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One sin leads to many other sins

Updated: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:44 AM PDT

I am not worried about my marriage, either! My husband and I were married in a church 48 years ago and will be until death do us part.

But I am worried about my grandchildren and great-grandchildren who will have to have the "gay thing" in their schools, books, movies, television shows, etc., if Proposition 8 fails to restore marriage to one man and one woman.

What happened to "hate the sin, love the sinner?" And gay marriage would be a sin. Read Romans!

With the horrible mistake of giving women a license to kill their unborn came many more sins that have dragged our country into the depth — first taking prayer out of schools, etc., then pornography everywhere, then child abuse, gang violence, free sex, couples living together and on and on.

Yes, I am very worried. Same-sex marriage will only drag our country further from the grace of God. Please vote yes on Proposition 8 and pray that God will bless America again.

Carolyn Hadden
Galt

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begsbelief wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:40 AM:

" [real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:22 PM:

" ("begsbelief wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:17 PM: Why wouldn't God bless America anyway? ").

which of your children would you bless?

the one that trashed your family name by consistent no conscience wanton living completely apart from YOUR family rules AFTER knowing what those rules entail, .....or the child that was not perfect, but did whatever they could to bring honor TO your family name, via acceptable behavior?]

~~~~~~~~

Does the bible teach God only loves those who believe and obey him? Correct me if I am wrong. The bible says God loved the world that he gave his Son. It did not mention anything about them needing to be perfect.

I love all my children andas with the prodigal son would let them live their lives and be happy when they came to their senses. I have had 9 children only seven are alive.
They live their own lives. I would welcome any one of them back if they strayed. Love is loving them even when they are wrong. Even when we disagree with how they are living their lives. "

real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:33 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote:
" In my experience it is usually the people that feel they have to constantly tell others YELLING FROM THE ROOFTOPS how Christian they are (and how others are not), and how their deeds are that of a Christian, that are usually the least Christian among us. ").

the complete difference in "who is" and "who isn't" is in the consistency of posture and stance when picking GOD over anything and anybody. something you have FAILED to do the whole time you have been in here, WHILE claiming your a "Christian".

lodian, you pick God-haters over anything of Christian influence or teaching. you do it EVERYTIME

in 1john it emphatically states (paraphrased), that if you find a person that lies that has no conscience about it and is totally unwilling to repent of it, without question that person is an 'ain't'.

that day when you stepped over the line and claimed you were, that was the day i upped the ante with you, so that you can't sell the idea you can shuck Gods standards, and "still" call yourself a "follower" of Christ......that's-what-i-protect-against-in-here "

real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:22 PM:

" ("begsbelief wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:17 PM: Why wouldn't God bless America anyway? ").

which of your children would you bless?

the one that trashed your family name by consistent no conscience wanton living completely apart from YOUR family rules AFTER knowing what those rules entail, .....or the child that was not perfect, but did whatever they could to bring honor TO your family name, via acceptable behavior?

i think you really know "why" God HAS TO when HE comes to these crossroads and makes a decision on what he is going to do about america, based on it's wanton disregard of his standards.

eventually based on his character alone, he HAS to do something, otherwise he is not God, and there are no "standards" "

Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:43 PM:

" ...

"We are supposed to be adults."

...

Indeed. "

begsbelief wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:20 PM:

" [Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:00 PM:

" In my experience it is usually the people that feel they have to constantly tell others YELLING FROM THE ROOFTOPS how Christian they are (and how others are not), and how their deeds are that of a Christian, that are usually the least Christian among us. "]

What is the difference between religious and atheist hate? Insulting one another will not make a difference.
It is a fact of life there has been many changes over the years. Atheists and Christians will never see eye to eye. But the bickering does get boring and tedious at times. We are supposed to be adults. Should live and let live. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:00 PM:

" In my experience it is usually the people that feel they have to constantly tell others YELLING FROM THE ROOFTOPS how Christian they are (and how others are not), and how their deeds are that of a Christian, that are usually the least Christian among us. "

begsbelief wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Carolyn Hadden said:-


"Yes, I am very worried. Same-sex marriage will only drag our country further from the grace of God. Please vote yes on Proposition 8 and pray that God will bless America again."


Why wouldn't God bless America anyway? "

real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:41 AM:

" what a crack up lodian.

in these blogs you "claimed" to be a Christian, yet STILL after busting your posture about it in here forever, what do you do EVERYTIME? you side with everyone that does anything they can to make God "disappear".

your as phony as they come

seperating people from their words and claims. it's what i do to protect the truth (when necessary).

Christians don't embolden people that hate their God - but YOU DO

lodian - a wolf in sheeps clothing "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Lulu_Oni: I like your style. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:43 PM:

" Well said, Lulu_Oni! "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:22 PM:

" ("Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:23 PM: I'm not going to be punished for defending the rights of same-sex couples wanting to have the same freedom and discretion as opposite sex ones").

you will if there is a God, and HE spoke out against homosexual sex of ANY kind as being sin.

defending the "rights" of any section of society ISN'T a noble cause, when what your really defending is something immoral under the guise of "freedom".

to this post, in ANY blog, i have YET to see someone defend the push for pornography to become "normality" in society. that same conclusion was wrought at the hands of "you people" under the auspices of "rights" and "constitution" arguements.

being straight lulu, thanks a ton for helping flush society down the toilet of life.

how about you, do you have the guts to address the pornography issue? you all are so "brave", yet EVERYONE of you hides in the corner at it's mention.

this should be easy for you and your "consitution" blame game.

let's hear it lulu "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:13 PM:

" ("Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:23 PM: This is so because God is not my ruler, I follow the statutes of the State. No one can take that away from me or tell me I am wrong").

God IS your ruler, because he gave you life, and he can take your life ANYTIME at his discretion.

you CAN pick "the state" over God, but if you think for one minute that will fly when you stand before him, you are short-sighted mistaken.

add it up all you want, in the end when YOU stand before God, there will only be ONE aspect of your life that he WILL reward - and that is what did you do with what he said about HIMSELF.

when you die, even YOU know you won't be standing in front of "the state" "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:07 PM:

" ("Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:23 PM: Homosexuality is immoral to individuals because morals are a personal standard. However, if it were unethical or a wrong done against society, it would have been made so in our Constitution").

history lesson PRE constitution, and POST constitution states for ALL of history, homosexuality has been immoral in EVERY society SANS any "constitution".

speaking bluntly, you don't want to "go there" thinking you can rip the constitution to shreds and make it "re-appear" untouched ala a criss angel magic trick. the constition wasn't a document constructed for the express purpose of flushing society down the toilet, it was drafted to PROTECT that from happening.

for years your ilk have been assasinating the constitution for your own personal gain on your quest for no holds barred "freedom"

NO ONE has the right to be immoral. it's the manhole cover to society, and your holding it W I D E open "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:52 PM:

" ("Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:23 PM: Here's a real fact, the Episcopal Church of the United States merits same-sex marriages").

and that's why the HISTORICAL church straight up without hesitation calls the episcopal church heretical when they do it.

the true church quickly indentifies what churches support that humanistic garbage, and seeks immediately to distancing themselves from them, AFTER asking them to repent.

Jesus Christ was crystal clear about immorality, and calls anyone who stands in solidarity for it, an apostate.

you should read the first couple of chapters in the book of revelation about what Jesus Christ said will happen to the apostate church.

straight up, the episcopal church has become the joke of Christianity.

that defense just dispappeared. do you have any others i can help you shed? "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:44 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:02 PM: " What other kinds of sinners would you like to se rounded up and thrown into concentration camps, Saint Fruitchrist?

Or do you only want to throw gays in prison? ").

"concentration camps". what a loser you are, that you have to feel around the bottom of life out of your desperation. that depraved mind/heart of yours knows no limits. but like i stated when we first "met", homosexuality rots the soul if left unchecked.

you know, with your flair for the flamingBOYent, now i realize your "role" at the noodle as head of the "drama dept". your a heinous drama queen in here, so it makes sense.

nope, just deviant sexual morons who can't act within societies mores, and think they can run around with immunity.
put those kind of parameters on them so they don't think it's ok, send them to prison if they don't.

been that way for 6,000years "

Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:23 PM:

" real facts: This is a country where you can be in any religion you so choose, or none at all.

Here's a real fact, the Episcopal Church of the United States merits same-sex marriages.

Homosexuality is immoral to individuals because morals are a personal standard. However, if it were unethical or a wrong done against society, it would have been made so in our Constitution.

Religion is a right to have, but not an obligation to follow. This is a country where you can make up your own religion and have a god or goddess who tell you to worship plants. I'm not going to be punished for defending the rights of same-sex couples wanting to have the same freedom and discretion as opposite sex ones. This is so because God is not my ruler, I follow the statutes of the State. No one can take that away from me or tell me I am wrong.

Congress allows freedom of religion to be what people will make of it, but God is no where in it. This being that He is
a choice made by the people, not a requirement. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:02 PM:

" What other kinds of sinners would you like to se rounded up and thrown into concentration camps, Saint Fruitchrist?

Should fat people be imprisoned? People with short hair?
Non-Christians?

Or do you only want to throw gays in prison? "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Lulu_Oni, that's because it isn't immoral to be black, but it IS immoral to have homosexual sex, even OUTSIDE thte churches influence.

remember lulu, you can try and argue against ALL of history that homosexual sex was perversion, but it's a debate that you will lose before you even start.

it always was, and always will be immoral, just on the secular worlds stage "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:49 PM:

" ("Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM: Where do you think all of these gay people came from? Straight people have them all of the time, will that be outlawed as well?").

THANK YOU

a scientific self admission historical FACT

well, you just ended your OWN arguement, by stating a history's worth of physiology COMPLETELY apart from God.

the human bodies capabilities alone tells the true historical truth from the beginning to the end.

bill and hillary, not ricky martin and clay aiken. (well, clinton might disagree with MY choice of a bioUNlogical woman for him)- lol "

Timothy wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:51 PM:

" Lulu_Oni, I thank you for your support. "

Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Timothy: With the way people are handling this nonsense, all you can do is make jokes about it because it's just ridiculous and a waste of time. I appreciate the support. "

Timothy wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:17 PM:

" Lulu_Oni said " I'm certain integrating black history and culture before my time didn't make white children want to be African-American."

Lulu_Oni, I love that line. I cannot stop laughing. I really have been enjoying your blogs. They are very refreshing and spot on. "

Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM:

" I love how people think this "gay thing" is a disease or sickness, as though you may catch it if you get too close to a gay person. I pity the weak-minded who are so infected with this fear of homosexuality, as though it will instill our children to become gay because they learn about it. I sound like a broken record having said this numerous times in other posts, but, why would your children learn about gay couples and marriage when they don't even learn about straight ones until you're nearly in high school ,ad nby that time I think your kids will have enough sense to think on their own. I'm certain integrating black history and culture before my time didn't make white children want to be African-American.

Where do you think all of these gay people came from? Straight people have them all of the time, will that be outlawed as well?

The Church is not above the state, for many reasons. If you feel your country is falling apart because it won't turn away it's people for their personal rights, move to a Muslim community and see how much fulfillment you receive. "

Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:08 AM:

" I do NOT live by "your" rules, sir... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:07 AM:

" If you see this CrEePy StAlKeR TrOll please report him immediately!

http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:03 AM:

" The CrEePy StAlKeR tRoLL rears his ugly head once again. "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:57 AM:

" report me all you want. it's probably been done a hundred times by you weak people because you can't handle your business, so you lie about me, report me, ad infinitum to "silence me".

laughing. it won't work. you CANNOT silence truth, and as long as i am within the rules, you get to witness me taking out your trash EVERY DAY until you people quit.

you act like what goes on in here is solely on me, when it's you integrity ain't's that start this garbage, it's just that i am man enough to finish it.


i am merely defending against the truths of God, and your lies about me.
you can end this TODAY by discontinuing BOTH, but you won't, so the need for me to do what i do grows stronger each day.

at least two years i have been in here, and NOT ONCE has the lns EVER even sent me an email about what i say in here.

dream on that you wish to silence my voice against "ain't-ism".

by your no conscience behavior choices, you WANT me in here evidently "

real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Election Year wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:28 AM: " There are a multitude of threats...").

the only "threat" i made, was where if anyone started garbage in here, they would become my new "friend", which means, they will be the ones that gather ALL my interest in these blogs, and EVERYTIME they say something out of line, i will take them to the integrity cleaners.

here come the "busloads". just because "they" can't handle me, "they" resort to lying about me.

it's what THEY do

the strength of one, against the MANY "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Several times... "

Indeed. "

Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Several times... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:53 AM:

" ...yet he's still here. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:52 AM:

" Election Year: He has been reported. "

Election Year wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:28 AM:

" Why has no one reported this lunatic? There are a multitude of threats made in his/her posts that indicate a truly unbalanced person. Beliefs, religious or otherwise, should be respected, but this is really over the top! "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:25 PM:

" the real "truth" catch of the day, if you can call it that, is voter showing solidarity with billy, by including him in his list of "who" is sane.

high five voter, aligning yourself with a walking talking human toilet.

does your family know this? you should at least inform them so they can run in the other direction, after adding up where your life is headed. "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:52 PM:

" ("Robb wrote:
" Listen, I will only explain this once, mostly for Real Facts.
I mean NO disrespect towards ANYONES spiritual beliefs, my words have been twisted and made to suite someone else's little trips,taken out of context, and in bit's and pieces").

that's a lie. all i did is compare your hallmark "act" with your consistent spillage of who you really are.

you just don't like it that someone has the tenacity in life to make you people own your trash.

don't you dare try your hallmark "plea" to the crowd that you "meant no harm". that's a lie, and one i intend to keep highlighting.

you said ALOT of disrespectful garbage about God, and irregardless if you own it, or you try and blame me for it, ones things for sure, you have only uppped the ante between you and me.

billy and lodian lie and could care less, because they go right to the next one SEAMLESSLY.

you lie, and then you attempt to cover "them" by lying all over again.

trust me when i say this, you will NEVER get away with your "altruistic act" "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:43 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote:
" voter: I suppose Rhodie hasn't been around long enough to see RF as sick. One would think that this blog is enough to show his sickness, but I guess some people take longer to see it ").

you lie everyday on these blogs, and think your life is "well". puke

that's-called-delusion-lodian.

the difference between you and me, is for all the accusations you have leveled at me, you have NEVER been able to prove ONE TIME where you weren't lying, where all i need to do to prove you ARE a liar, is to repost your OWN WORDS unedited.

i was thinking about this today, that you and billy spray the blogs with lies, i challenge you to prove them, and neither of you EVER DO. both of you have NEVER defended yourself against ANY of the accusations i level against you both, because you know it's true, and you don't care as you run right to the next lie.

i was comparing you and billy to robb's lying, because at least he lies in an effort to cover up his previous lie.

you two lie for SPORT "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:33 PM:

" ("voter-wrote-on-Oct 23, 2008 6:37 PM:
" As for Vishnu, if his worshippers were in your face day and night telling you that you would burn in hell simply because of your sexual orientation, I think you might get angry or upset after awhile").

the thing is voter, the whole reason i am in here at all, is that i stumbled onto the discussion boards, where your disgusting perverted hero had BOMBED the religion section with HIS anti-God HATE.

you talk out of one side of your mouth, because you could care less about the truth of life.

billy started all this garbage, and i decided i wasn't going to let him get away with it, and the ensuing two year fallout with everyone else that challenged me POST billy.

i have said many times, and even recited PERSONAL instances where if i am involved in a conversation with a homosexual, i have respect for them if they show respect for me.

your lying to the hills if you think what goes on in here is on me. these lying morons are emboldened to keep it going by liars like you "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:23 PM:

" ("voter wrote;
And as for your comparison of RF with Billy, I find that offensive. RF is clearly mentally ill and comparing him to ANY of us who are sane, regardless of our political or religious views is inappropriate").

billy is sane?

that alone demostrates that you people are so desperate to hold your position of "freedom" in life, that you are willing to flush any semblance of integrity down the toilet because OF billy.

billy for two years has been NOTHING but a disgusting pervert.

i find it soldifying in my consistent stance against you voter, that you would call billy "sane" after you know he lied about what the bible says, and told me to go have sex with my daughter "because it says so", and inSINuated i go have sex with the young man at the restaurant

cracks me up that you label me "ill", right after you align yourself to the most degredation a human being can achieve.

you just proved what a joke of a life you lead. you people are disgusting human beings, and you all deserve your "solidarity". "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:11 PM:

" Robb: Those of us that have read RF's posts know exactly what you mean. No need to apologize to anyone. I have been watching this guy post his garbage for years now. I know all too well what a sicko he really is, so please... blog on. "

Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Listen, I will only explain this once, mostly for Real Facts.
I mean NO disrespect towards ANYONES spiritual beliefs, my words have been twisted and made to suite someone else's little trips,taken out of context, and in bit's and pieces, I am sure some of my content may seem offensive, If I have offended anyone, (other than RF), I do apologize. It is just that I WILL NOT allow anyones tyrannical raves and judgments to go unchecked. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:23 PM:

" voter: I suppose Rhodie hasn't been around long enough to see RF as sick. One would think that this blog is enough to show his sickness, but I guess some people take longer to see it "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:10 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:21 PM:
" Rhodie: I know it's hard to follow this blog. Real facts' postings don't take over the blog or anything. Geez. ").

you can blame YOURSELF for that.

i stated on these blogs a L O N G time ago, that if you people don't lie about Christ/Christianity, and then don't try and lie about me, there is no reason for me to be here.

i AM here for that reason, and as long as you people keep at it, I will be here making sure you pay for attempting it "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:00 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:21 PM:
" I would do your god a dis-service, if I referred to him any other way, I do not believe in him, I would just as soon call him the Easter bunny...").

although i don't like it when somebody "disbelieves", i can respect somebody who is searching, but NOT someone who is being a disrespectfull little troll, bent on causing problems for those that believe.

you fall directly into the last category

when you pull that, it's on.

when you lie about what you do in here, it's on even more.

one of these days if you gain some respect, then i won't have to "flyswat" you everyday all over the board.

if you don't, i don't have a problem flyswatting you, and everyone else that pulls that garbage, all of you at the same time, all by myself if a have to.

4AStrongLodi should be a good example, of how "not" to disagree. you make snide remarks about God instead of being respectful, your my little "friend"

it's what i do "

voter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:37 PM:

" As for Vishnu, if his worshippers were in your face day and night telling you that you would burn in hell simply because of your sexual orientation, I think you might get angry or upset after awhile. If Vishnu's boys tried to deny you civil rights and regularly committed hate crimes against your friends, you might want to look into what their motivation was and how their core beliefs compelled them to act in such a hateful manner. Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes now and then. You can't catch "gay" from shoes. "

voter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Furthermore, Rhodie, Billy and Robb are just the current pair jerking RF's chain. There have been a long line of opponents doing battle with "The Reverend", including several Christians, for as long as I have been reading these posts. None of them are fanatics--they all have their own reasons for engaging RF. "

voter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:26 PM:

" No Rhodie, I think even the most ardent Christians who have posted on these boards for any length of time would agree that RF is ill. As some one who has some experience in caring for the mentally ill, I have to say that he exhibits all the classic signs of bipolar disorder. It has nothing to do with his religious beliefs per se (Christian vs. another faith), but in the manic phase of the illness, many do display hyperreligiosity. Do you believe that RF displays "sane" behavior? "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:16 PM:

" Voter, I do not actively seek out Vishnu and its believers, call them insane and say what they believe is a fairy tale. If you don't believe Billy is addicted to disbelief then ask youreslf why he would go to the religious section at all unless he is looking for a fix. He does not believe in issues written about there so why go there at all except to look for a fight?

You don't see the similarities in the tactics used by Real Facts and Billy? Both call the other one a liar. Both say the other doesn't look at the facts. Both rant (not meant to be derogatory, simply passionatly) about their side. Both think the other is sick in some way

You call Real Facts "clearly mentally ill" but that is the same thing he says about Billy and a few others here. IF he was as fanatical about promoting the homosexual life style you would call him passionate and cheer him. The only reason you think he is mentally ill is because you think what he believes is a fairy tale. "

voter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:28 PM:

" Rhodie, there is no "addiction to disbelief"--are you clinically addicted to the unbelief in Vishnu? Is that harming you in some way. Seriously--is that your best defense? And as for your comparison of RF with Billy, I find that offensive. RF is clearly mentally ill and comparing him to ANY of us who are sane, regardless of our political or religious views is inappropriate. Please rethink you statement. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:21 PM:

" Rhodie: I know it's hard to follow this blog. Real facts' postings don't take over the blog or anything. Geez. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:19 PM:

" Robb, I would also submit that the "addiction" to disbelief can cause as much religious (in this case anti religious) fanaticism as those like Real Facts.

Look at the arguments from Billy and Real Facts and the outside observer could easily see they are equally fanatical on opposite sides of the issue.

Alright, I'm done. Believe it or not I DO really hate posting five or sixe messages n a row. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:15 PM:

" "How would a clinical condition mock your God"

It's not the condition that mocks him, but rather saying he is the same as beer and cards that mocks him.

I see Robb's point after my comments that he was refering directly to Real Facts, but I did not see that in his original postings about religious addiction. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:10 PM:

" Billy Rubin " Selective vision, eh, Rhodie?"..."you can call innocent gays no better than common theives and think nothing of any of it."

Here is a case of YOUR selective vision, I said everyone was equal in that we have all sinned. You select the worse behavior I named and claimed I assigned it to Homosexuals.


And the reason I don't comment on the other stuff you mentioned is because usually when I read the posts the comments have moved onto a different topic or someone else has already addressed what I would have said so there is no need for me to drag the postings back 20 steps and derail the current conversations.

And to clarify, I did address the comments about God sending natural disasters. And the comparisons are mostly interprited by you, as you did in your reading insult where I said homosexuals are same as thieves when I said we were all the same. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:02 PM:

" Robb wrote " DO NOT take my comments out of context, the addition comments were in reference to real facts obvious disorder, NOT your god."

When I read your posting there is NO referance to Real Facts but there is a direct referance to Jesus being no different than having a beer or two-pair.

If your comments had been focused on religious fanaticism I would not have said anything, I may have even chimed in in agreement. But I believe religious "addiction" is a good thing, even in those that don't believe what I do. Belief in something other than self drives us to be better people and the effort to reach that something better can become addicting. (For the record beer and hitting the two-pair do not make us better people)

Conversly, religious fanaticism drives people to strap bombs on their chests and protests war hero funerals. It is not a drive to be better but need to coerce people to believe in something they don't. It is against the fanaticism that I said a while back that Jesus doesn't want us dragging people to him screaming and kicking. "

voter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:45 PM:

" Rhodie, an addiction is an addiction. There is a clinical condition called hyperreligiosity. How would a clinical condition mock your God? "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:33 PM:

" W O W "

Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:21 PM:

" I would do your god a dis-service, if I referred to him any other way, I do not believe in him, I would just as soon call him the Easter bunny... "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:36 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:36 AM:
" DO NOT take my comments out of context, the addition comments were in reference to real facts obvious disorder, NOT your god. ").

"NOT your god".

we serve the same God you moron. you mock my God, you mock his.

your life is one big roller coaster lie.
at least billy and lodian don't ever try and get out of, and defend, their lies.....they just go on to the next one.

but you? you keep trying to cover your lies and sell yourself as a hallmark card

lying moron "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:21 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:23 AM: Oh, OK, so the suicides, the prison and the killings are all OK with you, but you draw the line at beatings").

i NEVER said or implied anything about violence of any kind, i.e "beatings and killings".

you and the others are just lying twisting trash. that's all you people ever resort to is lying and twisting peoples words on your way to the "acceptance" podium.

lodian and her lying "he has different handles" .

cracks me up, you thinking your life is "noble".

you people lying sans speed bump, just proves i am right about you all.

ok, if you are afraid of water, what about tall buildings billy? sky diving with no parachute? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:39 AM:

" Selective vision, eh, Rhodie?

You can see innocent gays being called child molesters, read of several bloggers' desire to imprison or banish them to an island like leppers, seen as the cause of God's wrath for natural disasters, you can call innocent gays no better than common theives and think nothing of any of it.

Someone intimates that Saint Fruitchrist may be addicted to religion - not an unreasonable conclusion given his delusions - and THAT's what you are driven to comment on. "

Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Addiction comments. (sorry) "

Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:36 AM:

" DO NOT take my comments out of context, the addition comments were in reference to real facts obvious disorder, NOT your god. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:15 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 PM:
"And the addicts eventually need their fix, whether it's Cuervo, Craps, or Christ."

Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:29 PM:
" I have never said hurtful things about your god"

And somewhere I believe you wtote how you never mocked god. Or was that someone else?

Comparing God to drinking and gambling, does that not qualify as mocking, or in the very least "hurtful" about God? "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:59 AM:

" As for real facts, I do agree we're dealing with someone who has some serious mental and emotional issues.

I suggest we all ignore his posts and comments and maybe he'll go back under his rock.

He keeps spouting about how he can go toe-to-toe with us, but whenever you ask him a questions, he just reverts to his usual nonsense remarks.

Karma will get real facts - if it hasn't already. He is obviously a miserable human being, which is funny coming from a gyu who is so committed to the "Lord." "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:55 AM:

" I love what Robb posted about religiouos fanaticism being an addiction. I definitely agree. These people are not much better than the meth addict who steals from people...only the religious fanatics are into stealing human rights. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Saint Fruitchrist wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:46 AM:"("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:09 AM: Your cheering for suicides, deaths, beatings and imprisonment are just so much more interesting than the former Christian religion was").

i never said anything about beatings"

Oh, OK, so the suicides, the prison and the killings are all OK with you, but you draw the line at beatings.

I understand now.

Sorry for the error.

Praise be to Fruitchrist. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:16 AM:

" The hateful troll has been totally overfed. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:14 AM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:00 PM:

" I love how everytime I ask a question of the "yes on 8" posters, they all disappear. I'm just asking for an explanation of their views.

Throwing up hateful posts isn't a debate. It's about backing up your views. "

All those hateful posts come from one person (different handles, but one person). "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:55 AM:

" I challenge you... ").

you challenge me? ha that's a joke

you have NEVER BEEN a challenge to me "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:57 AM:

" i already did robb.

remember our little science history lesson you chickened out of? does the word GRANITE ring a bell?

the answer is no, i can't. the reason i can't is that there is NO ultimate truth outside of God. i would end up like you, making garbage up and lying about it out of desperation.

if there is a God, he holds truth, and anything outside of that is NON truth.

unfortuntaely for you and your wishful thinking there "isn't" a God, there is, and his name is not "jebus"

besides, remember when i REMINDED you about real history outside the bible, that homosexuality has been labeled as perversion throughout ALL of history in EVERY society and you lied about that?

your a waste of your won time. all you will do is lie about it, then when i call you a liar, you will say "you never lie", ad infinitum.

it-gets-old-taking-out-your-same-old-trash-everyday. buy-a-new-methodology.

if it's not "real", why is it so hard for you to debate/debunk it, and make your lame excuses to swim right around it?

i know why "

real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:46 AM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:09 AM: Your cheering for suicides, deaths, beatings and imprisonment are just so much more interesting than the former Christian religion was").

i never said anything about beatings, that's your sick lying wanderings. i have always condemned violence against gays at the hands of another.

but, if you are going to throw yourself off a bridge, who am i to stop you?

i cannot believe you didn't appreciate my bridge references. your an ingrate.

i don't cheer for someone taking their own life and possibly going to hell. your the exception because you will never be anything more than a God-hating jerk that is interested in nothing more than being a bottom feeder pervert - in other words, a complete waste of humanity, who is only polluting the rest of humanity around him, so in YOUR case, the world is a better place AFTER the fact. you serve absolutely NO social good, and by your no conscience posture, you never will.

do US a favor, pick a bridge "

Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:55 AM:

" I challenge you... Teach me about history WITHOUT your bible, but, wait, you CANNOT, you have NO other tools, or reason..

I Pity you "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:09 AM:

" Oh, Saint Fruitchrist, I'm ever so glad you have proclaimed yourself the new god-figure for the world.

Your cheering for suicides, deaths, beatings and imprisonment are just so much more interesting than the former Christian religion was.

Glory be to the Fruitchrist! "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:17 PM:

" billy, here is a resource for you to ponder. pick a good one, because according to you there is no afterlife, and you want your last memory to be a good one.

but please, don't desecrate any national monuments. those are to be enjoyed by "natural" humanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bridges_in_California "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:11 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:53 PM:
" Well, you have NEVER backed up ANYTHING").

LIAR "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:11 PM:

" ("Robb wrote:
" Well, you have NEVER backed up ANYTHING, there have been NO history lessons, as you called them, you refer us to your little book").

poor robb, i relegated him into non contender status fairly quickly. now the boy in a mans world is spilling his lies left and right in such a dizzying fashion, even billy is getting seasick watching it.

"you never did"......laughing.

being a moron, and lying about your pathetic choice of a life over me? it doesn't get any more desperate than that.

there is absolutlely 1 common denominator that has happened eventually to EVERY person that has challenged me over the course of two years.....EVERY ONE OF THEM has said the same thing when their frustration turns into desperation "you never did"

laughing. everyone to the man, "you never did"

that-fact-ALONE-proves-i-am-doing-my-job-right

"you never did"
it took 4AStrongLodi 3-4 posts tops to resort to lying about it

people flush their integrity over me. well, not over me, over the TRUTH.

bed time. truth scoreboard tonight
TRUTH - 5. ain't's - MINUS 5
do the math "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:58 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:41 PM: How can an opinion be a lie? Are we not free to have our oen opinions? I never made any claims, just stated my opinion. But, he has no retort (real facts - that means response), so he just calls you a lair").

that's a lie in and of itself.

you were being a disrespectful jerk when you first called the bible a book of fiction. the tone in which you said it was condescending and aimed at causing trouble, outside the guise of "giving an opinion".

if you had stated a difference in beliefs in a respectful way, i wouldn't have come after you. when i did, you started to lie because you couldn't defend yourself otherwise

when it comes to me, you get what you earn, and until you learn respect, i am your new friend.

it's what i do "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:53 PM:

" Well, you have NEVER backed up ANYTHING, there have been NO history lessons, as you called them, you refer us to your little book, and leave it at that...and then you accuse me of plagiarizing, get a grip "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:50 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:38 PM:
" I will take that there isn't enough evidence in science AND nature for $200").

yeah we all know what you did last time i gave you a truth science lesson, you ran into the hills made of GRANITE and hid, refusing to come out and play in the big leagues.

you resurfaced later, telling everyone how you "debated me"

liar.

yes, your a liar. one of the most prolific ones lately

and eternity, it costs more than $200.

if there is a God, what man mocks him repeatedly and thinks he is going to live to brag about it?
a moron, that's who "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:44 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote; The best part is that he calls you a liar when he doesn't have a comeback").

i call it as the truth unfolds.

not only did i have a "comeback" for everything you threw at me, i backed mine up with HISTORY, and you ran away from it, screaming and yelling "that's fictional".

baWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

the real truth is you couldn't debate my factual history lesson, and now once again your lying about it.

when you lie about me OR you, what do you want me to call you, an "integrity giant"? i can't lie, so i tell the truth. your just another in a busload that can't handle your business, so you resort to lying about what happens.

cracks me up, "you people" crying that i have the guts to call you a liar and game player when you are, then you turn right around and lie again.

man, i sure missed the boat in life, i could have been like you people and lived my life honestly.

that's some resume you guys carry around with you, dragging the sewer grate behind you everywhere you go "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:36 PM:

" I have no idea about that, but I am sure that you are a sick, sick , man, who needs care and understanding in your time of need. I sure hope that you do not live alone, I am afraid you might leave the gas on, or sit on the cat, there must be assistance locally..
Your condition can only worsen.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:35 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote: If I'm wrongg and there is a God, I am sure that real facts won't be in heaven. I can't imagine a god letting someone with that much hate and anger towards others into heaven. ").

the "hate" angle. it's always the weakest link in your arguement.

let's do a little addition....
you think you can mock God, abuse Christ/Christians/Christianity, and your somehow going to see ANYBODY in heaven? even common sense tells a man you mock God, you got NO CHANCE of that happening.

the other side of the coin you wish wasn't true, is that heaven will ONLY be filled with people like me, who were willing to stand up for Christ and not allow some dweeb to bulldoze his name and standards right off the planet.

your just a little miffed you can't talk trash about God and mock him, and that you met a Christian who isn't afraid to hand it to you.

get used to it, because as long as i am in here, that's exactly how it will go down day in and day out until you people gain some respect "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:26 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 PM:
People don't contract it from bacteria or viruses, but by repeatedly engaging in the behavior").

careful mr palgarizer who hides behind the skirt of others, you don't want to challenge the "i was born this way" mantra of billy the human toilet by saying that it is "choice behavior".

billy hasn't been able to talk about homosexuals/AIDS for two years now, because it's personal. getting him to talk about it and admit it's a CHOICE is like getting you to post your own words.

psst robb, billy still thinks he is a "victim". don't tell him he is NOT, because billy the take-everythin-on-kinda-guy that he is, might break down in here, and you would NOT want to witness the final meltdown of a mans soul.

even as nasty as you are, you don't want to witness that.

besides, billy's "bravery" is a facade. he is a wreck, and he is going to need someone to drive him to the bridge.

you and lodian can flip a coin "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:15 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote : " Is it your plan to push me off the bridge, Saint Fruitchrist? Do you still want me to suffer more greatly than normal hell offers? Do you still fantasize about watching me tortured?").

nope. you can do it your worthless bottom feeder self. i want no part in your pathetic excuse of a life. you should do yourself and humanity a favor.

isn't that what everybody mutters to themselves when they watch shows like "to catch a predator" about the pedophile? of course they do, but i have the guts to say it.

people like you billy don't belong in humanity. all you are is taking up space and heralding perversion on everyone and everything every chance you get.

your just heinous stew, boiling over and burning everyone at the table.

it's like the demons - they KNOW theier going to hell, and they are taking everyone with them they can.


just because i speak the truth about you, and i am the ONLY one who will take your disgusting behavior on, doesn't mean the bridge suggestion isn't a good one "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:05 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:45 PM: " real facts is so scared of the unknown around and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to learn more").

if i was "scared", i wouldn't be able to make the claim that there isn't a person that i couldn't go toe-to-toe with on ANY subject matter as it pertains to God, and the design of humankind.

anytime you think you can best me on something, instead of making lame claims about my lack of "intellectaul capacity", i am right here.

you people blow smoke all the time while shooting blanks, but when it comes time for the "marksmanship competition", your no where to be found.

instead of bloviHATING, bring it. there certainly isn't anything you can bring to the table i can't handle. throw everything you have at me, and we will see who has what "intellectually" "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 PM:

" The religious addict can't get through the day without engaging heavily in their faith.
See the correlation?
But, like the above-mentioned addiction disorders, religious fanaticism can be cured in the same way. To mangle a Nike phrase: Just Don't Do It.
I'm not saying it's an easy road, kicking an addiction. Ask any recovering alcoholic, for example. But the first step is to simply quit consuming the addictive substance.
Of course, the best way to ensure not becoming addicted to any of these is to not even start. To alter another familiar phrase: DARE to Think for Yourself.
Just Say No to Religion. "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 PM:

" One often hears of alcoholism or other addiction disorders as being "diseases." Personally, I've always had a problem with that statement.
A disease is generally something that you can catch, like herpes. It's often something that just happens in our bodies, like cancer. Typically, it is not something self-inflicted.
Depression is often labeled a disease, but it's a chemical imbalance in the brain. One doesn't contract it from someone or something. It's not a disease any more than vitamin deficiency is. Once again, we're met with a situation where words are interchanged when they shouldn't be.
But what does this have to do with religious fanaticism? That's easy. Religious fanaticism has all the signs of being an addiction disorder, just like alcoholism, just like compulsive gambling, just like being hooked on crack.
While it's true that some people are born with a predisposition to addictive behavior, the addiction doesn't "just happen." People don't contract it from bacteria or viruses, but by repeatedly engaging in the behavior, whether it's drinking, gambling, or religion. And the addicts eventually need their fix, whether it's Cuervo, Craps, or Christ. "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:55 PM:

" Ok, guys you did it, don't look it straight in the eyes, me thinks it is mad. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:52 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote :
" Hey, Reverend, by the way, where IS all that proof you promised?

All you've ever done is whine that you posted it.

Face it, Fruitcake, you got nothing. ").

don't you wish heinous poster boy for all things sewer.

if i "don't" or "never have", how come you keep having to come in here and lie about it most every day? because your pathetic wishful thinking of a garbage life HAS to, in order to trick your soul into thinking you have anything to live for.

lying everyday for two years isn't a life billy, it's a textbook case of someone wasting it away, by being the toilet bowl of humanity.

laugh it up and lie all you want, your whole life is based on a lie anyway, so who am i to put speedbumps in your path.

just do humanity a favor. when you do finally throw yourself off a bridge, don't desecrate the golden gate. people have lived jumping off that thing, so don't pick that iconic structure, but DO pick one taller with hardly any water in it "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:45 PM:

" real facts is so scared of the unknown around and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to learn more, so he memorizes scripture and hides behind the "safety" of his church.

Both funny and sad.

If I'm wrongg and there is a God, I am sure that real facts won't be in heaven. I can't imagine a god letting someone with that much hate and anger towards others into heaven. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Billy Rubin-

You're right. I try to have an intellectual debate with him and all he does is call me a liar and back up his opinion based on God. He's not even able to think for himself. He has to recycle the dogma he learned in Church. I doubt he even has a thought of his own or has ever come to his own conclusion on an issue. He is a lemming and those people get left behind in our society, which is where his anger probably comes from.

The best part is that he calls you a liar when he doesn't have a comeback. I could say that I like football and he'd say I'm a liar. How can an opinion be a lie? Are we not free to have our oen opinions? I never made any claims, just stated my opinion. But, he has no retort (real facts - that means response), so he just calls you a lair. "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:38 PM:

" I will take that there isn't enough evidence in science AND nature for $200. wink, and a side of frys..

Can anyone say,,, psycho.. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:37 PM:

" Actually, our calendar is based on the Greek calendar, who never worshipped your "God". The year is based on the Chrsitian method for counting the years, but not the months and days. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:18 PM:

" Is it your plan to push me off the bridge, Saint Fruitchrist? Do you still want me to suffer more greatly than normal hell offers? Do you still fantasize about watching me tortured?

real facts wrote:"i have an idea. maybe we should devote our time and efforts into the daily assasination of atheists/gays."[cut and paste - don't bother to deny you wrote it]

More recently His Holiness the Fruitchrist said gays should be rounded up and thrown in prison for no other reason than being gay.

Rounded up, prison, executions?
Sound like His Holy Lordship God Fruitcake has gone beyond even Fred Phelps and charged into Nazi territory.

Psycho. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:13 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:03 PM: " I'm here because of science and nature. ").

then two things haven't happened yet, you haven't witnessed the birth of a child, or you haven't metamorphasized into a three headed billy after 6,000 years of history.

you are here because of "science and nature", only if you are blind, which even science OR nature cannot fix.

shoot if your aim in life is to become a "billy rubin", have at it

the ONLY people that don't KNOW God, it is because they don't want to, certainly because there isn't enough evidence in science AND nature.

shoot, billy rubin is proof there is a God. he's textbook on what happens when a person hates God, and becomes a human toilet inside AND out "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote: Poor old Saint Fruitcake's only defense is to become more and more offensive and to frantically call you a liar when he's cornered").

"cornered". that's a joke. for two years NO ONE has come close to cornering me on anything. but there have been a busload of people challenging truth, of which your their leader in the most bottom feeder award.

"offensive". well billy, that's what a person is in for when they think they are going to call God and Christianity derogitory names. had 4AStrongLodi been respectful, "they" wouldn't have garnered my dubious "attention".

you play nice, you get nice. you come in here swinging, i "flyswatt" you until you become respectful.

say billy the lying human toilet who has miserably failed at making homosexuality "normal", where ARE those "scriptures" that say im supposed to have sex with my daughter because "it's biblical"?

oh yeah, it doesn't say it because your lying trash can of a life spilled across the blog once again.

billy rubin, the "face" of "normal" homosexuality -------> puke

subliminal suggestion ------> "bridge" "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:03 PM:

" I'm here because of science and nature. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:54 PM:

" Oh, brother, now Saint Fruitchrist is going to break out his three year old crap about what year it is.

It was a worthless argument three years ago, Reverend and it's still worthless.

Hey, Reverend, Why is it called California? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:51 PM:

" Hey, Reverend, by the way, where IS all that proof you promised?

All you've ever done is whine that you posted it.

Face it, Fruitcake, you got nothing. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:50 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:39 PM: " And you think we celebrate our birthday because of Jesus???? Are you kidding???

We have birthdays to record our age and how long we've been living. ").

well, unlike robb, you at least had the respect to capitalize and spell HIS name correctly. you get a high five for having that much integrity.

you are only able to keep track OF your bithday, because of the life of Christ, because the calender you use to keep track of your life, is because OF the life of Christ.

is that true or not?

how do you think we came to the conclusion that this is the year 2008?

we make that determination based ON the life of Jesus Christ. you know, the "fictional" character that "never" rose from the dead. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:49 PM:

" You gave it your best shot, 4AStrongLodi, but you are at the end of the line.

Poor old Saint Fruitcake's only defense is to become more and more offensive and to frantically call you a liar when he's cornered.

There's no use trying to debate him - there's nobody in there but a delusional nut.

However I cannot deny the enjoyment in the sport of antagonizing him because he's such a hateful wretch. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:43 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote: " Meant to type: child molestation IS a crime committed against an innocent victim. ").

that's-not-true.

what about consenual sex with an underage minor, with the minor consenting? the "major" still gets hauled away.

is it "victimless"? if it is, according to your desperate way of ading things up it should be "normal".

regardless of your desperation, sex with an underage minor is against the law, no matter how much you wish it were legal to fit your arguement.

there are stop signs in history, and you pick which ones that you don't want to stop at.

as far a proof of God, or seeing God is "real", you should just be honest in that area too......you don't WANT TO know God, so you make excuses and then convince yourself you don't "have to".

God has put HIS indelible stamp on history, and to those who want to see and know Him, he is ever present.

to people that make excuses, God is STILL there, though you can't see HIM only because you plucked your own eyes out ......not because there isn't "sufficent evidence" "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:31 PM:

" is pornography ok because it's "consenting"?

look, both porno and homo used to be illegal for a reason, because BOTH activities redefine purity. purity based in history, not just in religion.

maybe you can extoll the "virtues" of pornography and homosexuality now because a miNUTE proportion of the entire world gave them a pass.

go on, tell us how both of those have only "enhanced" society.

you can't, because for ALL of history, "pure" was sex between one woman and one man. just as soon as that definition took an historical detour, all kinds of fun and warm stuff entered the sexual arena.

maybe you can tell a friend of mine how ditching his wife for a much younger woman is the way to go, instead of the virtues of staying together and working things out

good job being an accessory to that crime "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:22 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi-wrote: " Well, fortunately we're a much more evolved civilization").

"much more evolved".....that's-a-pathetic-joke.

are you willing to say that for the last 6,000 years ALL of history and EVERY society has been wrong, and now we as a human race should embrace perverted sex? that "evolve" arguement is a pure joke and makes you look desperate.

why don't you get it over with and tell the real reason you suddenly give perversion a free pass.....because you don't want anyone telling you right and wrong, so homosexuality is your "sacrifical lamb".

because that's at the core of your beliefs, and people like you look moronic dreaming up arguements in order to get it on the 'acceptable list'.

" except that we don't walk on water anymore"

"we" never did. "HE" did, and you better gain some respect for the FACT that HE did, or it won't matter how brave you are in your mind about it now, once you die and HE is who he claimed to be, and all those EYEWITNESSES were telling the truth, you don't even want to know... "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:10 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote: OK, so once, a long time ago, some guy walked on water and "rose" from the dead. And there were lots of witnesses. But, it's never happened since and it defies physics").

i thought you said it was "fictional"

did-it-or-did-it-not-happen-in-history?

we covered the rediculous angle that God has to act within the laws of physics, when actually if he is God, the majority of time he would act OUTSIDE the laws of physics, which in turn would soldify that he IS God.

the "it's never happened since"? how is that proof it didn't the first and ONLY time? that's rediculous

it was PREDICTED thousands of years BEFORE it happened, that it would only happen ONCE, and never again.

incidentally, it happened on the DAY it was supposed to happen, after it was PREDICTED hundreds of years before.

unless you take your life by your own hands, you CANNOT predict when your life will end, or anybody elses.

the day Christ was born was predicted. the day he was crucified AND risen from the dead....the EXACT days "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Meant to type: child molestation IS a crime committed against an innocent victim. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:02 PM:

" Well, fortunately we're a much more evolved civilization, except that we don't walk on water anymore.

You act like God is the reason I should believe everything. There is no god. Show me where he is. Show me Santa Claus too.

You're really showing your ignorance. Child molestation and homosexuality are completely different, just in case you didn't know that. Child molestation is a crime committed on a minor, and there is a victim. Homosexuality is between two consenting adults. There is no victim and it has no effect on you or I.

You have the right to consider homosexuality as a deviant behavior. But I have the right to see Bible-thumpers as deviant. But, there are no victims. Child molestation is not a crime committed against an innocent person. Why can't you understand the difference? "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:59 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote: OK, so once, a long time ago, some guy walked on water and "rose" from the dead. And there were lots of witnesses. But, it's never happened since and it defies physics").

if "some guy did", while claiming to be God, what would that make him, a "fictional character" in history?

that-would-make-him-God

like i said.....500+ eyewitnesses afterward. eyewitness recordation OF the event by people who actually saw it, and the most compelling of all, eyewitness testimony by historians diametrically opposed to Christianity.

google "foxes book of martyrs". it is a compilation of the stories of Christians tortured because Christ DID rise from the dead, and the subsequent torturing of the followers POST resurrection by those opposed to Christ.

if it is "fictional", why were they tortured and murdered for claiming someone rose from the dead, right after he did?

your very life is based on HIS life, because all of HISTORY says he rose from the dead. tomorrow will be the 23rd of oct because OF him.

"it defies physics". that's lame. since when is God relegated to the laws of physics?

is-that-the-best-you-can-do? "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:46 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:33 PM: Answer my question, how does same-sex marriage affect you? ").

the same way child molestation SHOULD affect you...

it's immoral behavior backed up by 6,000 years of humanity

both are deviant sexual behaviors. you allow one to flourish in society, why not the other.

you keep whining about religion being a part of equation, then i told you, take religion completely out of the mix and for ALL of history (until the last few years) homosexuality has been a debased sexual act period. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:45 PM:

" I think I'm exceeding your mental capacity. How am I lying about anything I've said? I said to point me to where there is proof of Jesus walking on water and rising from the dead. You claim there are witnesses. I'd just like to know where I can see this happen, because I don't believe it.

OK, so once, a long time ago, some guy walked on water and "rose" from the dead. And there were lots of witnesses. But, it's never happened since and it defies physics.

I have also seen it written where many years ago a man in Ireland followed a rainbow and found a pot of gold at the end of it with a leprechaun guarding it. It's been written about and there was a witness, so I guess I should believe it?

You still won't answer my quesion - how does same-sex marriage affect you? All you say is that I'm lying. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:39 PM:

" And you think we celebrate our birthday because of Jesus???? Are you kidding???

We have birthdays to record our age and how long we've been living. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:38 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:23 PM: " real facts -

That's no proof").

go ahead and lie that it isn't proof. your the one that will pay the price FOR lying about it.

your arguement about lots of people getting lucky in the prediction game somehow disavows biblical claims is a lie that you can hold to, but you can't prove to cement your position.

but i can.

i told you, it is a historical mathematical FACT that Jesus Christ fullfilled over 300 prophecies. even the most "prolific" of the world "predictors" couldn't put TWO in a row, let alone over 300 with perfect accuracy. lie about it all you want 4AStrongLodi, it's an historical fact.

the total difference between your position in life and mine, is you have to lie about yours, and pretend it goes away, and it "never happened". all i have to do is repeat HISTORY.

like your "ain't" predecessors in here, you can't debate it, all you can do is lie and say "that's not proof"

wow, that's some position of strength you posess "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:37 PM:

" I'm backing my argument up. It's make-believe that Jesus walked on water and "rose" from the dead. There is NO proof and it defies physics. If there is, then show me where it is and how I can be proven wrong. Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

You still haven't answered my question, how does same-sex marriage affect you? "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:33 PM:

" That's not proof. There have been lots of fictional writings that have matched up with real events many years later.

Answer my question, how does same-sex marriage affect you? "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:27 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:12 PM: " Oh, but Jesus defied physics and walked on water").

why would walking across the water be difficult for God?

Jesus Christ claimed to BE God, and proved it via your own example, as recorded by eyewitness testimony

btw, only God could raise HIMSELF from the dead, which Jesus Christ said he would and then did. as witnessed by over 500+ people, and recorded by eyewitness testimony.

there are historians of speak of that historiacl FACT who are in complete opposition to Christianity.

if the bible is such "fiction", how come you celebrate YOUR birthday because OF Jesus Christ.

the difference between you and me 4AStrongLodi, is i back up what i say, while you swing away then run for the shadows screaming "i refuse".

remember 4AStrongLodi, the full life of Jesus Christ was predicted hundreds of years with precise accuracy, BEFORE he was ever born. including the EXACT time of birth, place of birth, length of life, manner of death, and so many incidentals in between only a liar would say it's "fiction".

you can't predict 10mins from now "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:23 PM:

" real facts -

That's no proof. There have been lots of fictional writings that have matched up with actual events many years later.

Answer my question, how does same-sex marriage affect you? "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:15 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:12 PM: " Oh yes, real facts, you really got me.

The Bible is fiction. It's loosely based on time, geography and leaders of countries, but the rest is made up. If I'm wrong, prove it").

unfortunately for you, "fiction" doesn't come true thousands of years later AFTER someone makes a statement about a specific event.

Jesus Christ alone fulfilled over 300 prophecies just on his life alone, and that isn't counting all the other prophecies that have been 100% accurate over history.

"Fiction" doesn't tell the world that a global financial crisis will happen, and taht the world will evolve into a one world govt. "fiction" doesn't tell the world 2,000 years before it happens, that the day will come when the WHOLE world can SEE two men lying dead in a street all the way across the world in REAL TIME.

"prove it" you say? i just did. if you want to lie like all the rest "i didn't' because you can't debate it, your only one of the many liars in here "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:00 PM:

" I love how everytime I ask a question of the "yes on 8" posters, they all disappear. I'm just asking for an explanation of their views.

Throwing up hateful posts isn't a debate. It's about backing up your views. "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:30 PM:

" answer the 2 questions, loser "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Oh yes, real facts, you really got me.

The Bible is fiction. It's loosely based on time, geography and leaders of countries, but the rest is made up. If I'm wrong, prove it. Oh, but Jesus defied physics and walked on water.

The point of my post is that it is un-Constitutional to decide laws based on the Bible. If it's OK, why not just choose "Lord of the Flies" or the Qur'an?

Your made-up beliefs have no place in deciding real laws that keep us all FREE.

What is your real problem with homosexuals? They don't do anything to you. They're not "contagious", they aren't going to infect you.

I say to each their own, especially when it doesn't affect me. That's what FREEDOM is all about. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:00 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:31 AM:
" real facts-I don't care to debate the Bible. It means nothing to me").

of course you don't, because your not man/woman enough after you came in here swinging your club, to finsih what YOU started.

it's what chicken people like you do. instead of being respectful over things we disagree, you make your snide remarks because your used to thinking you can diss Christians with impunity.

your smart not to debate me, because you know i would hand it to you.

it's telling that in multiple posts you can take your swipe that "the bible is a book of fiction", etc, but then all of a sudden "you can't".

people like you, "never can"

it's ok, i had you pegged all along.
i am only using you as an example that if ANYONE comes in here swinging a club against Christ/Christians/Christianity, your going to get "flyswatted" all over the board until you show respect.

it's what i do in here

another wanna be bites the dust

next? "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:49 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:23 AM:
" I have proven that you are wrong on several occasions, you refuse to answer any questions... ").

laughing.

you have? where? how about you cite ONE INSTANCE where you proved me wrong.
just one.

if i had a dollar for everytime you liars said that garbage, i could pay for rehab for you.

all you continue to do is demonstrate what a lie your position is.

any man/woman that HAS to lie about what they did, doesn't have a position.

trust me when i say this, that you can continue to lie to the hills about you and me, but YOUR the one that will pay for.

because you choose to be a pathetic loser, i could care less where your life ends up in regards to what you lie about in here.

it's your life to flush down the sewer "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:31 AM:

" real facts-

I don't care to debate the Bible. It means nothing to me. You are protected under the Constitution to believe in it and I'm protected the same to not believe in it. Would you also like to debate Santa Claus? Or UFOs? Or how Mike Nolan should have been fired before the season started?

We are all FREE from religious persecution in this country. If you'd like to debate political issues, then bring it on. "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:23 AM:

" I have proven that you are wrong on several occasions, you refuse to answer any questions... "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:21 AM:

" 4AStrongLodi, i will be back in here later. by then i fully expect you to PROVE your statements about the bible being a piece of fiction only.

then "you and i" can compete

now we will see "who" backs up what they sell

DO IT "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:18 AM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:09 AM:

" real facts -

Quit hiding behind religiion as your validation for everything. Religion doesn't govern our laws and rights in this country, so it's a mute point. ").

what are you doing in these blogs anyway? this is the big leagues, and you obviously don't have enough game to "compete" in here.

if you had, you would have read my last paragraph in my last post.

re-read my second to the last paragraph in my last post to you, the very last sentence and then either man up or take a hike. there is no place in these blogs for game players/liars. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:07 AM:

" As far as RF is concerned, I may be... ").

don't flatter yourself.

you can't even handle your business in here, how are you going to compete on the worlds stage?

first off, you would have to get better at lying so the "lie detector" doesn't go off the scale first time you say something.

the ONLY people you could get to follow you, are the "billy rubin's/lodian's" of the world.

nope, your not it. the anti-christ won't be a whimp "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:09 AM:

" real facts -

Quit hiding behind religiion as your validation for everything. Religion doesn't govern our laws and rights in this country, so it's a mute point. "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:09 AM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote: Homosexulaity is not a perversion. And the big questions is, how does homosexuality have anything to do with you? You are passing judgement on something that has no material effect on you.

Personal rights are not legislated by the Bible. That's just a fictional book").

"homosexuality isn't a perversion"
only if your the one that's doing it. self confession maybe?

homosexuality has EVERYTHING to do with everybody in the human race. i suppose you can't get yourself to condemn the practice of child molestation because you aren't involved? give me a break.

the bible has been the benchmark of what IS moral, seeing how God manufactures life AND it's rules ans standards. like i said, anytime you want to back up your "fictional book" lie, i am your man. don't come in here and make accusations you cannot backup, because i will make you pay for them. it's what i do.

even taking God completely out of the equation, for ALL of history homosexual sex has been labeled as perversion, independant of God even, by EVERY society. "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:07 AM:

" As far as RF is concerned, I may be... "

real facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:59 AM:

" ("Mainframe wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:42 AM: real facts: actually i think we are already begging for help from this current government. we are in such a huge mess that has been coming for years. we need someone to get us out of this mess. maybe God is telling us we need a change in this country. ").

HE has been telling US that for a very long time.

because the majority of the status-no won't listen, trust me when i say this, it will get much worse.

"much worse" will breed what you just inferred ...."we need someone to get us out of this mess".

because it will get to the global point of desperation, it will open the door for the anti-christ who will rise to power as the only man that will "appear" that can fix the worlds problems.

the bible says at that point, the WHOLE WORLD will wander after him. how was that even possible before? today with modern technology, it IS possible.

and no, clay aiken is NOT the "anti-christ" "

Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Interesting points... "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Bry and real facts-

Homosexulaity is not a perversion. And the big questions is, how does homosexuality have anything to do with you? You are passing judgement on something that has no material effect on you.

Personal rights are not legislated by the Bible. That's just a fictional book. How about the Constitution?

We were founded on separation of Church and State. If you want to infuse religion into government, then there are several Middle Eastern countires ready to embrace you. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:02 AM:

" "maybe God is telling us we need a change in this country."

I don't know Mainframe, I kind of think He's telling us to stop waiting for the government to step in and save us. "

Mainframe wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:42 AM:

" real facts: actually i think we are already begging for help from this current government. we are in such a huge mess that has been coming for years. we need someone to get us out of this mess. maybe God is telling us we need a change in this country. "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:59 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:20 PM: Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and leave your ridiculous fairy tales out of my government").

with the current GLOBAL financial crisis, it looks like it won't be too much longer and you will begging for help from God, and protection from your govt.

when you do that, should WE then say to you...."nah, it's just fairy tales"? "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:54 PM:

" ("4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:20 PM: " I'm sick of hearing how God justifies this proposition.

God is just pretend. So are Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny").

get used to it, because God wasn't invented three decades ago when the world started sliding off the morality scale.

HE has been around throughout HISTORY, putting HIS unmistakable mark on it for those to see who WANT to see.

for fools, God is "pretend"

tell you what, anytime you want to debate the reality OF God, you know where to find me.

if your "sick of hearing it", this is a perfect opportunity for you to make HIM "dispappear".

i am game, are you? "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:48 PM:

" ("Bry wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:00 PM:
Lodian, for one who claims to be a Christian along with your efforts to condone and protect the perverted conduct of homosexuality, which God hates, you should be ashamed. ").

the whole problem is, SHE ISN'T.

no matter what she has done, no matter how many times she purposefully lied in here, no matter how many times she showed solidarity to billy the God hater, NOT ONE TIME has she EVER apologized, shown remorse or changed her slimy edicts.

all encompasing evidence of a "phony", not a "follower".

i don't mind being the one that does the dirty work in here, so that NO ONE can pull that garbage under the auspices that God is ok with it.

psssst; i especially like how lodian twisted the physiology of what bry said, into "pregnancy and viagra"

what a loon "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:41 PM:

" ("scout wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:18 PM:
" Bry: do you believe in freedom of religion?").

the better, more efficient straight to the point question that would yield ultimate truth is.....did Jesus Christ believe in "freedom of religion"?

that answer is EMPHATICALLY NO
....with Jesus saying "I am the way, the truth and the life".

if you even have to ask that question, you care more about what the govt thinks than what God thinks.

at least in this area of your life, you could care less what God thinks, as you are more worried about individual "rights", than you are about what God calls "right". an individual that is concern about "rights" isn't given over to the authority of God over their life.

Lord and master EXCLUDES the "me" right out of the equation, and make us a bond slave out of obedient love.

straight up, you find somebody fighting for their "rights", they are NOT a follower of Christ.....they follow themselves, and add bits and pieces of Christ's teaching to appease their conscience. "

Bry wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:45 PM:

" 4A, Since you don't like fairy tales. Then why to you keep accepting fairy tales about "gay communities" and "gay people" aka Homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a person. Homosexuality is not a community nor is it a gender or a race. Homosexuality is a form of conduct or a perverted practice. Homosexuality has no rights. People have rights and those rights are limited to laws of this nation. This nation was founded on Judeo Christian values and morals and that is why we have obsenity laws, marrige laws etc. Just because the people want to change our laws into a perverted form of practice does not make it right or just in God's eyes. Especially when this perverted form of conduct is destructive to mankind. So if you want to support and stand along side the the fairy tales, you have a right to your opinion but it contrary to nature, the laws of the land and God's Will.

And by the way, I am bashing not man but the perversion of homosexuality. God will judge the hearts of each man. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:20 PM:

" I'm sick of hearing how God justifies this proposition.

God is just pretend. So are Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and leave your ridiculous fairy tales out of my government.

One of the greatest things about this country is that our laws protect us from religious persecution. Let's not chnage that with this proposition.

Even if it passes, it's just going to get overturned in the Courts again because it is blatant, legally-defined discrimination.

****** VOTE NO ON PROP 8 ****** "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:11 PM:

" Bry-

Your post makes no sense. It sounds like you're supporting a vote of no on Prop 8 until the part where you started bashing gays.

I sleep well at night knwoing the people who have the ost hate for gays are the ones who are just reacting to their own homosexual feeelings with which they're incapable of dealing with. Been to the Minneapolis airport lately? "

Bry wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:00 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Those of you that are all too willing to allow government into the lives and bedrooms of other law-abiding Americans will ultimately get what you ask for when you get way too much government in your daily business. How about Church for starters? No more separation of church and state! There's your slippery slope. That is what you are asking for in voting yes on 8.

There is a separation of Church and State and that is why the State can not force Churches to accept, support or promote homosexuality within their Churches as we've seen State govt do within their own states. This separation is what Proposition 8 continues to enforce. Lodian, for one who claims to be a Christian along with your efforts to condone and protect the perverted conduct of homosexuality, which God hates, you should be ashamed. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Carolyn-

You're obviously an ignorant person who lacks understanding of oour governemnt.

Did you forget that our Country was founded on separation of chuech and state so that EVERYONE could be free from religious persecution?

If you think religion should define governemnt, there are several Middle Eastern countries who would love to have you. "

scout wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:18 PM:

" Bry: do you believe in freedom of religion? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Those of you that are all too willing to allow government into the lives and bedrooms of other law-abiding Americans will ultimately get what you ask for when you get way too much government in your daily business. How about Church for starters? No more separation of church and state! There's your slippery slope. That is what you are asking for in voting yes on 8.

**** NO ON PROP 8 **** "

Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:58 PM:

" Bry wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:47PM:
"Nature itself makes it quite clear how the man and woman's bodies compliment one another and that is defined by the beauty of birth."

Bry: So, if a woman is unable to become pregnant and give birth, must she be denied marriage? If a man is unable to produce fertile sperm, should he then be denied marriage? If a man needs Viagra, should be he denied marriage? "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:55 AM:

" I do not hate your "god").

of course not.

that's why you called HIM "jebus", because your a lying drip that doesn't have enough respect for YOURSELF to even spell an HISTORICAL figure correctly, because you ARE bent on lying via your stance.

go ahead, ask me for some more LIAR "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:39 PM:

" given robb's maturity level in these blogs, he is most likely a young man-boy with a God-sized chip on his shoulder, bent on stripping the faith from others, while selling himself as an altruistic walking hallmark card.

but i know better...

the guy plays tug-o-war with the truth so often, if he DROVE past a courthouse he would have a stroke.

(don't admit it publically rhodie, but i know you laughed at that one) "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:34 PM:

" An interesting article, not about Prop 8 or it's issues but how the California Government is already moving to dismantle religious support organizations that hold to the founding church's principles.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/marchweb-only/3-1-22.0.html "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:33 PM:

" as a Christian, how can ANYBODY give ANYKIND of homosexuality a free pass under ANY auspices when God HIMself straight thru the bible condemn the act EVERYTIME it was referred to?

YOU CAN'T, and call yourself a follower of Christ in the same breath.

for two years i have challenged people that if God IS "ok" with homosexual sex of any kind, all you have to do is show ONE INSTANCE where he "high fived" it.

no one ever has, because it's perversion as designated by God, i don't care if the govt attempts to protect the "rights" of perverts - Gods laws trump mans laws. a follower of Christ is COMMANDED to reflect that fact. ..... only TRUE FOLLOWERS do

scout's position is founded in secular humanism. it is NOT based in Gods design or laws. period "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:20 AM:
" I work in the court system, they do NOT swear to "god", or use the bible anymore in most courts. Just FYI "

Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 PM:
" I HAVE NEVER LIED TO YOU RF... "

From http://www.plea.org/freepubs/bwc/witness.htm

"You may be sworn in by taking a sacred oath that binds your conscience, for example by swearing on the Bible"

So apparently we DO still use the Bible in courts. "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 PM:

" I HAVE NEVER LIED TO YOU RF... ").

laughing

you lying right now, that you "never did">

go ahead, challenge me to list them, because unlike you, i back my statements up with facts, and YOUR OWN WORDS.

go ahead and ask me for "the list"... "

Bry wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Scout - One more thing, you need to see clearly. Homosexuality is not a "group of people", a race, a gender, creed, sect, etc. that are being denied rights. Yes, they love to try and define themselves as such or as a community, however, homosexuality is a practice of perverse conduct not a community, person or gender. Shall we give the community of pedophiles more rights too and at what age should we make this perversion legal. Homosexuality is strictly practice of conduct not a person or community. "

Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 PM:

" I HAVE NEVER LIED TO YOU RF... "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:48 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:20 AM:
" I work in the court system").

as what, a janitor?

anybody that lies as much as you do, that would be about the ONLY position you can hold in the court system.

the court system is supposed to be about FACTUAL UNBIASED TRUTH WITHOUT AGENDA/PREJUDICE, and the adhereance thereof.

given your consistent posture in here, you would be held in contempt of court 20seconds into the hearing. "

Bry wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:46 PM:

" Scout, You've said that Proposition 8 threatens the protection which Churches have from Governmental control, however, you did not explain this nor quote the verbage in Proposition 8 which you are refering to. Please quote the verbage and explain how Proposition 8 is contrary Christianity and God's will. By the way, being against same sex marrige are not just my religious beliefs, these are the Judeo Christian beliefs which America was founded upon why marriage laws between one man and one women were enacted. It is not about free will at any cost nor is it all about me or all about you. It is about continuing to stand by the morals, values and laws that Ameirca was founded upon as one 'Nation Under God'. If one has a genuine love for God, family and fellowman this is quite clear and there is no confusion regarding this issue. "

scout wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:16 PM:

" Bry - you are correct when you write that the separation of church and state originated to protect churches and religious freedoms from the government. The constitutional amendment proposed in Prop 8 would give the state government the power to discriminate against a group of people based on religious beliefs. It blurs the line between the separation of church and state and threatens the protection the churches have from the government. Banning same-sex marriage may reconcile with your religious beliefs, but about other issues? Are you really willing to reliquish the protected power your church has from the government simply because you have an aversion to a same-sex couple getting a secular, state-issued marriage license? "

Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:20 AM:

" I work in the court system, they do NOT swear to "god", or use the bible anymore in most courts. Just FYI "

Bry wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:17 AM:

" The separation of Church and State was intiated not to keep the Church away from the State but to keep the State from controlling the Church. America was founded on Judeo Christian values and morals. That is why we have marrige laws, obsenity laws, pedophilia laws etc. Furthermore, that is why our money says in God we trust and government representatives would take their oaths of office, swearing with one hand on the bible. That is why in a court of law it was mandated that a witness would have to swear to tell the truth with one hand on the Holy Bible. "In God We Trust" is America's Offical National Moto enacted by Congress.

God condemns the perversion of homosexuality in his Word and anyone who promotes, supports and/or protects this perverted conduct is obviously against God's Will. "

real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:41 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:02 AM:
that makes you a TROLL, and a nuisance, I am sure if we took a poll, your services would be dismissed").

hope. you know what it does make me?
it makes me a DEFENDER of my position, unlike you the wuss who REFUSES to debate/defend his position, opting instead to filling the blogs with your puny little hit and run rediculousness.

if you will notice, i am a responder, not an instigator. i wait until someone talks trash, and then i take it out. sometimes across SEVERAL blogs.

because i need to make sure i give it it's proper due, i will go into depth because unlike you, i am man enough to handle my business.

the truth is YOUR the little trouble causing troll that can't handle stuff YOU start (but i can certainly finish it) "

Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:04 AM:

" NO ON Prop 8 "

Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:02 AM:

" well, there it is, I knew that if I posted something that is as asinine as you, you would wright several paragraphs...

that makes you a TROLL, and a nuisance, I am sure if we took a poll, your services would be dismissed. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:12 AM:

" Those of you that are all too willing to allow government into the lives and bedrooms of other law-abiding Americans will ultimately get what you ask for when you get way too much government in your daily business. How about Church for starters? No more separation of church and state! There's your slippery slope. That is what you are asking for in voting yes on 8.

*** NO ON PROP 8 *** "

Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:07 AM:

" Bry wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:47 PM:
"Nature itself makes it quite clear how the man and woman's bodies compliment one another and that is defined by the beauty of birth."

Bry: So, if a woman is unable to become pregnant and give birth, must she be denied marriage? If a man is unable to produce fertile sperm, should he then be denied marriage? If a man needs Viagra, should be he denied marriage? "

Bry wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:47 PM:

" Nature itself makes it quite clear how the man and woman's bodies compliment one another and that is defined by the beauty of birth. Almighty God also made it clear at Sodom and Gommorah what he thinks of homosexual perversion.

Homosexuality is not a race, creed or gender of human beings who are entitled to rights. Homosexuality is a perverted behavioral practice or conduct which people choose to indulge in.

Read the book of Romans and it is clear that the conduct & practice of "men of who lie with men" (aka) homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes. God says to love what is good and hate what is bad. That does not mean to hate the people but to hate the conduct. Only God can judge man and he will do so but it is essential for Christians to judge what is good and what is bad and right from wrong to follow God's laws and commands.

The real hate comes from the selfminded who advocate such perversions as normalcy and then justify and teach it to innocent children. "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:02 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:30 PM:
" I am the truth here, as long as I as here").


"as long as I as here".
laughing

as everyone can tell by my stunning display of grammar, truth isn't contained in the ability to put a perfect sentence structure together, but your life is a joke so the irony of you stuttering all over yourself highlights your "inabilities", despite the size of your wishful thinking e-NO

baWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:57 PM:

" sure robb.

as long as "you are here", i get to TEACH more...

by all means, please allow your deluded mind to run amok.

i am a little disappointed in you lately. i haven't seen a new psychotic character of your spinning mind. did you run out of fresh ones?

pretty hysterical that you consider yourself "the one", when NO ONE else has been able to alter TRUE HISTORY long before i was a blip on the worlds map.

what a moron thinking you can move HISTORY 1 millimeter.

oh well, some people suffer from grandiose-desperation-interrupUS-SINdrome, and YOU have a terminal case of it "

Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:30 PM:

" I am the truth here, as long as I as here, you will be held to a higher standard, you will NOT be allowed to spew your hate and lies. "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:42 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:26 AM:
" I will hold you to task later, now I do not have the time.. ").

sure you will, like all the other times your deluded mind "threatened".
laughing

go to the pharmacy and buy you some more of those "johnny bravo chewables", and come back to "hand it to me"
laughing

just for kicks and giggles, are you the spawn of lodian? because you two are peas in a withered pod.

maybe the reason you "don't have the time", is your installing GRANITE countertops fo yo mamma

baWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhey hey "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:25 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote:
" Like I said...

http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg

LOL! ").

i thought you just told her that child molestation is "no laughing matter"?

liar

your "LOL" isn't a distancing of what billy said, it is an AFFIRMATION.

you not condemning billy's child molestation "examples" PROVES i have ALWAYS been right about you.

go ahead and post all kinds of sites, it won't change the above proofs of who you aren't, no matter how many times you attempt to blame me. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Yea, you got some "splanen" to do.. "


Yes, indeed. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:45 PM:

" No on prop 8...


Don't Worry Everyone, You're Safe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVRPdQB5BCs



And She's the California Constitution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU4udzEbcdQ



Five lies about Yes on Prop 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-pSye9W7FY


...

No on Prop 8 "

Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Yea, you got some "splanen" to do.. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:37 PM:

" deblaw: So again... I'm curious, tell us how the case you cite is connected whatsoever to gay marriage. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:35 PM:

" deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:18 PM:

" Lodian, it may be lame to you, but, not to me any many others that feel as I do, gay is a perversion, just as any other sexual deviation. "

How about we call your husband's need for Viagra a sexual perversion? Then we should bar him from being married to you. Hey, maybe he'd appreciate that! LOL! "

deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:18 PM:

" Lodian, it may be lame to you, but, not to me any many others that feel as I do, gay is a perversion, just as any other sexual deviation. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:38 PM:

" deblaw: No, that case has absolutely positively nothing to do with gay marriage. Even if you twist and spin it all day long, it still has nothing to do with gay marriage.

I'm curious, tell us how this case is connected whatsoever to gay marriage. And don't give me this crap about gay marriage opening the door to perversion. That's lame and you know it. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Lodian: It has everything to do with the abnormal being accepted as norm! Gay marriage, gender change, it all has to do with sexual pervision. Once, one perversion is accepted, all others to follow in suite!

Do you really think there is a line that will be drawn? Remember, equality for all, not just what is the fad of the day... "

Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Good catch, Lodian, I noticed that as well..!!

well done! "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:28 PM:

" deblaw: That case has nothing to do with gay marriage. "

Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:26 AM:

" I will hold you to task later, now I do not have the time.. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:26 AM:

" The below links are to two articles, one recently in the Sacramento Area and another of a case in MA....

Vote yes on 8, to avoid perversion taught in CA schools...

http://www.kcra.com/news/17714619/detail.html "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:18 AM:

" Like I said...

http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg

LOL! "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:52 AM:

" culled from the other blog;

("Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2008 2:39 PM: dyan: Wow, you are pretty twisted. You seem to enjoy it, but I don't find it funny when speaking of child molestation").

really? you sure did EVERYTIME billy said it.

dismantling peoples words and claims to prove that NO ONE in here can challenge the truths of God

it's what i do "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:47 AM:

" lodian, maybe you can explain to the readers on this blog how you jumped all over dyan's analogy of child molesters in the other blog, and how you said NOTHING about billy's garbage about child molestation, when billy told me to go have sex with my daughter, and other multiple versions of it.

who is laughing now lodian?

i almost forgot, robb the wanna be high fived billy's perverted comments about sex with children RIGHT AFTER he said it.

you two make NORMAL peoples stomach turn

you two are out of your mind to dream that you can go against TRUTH "

real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:41 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:08 AM:
" The fact that you refuse to answer the questions").

"refuse" means you lied that i "didn't".

go ahead and keep lying. it only serves MY purpose.

for some psychotic reason in your deluded head, you keep thinking you can continue your rediculous re-occuring posts "you didn't" and "or you can leave", and think somehow when the blog dies, you have asserted some "victory" over what's been happening in here.
LAUGHING

your a wack job just like your predessOR lodian.

if you want to lie, and then high five yourself, that's good. because that only solidifies what i said about you, so i am content to play your game all day long.

if you want to heap more judgement upon your life because you don't care, by all means, please continue your moronic clowns on parade.

lodian will come right behind you to high five you.

baWWWWWWAAAAHHHHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

"you never did". actually robb, the FACTUAL TRUTH is you NEVER DID

what a loser "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:00 AM:

" This one is even better...

http://www.caveyourtrolls.com/img3.jpg

LOL! "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Robb: The troll has now been way overfed!

http://enigma.dune.net/~eric/Do-not-feed-the-troll.PNG

... "

Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:08 AM:

" The fact that you refuse to answer the questions, and deflect at every turn, tells volumes about your integrity, ...

Here, I will make you a deal, if you leave now, there will be no shame..

Or you could b a man and answer the questions... "

real facts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 10:54 PM:

" ("Robb-wrote:
Answer-the-questions-or-leave..").

you aren't even strong enough to pick up the stick you wish to swing at me. you have to be able to pick the stick up off the ground first robb.
laughing

i have some very solemn news for you robb the self designted pinch hitter, there is nothing in your game that can get me to do anything more than be MORE committed to being here everyday.

if you wish to please all those cartoon characters roaming around in your head by telling "them" your the man for the job in here, who am i stop you? but you can talk to yourself

more committment on my part only means i become more efficient as well, spending less time feeding your multiple disordered rediculousness, focusing my efforts where they can create the best stage for truth.

your a wack job, so the only time i will talk to you is when i can USE YOU to illustrate truth

otherwise, your a pathetic waste.

and no, when YOU stand before God, there is NOTHING you can blame me for, s to why you HATE HIM "

real facts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 10:42 PM:

" go play your self aggrandizing/insecurity lying game somewhere else. this is the big leagues robb, and your nothing more than a regurgitating little blog clogging boy

you look like an absolute moron just on the "i never lie" issue alone.

there are at least 5 times in THIS BLOG alone where you lied.

good thing this an anonymous board, otherwise the CPS would "reposess" your kids for having a father that is out of his head.

feel free to high five yourself and lie about what you "did", and what i "didn't". do it a thousand times, i don't care. it just makes TRUTH look good

it will only serve my purpose that you are nothing more than a wack job.

once i hold up the mirror consistently for awhile, "they" unravel so fast it's unbelievable, spilling their "integrity" all over the board, post after post after post.

if they unravel that much in here, who knows what truth does to them "out there"

truth has the ability to drive a man crazy, as evidenced by truths latest victim, robb.

www.robbsrediculousdesperation.puke/gameover "

Robb wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:30 PM:

" I NEVER LIE...

I am still waiting for you to keep your word, as I have...

Answer the questions or leave.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 5:57 PM:

" mainframe, i cannot speak for the "others", but i can assure you my posture is best defined as "firm", emboldened by fortitude.

you will be able to tell the difference when i become mad.

anyway, none of the "ain'ts" in here wouldn't have the guts to go toe to toe debate wise in public.

here on an anonymous board they can't even handle thier business, and chicken out it. if a person cannot do that in here, you know how they would be face to face.

you asked me about michael moore, and i gave you an honest answer, how come when i asked you, you didn't answer me back as to why you did? "

mainframe wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:42 PM:

" People are yelling and freaking out on here. Man I imagine this conversation going on on the sidewalk somewhere in lodi and someone having to call the police! "

real facts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:12 AM:

" -------------> GRANITE <-------------

still waiting (longer than you) "

Robb wrote on Oct 19, 2008 1:07 AM:

" STILL WAITING... " "

real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:24 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:42 PM:
STILL WAITING...
I have all eternity to wait... do you? ").

you do?

well then good. let me know how that works out for you.

what fool makes fun of situations in life that involve ALL of eternity, when they have no idea what happens after they die?

a textbook fool

you have no idea how moronic you have become, but then that's WHY it fits the definition.

go ahead and lie again, i "never did".

that way, you can hand me your integrity on a rusted platter once again

robb said; "i never lie"

sure robb "

Robb wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:35 AM:

" Let us start at the beginning, YOU refuse to discuss your raging EGO, so please discuss exactly what makes you believe that the bible is what you say, and not a work of fiction"


STILL WAITING... "

real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:25 AM:

" i "kinda" feel sorry for these two clowns in a multiple ringed circus.

they are all upside down, having previously the freedom of wiping their feet on Christ/Christians/Christianity at will.

it can't believe the inner turmoil these two must be feeling, having met a Christian that won't let them spew their garbage unchallenged.

not to worry, i am a committed individual whose area of expertise happens to include spotlights and boat anchors.

it's my job description

the strength of one - accosted by the many.

that's an accurate description of truth

robb should look at his keyboard and proof read when typing. when he said "tonight we rumble", he really meant to type "tumble".

robb, the "T" is right next to the "R". "

real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:13 AM:

" poor-bob. i guess when he slipped on his liquiFRIED brain, and called gays "FRUITS", it must have really unnerved HIM.

now-he-is-regressing-back-to-his-pretend-uncle-for-help.

sorry bob, multiple personality DISorder will not help bail you out on who you really areNT.

from now on, you will have to send robb all your posts so he could proof read them before you slip up again. never mind, robb's a bad reference.

between the two of you, there isn't a snowballs chance in lodi that either one of you can be counted on for ANYTHING other than self degradation

but, might i suggest you two get an apt together, and then you two can live in dreamland when you think up your self roller coaster ways of "besting truth"?

"FRUIT". that's bob's permanent integrity boat anchor i tied to his leg, that will follow him around for a long time

so i don't play favorites in here, i am sending robb a gift certificate for rhinoplasty, only the doctor i am sending him to has been sued mutiple times for botching the surgery, that way robb never forgets the penalty of NOT telling the TRUTH "

real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:57 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:24 PM:
" I have answered your questions, just because you dislike the answers I have given is no need to make up stories. ").

sometimes, you sound like an EXACT replica of billy, as if you ARE billy masquerading as a heterosexual with "6 kids".

if you had really answered my questions, and not just lied about it, i think it would be one of the first times i was actually stumped in these blogs

your so full of it, you "almost" make bob look sane.

you lied. it wasn't a matter of me "disliking your answers", it was a matter of you completely NOT answering them, deflecting from it, and then once again lying about it.

what is your deal in life anyway? there has to be some kind of syndrome that gives people false feelings of self acceptance who do nothing more than lie about themselves on a blog

you have a terminal case of whatever it's called

you know that "roundabout" in woodbridge? your the human version of it "

Robb wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:24 PM:

" I have answered your questions, just because you dislike the answers I have given is no need to make up stories. "

Robb wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:42 PM:

" Let us start at the beginning, YOU refuse to discuss your raging EGO, so please discuss exactly what makes you believe that the bible is what you say, and not a work of fiction"


STILL WAITING...
I have all eternity to wait... do you? "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:31 PM:

" RF, my uncle says he would love to come by and perform an exorcism at your place. Just let me know a good time buddy. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:28 PM:

" ...and all the trash he has supposedly taken out is piled in a corner, collecting flies, along with stacks of "cease and desist" orders from various citizens, businesses, and churches. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:25 PM:

" RF's handle today will be Robb Fan.

I picture his hovel filled with blogs that he has printed out and posted all over the walls. There are flow charts and graphs linking different bloggers' names and whatever crimes they have committed against him. There is a big poster of Jesus surrounded by creepy love poems and post-it notes RF has written to him.

There are also lots of sheep carcasses strewn about. "

real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:32 PM:

" oh, and maybe while i am gone, you can (a) apologize for calling me a liar about there "not" being "any" instances of where homosexuals sued Christians over "rights issues", and (b) you can bring all that "evidence" you said you were going to bring that "debunks" the GRANITE debate.

the FACT that you will do NEITHER, proves your nothing but a lying troll looking to make trouble.

your certainly not a man

i would like to think you lied about having 6 kids, in relation to your non integrity status and passing THAT onto them.

how unfortunate for them.

PLEASE tell us you lied about fathering 6 children.

that atleast would provide "some" relief from what you "try" and pull in here

P.S. my "gas gauge" still reads FULL, while you have been stranded in the desert blogs ago having run out of "gas".

it's ok. once you check your ego, i have some "water" for you to drink, and you know how "thirsty" you really are, even though you keep experiencing "mirages" in your head.

go ahead and ask me.... "

real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:21 PM:

" robb, you can bump posts until your fingers bleed, you will STILL be lying that i "didn't", and you "did"

join-the-real-circus. this-one-in-here-only-makes-you-lost-in-the-clown-crowd

"you people" always parrot each others methodoloGEE, by refusing to handle your own business first, while "demanding" others answer YOUR question (which i just did btw).

anyway, is there some manual you guys buy on the internet that guides you in your circus act? because you all do the same

i am going to be busy now, so by all means, let your schizNOphrenia run amok, and lie that i "did'nt", while you NEVER have.

it's what you are. a parrot of false bravado propped up by wishful thinking

what-a-waste-of-a-human-life

your game in here was once again "over" when you made the comment AFTER billy inSINuhated i wanted to have sex with a boy, and i quote YOU...
" oh, that is soo wrong, on soo many levels..;) "

good job robb. laughing at someone suggesting perverted acts.

that's some "integrity" you have accrued.

later, i will CONTINUE to unravel robb compared to what he claims he "is" "

Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:53 AM:

" deblaw:

:p




... "

Robb wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Let us start at the beginning, YOU refuse to discuss your raging EGO, so please discuss exactly what makes you believe that the bible is what you say, and not a work of fiction"


STILL WAITING... "

real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:44 PM:
ok.... and jebus talks to you...... ").

sure robb, you "never"

listen, i can spend a whole day taking out your trash that you refuse to back up and lie about, but that's currently a waste of time, as your lies are already chronicled for ALL to see.

your "i will hand it to you", and your "i will prove your GRANITE theory wrong", blah blah blah puke

you just a little boy in a mans world in here robb, so your sophmoronic "let's rumble" is really code for your a weak man trying to act brave, and you have NOTHING

see, that was a simple diagneurosis of you.

"ok, let's rumble"
baHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

btw, so i can "teach", the bible is PROVABLE PROPHETIC HISTORY, not fairy tales, and THAT'S what makes it the words of God THRU man

true HISTORY, that is currently
"rumbling" around in your soul "

real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:29 PM:

" I have never said hurtful things about your god... "

real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:51 AM:

" ("Robb wrote;:
" Let us start at the beginning, YOU refuse to discuss your raging EGO, so please discuss exactly what makes you believe that the bible is what you say, and not a work of fiction")

figures.

you can't handle YOUR responsibilities in here, so you change the subject. do what YOUR responsible for FIRST, and then i will answer anything you can throw at me.

if we "started from the beginning", you would be typing ALL DAY answering the myriad questions and challenges i threw at you, were you SKATED from EVERYONE of them.

your-a-joke, who-likes-to-see-his-words-on-a-blog-page.

besides, would you count up for me the times i ALREADY HAVE answered your question?

robb said ; "to tell the truth, i am a human lie detector"

laughing. everything you say makes you look rediculous. dude YOU lie, and you cannot even "detect" that. plus the rediculous amount of times your two compadres in crime, billy and lodian, when THEY lie every other post, where is your "detector" then?

you always say that I lie, yet you NEVER prove it.

detect this......YOUR the liar "

real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:36 AM:

" dear robb, i almost forgot about proving to you what i said about homosexuals ALREADY suing Christians.

you said it was a lie, and I said because i am the exact opposite of you in that i am a man that WILL back up what i say, here it is...

the reference to homosexuals suing in canada because a pastor REFUSED to marry them....
http://purple-skunk.deviantart.com/

a wedding photographer was sued for refusing to photograph a lesbian
"couple", and was ordered to pay a $6,000 fine.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=75547

all one has to do is google "homosexuals sue christians" and you will get ALOT of accounts of them doing it, which PROVES YOUR THE LIAR

unlike you robb, i back up what i say

now that you called ME a liar, and i proved YOU were the one that was lying, now what excuse are you going to make? "

deblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:20 AM:

" :') "

Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:11 AM:

" deblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:38 AM:

" Lodian.. I am from the South, that is South of Fairy Land (SF)...The South has some wonderful Knights! "

deblaw: Yes, I can see that you are proud of your time with the knights. "

Robb wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:21 AM:

" Let us start at the beginning, YOU refuse to discuss your raging EGO, so please discuss exactly what makes you believe that the bible is what you say, and not a work of fiction.

And tell the truth, I am a human lie detector.. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:38 AM:

" Lodian.. I am from the South, that is South of Fairy Land (SF)...The South has some wonderful Knights! "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:55 PM:

" TRUTH scoreboard tonite...

billy is sicker than ever, and lodian and robb are STILL high fiving it.

that drowns lodians "claim" of being a Christian. your straight up evil if you high five that garbage

the score is so lopsided, it's not even worth posting it anymore.

this garbage is nothing. you think billy is sick, you ain't seen nothin yet.

i read the END of the book, and the book says it WILL get worse.

don't believe me? not too many years ago, there WOULD HAVE BEEN a complete uprising and straight up condemnation of billy's lying perversion garbage in here. but what REALLY happens, is it is only getting worse.

his sick mind has no speed bump, because NO ONE is holding up the stop sign, because your afraid of him.

that's NOT ok, but i will STILL take this guy to the moral cleaners EVERYDAY

i am not afraid of him, or BUSLOADS of him for that matter

the gates of hell shall NOT prevail, but TRUTH will

i guarantee it 549% "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:41 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:12 PM: while he "accidently" keeps bumping into the gay boy who works with him (while constantly saying, "Satan! Get there behind me! so I can better cop a feel of the kid...").

look at that, another gem of billy's attempt at making sure everyone thinks homosexuality is "normal"

shoot, lodian and robb are on board with billy, high fiving billy's FRESH new perversion. those two laugh out loud at billys perversion, as if it's business as usual for them.

nice. what's that bumper stickiER that says "birds of a feather, pluck out each others feathers, and call themselves pretty"?

ok, so i just made that up, but feel free to use it as a banner on your front lawn so that people will vote YES on prop 8, so billy can come back and "camPAIN" for more of his "fuzzy love stories" of homosexual "normality".

billy. the new "incentive plan" of how you "think" you can mock God and get away with it, or the other version....how homosexuality really IS perverted

pick one

poor billy. such a "victim" "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:29 PM:

" ("Robb wrote:
I tell you what though, you do what you feel is right, and I will set you straight in the AM...").

wow. i won't sleep tonight worrying about robbs 'ability' to give truth the boot.

i bet he is lying about his abilities, and i straight up challenge him to try.

coming from a guy that lied about me misrepresenting the bible, etc, and i challenged him "where", and he chickened out of doing it, i can only imagine the force of nature robb thinks he is.

you-know-I-will-be-here-tomorrow-robb.

tomorrow, create a NEW character. one that actually DOES what it says it's going to do.

i want THAT ONE

i will even handicap myself. i promise to tie half my brain behind my back while you are experiMENTALing with your new johnny bravo, so that you have an advantage right at the start.

fair enough?

all i am is a Christian that believes in "fairy tales". should be a cakewalk for you, right?

i will be here, and YOU will still be a non factoid. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:17 PM:

" ("Robb wrote;
" Ok guys... tonight, we rumble... ").

dude, you-have-schizNOphrenia.

you fade in and out of different characters in here like a young child on his first merry go around. it's dizzying

"who" will you pull out tomorrow?
(a) the guy that will "challenge" history?
(b) the guy that "doesn't lie"
(c) the guy that doesn't "call me names"?
(d) the guy that "doesn't mock God"?
(e)the "nice-altruistic guy"?
(f) the "science expert"?
(g) the great "debater"
(h) the "big tough robb"?
(i) the guy that will "put me in my place"?

which one can i expect, or are you tooling around with "other" persona's?

doesn't matter. i am a multitasker with the flexiable ability to handle ALL your induced "characters", and any other of your constituAIN'TS that think they can. all by myself if i need to.

you forgot my picture analogy robb about the "bank of stockton guy" in the top right corner of the homepage.

that's what I look like when i am taking on ALL your cast of characters, AFTER you squeek "ok, let's rumble"

which-one-of-your-"characters"-said-that?

baWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAho thump "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:01 PM:

" btw, i almost forgot to ask audi, did you count up the amount of Christians in here vs the "aint's"?

i am greatful there are more at the moment, than there usually is, but that's rare.

what's normal is watching the 'ain'ts' bulldoze Gods truth likes it's nothing, while Christians like you sit there.

i personally don't care whether truth is aimed at the aint's OR fellow believers.

if it's the truth, you either do something about it, or it defines who you aren't in THAT area of your life

TRUTH devides a room - on BOTH sides, because truth shows NO favortism "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:56 PM:

" Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:40 PM:
" Too bizarre. ").

not at all audi.

read psalms and proverbs like i asked you to, couple that with the way God has dealt with unrelenting evil, and "maybe" you will find yourself in place where YOU need to make a choice.

mark my words audi, this is only the beginning, before "they" start murdering Christians. if you are here at that time, what will you do then, hand them a tract?

i got to thinking about my previous agreement with you on the "predestination" thing.

it's a yes AND no issue.

the way this world WILL go, is "predestined" ONLY in the sense that God ALREADY knows what will happen, to whom it will happen to, all the way till the end, when God destroys this earth, and creates a new one WITHOUT any "billy's", and RECORDED IT, coupled with Gods omniscience.

predestined ONLY means God knows BEFOREHAND. it DOES NOT imply that you and i sit there while it happens.

well, maybe YOU can "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:49 PM:

" Anywho, past my bedtime, early to rise...

I guess I take a rain check on the rumbling.

I tell you what though, you do what you feel is right, and I will set you straight in the AM...

Loves it! "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:18 PM:

" What time are we rumbling?, I am getting sleepy. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:13 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Ok guys... tonight, we rumble... "

LOTFLMAO!!!! "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:13 PM:

" Four, five, six and seven... "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:29 PM:

" oh, that is soo wrong, on soo many levels..;) "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:12 PM:

" It looks like it's going to be a late rumble - Saint Fruitchrist will be asking, "D'you wan'fries wi'that?" until about 10 while he "accidently" keeps bumping into the gay boy who works with him (while constantly saying, "Satan! Get there behind me! so I can better cop a feel of the kid..."). "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Ok guys... tonight, we rumble... "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Too bizarre. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Lodian.. I am from the South, that is South of Fairy Land (SF)...The South has some wonderful Knights! "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:03 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:42 PM:
" He'll be back momentarily. He's busy on the "weighing in on prop 8" blog posting as OhMy. ").

gee, i would be bummed knowing God made you pay for the lies you tell.

someday lodian, all this "bravery" behind your computer won't do you an ounce of good.

someday. i live for "someday" "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:00 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:56 PM:
" Still waiting to hear about the EGO, and the FACTS about the multitude of lawsuits... ").

of course you are, because your not man enough to once again handle your business and provide PROOF of your accusations against me.

lying about me and hitting and running isn't a defense against the truth robb.
it illustrates your supreme weakness.

once again, i will demonstrate what it means to HAVE a strong position, by backing up what I claim.

tonight after work, i will show you again how a real man handles his business.

in the meantime, lie about me somemore, so "we" can believe you that you "never lie" "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:58 PM:

" deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Lodian...

deblaw: LOL! I thought that's where your type reside. Oh, wait... You guys wear funny hats and meet at night by the fire.

Highly possible.... I love campfires!

LOL>..You are an ass "

Thank you. Coming from you I consider that a huge compliment. LOL! And yes, I thought you were the type that enjoys those knight gatherings by the fire. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:56 PM:

" ("The Blimp wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM: Don't you guys get it? This Real Facts imp is just stirring the pot. No one real person can alientate everyone from every possible point of view. Funny! ").

it's ok, truth devides a room, and forces a man to decide.

when that quandry about what to do about it collides with their faulty position, they bring their "concerns" to me.

so i tell them more truth, and allow THAT to devide them again

it's what i am SUPPOSED to do, given what's at stake in here "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Still waiting to hear about the EGO, and the FACTS about the multitude of lawsuits... "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:53 PM:

" i have a little "contemplative moment" for audi BEFORE he decides to post again.

think back audi on all the blogs that you have witnessed here, on ONLY the subjects containing arena's about God, relgion, sin, homosexuality, etc.

now, how many Christians have you seen involved in the battle for truth, in comparison to the BUSLOADS attacking it?

once in awhile Christians come in here to say or thing or two, but then they hit reverse and watch as the inmates run the asylum

how "scriptural" is that audi, that we are supposed to sit there and let it happen?

don't-believe-me, count-up-the-numbers-of-"who is who"-in-these-blogs

you may not have the stomach for it, but don't get in the way of-someone-who-does

i am not the end all be all keeper of truth in the world, but if i didn't do what i am willing to do in here, do you have a clue what these God hating people WOULD DO if left unchallenged?

i am telling you straight up, THAT'S the reason homosexuality has the foothold it does today, because of people REFUSING to go to that level to speak out against it "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Lodian...

deblaw: LOL! I thought that's where your type reside. Oh, wait... You guys wear funny hats and meet at night by the fire.

Highly possible.... I love campfires!

LOL>..You are an ass "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Whoop, there it is!

Three... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:42 PM:

" He'll be back momentarily. He's busy on the "weighing in on prop 8" blog posting as OhMy. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:41 PM:

" (Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:15 PM:
" metric time system and audi 5000: FYI, RF has many handles with the latest being "OhMy". He thinks we don't know this about him. LOL! ").

good post lodian

now maybe audi will understand WHY i do what i do in here, given the no conscience lying of you and your living in the sewers of life patrners in crime

maybe you can repost MY POST where i stated in here i have NEVER posted in any other name, other than the one time i HAD TO to take your lying trash to the curb

liar "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:15 PM:

" metric time system and audi 5000: FYI, RF has many handles with the latest being "OhMy". He thinks we don't know this about him. LOL! "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Two... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:13 PM:

" deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:11 PM:

" BR.. Not prison nor death, but, your own little island would be nice, like the lepers... "

deblaw: LOL! I thought that's where your type reside. Oh, wait... You guys wear funny hats and meet at night by the fire. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:13 PM:

" ("Metric Time System wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:00 PM: " to real facts: Do you know a Pastor or a trusted mature believer in which you can discuss your behavior? ").

for what? for telling the hard truth and being willing to take out their trash?

just because your not, doesn't mean it's not right.

and BTW, why would you resort to being "metric time system" when you could no longer defend your position as 'audi 5000'?

that is not even close to being cool, and it demonstrates a weakness in your position "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:11 PM:

" The Blimp: Yep, I think he's a ringer. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:11 PM:

" BR.. Not prison nor death, but, your own little island would be nice, like the lepers... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:09 PM:

" one... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Can you all just feel that there will soon be a barrage of comments from RF coming our way? I will guess there will be about 7 ranting posts coming soon. "

The Blimp wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Don't you guys get it? This Real Facts imp is just stirring the pot. No one real person can alientate everyone from every possible point of view. Funny! "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM:

" live-with-it-billy

YOU caused your OWN personal hell, and then took it to these blogs.

i just happened to be man enough to tell you straight up what an evil pervert you are, and what will happen to you if you don't repent.

other Christians mask that inevitaBILLYity, but i DON'T.

if you were to ask ANYBODY if they actually WERE faced with evil, what they wished would be done about it, they would say the same thing

i just happen to have the guts to say it

if God himself advocates people going to hell based on them CHOOSING evil, why on earth would i have a problem with it? HE calls people to repent FIRST, but if you don't...

maybe if more people had that fear, people like you wouldn't proliferHATE

remember billy, your not a "victim". you have eraned your status, and it has NOTHING to do with me. all i do, is remind you of it.

IF you had been a RESPECTFUL person in here, despite being a homosexual, i wouldn't have HAD to tell you the truth about what you REALLY are "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:05 PM:

" Metric Time System wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:00 PM:

" to real facts: Do you know a Pastor or a trusted mature believer in which you can discuss your behavior?"

We've all been down this road with RF and he stated that he does not have a church and does not need anyone to talk to. It's very sad. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Billy (re: Oct 16, 2008 12:47 PM): That's a lot of hate coming from him. It is wise of you to keep those postings recorded on file somewhere, just in case you ever need proof. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Billy: He should be arrested on suspicion of a hate crime. I bet there's plenty of evidence. When someone speaks of such hate and violence against gay people it just wouldn't be much of a leap to think that he has probably done something awful in real life. Be careful, Billy. Make sure you don't divulge any personal information to this nut case. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Robb: Beware! Don't take RF up on any of his "bets" or "promises" as he reneges on all. He's a liar through and through. Can't trust the guy for one second. But I'm sure you already realize this is true. Be careful what you tell him too and don't tell him anything personal either. He's a CrEePy guy!! "

Metric Time System wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:00 PM:

" to real facts: Do you know a Pastor or a trusted mature believer in which you can discuss your behavior? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:59 PM:

" deblaw: It's too bad that there are still so many ignorant prejudiced people in this country, such as yourself, to where you would deny a law-abiding adult American their right to marry, just like you. What other hate groups are you affiliated with these days? "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 PM:
" Robb: Beware! Don't take RF up on any of his "bets" or "promises" as he reneges on all. He's a liar through and through").

your a pathetic liar. i have followed thru proving my point and just about everything i have ever said in here, EVIDENCED by my long winded posts MAKING SURE I DID

your imploring robb to chicken out of his responsibilities is just like you, seeing no one can count the lies/accusations you leveled at me, but "wouldn't prove".

your on the hook for spawning robb in here















that's the way you people operHATE. you spray the room with your lies, but when challenged to "prove it", you feign brain fade "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Billy: He should be arrested on suspicion of hate crimes. I bet there's plenty of evidence. When someone speaks of such hate and violence against gay people it just wouldn't be much of a leap to think that he has probably done something awful in real life. Be careful, Billy. Make sure you don't divulge any personal information to this nut case. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Lodian..

They are one of the same to me.. Perverse is Perverse, legal or not...

Call it hate, call it whatever you want, but it is what it is...My vote went in the mail yesterday.... "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:49 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:39 PM:
And, deblaw, you keep comparing a gay person to a pedophile. Being gay is not illegal").

she should. in the vein of how both God and society ad things up, they are BOTH immoral deviant behavior(s).

having homosexual sex WAS illegal, for CENTURIES, or did you "forget" that part lodian?

your ilk pushed for it to be redefined.

is your husband having sex with other woman immoral? i guess not "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Robb: Beware! Don't take RF up on any of his "bets" or "promises" as he reneges on all. He's a liar through and through. Can't trust the guy for one second. But I'm sure you already realize this is true. Be careful what you tell him too and don't tell him anything personal either. He's a CrEePy guy! "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Saint Fruitcake, it's not very convincing when you try to make someone belive you don't want them dead but then go on to say, "and YES, i CANNOT WAIT until the day that God takes YOUR trash out permanently. if i had personal knowledge somehow that YOU went to hell, i would probabaly throw a party."

And, "the day where ALL voices like yours is SILENCED, that day will be the best day since the beginning of time"

Such rage, Saint Fruitchrist.

You DID, as a matter of positive fact, say that people should turn their time and energy to daily assassinations of gays and non-believers. You can lie now, I don't care; you've ALWAYS been a liar. I saved that blog.

You DID say you want gays rounded up and thrown in prison.

You said you wanted to torture me beyond the misery contained in hell.

You said all these things. Prison, torture, death. No persecution is sufficient for you.

You are the face of modern Christianity.

And now you have given yourself a little parasitic twin named OhMy.

Religion causes insanity. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:44 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:13 PM:
" Billy's accounts are correct. ").

i like this other admission of solidarity WITH billy the advocate of all things perverted.

culled from the other blog about prop 8

keep in mind, lodian made this statement AFTER she claimed to be a Christian, and AFTER billy got called out in here on his perversions multiple times without conscience by stating that "i should go have sex with my daughter"

people think this is tedious for me to KEEP pointing these things out, but it ISN'T.

it's necessary in the war on truth

and i am committed to do it EVERYDAY so that Gods authority rises above this garbage, and so other people don't get sold the idea that they can mock God without consequences.

THAT would be THE lie in here "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:41 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Real Facts you are a Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance, you spew Misinformation when you speak, I implore you, please educate your self BEFORE you speak, I am positive the bible is NOT filled with the HATE you preach. "

I wonder what bible he reads. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:39 PM:

" deblaw wrote "They still have the behavior, they just can't act on it."

deblaw: So, you think that barring gay people from marriage (with prop 8) will stop them from having a gay/homosexual relationship?

And, deblaw, you keep comparing a gay person to a pedophile. Being gay is not illegal, nor is it an awful heinous crime against a child. Gay marriage is about two law-abiding adults that would like the same right to marry as you and I. You need to get that straight. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:33 PM:

" I'm glad you expained it all, Girard.
Here I misunderstood so many of the hateful religibots to say they want gays imprisoned or to merely stop living/loving their partner, but you have cleared it all up now by saying Prop 8 is to legislate gays out of existence by mob rule.

I see now. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:33 PM:

" scout:(re: your posts at 10:45 10:48 & 10:50am): I could not have said it any better. Thank you. Very well said. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:32 PM:

" Audi 5000 wrote "there was not recorded a time where wanted to celebrate someone going to Hell, calling people names, saying "i win, you lose, hahaha!" Those comments and many others show the lowest level of spiritual maturity and is a misrepresentation of God's word."

Audi 5000: Very true. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:32 PM:

" (Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:51 AM:
" ake you a deal robb, if it passes, and the FIRST TIME someone sues a church for discrmination because the church refused to marry a homosexual "couple", can i sue YOU for being an accesory to the crime?

you betcha, that has NEVER happened and will NEVER happen, you are a liar").

see, i am a whole different kind of man than you have ever been, at least how you are in here.

what are you willing to give me if i CAN "prove it" that it ALREADY HAS happened?

btw, i am comfortable in my own skin, and spell check just slows me down.

you can read and understand EVERYTHING i write, so don't ad that to your "excuse list"

i am not like you integrity AIN'T'S.
i don't have to lie because my position isn't weak.

that's yours, lodian's and billy's trash "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:30 PM:

" scout: (re: your posts at 10:45 10:48 & 10:50am): I could not have said it any better. Thank you. Very well said. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM:
" Real Facts you are a Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance, you spew Misinformation when you speak").

really? then PROVE IT

if i EVER witness you back your statements up WITH PROOF, i will probably have a stroke.

there's your incentive "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:24 PM:

" ("Robb wrote:
" Real Facts you are a Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance, you spew Misinformation when you speak, I implore you, please educate your self BEFORE you speak, I am positive the bible is NOT filled with the HATE you preach. ").

wishful thinking on your part robb.

there is nothing "hateful" about God ultimately dispatching evil.

he did it in waves throughout history. sodom and gomorrah. the flood. pockets of God wiping out whole tribes of people that thought they could pump their chest out at HIM. history is filled with God doing what you lie as "hate".

your just a little miffed because you are in his sights, unless you repent.
NO ONE mocks God and lives eternally to brag about it.

gain some respect robb, before respect overtakes YOU

judgement. vindication. evil. righteousness and UNrighteousness. hell. truth......

all-biblical-robb-the-king-of-white-out

you couldn't even defend your OWN position on science, what in your wishful thinking mind have you ANY idea WHAT the bible actually DOES say about a guy like you, and your purposeful fight against God?

you don't (as usual) "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM:

" scout wrote:
" deblaw: the majority of child molestors and pedophiles are adult men preying on young girls. Thus, should we take away the right for all men to marry? ").

the "majority" arguement is an excuse for NOT calling immoral behavior what it is, when it's perpetrated by ANYONE.

that said, when child molesters/pedophiles/homosexuals are CAUGHT in deviant behavior, they should be sent to jail for breaking the law.

get caught doing so, go to jail. pretty simple stuff. last time i checked, HETEROsexuals having sex in public was illegal, because guess what, it's IMMORAL, not because it is an act that "religion" condemns

shoot, going to jail isn't anywhere near as harsh is when God ordered those that PRACTICED homosexuality WITHOUT conscience to be stoned to death.

here is where audi is going to accuse me of "mishandling" Gods word, even though it's RECORDED that God handled homosexuality that way THEN, when God wasn't exactly "loving" toward sin.

what do you think happened then audi?
did God fling the stones himself, or did he order the executions at the hands of his servants?

i-tell-the-hard-truth, despite-the-fallout-thereof "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Real Facts you are a Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance, you spew Misinformation when you speak, I implore you, please educate your self BEFORE you speak, I am positive the bible is NOT filled with the HATE you preach. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:00 PM:

" ("scout wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:48 AM:
" Frankly, I am shocked that so many religious and conservative groups are in favor of Prop 8. Prop 8 increases government power. I do not think the government has any place in trying to influence my religious beliefs. ").

try again scout

you can take the relgion aspect clean out of the equation, and it is still a morality issue.

one thing i challenged you on previously, and you purposefully ran away from, is how you think it becomes a "rights issue" all of sudden, when for the ENTIRETY of the human race it's been a moral issue even apart from religion. 6,ooo years worth

let's see you answer that one

another obvious no duh is the FACT that you can remove what's happening in calif out of the equation, and ad into the WORLDS opinion about homosexual sex and what do you get scout?

IMMORAL BEHAVIOR. period

so that begs the question, what else do you high five? "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:51 AM:

" EGO, speak about yours... "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:51 AM:

" ake you a deal robb, if it passes, and the FIRST TIME someone sues a church for discrmination because the church refused to marry a homosexual "couple", can i sue YOU for being an accesory to the crime?

you betcha, that has NEVER happened and will NEVER happen, you are a liar.

and Spell checker would help you out a long ways... "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:44 AM:

" ("Audi 5000 wrote : Paul boldly proclaimed the gospel message and confronted a sin filled society, but there was not recorded a time where wanted to celebrate someone going to Hell, calling people names, saying "i win, you lose, hahaha!" Those comments and many others show the lowest level of spiritual maturity and is a misrepresentation of God's word").

i never said "i" win - you lose.
i said TRUTH wins audi, so don't misrepresent me just because your too weak to go toe to toe with evil.

paul didn't call people liars? what bible do you read? paul got right up in peoples faces and boldly told them the truth.

now, as far as high fiving billy going to hell, your going to have to explain while nearly a THIRD of the psalms and proverbs DIRECTLY rejoice when God handles evil, and dispatches and disposes of it

your "loving/tolerant" referendum is always the FIRST move, but it ISN'T the "only" move, as witnessed in the ENITIRETY of Gods word.

actually between the two of us, YOUR misrepresenting Gods word, because your afraid of the fight

i am not "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:29 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:45 AM:
" The Ads the are in favor Of prop 8 are very misleading, there are NO rights lost if it does not pass, there is NOTHING to lose").

make you a deal robb, if it passes, and the FIRST TIME someone sues a church for discrmination because the church refused to marry a homosexual "couple", can i sue YOU for being an accesory to the crime?

because it WILL happen, because it ALREADY HAS

you cannot begin to imagine the charges already piling up on you in the "accesory to the crime" game.

what's one more to a guy like you that could care less about God, and fights against those that do, so he can strip their faith as well?

go ahead, strut out your "nice guy" schtick so i can prove your intent once again.

it's what i do "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:22 AM:

" ("lodisafeway wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:27 AM: First, you cannot win - for all of your hate-mongering, lies and distortions, you will change no one's mind to join whatever cause it is you are leading").

no way, billy is doing an EXCELLANT job at making homosexuality and perversion appear "normal"

i think billy is doing admirably in the war on gaining acceptance of homosexuality as being "loving" and "normal"

with billy leading the charge, it won't be long before homosexuality is accepted by everyone, and all of history will have to apologize personally to billy for being "wrong" all these centuries

billy rubin - the "face" of what's right about "alledged" perversion "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:46 AM:
" Looks like real Freak will be standing alone.... ").

i will, and so will you.

this difference between me and you is i can't wait, while you lie about it that it will never happen.

say robb, what happened to your lying about you don't call me names?

fading in and out of your "nice guy" character today i see. good, because i called it, that your selling your "nice guy" act to a crowd that doesn't buy it anymore.

thanks to my persistence, now everyone knows what you are REALLY about.

someday you will either thank me, or curse my name, but one things for sure, you won't forget i was one of the few people that you have run into that will tell you the brutal truth about your bad career choice on fighting against God.

here is another "career tip" robb - NO ONE has EVER won that battle, and given all your efforts so far, you haven't made HISTORY "disappear"

TRUTH 1 (sans ego) - robb zerO "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:08 AM:

" ("lodisafeway wrote: " Those who believe that there is no "prayer" in school are grossly ignorant or simply misinformed. While no one may lead others in prayer, there are plenty of students who "pray" and for a variety of reasons during each school day").

there is (or recently was) a group of Christians at lodi high that met ON CAMPUS to hold studies and pray.

i bet robb, who swears up and down that he doesn't "hate my God", would love nothing more than to keep that from happening. robb and his mocking "jebus", telling everyone he doesn't mock God, but mocks me.

liar

the guy refuses to even have the character to spell HIS name correctly.
"jebus" is used by atheistic nation to quell the thought that if they don't spell HIS name right, they "think" it strips HIM of who he really was.

what person refuses to spell an historical figure just because "they" don't like what that person claimed to be? a deluded one

there is not ONE OTHER person in history that it happens to.

THAT-ought-to-tell-you the level of hatred for that name "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:16 AM:
" EGO "

take note, it's spelled this way...

watchmEGOstraightotruth "

scout wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:50 AM:

" deblaw: the majority of child molestors and pedophiles are adult men preying on young girls. Thus, should we take away the right for all men to marry? "

scout wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Frankly, I am shocked that so many religious and conservative groups are in favor of Prop 8. Prop 8 increases government power. I do not think the government has any place in trying to influence my religious beliefs. "

scout wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:45 AM:

" What people do not realize is that Prop 8 is a threat to the freedom of religion by blurring the lines between the separation of church and state. That separation PROTECTS churches, not vice versa. If you believe the government should not impose its will on an individual's choice of religion and creed you should vote NO on Prop 8. Giving the government the constitutional right to discrimate against any group threatens all of us, no matter where we fall on the gay marriage debate. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:05 AM:

" These people are ignorant and believe the hate spewed by the prop 8 propaganda. When is it the "right thing to do" to deny your fellow Americans the same right that you have in this country?

Prisons are full of pedophiles, their rights are being infringed upon. "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:05 AM:

" So many Bible verses on how Christians should act toward others, yet you RF want to ignore God's word and attempt to emulate Jesus, by your own admission. WWJD is not biblical. Jesus had His mission here on Earth. His mission is not our mission. We are commanded to serve Him, not to be like Him.

Paul boldly proclaimed the gospel message and confronted a sin filled society, but there was not recorded a time where wanted to celebrate someone going to Hell, calling people names, saying "i win, you lose, hahaha!" Those comments and many others show the lowest level of spiritual maturity and is a misrepresentation of God's word. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:02 AM:

" Lodian:
So, you think that gay people are criminals? And do you also think that barring gay people from marrying will make them not gay anymore? Really??

I suppose the answer is yes to an extent.

Who determined that pedophiles are criminals? Society did due to their choice of perverse deviant behavior. Being gay is also deviant and perverse.


Lodian:
And do you also think that barring gay people from marrying will make them not gay anymore?

I answered this one already, does a pedophiles sexual tendencies change when they are imprisoned? NO.. They still have the behavior, they just can't act on it. "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:46 AM:

" Looks like real Freak will be standing alone.... "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:45 AM:

" The Ads the are in favor Of prop 8 are very misleading, there are NO rights lost if it does not pass, there is NOTHING to lose, my marriage with my wife is still in tact, and means the same to me as it did when we were married... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:35 AM:

" lodisafeway wrote "What about those who are voting for Proposition 8 who are doing so based upon what they believe to be the right thing to do? Where is your argument against them?"

These people are ignorant and believe the hate spewed by the prop 8 propaganda. When is it the "right thing to do" to deny your fellow Americans the same right that you have in this country? Pick a "right" that you enjoy and give it up. Make it a big one though. Hard to do huh? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:30 AM:

" deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:54 AM:

" BR.. Call it what you will... Hate, Sin, disgust... Makes no difference, just words.

If you put a pedophile in prison, does he change his sexual preference? Not, he/she just doesn't have access to it any longer... "

So, you think that gay people are criminals? And do you also think that barring gay people from marrying will make them not gay anymore? Really?? "

lodisafeway wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Sorry Billy - Proposition 8 isn't intended to cause gay people to become straight. It's simple - the majority of Californians believe that marriage should be limited to a lawful union between one man and one woman. It comes down to what they believe to be "right." Those (like you) who desire to make this a fight between people of faith and the gay community are only battling yourselves. First, you cannot win - for all of your hate-mongering, lies and distortions, you will change no one's mind to join whatever cause it is you are leading. Second, the marriage issue is not limited to "religious" people who are in favor of Proposition 8. It's interesting that you lead your charge only against those who profess their faith as the impetus for their position on this matter. What about those who are voting for Proposition 8 who are doing so based upon what they believe to be the right thing to do? Where is your argument against them?

Because you cannot "see" God does not mean that he doesn't exist. Your belittling of Him and those who believe doesn't make you appear "bigger," only pathetic. "

lodisafeway wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Those who believe that there is no "prayer" in school are grossly ignorant or simply misinformed. While no one may lead others in prayer, there are plenty of students who "pray" and for a variety of reasons during each school day. Just because there may be a limitation upon "how" people may be permitted to practice their faith in public buildings, don't think for one moment that God recognizes or "respects" these restrictions and ignores the pleas that emanate from those inside those very buildings. "

Robb wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:16 AM:

" EGO "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:54 AM:

" BR.. Call it what you will... Hate, Sin, disgust... Makes no difference, just words.

If you put a pedophile in prison, does he change his sexual preference? Not, he/she just doesn't have access to it any longer... "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:48 AM:

" ("Ask yourself, RF, are your tactics biblical, and are they effective and productive? What are the fruits of your labor? ").

i guess you don't ascribe to the whole evil/honesty thing.

i will answer your "tactics" question with a question audi, "if" most of the church is wrong, and "we" are not raptured out of here, and THEN having to face the scenario of the tribulation, do you think for a minute that YOUR version of what "should" go on in here will work or be sufficient?

maybe you should study spiritual warfare, and what Jesus and paul "did" during those SPECIFIC times.

did Jesus/paul call people harsh names and tell people the harsh truth?

and don't ever give me that garbage again that I am "acting like i am God".

i don't care if you are a brother in Christ, that was WAY out of line.

just because YOU won't fight with these guys, doesn't mean i think i am God

currently, i wouldn't want to stand shoulder to shoulder in the tribulation with you. "

real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:36 AM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:09 AM: This after your statement you want to hold daily executions Nazi style of atheists and gays").

your a liar again. i NEVER said or implied this. you lie i want gays/atheists murdered.

your just a sick piece of trash that has NO instrinsic value on this earth as a human being. your nothing more than a lying pervert, and therefore have no value to give the human race.

and YES, i CANNOT WAIT until the day that God takes YOUR trash out permanently. if i had personal knowledge somehow that YOU went to hell, i would probabaly throw a party.

how is that for honesty?

why am I the only Christian that is willing to publically admit it, God only knows. but i know this, the descriptive methodology of God ultimately dealing with YOUR lying trash exceeds my "wishes".

God has no problem talking about hell, seeing how Christ talked more about hell than prayer.

the day where ALL voices like yours is SILENCED, that day will be the best day since the beginning of time

love, real FACTS "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:34 AM:

" ... make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;

and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;

and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ask yourself, RF, are your tactics biblical, and are they effective and productive? What are the fruits of your labor? "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:28 AM:

" RF, you missed the point completely. Sin is never to be whitewashed or ignored. It should be confronted head-on. But you go way beyond that. You make personal comments, on accident or not, that demean and devalue a person. It's not B Rubin, etal, that are the enemy. We all have only one enemy, Satan. He is the cause of the vial and filth we see spewed here and the rest of the world.

We are not to emulate God or strive to be like God. We are commanded to be obedient to Him. His ways are not ours. God fulfilled His will in a variety and sometimes violent ways in the OT. That in no way gives us a license to act in the same fashion. We are commanded to do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness... As God's chosen people, we must clothe ourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patients. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Vote for hate!
Yes on 8!

eh, Deb?
Because we all know gays will cease being gay and all turn straight if 8 passes. "

deblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:12 AM:

" Hate the sin!! Vote yes on 8... "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:09 AM:

" real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:26 PM:"in hindsight, hell probably isn't good enough for what YOU deserve commensurate with the trash that so easily spills from YOU.
but i HAVE to defer to Gods wisdom on what he does with lying filth
SO BE IT "

See, now there you go again, Saint Fruitcake. Your delusions of supreme power are running away with you again, letting slip that your most sincere wish as a Christian is to torture me unspeakably - even WORSE than tortures offered by hell. You lament there is nothing worse to which you could condemn me. You curse your lack of magical powers to torture me horrifically. In your head you are positively screaming, "Crucio! AVADA CADAVRA!!"

This after your statement you want to round up gays Nazi style and throw them in prisons.

This after your statement you want to hold daily executions Nazi style of atheists and gays.

You ask if I know what you want. Well, no, but what you NEED is a guy wearing a white coat wielding a butterfly net. "

Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:28 PM:

" So, I see, obviously no ego involved...

Liar.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:35 PM:

" hey robb, you want me to provide a picture message for you because you understand them better than the spoken word? fine.

look at the hompage on lodinews.com, and in the upper right hand corner there are banner adverts that occasionally change.

wait for the "bank of stockton" ad, and take a good look at what the man is doing in the ad, THEN you will get a mental picture of what IS happening to ME when i am taking ALL of you on by MYSELF.

THAT'S what supreme strength looks like "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:28 PM:

" now i am going to deal with your lie in the other blog about this trash where you said "i didn't say that, i only repeated what you and the bible says"

lying perverted trash "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:09 AM: " Reverend Fruitcake, your endless fantasies about children, even your own children, have contaminated these blogs for months. Your type have always hidden behind some mystic, all-powerful icon which you abuse as the reason for your pederasty").

i am going to make SURE you choke on your lying perverted filth EVERY CHANCE I GET

in hindsight, hell probably isn't good enough for what YOU deserve commensurate with the trash that so easily spills from YOU.

but i HAVE to defer to Gods wisdom on what he does with lying filth

SO BE IT "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:10 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote:
" Billy: Interesting that real facts thinks he is God. ").

being straight up about you, if you couldn't lie, you would have absolutely NOTHING else to do with yourself.

some people lie because their nervous
some lie because they are desperate
some lie because they cannot defend thier position
some people lie because it becomes who they are.

lodian/billy LIE because that's who they ARE

after multiple times in these blogs for a long time AFTER i stated i wasn't someone else, or after i CORRECTED an obvious lie, what does lodian STILL do?

LIE ABOUT ME.

it's-THE-sign-the-woman-is-weak-AND-sick

what's hysterical, is lodian and billy thinking they are "handing it to me" when they are obviously lying.
laughing

this is an absolute FACT...
for two years i have been dealing with billy heinous majorus and his lying sidekick who cannot condemn ANYKIND of immorality, NOT ONE TIME did i EVER have to resort to lying about THEM.

NOT ONCE.

but there are blogs full of these two lying without a conscience, even AFTER it was pointed out that they were.

pure no conscience evil "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:59 PM:

" ("Robb wrote:
you actually want us here to believe that you have no EGO, yea ok.... and jebus talks to you...... ").

like i am going to look to someone like you for validation purposes?

your in delusion land

outside of Christ, the ONLY people i can count on being a barometer of life are men and women who DON'T lie.
that alone eliminates you straight away before you can inflict your lying hallmark card life.

no i don't have an ego. i possess supreme confidence. the kind that a man SHOULD possess if he really knows and follows God.

your just used to pushing Christians around without challenge, and can't stand it that one hands you your intellectual and spiritual "lunch".

"jebus" (your words). that's atheist speak. atheist speak because "they" are moronic enough to "think" that if "they" purposefully change the spelling, that suddenly JESUS isn't God anymore.

baWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAha ha

the purposeful misspelling of an historical figure demonstrates AGAIN why I have supreme strength, and why your in the weakest position in life a man could be - mocking God, and knowing full well you are "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:42 PM:

" this is one such "situation".

what makes it THAT kind of a situation, is the level of UNrelenting evil that is put forth here, coupled with what's going on CURRENTLY in this world.

if-you-don't-see-the-assault-on-Gods-truth-like-never-before, i-do-not-know-what-to-tell-you.

yes God predicted it. yes God will ultimately triumph over it AFTER "it" prevails for a time, but if YOU believe our position as Christians is just to be "loving" toward evil until that happens, then YOU are the one that needs to read up on how God handled presented evil, and it wasn't "pretty".

read ecclesiastes and tell me at this time in history, what i do in here is not right.

this stuff you witness in here by "them", this isn't NOTHING compared to whats coming down the pike audi. if you want to ascribe to the "loving only", and sit there as evil bulldozes truth, you go ahead.

if your not comfortable dealing with evil in the harsh way it deserves, fine.

i am more than happy to do it

it's only going to get worse. by "worse" i mean "they" will murder Christians. repeated (but predicted) HISTORY "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:32 PM:

" ("Audi 5000 wrote : RF: God calls who He wills, and loud arguments don't outsmart God's plan. The results are predestined by Him, we need to speak the truth, and not pick fights. Study more completely what the Bible clearly says our mission here on Earth is, and what it isn't. ").

audi, i TOTALLY understand your "predestined" arguement, and i am totally in agreement about that.

as to "picking fights", i don't pick them, but i finish them.

for the casual observer (and most Christians), i seem way too harsh for a Christian in the way i deal with the no conscience "ain'ts". but what some people fail to realize is these people that i AM deling harshly with are not "seekers", they are willful destroyers of Gods authority over man.

you witness the purposeful unrelenting lies these people spew, and although "predestination" is a factor, so is the defense against the onslaught of truth.

you know just as well as i do that both Christ AND paul called people what they were, and "handed it to them" ONLY when the situation called for it.

-------------> con't "

Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:44 PM:

" There it is!! you are caught!!
Enough is enough, after all the rants and raves, you actually want us here to believe that you have no EGO, yea ok.... and jebus talks to you...... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Billy: Interesting that real facts thinks he is God. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:40 PM:

" real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:29 PM: [...snip...](3)i never got in many fights. i was always too God with my "communication skills" for people to challenge me further"

Hmm... Really?
You were always too God, were you? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:35 PM:

" Audi 5000 wrote "I've called RF on the issue of personally belittling others and wasting time with those who merely wish to start a fight. Somehow RF sees himself as Jesus and not a follower of Jesus. Followers are commanded to speak the truth in love. RF's guilty of an arrogant and prideful attitude that he himself condemns others for. RF's behavior can not be supported and is neither effective to lost souls nor pleasing in God's eyes."

I agree. "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:15 PM:

" RF: God calls who He wills, and loud arguments don't outsmart God's plan. The results are predestined by Him, we need to speak the truth, and not pick fights. Study more completely what the Bible clearly says our mission here on Earth is, and what it isn't. "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:08 PM:

" Lodian: NO! I am a believer and follower of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, the final authority in my life is the word of God, the Bible. That is why I support prop. 8 because the Bible clearly defines marriage, as created by God. It's not a human institution, it originated with God.

Also as a Christian, I accurately speak and defend the truth of the Bible with love and respect to others, as demanded by God. I have never, to the best of my ability, resorted to name calling, etc., always clearly calling sin - sin, and the consequences of unconfessed sin in a person's life (eternal death in Hell).

I've called RF on the issue of personally belittling others and wasting time with those who merely wish to start a fight. Somehow RF sees himself as Jesus and not a follower of Jesus. Followers are commanded to speak the truth in love. RF's guilty of an arrogant and prideful attitude that he himself condemns others for. RF's behavior can not be supported and is neither effective to lost souls nor pleasing in God's eyes. "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:45 PM: " Children should not be sexual playthings for adult religious extremists no matter how badly Reverend Fruitcake desires it").

this one is a good. this highlights the "warm and fuzzy" aspects of homosexuality.

lodian and robb want MORE of this in our society.

this just makes me want to go out and embrace homosexuality as "normal"

baHHHHHHHHAWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:56 AM:

" my friend billy, do you have anything more to tell us on your way to making homosexuality appear "normal". what about some stories about gays being "loving"? where are those?

that last one was sick, but i know that you have "more to give".

your not going to like this, but i HAVE to say it billy because it is the truth, and it is an accurate barometer of how sick your CHOICES are in comparison to the current condition of the world....

even jerry springer would be REPULSED by you

nuf said "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:52 AM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:45 AM: Audi; but I'm afraid nothing in my past will justify or excuse Reverend Fruitcake's child-fantasies if that is your hope").

well, that's true - in that whatever immorality truck ran over you in your past, has NOTHING to do with you CHOOSING to be an immoral filthy pervert NOW.

"Reverend Fruitcake's child-fantasies"
you know, any "normal" person when confronted with the LOWEST common denomiHATER in life, coupled with a big heads up that you are killing any chance of homosexuality appearing "normal", would have at least checked it before he wrecked it.

not billy. ....his sick perversion just keeps on a rollin.

there isn't a person in here that knows i even remotely think that, yet billy in his DESPERATION NATION to "get me", decides that it isn't even a problem to "go there".

billy is as sick as it gets. we all know that, THANKS TO TRUTH. but what is even SICKER - is the "ain'ts" in here will still support him because of me.

now THAT'S as sick as life gets "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:39 AM:
"Vote NO on 8").

NO

like i said, i will take my own permanent marker to mark the box for YES

take a ride around lodi lodian, and soak in the amount of "YES" vs "no" banners on prop 8.

at least in lodi history has spoken again, billy is a pervert

how come those YES banners don't have billy on them with devil horns? seems that would incite people to VOTE YES rather than the "family icon"

baHAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAchumba rumba "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:34 AM:

" ("Mainframe wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:12 AM: real facts: i'm curious what do you think about michael moore? ").

i don't have alot of knowledge about all of his stances in life, especially on whether or not he factors God into his equations, but what little i do know of him that i DO like is that he is a man that thinks outside the box and IS willing to challenge the status quo.

that being said, i have reservation about totally high fiving him across the board because i am not entirely aquainted with what he intimately believes.

would YOU like to comment on moore, seeing how you had asked me about him? "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:29 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:11 AM:
" I am waiting to hear about YOUR EGO... ").

don't have one.

you confuse supreme confidence with arrogance or ego.

if a HAD an ego, when i created the "scoreboard" to show "who" is winning in here, i would have put "me" instead of "truth" on "whom" was winning in here.

the SCORE still stands...
TRUTH 5 , "ain'ts" bupkiss "

real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:25 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:16 AM:

So he talks to you? ").

of course he does. why wouldn't HE?

HE is real remember?

as if it is impossible for God to talk to those who LISTEN to HIM.

"Jesus said my sheep hear my voice"
etc etc etc etc etc... "

Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:16 AM:

" he IS pleased with me that i won't let you get away with it..

So he talks to you? "

Robb wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:11 AM:

" I am waiting to hear about YOUR EGO... "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Further to yours, Audi:

I don't hide.

The only reason I remain anonymous here is the certainty of religious reprisals and retribution. I don't need to have my teeth sanctimoniously kicked out or to have my home piously burned like a flaming cross. There are none quite so righteous as the religious self-righteous. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:45 AM:

" I'll gladly answer any reasonable question, Audi; but I'm afraid nothing in my past will justify or excuse Reverend Fruitcake's child-fantasies if that is your hope. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:39 AM:

" ..........

Vote NO on 8

.......... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Ms Hadden: Yours is just another letter filled with ridiculous commentary as to why the United States should deny the rights of some of it's law abiding adult citizens. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Audi 5000: Are you a real facts supporter? "

Audi 5000 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:56 AM:

" B Rubin, What facade are you hiding behind? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:09 AM:

" Reverend Fruitcake, your endless fantasies about children, even your own children, have contaminated these blogs for months. Your type have always hidden behind some mystic, all-powerful icon which you abuse as the reason for your pederasty. "God made me do it" you yell. "God WANTS me to!" you bleat.

We must, as a society, stop religious child abuse and this means YOU Reverend.

And, as to your post asking me if I know what you want, Yes, sadly I DO know what you want. You want it so badly you continue to hurt innocent others to get it - and you expect all of your predatory misdeeds to be excused by your imaginary idol. "

Mainframe wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:12 AM:

" real facts: i'm curious what do you think about michael moore? "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:46 PM:

" you know what i want billy?

i DO NOT want you to be silent. quite the opposite.

i want you to continue being "billy", so that the whole world can see that they were right for all of history.

that immoral behavior rots a mans soul

any other "gems" for us tonight, or are you too "busy"? "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:43 PM:

" "(Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:00 PM: " Reverend Fruitcake, I am not surprised you oppose me in my effort to stop religious child predation. In your own religious fanatasism you are able to rationalize even the defilement of children in the name of your false idol. ").

dearest purveYOUR of all things defiled by man, you and i WOULD have been in agreement about "Child predation", until you purposefully LIED and TWISTED my words to make it look like i favored having sex with children.

your just a sick perverted human being, and there is nothing you can lie about me that won't make that true about you.

in your wishful thinking heinous' ego, all you ever do in here is UNDERLINE the FACT that homosexuality IS perverted. THANK YOU

perverting everything you come across isn't exactly the way you get "normal people" to think homosexuality is "normal", so thanks for making me right AGAIN.

any other gems of homosexuality we can expect from you?

do you and bob do the "smoochy smoochy" over his "fruit" faux pas?. "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:30 PM:
" answer me.. coward... ").

cowards are those that hide behind lies.
that would describe YOU, not me.

i take you gems of humanity on all by me-self.

what happened to the "nice guy" act?

now all of sudden you can't control your multiple personality out of order?

your an embarrassment to wuss international. please return your membership card before they post your picture on wussesamongus.com "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:29 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:29 PM:
(1) " I have never said hurtful things about your god...

(2) he is NOT happy with you and your treatment of others...

(3)I am sure you got beat up allot as a kid.. "
****************************************
(1) that's a lie, YOU mocked him. if only there was enough room to post what God says about those that mock him.

your "nice guy act" is a crock.

(2) your wrong again. because YOU GUYS start this garbage about God and sin, he IS plaesed with me that i won't let you get away with it, by having enough guts to tell the harsh truth about you.

if only i was the Christian you were used to wiping your feet upon...

(3)i never got in many fights. i was always too God with my "communication skills" for people to challenge me further

anything else i can clear up for you? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:00 PM:

" Reverend Fruitcake, I am not surprised you oppose me in my effort to stop religious child predation. In your own religious fanatasism you are able to rationalize even the defilement of children in the name of your false idol. "

Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:30 PM:

" answer me.. coward... "

Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:29 PM:

" baHAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA " "

Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:29 PM:

" I have never said hurtful things about your god...

I just said you LIED about him,
I am sure that IF there was a god, he is NOT happy with you and your treatment of others... I am sure you got beat up allot as a kid.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:41 PM:

" homosexuality is "loving"

baHAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:40 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote: " Children should not be sexual playthings for adult religious extremists no matter how badly Reverend Fruitcake desires it").

well there you go, another fine example of why homosexuality is "normal" by the gay rights "champion" of the LNS blogs

once again ladies and gentleman, billy demonstrates "why" we should support gays in their plight to be "accepted".

afterall, it's "normal", and there is NOTHING out of line for this kind of behavior.

billy is right, what WERE we thinking as a collective human race that for the past 6,000 years "we" stated homosexuality was "perverse"?. our bad.

no-way. it's-normal. it's-wholesome-and-pure. loving-even

THANK YOU billy for continuing to demonstrate WHY homosexuality IS a PERVERSION, seeing how your FIRST MOVE is to PERVERT what ever you touch.

with your last PERVERTED comment, you just sent homosexuality "acceptance" back where it belongs......in the TRASH PILE

what i continue to marvel at, but FULLY expect, is even though you went as low as humanly possible on the sexual molestation subject, NO ONE will say a thing to you.

THAT tells the true story in here... "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:28 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:53 AM:
I am married, this IN NO WAY changes that, I am sooo sorry you are threatened by this. ").

not for a gem of a human being such as yourself.

for you, it will be "par for your course", but you will be DISQUALIFIED at the "end of the game" for signing an INCORRECT SCORECARD.

the true scorecard of your life that you are passing down to YOUR children (if you didn't lie when you said you had "6 kids"), is that while your ego thinks it's big enough to chase me around, you say NOTHING while billy speaks DIRECTLY about the perversion of children sexually.

THE most debased bottom feeding sewer dwelling aspects of life, and you say NOTHING about it.

that ALONE tells the WHOLE story of what your about.

go ahead. you can lie all you want about "who you are", and what your intent is in life, while i keep shaking my head at the possibility of you telling the truth for the first time in these blogs, that you have "6 kids".

GOD HELP THEM "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:19 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:53 AM:
HEAR THIS, they will begin stripping civil liberties here, next it will be you..").

what a loser.

in your small mind you "think" even if that DID happen, that the historical truth's of God are suddenly wiped out and silent?

you can kill all the Christians in the world, and Jesus Christ would still be God. THAT'S why i ACCUREATELY STATED ......"there is STILL prayer in schools"


there is not one thing you can do to lie about history and "make it go away".
sorry robb. there is NOTHING you can do to make God "go away".

making "civil liberties go away" falls under the category that you DO "hate God".

only a liar attempts this garbage, and only a moron thinks he can.

congradulations on your "accomplishments" robb, you have just given yourself over to THE most futile "job" a man can pick, aside from being billy rubin, and selling the notion that homosexuality is "normal".

you two are the dictionary definition of wishful thinking moronology 101 "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:07 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:45 PM: " Children should not be sexual playthings for adult religious extremists no matter how badly Reverend Fruitcake desires it").

"desires it"? your a sick human being

like i said billy, your EXACTLY WHY homosexuality is a sick perversion that YOU would LIE and state i "desire it".

like i said x2, i "used" to wonder why God created hell, thinking the punishment contained therein was "too extreme". not anymore, and all because of you.

because as sick of an evil pervert that you are, i HIGH FIVE God in his infinite wisdom that he would have enough forethought to give evil like yours it's proper "due". making you PAY for ALL the evil you spread ON PURPOSE. that will be a great day.

now the question is.....i wonder if you will be thinking of our little "conversations" while you are SCREAMING for it to stop, only it CAN'T, because you will have EARNED IT.

laugh it up now billy. eternity is a long time to suffer from the con-sex-uences of you CHOOSING to pervert EVERYTHING you touch "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:51 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:55 AM:
" I do not hate your "god", I just question his reality. ").

people that have pure motive, while searching and questioning "his reality" don't act like a trolling fissure looking to DESTROY the faith of others EVERY CHANCE they get.

YOU DO

look at your post below where you lie "I do not hate your "god".

in THAT post, you said "THANK ME there is no prayer in schools". the ONLY person that makes that kind of a statement is a person looking for the DESTRUCTION of God EVERY CHANCE he gets.

with as much as YOU mock God via extracting things God has said about HIMSELF, and turning it into your own "quips" about YOURSELF, then you lie that you "didn't" diss 90% of the people in these blogs by inadvertantly calling them stupid because THEY believe in God. ......once again, you lie about your intent in here.

trouble is, your an obvious liar "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:45 PM:

" Children should not be sexual playthings for adult religious extremists no matter how badly Reverend Fruitcake desires it. Pederasty, biblical or otherwise, is illegal in this country - just say no to religious sex predators.

Those who constantly use the bible to defend their child abuse must be stopped. "

Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:55 AM:

" I do not hate your "god", I just question his reality. "

Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:53 AM:

" RF is a liar,. thank me that there is NO formal prayer in public schools..

HEAR THIS, they will begin stripping civil liberties here, next it will be you..

I am married, this IN NO WAY changes that, I am sooo sorry you are threatened by this. "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:54 AM:

" ("Robb wrote:
" Vote No against this attack on OUR civil rights....

Thank "god" there is no prayer in school!!! ").

"OUR civil rights"? are you now admitting you lied about being married and having "6 kids"? are you now claiming YOUR a homosexual? or am i just reading that into "OUR"?

"civil rights"
give me your address so i can send you a THANK YOU card for when your version of "civil rights" fleshes out - LITERALLY.

unless you ALSO approve of CHILDREN being sexual playthings by adults under the auspices of "civil rights", a SANE person who doesn't hate God (like robb does) would vote YES on prop 8.

it's about time this liberal anything goes gets stopped in it's tracks, before there is no morality.

guess what robb the God mocker, there still IS prayer in PUBLIC schools, much as YOUR God-hating soul would like to rip out of every "believing" human being.

what cracks me up is you and voter cracking on the "extremists" of religion, when YOU TWO are extremists in here of ejecting God out of EVERYTHING.

not while i am around "

real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:39 AM:

" ("voter wrote:
" Carolyn Hadden and her ilk scare me. She apparently believes that her God blesses some countries and not others. God takes sides").

of course "we" do, because "we" are a reminder that YOU play on the wrong side of the tracks.

your-position(s) voter-are-easy-to-shoot-holes-into-with-a-water-pistol.

if there is a God, of course he would have "favorites", and reward ONLY those that collectively serve him, thus the picking and choosing of "who" God blesses, and "who" he takes to task on "who" talks smack about him.

what's insidious about your whining and crying is YOU thinking that YOU can constantly talk smack about God, but if he is real, that YOU think he owes YOU the same accoutrements that he will do for those that ARE obedient to HIM.

if you own a business and you have employee's, you will ONLY reward those that ARE on time and ARE productive.

the people that show up late, do the bare minimum, and talk smack about the BOSS "may" get a warning. then, they get FIRED.

REWARDS go to the obedient. in EVERY arena of life "

voter wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:14 PM:

" Carolyn Hadden and her ilk scare me. She apparently believes that her God blesses some countries and not others. God takes sides. This is the thinking that allows fanatics to victimize people (and indeed, whole countries in war) and feel they are doing "God's work". Also, she erroneously believes that gangs, child abuse, co-habitation, etc. are modern inventions. Wow. "

Robb wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:55 PM:

" Vote No against this attack on OUR civil rights....

Thank "god" there is no prayer in school!!! "

real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:57 PM:

" i forgot to mention when it comes time to vote YES on prop 8, i won't be using a pencil.

i will bring along my own "permanent marker" "

real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:53 PM:

" not quite billy the reigning heinous.

what it is, is ALL of history shouting that what you CHOOSE to do is nothing more than perversion.

for ALL of history billy, homosexuality has been a sick practice.

so when your "choice" is finished, you will ONLY have yourself to blame, and you won't be a "victim"

finally, the world standing up saying enough is enough, and calling it what it is - perversion majorus amongus "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Another vote for religious hate. "

parishioner wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:14 AM:

" vote yes on 8! "

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