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Local residents comment on Proposition 8
Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:37 AM PST
"I believe everyone has equal rights to demonstrate how you feel, but there's a certain point where you have to draw the line."
Natasha Ramirez, of Lodi.
"Power to the gays, but it's wrong. They can be gay all they want, but marriage is sacred, period."
Larisa Brand, of Galt.
"I supported Proposition 8, not as an anti-gay statement, but as a statement on the sanctity of marraige between a man and a woman. "
Frank Smart, of Lodi.
"I am opposed because it makes gays and lesbians less of a citizen. We shouldn't harbor that kind of thinking."
Fernando Alvarez, of Galt.
"Marraige is a God-created institution. I do not wish to see that violated."
John Vernier, of Lodi.
"It's sticky. Is this about marriage or rights? I think they should have equal rights about medical and all."
Bill Lock, of Galt.
"That was a tough one for me. I think the gay and lesbian side is way out of bounds trying to redefine a traditional religious work. On the other hand, I've got a gay cousin who said, 'If it passes I'm coming out and staying with you,' and I said to come on out."
Eric Hadsell, of Lodi.
"It goes back to family values in the church. I'm a grandmother, and I'd like to see my grandchildren have the opportunity to get a marriage license that doesn't say Party 1 and Party 2."
Mary Goncalves, of Lodi.
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Robb wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:34 PM:
real facts wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:13 PM:
" RF wrote "weak people lie. despicable people continue to lie WITHOUT conscience"
and rf's you continue to lie?, because? ").
robb, your a worm of a man, because every time you accused me of lying, and i asked you to PROVE IT.....you never have.
either prove where i lied, or YOUR the obvious liar, and your game is OVER
your pathetic, because your ONLY "defense" now against me is to lie about me
big whoop "
Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:20 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:19 AM:
Brian wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:03 AM:
" RF: So you think karma determines a person's destiny. That's interesting. Is that in the Bible?
-Do unto others? Lodian, are you there? "
Robb wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:58 AM:
and rf's you continue to lie?, because? "
real facts wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:01 AM:
" Nope, not true, RF. Never made those statements. Too bad you are choosing to make things up again.
Ya know the difference between you and I, RF?...I hope for your salvation and you hope for my damnation. You even relish, and salivate, over the thought of such a day. This has been witnessed, at nauseum, by all here on the blogs for years. I think I know what God would think about that kind of heart. ").
i told you, i could care less how much you lie about it as per that "reaping/sowing thing"
you lie still you never stated that
and YES, i cannot wait for the day when God finally takes to task those that have ZERO conscience about fighting against who he is.
you should read psalms/proverbs to find out how God feels about me taking that stance
think of it as "homework"
oh yeah. i WILL rejoice on that day when there is NO......God-hating evil "
real facts wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:56 PM:
" RF: So you think karma determines a person's destiny. That's interesting. Is that in the Bible? ").
not in the secular sense of that definition, but reciprocity for WILLFUL behavior that is against God and HIS stnadards......you bet
you WILL reap what you have sown lodian
that's a fact "
real facts wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:54 PM:
" RF wrote "weak people lie. despicable people continue to lie WITHOUT conscience"
I agree with you. ").
if you 'agreed' with that statement, you would DISCONTINUE doing it.
the fact that you don't, proves you have ZERO conscience about it
further "proof" that you could care less, is you won't ever even slow yourself down "
Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:57 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 AM:
I agree with you. "
Lodian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 AM:
Ya know the difference between you and I, RF?...I hope for your salvation and you hope for my damnation. You even relish, and salivate, over the thought of such a day. This has been witnessed, at nauseum, by all here on the blogs for years. I think I know what God would think about that kind of heart. "
real facts wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:06 PM:
go ahead, list ALL my "lies". laughing
you lied about it multiple times that Christians were "safe" from future lawsuits against gays. mutiple times AFTER i pressed you on your first attempt. liar
it will be a great day in humanity when all the lies you tell come to it's natural conclusion. some label it karma, but hey at this point i could care less what anyone calls it, all i know is that you have built up for YOURSELF a truckload of whatever it is that is coming your way based on your non conscience about it.
weak people lie. despicable people continue to lie WITHOUT conscience
i have a new name for you....."truckload" "
Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 2:33 PM:
real facts wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:55 AM:
" Nope, that was never said. ").
your a liar, and you said it several times when referring to future lawsuits of homosexuals against Christians.
you need to get some sort of mental help lodian, because you can't even lie well enough to cover your previous lies.
what a great life you have carved for yourself. maybe i should interview your neighbors to see if i can find the root problem of what caused your PSYCHOsis "
Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:08 AM:
real facts wrote on Nov 8, 2008 7:27 AM:
" re: real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:31 PM:
I didn't said they will never sue. ").
liar.
when i and others were discussing the fact that homosexuals will sue POST prop 8 .....YOU said "they NEVER will".
it's unbelievable how much you lie lodian "
Lodian wrote on Nov 8, 2008 12:46 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 8, 2008 12:43 AM:
Lodian wrote on Nov 8, 2008 12:42 AM:
I didn't said they will never sue. "
Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:29 PM:
real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:25 PM:
if you notice, "they" were used to steamrolling Christians/Christianity, and now because they have run up against a Christian that is willing to put evil in it's place, they may still do it here and there, but at least they think twice about it.
show me someone who isn't being disrepectful and is a seeker, and i will demonstrate what you portend.
case in point - bobbyG.
i WAS respectful at first, because he was as well, despite our polar opposite beliefs, UNTIL it became crystal clear that he is out to use Gods word to legitimize homosexual sex, effectively seeking to destroy Gods authority over man, and that is evil.
when it is NOT "seeker behavior", i then counter it commensurely.
it's only going to get worse, and then people are either going to get steamrolled over, or they are going to be a party in "slowing down" that train "
lodisafeway wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:58 PM:
While I do understand your frustration that people aren't lining up behind you to sign up for Christ, you might want to take pause and try and understand why they aren't. Jesus was gentle and persuasive - you come across as incredibly harsh and abrasive; not the qualities necessary to help someone "believe" in something that they cannot see or touch. In short, you're not winning any souls here-and isn't that your mandate while on earth? From what I've read here and in the past, you've only succeeded in driving people away from you (and perhaps God) in your attempts to lead them to redemption. While it's completely up to you, but do you want to stand before Him and answer for that? "
lodisafeway wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:44 PM:
Since opponents to Proposition 8 have decided to take this before the California Supreme Court, I believe that they will be frustrated with the result. Because this was an amendment legally changing the Constitution, it probably won't be up to the justices in Sacramento to make the final determination. And since the Nine Supremes in Washington, D.C. have already indicated that this is a state issue, I doubt that they will even permit arguments to be heard.
The only recourse will be for yet another vote to repeal this amendment. And round it goes again. "
lodisafeway wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:27 PM:
This comes down to what some believe to be "wrong" as it squares with their faith. They're no more hateful than anyone else. Yes, there are people who hate homosexuals - as of today there has never been any legislation offered to outlaw "hate" as an emotion. Hate is as valid as love - it is for each of us to manage those emotions so that they do not violate any laws.
But to keep making these blanket statements that those who supported Proposition 8 are hateful is an arrogant and extremely ignorant belief. However, just as I stated earlier that there is no law against "hate" just as there are no laws against arrogance or ignorance (or stupidity).
The People spoke (again) and the decision was made (again). Case "almost" closed. "
real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:45 PM:
just a couple of blogs ago, you were making disparaging remarks about the homosexuals
laughing "
dogbark wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:09 PM:
Aimee wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:05 PM:
In California, domestic partners have the same rights as married heterosexual and homosexual couples (since it is doubtful that those who married prior to Nov. 4 will have their marriages declared void). The issue arises upon leaving California, since there is disparity in what states honor domestic partnerships and which ones do not.
Proposition 22, previously approved by voters and recently declared unconstitutional by the California Supreme Court, had a two-fold purpose. First, it sought to limit the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. Second, it sought to repeal the rights given to gay individuals under, I believe, the Domestic Partnership Act. Proposition 8 sought to limit only the definition of marriage. I believe that this change will increase its chances of surviving a constitutional challenge. "
galt citizen wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:40 PM:
uncle stinky wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:19 PM:
real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:31 PM:
I predict this will end up in the Supreme Court. ").
i am sure it will too, but i think it's hysterical YOU were one of the many that were lying saying "they will NEVER sue. everyone is safe"
don't say i didn't tell you so (and that i will keep reminding you) "
Lodian wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:04 PM:
"It's time for domestic partnerships, with all the same rights as married couples, to become law. What would be the big deal? Is the semantic argument worth it to the losing side?"
Cogito: To mean that sounds like saying they can still ride the bus, but they still have to sit in the back. Unless Americans want to make being gay illegal gay people should be treated as equal in the eyes of the law.
Church leaders and their congregation can still believe that gay people are not worthy, or are less than themselves in some way, as that's their freedom. BUT gay people should still have the same legal rights in this country as you and I. I don't understand how so many religious Americans can believe it is right to deny their fellow Americans the same equal rights they enjoy every day.
Equal means equal. And changing the constitution to add in discrimination is criminal. I predict this will end up in the Supreme Court. "
real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:54 PM:
Remember zealots, God has the final judgement. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone. ").
Gods people HAVE to hold up the moral standards of God when other people are seeking to destroy it.
btw, your quotation of scripture is waaaay off. if you had INCLUDED the rest of what went on around that scripture, it STILL indicates the necessity TO judge sin
thank God someone still has the stomach TO do it, otherwise this world would be a free for all.
i would live to see you apply that "scripture reference" to child molesters "
real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:25 PM:
God is not "phobic" in the sense that he HATES sin, but wishes that man would repent.
so YES, God is going to high five me when i see HIM for actually having the guts to take a firm stand against sin, and against those that oppose it.
while everyone else is taking a breath over this issue because they are exhausted, me being a man of position and strength, i don't "take breaks", because i have a job to do, and my "gas tank" is still on FULL. "
caveman wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:22 PM:
LodiReaderFromStockton wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:36 AM:
real facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 AM:
good. i can't wait since God would have voted YES on 8 because he has ALWAYS spoken against homosexual sex of ANY kind, for ANY reason.
so standing before God on this matter after supporting YES on 8 will be a welcomed event "
LodiReaderFromStockton wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:35 AM:
Cogito wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:34 AM:
nativelodian wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:32 AM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:22 AM:
Oh yeah, and thanks for helping the Mormon Church continue it's policy of discrimination. Nice job CA!
God will judge each of you who supported this Proposition. "
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