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Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:12 AM PDT
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are Constitutional rights that Proposition 8 preserves.
Without Prop. 8, those who seek to reconfigure the traditional definition of marriage will have free reign to limit the rights of anyone who speaks or conducts business with the view that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
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Lodian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:00 AM:
There are many Americans that have personal Christian beliefs of their own, but will VOTE NO ON PROP 8.
No one religion should DICTATE whom should receive equal rights in this country. Who will be the next American to be discriminated against? And then what will WE THE PEOPLE be allowed to dictate when it comes to what all churches are allowed to preach? The constitution was not created to be discriminatory. Do not add discrimination to the constitution.
NO AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION.
KEEP SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
NO DISCRIMINATION.
***** VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8 ***** "
Robb wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:49 PM:
Which One real freak??
Islam
Secular
Nonreligious
Agnostic
Atheist
Hinduism
Chinese traditional
Buddhism
primal-indigenous
African Traditional & Diasporic
Sikhism
Juche
Spiritism
Judaism
Baha'i
Jainism
Shinto
Cao Dai
Zoroastrianism
Tenrikyo
Neo-Paganism
Unitarian-Universalism
Rastafarianism
Scientology "
richnlife wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:10 PM:
The truth is not the truth according to God in a situation in Governing the people. You speak of the truth as your main source yet can you prove God exists? would your arguments stand in a court of law? or is this just the truth according to you. "
steve wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:09 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 1:17 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:13 PM:
Thank GOD we are a country that continues to strive for equal rights for all the citizens in the United States of America. "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:05 PM:
for anybody to claim that "personal feelings" and "rights" come before morality in the name of freedom, that is merely a cloak of impending doom.
"freedom and "rights" ARE what has made this country a great nation, but now SELF SERVING ABUSERS of those premises are slowly strangling this nation thru the allowance of aspects that lend itself to destruction.
read about or google it, but EVERY society that engaged in immoral behavior such as people in here are looking to "legitimize".... has FALLEN.
EVERYONE of them
you NEVER trade "rights" for eventual destruction.
the "lodians" of the world are more than happy to make that trade "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:57 AM:
"If any one religion were to be allowed to dictate, over all others, what the entire state and country are to believe who knows which religion would win out.
It's a privilege to be able to have equal rights in this country and to be able to CHOOSE my religion all on my own. ").
"which one would win out"? i dunno, maybe the ONLY ONE that counts, the only one that IS the truth. more "ain't" theolo-gee from you lodian, always claiming one thing but picking the opposite of your claims.
with the solidarity examples you pick for yourself that include those who hate Christ and religion, even you don't know what you adhere to.
you lodian suffer from an "anywaythewindblows" methodology of picking truth, and given that fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a person like that to wind up at the feet of the one true God
WWJD? one things for sure, HE would emphatically vote YES on prop 8, because he HIMSELF spoke out AGAINST immorality.
since-Jesus-Christ-claimed-to-be-God, and raised HIMSELF from the dead, HIS vote is the one that counts. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:06 AM:
begsbelief wrote "People will not always agree on beliefs that goes for just about anything in life. But the freedom to have our beliefs and speak about them is very important. Even if they are wrong."
Yes, even if they're wrong. LOL! "
begsbelief wrote on Oct 27, 2008 3:24 AM:
" Valrie Jensen (Galt): YOUR "yes" vote on Prop. 8 is a vote to deny the rights of your fellow Americans. I wonder what rights others may choose to deny YOU next time around. Separation of church and state! "]
What are rights if those rights are dictated?
Freedom of speech and the right to choose what to belief and to speak those things are important. Gag one and eventually you will gag them all.
People will not always agree on beliefs that goes for just about anything in life. But the freedom to have our beliefs and speak about them is very important. Even if they are wrong. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 1:23 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:58 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:51 AM:
he still has that "billy boat anchor" tied to his leg. i could tell because his usual "chug-a-LUG" was motoring with less fervor.
voter was wise getting out of dodge in here, after his billy the human toilet solidarity moment when he said billy was "sane".
being the man of my word that i am, even though voter is "over there", i will make sure he drags that boat anchor around for a long long time.
game players. making sure game players pay for playing games......it's but one of the things i do in here "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:42 AM:
WWJD ").
boring. your latest attempt at discrediting me is, well, boring.
first of all, i NEVER said i was "more Christian", or whatever lie your selling now in your latest merry-go-round.
all i ever have done is picked the truths of God over anything and everybody.
made myself quite "unpopular" in here by doing so. in screaming contrast, EVERY chance you have had lodian to pick God you picked AGENDA/PEOPLE, and that AFTER claiming you were a Christian.
so the accurate statement biblically would be "beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, who inside are ravening wolves, willing to devour the sheep"
(that would be YOU).
"WWJD"? Jesus would pick the truths of God over EVERTHING.
YOU-DON'T (and you sure are a glutton for "integrity punishment)
it was interesting watching richnlife take me to task, but "forgetting" that "you people" lie to the hills daily about me, and perpetuHATE this garbage. "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:28 AM:
your right, you DON'T answer to me. but "if" i acurately replicated truths FROM God, and you walk away FROM them, that's on you.
interesting now that you have "turnedcoat" on what the bible "is", after YOU just got done referring to it for "your authority" on YOUR position.
game players. wrapped in all shapes and sizes.
the bible WAS written by God - thru man.
that's easily provable ....thru history, science, archaelogy and thru EYEWITNESS testimony by those in OPPOSITION to Christ.....anytime you want to come back in here and not play games, you know where you can find me.
knowledge NEVER trumps relationship, but knowledge leads to truth, and a truth seeker will adjust to it, not walk away from it, RESULTING in a "relationship" "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:18 AM:
that's your projection for purposes of dismissing the truths i made.
i am not "more Christian" than any other.
what i am though as far as me personally, and as far as my integrity goes, is i AM a man that puts the truths of God FIRST above anybody and anything, and i am more than willing to prove that via my passion for defending it in here.
i am UNWAVERING in that mission by others. a rarity for you to witness, which my have led to your false assessment of me.
however, you did clear the path for one thing......i SHOULDN'T have to do this alone.
but i will if that's the way it is "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:13 AM:
They do not however get to choose who gets to enter into a marriage contract. Being gay is not illegal. Homosexuality is not illegal").
God sure does, as God has stated throughout the entirety of history that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman.
you don't give immoral behavior a free pass under ANY circumstances, whether or not the govt or any other agency dictates it.
cracks me up about liberals like lodian making it a "rights" issue under the guise of freedom, and the "govt's" edicts trumping Gods.
i like to see how long lodian the freedom fighter would last in a burqa under the "govts orders"
allowing immoral behavior in order to fight for your "freedom" to do/say what you want outside Gods OR societies mores.
DIS-gusting
(that lodian-burqa analogy ripped lodians position to shredded lettUS) "
real facts wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:05 AM:
interesting comment coming from someone whose first post was one using Christian scriptures AGAINST me.
a true follower of God NEVER uses the term "which one" when referring to God, as Christians know EXACTLY who God is, and true followers NEVER give place to "another".
pretty funny you are an "expert" at what the bible says, yet you don't even KNOW who God is, and have yet to assign HIM his proper designation.
whats telling about you, is your statement ....."As you can see...you're not the only person that can "quote" a bible verse".
what IS telling of that is your false tone of arrogance as if you "had me", via your "personal knowledge" of scripture, when all you did was copy and paste it from some site that employs "silencing" tactics against Christians.
see, this is where my "expertise" comes in, when i get right to it to uncover the intent/agenda
i just happen to be good at it, as-all people-that-protect-truth-should-be "
Lodian wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:00 AM:
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:51 PM:
I am actually saddend by your attempt to point out how much more christian you are than others.
So with that i send you my prayors,
God bless "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:51 PM:
However he fights for silencing these same rights of others").
i would suggest for your benefit, and the flow of this conversation that you would stick to UNBIASED facts, because i am one who does not put up with people who are inclined toward NOT telling the WHOLE truth.
had you told the WHOLE truth, you would have accurately stated that it has been the "opposition" that has been the barraging agents in this wrestling match, as "they" have for years used bullying and intimidation to clear paths for their agenda.
only-until-recently, have-Christians-begun-to-step-it-up-in-their-opposition.
"you people" are always rolling out the "hate/intolerance/judging" red herring "carpet", while YOUR the ones using THOSE tactics.
now it's a little more clear what side of the fence you play on. copying and pasting "scriptures" now only hurts your cause, as it is now apparent what "team" you play for.
seperating people from their words - it's what i do "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:40 PM:
Would God approve of your name calling and attempt to be little oddly enough another child of God?").
i tell the truth without concern of what it does, as that's Gods paygrade.
you would be surprised the strength you receive once you pick the truths of God over people and circumstances.
what did Jesus Christ call people when they were acting PURPOSEFULLY outside HIS design of them being "a child of God"? he directly said to them "your a child of the devil", and to the pharisee's he called them "vipers and snakes".
i think you should read a little more before you speak again with any 'authority' on the subject matter.
you seem to have a problem with the harsh parts OF the truth. i don't
billy rubin, lodian and robb et al, are NOT acting like they were designed.
they are PURPOSEFULLY fighting aginst God, and THAT'S evil.
you-don't-give-a-dozen-roses-to-evil "
Lodian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:39 PM:
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:38 PM:
Of course being as there are such a vast ammount of religeons, then how can we use just one as a deciding factor.
Real facts has a right to his opinion however, as well as a right to vote, a right to protest, as well as a right to marry.
However he fights for silencing these same rights of others.
Let me ask you all a question, is it not possible for a child to be born with both female and male hormones as well as bodey parts? Should we deny them the right to marry as well, since oddly enough, there would be a slight decision there as to what sexual preferance they have?
With a marraige rate of around 7.5 and a divorce rate around 3.2 would the argument that it would be an unhealthy living condition for children be relavent, even though there are many children with just one parent as it is? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:31 PM:
WWJD "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:30 PM:
you can pull your lying game in all the blogs you want, but all you will do is provide me opportunity to demonstrate by using you what peoples lives add up to that fight against God
aren't you going to lie i am now "alacante"?
lying. it's what you do because your weak "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:27 PM:
when alacante mentioned what the bible had to say about this subject matter, whats lodian the "Christian" FIRST move?
lodian said --->"seperation of church and state"
like i said, everytime without a break, she picks people/agenda over God. that's pure phony-itis
see richnlife, that's how you righteously judge anothers words/deeds for intent, so the "lodians" of the world CANNOT sell the idea to anybody that you can chuck Gods standards in favor of anything else, ESPECIALLY while calling yourself a "Christian".
that act, is the most reprehensible/evil of all, and one i have ardently been defending against in here for a L O N G time, and WILL for a L O N G E R time to come.
(and mostly by myself) "
Lodian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:23 PM:
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:22 PM:
Would God approve of your name calling and attempt to be little oddly enough another child of God?
apparently you know your bible backwards and forwards, and you seem to take it litteraly as using it as your "sword" for you strike down more people with it than you turn twords God.
Oddly enough it is people like you who claim to know the truth ACCORDING TO YOU, that fill this world with more hate than love. "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:16 PM:
then you are going to have to explain the hundreds of years of history where God specifically called HIS people to do exactly that.
maybe your unfamiliar with spiritual warfare, and the tactics of the enemy, vs the responsibility of the responders TO that evil.
you don't sit there and watch it happen, you bring opposition to it so that SOMEONE who is on the fence about these issues might actually give pause.
i don't "war" against the 'ain'ts' in here, because they are willful no conscience evil trolls bent on destroying the faith of others.
i "war" against them to send the message to others about the consequences of choosing anything OTHER than Gods laws/standards, and i USE the "ain'ts" to accomplish that goal, while also emboldening the faith of those that DO believe, and that they too can be strong in their convictions/faith.
first move - be tolerant and respectful.
but if it's war, it's war,....and "war" is ugly "
Lodian wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:13 PM:
"A marriage is between a man and a woman. Read the bible. Unless you don't beleive in it, like that Arab Obama. "
Alacante: Prop 8 doesn't have anything to do with your religion or the Bible. The Cal constitution will not be amended in order to deny your fellow Americans their equal rights. Read the law.
Separation of church and state.
Proposition 8 is about denying equal rights.
NO ON PROP 8
... "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:06 PM:
" Wow real facts, you're brutal! ").
depends on what side of the fence you are on when stuff like this is going down.
the truth IS brutal at times, but ONLY if you incessantly play on the WRONG side of the fence.
Christians with the attitude that no one will redefine truth, by actually being willing to tell the truth without worrying about reprisals, are almost extinct.
you want evidence of that? no problem.
look at this blog. how many Christians do you see contending for the truths of God, and how many "others" by comparison.
with the stakes so high, aand what Christ has PERSONALLY done for them, you would think there would be "some" opposition to the onslaught ON the truth.
mostly, Christians are either lulled to sleep thinking they can't stand up to these people because OF the false accusations of being "unloving" and "intolerant", but Christ was NEVER tolerant of evil, and ALWAYS dealt with it when he was confronted with it, including calling it waht it was.
HE never "let it slide" "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:55 PM:
that being said, given the amount of people that have lined up in these boards with their attempts to silence my voice/influence, i find it rather "odd" that the first thing you come at me with is the "judging" issue, when we are SUPPOSED to judge one another FOR accountability purposes.
ONLY God can make judgements that pertain to eternal matters. but matters that pertain to truth and Gods authority, we as Christians are NOT supposed to sit on the couch and watch "them" dictate truth.
so, i-find-it-interesting-as-well, that-you-referred-to-the-book-of-judges-for-the-basis-of-your-arguement.
the book of "judges" is aptly named, and that should have been your first clue. your second would have been "had" you read the WHOLE chapter/book.
i have this habit of knowing quickly what peoples intentions really are "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:43 PM:
you can quote a bible verse all right, but it takes a person who actually reads the ENTIRE context of the verses you quoted, for which to make a case "for or against" judging.
billy rubin quoted scripture, does that make what he said "gospel"?
unfortunately your either ignorant of what the bible DOES say about judging, or you are like the "many" who use that scripture(s) out of context on purpose to silence people for who you disagree with.
had you read the REST of those "judgement" scriptures, especially the detailed version in matt 7, you would have noticed that God asks us TO judge, but to judge righteously by being willing to live up TO the SAME judgement for which you are administering.
YOU make judgements on people EVERYDAY, and you have to in order to make informed decision, and for purposes of accountability.
even your Judges 11:27 reference is flawed, because it was "for that incidence specific".
had-you-read-the-rest-of-"JUDGES", you-would-have-read-the-outcome-of-the-ammorites-at-the-hands-OF-the-israelites "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:30 PM:
passion and intensity ISN'T a "proof" of the truth, as truth is either "true" or it isn't, irregardless on who is giving it, and the persons opinion of it that is witnessing it.
like i said, if what i say IS true, then your responsibity IS to adjust to it, or you can make excuses for it.
i happen to be a person that will go to whatever length i need to, to defend the truths of God, truths BTW that are fully provable and searchable, especially a person armed with a computer who now has verifible HISTORY right at their fingertips.
i wish i had a dollar for everytime i made an absolutely 100% verifiably accurate historically recorded statement, only to be lied about "no you didn't"
it's easy. you can always VERIFY what i say is the truth or not. but if a person attempts to lie about it instead of debating it, i won't let that slide "
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:26 PM:
Again becuase someone states their opinion, though it may be against Christianity, you still have no right to judge and respond to a war with a war.
Be the person who takes the higher road, and turn the other cheek, because if we don't then we are no better than the people arguing against us.
thank you timothy i appreciate your post "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:21 PM:
it-would-be-nice-if-i-encountered-somebody-who-would-actually-"debate".
"they" throw stones first
instead, what you see is the circus result of me having to take the 'ain'ts' to task for NOT debating, and instead lying about God, history and me.
i got a little sick and tired watching non believers bully Christians into a corner thru intimidation, and i VOWED that would not happen in here, hence my eLONGated posts, making sure it DOESN'T happen.
i just got done watching the new ben stein movie about darwinian professors/chancellors in universities blackballing other professors for "suggesting" intelligent design. the professors that suggested ID where completely rediculed, fired and blackballed all because people were afraid of the debate.
the movie was excellant, but the most poignent "point" that was made was, "what is everyone afraid of? follow the evidence and let the evidence "DECIDE".
i may be long winded because if you notice it is one man against the many, and i ANSWER them all.
at times, i will give the truths of God "softly", most of the time because of THEIR barrages, not so "softly" "
Alacante wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:08 PM:
begsbelief wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:13 PM:
actually, if someone wants to act outside their design and live up to the consequences if there is any, i could care less.
the ONLY reason i make sure people see the real "billy", is because billy is an evil little troll bent on destroying the faith of others. billy for two years has been nothing BUT a lying little trouble maker looking for a fight.
when people act respectful, i don't care what they are into, because someday they will own their choices 9as will i), but when someone thinks they can bully Christians all over the planet, it's on, and THAT'S why i bring it to billy's doorstep.
he has more than earned it.
just-wait-until-he-tells-YOU-to-"go-have-sex-with-your-daughter", and-it's-only-about-the-"differences"-of-beliefs "]
I thought we were supposed to be discussing >>>'Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are Constitutional rights that Proposition 8 preserves.'>>>
Stop worrying and enjoy commenting.
God will take care of Billy.
Hello Billy please stop winding him up. "
Robb wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:59 AM:
Timothy wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:38 AM:
"Leave the judgement up to God. If it truly is a sin then God will punish the sinners, not us. " "
95242 wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:50 AM:
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:38 AM:
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:28 AM:
^^YOU SAID BEING THE RIGHTEOUS CHRISTIAN YOU ARE...HOWEVER\/\/
LUKE 7:2 -or in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you-
\/\/BUT YOU CONTINUE ON WITH...\/\/
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:25 PM:" ohhh billy took offense at the "human toilet" reference..." "....gotta go do something that billy the human toilet doesn't relate to, because OF his black heart, but i will be back to embarras billy in his "homosexual sex is normal" game.
gee, i think the human toilet thing got to him so bad he is no foregoing making money between sets at the noodle tonight to deal with me.
poor billy. perversion causes insanity "
^^AND YET STILL NO CLUE\/\/
LUKE 6:37 -Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. "
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:57 AM:
richnlife wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:46 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:47 AM:
" In my experience it is usually the people that feel they have to constantly tell others YELLING FROM THE ROOFTOPS how Christian they are (and how others are not), and how their deeds are that of a Christian, that are usually the least Christian among us. ").
the complete difference in "who is" and "who isn't" is in the consistency of posture and stance when picking GOD over anything and anybody. something you have FAILED to do the whole time you have been in here, WHILE claiming your a "Christian".
lodian, you pick God-haters over anything of Christian influence or teaching. you do it EVERYTIME
in 1john it emphatically states (paraphrased), that if you find a person that lies that has no conscience about it and is totally unwilling to repent of it, without question that person is an 'ain't'.
that day when you stepped over the line and claimed you were, that was the day i upped the ante with you, so that you can't sell the idea you can shuck Gods standards, and "still" call yourself a "follower" of Christ......that's-what-i-protect-against-in-here " "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:44 AM:
the weight of that "boat anchor" coupled with the stench attached might have been too much for voter.
well, that's good. serves him right for picking a human toilet as the "benchmark" in life for sanity.
step up robb. i need to "tie one on you as well, considering your billy approval ratings. don't be afraid, i need to prove to you i am no "coward" "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:34 AM:
" RF, you are a mean spirited COWARD").
but billy is not? laughing. what an obvious moron
i guess in your world, you LOVE human toilet perversion such as the suggestion BY BILLY that i "should go have sex with my daughter", or "i should have sex with the boy at the fast food place".
you KNOW billy lies incessantly and on purpose, yet you APPROVE of it
now i see fully how YOU measure stuff up in life, and it makes truth sick.
remember this when your adding up the real truths about life, your human toilet partner in crime billy rubin STARTED all this garbage in here, and continues to, yet you have never ONCE said anything to him.
which brings me back to the truth, YOU love and approve of the most vile aspects of life, and that makes you the OPPOSITE of your rediculous hallmark act in here "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:24 AM:
which one are you lying about this time?
billy, i noticed the time stamp. slow night at the noodle? is the economy taking a toll on your "business", and you were unable to pass along the gift that keeps on giving to as many as you had hoped for tonight?
my sympathies if you didn't reach your "quota".
what happened to that "model quality looks" you said you had? you know, everyday you get older, you become "less desirable" in the homosexual world, and maybe just maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the economy at all.
just a thought i had "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:18 AM:
" Then your god is a lie ").
nope, wrong as usual
God CANNOT lie, and thousands of years of FULFILLED prophecy actually proves YOUR the liar.
but we have already established that a L O N G time ago, after reposting WHERE you lied.
shoot, two of your posts ago you lied again when you said "i debated you, and you dropped the ball". laughing
the proof is in you NOT reposting where i "did".
what's really sad to watch about your delirium, is that EVERYTHING i have ever said is posted in here, and you STILL can't come up with your lie about what you "did".
it's ok, lodian and billy have pulled that same garbage in here over and over. it's what "you people" do
lying shows your a weak man robb "
real facts wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:06 AM:
" RF, you are a mean spirited COWARD, I debated you and YOU dropped the ball, From this day forward, I have no further plans to debate you, I will be here to keep you honest and show you as the LIAR you are... ").
go ahead. laughing
"I debated you". laughing. where was that, in your imagination maybe?
i would LOVE to see you post time and date stamp to PROVE you did, otherwise your a nanny nanny boo boo liar (and of course you have stated COUNTLESS times "i NEVER lie") what a loon
i got to thinking today, BEFORE i even saw this post, that in over two years of dealing with the busload of hit and run game players, and the longevity lying crowd, that you robb take the top prize of flat out being the most bizzare person i have ever encountered in here.
in your twisted upside down world, your going to spin that in your deluded head as some sort of compliment.
trust-me-robb, it-is-NOT-a-compliment.
i do understand why you "won't debate me", because you CAN'T.
you-never-had-the-goods-to-begin-with "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:55 PM:
The main theme seems to be about keeping freedom of speech. We all have the right to our beliefs. If Billy believes it is right for him to have sex with another man. Then why berate him for defending it? Surely, freedom of speech must be the same for everybody").
actually, if someone wants to act outside their design and live up to the consequences if there is any, i could care less.
the ONLY reason i make sure people see the real "billy", is because billy is an evil little troll bent on destroying the faith of others. billy for two years has been nothing BUT a lying little trouble maker looking for a fight.
when people act respectful, i don't care what they are into, because someday they will own their choices 9as will i), but when someone thinks they can bully Christians all over the planet, it's on, and THAT'S why i bring it to billy's doorstep.
he has more than earned it.
just-wait-until-he-tells-YOU-to-"go-have-sex-with-your-daughter", and-it's-only-about-the-"differences"-of-beliefs "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:46 PM:
what makes me "cringe" as a Christian, and why i am in here in the first place, is when people make purposefully false statements so as to "think" they are going to silence Gods authority over their life, and the rest of humanity.
first of all, if you would REALLY know and understand your "compilation" of what is "sin", then you wouldn't had made that statement in an attempt to tie it in with homosexuality.
"mixing fibers" is indicative of the various ceremonial laws designed to show man the idea that they can NEVER become righteous of their OWN accord via the "keeping" of ceremonial laws.
it was PURPOSEFULLY an impossibility, in order for God to demonstrate that only THRU God, that man has righteousness.
homosexuality-was-always-an-unchanging-MORAL-law.
the-two-laws-are-completely-different. one-is-temporary. one-is-lasting-throughout-history "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:42 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:14 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:02 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:01 PM:
begsbelief wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:33 PM:
" ohhh billy took offense at the "human toilet" reference, and now he has stepped up his lying game to all time lows. gotta go do something that billy the human toilet doesn't relate to, because OF his black heart, but i will be back to embarras billy in his "homosexual sex is normal" game.]
[Valrie Jensen
Putting the law on the books in Prop. 8 preserves the basic rights of freedom of speech and freedom of religion. This concern is broader than simply the issue of marriage, it's a matter of preserving priceless freedoms.]
Surely your argument should not be about the persons right to be homosexual.
The main theme seems to be about keeping freedom of speech. We all have the right to our beliefs. If Billy believes it is right for him to have sex with another man. Then why berate him for defending it? Surely, freedom of speech must be the same for everybody.
Begsbelief. "
richnlife wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:48 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:25 PM:
just for kicks and giggles, what prompted you to call me a "coward" after i went into DEPTH to counter your felonious "proof".
i know robb, because you can't debate a point, you fling an insult, or you whine and blame me.
between the two of us, YOUR the coward for wussing out and debating me about stuff YOU bring up.
i handle my business, and this is the part where you start your lying about me.
go ahead, it's what you always do "
Robb wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:01 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:56 AM:
when the discussion boards became the blogs, i made comments in there about God that were respectful, yet firm in my stance. then comes all these people in here attacking me because i take a firm stance on God. the rest is a two year long history of me demonstrating to them that NO ONE is going to bulldoze Christ/Christians/Christianity.
"they" can say whatever "they" want, including the most vile garbage a human being can utter like billy rubin, but a Christian cannot defend themeslves.
well, that's what they are used to thinking, until they met me.
what i do is protect the truths of God against them, and occasionally i get to teach how God works.
if "they" were respectful, and try all their underhanded garbage, you would see a different "me".
right now, and until they do, you witness a Christian who isn't afraid to take them all on in the war against truth.
it's what i HAVE to do "
Mainframe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:40 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:33 AM:
you won't, because your a liar, and part of your game is to spray the blogs with lies just before they expire, then in your sewer deluded mind, you claim some twisted "victory".
laughing
plays right into my hands "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:31 AM:
If all blessings flow from God, then the fact that Bill Gates is worth $70 billion").
bill gates has went on record saying he has no need for God.
so by deduction, bill gates' "$70 billion" STILL isn't enough to buy him air conditioning in hell, should he reject Jesus Christ all the way till he dies.
salvation isn't bought by inventing computer software, and by giving away BILLIONS in the worldwide fight against diseases, et all.
God isn't impressed with bill gates, and if you want to measure "blessings", bill gates would be on the bottom rung as to where God would go FIRST in the "measurement game".
anything else i can solve for you robb the pretender? "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:24 AM:
Imprisonment, torture, killings, death, extermination. YOUR desires posted by you").
this is where the lies become so evil, i need to remind you of the "bridge".
go jump off of it, and do humanity a favor you evil lying human toilet.
i NEVER said or implied ANY of those things. "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:19 AM:
you see, the difference between men and you is i don't lie, and i prove you guys lie when i copy and paste YOUR OWN WORDS verabtim - no twisting
the total difference is you NEVER DO, after i challenge you to.
you don't, because your a liar "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:16 AM:
nope.....never-said-that. another twisting/lying of my words.
what i DID say, was that the world is going to be a bteer place when God finally deals with anyone and everyone that opposes him. i said "that will be a great day".
what i have ALSO said, and you lied about was there will be "some" people who struggled with homosexuality in heaven.
you keep lying and selling the notion that i hate gays. i don't. like any other subset group of people in whatever they are into, it will be a great day when God dispatches evil, and those that do NOTHING BUT oppose him.
your deluded black heart thinks that you can bomb the blogs with your lies, and i won't respond. what you forget, is that i have a TRUCKLOAD of patience and fortiTUDE that i will take out every inch of your trash, no matter how long it takes me. if you think you can wear me down, all you do is fortify why i am in here, and GUARANTEE my future "
real facts wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:04 AM:
nope. owned it in the other blog. go read it. i don't run from lying heinous like you. i stand straight up and face it down likes it's nothing.
i don't play the same lying hit and run game you play billy. running shows weakness. lying shows weakness. lying shows your desperation.
it's ok, i said you were a weak little boy tow years ago, and nothing has changed except you celebrating two more birthdays.
whatever you keep blubbering about, BRING IT.
you won't, because your a liar, and part of your game is to spray the blogs with lies just before they expire, then in your sewer deluded mind, you claim some twisted "victory".
hurry up and bring your lying drivel "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:56 PM:
what you lie about as being "unequal", God measures each day PERFECTLY everytime. because i totally understand that, it doesn't bother me that my neighbor has a bigger tv than me.
what a loser. as if "material goods" were the measurement of a man WITHOUT God even. laughing.
but hey, thanks for letting me teach.
do you have any more of your palgarized "proof there isn't a God" that i can tear to shreds? "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:46 PM:
" Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
With that one sentence we can prove that God is imaginary, just like Santa Claus").
i almost missed robbs ain't excuse "doxology".
rather than repost all your dribble, your once again plagarized-off-the-internet-of-somebody-else-words-and-thoughts-because-you-can't-handle-your-OWN-business-as-a-man - is easily handled .....once again.
it's simple robb the liar, God doles out his blessings in the EXACT portion that bestows HIS honor, and NOT the honor of the recipiant.
God's decision making rests in eternal values, not in material goods. your "measurements" are waaaaay off.
sometimes, hardships of circumstances are a COMPLETE blessing of God, turning people inside out, and making them into something they would have never been otherwise.
whom God decides to bless even materially, is entirely arrived at because it fits the circumstances, NOT the person.
God said in his word he blesses the just (those the follow HIM), and the unjust (that would be you) as he see's fit.
God said he does it like that, so that morons like you can't even make the arguement that God didn't feed/clothe/bless them "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:46 PM:
Why is that, Fruitchrist? Because it's in the blogs still up and you're not *quite* stupid enough to deny it yet??
LOL
So.
What's the bet you said those things?
Sam's $1,000 to her charity? "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:32 PM:
liar. i NEVER said that either. what i said was something to the effect that we can contribute the collapse of the world, not just financial, to morons of life like you.
i NEVER said specifically the financial collapse was a direct result of homosexuality, but it would certainly be included in the "reasons why"
your the blog version of milton bradley "twister" of all your opponents words.
sad little human toilet that you have become "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:27 PM:
i never said that, and of course your an evil little liar.
i said i didn't know for sure, but it is a possiblity that God could lift his hand of protection on any society should they INSIST on acting like you, so if he did, we have YOU to thank.
what a liar "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:58 PM:
Do you wish to retract your statement that gays should be shipped off to prison? Do you no longer think gays should be assassinated? You fought that one for a long time - laughing and chuckling, saying you meant it.
Are you ready to say gays are not the cause of natural disasters?
Or are you still just a hateful psychopath? "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:25 PM:
gee, i think the human toilet thing got to him so bad he is no foregoing making money between sets at the noodle tonight to deal with me.
poor billy. perversion causes insanity "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:21 PM:
" Then I win.. ").
sure robb, you win.
you always were a legend in your own mind, so why not.
run along now. billy is about ready to regurgiaHATE all over himself again, and i have to remind him what a human toilet he is, but how you think what he says is acceptable.
accessory to a human toilet. great resume robb "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:55 PM:
God hates fags and tried burning California down, you said. God failed in his effort.
God, because he hates fags, is now causing the world finacial collapse, you said.
Gays should be rounded up and thrown in prison, you said.
Regular hell isn't bad enough for me, you said - there must be a Super-Hell somewhere and you want me to suffer worse for eternity there you said.
The world will be better when all the gays are gone, you said.
Society should focus its efforts on daily assassinations of atheists and gays, you said.
Imprisonment, torture, killings, death, extermination. YOUR desires posted by you.
That's what YOUR god has taught you.
Religion caused your insanity. "
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:50 PM:
With that one sentence we can prove that God is imaginary, just like Santa Claus.
We can prove that Santa is imaginary in a variety of ways, but here is one way: we note that he brings mountains of toys to rich kids while leaving other kids to starve to death. In the same way, we can prove that God is imaginary by noting the imbalance of his blessings. If God existed and handed out blessings as described in the Doxology, then the blessings would be spread uniformly among his believers. And non-believers would get none. As a result, the hand of God, through his blessings, would be plainly visible for all to see through statistical analysis.
Let us suppose that God is real and that all blessings actually do flow from him. If that is the case, then the utter unfairness with which he disperses his blessings is proof positive that God is ridiculous. If all blessings flow from God, then the fact that Bill Gates is worth $70 billion while 10 million children will starve to death this year is specifically God's fault. That is ridiculous. "
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:44 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:37 PM:
" dyan, disease is caused by viruses and bacteria. ").
dyan is the wrong person to go to.
billy is your "go to" guy for all things diseases, bacteria, and virus related.
don't ask him about AIDS though.
he gets a little nervous when you bring that up, that quandry about being a "victim" and all, and homosexual sex being "normal" "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:30 PM:
YOU started all this garbage in here with YOUR hate. turns out, i was the one that wasn't afraid to take your trash out.
"act toward their fellow man".....you get everything you have coming to you beased on what a God-hating jerk you are. voter is too much of a wimp of a man to tell the truth, that all you ever do is talk trash about God/Christians, trolling around EVERY religion blog and starting garbage.
oh that's acceptable though.
he have never done or said ONE THING in two years that would lend itself to being compassionate towards you, because all you ever do is talk trash.
you are getting what you deserve in here, and if you continue, i for one am committed more than ever to make sure you pay for it, by highlighting what unchecked God-hating immorality amounts to......YOU "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:22 PM:
" It's so sad that you continue to rationalize deviant behavior, Voter").
there ARE people that rationalize it, but not voter.
voter straight up gives it a ringing endorsement and full on applauds it.
i fully expect to see voter in the next couple of months on one those billboards next to 99 with a "thumbs up" high five snide, standing next to a port-a-potty.
the port-a-potty company will be named "billysewerland", and voter will be the new spokesperson.
now THAT'S "evolving" "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:17 PM:
" One suggestion: Lithium ").
it's going to take alot more than "lithium" for you to swim out of the sewer after last nights admission.
as long as you are disrespectful toward God, i will make sure that is your blog "boat anchor"
no wonder you fells don't like me. i make sure your integrity pays for it's refusal to act like a respectful human being.
billy the human toilet, and voter, the one that STANDS in the grandstands and yells for billy to give us some more.
seperating people from their words and demonstrating the fallacy of their position(s), it's but one of the things i do
it goes like this voter....
sewer + stench + overfill = lime.
bags and bags of it in here "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:10 PM:
" I know the truth, I am waiting for YOU to go away..
Now.. prove me wrong").
guess what, that won't happen anytime soon. in fact, your moronic behavior INSISTS i stay here with even MORE fortiTUDE than i had before.
"Now.. prove me wrong".
i already have. over and over and over. now your just a blog clogging dweeb bent of seeing himself type for some self aggrandizing reason.
shoo fly. right now there are some REAL gamers in here, and all you are is a man armed with a huge wish list.
voter catches my attention after last nights spillage of his integrity. since that guy is bent on talking trash about God, i am all about making sure of voters recent admissions of reaching a place in his life where "child molestations" and "cruising for gay sex" is now "normal" in voters world of SELF justification.
step aside robb the wanna be, i have bigger fish to fry. your just a minnow swimming in shark inFESTed waters "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:02 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:00 PM:
" Blaming your prejudices and hate on Bronze Age Man's view of "God" = moral constipation. ").
your right voter, we should "evolve" into something more forward thinking, i dunno, kind of like your solidarity with billy the human toilet last night. you calling billy "sane" and all.
yeah, i think i like where the world is headed according to voter......a place where the toilet bowl is the "norm", by way of negotiating the truly heinous things in life, for "personal freedom"
of course "we" have predjudices and so do you. unfortunately, you upchuck world history facts in favor of a momentary justification in an attempt at making your position just.
sorry voter, you showed you have no interest in world factual history with/without God in the equation, the MINUTE you completely flushed your integrity down the sewer on billy's back.
ONLY disgusting desperate human beings would show ANY solidarity to a human toilet like billy rubin.
i will take my provable "Bronze Age Man's view of God", and challenge you any day to a true history lesson. "
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:49 PM:
Now.. prove me wrong.
No word twisting, no games, no bible references, no cutting and pasting, prove me wrong. "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:48 PM:
"what God may think". if there is a God, what HE thinks matters above anyone, or anything else.
you still are accountable to HIM, even though you don't want to be.
do you really think if there is a God, and HE has standards, that you can do whatever you want that is in direct opposition to those standards, then when you die YOU can fully expect no retribution for doing so, and in fact God will accept you?
in that equation, YOU would be God, as YOU would be making up the rules.
like i said, this life is STILL governed by God, and although you can disobey those edicts, your only fooling yourself that it doesn't matter in this life AND the next.
being straight up, only a fool thinks they can eject God out of any arena in this life "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:40 PM:
" you asked the price, I gave you one, I understand that you would "like" us all to allow you to be some kind of "truth barometer", but you come off as a little man with a complex, so, until I am proven wrong, you are my Dark Lord.. ").
luke, i am not your fahhhhder.
resist the darkside luke, and come to the force.
"until I am proven wrong". that was blogs ago, about 3 of your posts into it. i keep proving you wrong, but mostly i use you to "teach".
people that pick the truth in life above other people ARE "truth barometers". you wouldn't know what truth is, because your not the least bit interested, because you spend your time lying about, "thinking" it will go away "
Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:40 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:20 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:18 PM:
Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:07 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:50 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:34 PM:
The weight and wisdom of universal cultures and history is on my side.
I call. You lose, as you will on November 4th. "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:29 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:29 PM:
For some reason you insist on conflating "Moral Compass" with ignorant superstition. "
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:18 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:14 PM:
But they enjoy the perfect excuse: They claim they HAVE to hate. They MUST do it because their all-powerful creator of everything says they must hate.
This convenient mind-set absolves them of all blame - the poor things are positively helpless.
Now, with the excuse in the bag, they can with clear conscience set about their REAL passion which is to act toward their fellow man as we see them act here. "
voter wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:04 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:20 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:19 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:56 AM:
" Here we have proof of the power of man's greatest psychologial defenses: denial and rationaliztion. Both always get him into trouble in the final analysis. "
You just described yourself. "
stanford man wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:53 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:40 AM:
Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:35 AM:
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:15 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:12 AM:
" I will sell you my "soul"... "
dude, at some point you need to go to rehab "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:11 AM:
" Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:17 AM:
" in canada, a church was sued by homosexuals wanting to get married in that particular church, and "they" were denied because the churches BELIEFS were against homosexual behavior.
WRONG - Internet MYTH "
I know. It's another one of those stories used by those interested in denying the rights of their fellow Americans. ").
good, then i can fine you too.
i would say that is an excellant way to stop you people from lying out your false teef, but it wouldn't even slow someone like you down.
i could get rich off of you lodian alone. you lie so much and enjoy, you would make your husband get a 2nd and 3rd part time job just to pay your "liars fines" in here "
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:09 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:06 AM:
" in canada, a church was sued by homosexuals wanting to get married in that particular church, and "they" were denied because the churches BELIEFS were against homosexual behavior.
WRONG - Internet MYTH ").
good job robb. lie number 231.
it's a fact. how much will you pay me this time as a "fine" for lying if i prove it
you would think after you have been caught so many times lying, you would quit, but i guess your a sucker for integrity "punishment".
remember on the other blog you whined and cried and swore up and down how you were "misquoted"?
wait till i take you to the cleaners on this one, then we will witness your hallmark excuses again.
how much will your fine be? "
real facts wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:02 AM:
well, we can tell your arguements in life aren't based in truth, because truth goes like this......"if" there is a God, then HE makes the rules, and those rules trump EVERYTHING that man can come up with.
God made it clear from the beginning of time that homosexuality is perverse, and even if you removed God from the equation, ALL of history and EVERY society has emphatically stated that homosexuality is perversion.
you have narcissism mixed up with the willingness to tell an absolute truth over peoples feelings and emotions.
i don't suffer from that "ism" "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:59 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:49 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:47 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:47 AM:
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:38 AM:
Forward movement, This GREAT county was formed on the idea that the church DOES NOT make the rules. "
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:22 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:01 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:55 AM:
" Gay marriage advocates need not worry. The fix is in no matter what happens on Prop 8. One thing you can't fix however, is world opinion, and the majority of people will never accept this departure from the norm. Therefore, this deviation will always take a back seat, no matter what kind of games are played in the legal arena. "
This sounds like many of the statements made over decades of oppression of many different Americans. You say "...this deviation will always take a back seat". Well, that's what oppressors have said in the past when they wanted to deny their fellow Americans, different from themselves, their rights as Americans. They all thought the world would end and hell would break loose. Well, American only became a better place due to these Americans fighting for their equal rights. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:44 AM:
" in canada, a church was sued by homosexuals wanting to get married in that particular church, and "they" were denied because the churches BELIEFS were against homosexual behavior.
WRONG - Internet MYTH "
I know. It's another one of those stories used by those interested in denying the rights of their fellow Americans. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:40 AM:
Separation of church and state.
Vote NO on proposition 8 !!! "
dyan wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:31 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:29 AM:
1) Infamous liberal talk show host and ANTI prop 8 advocate Bernie Ward, who is currently in prison for child porn.
2) The stated pederasty goals of the sexually diverse Rainbow crowd which is leading the fight to stop Proposition 8. What about the REAL goals of male homosexuals? Pederasty. Look at gay Barney Frank. A gay Congressman Barney and a teenage boy running a prositution business from Barneys house.
3) And now hiding in the shadows is measure K in San Francisco. Again the SAME Rainbow/gay/lesbo sexual "diversity" group wants to "decriminalize" prostitution like they decriminalized marijuana and heroin use.
Lets look at the anti-prop 8 advocates.
1) Abortion on demand---anytime anyplace no parental notification EVER
2) Legalization of heroin and marijuana and needle exchange; NO questions asked.
3) Support of legalized prostitution for all victims measure K.
4) Liberals have unswerving allegiance to admitted perverts Bernie Ward, Barney Frank and Obama buddy and FBI most wanted bomber - Willam Ayers (yes he admitted also being gay---visit his website). "
Robb wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:17 AM:
WRONG - Internet MYTH "
Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:13 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:02 PM:
really? we will take the high road here and say that you are ignorant of that statement, because it's ALREADY happened on several levels, where homosexuals sued Christians for various reasons, including your false "church" assertion.
in canada, a church was sued by homosexuals wanting to get married in that particular church, and "they" were denied because the churches BELIEFS were against homosexual behavior.
the homosexuals won.
it is a complete lie that if the proposition passes on the homosexual side of the coin, you can BANK on that door opening WIDE.
homosexuals have been dreaming up ways to shut the mouths of Christian churches that have the guts to call it sin.
that is the truth of this battle, and someone who claims "nothing will happen" is either ignorant, or is lying about it knowing it's GOING to happen, and doesn't care because of their liberal agenda "
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:45 PM:
I would like to see where your moral compass points. Gay? Bi? Tri? Try? Quad? Zo? Dendro? Are these people going to "feel bad" because you won't support their choices? "
Robb wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:44 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:56 PM:
Frank wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:13 PM:
Where did you get so smart? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:34 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:25 PM:
Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:43 PM:
By the way, it might be healthier for you to focus on facts: Teachers having "relations" with their students. This actually exists and, surprise, it can and will harm your children. "
Lulu_Oni wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:36 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:41 PM:
" 4AStrongLodi: dyan usually changes he subject, simply doesn't answer a direct question or spews hate instead. Hmmm, sounds like RF, doesn't it?").
your just a pathetic lying loon who when she can't debate, she resorts to lying all over the board.
keep it up, it only serves "our" purpose that we are right when we HIGHLIGHT your positions in life are culled from the sewer "
dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:33 PM:
Well, so was homosexuality until legislatures and bathhouse barristers decided to change it. Where are the "rights" for the others? Only the powerful are allowed these "rights" in your book? Suddently, the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to every other sexually perverse group? Even the ACLU seems to support the right of pedophiles under "free speech." "
dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:23 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:06 PM:
That's more than I can say for the likes of you! LOL! (Just had to say it.) "
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:03 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:40 PM:
stanford man wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:16 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:54 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:39 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:34 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:23 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:18 AM:
" I'm still yet to hear how same-sex marriage affects you. "
They have no answer, just hate. "
real facts wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:34 AM:
going straight for the sick sexual side of life is like 2nd nature for the king of heinous.
always making sexual perversion inSINuations. my, if that's not a reason to support homosexuality as being "normal", i don't know what is.
billy rubin ladies and gentleman - the "face" of homosexuality, and everything it stands for "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:26 AM:
Prowling, carefully plotting her strategy to avoid legal pitfalls. "
Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:40 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:59 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:48 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:12 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:43 PM:
First off, the divorce rate for same-sex marriages is much, much lower than heterosexual couples (which is over 50%).
Second, with child molestation, there is a victim. There are no victims with same-sex marriage, only consenting adults.
Lastly, why should the government have any say what goes on in a bedroom between consenting adults? So, you want the government to dictate what you do in your own house when you're not hurting anyone? "
Robb wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:43 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:30 PM:
(as bad as that is). You must love lawyers. "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:10 PM:
It's called Equal Rights.
And, why won't you tell me how same-sex marriage affects you? "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:08 PM:
But I'll ask everyone here again, how are they "forcing their lifestyle down your throat" by being allowed to marry? "
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:02 PM:
Yes, we all don't agree with your view of "marriage" and that doesn't not make us any more "hateful" than you hating us. But as I said. Don't worry. The screwballs on the courts will eventually rule in your favor, and however the American people want to define marriage won't matter. Isn't that what a judicial dectatorship is all about? "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:54 PM:
You aren't being forced into a same-sex marriage, so it doesn't affect you. If you don't like it, then don't marry someone of the same sex. It's that simple. "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:51 PM:
Great logic. I'm sure they're upset about homosexuality and not any of the other things we've done in their countries. "
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:51 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:46 PM:
You won't even answer a legitimate question. You just spew nonsennse.
What effect does homosexuality have on you? "
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:35 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:35 PM:
Wow, that's really a great argument.
How about "I know you are but what am I?"
Try to bring a little intellect to this debate.
What effect does homosexuality even have on you? "
dyan wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:31 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:12 PM:
" I still haven't heard one proponent for Prop 8 give a legitiate reason why this is even on the ballot.
That's what I'd like to know. Can anyone just put any ol' proposition up for a vote in California? "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:38 AM:
They keeping quoting god and religion. Or perversion.
Hommosexuality is a legally-protected right and always will be. Get over it.
We have separation of Church and State in this country, so preventing same-sex marriage can not be based on religion. It has to be based on the Constituion.
So, are you really just hateful, ignorant people or are you going to present a legitimate argument? "
Mainframe wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:45 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:37 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:24 PM:
" Real Fact, thank you for the info about those churches. Sounds like we are in the same boat. I too am "shopping". ").
if your loking for the "perfect church", it doesn't exist.
but there ARE churches that adhere to Gods word over anything else.
hopefully for your sake, that church is the ONLY one you will settle for, otherwise you will end up like the lodians of life (and that's NOT a compliment).
those churches are nearing extinction. "
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:12 PM:
This is who I think "real facts" is").
or what you could do is "man up" and debate me on these matters, instead of adding yourself to the busloads of hit and run artists in here.
don't tell me, your afraid to also.
chalk another wanna be up to blog bravery.
what, robb can't handle his own business, so he has solicited recruits from craigslist?
i need to take up a collection to buy you guys a bigger bus. yours is reaching capacity.
the strength of one, against the many "
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:04 PM:
really? because everything God had to say about homosexuality was that it WAS perversion.
maybe you can give ONE REFERENCE where he high fived it?
God rewards those that pick HIM and truth. you know what happens to those that don't... "
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:42 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:35 PM:
Here is your assignment: Give me the name of ONE well known Bay area, liberal leader, liberal political commentator or liberal politician who WILL EVER denounce the behavior that Mr. Bernie Ward admitted.
I'll add one more project: Name ONE national liberal commentator---any of them, who publicly censured congressman Barnie Frank for sexual harassment of pages working for the congress. oops did I mention a weak point? Anywhere else its called CHILD MOLEST. Some pages were under 18 years old. my oh my, how we change the facts to meet our liberal agenda. Okay, why no public liberal conversation about Mr Barnie Pederast Frank. He paid another boy $80 for sex. Thats also illegal and never denied. Congressman Frank said he was trying to rehabilitate the drug using boy. How? "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:30 PM:
Back in 1860, "the will" of the People was to keep slavery legal. Should we chastize Lincoln for going against their will? "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:24 PM:
Obama is against a Federal ruling on same-sex marriage. He believes each state should decide.
Same-Sex marriage is protected under Federal Law and will ultimately be upheld in the Courts. "
Timothy wrote on Oct 21, 2008 5:19 PM:
scout wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:42 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:35 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:33 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:21 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:45 PM:
This is who I think "real facts" is:
Probably doesn't have a high school education. Lived in Lodi his whole life and has never been outside of CA. He's over 60 and white. He's probably the guy who steals all the bottles and cans out of my recycliing bin at 4am while mumbling to himself. He has to blog from the Library because the halfway home was tired of him drooling on the keyboard. He's also probably not taking his meds and says those "other" people are out to get him.
I think I nailed it on the head. "
dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:42 PM:
LOL!! Lodian: You've outdone yourself!
You are still ignoring Obama's rejection of gay marriage. A little fact you'd rather ignore? "
Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:37 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:15 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:13 PM:
" Vote no on Prop 8!
Yes! It's the only American choice to make in order to keep the separation of church and state. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:10 PM:
dyan: And you think that gay people wanting to marry has created this picture of marriage you describe? That's laughable. Any marital issue up to now has been caused by heterosexual people. They have been the only ones not denied their right to marry, so why blame the ones that have been denied their rights all this time? Looks like you are looking for a scapegoat for all the failed marriages in this country.
Oh, and you really need to stop with comparing this fight for equal rights to those in other countries because, as most of us know, there are some pretty nasty things going on in other countries that not many of us would want to see allowed here in the US. I guess unless you want to be stoned at your husband's request. Are those the rights you'd like to have? That practice has been done forever too so shall we continue that tradition? "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:10 PM:
It's about separation of church and state. The government can not (and will not) discriminate against any person based on ethnicity, race, sex, disability, or sexual orientation.
Marriage is two arrangements: a legally binding contract and a tradition.
We can not allow only certain people to participate in the legally binding part.
If your church doesn't want to marry same-sex partners, then you're wrong, but you have that right (and God will havve a harsh judgement for you). However, when it involves the government, everyone is equal.
Even if the proposition passes, it will again be overturned by the courts because it is balatant discrimination. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:08 PM:
edumacation: What activities exactly do you think "liberals" privately approve? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:03 PM:
" Powell's endorsement of Obama: Wow, big surprise. Who cares? "
Answer: The world cares. "
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:02 PM:
it took me NO TIME to dismantle your claims. all i did is played them against your OWN WORDS over time.
over time is what it usually takes with smart people.
it took me 3 posts tops with you.
now, i just use you to "teach", and your "slow" enough to keep providing me the opportunity, even AFTER i said i was doing it.
you have ALOT to learn, grasshopper "
Robb wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:05 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:58 AM:
" scout: I suggest you do not give real facts any personal information. He is not to be trusted").
what a loon. like i can pick scout out of the congregation crowd of people.
laughing
i am an expert at the dissection of people from their words/claims, but i am not that good......laughingx2
i might be able to narrow you down in a crowd lodian. red hair is rare.
not to worry. scout won't bite because scout isn't interested in the truth game most likely. all i was doing was keeping scout "honest" about his claims, and i was using scout's "example" that you don't call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ, and then turn around and pick and choose which "parts" your going to "follow".
Lord of all, or nothing at all "
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:47 AM:
edumacation: What activities exactly do you think "liberals" privately approve? ").
well, i know for a fact that YOU approve of child molestation if it fits your agenda, because YOU high fived billy when he told me to go have sex with my own daughter.
you laughed about it, and this is an anonymous blog.
God only knows what you high five "privately".
liberals (for the most part, but not always) are agenda based. finding a liberal that will pick truth over people/agenda is as rare as witnessing lodian actually telling the truth for once "
real facts wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:40 AM:
" edumacation: No, think of General Colin Powell and his endorsement of Barack Obama for president of the United States of America. ").
powell didn't pick obama because of the reason powell "claimed" he was picking obama. powell picked obama for his self serving political "appearance" career.
powell USED TO BE the go to guy for all things right, until he switched gears, and now he changes with the wind, whichever direction it blows to make him look good.
it's unfortunate to witness someone that HAD great potential, flush it away out of greed for appearance.
i LOVE that sara palin DIFFERS PURPOSEFULLY from her OWN running mates stance on gay marriage. here is a woman on the cusp of being in one of the heaviest positions in the world, a position that would feed the most power hungry, and YET she STILL maintains her position, and won't compromise it EVEN if it costs her.
you will NEVER see that kind of integrity out of lodian in here.
if you cannot do it in an anonymous blog... "
dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:00 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:56 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:45 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:44 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:57 AM:
edumacation: What activities exactly do you think "liberals" privately approve? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:54 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:52 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:08 PM:
Real Facts, since you are asking, what church do you worship in?").
see that church on the homepage that merged with the other one (heartland), i used to go there. i quit going because it is "seeker sensitive". which means the teaching and enviornment are geared toward those that are mostly not sure about where they stand (seeking), or they may be "young" in their relationship with the Lord. at face value, mostly a good premise, because there is a need in the church for that. however, heartland was more worried about being perceived as "cool and accepting", that they would filter Gods total word so that it wasn't "offensive". you don't do that to fill pews, so i left.
i was going to first baptist of stockton, but i left there because it wasn't where i was called anymore, not because there was a problem like lodian and bily rubin LIED about.
i am currently "shopping".
timothy, maybe you AND scout can be as honest. give it a whirl "
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:58 PM:
i just had to borrow that explanation while serving up billy rubin as proof these people will give a freepass to anything and everything at the expense of "personal freedom".
to this day, for two years i have been taking out billy's bottom feeder trash, NO ONE on the liberal side has condemned ANYTHING he has EVER said.
never
if there ever was a valid arguement that "these people" DO NOT pick ANY truths of life, they pick people and agenda OVER truth.....it's billy "the human toilet" rubin.
edumacation has stated that she is an atheist, and that obviously puts us at the polar opposite ends of the God-spectrum. but as you can tell people, picking truth over people and agenda isn't hard at all. well it is, if you could CARE LESS about truth to begin with.
edumacation, since i plagarized your post, where can i send the royalty? "
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:47 PM:
tell me about it.
well, MOST are closet "acceptors", but in the case of lodian and robb, those two are out in the open, as per their PERSONAL high five of billy's hit parade of child molestation.
ever notice how neither one of them has denied it? sick puppies from the same litter
what integrity giant high fives perversion and helps proliferate it on the premise of "personal freedom"?
sicko's, that's who "
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:41 PM:
scout-claims-he-is-a-Christian, but-yet-he-cannot-call-homosexuality-sin.
it is IMPOSSIBLE given the amount of ONLY negative verbage devoted to homosexual sex in the bible to be "for" anything that helps to proliferate the notion that any portion of it is "acceptable".
though scout may incorporate a few of Christ's teachings, he is not "following" Christ's authority in this matter.
Jesus said you either follow me, or you don't.
HE is either your Lord and Master over your life, or YOU are.
as it is within any relationship over time, people are always in a transitional stage of learning. but a person who REFUSES to adhere to something OVER TIME that is so blatant, in that God devoted alot of effort in how HE felt about homosexuality, that is often an indicator that they are NOT followers of Christ to begin with.
since the truth's of God are at stake here, i will go to whatever length i need to, to protect those truth's, via my "dissection process".
Gods word calls for the "testing of spirits". i-am-doing-what-i-am-called-to-do "
edumacation wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:32 PM:
Timothy wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:57 PM:
I think it is clear that Scout is against the government judging what is done in our bedrooms. As am I. Real Facts, since you are asking, what church do you worship in? Is that really information we need to divulge for a meaningful debate? "
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:27 PM:
afterall, as we have witnessed in the past blogs, there are churches that cannot call sin, sin anymore, in favor of filling pews.
so are you up for it scout?
what denomination do you attend? "
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:24 PM:
" Lodian, you are my "new" hero... ").
good career choice, and one EXACTLY reflecting where your life is going.
you know, when they say that homosexuals are human toilets because of their promiscuity, it only stands to reason that you would high five lodian as you both "FLUSH" human decency down the sewer of life.
ANYONE that high fives homosexual sex of anykind, does so because THEY are willing to pervert ALL of history.
ok, so i am little more blunt then anyone else is willing to be. you can always sue me.
straight up truth is way more effective than the beat around the bush "PC" type. "
real facts wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:47 PM:
" The "lawsuits" have already been debunked as misleading, vote NO.. ").
your a pathetic liar.
what's "misleading" about winning a discriminatory lawsuit against Christians waged by homosexuals?
you just lied ON PURPOSE
that's a fact of HISTORY, because it's DOCUMENTED. it ALREADY happened.
you have claimed in these blogs that you "never lie", even this blatant one PROVES your lying "
dyan wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:57 PM:
Timothy wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:28 PM:
I do not want our government in my church and I do want want it in my bedroom. "
Timothy wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:24 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 5:12 PM:
" Lodian, you are my "new" hero... "
LOL!!! "
Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:46 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:42 PM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVRPdQB5BCs
... "
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:41 PM:
And She's the California Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU4udzEbcdQ
... "
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:40 PM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-pSye9W7FY
... "
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:04 PM:
" If thousands of years of history of all world cultures has taught us anything, it's gay marriage makes no sense. It only makes sense to those who seem to have none. "
Those with such narrow minds have always thought that what they personally choose for themselves is the only, and right, way of living free in this country. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 4:01 PM:
dyan: And you think that gay people wanting to marry has created this picture of marriage you describe? That's laughable. Any marital issue up to now has been caused by heterosexual people. They have been the only ones not denied their right to marry, so why blame the ones that have been denied their rights all this time? Looks like you are looking for a scapegoat for all the failed marriages in this country.
Oh, and you really need to stop with comparing this fight for equal rights to those in other countries because, as most of us know, there are some pretty nasty things going on in other countries that not many of us would want to see allowed here in the US. I guess unless you want to be stoned at your husband's request. Are those the rights you'd like to have? That practice has been done forever too so shall we continue that tradition? "
dyan wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:28 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 1:22 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:55 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:48 PM:
dyan: So now you are blaming gay marriage for the death of heterosexual marriage in this country? Wow! You will stop at nothing with your invented problems. So, tell us all, how did gay marriage hurt your heterosexual marriage? I'd like to know how they did this especially since the right to gay marriage has been denied. "
dyan wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:47 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:38 PM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:46 AM:
Unfortunately, both the district court and the Court of Appeals ruled against them, stating that parents had no right to be notified of this instruction or to remove their children from class while gay marriage was being taught. Just a few days ago the United States Supreme Court refused to hear their case.
The impact of gay marriage on California public schools has emerged as the top issue in the Proposition 8 campaign. Opponents of 8 claim that Prop. 8 has nothing to do with schools but as the Wirthlins experience in Massachusetts shows, it has everything to do with schools.
Ironically, the frantic efforts by the No on 8 campaign to deny any connection between gay marriage and public schools was totally undercut when a public school in San Francisco escorted a first grade class on a field trip to City Hall in order to witness a lesbian wedding officiated by Mayor Gavin Newsom. School officials defended their decision as providing the young children with a teachable moment.
More: http://www.protectmarriage.com/article/first-graders-taken-to-san-francisco-city-hall-for-gay-wedding "
Robb wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:31 AM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:27 AM:
The right to makes decisions for your children will be taken away is you don't vote yes on Prop 8..
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49813 "
dyan wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:23 AM:
scout wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:21 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:21 AM:
" Prop 8 increases government control, blurs the line separating church and state (which is a threat to churches), and grants the state permission to treat people differently. Prop 8 not only adds discrimination into the constitution but is a direct threat on the freedom of religion itself. "
It's odd that prop 8 supporters do not see these facts. "
deblaw wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:15 AM:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49813 "
scout wrote on Oct 20, 2008 11:07 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:16 PM:
dyan: Wow, you are pretty twisted. You seem to enjoy it, but I don't find it funny when speaking of child molestation").
well, what you meant was that it all depends, and that 1/2 of you actually does.
what you meant was that if it is indulged in by someone on YOUR side of the coin, then child molestation IS ok
now i understand your deep psychosis alot better after today
sick "
real facts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:11 PM:
" dyan wrote "Well, I say its time to give minors their rights if they want to marry a molester at 10 years old. LOL!"
dyan: Wow, you are pretty twisted. You seem to enjoy it, but I don't find it funny when speaking of child molestation").
dyan's twisted, but billy is not?
your a running loon parade, who can't ever keep her positions straight.
YOU high fived billy RIGHT AFTER he made multiple references/inferences of sex with my own daughter, AND the young man at the restaurant, and either never said anything, and on multiple occasions you luaghed about it.
that's a FACT
YOU HIGH FIVED IT. you weren't just "silent". you high fived billy RIGHT AFTER he said it.
YOUR the sick and twisted one.
you ARE the textbook example of how people are so wrapped around their liberal agenda, they "try" and bust people for the same things YOU high five
you should proof read your posts before you hit send
your a knot outside the boy scout manual "
mainframe wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:46 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:47 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:44 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 19, 2008 2:39 PM:
dyan: Wow, you are pretty twisted. You seem to enjoy it, but I don't find it funny when speaking of child molestation. FYI, Children cannot consent to marriage, let alone consent to criminal acts against them. I know you are having a difficult time in this debate, but you are really reaching, and making us all sick to our stomachs, when you encourage the abuse of little children. "
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:37 PM:
child molester = illegal (a criminal)
--one who commits a crime against a child (one who cannot consent). ").
for now.
won't be too much longer with YOU opening the door for all things perverted.
gee, where IS that condemnation of billy telling me to go have sex with my daughter?
oh yeah, i forgot. you HIGH FIVED IT.
your a weak person with ZERO morals lodian
all you are now is one of those people that stand on the tarmac with those nice little lighted cones, guiding perversion right onto the runway so it can take off.
"rights" my merit badge. your an accessory to a world record crime "
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:31 PM:
gay = legal
--one who may be in a same sex relationship with another consenting adult.
child molester = illegal (a criminal)
--one who commits a crime against a child (one who cannot consent). ").
lodian, your not exactly a rhoades scholar in the debate department.
let's see you explain the hard and fast "cement" of your position by telling the TRUTH for once in your life on these blogs.
how long ago WAS homosexual sex illegal?
how long was it illegal FOR, before it slipped thru the cracks on the morality world stage?
oh yeah, you CAN'T answer it, because an actual TRUE answer self indicts your position.
lying isn't a strength lodian. it demonstrates YOUR weakness "
dyan wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:14 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:26 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:03 PM:
dyan: Wow! Really? Why do you think the rights of Americans are bogus? Most Americans do not think their rights are bogus.
dyan wrote "The same argument can be used for child molesters marrying children."
dyan: Nope, wrong again. I sure find it disturbing that you cannot see how wrong the comparison really is, dyan.
gay = legal
--one who may be in a same sex relationship with another consenting adult.
child molester = illegal (a criminal)
--one who commits a crime against a child (one who cannot consent). "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:51 PM:
Yes, because Moses passed it on as a law of the land.
Whether you like it or not the Western code of Justice is BASED on the laws attributed to Moses. Every western law giver from Moses on has looked to his writtings as the basis for laws. Even the eves over hanging your house started as a law Moses passed on. "
dyan wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:17 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:00 PM:
" Rhodie wrote "Thou shall not bare false witness, this one is in the courts everyday, should it be abolished as well?"
Rhodie: It is illegal to lie in court, for obvious reasons. Do you need religion to tell you not to lie in court?:).
*************************************
you get the golden tin foil hat award, awarded to the blogger that can't ever keep his/her position(s) straight.
this award is "golden", instead of the usual festive foil, because it far exceeds the lunacy of the garden variety "tin" version.
with as much as you willfully and purposefully lie in these blogs without conscience, you wouldn't last two seconds in a courtroom. either you couldn't lie about your position and others, or you would lie and they would cart you off into OZ land.
YOU speaking about the "obvious" aspects about lying, and that WHILE being the queen thereof in here.
laughing
what a loon "
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:48 PM:
Rhodie: It is illegal to murder someone. It is not illegal to be gay. ").
it used to be illegal to have homosexual sex.
still is in some states. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:36 PM:
Rhodie: It is illegal to lie in court, for obvious reasons. Do you need religion to tell you not to lie in court?
All men/women are created equal and should have equal rights. Out of every other place on Earth I would think that THIS is the country that would hold this in the highest regard, for all Americans. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:29 PM:
Rhodie: It is illegal to murder someone. It is not illegal to be gay. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:20 PM:
dyan: You may daydream of doing weird things with your dog, but your dog is not a legal consenting adult. Please, for your dog's sake, try to wrap your brain around that fact. "
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:27 PM:
" ...those are not good reasons to deny gay people their rights. ").
lodian said this immediately following dyan's accurate accounting of all of history.
only in the last couple of decades has homosexuality morphed into an attempted "rights" issue, out of desperation for justification.
i like how the libs like lodian have to IGNORE all of history, and then resort to lying in order to keep their stranglehold on their position.
it bears repeating because it's a UNIVERSAL TRUTH.....you have to lie, it ISN'T the truth, and it shows your weakness "
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:21 PM:
" here is not one argument in support of Prop 8 that is not rooted in religion").
that's a lie, and you know it.
you know it, because you read the postings in here where people pulled "religion" completely out of the equation, and ALL of history has STILL said it's perversion.
i thought you said you "never lie"?
people that have to lie, don't have a position.
you have some God sized chip on your shoulder from something that happened in your life, and now you resort to lying about factual arena's in life because of it.
go ahead. it only makes you look like a fool "
Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:48 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:22 AM:
Robb wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:09 AM:
dyan wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:02 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:41 AM:
" There is not one argument in support of Prop 8 that is not rooted in religion").
ummmmmmm not quite.
you can completely remove religion out of the equation, and the whole rest of the world since the beginning of time has spoken - that homosexual sex is perversion and therefore immoral "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:52 PM:
Thou shall not murder is church teaching, should we do away with that one as well?
Thou shall not bare false witness, this one is in the courts everyday, should it be abolished as well?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
Prop 8 does not "establish" a religion but it could "prohibit the free exercise thereof" when business owners are sued for being true to their religion.
And it is Seperation of church AND state, not seperation of church FROM state. Because I don't care what you church, Christian or not, if there is no other moral compass in your life other than popular vote then you have no real convitions of your own. "
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:41 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:33 PM:
You must have missed my last posting, Lapdog. "
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:18 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:45 PM:
I like what i heard on KLOVE once. The guest was talking about how he met a goldsmith once in Africa who said Gold smiths have a special understanding of the quote, "like gold tested in fire". Most people think of this as trials and tests. Goldsmiths see it for what it is, gold is not pure until the smith can see his reflection in it. When we are tested in Gold, it is God looking to see how much of himself he can see in us. I choose to follow His teachings so he sees himself in me, as much as is humanly possible. I choose not to follow social whims because I don't want that obscuring what God sees in me. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:39 PM:
Movies with swear words are mostly a turn off for me. The only times I'll keep watching them is if there is a message in the movie. Of course I'm so boring I never watched Bevis and his friend or Southpark, even Spongebob is banned from the house for his usage of certain words. Garbage in garbage out. I'll put it this way, I said "Darn" once and a friend looked at me and said that was the worst swear she ever heard me say. As for taking the Lord's name in vain I think I have occasionally, but throw a quick apology up. Cont. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:32 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:27 PM:
Here you demonstrate that it would be impossible to justify my behaviors to you since the foundations for my behaviors is a book you dismiss as fiction (I'm guessing). "
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:22 PM:
You gay activists are sending the morals of this country to hell in a bobsled").
i was thinking more in terms of one of those super duper herculean drill augers that can make it past the crust, into the mantle, and all the way into the fire box.
but the "bobsled" mental picture will do "
dogs4you wrote on Oct 17, 2008 6:55 PM:
dyan wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:34 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:26 PM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:34 PM:
Neo wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:24 PM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:59 PM:
Again, you, and others, hide behind selected passages in the bible to mask the hatred and ignorance. It is not your place in the world to save others. That is not the reason you, or anyone on this pose has put forth for your reasons for wanting to deny others a right which will not impact you at all. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:47 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:46 PM:
Deplorable behavior is not exclusive to gay people. Heterosexual people do stupid things everyday! Most frivolous lawsuits come from heterosexual people. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:40 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:36 PM:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund Burke
Yes, I love this quote.
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Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:34 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:56 AM:
When you are standing before God on judgement day do you want you defense in this matter to be "But society said it was okay" or "I was following what was written in the Bible"? They are not the same thing in this case. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:52 AM:
Edmund Burke:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."
Are you tolerant of people having affairs?
Gambling in excess?
Drinking themselves to sleep at night?
Are you tolerant of people who play their music loud in the car next to you?
Are you tolerant of people who break the law?
Do you accept polygamist with a let them do as they want attitude?
Is there anything you are willing to stand up for and say this is wrong?
Christians are called to love, tolerant and accept everyone they meet (as is demonstrated by the story of Jesus appearing to two disciples on the road and walking with them). We are not called to accept their sins and we are not excpected to tolerate attacks on fellow Christians. On the contrary we are excpected to stand and be counted even when it causes society to hate us. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:37 AM:
Actually the wedding photographer in New Mexico refused to shoot a wedding cerimony between two ladies and was sued. New Mexico does not recognize same sex marriage and this photographer was a WEDDING photographer. If there was not a legal marriage then how could he be sued. I wish I could find the court findings on that one.
But it does feed the point. There were probably several wedding Photgraphers that needed the money and would have shot the wedding, but instead this couple picks a Christian one and then sues because he won't conform to their beliefs. "
SportsGuru wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:34 AM:
TO notstuckinlodi who wrote:
"Why are all you bible thumpers so quick to pass judgement on people who are different that you?"
1) I'm not a bible thumper and don't regularly attend religious services - but that doesn't automatically make me PRO gay-marriage
2) I don't pass judgement, but I do have a set of moral principles that I won't compromise
3) I think homosexuals should be able to practice homosexuality if they so choose
4) I don't believe they should be able to change the traditional definition of marriage just because they want society to consider their lifestyle "normal"
5) Schools have no business teaching about sexual morality with regards to homosexuality. As a parent, I get to set that standard
6) I have homosexual friends, including one that died from AIDS. I can NOT suppport gay marriage, and still be supportive of my homosexual friends
7) You are the one who is judgemental - by labeling people with my perspective as "homophobes" (yes, I spelled it correctly), "bible thumpers", etc.
Nowhere in my post do you find such things. "
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:22 AM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:12 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:11 AM:
My point in asking the question was to show that you will not lose any rights if prop 8 does not pass. If you are bent on denying other Americans their rights then you should think about what right you would like taken from you. ").
as usual, your points are easily defended against.
in the other prop 8 blog, i cited with an internet address TWO instances ALREADY where homosexuals sued individuals OVER their Christian beliefs.
one was a wedding photog that refused to photograph a lesbian couple in new mexico where the jury awarded the lesibiAINT'S $6,000
the other was a church in canada that REFUSED to marry a homosexual "couple"
if prop 8 fails, the homosexuals will sue everyone in sight, and THAT'S what makes it a danger "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:04 AM:
Intersting Lapdog, Which Christian chruch teaches the Bible is equal to Nazi's burning Jews? "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:02 AM:
It is interesting, Lapdog, how you leave off the important parts of this quote. The first is it's precedant commandment "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND". This means before anything else you love and obey Him, not social whims. Second is "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF". See those last two words, "as yourself". This means you do what is good for you, sin is not good for you (and I'm sorry, if you are a Christian then you must follow the teachings of the Bible and the Bible never says Homosexuality is okay, but it does condemn the action). So if sin is not good for you then you must fight to rid yourself of it. IF you love you neighbor as yourself like you claim then you must be willing to help them over come sin as stated in the Bible as well. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:01 AM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:55 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:40 AM:
" "What rights are you willing to give up so you can deny gay people the right to marry? "
What are these rights you believe society as a whole will lose IF prop 8 passes? "
My point in asking the question was to show that you will not lose any rights if prop 8 does not pass. If you are bent on denying other Americans their rights then you should think about what right you would like taken from you. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:40 AM:
Your joking right? In a society where we sue over the coffee being to hot, becuase there were no warnings not to press against third story windows, becuase the Bible clearly says Homosexuality is wrong, because some guy won't take pictures at the commitment ceremony? Do you really think activists and profiteers won't take advantage of the REdefinition of marriage to push their agenda?
You keep citing Chruches, they may not be in immediate danger (but a lawsuit away will probably put them there). But businesses and organizations that support those church weddings and marriages will be in danger if the state REdefines marriage. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:34 AM:
Thank you for proving my point Lapdog. IF the state defines marriage as one man and one woman then wedding and Marriage support organizations that serve one man one woman can not be sued because they are following the state definition of "Marriage". But IF the state REdefines marriage as whoever to whoever then these groups now become open to lawsuits if they stay true to their religious beliefs. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:30 AM:
What are these rights you believe society as a whole will lose IF prop 8 passes? "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:28 AM:
I am Lodian? You don't believe that businesses that stay true to their convictions not only could be sued, but should be sued. If a Christian supply store refuses to carry same sex cake toppers, even refuses to order them, do you think they should be sued or otherwise legally forced to carry said item. How about the (hypothetical) St. martha retreat house who hosts weddings and receptions, should they be sued for being true to their religious mission statement? How about after the fact. The (hypothetical) Marriages Through God organizations whose mission it is to teach husband and wife how to have a better marriage, should they be lawsuited to disolvement because they believe marriage is one man one woman?
Whose rights are YOU willing to sacrafice to give gays the right to marry? "
dyan wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:23 AM:
Brian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:16 AM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:31 PM:
Finally, there is nothing more "healthy" about straight marriage than gay marriage. It is highly unlikely that a bunch of gay people will be banging on the local baptist church demanding the pastor perform a marriage ceremony, this has not happened since the Supreme Court decision! "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:30 PM:
Rhodie: Wow, so dramatic. And, no, you are wrong again.
What rights are you willing to give up so you can deny gay people the right to marry? "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:15 PM:
And the really scary part is there are some even on this board like Robb and Billy who are just licking their chomps at the thought of destroying religious business after business. The likes of Bob and Lodian want nothing more than to see all those who don't conform to the change in social morality be bankrupted, put out of business or otherwise attacked for being true to their convictions. In the end, if these anti-spiritual activists get their way then outward displays of theology will be deemed socially offensive and believers will face the choice of bend or rebel. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:07 PM:
Like everything else there is paperwork for getting married. On it there is a Bride and Groom line. Since bride is by definition a woman and groom a man then identifying oneself as a bride when in reality they are groom is fraud. I'm not suggesting there be marriage police but if something sends up a red flag like an audit with two males when one is id'ed as a bride on the marriage certificate then it is fraud and subject to what ever the legal system doles out. "
sam wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:16 PM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:52 PM:
parishioner wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:48 PM:
lapdog wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:46 AM:
There is nothing "sacred" about marraige other than what we personally impose upon that institution. I respect the rights of the Religious to impose a certain moral character on their marraige and I expect them to respect my right to impose my own morality on my marraige. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:25 AM:
Do you think married people having affairs is wrong? It is a simple yes no question.
Does your neighbor having an affair hurt your marriage or your values? Simply no.
How about Clinton having an affair with an intern? Did that affect your values in anyway?
If you think it was okay for Clinton to have an affair, why?
The reason I pick this issue to compare to homosexuality is that the defense for Homosexuality I hear on the boards is that it is a genetic thing. Well, recent studies found that men who have afair share genetic marker as well. So if it works for the homosexual community then it should work for the man having a affair. Following that logic that genetics makes it all okay, then extramarital affair should no longer be grounds for seperation. "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:17 AM:
This would include Polygamy, sister and brother, cousins and cousin and other such arrangements. What about mail order marriages from over seas, how about arranged marriages for $$ so someone can get citizenship? Why do Homosexuals get the right to marry when none of these other do?
Any other heterophobs, feel free to add your two cents on this question. "
wtf wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:19 AM:
wtf wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:18 AM:
To me, this is a petty agenda that's being used as a "foot in the door" to start hacking away at our state constitution.
Bush and his buddies have already basically gutted the Constitution of the United States; if individual states start tinkering with their constitutions, we might as well not have a constitution at all. "
Cogito wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:14 AM:
lodisafeway wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:02 AM:
This incessant attack against people of faith in this matter has run its course. There are many Californians who will vote for Proposition 8 not based upon their religious convictions - but because they believe that marriage between anyone other than one man and one woman to be wrong. It is as simple as that.
No one is trying to force anyone's religious beliefs on anyone else. You speak of "fear." For those of you who do not believe in God (or anything else of a spiritual nature), just why are you so concerned about those who do? We all are entitled to our opinions as well as the right to vote for or against anything or anyone on any ballot. Do you really believe your odious comments will change anyone's opinion and vote the way that you would like? Folks like you certainly are afraid - the question is - why? "
notstuckinlodi wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:23 AM:
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