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It's now clear: McCain, angry, rude and clueless on the economy, is getting crushed on Nov. 4


Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:21 AM PDT

Nov. 4 will be reckoning day for the GOP.

The Republican Party, despite knowing all the risks it assumed in doing so, nominated its most unworthy candidate, John McCain.

And McCain turned around to reward the GOP's misplaced confidence by running a horrible campaign that will result in a Barack Obama Election Day landslide.

The multiple personalities McCain has displayed during his bumbling effort come as no surprise to his longtime observers. The truth is that McCain isn't an agent of change or a maverick, but merely a rude, angry old-time pol whose time has run out.

Politics is about winning. But that fundamental concept hasn't yet penetrated the thick-skulls who call the shots for the Republicans.

Deluding itself that somehow a carbon copy of George W. Bush, one of the least popular presidents in American history, could somehow mount a winning drive against either of the two Democrats — Hillary Clinton early on, but eventually Barack Obama — the GOP will soon be left with the crumbs.

When analysts look back at Election 2008, they'll point to the Wall Street collapse as the fatal blow to McCain.

By the time the final votes are tallied, it will be. But the financial crisis, at least to some degree, could have been anticipated. Signs of trouble abounded months ago.

Yet the GOP was content to go with McCain, a Johnny-One Note (the Iraq War) and a self-confessed economic ignoramus, instead of looking for reasonable alternatives and a fresh face.

The true turning point, however, was the late January night in Florida when McCain narrowly edged out Mitt Romney in the state's closed primary to end the former-Massachusetts governor's presidential bid.

McCain went over the top in large part because of the endorsements of Republican standard bearers — RINOs in other words — Gov. Charlie Crist and Sen. Mel Martinez. McCain's win, narrow though it was, built on his previous week's South Carolina victory and gave voters the impression that he had unstoppable momentum.

Then, on the heels of his Florida victory, McCain picked up also-ran Rudy Giuliani's endorsement as he steam-rolled into Super Tuesday with an insurmountable lead. On Wednesday, Romney withdrew.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Ironically, even 10 months ago, nearly half of all Florida voters said in an exit poll that the economy was the most important problem facing the country.

And Romney had tailored his campaign to that message while at the same time exploiting the Republican's conservative base with McCain's long history of abandoning his party on key votes.

Said Romney, prophetically: "At a time like this, America needs a president in the White House who has actually had a job in the real economy."

If Romney were today's Republican nominee, a few things probably would have happened that did not in McCain's campaign:

  • Since Romney is as poised as Obama, he'd go toe-to-toe with him in the debates, at least holding his own. McCain has sounded foolish as he wanders around the room prefacing his statements with "my friends" and vaguely promising to find Osama bin Laden.

  • Voters would have listened to Romney rather than laugh at McCain when the talk turns to jobs.

  • A polished energetic campaigner, Romney would not have the Bush albatross hanging around his neck.

  • In Michigan, where his father George was governor, the Romney campaign would be alive and well.

  • At a minimum Romney, because his appeal to independent and undecided voters, would carry every state that McCain will win as well as some, like Missouri, currently listed as a "toss up."

    This is all hindsight now. But with the third debate in the history books, McCain is finished. Republican insiders now hope that McCain can help his party gain Congressional seats, or at least minimize the losses, and build a 2012 foundation.

    In the end, Obama will receive nearly 400 electoral votes, a landslide. That's quite an achievement for a candidate that no one is truly enthusiastic about.

    Blame it on the GOP. When it nominated McCain, it insured its own demise.

    Joe Guzzardi recently changed his party affiliation to Independent. Nothing he has seen or heard in the two-year old campaign will influence him to vote for either McCain or Obama. Contact him at guzzjoe@yahoo.com.

    Reader Feedback

    DanielH wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:00 PM:

    " Here's what Dan Akroyd had to say about global warming:

    http://www.spike.com/video/dan-akryoyd-snl/2802079

    ...there is a 20 second advertisement. "

    DanielH wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:10 PM:

    " Here's what Dan Akroyd had to say about global warming:

    http://www.spike.com/video/dan-akryoyd-snl/2802079

    ...there is a 20 second advertisement. "

    Gator wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:01 PM:

    " danielh, whats with the stutter, speech impediment??? "

    DanielH wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:54 AM:

    " Here's what Dan Akroyd had to say about global warming:

    http://www.spike.com/video/dan-akryoyd-snl/2802079

    ...there is a 20 second advertisement. "

    Gator wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:47 AM:

    " Does anyone really give a Rat;s A** what Dan Akroyd has to say about anything!!!
    Or any hollyweird celeb for that mater,,, "

    DanielH wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:32 PM:

    " Here's what Dan Akroyd had to say about global warming:

    http://www.spike.com/video/dan-akryoyd-snl/2802079

    ...there is a 20 second advertisement. "

    DanielH wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:10 PM:

    " Here's what Dan Akroyd had to say about global warming:

    http://www.spike.com/video/dan-akryoyd-snl/2802079

    ...there is a 20 second advertisement. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:45 PM:

    " Don't Feed The Troll!!! "

    voter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 6:11 PM:

    " I hope he is not handing out Halloween candy in this compromised state. "

    voter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 6:10 PM:

    " LOL LOL LOL! "

    Timothy wrote on Oct 31, 2008 6:08 PM:

    " Report Abuse ? I will.

    Dumb, drunk white guy needs to step away from the computer. "

    BRIAN wrote on Oct 31, 2008 5:43 PM:

    " I AM NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS UNTRUTHS.

    YOUR LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER



    Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:57 PM:

    " Brian: What about addressing your racist remarks? "


    Report Abuse

    Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:56 PM:

    " voter: Brian is quite the drinker. Frankly, I think he could be an alcoholic as he has posted many times when it seemed he was plastered. He has made a fool of himself on many occasions, just like a drunken fool. "


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    voter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:11 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:42 PM:
    "-I see you too are trying to advance the notion that government healthcare is FREE. I know you are out of touch. But this takes the cake. "

    It's only free for you. The rest of us understand that it is not free--we are the ones paying for your services. And, personally, I think it is a good investment if it keeps your kids healthy. All kids deserve the same. " "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:57 PM:

    " Brian: What about addressing your racist remarks? "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:56 PM:

    " voter: Brian is quite the drinker. Frankly, I think he could be an alcoholic as he has posted many times when it seemed he was plastered. He has made a fool of himself on many occasions, just like a drunken fool. "

    voter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:11 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:42 PM:
    "-I see you too are trying to advance the notion that government healthcare is FREE. I know you are out of touch. But this takes the cake. "

    It's only free for you. The rest of us understand that it is not free--we are the ones paying for your services. And, personally, I think it is a good investment if it keeps your kids healthy. All kids deserve the same. "

    sam wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:08 PM:

    " voter.. email me ASAP. "

    voter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:06 PM:

    " It seems odd that Brian would not be able or willing to provide health insurance for his family, but somehow is able to afford the luxury of bourbon on the rocks while he watches television in the evening. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 3:19 PM:

    " Brian, when are you going to address your racist remarks? "

    sam wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:48 PM:

    " Oh Brian. It must be so hard being you. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:46 PM:

    " Sam wrote: Obama will not send checks to non working people.

    Ok Sam, he doesn't want to enlarge the welfare state. He also doesn't want to take more of our money and use it to his liking, huh Sam?

    Are you also going to tell me he's NOT a Moral Authoritarian? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:42 PM:

    " Sam wrote: It is your guy McCain who will stop all the free health care you have grown to love. Good luck with that.

    -I see you too are trying to advance the notion that government healthcare is FREE. I know you are out of touch.
    But this takes the cake. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:26 PM:

    " I see that Brian is cussing again. No surprise.

    Hey, Brian, when are you going to address your racist remarks? I see that you are trying very hard to change the subject and bury your comments, hoping all will forget. "

    sam wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:26 AM:

    " No Brian, we do not get farm subsidies. My husband does not get paid not to grow grapes. You are so silly.

    My business has nothing to do with farming, nor does it either get federal assistance.

    And NO Brian, Obama will not send checks to non working people. He will cut their INCOME taxes if they make less than $200,000 and will guarantee no new taxes on those making less than $250,000 a year.

    It is your guy McCain who will stop all the free health care you have grown to love. Good luck with that. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:13 AM:

    " Oh Sam, you want our government to give almost the equivalent of farm subsidies to people.

    Given that you are a farmer, it doesn't seem to matter to you. You get payed to not grow crops. It's then OK to send checks out to people for doing nothing.
    This is what B.O.'s agenda is. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:07 AM:

    " Leonard, I won't vote for a man just because he's Black. It's been apparent since the B.O. train started that if you don't vote for him you are a racist.
    B.O. is an empty suit. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 3:54 PM:

    " Brian: Do you think African Americans should be allowed to vote?

    HMMM, Leonard makes this statement implying I may not Blacks to be allowed to vote and Gator calls me a troll. How they can construe that I don't want Blacks to be allowed to vote is beyond me. One thing for sure, Leonard gets an
    A in the smear dept. A being A*^hole, of course! "

    Gator wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:56 PM:

    " Leonard; I grew up in northern California and saw the tar-paper shacks the okies lived in and they were treated as bad as any black. Read Steinbeck, the okies were run out of town, shot by railroad dicks. When they were trying to unionize they were called communist and routinely pulled off rail cars and beaten by American legion members and
    Rail dicks again. One hell of a lot of them died on the spotRacism, well how about the
    American Indian no one has had it any worse and they still do. Not all have Casinos I
    Guess my point is who hasnt had it tough, get over it and move on I was a high school
    Drop out and spent 34 years in construction and then another 11 as foreman of an engineering test crew. I made damn good money and now Im enjoying the hell out of
    retirement Im a firm believer in IT PAYS TO BE A WINER and THE ONLY EASY
    DAY WAS YESTERDAY!!!! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 7:45 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:11 PM:
    " Leonard, I really think Brian is a troll


    Yeah, I am coming to that conclusion myself. I've lost a lot of respect for the guy over the last couple of days. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 7:43 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:11 PM:

    My point of view, every one has a right to voteNow about Race, what I said was some Blacks bring the heat down on them selves


    As do poor whites. Personally, I think the whole thing has a lot more to do with class than it does with race. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 30, 2008 7:39 PM:

    " Leonard, you said that just because Obama knew Ayers it wasnt significant well I beg to
    differ. You have an avowed communist and a possible President who is over the top left
    of center to the point of being Marxist that is a witches brew if I have ever seen itOne
    trillion dollars in entitlements is a hell of a good start plus his Ideas on gun control and
    free speechThe Media made him and its the medias habit to tear down what they build
    and when they turn on him, all the kings horses, well you know the drill!!!
    and he did what??? "

    sam wrote on Oct 30, 2008 6:22 PM:

    " Oh Brian, you want our government to bail you out of your house mortgage... seems you bit off more than you can handle. And you use our government for free health care for your kids.

    Now the evil, educated, articulate, intelligent black man offers to help you and you cringe.

    You are a piece of work. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:42 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:41 AM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:04 AM:

    And if you can't name a socialist country as successful as the United States, why would you consider electing a candidate that would make us less successful as a nation, and make you less successful as an individual?

    The premise of your question is fundamentally flawed.

    -The person who questions this question fundamentally flawed. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:22 PM:

    " 399 comments and not one answer to the burning question that not even
    Chris Mathews, hard core liberal could get an answer to. WHAT HAS HE DONE??? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:11 PM:

    " Leonard, I really think Brian is a troll and has your numberMy point of view, every one has a right to voteNow about Race, what I said was some
    Blacks bring the heat down on them selves, which is 100% true 70% of black children born out of wedlock and no fatherly support. A heavy lack of
    Education, over 60-70 % unemployment, Drugs, Gang Banging, young boys
    Trying to get a many girls pregnant as possible. Cosby said they are killing their race.. Let me suggest you watch the National Geographic special, The
    Street Gangs of LAIt blows the mind to see young people so stupid.12.13
    Years old and up all with gun shot scars and believing they will kill or be
    KilledLots of these folks are on welfare which tends to P*** working people offVoter you still call it racism!! To-days op-ed Cartoon says it all for me "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 4:13 PM:

    " Brian can't answer a direct question. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 3:54 PM:

    " Brian: Do you think African Americans should be allowed to vote?

    Yes or no? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:56 PM:

    " Leonard wrote: The belief that "all men were created equal", as enshrined the Declaration of Independence, is a fundamental foundation of our nation.

    -Of course. And you liberals have no problem taking it a step further with Affirmative Action. Why on earth you feel this enormous guilt that you would allow less qualified minorities to get a job that are just because of this stupid quota that isn't used near as much is beyond me.

    Please spare me your bleeding heart. Take your reverse discrimination and go jump in the lake. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:43 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:33 AM:
    What part of "not all races are equal" is wrong?


    So, if it is true, as you have said on this blog, that African Americans are not equal to white Americans, what changes should be made to our system to accommodate this supposed "fact"?

    For example do you believe that these so called "inferior people" should be allowed to vote? "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:30 AM:

    " Brian wrote "...What part of "not all races are equal" is wrong? This wisdom has been passed down from generation to generation."

    Brian: Where has this been passed down to you as wisdom? Was it at your evening bonfire with the white guys? Are you serious??? "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:27 AM:

    " -
    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM:

    "Blacks (Africans) may not have evolved as far as the rest of the world."

    and...

    "not all races are equal"

    Brian: Do you also consider other groups of people in society as not equal? How about women? How about gay people? How about people of lesser means than you? How about anyone other than a white man? Oh, and your backpedaling is laughable. You start with "not all races are equal" and then backpedal with stating you were talking about the "HUMAN race". Nice try, but we caught you in your racist remarks, Brian. Or maybe you were referring to the human race as opposed to what... the Klingon race?? WEAK! LOL! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:07 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:33 AM:
    What part of "not all races are equal" is wrong?


    The belief that "all men were created equal", as enshrined the Declaration of Independence, is a fundamental foundation of our nation.

    If you don't believe that, its hard to see how you can really call yourself an American. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:33 AM:

    " Voter, What part of "not all races are equal" is wrong?

    This wisdom has been passed down from generation to generation.

    I realize you're on of those politically correct people that doesn't want to offend anyone. You have a problem with TOO much compassion. That's why the you struggle with facts.

    Of course you're probably not an advocate of "tough love" either. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 7:35 AM:

    " Chuckle...

    They say that all wisdom is received by polishing the Prager.

    What a nasty little cult!

    :(
    "

    voter wrote on Oct 30, 2008 6:45 AM:

    " I figured out where Brian got permission to publicly announce that the races are not equal--his spiritual and political adviser, Dennis Prager. Prager has been all over the place delivering the most horrifyingly racist speech stating that equality is a European value not an American value. You can watch the whole disgusting thing here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-B30UlVH4&eurl=http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/prager-equality-unamerican/ "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 6:03 AM:

    " Sigh.... just so we all remember how Brian really feels about black people when he is not restricted by the bonds of sobriety.


    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM:

    no voter, Blacks (Africans) may not have evolved as far as the rest of the world.


    I think it is pretty clear from this post that Brian has a very specific race in mind. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:14 PM:

    " Brian wrote "Leonard still hasn't made a reasonable explanation to why he thinks only people have shortcomings and not a race when he knows darn well all people are part of the human race."

    Oh, Brian. You have such a difficult time here. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:53 PM:

    " Sam srote:
    Sam wrote: I donated to McCain in 2000, but never on a monthly basis. I am so proud how Obama has spent my money on his campaign. "

    And so is Obama. Of course you'll never question the millions he has received from unidentifiable sources (many are suspected to be from the middle East with terrorist ties). "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:49 PM:

    " Leonard still hasn't made a reasonable explanation to why he thinks only people have shortcomings and not a race when he knows darn well all people are part of the human race. "

    sam wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:59 PM:

    " Joe The Plumber said "a vote for Obama is death for Israel"...

    Did he forget that Sarah Palin said the Jews deserve to suffer because they have not accepted Jesus?

    AAAWWWWWWWWWWWKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!! "

    sam wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:13 PM:

    " Also, why is McCain's campaign referring to Sarah as a "whack job"?

    Is that party loyalty? "

    sam wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:12 PM:

    " My friends, tonight on Larry King, McCain also said Obama is using "unquestionable credit cards" to support him. HELLO. Last February I signed up to make monthly payments to support Obama's campaign... as did many of my family members.

    I donated to McCain in 2000, but never on a monthly basis. I am so proud how Obama has spent my money on his campaign. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:58 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:41 PM:
    " Rep. Albert Bustamante (D-Texas) Rep. Walter Fauntroy (D-Washington, D.C.)

    Rep. Carroll Hubbard Jr. (D-Ky.) Rep. Joseph Kolter (D-Pa.)

    Rep. Nicholas Mavroules (D-Mass.) Rep. Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio)

    Rep. Carl Perkins Jr. (D-Ky.) Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)

    Rep. Dan Rostenkowski (D-Ill.) the king!!! Rep. Larry Smith (D-Fla.)

    Rep. Walter Tucker III (D-Calif.). Leonard as you can see these are all Democrats
    And crimes ranged from child porn, sex with minors (girls and Boys) out right theft,
    Embezzlement and fraud

    Rep. Jay Kim (R-Calif.) fraud 230,0


    My point exactly! All of these people served in the same body (the US Congress) as John McCain. If we are to apply the same argument that you have been making regarding Obama and Ayers to these individuals and McCain you will have to admit that their crimes taint McCain (along with the crimes of Craig, Stevens, Foley and all the other GOP crooks in Congress). "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:49 PM:

    " Obama should have been a Tailor the way he can cut and sew his version of the truthIf you believe him then you can see why people bought the Yugo
    And the Edsel With his work on the Joyce Foundation he did his best to
    Junk the Second Amendment; he threw millions of Dollars from donations at it with hopes of ridding America of gunsA person is judge by the company they keep that is why he tends to throw Ayers under the Bus. It is just that reason its a dangerous relationship, after all Ayers and the weather underground planed on killing 25 million Americans that couldnt be re-trained. You dont need to take my word read Ayers Communist manifesto
    Prairie Fire its all there their other plans were to divide the country up
    Between Russia and China, nice folks "

    sam wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:41 PM:

    " My friends, tonight on Larry King, McCain said Obama was NOT a socialist. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:41 PM:

    " Rep. Albert Bustamante (D-Texas) Rep. Walter Fauntroy (D-Washington, D.C.)

    Rep. Carroll Hubbard Jr. (D-Ky.) Rep. Joseph Kolter (D-Pa.)

    Rep. Nicholas Mavroules (D-Mass.) Rep. Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio)

    Rep. Carl Perkins Jr. (D-Ky.) Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)

    Rep. Dan Rostenkowski (D-Ill.) the king!!! Rep. Larry Smith (D-Fla.)

    Rep. Walter Tucker III (D-Calif.). Leonard as you can see these are all Democrats
    And crimes ranged from child porn, sex with minors (girls and Boys) out right theft,
    Embezzlement and fraud

    Rep. Jay Kim (R-Calif.) fraud 230,000

    Rep. Donald "Buz" Lukens (R-Ohio sex with 16 year old girl All from Mother Jones "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:20 PM:

    " Ivan, so you believe Obama saw the country turning onto Hitlers Germany!! Well if you believe that what are you still doing here
    let me suggest my brother-in-laws country of origin Pakistan, take
    a trip over there and see just how good you have it here "

    Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:55 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:14 PM:
    " Denial aint no river in Egypt, but the truth is the truth Barack Obama is such a radical that .... he was comparing our government, which had in less than nine months prior transitioned from Clinton to Bush, to Hitler's.

    So what, you want to penalize the guy for being prescient? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:14 PM:

    " Denial aint no river in Egypt, but the truth is the truth Barack Obama is such a radical that prior to the worst terror attacks in our nation's history, when most Americans were blissfully unaware of al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden, he was comparing our government, which had in less than nine months prior transitioned from Clinton to Bush, to Hitler's. It's the company you keep, that being said U-Tube Ayers' Weathermen planned "re-education", genocide http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=NJn5b8_weUY
    Leonard if you have it in print and on Video how can it be a smear. I will
    Spot your Larry Craig for Barney Frank who ran a gay prostitution ring
    From his DC apartment and got a pass from the Dems and media "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:14 PM:

    " To clarify, Mark Foley is a former congressman.

    He is still a registered Republican and a donor to the McCain campaign. "

    hammerhead83 wrote on Oct 29, 2008 2:27 PM:

    " EASY WIN FOR OBAMA "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:48 PM:

    " You see, I could go on and on applying this whole guilt by association thing ad nuaseum but is there really a point? Do these smear tactics really add anything to the discourse?

    OR... do they simply serve to muddy the waters and distract voters from the very real questions we face regarding America's future, question for which John McCain apparently has no answers? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:45 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:30 PM:

    " William Ayers is a communist.


    And former Republican Mark Foley is child molester. Do McCain's years of associations with Foley figure into this election? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:43 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:30 PM:

    William Ayers is a communist.


    And Republican Senator Ted Stevens is a criminal. Does McCain's history of interactions with Stevens figure into this election? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:42 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:30 PM:
    " William Ayers is a communist.


    And Senator Larry Craig is a pervert.

    Does the fact that John McCain served for years in the same caucus as Craig, frequently lunched with Craig and even attended fundraisers at his home figure into this election? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:30 PM:

    " William Ayers is a communist. But don't take my word for it. He said so himself:
    And not some nicey-nice peace-and-love kind of communist. Through his group the Weather Underground, Ayers was planning to "seize power" in a violent communist takeover of the United States: Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism, which was written and published in 1974 by William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and other members of the Weather Underground Link provided
    http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/ Its very long but a good read about Ayers and Obama "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:45 AM:

    " Oh, Brian. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:43 AM:

    " That said, the question of why one would vote for John McCain, a man who helped put America on the road to ruin and now wants to stomp on the accelerator, is a good one.

    America simply cannot afford another 4 years of this failed GOP leadership. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:41 AM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:04 AM:

    And if you can't name a socialist country as successful as the United States, why would you consider electing a candidate that would make us less successful as a nation, and make you less successful as an individual?


    The premise of your question is fundamentally flawed. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:04 AM:

    " My question to the American voter is simple: can you name one socialist-led country that has ever been nearly the success story the United States has been? And if you can't name a socialist country as successful as the United States, why would you consider electing a candidate that would make us less successful as a nation, and make you less successful as an individual? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:49 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:00 AM:

    You're not going to sleeze your way out of this.


    I'm not the one trying desperately to bury my previous statements.

    Have you ever thought about attaching a breathalyzer to your computer? It might save you a lot of embarrassment. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:26 AM:

    " The government paying people to not work is not very wise.

    One could argue that it's like farm subsidies. My argument is it's not like it at all. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:09 AM:

    " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

    Yes, But I still don't understand why the left feels terrorists that aren't U.S. citizens should be granted the same rights as law abiding Americans. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:03 AM:

    " Leonard, Sigh...How little you understand how B.O. has used Affirmative Action to get where he is.

    I didn't know you are an advocate of Reverse Discrimination. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:00 AM:

    " Leonard,

    The HUMAN race has it's shortcomings.

    You said people only have shortcomings, not a race.

    You're not going to sleeze your way out of this.

    Moreover, humans can't all perform on the same level. If they did, there would be no need for competition.

    Redistribution of wealth is none other than eliminating some of the competition to
    get the wealth. What part of this don't you understand? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:50 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:45 AM:

    " The whole problem with the left is they desire equality. This is impossible.


    Sigh....Brian, how little you understand what it means to be an American. We do not desire Equality, Equality is a fact. What we desire is that the Equality of all people be recognized by the laws and the state.

    If you have a problem with that, you can take it up with the Founders.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:49 AM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:34 AM:

    " Nice try Gator.

    What you fail to mention is the fact that the International Republican Institute channeled hundreds of thousands of dollars to Khalidi in the 1990s.

    Guess who the chairman of the International Republican Institute was at that time?

    None other than John McCain!

    What a Maverick! "


    -And so has the U.S. government, as a whole, channelled billions of dollars all over the world that ends up in corrupt regime's pocketbooks. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:45 AM:

    " The whole problem with the left is they desire equality. This is impossible.

    Brace yourself Leonard!

    Some humans just can't go the distance as well as others.

    All civilizations are not created equal. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:34 AM:

    " Nice try Gator.

    What you fail to mention is the fact that the International Republican Institute channeled hundreds of thousands of dollars to Khalidi in the 1990s.

    Guess who the chairman of the International Republican Institute was at that time?

    None other than John McCain!

    What a Maverick! "

    Brian wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:30 AM:

    " Leonard wrote: Brian: No race is inferior to another. People have shortcomings, not a race. "

    -Leonard, The HUMAN race has it's shortcomings and inferiorities.

    Just thought I'd let you know.

    I'm awaiting your declaration that humans don't fall short of the glory of God. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:02 AM:

    " Obama Praised Terrorist Spokesman!!
    What is news is that the terrorist mouthpiece he supports, for once, isn't a domestic terrorist. Nope. this time, it's an alleged PLO spokesman: The Los Angeles Times is refusing to release a videotape that it says shows Barack Obama praising a Chicago professor who was an alleged mouthpiece for the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was a designated terrorist group in the 1970s and '80s. Khalidi, of course, has ties toyou guessed itBill Ayers, as well as Obama. Some are arguing that the LA. Times is covering for Obama in a partisan manner by refusing to release the tape. Who does this surprise? "

    Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:40 AM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:34 PM:

    " You ask an interesting question, Leonard, in your 8:45 am post--where were the intelligent conservatives when Brian began spewing his racist comments? I would like to suggest that ALL of the decent, intelligent folks on the right know that McCain, the GOP, Fox News, and rightwing radio are fomenting hate and emboldening racists like Brian. These intelligent conservatives see it, they know it, and they don't like it, but to admit it would be like disavowing their own mother, their own religion. This is how much their identity is tied up in their political affiliation. How could you vote for McCain if you were to admit that he was validating and emboldening racism?"


    I'm standing on my chair clapping. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:43 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:22 PM:

    " I hope there will be a day when people can point out shortcomings of another race without being called a racist. It's becoming tiresome. "

    Brian: No race is inferior to another. People have shortcomings, not a race. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:09 PM:

    " FROM THE INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE:

    McCain received another blow later Tuesday when a poll of registered voters in his home state of Arizona showed him in a statistical dead heat with Obama. By contrast, the Illinois senator is leading by more than 30 percentage points in his own state.

    LOL!!!!

    Maybe Brian changed his vote.

    :) "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:09 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:57 PM:

    " sam wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:33 PM:
    " Brian said "As I said before, all races have inferiorities."

    I am just curious Brian, what are these inferiorities? Can you list them?

    Yes Brian, please do. "


    With bated breath I wait.... "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:57 PM:

    " sam wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:33 PM:
    " Brian said "As I said before, all races have inferiorities."

    I am just curious Brian, what are these inferiorities? Can you list them?


    Yes Brian, please do. "

    voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:51 PM:

    " Edumacation, if you are not listening to Fox or Limbaugh, where are you getting this misinformation? "

    voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:51 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:40 PM:

    " edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:09 PM:

    WHO DO YOU TRUST THE MOST?

    Clearly not you. "



    LOL!! "

    leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:41 PM:

    " Voter is right on the count, it was 90-8.

    Mea culpa. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:40 PM:

    " edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:09 PM:

    WHO DO YOU TRUST THE MOST?


    Clearly not you. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:39 PM:

    " edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:09 PM:
    " To voter: I agree with you except on one issue. NO ONE FORCED BILL CLINTON TO SIGN THE BILL. There wasn't enough support in congress to overide his veto.


    Again, this is a complete fiction. The bill passed 92-8. "

    sam wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:33 PM:

    " Brian said "As I said before, all races have inferiorities."

    I am just curious Brian, what are these inferiorities? Can you list them? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:22 PM:

    " I hope there will be a day when people can point out shortcomings of another race without being called a racist. It's becoming tiresome. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:16 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:59 PM:

    " Brain, will you take this opportunity to step up to the plate and condemn the right wing extremists that were plotting to kill Obama even though they share your beliefs regarding the inferiority of black people?

    -L, I condemn all extremists. It is a sad day when people will stoop that low.
    Perhaps they do believe blacks are inferior.That's sad. As I said before, all races have inferiorities. Does this make me a racist? I think not. "

    edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:15 PM:

    " To leonard: Sorry I don't watch Fox news or listen to self-appointed talking head spinmeisters like Hannity or Limbaugh. They NEVER repudiate the illegal acts of those they support. Democratic Talking heads are also the same. When has any liberal "talking head" your choice make a comment abouit the congressman Barney Frank gay prostitution lovefest in his own aparrtment. He received one Congressional letter that said "you are a bad boy". But no prosecution for rape, prostitution or sexual harrassment of a minor government employee. "

    voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:11 PM:

    " Edumacation, that bill was passed by the Senate 90-8 and by the House 362-57. Those are veto proof majorities. "

    edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:09 PM:

    " To voter: I agree with you except on one issue. NO ONE FORCED BILL CLINTON TO SIGN THE BILL. There wasn't enough support in congress to overide his veto. That is also a good argument against McCain. He is NO angel in any of this. But the problem remains, WHO DO YOU TRUST THE MOST? Its too bad we have two irresponsible opponents running fro President again. As you know, the history of Presidential politics is not WHO DO YOU WANT IN OFFICE. For most, its which scoundrel do you dislike the most, than VOTE AGAINST the candidate. I have only voted for two candidates I wanted in the primaries. Our country is anti-intellectual and we crave to be entertained like watching a TV sitcom or televised Sport. How do we get people away from the tube and into reading books? When that happens we will have real candidates instead of party pollster puppets. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:07 PM:

    " Leonard It wouldnt bother me in the least if he works out. We cant keep running like we areI believe one hell of a lot of poo will hit the fan after the election "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:02 PM:

    " Edumacacion apparently thinks that his lie will become true if he repeats it enough. This is a common misconception among the viewers of FOX News.

    For one reason or another, these individuals are completely incapable of wrapping their minds around the concept of a historical record. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:59 PM:

    " Brain, will you take this opportunity to step up to the plate and condemn the right wing extremists that were plotting to kill Obama even though they share your beliefs regarding the inferiority of black people? "

    edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:57 PM:

    " To Cogito: Most economists agree (from Greenspan to Bernanke) and also including Secretary Henry Paulson, that a renewal of Glass-Stegall must now be reviewed. The banks are furious about it, both Presidential candidates won't talk about it, but numerous studies are pointing to the removal of Glass-Steagall as the culprit that allowed these excesses which encouraged previoeuisaly illegal activities by banks and insurance companies. The hundreds of billions in bailouts is their "reward". As taxpayers we get nailed again. Conduct your own search. There were NO compelling reasons to eliminate Glass-Steagall, yet Mr. Clinton pursued this banker gift. Senator Hillary Clinton was also in on the machinations supporting this plan. She was elected the next year. Look at her campaign supporters. Don't you think it curious that the two most liberal Executive branch leaders OF ALL TIME, received financial support from supposedly ultra conservative banks? Normally they are like water and oil. WHY? The Clintons knew who has all the money and they played them to get more power. Now we are trying to throw money at a crisis that had its roots with appeal of Glass-Steagall. "

    voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:53 PM:

    " Edumacation--Leonard is correct. Look up the Gramm, Leach, Bliley bill. It's a Republican act all the way. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:50 PM:

    " edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:41 PM:

    Prseident Bill Clinton used his authority to dismantle Glass-Stegall in 1999.


    This is, of course, a complete fiction.

    The bill that repealed Glass Steagal was introduced by McCain's economic adviser Republican Senator Phil Gramm. John McCain helped Gramm assemble a veto proof majority thus making the President's signature irrelevant. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:46 PM:

    " Gator, I think you are wrong about Obama. Hopefully time will prove you wrong.

    I guess we will just have to wait and see since I have already voted and I doubt anything will sway your mind at this point. "

    edumacation wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:41 PM:

    " To Cogito: Perhaps you should check the history books? The Glaas-Steagal Act of 1933 was passed by Congress as an emergency measure to prevent more catastrophes that occured because of problems in the banking sector. This law prevented commercial banks from owning or being owned by investment banks and vice versa. It also prevented any type of bank from owning insurance companies or for insurance companies to own banks. During the 1920's investment trusts run by banks and a few major banks had control over our currency not the Federal Reserve like many believe. The bankers were furious and have been furious to interruipt their litle party. For 66 years bankers cajoled, fought and threatened Congress and the Executive Branch to eliminate these Glass-Steagal Act. Every Democratic and REPUBLICAN President including Ronald Reagan actively support Glass-Steagal. Prseident Bill Clinton used his authority to dismantle Glass-Stegall in 1999. He was rewarded with a hands off by the large Investment Banks and back to business as usual as in the 1920's. One of the games is to use accounting rules to hide large debts, no longer illegal because of Mr. Clinton. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:48 PM:

    " I wonder if the Democrats have ever thought if Obama had been a White man with the same questionable associations and agenda? They could not use the race card in defense of him. They would actually have to think of a way to get him elected. It just wouldn't be possible to get him elected if he was White.
    It's been made way too easy for the Democrats to defend Obama. It's all about his race that makes it easy.

    We are now hearing attacks from the MSM on Obama, the one's he thought was on his side. Betrayal is a bitch. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:41 PM:

    " The thing about remarks like those the are not worth dignifying and they truly belittle the
    person making themAs for those so-called terrorist looking at them I was surprised to
    see they had the weapon pointed in the right directional -Qaeda or the Taliban they are
    notThe United Stats produces 13 Trillion dollars in goods and services with that amount of money we could pay off the national debt in short order if we didnt give it away on entitlements and foreign aid An other waste of our money is imported oil
    the world uses 1000 barrels a second x60=1 minute x 60 = ! hr x 24 =1 day x 365 =1 year
    and we use 25% of that total and help kill our soldiers by using middle east oil.
    As for Obama I just dont trust the man, He has no track record. True he comes across smooth and nice but Im not into Marxism. Redistribution of wealth is the corner stone
    MarxismThat and the fact that he belongs to Richard M Daley are my reasons not the
    Color of his skin "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:54 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:34 PM:

    How could you vote for McCain if you were to admit that he was validating and emboldening racism?


    It is interesting to note that this is the historical moment in which Brian finally felt comfortable expressing these disgusting prejudices. "

    voter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:34 PM:

    " You ask an interesting question, Leonard, in your 8:45 am post--where were the intelligent conservatives when Brian began spewing his racist comments? I would like to suggest that ALL of the decent, intelligent folks on the right know that McCain, the GOP, Fox News, and rightwing radio are fomenting hate and emboldening racists like Brian. These intelligent conservatives see it, they know it, and they don't like it, but to admit it would be like disavowing their own mother, their own religion. This is how much their identity is tied up in their political affiliation. How could you vote for McCain if you were to admit that he was validating and emboldening racism? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:43 PM:

    " Its hard to imagine what he could possibly say after that.

    If I was him I would be strongly tempted to pull a Girard and start posting as Lodienron or something. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:18 PM:

    " Brian is now regrouping. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:47 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:22 PM:

    " All of this now when we have just learned that terrorists who share Brian's views were planning to murder dozens of school children and assassinate Senator Obama.

    Nice timing Brian! "

    Maybe Brian was proud of these latest news reports and felt enough pride in his racism that he wasn't scared to show his true colors in the light of day. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:22 PM:

    " All of this now when we have just learned that terrorists who share Brian's views were planning to murder dozens of school children and assassinate Senator Obama.

    Nice timing Brian! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:47 AM:

    " Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:54 AM:
    " Brian: Wow! You really stepped in it this time.


    Yeah, I had always sensed that this was lurking under the surface but it is shocking to finally see it in broad daylight. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:45 AM:

    " Sorry Gator, I should have noted that you had already dismissed these vile remarks.

    Sometimes, the brush I paint with is a little too broad. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:10 AM:

    " Leonard as for me a Conservative Democrat I believe in the old adage, you give a person
    enough rope they will hang them selves, case closed "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:54 AM:

    " Brian: Wow! You really stepped in it this time. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:45 AM:

    " Brian is a racist.

    That much we all pretty much knew.

    What surpises me is the fact that none of the respectable conservatives who frequent this blog have said a word against the shocking statements Brian made last night.

    Their tacit endorsement of the idea that some people are inferior simply because of the color of their skin is a profound disappointment.

    I honestly thought better of these individuals. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:42 AM:

    " the Fairness Doctrine

    Chuckle... yeah, I would be trying to change the topic too if I had made the statements that you made last night.

    In reference to your question, the fact that a politician supported the Fairness Doctrine would not make me more inclined to vote for them.

    In other words, no I do not support the Fairness Doctrine.

    That said, the issue is not of great concern to me. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:38 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:58 AM:

    I ask you this because your actions on these bloggs makes me think


    I doubt that. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:08 AM:

    " Ohhhhh The White Liberal Guilt. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " I'll make sure I don't point out my black shirts are inferior to white shirts in leu of all of this.

    I'm sure it's always been ok to say white shirts are inferior to black shirts with no repercussions from the left. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:58 AM:

    " Leonard, Do you deny the Fairness Doctrine is a form of censorship?

    I ask you this because your actions on these bloggs makes me think that if you could possibly find a way to silence your opponents legally you would be all for it.

    And your charge that liberals aren't interestested in any kind of talk radio is POPPYCOCK. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:52 AM:

    " I am glad to see that we have finally, at long last, gotten to the bottom of my opposition to Obama is none other than he is NOT qualified and his skin color and race has never been an issue. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:48 AM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:21 AM:

    " Brian, if you believe that people's race makes them inferior, you are, by definition, a racist.

    End of story. "

    -Leonard, Every race on Earth has inferiorities. Do you deny this?


    This race card thing is really getting old. The latest charge by the left is if you point out things about a certain race they don't believe is true you are a racist.

    Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder!

    What's the next charge? We aren't allowed to point out the ineffectiveness of certain toilet papers? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:25 AM:

    " I am glad to see that we have finally, at long last, gotten to the bottom of Brian's opposition to Obama.

    I suspect it is the same with a lot of McCain supporters.

    There isn't much that can be done with these individuals but, by laying their motivations open for all to see it becomes much harder for them to attract support from decent Americans. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:21 AM:

    " Brian, if you believe that people's race makes them inferior, you are, by definition, a racist.

    End of story. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:52 PM:

    " voter, perhaps you should do some research on evolutionary nutrition.
    It's no coincidence that African's diet
    for thousands of years is a one of the direct results of their lack of progress. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:47 PM:

    " voter, do you realize that there are Blacks who openly admit that their ancestors did not do enough to progress in Africa and this is the core problem that still plagues Africa? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:27 PM:

    " Brian, you know nothing, NOTHING, of world history, anthropology, or genetics. Your statements are racist to the core. "

    So you contend that I am a racist because I say and it is a fact some cultures have evolved faster than others? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:41 PM:

    " Good thing Im stuck in Lodi till the 9th this is getting old. Leonard its the same old crud. Studies and shrinks are just so much Bull S*** there are too many successful
    Blacks out there. Voter yes I have a problem with Obama, he has no track record, he
    Is an out and out Marxist (that is the ringer) and his baggage is to much way to much
    And no one yet can say what he has done "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:36 PM:

    " A WHITE COLONIST'S APOLOGY

    We white colonists wish to make a confession. We confess our
    sins against the black people of Africa (and those of our
    forefathers), which are outlined in detail below:-

    1. We apologize for giving them doctors, new hospitals,
    medical services that enabled them to survive plagues,
    disasters and to multiply into uncountable numbers.

    2. We apologize for teaching them to read and write the
    English language and even for putting their own languages
    down in writing for them. We even taught them mathematics
    and built hundreds (if not thousands) of schools for them
    even rebuilding and repairing same when they burnt them down
    or vandalized them.

    3. We apologize for building factories and shops, which gave
    them work. We apologize for taking them into our houses to
    work, giving them food and even paying them.

    4. We apologize for building farms out of barren bush and
    gardens from which we fed them . "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:27 PM:

    " Brian, you know nothing, NOTHING, of world history, anthropology, or genetics. Your statements are racist to the core. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:25 PM:

    " You know Voter, you just cant fix stupid, you are beyond the pale. Did you even
    Graduate from schoolAnd yes I guess you really think Cosby is a Racist!!! You
    know there millions of successful Blacks and to make your day I feel the same way
    about Whites No education no work dont cry to me. I believe this, It pays to be
    a winner and the only easy day was yesterday "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:20 PM:

    " Leonard and Co. are the epitomy of White Liberal Guilt that Blacks love. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:18 PM:

    " Leonard, So you feel Africa would have progressed if whites had not interfered?


    Read the article I posted.

    The harsh reality of evolution is: Some get a better hand of cards than others. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:12 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM:
    " no voter, Blacks (Africans) may not have evolved as far as the rest of the world. The link makes some good arguments in agreement with this.


    GATOR: Do you agree with Brian's statement (above)? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:10 PM:

    " voter, you have some facts that people of black skin from countries other than Africa are not more apt of rising above things and not wanting to play the victim here? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:07 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:04 PM:

    " Brian, a solid case could be made that you are the one that has not evolved as far as the rest of us. The typing would go faster if you had opposable thumbs. "

    As amusing as your attacks are. They are also indicative of YOUR low IQ. "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:04 PM:

    " Brian, a solid case could be made that you are the one that has not evolved as far as the rest of us. The typing would go faster if you had opposable thumbs. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:02 PM:

    " Voter, Blacks (Africans) tend to have a higher rate of committing a crime. And the skin color really doesn't matter. If it did, then why do people from India that are as black as Africans succeed so well and have a low rate of committing crimes in America? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:00 PM:

    " Voter, I think you whine to hear your self whineLeonard on the other hand can put
    forth a pretty good argument. I ran an engineering site test crew 5 Blacks and myself
    we were head and shoulders above all the other crews and all of the guys were my
    personal friends. Voter life is a bitch and then you die and you need to bust youre a**
    to get ahead, no one is owed one solitary thing like money you have to earn it, so
    when I say if you Quit school, talk so people cant understand you, Tattoo and pierce
    your self , disrespect people and are lazy you have to expect the consequences no one
    owes you squat and you will fail. Show me the racism there it all boils down to I
    dont need to blow their nose and wipe their Butt for ever "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:57 PM:

    " no voter, Blacks (Africans) may not have evolved as far as the rest of the world. The link makes some good arguments in agreement with this. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:54 PM:

    " A fish out of water". (Explaining the MYTH of *racism*)

    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.politics.misc/2005-09/msg03665.html

    Gator, this piece really gets to the root of the problem that plagues blacks. "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:49 PM:

    " Gator, you are sending the message that you believe that blacks are somehow inferior to all of the other minorities that you mentioned. That's racism. Further, you seem to be implying that Obama, because he is black, is somehow inferior and behaves like your stereotypical view of blacks (irresponsible, lazy, impregnating teenage girls, uneducated, etc.). If you walked down the road in a white sheet carrying a burning cross, you could not convey a racist attitude more clearly. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:28 PM:

    " Racist, god help you! I think you Voter need to watch Smokeys u-tube over and over
    till you get it; which I have my doubts you will. By the way are you calling Bill Cosby a racist??? Or can only a black criticize a black. What I wrote is Bill Crosby practically
    word for word. It is the bold nasty truth. You have the Vietnamese who killed 59,000
    of our young solders, they over came tremendous racism and have succeeded, so have
    Countless Arabs, Pakistanis, Cambodians, Indians (Asian) My Pakistani brother-in-law
    went to the top in a fortune 500 company and why is this?? Because they Value education, manners and respectVoter can you comprehend any of this or is it over your
    head??? I will say this, I hope Obama gets elected then I can sit around and laugh and
    say I told you so "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:23 PM:

    " Ivan, the idea that someone deserves not to be judged by the true content of their character is why Obama has come so far in this presidential campaign.

    B.O. has used affirmative action all his life. Wake up! "

    Ivan Dixon wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:00 PM:

    " The idea that someone "deserves" to be judged by the color of their skin instead of the content of their character is un American in the worst way. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:46 PM:

    " Destruction in black America is self-inflicted

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/05/destruction_in_black_america_is_self_inflicted/

    Leonard and Co, chew on this for a while and then tell me if you still think black people can't inflict racism on themselves. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:35 PM:

    " I'm sure Leonard also contends that Jesse and Al's agenda isn't a form of racism on their own kind. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:28 PM:

    " Leonard Wrote: I am curious. How can a group of people "bring racism on themselves"?

    -So now Leonard contends that people don't bring things upon themselves.

    My only conclusion about his statement is how far he is able to go with his irrational statements given the people that side with him are just as irrational.
    As long as he has a cheering section he doesn't view anything he says as irrational. Birds of a feather.

    I guess all those people with self-inflicted wounds (political, physical,social, emotional, etc) have always been a figment of our imagination, according to Leonard.

    What else doe Leonard see in his crystal ball? "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:11 PM:

    " Gator, I believe that might be the most racist post by anyone, ever, on these boards. How do your feelings regarding Jews and blacks square with your religion? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:55 PM:

    " Leonard let me disregard the remark about the Germans and Jewish people, that is dumb
    In fact who hasnt messed with the Jews? You have a sector of society who plays the Victim card like an old song, they live in squalor, and they shoot the hell out of one another; they deal drugs to old people and kids they just dont care. They drop out of school by the hundreds; the young boys get young girls pregnant and keep score, most split never intending to support the childrenMost cant hold a job for various reasons
    the way they speak, dress and lack of education. Let some one breakaway and he is
    called an Uncle Tom or whiteys lackeyBill Cosby Nailed itThose folks are their
    own worst enemy. That is why they run into a so-called racism. People are just tired of
    carrying the load for themHow long is this Bull S*** going to last There is no excuse
    what so ever for it. Leonard go to U-Tube and watch Smokey Robinsons on being black in America, it might open your eyes, but I doubt it "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:36 PM:

    " And not the brightest one either. "

    Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:29 PM:

    " Brian: So what if he was a Muslim? Why would that be a bad thing necessarily? Are you saying all Muslims are evil? You sound like McCain when he told the kook at his rally that Obama wasn't and Arab, he was a good citizen. Why are the two self-exlusive to him?

    You are a racist Brian. "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:25 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:54 PM:
    "Leonard, I amused at the level of scum you have fallen too. Lower than a bottom feeder? Definately! "

    Leonard is using the same tactics as the McCain campaign. Would you agree that McCain is lower than a bottom feeder?

    Poor Brian. Some people understand what a skillet is if you describe it, some people with less imagination need to see it, but Brian needs to be bashed over the head with it to get the concept. "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:03 PM:

    " I'm assuming, Brian, that you now understand why guilt by association is such a dishonest and disgusting tactic. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:54 PM:

    " Leonard wrote: Hmmm... a Catholic. I guess that means that you are a supporter of the Provisional IRA and other Catholic terrorist groups. To take your line of reasoning a step further, I suppose that means you yourself are a terrorist.

    Tell me Brian, have you ever bombed an Anglican pre school? "

    I only asked Leonard if he was Muslim.
    Now he's implying that I was asking him if he was a terrorist. So he casts aspersions on me.

    What a creep!

    Leonard, I amused at the level of scum you have fallen too. Lower than a bottom feeder? Definately! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:40 PM:

    " Gator, do you believe that the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust? Did those terrible Jews force those good German boys to kill them? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:36 PM:

    " I think Gator has been spending a little too much time out there in Idaho. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:36 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 3:08 PM:
    " Same old stale argument. Like I said there is racism in every country and in
    some places people bring it upon them selves.


    I am curious. How can a group of people "bring racism on themselves"?

    Are you saying that you believe that there is actual evidence that people of some races are inferior to others? "

    voter wrote on Oct 27, 2008 4:43 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 3:08 PM:
    " Like I said there is racism in every country and in
    some places people bring it upon them selves."

    It sounds like you are blaming the victim--you've just given an excuse to be racist--"people bring it upon themselves," they deserve it, in your opinion.

    This is why racism persists--attitudes like yours. It is never OK to be a racist, Gator. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 3:37 PM:

    " Gator: You may say it is the "Same old stale argument" but consider that the same old stale excuses are still given as well. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 3:08 PM:

    " Same old stale argument. Like I said there is racism in every country and in
    some places people bring it upon them selves. Change, what change?
    I said he is a product of Richard M Daley and that being said hes is just a plain
    old political hack in the emperors new shoes .I will lay you odds he will
    tax you till your hemorrhoids bleed. A Trillion dollars worth of entitlements
    with no money that spells tax for every one. There is no free lunch and the
    word entitlement should be banished from the English languageThere
    are emergencies true but to ride it for ever wont cut it. Time for the WPA
    and CCC one more timeIf you want to live in squalor thats your choice
    dont ask me to pay for it. And for the third time no answer for what has he done!! "

    MARZO2008 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:24 PM:

    " The choice is clear. Obama not mccain. mccain is out of touch with what is going on today. too old to think and to old to do any good for this country. we need someone that will lead us in the right direction. It's not only up to that one person to see what we need to do to get us back in gear. congress as well needs to be on our side and they need to do their job to help in the fight to get america back on track. back on top. U.S.
    A. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:19 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:21 AM:
    " Paranoid!! Really, I dont think so. I call it as I see it. Redistribution of wealth is purely Marxist. I dont feel sorry for people who play the victim


    You are aware that McCain plans on instituting the biggest tax increase on working Americans in history, are you not? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:18 PM:

    " Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:15 AM:
    " Well Leonard I guess that could be construed as such


    Tell me Gator, how could it possibly be construed as anything other than racist?

    Please do share! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:17 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:39 AM:

    My family and I attend Catholic services at least twice a month


    Hmmm... a Catholic. I guess that means that you are a supporter of the Provisional IRA and other Catholic terrorist groups. To take your line of reasoning a step further, I suppose that means you yourself are a terrorist.

    Tell me Brian, have you ever bombed an Anglican pre school? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:14 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:56 AM:

    Are you a Muslim?


    Chuckle....

    Nice witch hunt. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:12 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:39 AM:

    No, I've never been to a mosque or a synagogue.


    So how do you know with such certainty what Lodian would be told if she entered one? "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:21 AM:

    " Paranoid!! Really, I dont think so. I call it as I see it. Redistribution of wealth is purely Marxist. I dont feel sorry for people who play the victim
    have no self reliance or self worth. Its theirs for the taking, all it takes
    a good education, drive, pride and self respect to succeed, With out any
    of that you just wait for the hand outs and get left behind. Whos fault
    no one but po them, po them and Im not going to help them lay on
    their lazy buttBetter yet put FDRs WPA and CCC back into action
    for the Homeless and chronically unemployed, no work no money "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:12 AM:

    " Gator: You're paranoid. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " Well Leonard I guess that could be construed as such but no more
    Than clinging to religion, guns, antipathy toward people who aren't like
    them or anti- immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their
    frustrations. There is no doubt racism as there is in every country no place is exempt.
    One thing here is people who play the victim its getting old. We have had people
    From Vietnam come here and succeed Middle easterners the same, my brother-in-law
    Came here from Pakistan and became Head VP of a Fortune 500 company. So that
    Being said still no answer to what has he done!! His redistribution of wealth aint
    Going to fly, Let someone try and take a piece of my pie they will get their fingers
    Smashed.. As stated before he is a creation of Richard M Daley and the media with
    No track record. Im not happy with either choice but I will not vote for a full blown
    Marxist, closet communist "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:33 AM:

    " Leonard, How many mosques are in the Austin area? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:31 AM:

    " Leonard wrote; For a man who spends so much time attacking other peoples faith he seems to have remarkably little concern about his own soul. "

    I'm only questioning Islam. However, the likelyhood of getting my head chopped off is much higher by doing this, you may be right that I'm not concerned about my own soul. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:56 AM:

    " Leonard, You are aware that Islam is not tolerant of non-believers questioning their religon.

    I am a non-believer. I am questioning Islam. You are not tolerant of me questioning Islam.

    Are you a Muslim? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:39 AM:

    " Leonard, How little you know about me.

    My family and I attend Catholic services at least twice a month.

    No, I've never been to a mosque or a synagogue. Have you?

    How am I attacking Islam by confirming what Islam would confirm that Islam is a religon and a political and social system? How am I attacking Islam by confirming what Islam would confirm that Sharia (Islamic) Law is the system of governance in Islamic countries? Perhaps your questioning of Islam should be taken up
    with a Muslim.

    Your attacks on me are amusing. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:25 AM:

    " Confirmed: MSM Holds Video Of Barack Obama Attending Jew-Bash & Toasting a Former PLO Operative... Refuse to Release the Video!

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/confirmed-msm-holds-video-of-barack.html

    Oh the desperation of the left to get ANYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 6:02 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:33 PM:

    Go to a mosque and they will tell you Islam is not only a religon but a political and social system too.


    When have you been to a Mosque?

    Personally, I don't believe Brian has been in either a Church, a Mosque or a Synagogue in decades.

    For a man who spends so much time attacking other peoples faith he seems to have remarkably little concern about his own soul. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:55 AM:

    " Alacante wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:05 PM:
    " Vote McCain/Palin. We don't need that Arab in office

    So, Gator, if this post isn't racist, what is it?
    "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:01 AM:

    " Brian: Do you enjoy those late night meetings by the fire in your white costume? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:41 PM:

    " http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=488848639827853334

    voter, Let's set aside our thoughts on Obama.

    This link is a Robert Spencer lecture on Islam. He is one of the leading experts on Islam. Do yourself a favor and watch it. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:37 PM:

    " Gator, I wish the MSM would talk more about how Obama was groomed by the Daley Machine. Again, Obama should have been a little more forthright and not allowed the MSM to play him up so much. Reality is a bitch. " "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:33 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:17 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:46 PM:
    "Chuckle, Islam is not a race. It is a religon and moreover it is a politicial affiliation steeped in violence. That said, How am I a racist now Leonard? "


    You are in possession of fewer neurons than I previously estimated. "

    voter, Go to a mosque and they will tell you Islam is not only a religon but a political and social system too.
    Read Robert Spencer's books on Islam.

    Again, how is it that I am a racist that I am concerned that Obama may have Islamic interests?

    Also, do some research on Sharia (Islamic) Law and get back with me. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:23 PM:

    " You tell me what has he done, thats the 64.000 dollar question no one
    can answer, can you??? The media is flat out scared of him along with
    the late night comediansThe RACE card and who played it first ,no
    you dont mean good old Barry!!! He plays it better than Jackson and
    Sharpton combinedAs for being black I would for Charlie Rangle
    before ObamaChange, New, Hope are you kidding me He is nothing
    but a lap dog for the Daley Chicago political machineyou dont move
    in Chicago with out the OK by Daley "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:17 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:46 PM:
    "Chuckle, Islam is not a race. It is a religon and moreover it is a politicial affiliation steeped in violence. That said, How am I a racist now Leonard? "


    You are in possession of fewer neurons than I previously estimated. "

    Alacante wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:05 PM:

    " Vote McCain/Palin. We don't need that Arab in office with his drunk VP. A vote for Obama is a vote for a depression.

    Vote McCain "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:54 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:46 PM

    That was Leonard in the first paragraph. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:51 PM:

    " Yes Obama will need some good conservatives to catch him when he falls. If he allows himself to admit when he is wrong. I suspect, however, his arrogance won't allow him to admit too much he is in WAY over his head. that's when the reality sets in that he should have been a little more forthright and not allowed the MSM to play him up so much. Reality is a bitch. "

    Gator wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:48 PM:

    " I haven't been around for a while,I like market
    watch,no word limit...Obama now there is a piece of
    work.. Some say he is a socialist I say no bloody way
    he is a Marxist thru and thru and has no use for
    America as it stands to-day. Obama better RED than dead... "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:46 PM:

    " Your claims that Obama, a dedicated, avowed church going Christian is a Muslim are racist. You can and probably will deny this until cows come home but the fact remains.

    Chuckle, Islam is not a race. It is a religon and moreover it is a politicial affiliation steeped in violence. That said, How am I a racist now Leonard? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:32 PM:

    " The rumor is that the Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates may soon endorse Obama.

    I don't know if this will happen but, if it does, it will be unprecedented. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:27 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:16 PM:
    " At first it was amusing that people liked Obama. After a while it became sickening and eventually it was just down right scary. "


    You know Brian, to someone of your background and deficits, it probably was. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:26 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:10 PM:

    What is the source that gives you this insanity?


    Your words as posted on the blogs over the last few months.

    Your claims that Obama, a dedicated, avowed church going Christian is a Muslim are racist. You can and probably will deny this until cows come home but the fact remains. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:23 PM:

    " Leonard wrote: It just so happens that, in the case of Obama, Brian's innate racism collides with his political prejudices to form the perfect storm of hate.

    -Is this what they tell you in the Obama camp to say to people. This is such an absolute statement that only the most stupidest and narrow minded would believe. So, Camp Obama
    probably only told the most stupidest and narrow minded that someone would believe it. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:16 PM:

    " At first it was amusing that people liked Obama. After a while it became sickening and eventually it was just down right scary. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:13 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:22 PM:

    " That article was written by a second rate radio talk show host. That's your research expert? LOL! "

    -Of course Media Matters or the Daily Kos spoon fed you that he is second rate. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:10 PM:

    " Leonard, No I wouldn't vote for B.O. even if he was White.


    The rest of your assessment of me is intellectully dishonest.

    What is the source that gives you this insanity?

    Liberals always seem to be so sure that it's others who who are hate motivated.
    All the while it's THEIR hate motivated actions that they never notice. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:53 PM:

    " I think there are two issues here.

    Given his views, I don't think that Brian would vote for Obama if he was a white man. On that level, his decision is not race based.

    At the same time, the things that Brian has said (and evidently believes) over the last few months have convinced me that there is no way Brian would ever vote for a black man, even if he were the last Republican man on the planet.

    It just so happens that, in the case of Obama, Brian's innate racism collides with his political prejudices to form the perfect storm of hate.

    At first its amusing, after a while it becomes sickening and eventually it is just down right scary. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:22 PM:

    " That article was written by a second rate radio talk show host. That's your research expert? LOL! "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 4:53 PM:

    " http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/34692.html

    Media bias "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 4:41 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 4:35 PM:

    " Another racist statement. He doesn't get it.

    -If Obama was White and he had the same qustionable ties with people he wouldn't have gotten this far.

    Oh, but he's black and we don't dare question anything about him. We'll be called racists.

    I think I'm going to barf. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 4:35 PM:

    " Another racist statement. He doesn't get it. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 4:22 PM:

    " Frank, Listen up. Blacks are far more likely to call Whites racist and they don't even have to have a reason. And they get away with it. Jesse and Al have made sure Whites cannot call Blacks racists without some repercussions.. You are familiar with Jesse "Shakedown" Jackson? "

    Frank wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:57 PM:

    " Brian said "-Birds of a feather flock together. I expected more from Powell. I guess he'll be right there with all the other Blacks in the Obama camp that only a white man can be racist."

    And you do not think that is a racist comment? "

    Frank wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:56 PM:

    " Brian said -"Leonard tends to try to smear anyone he disagrees with. "

    Brian, that is exactly what you are doing to Obama and another who supports him. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:53 PM:

    " Leonard wrote: General Powell himself said that these attacks are racist.

    -Birds of a feather flock together. I expected more from Powell. I guess he'll be right there with all the other Blacks in the Obama camp that only a white man can be racist. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:48 PM:

    " We'll have to investigate how many White judges put black people in jail
    because they convicted a crime. According to Leonard's rationale, the White judges are racists. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:45 PM:

    " Leonard, Does this also mean that if a black person mentions or questions McCain's ties with questionable people
    they are racists too? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:38 PM:

    " Leonard, let me get this straight. Anyone who questions or mentions Obama's ties with questionable people are racists? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:35 PM:

    " Leonard has no problem with Obama not apologizing to the people he is going to serve if he is elected Pres. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:32 PM:

    " The man is wasted. You'll notice that at some point (probably after he started hitting the hard stuff) he stopped writing his own posts and started simply copying other people's opinions verbatim. "

    -Leonard tends to try to smear anyone he disagrees with. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:21 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:00 AM:

    " Are you suggesting, Brian, that Obama's dead father who he only met once will be running the country from the crypt? You're so desperate, that you've extended the guilt by association rap to dead people.


    LOL!

    The man is wasted. You'll notice that at some point (probably after he started hitting the hard stuff) he stopped writing his own posts and started simply copying other people's opinions verbatim. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:15 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:11 AM:
    " This is typical of the left. Us conservatives want to talk about the issues we have with Obama. And we're called racists. Sooooooo typical.


    General Powell himself said that these attacks are racist. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:14 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:09 AM:

    Obama is not the least bit apologetic about his ties with people of questionable nature.

    And you want me to apologize?! Get a grip


    Brian, with your constant racist lies you are swiftly becoming a person "of a questionable nature".

    Do I really want you to apologize?

    You betcha! "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:26 AM:

    " voter, your desperation to get anyone in the White House that is not a Republican overshadows my attempts to inform you of what we may have in store
    if Obama gets elected.

    All Colin Powell is hoping for is yet another career in politics. He's just an opportunist. Hopefully he'll come to his senses and not vote for Obama. If he doesn't, we at least may see him not
    take Obama's side if he knows what's godd for the country. I suspect he'll be one of the first in line not supporting some of Obama's radical agenda. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:00 AM:

    " Are you suggesting, Brian, that Obama's dead father who he only met once will be running the country from the crypt? You're so desperate, that you've extended the guilt by association rap to dead people. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed, Obama Sr. wrote. I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development.

    GOOD STUFF! NOT! "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:20 AM:

    " So who is the real Obama: The one who considers the question of when a baby gets human rights "above my pay grade" or the one who promises never to relent in his refusal to recognize the rights of the unborn?

    The answer can be found in the curious silence of Obama's allies at Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America, who seem unruffled by his recent backpedaling on their core issue. Unlike some of Obama's pro-life supporters, they know that the truth about a politician's views lies not in his rhetoric but in his record.

    -- Colleen Carroll Campbell is an author, television and radio host and St. Louis-based fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. Her website is www.colleen-campbell.com. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:07 AM:

    " A list of organizations pro McCain:

    American Conservative Union
    American Enterprise Institute
    Americans for Prosperity
    Americans for Tax Reform
    Cato Institute
    Center for Individual Freedom
    Centre for The Study of Terrorism and Political Violence
    Claremont Institute
    Clemson Institute for the Study of Capitalism
    Club for Growth
    Competitive Enterprise Institute
    Ethics and Public Policy Center
    EYE On The UN
    Federalist Society
    Foreign Policy Research Institute
    Foundation for Defense of Democracies
    Freedom House
    Global Security
    Heritage Foundation
    Hoover Institution
    Hudson Institute
    Institute for Justice
    James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions
    Jane's Information Group
    Lexington Institute
    Manhattan Institute
    National Center for Policy Analysis
    One Jerusalem
    Presidential Coalition (The)
    Tocqueville Forum
    Washington Institute for Near East Policy "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:01 AM:

    " http://www.liberallyconservative.com/?p=2519

    Obamas Boot Camp Lobotomy - Brainwashing Americas Youth "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:58 AM:

    " Frank, many people who cozied up to Hitler thought they were doing the right thing too.

    To each his own.

    Just because you're educated and smart doesn't mean you don't have momentary losses of reason. "

    Frank wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:16 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:35 AM:

    " these people are also uninformed
    or just plain stupid. "

    I heard they are also secretly radical Islamics. "

    Frank wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " more uneducated, uninformed Republicans for Obama:

    Columnists and Academics:
    Jeffrey Hart, National Review Senior Editor

    Andrew Bacevich, Professor of International Relations at Boston University

    David Friedman, Economist and son of Milton and Rose Friedman

    Christopher Buckley, Son of National Review founder William F. Buckley & former NR columnist

    Andrew Sullivan, Columnist for the Atlantic Monthly
    Wick Alison, Former publisher of the National Review

    Michael Smerconish, Columnist for the Philadelphia Enquirer

    CC Goldwater, Granddaughter of Barry Goldwater "

    Frank wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:14 AM:

    " more uninformed, uneducated Republicans for Obama

    Elected Officials:
    Jim Leach, Former Congressman from Iowa

    Lincoln Chafee, Former United States Senator from Rhode Island

    William Weld, Former Governor of Massachusetts

    Arne Carlson, Former Governor of Minnesota

    Wayne Gilchrest, Congressman from Maryland

    Richard Riordan, Former Mayor of Los Angeles

    Lowell Weicker, Former Governor and Senator from Connecticut

    Jim Whitaker, Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor

    Linwood Holton, Former Governor of Virginia "

    Frank wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:12 AM:

    " Uninformed, Uneducated Republicans for Obama:
    Government Officials:
    Colin Powell, Secretary of State under Bush 43

    Douglas Kmiec, Head of the Office of Legal Counsel under Reagan & Bush 41

    Charles Fried, Solicitor General of the United States under Reagan

    Jackson M. Andrews, Republican Counsel to the U.S. Senate

    Susan Eisenhower, Granddaughter of President Eisenhower & President of the Eisenhower Group

    Francis Fukuyama, Advisor to President Reagan
    Rita Hauser, Former White House intelligence advisor under George W. Bush

    Larry Hunter, Former President Reagan Policy Advisor

    Bill Ruckelshaus, served in the Nixon and Reagan administrations

    Ken Adelman, served in the Ford administration "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:09 AM:

    " LOL!
    Pamela Geller, the bikini blogger, feeds your racist fears, and you state that Colin Powell is uninformed and stupid? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:01 AM:

    " http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obama-islam-and.html

    Kenya, Islam and Obama Hussein

    -voter, I'm sorry you are so far into your fantasy world that reality is alien to you now. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " Go sleep it off, Brian. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:37 AM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:35 AM:

    " What are you talking about, Brian? "

    voter, are YOU drinking? "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:36 AM:

    " You sure sound like a victim, Brian. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:35 AM:

    " voter, these people are also uninformed
    or just plain stupid. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:35 AM:

    " What are you talking about, Brian? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:32 AM:

    " voter, You'll be hard pressed to get Obama to refute his ideology that we are all victims. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:31 AM:

    " Ken Adelman, Colin Powell, David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, and Scott McClellan--to name just a few--are not uneducated or struggling, Brian. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:28 AM:

    " Hmmm, Isn't it Obama that is attracting the uneducated, struggling, and needing someone or something to blame? It's these people that want the government ot take care of them.

    McCain supports prefer less government. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:20 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:19 AM:
    " voter, a virtual who's who of intellectual liberals and columnists have refuted your smears and endorsed McCain. Media Matters is playing on your agenda. "


    He's drinking. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " You've become a caricature of "The Angry White Man", Brian. Uneducated, struggling, and needing someone or something to blame. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " voter, a virtual who's who of intellectual liberals and columnists have refuted your smears and endorsed McCain. Media Matters is playing on your agenda. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:16 AM:

    " Leonard may be the one that's drunk. He wants to talk about druids and wicker baskets.

    Was theatre and basket weaving some of your strong points in high school Leonard? "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:16 AM:

    " Brian, a virtual who's who of intellectual conservatives and columnists have refuted your smears and endorsed Obama. Fox News/Wingnut Radio is playing on your racism. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:14 AM:

    " Leonard, my mind is focused like a laser beam.

    As for your's, well, have another cup of java. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:11 AM:

    " This is typical of the left. Us conservatives want to talk about the issues we have with Obama. And we're called racists. Sooooooo typical. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:09 AM:

    " Leonard Wrote: The Druids in Scotland used to lock people up in wicker baskets.

    -A long time ago. We're dealing with present times. And what is going on in Kenya is of the present. Like I said, you don't have a clue about Obama.

    Obama is not the least bit apologetic about his ties with people of questionable nature.

    And you want me to apologize?! Get a grip. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:05 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:04 AM:

    Could it be they are stronger in Kenya too? HMMM


    Brian, are you drunk on a Sunday morning? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:05 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:04 AM:

    There are reports that Al-Qaeda is even stronger now in parts of the world


    The legacy of 8 years of failed GOP policies. "

    voter wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " You beat me to it, Leonard. Brian is a flat out racist--an ignorant, uneducated racist. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " "Their" that is. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Islamic charities in Kenya are providing Al-Qaeda with operating funds. "Al Qaeda Skimming Charity Money: U.S., Saudi Crackdown Has Largely Failed To Stop Money Flow," from CBS News, June 7, 2004.

    There are reports that Al-Qaeda is even stronger now in parts of the world.

    Could it be they are stronger in Kenya too? HMMM "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:03 AM:

    " These posts of Brian's are typical of McCain supporters across America.

    There informal motto has become Defeat with Dishonor.

    Personally, I am saddened to see the honor of a man I once admired so completely soiled both by his own statements and those of his followers. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:00 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:41 AM:
    " When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election in Kenya, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire.

    -I think Obama and his followers are a little more civilized. Let's hope I'm right.


    Where's McCain from? Scotland? The Druids in Scotland used to lock people up in wicker baskets and light them on fire. I sure hope McCain doesn't do that if he becomes President.

    Brian, your post is racist, straight up simple and plain.

    You should apologize. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:52 AM:

    " I don't know why some people think it's taboo to talk about Sharia Law. It's part of everyday life for millions of Muslims. Not that I would want any part of it.

    Never before in this country have we had a person so close to becoming President that wants to take this country in such a DIFFERENT direction and the ones vying for him don't want to discuss the direction he may very well take this country. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:41 AM:

    " When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election in Kenya, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire.

    -I think Obama and his followers are a little more civilized. Let's hope I'm right. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:30 AM:

    " Well Leonard, You don't have a clue about what may happen in this country under an Obama Presidency.

    Sharia Law is widely used in Muslim countries and is trickling it's way over here. Given the ties Obama has with Kenyan politicians I DON'T consider it foolish to think that he may have a vested interested in turning up the trickle. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:09 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:17 AM:
    " voter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " Al Qaeda is "voting" for McCain too. What's your point Brian? "

    voter, We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. If you want to talk bubble gum get on a private chat with Lodian.


    You are trying to have an intelligent conversation?

    Really?

    No Brian, I simply don't believe it. If you were really trying to have an intelligent conversation, would you ever have written the following:

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:02 AM:

    And, we do need to be worried about Sharia Law too. Obama may impose this here if he gets elected. It's not pretty.
    "

    Brian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:06 AM:

    " Bob Husslob,
    Seems to me you have an axe to grind with the military. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:01 PM:

    " Oh, Brian. "

    Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:07 PM:

    " That's exactly what I contend Brian. The brass voting for one of their own is not surprising. The military not voting for McCain would be shocking. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:33 AM:

    " Bob Husslob contends that the career military voting for McCain is No Big Deal. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:17 AM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " Al Qaeda is "voting" for McCain too. What's your point Brian? "

    voter, We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. If you want to talk bubble gum get on a private chat with Lodian. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:06 AM:

    " Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:01 AM:

    Wow... That's uncalled for. The man's grandmother is dying.


    They're desperate. Its all they've got. "

    Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:58 AM:

    " Of course Brian leaves out these facts: According to Army Times, the poll was not representative of the entire military. Respondents were those of high rank, career military officers, and did not represent the ethnic diversity of the military. In other words, they polled the old white guys in uniform. Big deal. "

    voter wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:58 AM:

    " Al Qaeda is "voting" for McCain too. What's your point Brian? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:07 AM:

    " The latest military poll shows 77% are voting for McCain. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:05 AM:

    " Leonard wrote: Given the bitter animosity between Communists and Muslims, I find Brian's frantic claims that Obama is both amusing. "

    -They are rival political entities. Islam makes no bones about saying their agenda is very political. Amusing may not be the best word to describe the bitter animosity between Communists and Muslims. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:53 AM:

    " Sam, just curious. Do YOU have a habit of throwing people under the bus because you have disagreements with them? "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:51 AM:

    " sam wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:49 PM:

    " Brian, just curious, I thought you liked President Bush. You support your McCain bashing Bush now?? "

    -I don't know why I should throw Bush under the bus because McCain has disagreements with him. And visa versa. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:45 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:41 AM:

    " Hey Lodian, way to divert the discussion from the big picture though.

    -Lodian is well known for this. She prefers to concentrate on the bubble gum side of politics. She'd fit in quite well with the staff at the "Enquirer". "

    Brian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:41 AM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:25 PM:

    " Brian, Palin's make-up artist is the highest paid person on McCain's staff. You don't think this is a little ridiculous? She claims to be "regular folk"--the wife of Joe Six Pack.

    -the Huffington Post has nothing better to do than report Palin's spending habits. McCain/Palin is still way behind Obama/Biden when it comes to frivilous spending.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/14/politics/uwire/main4519877.shtml

    It is quite ironic that Biden would not let Gov. Sarah Palin forget her initial support of the "Bridge to Nowhere" during their debate last week, because it was actually Congress that financed the project. In 2005, both Biden and Obama voted to support funding for the "Bridge to Nowhere" project rather than funding for more Hurricane Katrina relief. "

    Mainframe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:01 AM:

    " Cogito: are you choking?? do you need me to do the heimlich maneuver on you man?? ha ha "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:41 AM:

    " Hey Lodian, way to divert the discussion from the big picture though. Nice try. Although it's probably pretty hard to be a big picture person AND an Obama supporter. Ready to lead the country after a 143 day stint in the Senate. Bahahahahahaha! "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:04 AM:

    " Lodian, he called her that, not me. Everybody dies, that's part of life. She lived a long life, what's wrong with being matter of fact about someone I don't know or care about? "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:01 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:45 PM:

    " Sam, how much is Obama spending flying his Boeing 757 campaign plane to Hawaii to watch the "typical white person" die? "

    Wow... That's uncalled for. The man's grandmother is dying. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:59 PM:

    " sam wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:16 PM:

    " In the past 2 weeks Palin spent $22,000 plus for her hair and makeup artist. OOps... I mean the GOP spent it... above and beyond her clothes.

    Way to go Sarah. "


    sam: How funky must Palin look without the $150,000. spent on hair, clothes and make-up? Geez! "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:45 PM:

    " Sam, how much is Obama spending flying his Boeing 757 campaign plane to Hawaii to watch the "typical white person" die? What do you think THAT cost? Isn't that kind of excess, at the expense of the party, also very poor for the environment? Do you only hold those accountable that you don't plan on voting for? "

    DanielH wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:58 PM:

    " Guzzardi: You're playing the rep vs. dem game. This game has no winner and no end, and it does not help America.

    If you say McCain is clueless, then what are you saying about the people that cast their vote for them?

    ...how about people who place their political party before God? "

    sam wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:49 PM:

    " Brian, just curious, I thought you liked President Bush. You support your McCain bashing Bush now?? "

    sam wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:48 PM:

    " Brian, I would never vote for Kerry. I voted for Bush Jr ... twice.

    I have learned from my mistakes. Good night. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:26 PM:

    " voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:56 PM:
    " I guess you know your campaign is in the crapper when one of your top aides publicly announces that he has just voted for your opponent via absentee ballot!

    Charles Fried just announced he's voted for Obama based on McCain's selection of Palin in a time of national crisis.


    The way things are going, McCain himself will have endorsed Obama by election day.

    Heck, every other moderate Republican has. "

    voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:25 PM:

    " Brian, Palin's make-up artist is the highest paid person on McCain's staff. You don't think this is a little ridiculous? She claims to be "regular folk"--the wife of Joe Six Pack. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:13 PM:

    " Yeah Sam, and I bet you had nothing to say about John Kerry's spending habits on his hair.

    Neither have you ever questioned Michell Obama's spending habits on her wardrobe. "

    sam wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:10 PM:

    " The study of fruit flies should be banned? Wasteful spending... Is Palin an IDIOT?? (never mind)

    The major research for Autism is coming from fruit fly studies.

    Oh, that's right.. let's just throw some money at the autistic kids and cancel the research.

    I know she is being provided the hair and makeup artist, and the clothes... can't she HIRE a brain???? "

    sam wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:16 PM:

    " In the past 2 weeks Palin spent $22,000 plus for her hair and makeup artist. OOps... I mean the GOP spent it... above and beyond her clothes.

    Way to go Sarah. "

    voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:56 PM:

    " I guess you know your campaign is in the crapper when one of your top aides publicly announces that he has just voted for your opponent via absentee ballot!

    Charles Fried just announced he's voted for Obama based on McCain's selection of Palin in a time of national crisis. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:07 AM:

    " The bottom line is that this administration had made a huge mess and we need someone to come in a clean it up.

    Move this country in the right direction!

    *** OBAMA 2008 *** "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:14 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:02 AM:

    And, we do need to be worried about Sharia Law too. Obama may impose this here if he gets elected. It's not pretty.


    Given the bitter animosity between Communists and Muslims, I find Brian's frantic claims that Obama is both amusing. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:13 AM:

    " A poem by Horace Mann:

    No man survives when freedom fails;
    The best men rot in filthy jails.
    And those who cry "Appease, Appease!"
    Are hanged by those they tried to please. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:06 AM:

    " http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/09/20-year-plan-to-overthrow-us-government.html "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:02 AM:

    " Mazie, good one. Much of that I already knew. But, I like to get my memory refreshed.

    And, we do need to be worried about Sharia Law too. Obama may impose this here if he gets elected. It's not pretty. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:50 AM:

    " Leonard says his life is full of causes that he actually cares about. HMM, he volunteers at the Obama camp. I would think that he would care about whether the MSM is being truthful about Obama. "

    Mazie wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:44 AM:

    " http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:41 AM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:22 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:05 AM:

    " Leonard, the "Fairness Doctrine" is a full frontal assault on our capacity to be free speaking, free thinking citizens.

    Like I said, I don't really have a horse in this race. It would seem to me that the fact that the airwaves are publicly owned would muddy the waters but I can see both sides of the argument.

    Those who give a fig about this issue will have to resolve it without my input. "

    -Leonard doesn't give a fig about the airwaves and the ability to get out information out in an uncensored manner.
    He's sounding more and more like a commy everyday. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:35 AM:

    " Dyan wrote: Libs are exceptional good at avoiding issues that do not fit the party line. "

    -Yes, and if it wasn't for conservatives, libs wouldn't have anything not to think about. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:22 AM:

    " Leonard wrote: Hell, when I googled the issue, I saw that the ACLU was offering them legal aid.

    -It's not conservatives fault that the ACLU has many fringe interests. There are still many great things that the ACLU has done. Unfortunately, when they take sides with CAIR it casts a dark shadow on them. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:15 AM:

    " Cogito Wrote: If it weren't for conservative radio and Fox news, we wouldn't know anything about Obama except he is the second coming.

    -This is an understatement to the Nth magnitude.

    And we would never nearly as much hear about people like Charles Krauthammer, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Victor Davis Hanson, Steve Emerson, Kenneth Timmerman, Mark Steyn, the list goes on and on of people that have a conservative foundation, if it wasn't for conservative talk radio and Fox.

    Leonard, put that in your pipe and smoke it. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:02 AM:

    " Leonard wrote:

    Well, that does seem rather silly. Liberals simply don't have much use for Talk Radio. Outside of a few markets, they never have and they never will. The idea of believing what you are told to believe just doesn't mesh with the liberal mindset.

    -Liberals cozying up to Obama doesn't have anything to do with the liberal media cozying up to him? Ok Leonard.
    I should never doubt that crystal ball of yours. Please enlighten us with some more of your wisdom. LOL "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:18 AM:

    " As I said, there are plenty of people who are willing to aid these individuals, they don't need my help.

    I will say, however, that the ACLU's involvement in their defense does give me a small case of the chuckles.

    Gotta love the irony. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:32 AM:

    " Of course, if ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and NPR suddenly turned conservative, something tells me Leonard would be singing a different tune. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:30 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:19 AM:

    " My point is Leonard is that it is something you Should care about, if you care about free speech. If you watch the msm on a regular basis, when is the last time you've seen a positive McCain story? A negative Obama story? Do these people really seem objective to you? I see them pandering to the loonies on the left on a regular basis. If it weren't for conservative radio and Fox news, we wouldn't know anything about Obama except he is the second coming.


    My life is far to full of causes that I actually care about for me to be devoting my attention to Rush Limbaugh's right to be verbally flatulent on the radio.

    Lets leave it at that. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:19 AM:

    " My point is Leonard is that it is something you Should care about, if you care about free speech. If you watch the msm on a regular basis, when is the last time you've seen a positive McCain story? A negative Obama story? Do these people really seem objective to you? I see them pandering to the loonies on the left on a regular basis. If it weren't for conservative radio and Fox news, we wouldn't know anything about Obama except he is the second coming. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:59 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:54 AM:

    This is akin to conservatives demanding that at least half of all professors in public universities teach from a conservative viewpoint.


    Conservatives have made that demand on a number of occasions.

    Look Cog. I am open to the possibility that you are right. I just honestly don't care. The right wing thought leaders on Talk Radio have made a ton of money fleecing the dims of the right. I am sure that they can hire lobbyist to fight for their right to continue to do so.

    Hell, when I googled the issue, I saw that the ACLU was offering them legal aid. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:56 AM:

    " Cogito: Excellent point!! "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:54 AM:

    " Leonard, there are no private airwaves. This is akin to conservatives demanding that at least half of all professors in public universities teach from a conservative viewpoint. They ARE public universities. How would you feel about that. Would you have a horse in that race? "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:49 AM:

    " I noticed you slipped out of the noose on the college campus issue. Libs are exceptional good at avoiding issues that do not fit the party line. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:47 AM:

    " Why do I get the feeling that you read too much left-wing fiction , my friend? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:37 AM:

    " This wasn't an issue of porn. Palin sought to ban the books because they conflicted with her religious views.

    The whole episode is just one more example of Palin's contempt for Freedom and Liberty. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:29 AM:

    " You're right, Len. Kids should be able to read all the porn they can get their hands on. Look how deprived we were! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:19 AM:

    " I would say that Palin's efforts to get books banned from the Wasila Public Library characterize most conservative's position on Free Speech.

    When the librarian dared to oppose this attempt at censorship, she was dismissed. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:49 AM:

    " Except that I am FOR free speech and exchange of ideas. Apparently, most liberals are not, as college campuses prove. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:26 AM:

    " dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:21 AM:

    " Lenny would have been much happier in the Soviet Union - except he wouldn't have had his 9mm! LOL!


    What a stupid statement.

    I could just as easily say that you would be happier in Nazi Germany and my words would be equally meaningless. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:22 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:05 AM:

    " Leonard, the "Fairness Doctrine" is a full frontal assault on our capacity to be free speaking, free thinking citizens.


    Like I said, I don't really have a horse in this race. It would seem to me that the fact that the airwaves are publicly owned would muddy the waters but I can see both sides of the argument.

    Those who give a fig about this issue will have to resolve it without my input. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:21 AM:

    " Lenny would have been much happier in the Soviet Union - except he wouldn't have had his 9mm! LOL! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:19 AM:

    " Hmmm... looks like voter beat me to the punch line. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:18 AM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:59 PM:

    -Conservative thought is the foundation of this country.


    Another knee slapper. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:05 AM:

    " Leonard, the "Fairness Doctrine" is a full frontal assault on our capacity to be free speaking, free thinking citizens. We need to fight to make sure our freedoms of expression are not overseen and manipulated by government "oversight committees". Orwellian fears are being plotted as we speak. We need to stand united against it, conservative and liberal alike. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:56 PM:

    " Anthonyandrea, if it we're said, so what? Was it Palins fault? You want the death penalty? What do you propose be done? Remember, one of Obama's buddies is teaching college after blowing up government buildings and injuring people. And, Obama has a much deeper relationship with the terrorist than the media has led you to believe. But that's the ignorance you wallow in from watching the main stream media. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:50 PM:

    " Anthonyandrea, see "Cogito" Oct 20th @ 11:51 am, read and respond. "

    anthonyandrea wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:13 PM:

    " Steve and Cogito, if you have your own opinions about the candidates that's perfectly fine, what's AMAZING TO ME is that everytime your candidates respond with INCONCEIVABLE behavior, the immediate response is "The democrats are making everything up", if you are supporting your candidate for President and supporting their behavior- then acknowledge their behavior but don't outright lie about it and say it didn't happen...you can tell me the sky is green all you want but I have eyes and I can see otherwise, I also have ears, and on this clip from YouTube of a McCain rally where supporters yell "kill him" it is very easy to identify those words, so to say that it is fiction and never happened and they have no responsibility in it because the "democrats make it all up" you may want to peel your eyes away from Fox News for ten minutes and see what is really going on. Here's the link if you are too sure of yourself to look it up on your own.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swDIEJZ4yh8 "

    voter wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:31 PM:

    " Brian wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:59 PM:
    "-Conservative thought is the foundation of this country."

    Looks like another knee-slapper!
    This country was founded on revolution and dissent. The constitution was a progressive idea. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:59 PM:

    " Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:37 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:48 AM:
    "...[snip]...The subject area simply has little or no interest to me. Talk Radio could disappear entirely tomorrow and the only way I would know is that there would be a lot of Republicans sitting around with nothing to say."


    That's a knee slapper. "


    -Conservative thought is the foundation of this country. I visit an array of sites that are conservative. So, I doubt the fairness doctrine will have any affect on what conservatives are talking about. The new media is growing so fast, Pelosi and Co. will be hard pressed to stifle conservative thought.
    Pajamas TV is just the start. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:40 PM:

    " computer dropped the word "amendment" after "constitutional." "

    dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:39 PM:

    " Cogito: It won't take a constitutional
    to take our guns away. Just a liberal interpretation of the Second Amendment.
    It almost happened in the last round (5-4 vote!). "

    Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:37 PM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:48 AM:
    "...[snip]...The subject area simply has little or no interest to me. Talk Radio could disappear entirely tomorrow and the only way I would know is that there would be a lot of Republicans sitting around with nothing to say."


    That's a knee slapper. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:17 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:23 AM:

    And the left hates it.


    I don't hate it.My barber listens to Rush and I actually find it amusing when I happen to hear it.

    What I am not crazy about is the individuals (and I think we all know who I am talking about) who mistake entertainment content for factual discourse.

    When one side of this nation's political spectrum becomes fixated on a single set of talking points dictated daily from on high, the national discourse suffers.

    As an aside, this is one of the intangibles that has always attracted me to the left. The Left has never really managed to get their act together. Leftist dialogue has always been anarchic at its heart, with small disparate coalitions forming suddenly and dissolving just as quickly. The left's message has always been a spectrum whereas the Right has communicated through a laser.

    All of this is one reason why I always laugh when I hear some DittoHead talk about how the left has some "secret agenda". The fact is that the left has a thousand or perhaps tens of thousands of agendas. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:23 AM:

    " Conservative talk radio got a foothold in this country by being the only place we could hear our voice in the media. Their success bred the success of Fox News and others. And the left hates it. Cool. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:20 AM:

    " The scary thing Leonard would be WHO would decide where a particular commentator would fit in the conservative to liberal point of view mindset. My mother in law in Virginia thinks O'Reilly is a flaming Liberal. And compared to her, he IS.(My father in law was a retired Pentagon Colonel under President Reagan). Would you want her to decide who is a conservative and who is a liberal? It's an attempt at thought control by those who don't like what they hear about themselves. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:11 AM:

    " Well, that does seem rather silly. Liberals simply don't have much use for Talk Radio. Outside of a few markets, they never have and they never will. The idea of believing what you are told to believe just doesn't mesh with the liberal mindset.

    I think the governments efforts would be much better spent enforcing existing anti trust laws in the media market. The slow slide towards an informational monoculture serves no ones interest other than the corporate elites. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:31 AM:

    " Leonard, it's kind of like Title 9, only without the same merit. The problem is this, since no one will listen to liberal talk radio like the failed "Air America", no radio stations will pick it up. That will force them to take popular conservative voices off the air. Their reasoning is that the airwaves are public property, and both sides need to be mandated, wise business choices are irrelevant. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 AM:

    " Lodian, there are lots of out here, boihahahahahahaha! "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:22 AM:

    " Leonard, some Democrats like Harry Reid, want to muzzle conservative talk on the radio by limiting it to an amount reciprocal to left wing points of view. They want government to have control over the opinions we hear, plain as that. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:48 AM:

    " Cogito, I have to admit that I am completely uninformed about the Fairness Doctrine. What little I know about it comes from what Brian has told me and I have to say that I have some serious doubts about the accuracy of that information.

    The subject area simply has little or no interest to me. Talk Radio could disappear entirely tomorrow and the only way I would know is that there would be a lot of Republicans sitting around with nothing to say. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:41 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:28 AM:

    " Leonard, I agree neither one of us are extremists, even though we play one once in a while for kicks. But, neither is Sarah Palin. I am in agreement with more of her points of view than anyone in this election. "

    YIKES! "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:30 AM:

    " Leonard, you haven't answered my "Fairness Doctrine" question yet. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:28 AM:

    " Leonard, I agree neither one of us are extremists, even though we play one once in a while for kicks. But, neither is Sarah Palin. I am in agreement with more of her points of view than anyone in this election. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:17 AM:

    " I say all that with the proviso that this was not the first gun I bought. If I had it all to do over again, however, it would have been.

    The price on these is pretty high (around $650.00). Tuarus also makes a similar gun which may be a bit cheaper, I have never shot one, although I hear that they are good. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:13 AM:

    " Hey mainframe, that is a good question and it is more controversial than you might think. My answer is probably a little different than most of the ones you will hear.

    I would advise you to go with the S&W 6 inch .357 Mag shooting .38 special ammo, at least at first. The .357 is a big heavy gun which makes it a great, steady firing platform and quite accurate, even in the hands of a beginner. The stainless barrel makes this a very visible gun and greatly enhances its deterrent effect. Revolvers are simple and they will save you from many of the rookie mistakes a new shooter might make under the stress of having to use deadly force. They are also easier to clean and maintain.

    With the .38 special round in such a big gun there is very little kick and a begining shooter is less likely to develop a flinch that will ruin their accuracy. If you decide you want the stopping power of the Magnum round there is no conversion or adjustment, you simply buy a new box of ammo. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:45 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:49 PM:
    " O.K. Leonard, then you admit you're a Communist?


    I am no more a communist than you are a Nazi. I wouldn't describe either of us as extremists. "

    Mainframe wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:05 AM:

    " Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:04 PM:

    " I can tell you one thing, if the day comes that these neo fascists come to take my kid off to the Anchorage Auschwitz, my Grandfather taught me good and well how Americans deal with Nazis. "


    Hey Leonard, What kind of firearm would you suggest for a beginner? This would be for protection and maybe some sort of sport (target shooting or whatever). i have kids around the house though so i'd need to make sure it's all safe. i'm doing all the research before i actually buy something. Can you suggest any good resources or websites? thanks "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:02 PM:

    " OOOOOOH even better, Sound Doctrine:Conservatism::Failed Policies:Liberalism. Not everyone who professes to be a Conservative lives up to the name. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:03 PM:

    " My analogy would be Integrity, Honor:Conservatism::Disgrace, Dishonor:Liberalism "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:52 PM:

    " Leonard, would you consider the Fairness Doctrine a Fascist idea meant to control information? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:49 PM:

    " O.K. Leonard, then you admit you're a Communist? "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:39 PM:

    " Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:14 PM:
    " Cogito, Nazis were national socialists. There is a big difference. You need to brush up on your Mein Kampf.


    A fundamental tenet of the right is that you MUST judge a book by its cover.

    The fact is that fascism is to conservatism as communism is to liberalism. "

    Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:14 PM:

    " Cogito, Nazis were national socialists. There is a big difference. You need to brush up on your Mein Kampf. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:00 PM:

    " Remember Leonard, the Nazi's were socialists. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:59 PM:

    " Leonard, Nazis? "Chuckle" "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:57 PM:

    " Leonard, remember the scare tactic of $9.00 a gallon gas? Regular unleaded just hit $2,99.9 today locally. I guess my prediction of a 50 cent drop by Christmas was way off. Shows you what these economic Eeyore's and their mindless minions in the media know. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:04 PM:

    " The fact is that the Palin wing of the Republican Party scares the HELL out of a lot Americans.

    Here is a woman who wants to tell Americans what books they can read, who can hold a government job and when their kids should pray.

    Now her jackbooted friend, the Congresswoman from Minnesota wants to hold investigations to determine whether other people's representatives are "pro American" enough to hold the posts to which they were elected.

    Where does it all end???

    I can tell you one thing, if the day comes that these neo fascists come to take my kid off to the Anchorage Auschwitz, my Grandfather taught me good and well how Americans deal with Nazis. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:21 PM:

    " Dyan, not even Obama will be able to amend the Constitution. It takes 2/3rds Congress and 3/4th of the states to ratify. That's a big obstacle. It only takes 13 states to override the rest. Our document is pretty much scoundrel proof. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:00 PM:

    " dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:45 PM:

    " Leonard: With you, rationaliztion has reached new heights!


    I don't think so. Palin has already effectively accused those who oppose her of "hating America". It doesn't take much of an imagination to picture what things would be like for non Republicans in Palin's America. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:45 PM:

    " Leonard: With you, rationaliztion has reached new heights! LOL!! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:10 PM:

    " More on the company McCain has hired to smear Obama.

    FLS-Connect is linked to the proBush robocalls in the 2000 South Carolina Republican primary that helped sink John McCain. The charges included that "McCain's current wife, Cindy, was a drug addict and that the couple's daughter, adopted from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, was a black child McCain had fathered out of wedlock

    One wonders whether it is actually possible for McCain to sink any lower. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:12 AM:

    " dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " Hey Leonard, my friend: Check out the NRA's latest on Obama. If he gets in, you can kiss that 9mm good-bye! No, Texas will not be exempt from fed law


    The NRA is predicting Armageddon if a Democrat gets in the White House?

    I am absolutely shocked!

    I keep firearms as a safeguard against Tyranny. Sarah Palin has proven herself to be a tyrant by her actions in the Troopergate scandal, the Librarygate scandal and a dozen other scandals.

    I seriously doubt that allowing Democrats to keep their guns would be high on the list of priorities for a Palin Administration. "

    dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " Hey Leonard, my friend: Check out the NRA's latest on Obama. If he gets in, you can kiss that 9mm good-bye! No, Texas will not be exempt from fed law! "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:51 AM:

    " Say what you will about Bush, the man has always shown loyalty to his family.


    Saddly, it seems the same cannot be said about McCain. This company attacked his 9 year old daughter and now he has hired them to use the same tactics on Obama?

    How can you trust a man who has betrayed his own children to lead our nation? "

    dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:49 AM:

    " Let's face it: Both of these guys suck.
    McCain is just the less of two evils.
    If you socialists think Obama is so great, go check out Cuba. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:34 AM:

    " Leonard, you and I are ignorant of any gestures of reconciliation between Bush and McCain. Bush is a devout Christian who is taught forgiveness by the Bible. If you want to question their manhood, fine. But I'll leave it at that. I'm leaving for work anyway. Later dude. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " Leonard, what do you think of a mans honor who says about one of his dear friends "I could no more disown him than I could disown a member of my own family" then disowns him a week later when he becomes a potential political problem. What do you think of that mans character. Don't you think Wright was really Michelle Obama's preacher and that her husband was just using him for his political clout. He threw him away after he used him up. By the way, I saw Michelle Obama's picture on my milk carton this morning. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:57 AM:

    " Politics is not for wimps Leonard. Most of them are Lawyers too. Which means they only have a black hole where their soul should be. Pelosi looks like one of the actors in Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" video, in case you like visual proof. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:52 AM:

    " The paper (AP) reports today that "Obama has strongly advocated more government stimulus". Sounds like he's on board with the same old politicians who have been running this country for years. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:37 AM:

    " I would question what sort of a man would do such a thing but I think the use of the word "man" in this particular context is inappropriate.

    John McCain is utterly without honor. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:33 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct20, 2008

    But one doesn't have to be an herpetologist to see the slime on this particular snake.


    One of the most shameful acts in the history ofAmerican elections is the robocaller attack that GeorgeBush and KarlRove launched on McCain in the 2000 SouthCarolina primary.

    Bush and Rove hired a company to call voters and tell them that John McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child. It was the most repulsive possible libel; McCain has an adopted daughter of Indian background. Bush and Rove took that adoption and used McCain's daughter as the basis of a smear intended to inflame the racist sentiments of Republican primary voters.

    My longtime admiration for McCain took a hit when he embraced Bush on stage at the2004 convention. Screw the politics of it; Bush used McCain's daughter, lied about her, to pick up the votes of racists. And McCain embraced him four years later. Imagine being the daughter, watching that on television?

    Now, today I read thatMcCain hired the firm that executed that racist smear against his own daughter. Hired them. Paid them.

    Do you really want to talk about slime? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:29 AM:

    " Voter, corrections: The banking deals are done by Bush and a Democrat led congress, and Obama hasn't done anything except campaign. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:21 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:14 PM:

    " The Dow @ 34,000? I didn't realize that Clinton did so much damage. Look. Obama has a past that not only includes 20 years with a preacher that was a buddy of Farrakhan, a shady relationship which included a house deal with a felon named Tony Rezko, community activism buddies with a Timothy McVay like terrorist named Bill Ayers.


    Versus McCain who had to palled around with Phil Graham, who served on the board of an organization that provided material support to Central American death squads, who narrowly escaped indictment in the Keating 5 scandal, and who, worst of all, has shown an alarming lack of judgement in the current campaign.

    All of these issues swing both ways. "

    voter wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:51 PM:

    " Again, more hilarity. The Chicago Tribune, a conservative paper, published a story today about how the real Socialists are upset and claiming that Obama is in no way aligned with their views.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-chicago-socialist,0,4048540.story

    Bush just nationalized a portion of the banking industry and Republicans are pointing to Obama as a socialist for looking at restructuring the tax system. That's rich. Obama's basically just undoing the damage done by Bush. Obama has a powerful group of economic advisers, including Warren Buffet and Paul Voelker, who are widely respected and could no way be called socialists! "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:13 PM:

    " Voter "attempting to link Obama to socialists"? Are you kidding me? I wasn't aware he was even trying to hide it. Haven't you been paying attention at all? "Ignorant smear"? I don't think I'm the one who's ignorant here. That's hysterical. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:09 PM:

    " Sam, those people at the top pay almost all the taxes for everyone else too. Last year, the bottom 50% of taxpayers only paid 3.5% of the taxes. Virtually nothing. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:59 PM:

    " Voter, how do you feel about casino revenue used for basically the same thing in Nevada? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:56 PM:

    " Sam, I'm not whining, I'm doing great! And I agree, we have become a nation of whiners. What happened to Kennedy's ideal of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"? Everybody on the left today is whining for a handout in one form or another from the government. Letting someone keep the money they make in the form of tax breaks, whether it be corporate or personal, is not a handout. It's their money, not the governments, and not their neighbors. If they want to share it, fine, it should be their "choice". But it should not be confiscated with the point of a gun and the threat of imprisonment. Obama is nothing more than a wealth re-distributor. Don't believe me? Then explain to me his stance on capital gains taxation. Even though it has been proven that lower capital gains taxes actually increase federal revenue, which would pay for more of Obama's government programs and debt, his reasoning is "because it's more fair". That's all I need to know about his economic policy. The Democrats have become the party of the parasites, and I'm not throwing in with them. "

    voter wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:57 PM:

    " All of this discussion attempting to link Obama to socialists and suggesting he's leading us towards Castro's Cuba is an ignorant smear--a sign of total desperation. It's laughable if you consider that Palin "spreads the wealth around" by giving corporate tax dollars back to Alaskans in the form of rebate checks--even to those who paid no taxes. Her supporters are so uninformed that they can't even make the connection. "

    sam wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:06 PM:

    " Phil Gramm said "We have sort of become a nation of whiners.

    1 percent of our citizens control 90% of our wealth.

    Yeah, I understand the whiners. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:22 PM:

    " Phil Gramm was also a professor of economics at Texas A&M University. He also holds a PhD in Economics for those unaware of professorship requirements of a university. Phil Gramm knows more about economics than Leonard, Cogito, or Barack Hussein Obama for that matter. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:14 PM:

    " The Dow @ 34,000? I didn't realize that Clinton did so much damage. Look. Obama has a past that not only includes 20 years with a preacher that was a buddy of Farrakhan, a shady relationship which included a house deal with a felon named Tony Rezko, community activism buddies with a Timothy McVay like terrorist named Bill Ayers. Who as recently as post 9/11 has expressed his lack of regret for his actions. AND Obama was much older than 8 at that time. Obama is a product of a Chicago radical alliance that elected Marxist Harold Washington and Socialist Carol Mosley Braun. But, Leonard, I know already that's how you lean politically, so you have no problem with that. But one doesn't have to be an herpetologist to see the slime on this particular snake. I'm also aware of his inability to walk the walk, whick makes me unafraid of his effectiveness to bring about any meaningful change. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:17 PM:

    " You want to know who McCain's current top economic advisor is?

    Its Kevin Hasset the genius who wrote a book back in the 1990s about how the Dow would be at 36,000 by 2004. This is who McCain wants to trust the future of the American economy to.

    Yet another shocking failure of judgement from our friend the Maverick. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:15 PM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:48 PM:

    " Aren't there 3 fannie mae guys on Obamas team? Obamas got some big bucks from some bankrupt mortgage companie


    Christ, is this a competition? McCain's got himself, a member of the Keating 5, his dirty campaign manager, Phil Graham, the guy who said that American's had a "mental recession"... "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:48 PM:

    " Aren't there 3 fannie mae guys on Obamas team? Obamas got some big bucks from some bankrupt mortgage companies. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:44 PM:

    " Leonard I usually get my cable news from the silver spoon Anderson Cooper and his lefty boss Ted, rather than the blue collar boys like O'Reilly. I get bored of watching the liberals get trounced on the debates, with both sides chiming in, on Fox. Except for "The Beltway Boys", those guys rock. They have the best give and take on TV. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:39 PM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:14 PM:

    " Leonard, what about Obamas fannie mae buddies. Are those the experts he plans to add to his economic advisory staff?


    What about McCain's? Was it his campaign manager who took over 2 million dollars in "consulting fees"? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:31 PM:

    " Don't forget, President Clinton and his Keynesian approach, along with advisers such as Robert Reich, Bob Solow, and Laura Tyson, amongst others. Anti supply siders all, really didn't do much of anything to change Reagan's economic policies. They just stood back and let them work. And I commend them for that. Then they brought in such popular liberal policy changes such as welfare reform and NAFTA. I hope Barack learns from him. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:16 PM:

    " Bills that Obama has co-sponsored with Republicans: 17%. Bills that McCain has co-sponsored with Democrats: 55%. Both sides of the aisle important to you are they? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:14 PM:

    " Leonard, what about Obamas fannie mae buddies. Are those the experts he plans to add to his economic advisory staff? They're already on his "friends and contributors" list. Aren't they partly responsible for the current mess? John McCain, along with John Glenn, was cleared of any improprieties in the Keating scandal. Don't forget, 4 of the Keating 5 were Democrats. Don't get all "Amy Goodman" on me. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:57 PM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:56 PM:

    " Marzo, I believe McCain has his finger on the pulse of what's "going on" much better than you or I. Remember, Nazi Germany voted for change too. I'm not equating Obama with Hitler, I'm just saying change isn't necessarily always good. The change Obama seeks has more in common with Castro's Cuba.


    It seems to me like the time has come for you to change the channel. One can only watch so much FOX News before their ability to think becomes permanently reduced. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:54 PM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:41 PM:

    A smart person delegates to the experts, it has always worked very well for me.


    And Obama has made it clear that he will be taking advise from the experts on both sides of the aisle. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:53 PM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:05 PM:

    " Leonard, do you think Obama is an expert on economics


    No and neither is McCain. A shady relationship with Charles Keating may make you an expert on wriggling your way out of an ethics investigation but it hardly makes you and expert on the economy as evidenced by some of McCain's absurd statements over the last two months. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:51 PM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:51 AM:

    " Leonard, lets say it WAS heard, what do you propose be done? Should those who yell hateful things about politicians be jailed?


    No but I do think McCain should have the balls to condemn the people who did it.

    For the record, the incidents I am referring to occurred at McCain rallies and were captured on video. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:56 PM:

    " Marzo, I believe McCain has his finger on the pulse of what's "going on" much better than you or I. Remember, Nazi Germany voted for change too. I'm not equating Obama with Hitler, I'm just saying change isn't necessarily always good. The change Obama seeks has more in common with Castro's Cuba. Luckily, our political system doesn't allow for that much power. Just like the "sweeping changes" promised by Pelosi and Co. All we know right now is that Barack can talk. That is pretty much all he's ever done on anything but a local stage. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:45 PM:

    " Steve, I always enjoy watching Amy Goodman. I always laugh at her serious omissions of facts in her reporting. She's the queen of one-side. But best of all, I love the way her face expresses all the joyfulness of being a liberal. That says it all. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:41 PM:

    " Leonard, let me give you a tip. When I order flowers for my wife, I'm often asked what I want by the florist. I always say "I want my wife to feel my love through your artistry, dazzle her". They're the experts, why should I mess things up with my opinion? I've even been told "good answer" by the florist in Woodbridge. I was on vacation in Cabo and caught a large Yellowfin Tuna. I took it to our resort chef to make us a meal. He asked me how I wanted it cooked. I said "you're the chef, you're the expert". I then told him to keep whatever he didn't cook for us, and make ours the same way he would make his. One woman in our party said it was the "best meal" she'd "ever had". A smart person delegates to the experts, it has always worked very well for me. "

    MARZO2008 wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:26 PM:

    " we all know that mccain doesn't know a thing about what is going on. he is a mistake and would be a mistake to be in charge. if, he does make it to the white house he will not do anything good for this country and keep things going like they are now. so, we are better off with change and in a different direction. we saw how mccain talked about nothing we wanted to hear or what really we was going to do to fix things. we really need to think about what we really want for our country. otherwise set aside and watch this country go down. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:18 PM:

    " It is impossible to validate any source for Obama's I.Q. He will not allow anyone to see his college transcripts, which include his SAT, LSAT and GPA. Jimmy Carter has an I.Q. of 175. That's stratospheric by the way. Only 5 points short of John Sununu. "

    steve wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:13 PM:

    " Leonaird, I was answering the post of "anthonyandrea" who mentioned about the people that attend those frightful Republican party rallies and shout "kill Obama." I listened to the youtube soundbites posted by those "fair and balanced" organizations MSNBC and DemocracyNow.org. Couldn't hear very well over the fanatic and radical cheering, must have been muffled by the sheets. By the way wasn't that DemocracyNow.org reporter Amy Goodman, you know her as the "radio voice of the disenfranchised left?" "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:05 PM:

    " Leonard, do you think Obama is an expert on economics? Do you think he's smarter than Jimmy Carter? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:51 AM:

    " Leonard, lets say it WAS heard, what do you propose be done? Should those who yell hateful things about politicians be jailed? Because there won't be enough space to put all the liberals who spew and foment hate in this country. I was in Santa Cruz a couple of years ago while an anti-Bush rally was going on. People were standing in line to let their young children take a punch or a kick at a mannequin resembling President Bush. How do you feel about that kind of parenting? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:43 AM:

    " That is, Obama is protected by the same Secret Service as Palin, and they heard nothing. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:36 AM:

    " Leonard, are you saying Obama's Secret Service members are liars? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:35 AM:

    " Sorry Leonard, I don't consider "you tube" a news source. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:33 AM:

    " Leonard, a good president puts experts at the helm. Those who don't wind up leading like Jimmy Carter. Reagan didn't have expertise in everything, but he knew how to find those who did. That's what a leader does. I think Powell is a leader. I assume Powell has a firm understanding of his shortcomings. I'm not sure Obama does, and he has a lot of them. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:31 AM:

    " steve wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:53 AM:

    If you were speaking of shouting "kill Obama" at a Palin rally, you must have been the only person to have heard the threat, the Secret Service who attended the event couldn't fine ONE person that heard that phrase mentioned.


    The chant is "kill him" in reference to Obama, this has happened at more than one McCain rally and there are several examples on Youtube for your review if you have any interest whatsoever in the facts. "

    Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:29 AM:

    " General Colin Powell is a very wise man. "

    Leonard wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:23 AM:

    " Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:56 AM:

    As far as his quote about him thinking Obama will be better for the economy, I don't think a General in the U.S. Army has much of a background in matters economic.


    I seem to remember you once saying that you would have gladly voted for Powell for President. Was I mistaken? Were you then unaware of his background? "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:04 AM:

    " While I completely disagree with Joes assessment that McCain is a carbon copy of Bush, I do agree that Romney was the better candidate. That's why he got my vote, and why I've never been much of a McCain fan. I'll still vote for McCain in two weeks. "

    Cogito wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:56 AM:

    " Steve, you are right, the "kill Obama" story was a complete work of fiction. Not a single person at the rally heard what the so called reporter heard, not one. As far as the Colin Powell endorsement, I too have always held the utmost respect for the man. As far as his quote about him thinking Obama will be better for the economy, I don't think a General in the U.S. Army has much of a background in matters economic. In fact, there are no government programs with a bigger open checkbook than the military. I don't think the government needs to have a big role in our economy. They need to stay out of the way. Except to keep a sharp eye on their friends in the world of upper corporate hierarchy. The friends of politicians seem to be the biggest problems. "

    steve wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:53 AM:

    " When Rice and Powell were both attacked by the liberal left in this country and likened " african-american officals working in the Bush administration to Jews who worked for Hitler." these same liberals who spewed forth such filth, embrace Powell as a hero. If you were speaking of shouting "kill Obama" at a Palin rally, you must have been the only person to have heard the threat, the Secret Service who attended the event couldn't fine ONE person that heard that phrase mentioned. Still get much of your reading from the DailyKo's do ya? "

    t jefferson wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:04 AM:

    " OTH - not going to happen. That was Bush's plan in 2000, what happened. This country is more polarized right now than ever before. The main split is between urban and rural, check a map of counties sometime. It not red state blue state it is mainly urban vs rural. The crazy part is, it is the cities where everything is falling apart, while the rural areas are still functioning, yet the country is going more urban every year. "

    t jefferson wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:01 AM:

    " BHL - you're kidding right. How about "I listened to him when he spoke to determine he is a communist". Wow, you are about what I expect everytime I go to lodi.... "

    OTH wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:32 PM:

    " This country is headed for some tough times. When this election is over we as citizens need to put aside the name calling, finger pointing and hate mongering. There is enough blame to go around on both sides. Wall Street didn't happen over night it's been coming for some time.

    We need to go back to working together as a whole to get through what's down the road. We may have different political beliefs but that should not prevent us from coming together for the good of the country. This is JMHO "

    anthonyandrea wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:55 PM:

    " I think this is a sad but true article. There were so many politicians that were better fit to be the republican candidate of this election than McCain, but you have to admit, he has a way of firing up the Americans (especially in the south) that the rest of America fears...the ones that shout "kill Obama" and insist that he is a terrorist-Arab (very embarrassing for those of us with a shred of intelligence). McCain has made a lot of mistakes and really has shown us he's not prepared to be president, I don't know if Obama is but from what I have seen on the debates, read in the papers, and the policies I have studied I think Obama is a much "safer" (if nothing else) choice for president than McCain. "

    DanielH wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:28 PM:

    " sam: Do you remember General Colin Powell giving an intelligence report to the UN, illustrating on satellite imagery where Iraq is handling all of its WMD's? "

    DanielH wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:26 PM:

    " Correction: "We" should read "The Republicans." I am not a US Citizen or a voter. "

    DanielH wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:25 PM:

    " Joe Guzzardi, It's not all that bad. We got rid of that isolationist guy. Whatever could he have done for our economy anyway? "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:21 PM:

    " Mainframe, I always wanted Powell to run for president. He IS a good man and he has my respect. "

    mainframe wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:59 PM:

    " sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:46 AM:

    " Colin Powell is endorsing Obama. I am watching Meet The Press right now. "

    Powell's a good man. "

    mainframe wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:52 PM:

    " Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:37 PM:

    " max, if Obama's resume is so thin, how do you know he is a Marxist? "

    Great question. "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:11 AM:

    " Powell said a major part of his decision to abandon his own party was his conclusion that Obama was the better option to repair frayed U.S. relations with allies overseas.

    This is the time for outreach, Powell said, saying the next president would have to reach out and show the world there is a new administration that is willing to reach out.

    In particular, he said, he welcomed Obamas president to talk to people we havent talked to, a reference to Obamas controversial pledge to hold talks with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    I think that [Obama] has a definite way of doing business that will serve us well, Powell said. (CNN) "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:09 AM:

    " Powell is a retired Army general who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Bill Clinton before becoming secretary of state under President Bush. He is one of the most decorated military officers of modern times and an admired figure in both parties. (CNN) "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:05 AM:

    " I Love this about Powell.

    He stressed that Obama was a lifelong Christian, Powell denounced Republican tactics that he said were insulting not only to to Obama but also to Muslims.

    The really right answer is what if he is? Powell said, praising the contributions of millions of Muslim citizens to American society. "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:01 AM:

    " Powell also criticized his own Republican Party for what he called its "narrow focus on irrelevant personal attacks over a serious approach to challenges he called unprecedented." "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:59 AM:

    " Personally, being a life long Republican and a great Powell admirer, it is great for me to hear I am not alone as a republican choosing to support and vote for Obama. "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:56 AM:

    " Powell said "I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years. A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America. Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:47 AM:

    " Powell said he questioned Sen. John McCain's judgment in picking Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate because he doesn't think she is ready to be president. "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:47 AM:

    " "He has both style and substance. I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    "Obama displayed a steadiness. Showed intellectual vigor. He has a definitive way of doing business that will do us well," Powell said. "

    sam wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:46 AM:

    " Colin Powell is endorsing Obama. I am watching Meet The Press right now. "

    Election Year wrote on Oct 19, 2008 1:55 AM:

    " "Would not be considered for an entry level job anywhere in Lodi?" That's quite a stretch - I'm sure he could pick cherries or prune grape vines if he really applied himself. But then I'm sure he would probably end up organizing all the migrant laborers and upset the local economy by demanding better wages and working conditions and ultimately turning Lodi into a Socialist society.

    Let's let go of the myth that Obama has no qualifications to be president. He has a law degree from Harvard, has been a community organizer (I know, HA HA! Are you also making fun of all the community organizers we have in Lodi, including our current Mayor and other well respected members of this town?), an Illinois State Senator and a US Senator. Compare to GW Bush, a failed "businessman" whose daddy's handlers decided, just for sport, they would groom for the governorship of Texas and the US Presidency. We all know how that turned out. "

    Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:37 PM:

    " max, if Obama's resume is so thin, how do you know he is a Marxist? "

    max stanfield wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:41 PM:

    " Since I never liked McCain I don't have a problem with your essay. However, Obamas resume is so thin and blank, he would not be considered for an entry level job anywhere in Lodi. The fact that he is a solid Marxist notwithstanding. So, Joe, who do we vote for ?? "

    T & C wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:23 PM:

    " Obama "Does not represent my aspirations! "

    T & C wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:22 PM:

    " I always get a chuckle Joe, from Obama supporters "DEMO's who truly believe that "Social programs" are the way to stabilize the economy! All of the drug addicts and alcoholics are "Counting on Obama being elected so that the DEMO controlled Senate and House and then President can EXPAND the Social Security Disability programs for addicts so they can live a good life courtesy of the "Demo's! Many homeless are already on Disabilty and use a "False address of a friend"...and live on the street so they have the Maximum money from their monthly check to get drunk and or get high! "

    wtf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:12 AM:

    " Report: NJ Voting Machines Easily Hacked

    http://cbs3.com/local/new.jersey.elections.2.842765.html


    Since McLame is tanking and Obama is favored as the winner; guess who will be doing the hacking?

    Can you say neocon Repubs?

    I KNEW you could!

    See Onion News Network video below. "

    wtf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:07 AM:

    " Yesterday, it was the "Washington Post" today it's the "Los Angeles Times":

    Editorial
    Barack Obama for president
    He is the competent, confident leader who represents the aspirations of the nation.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-endorse19-2008oct19,0,5966124.story "

    wtf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:01 AM:

    " Yep! Looks like the "fix" is in...

    Some early W.Va. voters angry over switched votes

    http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676


    This may not be such a joke after all...

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks "

    wtf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:08 AM:

    " Ron Paul was also for reducing the size of government - something else Bushco has just expanded with his intervention into the banking business.

    Young people love Ron Paul, too.

    Ron Paul was to reduce taxes way down and abolish the IRS as well as the Federal Reserve, AND he had outlined plans on how he would do this....wasn't just whistling Dixie.

    Unfortunately, we're hearing some of Ron Paul's platform coming out of both Obama and McLame's mouths in a bastardized fashion; but these two are speaking the words without understanding the substance behind them. "

    wtf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:05 AM:

    " Clarification: I agree with Election Year regarding his comments on Romney. "

    wtf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:04 AM:

    " I agree with Election Year, Joe. Ron Paul would have been the choice for the GOP to get the White House one more time. He called it on the current economic crisis and he called it on the fact that the recent bailout is only going to drag things out.

    Furthermore, Ron Paul was opposed to the "war" in Iraq and would have brought our boys and girls home...which is why he received more campaign contributions than any other pol running - Dem or Rep.

    Still, unless there is an overwhelming landslide for Obama, the "fix" might still be in for McLame to have a "surprising" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) win. "

    Election Year wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:15 AM:

    " Joe: Excellent observations on the GOP's McCain mistake. However, Romney was soundly rejected based on his smarmey countenance and his religious affiliation. He may have been the better pick, but his arrogance (currently only matched by McCain's) and American's fear of Mormonism as a "fringe" religion, drummed him out of the race. "

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