to construct a document that could stand the test of time. "

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voter wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:11 PM:

" This article explains exactly why Brian believes the way he does.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081110_america_the_illiterate/ "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:58 AM:

" Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:03 AM:

You have a problem with judges legislating from the bench yet you voted for Obama

There is a difference between interpreting the Constitution and "legislating from the bench".

As far as legislating from the bench goes, though, Republicans are just as guilty as Democrats. Just look at the asset forfeiture decision. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 16, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:11 AM:

You'd never say the Constitution isn't a living, breathing document.

What are the Constitutional protections for electronically transmitted speech?

If a crime is committed in space, what laws apply?

If a computer program owned by one party creates thousands of copies of itself, who owns them?

The idea that the Constitution is a dead document that can only be evaluated in the light of original intent is, a priori, absurd. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Leonard, I doubt if your understanding of the Constitution would ever change even if your life depended on it.

You'd never say the Constitution isn't a living, breathing document. You and the entire Obamanation look forward to
altering the Constitution to fit your agenda. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Leonard wrote: That said, I suspect that you and I have different understandings of the role of the judiciary in the Constitution.

That might change if you were to ever read the Constitution. "

-You voted for Obama even though you know he wants judges to legislate from the bench.

Leonard wrote: Actually, I do have a big problem with this.

-I have read the Constitution. For Christ's sake Leonard, You have a problem with judges legislating from the bench yet you voted for Obama. He's going to piss all over the Constitution and you don't give a damn. Spiteful is a fair definition of your position on Bush. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 15, 2008 7:30 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:12 AM:

" The kids can handle competition just fine. It's the parents that can turn into nuts on the sidelines. "

-For once, I agree with you. It's the parents who need to groow up. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:12 AM:

" The kids can handle competition just fine. It's the parents that can turn into nuts on the sidelines. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Well Lodian we have that in common. Even our family fantasy football league can get pretty nasty. And getting beat on the golf course today by my bro will bug me for a while. aaargh "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:32 PM:

" Our family loves competition! :-) Bring it on! LOL! "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:16 AM:

" CEDAR RAPIDS,IAKevin Higgins always hated gym class. Like many of his classmates, he questioned the relevance of things like "exercise" and "physical fitness," and wondered if these skills would ever provide any practical, real-world benefits.Though he endured more than 720 hours of gym over 12 years, the 32-year-old accounting clerk said Monday that he has still never used physical education once in his life.

"I don't know why they bothered teaching us all that stuff," said Higgins,who since graduating has not once encountered a situation that required him to move his body at a sustained pace or keep himself in healthy shape."I mean, come onwhen will I ever need to physically exert myself for an extended period of time?"

Higgins is not alone.According to a recent poll, nearly 85 percent of all Americans admitted that, since entering the real world, they have found very few reasons to utilize the concepts they learned in physical education.In fact, most high school graduates claim that despite their gym teachers' insistence that this knowledge would come in handy later in life, they have still never used bending, breaking a sweat, or coordination. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:45 AM:

" To Leoanard: High school coaches are different category. Thats why many coaches are adjunct teachers. The mainistream are for the lowest common denominator. Look what bad shape these kids are in. Fat farms for grade school kids is the result. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:08 AM:

" edumacation wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:56 AM:

Did you know that one of the main goals for PE teachers is to thwart competition? Everyone gets an award, whether they were striving to improve themselves or were sitting on the sidelines talking. Thats the new edumacation! Try to instill the ideas of excellence, accountability or competition, and the teachers will freak out. They hate competition because someone always loses, and they think it will make the kids have low self esteem

Hmmm... that hatred of competition probably explains why so many former athletes become P.E. teachers.

The coach of a local high school football team attends my church. This guy hates competition so much, that he doesn't eat any salt for three days before a game on account of his blood pressure. He burst a blood vessel in his eye during one game last year but he doesn't care who wins or loses.

Nope, not at all. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:31 AM:

" wouldn't have made that comment. Either that or you're just trying to make somthin' outta nothin'.

You can call me a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative, but not a liberal or a conservative. I don't fit into your categories.

Farrier is here... Going for a ride. Later... "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:25 AM:

" edumacation wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:20 AM:

"Lodian: The 838 comment is for you. YOU are the one on these posts who classifies people has liberals or conservatives."

Really? When did this happen? LOL! You must not be reading any other posts but mine. How sweet. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Lodian: The 838 comment is for you. YOU are the one on these posts who classifies people has liberals or conservatives. I have more respect for someone who says "who cares?, there is NO difference". Whats the difference when a "liberal" party is run FOR billionaire bankers or a "conservative" party is run FOR billionaire bankers? Do you really think they care about party affiliation? Its ALL about power and control. The old "liberal" anti-war words "military-industrial" complex was actually coined by President Eisenhower who used it in his farewell address in 1961. His speech alluded to investment bankers, war profiteers, and power brokers like Prescott Bush and Howard Hughes (both "conservatives") who traded with the enemy. He had to wait until his last days in office to say what was on his mind. We need a President from either party who will stand up to these groups. Who would ever think that workers would have to pay taxes for a bailout of the Real estate and banking sectors? Our political parties need to be refocused and should stop the sloganeering. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:56 AM:

" To Brian: Here's a good one! Did you know that one of the main goals for PE teachers is to thwart competition? Everyone gets an award, whether they were striving to improve themselves or were sitting on the sidelines talking. Thats the new edumacation! Try to instill the ideas of excellence, accountability or competition, and the teachers will freak out. They hate competition because someone always loses, and they think it will make the kids have low self esteem. Low self esteem is nurtured via no competition, accountability or responsibility. Kids know who the losers are, and they also know who the winners are. Every child knows where they are in the pack. Its the edumacators who try to confuse them. So we can all sit around and sing kumbayah and be losers. One result is that as a child progresses through this catechism of liberal groupthink, they are not prepared for adulthood where COMPETITION is valued. Why try? We are all getting A's anyway. Discipline also suffers. Perhaps universal conscription for all young men, women and the "differently gendered" would help them to learn competition and discipline? "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:38 AM:

" Edumacation: Of course not. The word conservative used to define a person who also supports individual freedom and were adamantly against collectivists and others who use government to make a profit. Like the word "liberal" the word conservative also got co-opted. Todays Republicans are like Democrats of 20 years ago. The differences between the parties is almost non-existent. The new Neocons are more dangerous than the old big city Democrats. Pick any issue: The Dems seem to love the USA without any borders and no responsibility. President Bush has been dismantling the southern border for his illegal friends from the South. Twiddle dee and Twiddle dum. Corporatism or welfare capitalism was never a part of conservative thought. Today, workers are paying taxes to pay billionaire bankers who cheated and lost. Did they really "lose" or win? That's not Conservative, thats criminal. When a James Carville or Sean Hannity supports criminals, people think its okay to support them. The political spoils system should never support criminality. Thats why Ron Paul has so much support. Liberals hate those who ask questions and conservative hate whistleblowers. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:51 AM:

" Ok Lodian HOW is my expressing my dislike for Obama on this blog in Lodi not allowing your messiah to work? Geeez if you think that the entire country is going to fall in line behind this guy without even seeing him in office for one day you are living in a liberal dream world. About 45 percent of the country did not want this guy to be president. Please dont act like we are all suppossed to be in love with him. There is one thing though that you wont see at the inauguration that is mass protests against him like you saw four years ago for Bush. I guess you think all those protesters were giving him "a chance to work" right? There will be no protests, conservatives have too much class to make fools of themselves in the streets, and are also too busy working and being productive members of soceity unlike some professional protesters on the left. Anyway gotta go, got a 9:00 tee time. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:38 AM:

Ok Leonard, you have no problem with judges peeing on the constitution.

Actually, I do have a big problem with this. A good example would be the decision a year or two back on asset forfeiture in which all of the Justices except for Clarence Thomas found that the government has the right to take a citizens property without due process.

That was disgraceful.

That said, I suspect that you and I have different understandings of the role of the judiciary in the Constitution.

That might change if you were to ever read the Constitution. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:38 AM:

" Leonard wrote: My real animosity towards the man only began when he stopped peeing his pants and started peeing on the Constitution.

Funny

And Leonard doesn't have a problem with Obama's plan to appoint judges that will legislate from the bench.

Ok Leonard, you have no problem with judges peeing on the constitution. "

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Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:30 AM:

" Edumacation, Now the latest liberalism is if a team's score is much higher in a ball game in grade school than the other they lower the score as not to alienate the losing team. How can you ever teach children that losing is part of life when you have adults worried about their feelings get hurt? "

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Brian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:23 AM:

" voter wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Citizen, let me remind you that W. once had the highest approval rating in history--we ALL supported him. "

-Yep, and then he started doing things that only a liberal would do and liberals give him flack for this. That's the irony. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:59 AM:

" edumacation wrote "I don't trust the new "liberals", they are the same old socialists and communists of the past."
(Nov 12 @ 10:54pm)

You sound paranoid.

Do you put everyone into two categories (liberal or conservative)? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:52 AM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Who isnt allowing him to work? I do not agree with many of the policies he has said he wants to implement. Taxes, abortion on demand, gun control, etc. Ever heard of a little thing called freedom of speech? "

You asked my opinion. I delivered my opinion.

You can respect someone and still disagree with them.

McCain asked you to offer your support and respect to your new president.

You asked, "Who isnt allowing him to work?"

Well, "you" are not allowing him to work. Obama was only elected a week ago.

You choose not to give our new president your respect before he even gets into office. Why? "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:54 PM:

" To ctizen: The classical definition of the word "liberal" included the hallmarks of individual freedom, individual rights and individualism. Today, "liberals" pride themselves on restricting speech, behavior and discussion so tht it fits their narrow definition of politically correct speech. You can talk or discuss anything all you want until you use words or allegedly code talk all defined by liberals. An exmaple is the word "abortion". Libs changed it to "choice". If you are offended by criminals, you are not allowed to talk about it, because they are in a "protected class" of "persons needing rehabilitation", not that they are murderers or rapists. Because liberals imply that ALL crime perpetrated by its favorite cultural definitions is cause by "instututionalized racism" or that so-called white people---whoever that is---are born with privileges that hurta "people of color"---whoever that is. I don't trust the new "liberals",
they are the same old socialists and communists of the past. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Who isnt allowing him to work? I do not agree with many of the policies he has said he wants to implement. Taxes, abortion on demand, gun control, etc. Ever heard of a little thing called freedom of speech? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:11 PM:

" citizen wrote "What exactly has Obama done so far to earn the respect you say I should give him?"

Do you automatically just disrespect people you meet? Give Obama a chance. I plan to do so. He has been voted in by your fellow Americans. He will now be your/our president. No one says you have to gush over the man (not in the least), but how about some good old fashioned respect for the man that is going to take on this huge mess in America. It won't be easy for Obama. He has asked that we elect him and we have done so. Allow the man to work. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:11 PM:

" okay "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:55 PM:

" citizen wrote "Lodian you are exactly right I am not here on these blogs every day. You see I have a job and dont have time to sit here all day complaining about every aspect of the Bush administration like some on this blog do."

Okay. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:06 PM:

" Lodian you are exactly right I am not here on these blogs every day. You see I have a job and dont have time to sit here all day complaining about every aspect of the Bush administration like some on this blog do. What exactly has Obama done so far to earn the respect you say I should give him? When or if he ever does anything to deserve it I will give it to him. Man you guys are this upset already when someone doesnt worship your guy, how are you going to make it through one or two terms? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:03 AM:

" citizen: Okay, it looks like you just want to get up on your soap box generalizing and whining about groups of people (ie; libs). And if you think I don't have thick skin then you haven't been here on the blogs for very long (LOL!). Anyway, none of that really matters. When you want to actually converse then let's do it! Until then I guess we get to hear you whine. Oh, by the way, I was part of that 85% approval rating of the president back in September 2001. He then steadily lost my support (big time!). And he has since been proven to be a very bad choice as the leader of this country.

Maybe you could look beyond your party and support our new president. He surely deserves your respect more than our current lame duck. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:06 AM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:18 PM:

You see we developed that after 8 years of your constant complaining about Bush. I cant seem to remember you libs ever supporting him like you expect us to do now.

I had no particular problem with Ol Yeller Bush until 9/11 when he ran and hid like a little child while real men stood up to the plate. Even then, I supported the invasion of Afghanistan whole heartedly and I cheered when he promised that he would bring Bin Laden in "dead or alive".


My real animosity towards the man only began when he stopped peeing his pants and started peeing on the Constitution. "

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voter wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Citizen, let me remind you that W. once had the highest approval rating in history--we ALL supported him. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:18 PM:

" Hey Lodian just getting time to check back with you libs. I see you responded to me about that nerve at 930 on Nov 9 then again 12 hours later on the 10th. Wow my comment about hitting a nerve must have been right on. You guys have got to get a thicker skin. You see we developed that after 8 years of your constant complaining about Bush. I cant seem to remember you libs ever supporting him like you expect us to do now. If he shows me he will do a good job and not screw me by raising my taxes and giving it to the welfare class then maybe I will listen to you. Until then I have no confidence in him. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 11, 2008 6:24 PM:

" To Lee: Maybe the deaths of over 400,000 in the Sudan over past 4 years might get your interest? Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeC6S6bDTXI&feature=related "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:46 PM:

" To Lee: I suggest that you select a country and plan a visit for a few weeks. Do some study about your destination, don't go on a tour, and spend some time with the people. It will open your eyes, and you will see the threats that many here don't understand because of their myopic views of the world. Socialism, Facsism and Communism are dangerous and when a country starts to experiment with them, its like playing with a deadly snake. Soon they stop playing by "the rules", its ALWAYS ABOUT POWER. If you have a different experience and perspective its easy to see. Thats why I recommend to start visiting other countries. Don't buy that new car, its a depreciating asset. Instead, invest in yourself. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:22 PM:

" Lee: Those kids are cute and they look like they're having fun. The youtube video I posted was about ethnic pride, struggle and musical culture. Three of the song cuts of the video were awarded the African continent equivalent of the US Grammy. There are lots of stories behind it. I wrongly assumed a higher level of cognitive ability when I posted it. Mbilia Bil is a world famous (except for Lodi) Soukous singer from the Congo. Bil sings songs about the plight of women in Africa. Sudan is in turmoil partly because of human rights abuses toward women and is on the brink of another war. Many South Sudanese women have been seeking freedom and have settled in Oklahoma, Missouri and other US states. Bil's song Nakei Nairobi was a national hit in the Congo, Kenya and Sudan. It has been used as a theme song for many refugees. But, I guess its not worth the time of Americans to understand there are bigger issues than the price of Starbucks Latte's. BTW the 2007 runner-up to Ms Sudan was an American!
Sudan censors the internet. "

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Lee wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:44 PM:

" Now this one is worth the time for everyone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKQE4vtVrJI "

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Lee wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:27 PM:

" edumacation: That video was stupid. I regret even spending the time to watch it. I bet I could find a few worthless videos to show you too. LOL! "

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Robb wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:56 AM:

" exactly right, however, history always shows the greats in retrospect...

take clinton for example, he was popular when he was elected... now?? not so much. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:43 PM:

" Ivan, there's a little corporation called General Dynamics who take care of that now. If we let Detroit handle things, we get tanks like the ones built by Chrysler under Carter. Remember the ones that had to be overhauled after 70 miles of desert warfare? Carter (chuckle), what a genius. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:46 PM:

" t jefferson: good points! "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM:

" Ivan you are kidding right? This isn't WWII. Any war we have will be a come as you are war or the type of low level conflict we have in Iraq. The level of devastation that can be delivered in a short period of time precludes there ever being a need to do what was done in WWII. A low level of conflict means current methods will produce what we need. The old arsenal of freedom doesn't need to be resurrected just to make the UAW feel good about itself. The fact this is being brought up is a clear indicator that the UAW is still trying to live back in the 40s and 50s. I doubt GM could convert a plant to make M1A2 abrahms. I guess they can build B-17s and sherman, but the life expectancy of either would be measured in fractions of a second on today's battle field. A better question is can the US survive the UAW pension plan and how long before the state govt are BK also. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Who is going to build this countries tanks, armored personnel carriers and military trucks if the American Auto Industry goes under?

The Chinese? "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:53 PM:

" Which point A) or B)? A: Nice music and puts human experience with a politician. B: With this knowledge, how can Bernanke, Paulson, Frank, Dodd, Feinstein, Pelosi and GW Bush keep pushing the idea of mortgage bailouts and mroatoria on foreclosures. Its only going to stoke the fires of recession, deflation and a possible economic depression. Don't forget that interest amortization tables and the investors that fund the loans depend on the time value of money. There are few winners except the loan services, lawyers, realtors and some people in the middle. Everyone else gets injured because of greed. In our discussion the dirty word in all this is VALUE. Houses do not have a value in this paradigm other than speculative equity and interest. The best solution must involve dropping the prices of houses. The sooner, the better. Its the same problem with automobiles. You have depreciating assets that are also money pits that do not have the value that automakers tout. If they had value, people would buy them. Let the market work. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:16 PM:

" Okay, bring it home. What's the point? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:14 PM:

" edumacation: Is there a reason I should care about this Bel video? "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:51 PM:

" Here is his lnk:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/08/11/Wheelock.pdf "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM:

" lodian: Here is the second link. We are so lucky that we still have freedom of the press. I was talking today with with David C Wheelock who wrote this article. David is the Vice President of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. He has been receiving a lot of publicity in the WSJ and American Banker because of his research paper published only days ago on "State Mortgage foreclosure Moratoria during the Great Depression". Ben Bernanke and Henry Paulson are not happy about it. Please read it 2-3 times and let me know what you think. He agrees that many "productive" Americans are/will be emigrating from the USA during this mortgage meltdown. Its very scary, but we are not even close to the real economic meltdown awaiting us. Some of the investment bank cheerleaders behind this carnage are in Obamas camp, just like they were in the last sevaral administrations. Its not Republicans vs Democrats or Capitalists vs collectivists. Its Investment bankers against ALL of us, just like in the 1920's - 1930's. Maybe it has always beeen this way, and we never knew it? "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Lodian: If you like, I can give you info on getting an original of Bel (before the editing). The producer only has one copy left. The first cut-of the link-was a top ten hit in ~1985. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Lodian: If you like, I can give you info on getting an original of Bel (before the editing). The producer only has one copy left. The first cut-of the link-was a top ten hit in ~1985. "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM:

" To Lodian here is the link: Mbilia Bel performed in a celbration a few years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0xyn3AXHHw&feature=related "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:43 PM:

" to Lodian: Okay back to the spirit of cooperation. First I have a link for you to enjoy. Please watch all of it.

Second, I never said that Obama was intrinsically evil. I try to be an Objectivist. It is the the "handlers" in both mainstream political parties that are dangerous. Even the Clintons with there "horsepower" of knowledge and intelligence allowed these malcontents to control them. I hope Obama can withstand the malignancy that is hidden in his campaign organization. National politics is always about deals and quid pro quo. Rahm connived to ruin the Clintons, and he is back practicing his craft with Obama. "

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OTH wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:40 PM:

" It's sad when you plan to bitch for the next 4 to 8 years. All that energy wasted on negativity. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 AM:

" edumacation: Post at will... "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 AM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Thats right Lodian we have had to listen to your whining for 8 years now its our turn so get used to it. "

Yes, I know you are a whiner. LOL! "

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edumacation wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:00 AM:

" To Lodian: I found what you were looking for. Where are you posting? I have new information re: new Obama economic plan, will post for you when you reply. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:32 PM:

" citizen wrote "...looks like I hit a nerve..."

What nerve might that be exactly? LOL!

citizen wrote "Like I said before you dished it for eight years ever since you thought Bush "stole" the election in 2000, now its your turn to hear it."

I have never stated that Bush stole the election. Maybe you need to pay more attention. Some of you McCain supporters are incredibly bitter losers. Maybe you need to take a page from McCain's book and give respect and support to our nations new president. "

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GFlossmann wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Citizen, so who on Obama's economic team do you disapprove of and why? "

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citizen wrote on Nov 9, 2008 3:15 PM:

" Ha Ha Ha Lodian looks like I hit a nerve with your messiah Barack. If there is nothing to discuss why cant you let it go? Like I said this is going to great. Get used to it you have four or maybe eight years of it coming. Like I said before you dished it for eight years ever since you thought Bush "stole" the election in 2000, now its your turn to hear it. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 2:17 PM:

" OTH: You're right. They can get themselves all worked up without any help from the rest of us. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:50 PM:

" citizen: People like you are nasty in defeat and nasty in victory. It's sad that you are so divisive and cannot support your elected president, at least in the beginning of his presidency when there is absolutely nothing for you to criticize yet. So, there's not much to discuss with you. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:46 PM:

" citizen: Americans like you (if you are American) are what hurt this country. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:18 AM:

" O really Lodian like you supported Bush. Give me a break. Sounds like you whining libs can dish it out but cant take it. One day of critizism (is that how you spell that?) and you are already crying. Ha Ha this is going to be great. "

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OTH wrote on Nov 9, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Lodian

I find it interesting that no one evn has to glote(sp) to set these people off. Your right they are getting a running start. There's maybe 2 Republicans sane enough to have an intelligent conversation with. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:52 AM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Thats right Lodian we have had to listen to your whining for 8 years now its our turn so get used to it. "

It seems to me that you should at least allow Obama to be the president elect for a week or so before you start freaking out about his performance as your president. After all, Bush messed with America for 8 years. It will take a heck of a lot of work to undo that damage. It will certainly take more than a few days. The people have spoken loud and clear. We have a new president. A real American would support the new president. Your John McCain asked you to be supportive so maybe you should listen. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:43 AM:

" Nancy Reagan is known for checking with astrologers etc. Mary Todd Lincoln went the seance route. The reporter asked Obama if he had recently contacted all the living presidents. Whatever the case, Obama called Nancy Reagan and apologized as he meant no disrespect. It's reported that a warm and friendly conversation followed. "

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OTH wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:36 PM:

" T & C get whole quote or give it up. "

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voter wrote on Nov 8, 2008 3:39 PM:

" T & C, you're starting to sound clinical. Get a diagnosis; you'll feel better. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 8, 2008 3:12 PM:

" "President-elect Barack Obama said during his news conference this afternoon that he has consulted with all the living ex-presidents, but added that "I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances" with those who have passed away"!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/11/was-reagan-quip.html

This type of "Casual Rudeness" by the person who will soon be in the Whitehouse, if "Pulled on other Countries leaders"...is sure NOT to improve our relations with those countries or the world!" "

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T & C wrote on Nov 8, 2008 12:14 PM:

" President Obama has the RIGHT to take any Liberal Demo's LAND, Home or bank accounts away! He is our president so get used to it! "

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T & C wrote on Nov 8, 2008 12:11 PM:

" "Because "Demo's represent "SOCIAL PROGRAMS"... it's not hard to see why they have "Abandoned" the the foundation of America, "Best explained" by President John F. Kennedy!

"Ask not what your country can do for you... but rather, "What you can do for your country!" "

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citizen wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:05 AM:

" You see Leonard its comments like that makes no one take you seriously. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Thats right Lodian we have had to listen to your whining for 8 years now its our turn so get used to it. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:08 AM:

" Sam - It's Kelo and those homeowners in New London thought the way you do. Believe what you want, you racist. I am afraid of BO because he is a communist. You lefties always bring up the race. As far as intelligence, who said you need to be intelligent to be president? We've never seen his grades or scores and affirmative action admission into HBS doesn't mean anything. You really need to go peruse Government Code section 820 - 845. Your case has no standing and you will not win on a subjective valuation. "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:49 PM:

" Oh Tommy Boy, I have read Kelso. I am safe from Lodi. However Lodi is not safe from me.

But then you would not understand devaluing private property, as you have none to worry about.

Carry on Tommy Boy. You sound like a sore loser who is afraid of the black man who has more education than you and is a hell of a lot smarter than you will ever be. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 6:40 PM:

" sam - actually the government has every right to do with its land what ever it wants. Do you hold Allodial title?, if not read Kelo you may learn something about who "owns" what. BO is against private property rights, it's all for the collective you know. Saddle up, you voted for him, now you get to live with those unintended consequences. Kind of like what happened with Prop 8. "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:32 PM:

" No Tom, you are the complete fool. Eminent domain will never touch my land. "

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voter wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Cogito, I just finished reading the Pew study. I can't find anywhere in it that it says Fox had more balanced coverage of the election. Are we talking about the same study?
http://www.journalism.org/node/13307 "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:31 PM:

" Tom, that is not an idol threat nor is it a scream. That is a fact. The city has no right to mislable and devalue my land.

Protecting the value of my property and my business is hardly screaming, Tommy boy. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:00 PM:

" citizen: Geez you're doing a lot of judging of Obama for being the president elect for less than 3 days... and you give Bush a free pass on the last 8 years??? Wow! "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:15 AM:

" sam - ah yes, the "take my land off your map or I'll sue" doesn't constitute screaming, just a complete lack of understanding of the Kelo decision and what BO stands for. Keep up that stoic posture as eminent domain takes "your" land and redistributes it to someone more needed. Complete fool.... "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:55 AM:

" T & C wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:29 AM:
" May our new president help rebuild America and not be a disappointment to us all! "

T&C, I agree with you 100%.

You have a wonderful friday too. It is a gorgeous day.

Peace Out. "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Oh Tom, people like me "scream the loudest". Hee hee. That is so funny. I am not a screamer. But you have a nice day. It is a glorious Friday.

Peace Out. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:29 AM:

" May our new president help rebuild America and not be a disappointment to us all! "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:11 AM:

" At least until BO and the libs pack the court and find that the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to individuals and the "Civilian defense force" comes to take them away. At least you are safe in a state with enough indiviual responsiblity right wingers that if that ever happened it would touch off the 2nd American revoultion...wonder where you would fall on that debate. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Down here in Austin us left wing whackos with guns outnumber the right wing ones 2 to 1. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:56 AM:

" t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:41 AM:

" L - right back at you...How's texas? must be boring surrounded by all those right wing wackjobs with guns. But hey at least you are safe.....

Texas is great. I like guns and they like me.

I just dropped $650 on a new Ruger Ranch Rifle. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:41 AM:

" L - right back at you...How's texas? must be boring surrounded by all those right wing wackjobs with guns. But hey at least you are safe.....How's global warming going for you now?

Sam, I'm sure you will let me know when you are no longer happy with BO. People like you scream the loudest when things change and what they wished for comes with unintended consequences. I'll just be hear to remind you about it. The short attention span of this country is very dangerous. "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:33 AM:

" Acampo_Mom said " I have hope that Obama can help lead us out of our mess(es). I am not expecting miracles. But, I am optimistic. "

AM, I agree. "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Oh Tom, I am not only all I said I am, I am so much more.

I am excited with our new president. I will let you if I change my mind.

I voted for Bush twice and I was upfront when I started disagreeing with some of his choices. I have to admit his speech yesterday brought a tear to my eye. He is a good man. I truly believe he lost sight of everything when he started the Iraq war. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:28 AM:

" TJ, you will believe your little right wing fairy tales no matter what I say. "

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sam wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:34 PM:
" A Pew research study has stated today that the most balanced coverage of both candidates by the media was done by Fox News."

I enjoyed FOX's coverage. I also liked CNN. There is one guy on CNN (Lou Dobbs (?)) who is an Independent and loves to bash both parties. He made this year quite entertaining. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Acampo Mom, I felt the same as you in the last 2 elections. I hated what Bush was doing to the party of Reagan. The only problem was that the Democrats put up two of the most vapid, emptiest suits to run against him. Given the choice between Bush against either Kerry or Gore, I'd still pick Bush. Let's just hope we can get back to what we were 25 years ago. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:14 AM:

" L - try really hard not to put words in my mouth. I know it is difficult becasue in your world your view is the only view.
As far as Bush being able to do something about OBL. Believe what you want, but you cleary lack a grounding in reality.
Given your example, I expect the economy to be humming along by the 3rd quarter of next year after BO is annoited.
Doesn't work that way, clinto gutted the military, though up barriers in the intellgience agency and generally mis-handled security for 8 years. Bush was in the process of righting the wrong, but hey the government only works quick when it is messing things up, not fixing them. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:03 AM:

" In the last two elections I voted for George W. Bush to be president. Most of my adult life before that I tended to lean left. I made the switch because like most Americans I "thought" that Bush was the better choice..."the lesser of the two evils". I listened to the conservatives talk about how Bush had the clout, he had the experience, he had the foresight, he had the family values, he was a Christian, etc.

Unfortunately I didn't do my own research. If I had, I may have chosen the other guy (who knows). But with each move he made I felt more and more let down. I've talked to others that feel the same as I do. They feel betrayed. They feel slighted. They feel taken advantage of. Most of the people I've talked to about this that feel the way I do, are either current or former military wives (as I am) and mothers.

I have hope that Obama can help lead us out of our mess(es). I am not expecting miracles.
But, I am optimistic. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:56 AM:

" Voter, are you saying that the American public are really just a bunch of clueless dullards that can't be counted on to make a proper decision when it comes to polls, or votes for that matter? "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 7, 2008 7:49 AM:

" Voter, this study was done simply on the stories on each candidate, and whether that particular story was positive or negative. It wasn't an opinion overview of the entire campaigns, it was accumulated on a story by story basis. When one watches a news story on a candidate, it's not hard to tell if it's positive or negative. NBCs stories on McCain were almost exclusively negative, much more than the other networks. "

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voter wrote on Nov 7, 2008 6:40 AM:

" Cogito, there is a BIG difference between a study and a poll. What you cite from Pew is a public opinion poll and we know how those go--just a few years ago opinion polls were saying that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Should we make a list of the things the public believed to be true at one time of another but were plain fiction? "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 7, 2008 6:38 AM:

" t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 5:19 AM:

" L - So your saying that Bush being in office 7 months and trying to deal with a recession caused by the internet bubble allowed OBL to attack the US.

The idea that Bush could not do anything about national security because he was too busy not doing anything about the economy is preposterous.

Most Americans expect that their President will be able to walk AND chew bubble gum at the same time. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 7, 2008 5:19 AM:

" L - So your saying that Bush being in office 7 months and trying to deal with a recession caused by the internet bubble allowed OBL to attack the US. While clinton did everything in his power, by send missiles into the mnts to "wag the dog". Come on, you can distort history, but I for one am going to call you on it when I see it.
Sam, if you are all the things you said you are and you still voted for BO then you deserve everything you have coming. Hope you stick around for 4 yrs, because it will be interesting to see when you turn (like a lot of people will) on BO. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:34 PM:

" A Pew research study has stated today that the most balanced coverage of both candidates by the media was done by Fox News. There you go. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:16 PM:

" A disgusted McCain aide called the Palins Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast.

Hey, they said it, not me. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:11 PM:

" T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Please read this, those who are soooo proud of voting for "Obama" as this county's leader!

"There were some negative reactions to Obama's election as well. Three in 10 describe themselves as "pessimistic," and 27% say they are "afraid".

Chuckle...

3 in 10 also happens to be the number of Americans who think Bush is doing a good job.

I think that pretty much sums up who we are dealing with here. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:08 PM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:43 PM:
" Leonard you cant possibly be saying that the pathetic way the clinton admin. handled the problem of terrorism and Osama did not contribute to the 9/11 attacks

I have no doubt that everyone could have handled the situation better. That said, Clinton repeatedly struck out at Al Queda during his time in office.

Bush on the other hand, did nothing. Until 9/11, his administration's policy on terrorism was to ignore it and hope it went away. Some sources have suggested that before the planes hit the towers, Bush didn't even know what Al Queda was. "

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sam wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:05 PM:

" T&C, you are missing this. Our Republican Party is releasing all this now about Palin.Turn on FOX news. Our Republican Party is tearing down" a Governor who sought the (vice) presidency".

You do not have a problem with this?
Our Republican Party is releasing trash about Palin.

You don't see how our party was trying to snow us? "

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sam wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:00 PM:

" Wait , T&C, you are worried about all those libs who want a free ride?

Give me a break. Are you afraid someone will take your free ride away? Grow up. "

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sam wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:57 PM:

" Oh T&C I am one of those white, graduate degree, making over $250,000 a year Republican who voted for Obama. There were many of us. I am a gun owner and I am also against abortion. My houses are all paid for. Are yours???

However, I voted for who I thought would best serve our country. And YES, I have voted Republican every year until this year.

We have a new president. He is OUR president. I want nothing from you, no "christmas gifts", nada.

Show some class and respect YOUR new president. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:45 PM:

" You demo's love tearing down a Senator and a Governor who sought the presidency, but "Lord help anyone questing the actions or abilities of who YOU voted for! President Obama is still going to oversee your precious $700 Billion dollar bailout that you were hating President Bush for overseeing! "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:43 PM:

" The fact that "Homeowners are not being responsible making payments is part of the massive mortgage crisis! It is their individual, collective fault, refusing to make payments on time or not at all! That is what triggers FORECLSURE! And before you start jumping on me read where I got my info FACTS from:

"Growing numbers of people are making late payments on home loans, and adjustable-rate mortgages are resetting, causing surging payments for homeowners"!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-11-05-obama-economy_N.htm And I am supposed to feel sorry for homeowners that bought over priced houses they couldn't afford to make payments on? Financial responsibility averts any homeowners foreclosure! If I had a house and my payment was $900.00 per month bank payment, and I made each payment on time, I would not be in foreclosure! The same for 401 K Funds! Each investor VOLUNTARILY chose the investment fund for their "Get rich quick"Bag-O-Cash down the road, but the investment was not safe! Poor investment decision! Oh well, the new leader of our country will come to your rescue and you can seek new investments, keep your middle class house! Life will be just fine! Relax! "

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voter wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM:

" Sorry, Sam. I was typing the same time you posted. Yep, that's pretty incredible! "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM:

" sam, I live in America, and I have a right to challenge what I see are flaws or mistakes in who America's new president is! He will NOT follow thru on his promises! That is my opinion! 1 year from January, 1009, post and show me how he hasn't let America down! In the mean time, because Christmas is approaching sam, consider this website for a thoughtful gift idea!

http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-My-Father-Story-Inheritance/dp/1400082773
"You Demo's for 8 years critized the president of the United States, Your president sam.... tell it to someone else! Republicans have the right to voice their disatifaction as equally as democrats!

There were some negative reactions to Obama's election as well. Three in 10 describe themselves as "pessimistic," and 27% say they are "afraid.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-11-06-poll_N.htm

Not all of us are all smiles like you sam! "

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voter wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Sam, I saw that clip online. They're also claiming that she could not name the parties to NAFTA--ergo, doesn't know the countries in North America. "

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sam wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:23 PM:

" OMG, Palin could NOT name the countries in North America. This is FOX reporting. "

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sam wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:22 PM:

" FOX news actually reported today that Palin did not know if Africa was a country or a continent. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:21 PM:

" The World, not just America has been trying to "TALK, communicate, Negotiate, compromise and use "Incentives" to resove world crisises in IRAN, N. Lorea, China and Russia to absolutely "NO AVAIL"! Obama will talk and talk and talk, until there is a invasion, or attack in a foreign country and even then, he will talk and talk and talk! He will Not stand beside our allies! If we are attacked... "His speech to us will be"... "My fellow americans, all of my intelligence experts tell me they have NO IDEA who attacked us! We will not retaliate against any nation, based on assumed suspicions! We will rebuild! "Oh Great"! "

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sam wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:16 PM:

" Hey T&C, he is now your new Commander in Chief. Grow up and show some respect.

Next time, YOU run for president. In the mean time, quit attacking your new president. You claim you are a veteran. well show some respect for our country and our new leader. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Russia has already placed their "First Challenge to "Obama" by deploying MISSILE batteries to KNOCK out of Missile Batteries to intercept possible IRANIAN Missles in Europe! I predict, Obama will Not follow thru with the deployment of our missile batteries, and he will back down from russia! That money will be "Ear-marked" for Social programs instead! Iran, Russia, China and N. Korea, clearly know our new president does NOT want to use our Military under any circumstances! When I am wrong and Obama stands up for our Interests or Allies interests, please feel free to correct me for being wrong! Our next president has NEVER been a president before, not even a Governor! He has never been a President in a wartime situation! He is NOT even a veteran. But you elected him to protect and guide our country! "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Please read this, those who are soooo proud of voting for "Obama" as this county's leader!

"There were some negative reactions to Obama's election as well. Three in 10 describe themselves as "pessimistic," and 27% say they are "afraid". We are afraid! You elected a "First term Senator" who, instead of focusing on taking care of his responsibilities in Congress, was instead, "Campaigning for President!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-11-06-poll_N.htm

And all you can do is say... "Relax, buy jis book! He will do FANTASTIC, what ever his plan for America is!

I feel great knowing that Obama will not profit at all, not one penny out of the Millions and Millions of copies of his book! Please buy a copy before Christmas!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-11-06-poll_N.htm "

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citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Leonard you cant possibly be saying that the pathetic way the clinton admin. handled the problem of terrorism and Osama did not contribute to the 9/11 attacks? Cmon you arent that clueless are you? O wait judging by your past rants I think I know the answer to my own question. never mind. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:38 PM:

" MARZO2008... If you fail to clearly answer my question posed, you voted for someone who faces a huge crisis to all retiring and soon to retire seniors, for which "Obama" failed to clearly define to you what he would do to correct this disgraceful situation! Hopes and dreams of a better tomorrow make wonderful votes and donations, but ACTION and more importantly, ACCOMPLISHMENT is what the bottom line is and I have absolutely no doubt you will think differently then you do now in 2012! "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:35 PM:

" I wish I could say you sound intelligent MARZO2008, honest I wish I could! What I'd like from you, "A loyal supporter of "Obama" is this! And Please try not thinking too hard before you answer!

Social Security Administration is Billions in the hole thanks to Demo's and Repubs, raiding the fund that was set aside for every person's retirement! No one disputes that in a few few short years it will be broke!

Now here is the question, so pay attention and try to think before you answer! Less embarassment that way!

You HAD to follow Obama's "wonderfully scriptes sales pitch speeches, you had to"!!!

How has he explained to "You the loyal Obama supporters, that he will make the Social Security Administration stable"? Every president including "Slick Willie" promised, and with each NEW president we are worse off then before! So here is your chance MARZO2008, :The Podium is yours for as many posts as you need to spell in out in fine detail the answer to my question! This is just one of many issues Obama has promised Change but fails to explain how! "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:16 PM:

" The peace of casualties and wounded in the dozens instead of the tens of thousands.

As for terrorism building to something bigger, 9/11 occurred on the Republicans watch. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:44 PM:

" L - ah yes the peace of warplanes bombing in Bosnia, peacekeepers in somilia and tomahawks flying into ethiopia (IT) and the internet bubble. Oh how selective some people's memories are. I guess if we ignore the terrorist attacks like clinton did they do build up in the end to something big...but hey tough decisions can be avoided by the best of us - or the worst.... "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:23 PM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:10 PM:

" Wrong Leanord maybe you should step away from the keyboard long enough to watch the news. He sent a personal message to Barack, but it is not known if he responded

Really? And he did this via a phone call, as you stated earlier? "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:22 PM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Leonard I dont beleive that you made any money during the last democratic adminstration.

Given some of the things you do believe, I do not find that surprising.

Lots of people made tons of money during the Clinton Administration. It was a time of peace and prosperity. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Leonard I dont beleive that you made any money during the last democratic adminstration. Like most of everything you write on this blog it is just too unbeleivable. Maybe you should invest more wisely and you wouldnt have to blame you bad decisions on the republicans. I guess what you mean by looking forward to making more money you must be referring to the obvious boost welfare folks are expecting from your guy. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:10 PM:

" Wrong Leanord maybe you should step away from the keyboard long enough to watch the news. He sent a personal message to Barack, but it is not known if he responded. Maybe you should get YOUR facts straight. "

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MARZO2008 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:33 PM:

" eat your word T & C. it's not just the one person making this country better but many working together. Working together to fix the problems left behind. And to move on and go in the right direction. "

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T & C wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM:

" Obama's victory is historic, but now the real work begins! All political beliefs and opinions set aside, America is at a critical point in our nations history! It now will be commanded by a first term senator who spent most of his time as a senator, running for president! As stated...."Obama's victory is historic, but now the real work begins"! We can only pray he has the best interests of America in mind in the decisions and laws he enacts and the course direction he leads us towards! "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:15 AM:

" citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:17 AM:

" O wow I just heard on the news that Iran's crazy leader (I wont even try to spell his name) called Barack to congratulate him.

Time to find a new News source since this simply did not happened.

Iran's President did congratulate Obama in public comments as have hundreds of other world leaders.

If you can't be bothered to get your facts right perhaps you should just save yourself the embarrassment and stay silent. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:17 AM:

" O wow I just heard on the news that Iran's crazy leader (I wont even try to spell his name) called Barack to congratulate him. Now that has got to make you libs proud. O now the dow is down another 100 points. Good job this is going just peachy. "

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citizen wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Lets see Obama elected and the stock market plunges 800 points so far. I guess we should blame this on Barack like the whining liberals blamed everything on Bush for eight years. What a disaster this is going to be for this country, unless you are unemployed, black, or an illegal immigrant. Cant wait for the great health care plan to turn my doctors visits similar to visiting the urgent care center on a saturday afternoon. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Lodian, thanks for reminding me, I still have a poster in my window! "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Tjeff, the thing is that neither one of those burst bubbles affected me, or the majority of Americans at all. My household is doing better now than it ever has. We've decided to diversify our investments outside the market as a result of it's volatility, but we are still investing. Some of my friends, the ones in Real Estate, have earnings cutbacks, but they seem to be getting by just fine. The economy is too big for things like this to bring it down for very long. It would be nice to rid it of the bubbles, but they happen. The next one will be in green industries. A lot of hype with little long term potential, that's what bubbles are made of. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:27 AM:

" cog, you also forgot the fortunous rise of the internet -- oh that's right Al Gore created that (wink-jk). That bubble overshadowed anything clinton actually did and masked the pain his programs actually created. Just like the housing bubble masked for a time the pain bush caused. The problem is, can the govt blow another bubble or is the gig up? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:22 PM:

" I am so friggin happy that I did not get a truck load of political ads in the mail and didn't see any political commercials on TV today!!!!! Yippee!!!!

Now PLEASE get those signs outta the yard. :-)

Time to move forward.

It's a new day. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:05 PM:

" OTH, you wouldn't want me, I wear shorts and a camp shirt to work almost every day. And, unfortunately, I don't accessorize at the Galt flea market. I even wear shorts to weddings! Leonard, the reason you made money in the 80's is that Clinton was smart enough to leave alone the policies President Reagan put into place. "

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OTH wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:22 PM:

" Cogito

Well you should have called him amd said "hey lookie here. As for the clothes who gives a rats patoot! Right my freind?

We could send you to Washington as fashion co-ordinator don't let them go near the flea market. Lol "

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sam wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Jason J, in my house the German Republicans voted for Obama. It is a great victory. "

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Jason J wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Today Lodi, we have victory! I know Lodi is mostly German Republicans; However, today shows us how we as Americans can prevail past barriers. The last 8 years has showed us how the Bush Administration didn't step up to the plate for the middle class. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:39 AM:

" JF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:07 AM:

" This is truly a dark day in American history.I just hope I have prepared my family and will survive the financial ruin that lies ahead.

The last time there was a Democrat in the Whitehouse I made a heap of money off of free enterprise. The last 8 years of Republican rule have taken a fair chunk out of that nest egg but I am hopeful that we are on the road back to better times. "

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sam wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:25 AM:

" Ah JF, he is your president now too. Give him a chance. "

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sam wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Cog, I agree with YOUR dress comment. Sorry.

I was up all night. "

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sam wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:23 AM:

" Cog, I agree with the dress. OUCH. But the kids looked glorious... must be the "Puppy" on their mind.

I loved both men's speeches. It was a good night. "

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JF wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:07 AM:

" This is truly a dark day in American history.I just hope I have prepared my family and will survive the financial ruin that lies ahead. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:16 AM:

" Hey, but it's all over for now, let's just enjoy it for a while. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Tjeff, aaahhhh yes, that would be me the last 12 years. "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Cog, that would hold for the hard core groups to the left and right, I was talking more about the group that will hold thier nose and vote the party line "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Tjeff, I heard it was 33% conservative, 22% liberal, and 45% "slop in the middle" as you call it. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:28 AM:

" OTH, If McCain would have picked my boy Romney, he may have had a better chance, but that was a pretty big electoral spread. I was just trying to show how shallow people were to make such a big deal out of a candidates wardrobe, paid for by the party. The MSM made it an issue, not the Republican Party. But Obama using his campaign Boeing 757 for personal reasons was ignored, just a little double standard there. OTH, we'll always be friends. Why would anything as silly as politics get in the way of that? "

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t jefferson wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:22 AM:

" congratulations BO, great speach last night, best of luck on making good on your promises. I think it is interesting that the backpeddling has already started. People are about to find out that politicians lie to get elected. (party doesn't matter) Wonder what is going to happen then. As far as hope and unity, not going to happen. This country is 45% lib dem and 45% cons repb with about 10% slop in the middle. That 10% has decided the last 5 presidential elections (if you discount spoilers like perot). This country is not growing together is is spreading further apart. The divide is starting to go down the urban vs rural path. If the economy doesn't start to improve in the next year, expect a change in 2010 as the dems are outsted. At least there will be some peace for the next 9 months. "

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OTH wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:12 AM:

" Cogito

My friend.

Your party with their shallow beliefs that clothes make the politicin,may have cost them an election. I don't know I'm just guessing.

We still friends? "

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OTH wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:07 AM:

" lodisafeway

I don't think anyone is here to rub salt in anyones wounds. One side lost and the other side won. You happen to be on the losing side but that does mean salt in you wounds. Believe me if Leonard wanted to pour salt there would be no question what he was doing. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Hey Leonard, I'm a complex guy with many facets, not just another pretty face:-) "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:47 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:44 AM:

" I forgot to mention that Michelle Obama needs to hire the Republican/Palin Fashionista Team. That dress was horrible! Then she tied the sweater around it to break up the big red stripe. Who thought THAT was a good idea? Summon the ghost of Jackie O!

LOL!

This is a side of you I had not previously envisioned. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:44 AM:

" I forgot to mention that Michelle Obama needs to hire the Republican/Palin Fashionista Team. That dress was horrible! Then she tied the sweater around it to break up the big red stripe. Who thought THAT was a good idea? Summon the ghost of Jackie O! "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Girard, it was not my intention to insult you or rub salt in your wounds but rather to simply point out the futility of making predictions couched in absolutes.

If I have offended you, I do apologize. While we have disagreed many times and will undoubtedly do so many more times in the future, I feel no hate for you in my heart.

Like many Americans, I believe this is a new day and I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for past hurts and look forward to a better tomorrow. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Lodisafeway, maybe it's because Leonard realizes nothing has really been achieved yet. The rubber hasn't hit the road, and won't for a few more months. Let him gloat, what's the harm? I know I would! "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:34 AM:

" I was Impressed By Obamas speech too. There seemed to be an attempt at healing by both candidates. What I thought was Obamas best line was that the division in Washington is worse than it is in America. I think that's very true, and they have no one to blame but themselves. Both parties have been pandering to the extremes and forgetting about the majority of us in the middle. My favorite moment of the night was seeing Jesse brought to tears. I don't know if it was because of a lifetime of struggle for racial equality was manifested in the moment, or because his career based on the politics of division is now going to become semi-obsolete. Either way, it touched my heart. "

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lodisafeway wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:29 AM:

" It's interesting (but by no means surprising) how liberals cannot accept victory with any sense of integrity or grace. Less than one day after Obama becomes the President-Elect, rather than revel in what they have achieved, Leonard here finds the time to force some salt into the wounds of the defeated.

The hatred that Leonard has for this Girard74 is becoming legendary. What could it be that would distract him from enjoying the history that is being made even at this moment to take the time to seek out and attempt to humiliate him/her? Thankfully antics like this rarely hold up the offenders as intelligent and thoughtful people - just spiteful and petty.

Unfortunately, this is what so many of us have come to expect from the so-called "progressive" party. Hopefully, one day people like Leonard will grow up just a little; or maybe not. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:41 AM:

" I was impressed by McCain's speech last night.

It was good to again see the McCain that I admired before this whole mess started. "

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Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:17 AM:

" He passed the interview, and got the job. Now he's got to go to work with a lot to live up to. I plan on giving him the benefit of the doubt, and show him all the fairness and integrity that the MSM gave the Bush administration. I'm rooting for ya lefty. "

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Leonard wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:55 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Mar 13, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Remember this date. On this day, the Democrats have virtually assured themselves absolute defeat for the presidency in November

Chuckle.... "

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