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With dopes like Bush, Cheney, Obama and McCain, is it any wonder we're in this financial swamp?

Updated: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:35 AM PDT

As America collapses, here's my bipartisan list of first their culprits: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney (has anyone seen him lately?), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke.

To that group, I add presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain. The Republican and Democratic nominees stand exposed as inept as those who they hope to replace.

Congress and the White House have demonstrated complete powerlessness to instill in a nervous America the smallest kernel of assurance in their leadership. They have shown not the slightest inkling as to how to control the financial crisis — let alone resolve it.

Their collective failures are the biggest contributor to America's tailspin.

As an example of their shared stupidity, consider the audacity of Paulson to appoint a former Goldman Sachs colleague, Neel Kashkari, to save our hash.

Yet no one in Congress objects to putting an investment banker in charge of saving the financial markets — which the bankers themselves thoroughly destroyed. Talk about adding insult to injury.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, 60 percent of Americans think that a full-scale depression looms.

Of course we do! With clueless leaders spouting scare talk all day and all night, only the bravest of us can keep the faith. What's surprising is that no one has jumped out the window.

The best thing everyone in Washington can do is go home and shut up.

The crisis of confidence in American government is one of the most important forces driving down the markets.

As long as the players remain the same, bailouts and massive cash infusions will not save us. Rather than stabilizing, the problems are spreading throughout the globe.

The Wall Street massacre is the final straw in American's long disillusionment with Bush and Congress.

In a report issued by the Center for Public Leadership, our trust in government has been plunging since Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Nearly 80 percent feel that unless it gets better leaders, the country will decline, while 51 percent believe that the United States has fallen behind other nations, most specifically China.

And about two-thirds say that today's leaders pale in comparison with those of 20 years ago, when Ronald Reagan was still in the White House.

The tragedy is that in Washington it's the blind leading the blind. Outside advice is neither asked for nor listened to. And financial experts had valuable opinions on how to save Wall Street.

They were universally ignored.

William Isaac, the chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. from 1981 to 1985, is adamant that banks do not need taxpayer bailouts but instead require accounting and regulatory policies that will give them time to work through their bad loan portfolios.

According to Isaac, America dealt with far more serious credit problems in the 1980s during a much harsher economic environment. At that time, about 3,000 bank and thrift failures were handled without creating the depositor panics and massive instability in the financial system that we have today.

Certain that the current bailout will be a failure, Isaac proposed instead what worked during the saving and loan debacle — the "net worth certificate" that eliminated a $100 billion insolvency at a cost of only $2 billion to taxpayers.

The goal was to implement a program to ease the fears of depositors and other general creditors of banks, as well as to keep tight restrictions on short sellers of financial stocks.

Here's how it worked:

The FDIC purchased net worth certificates in troubled but salvageable banks. Participating banks agreed to strict supervision from the FDIC, including oversight of executive compensation of top executives.

Little taxpayer money was involved. Instead, the FDIC paid for the net worth certificates by issuing senior notes. Fundamentally, the certificates were an effective accounting gimmick that made the banks appear better capitalized than they actually were.

If enacted today, the net worth certificate would, as it did 20 years ago, bolster the capital position of banks with troubled real estate holdings and give them the ability to both sell and restructure their bad loan portfolios.

Isaac's solution is creative, a quality missing in today's Washington. The federal government's choice to throw $700 billion at the mortgage securities market is a poor risk-to-reward gamble.

But why should Washington spend time on imaginative ways out when it is so much quicker and easier to bill the taxpayer?

Joe Guzzardi was an investment banker for more than two decades during an era when Wall Street followed sound economic policies. Contact him at guzzjoe@yahoo.com.

Reader Feedback

sam wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:57 PM:

" Lodian, I do know if you forget to mail in your ballot you can drop it off at your polling place. Buy, hey, vote right now and mail that puppy in NOW. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:43 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:51 PM:

" How Bush got re-elected, I'll never know. But there was something fishy going on in Florida and Ohio. I hope this election is fair. "

I think Ohio may be this years Florida. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:39 PM:

" Anyone know when the vote by mail ballot has to be in? "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:08 PM:

" Sam-

As a Democrat, I have always liked McCain. But, he has changed. I think the political machine got to him because he doesn't seem to be the man he was in 2000. He used to stand up for what was right for the People, whether his party agreed or not, and I respected that. But this year he is different and that is disappointing. "

sam wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:25 PM:

" 4AStrongLodi, Baby Bush was re-elected because of republicans like ME. I was stupid enough to listen to their lies and scare tactics.

Everything that comes from both parties I run through www.snopes.com or www.factcheck.org.

We already all voted for Obama. Too much garbage coming from McCain.

I even donated to McCain's campaign in 2000. He was a different man back then. He used to hate the lies and smear tactics. Now he is using the same guys who smeared him.

GO OBAMA. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:51 PM:

" How Bush got re-elected, I'll never know. But there was something fishy going on in Florida and Ohio. I hope this election is fair. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Election Year: You betcha! These are the kinds of people Palin can impress. The only way she could impress them more would be to show up on the stump barefoot and pregnant with a shotgun and a fresh kill slung over her shoulder. Oh, and don't forget that red, white and blue bikini! What a woman! LOL! "

Election Year wrote on Oct 19, 2008 2:59 AM:

" I think Palin means places like Johnstown, Pennsylvania where, while waiting to enter a Palin event, they yell out randomly to anyone who will listen, "Obama bin Laden," and display a stuffed monkey named "Hussein" wearing an Obama headband while laughing as if it was (and probably is) the most clever thing they ever thought of in their lives. She also means places like the Inland Empire in SoCal where they view fried chicken, watermelon, ribs and foodstamps as fundamentally American and not at all associated with racist stereotypes. How silly - I love all of those things, especially the foodstamps! And I'm not even black!

But what I really think Palin means is "I can make any inane comment to my adoring public because, like me, they are lacking in intelligence and wouldn't question the complete stupidity of the remarks that just fall out of my mouth." "

Election Year wrote on Oct 19, 2008 2:34 AM:

" Not a "soul in America?" Nice to know Brian has decided to represent for all citizens of the US. "

Brian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:28 PM:

" Zero Tax Relief From Obama:


Even though there isnt a soul in America that believes him, Barack Obama has been running around the country claiming to support a tax cut for the overwhelming majority of Americans. With that in mind, I was happy to see this piece by Newt Gingrich and Peter Ferrara in the Weekly Standard on taxes.

Gingrich and Ferrara argue that most of Obamas tax cuts are for people who dont actually pay taxes thanks to the low tax policies of President Reagan, President Bush, and Gingrichs Congress.

The merits of Obamas plan are of course debatable even though the plan is misguided, but what people need to be aware of is that Obamas plan does not reduce the amount of money taxpayers are forced to send to the government. Under Obamas plan, those who actually pay taxes will continue to pay through the nose while those who dont will receive even more money they did not earn. You could call it lipstick on a pig, but Id rather call it That 70s Show. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:33 PM:

" Election year wrote "The woman claims that she loves to visit the "pro-American" parts of the country"

Election year: What the heck does Palin mean by "pro-American" parts of the country? And where are they located? "

Election Year wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:43 AM:

" Brian at 4:01 PM - Yeah, right you are again! And what was that "more we are hearing about Obama?" The already discredited trash that FAMILY VALUES representative Lady Sarah has been talking about?...The woman claims that she loves to visit the "pro-American" parts of the country - whoa, I've never seen her in Lodi - guess we're not worthy (or pro-American)! "

Election Year wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:36 AM:

" Cogito: Once again your comments are the voice of ignorance. Please elaborate (with verifiable facts) on how ACORN is "rigging" the election (and obviously Obama, by proxy). I suggest that you travel to Ohio on election day and see if Mickey Mouse and the Dallas Cowboys show up to vote. This is nothing more than another overblown news item to discredit the Dem candidate - unless of course you are a die-hard conspiracy theorist. Watch out for the boogey men in your closet! "

Election Year wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:29 AM:

" To the very first comments by lodisafeway - you must be kidding us about Sarah Palin. She is nothing more than corruption wrapped in "pretty paper." The more we discover about her "maverick" governing of Alaska, the more laughable her nomination becomes. She's definitely a great "family values" candidate - so much so that her husband, Todd, (according to the report) has been allowed extraordinary access to the governor's office. What can we expect when McCain kicks it and Palin and Palin are installed in the Oval Office? Makes one wonder who is actually running the state of Alaska, Sarah or Todd? "

Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:56 PM:

" Wtf, the vote is being rigged by ACORN. The people Obama has given money to. He's from Chicago. The dirtiest political machine in the history of our country. Give me a break! "

wtf wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:12 PM:

" Brian, the only way McLame can win is if the neocons rig the vote ***again*** "

Brian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:01 PM:

" I'm quite confident that McCain will win. The more we hear about Obama in these last days of the election the more he is likely to lose. " "

Brian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 4:00 PM:

" http://www.gallup.com/poll/108445/Americans-Oppose-Income-Redistribution-Fix-Economy.aspx

This Gallup poll back in June shows even 77 percent of Democrats polled are opposed to redistribution of wealth, the centerpiece of Obama's economic plan. "

wtf wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:24 PM:

" Real Men Write In Ron Paul

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5233.html


Great Ron Paul interview on CNN this morning!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/ron.paul.qa/#cnnSTCVideo


***Paulson's a corrupt jerk***


Paulson expresses regret for mistakes leading to biggest financial crisis in 7 decades

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081016/meltdown_paulson.html "

Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:25 AM:

" lodian, the only gold I've invested in over the last couple of years is in a tooth, but I got that going for me. If things get real good in the gold market, it's a molar, no one will notice. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:23 AM:

" O.K. Lodian, I trust you, I'll probably say in. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Cogito: Yes, listen to Warren Buffet. He is very wise and has the financial wealth to prove his brilliance. Stay in the market, no matter who wins in November. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Cogito: What I meant was that you must have invested in gold awhile back as it has gone up substantially as of late. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:25 AM:

" Have you people heard the latest quotes from Warren Buffet? He says "cash is trash". "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful". He also said "Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable, they shouldn't. They have opted for a terrible long term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value". While I may disagree with Buffet on his politics, I bow to his proven acumen in the market. You should too, if your smart. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:46 AM:

" Oh yeah, I meant to add "chuckle" on that last one. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:02 PM:

" Wtf, I've never day traded in my life. Sell orders forced my hand. But, profit is profit. The only stock left standing is GM. And, I may be wrong on that one too. I may wait a few more days for my broker to get home from Europe, but I'm going back in. The only thing that scares me is the potential economic damage that could be done by Obama's policies. I may get out as much as possible if he gets elected. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:57 PM:

" Lodian, gold is horrible right now. If the economy were truly that bad, gold would be better. This is a market being driven by fear, egged on by the media in order to plant an hysterical contagion amongst the populace in order to improve their inferior candidates chances of winning the election. Warren Buffet is buying in big, need I say more? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Cogito: Profits? You must have invested in gold. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Giovanina, was that you at the McCain rally last week? "

wtf wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:57 AM:

" Cogito wrote: "...I made some tidy little profits in only 3 days using sell orders..."

Good for you, Cogito; but it sounds like you might be into day trading which is really nothing more than gambling and not even close to true investing.

That's the only way I can figure you making profits with the market churning the way it is....unless you're a crony of Bushco and are making your profits on the backs of everyone else. LOL!

The chart today looks like you're taking a huge risk...but it's your money (I think)

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/DJZ8 "

Cogito wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:45 AM:

" The U.S. has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world ( Japan #1). All those socialist Europeans have lower corporate tax rates than us. If you pay less taxes, your production costs are lower, thus making your product potentially more affordable so more people can buy it. If more people are buying it, you need to hire more people to make it. Simple as that. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Giovanna, this is according to "usconstitution.net": "anyone born outside the U.S., if one parent is an alien, and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years.....anyone falling into this category is considered natural born and is eligible to run for president or vice-president". I think Obama falls into this category. Don't believe what some people tell you. "

Brian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:52 AM:

" http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23250.html

Study Says Labor Would Benefit Most From Corporate Income Tax Rate Cut "

Brian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:50 AM:

" http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22963.html

More countries move to simpler, lower taxes "

Brian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:49 AM:

" http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23584.html

Summary of Freddie and Fannie bailout "

T & C wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:47 AM:

" The Demos have "Controlled the "Senate and the House" for 2 years and LOOK at the Mess America is in! NOW anti-Republican foes want to ADD a DEMO PRESIDENT to the mix! That's like Twisting the knife in each of us! A Demo House, Senate and President will enable the Demo's to push thru ALL the Social Programs they want! Social programs DO NOT and Will NOT help stabilize America! Monthly checks for drug addicts and Alcoholics simply give them more money for their HIGH! "

Brian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:06 AM:

" http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23549.html

Obama favors raises taxes on veterans. "

Giovanina wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:46 AM:

" When is Obama going to reveal that "official" U.S. birth certificate? He can't as he was born in Kenya, and lost whatever citizenship he had to becaome a citizen of Indonesia, a country that does not allow dual citizenship. So where is it? "

Giovanina wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:44 AM:

" to wtf: Funny, after 2 years of a Democrat controlled Congress, it got 10 times worse.

There is blame on both sides. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Well wtf, I made some tidy little profits in only 3 days using sell orders. AND, I'm reinvesting it come Friday or Tuesday. The only thing that scares me about the current market is what a wealth redistributing Marxist could do to it if he wins the White House. "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:01 PM:

" This just underscores what I've been saying about the vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the current U.S. government - INCLUDING the two "debating" tonight. "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:00 PM:

" Did you see what the markets closed at?

Dow Jones W-A-A-A-A-Y DOWN 858 points

NASDAQ W-A-A-A-Y DOWN 137 points

S&P W-A-A-A-A-Y DOWN 99 points "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:54 AM:

" I always wondered what our country would be like if the Republican Party had complete control. Well I don't need to wonder anymore.

The result of Republican leadership:

1. Over 4000 young Americans DEAD in Iraq.

2. Dozens of Republicans convicted of Sex Crimes.

3. Our President signing off on prisoner torture.

4. Putting the entire tax burden on the low income families.

5. Now, America going broke, can you imagine that?

6. You could help me add hundreds of items to this list, but isn't this enough?

FOR GOD'S SAKE ... DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN !!!


***UNLESS*** the GOP has McLame step down, taking Caribou Barbie with him, and puts Ron Paul on the ballot.... "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Poll Says McCain Hurts His Bid by Using Attacks

The McCain campaigns recent angry tone and sharply personal attacks on Senator Barack Obama appear to have backfired and tarnished Senator John McCain more than their intended target, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/us/politics/15poll.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


I keep saying that the GOP should dump McLame....he's the BIGGEST loser along with his wannabe VP, Palin.

Put it this way, when the Chimp comes on TV, I either leave the room, turn the TV off or change the channel.

McLame is getting so hard to stomach, I'm **already** doing the same thing and this guy hasn't even been (s)elected yet! "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:34 AM:

" The Republican party
could have had this...

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/444.html




Instead it went with this...

(scroll down on video page to Sarah Palin)

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/444.html


Maybe that's why

Obama Takes Big Lead In Poll

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=JBBMx60GZDQ


BUT at the end of the above video, the news guy says that it's McLame who seems to be more prepared to become the next pResident of the White House....

Here's why


http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Well, Cogito, you just got your wish. LOL!

The Dow Jones is now DOWN 562 points

The NASDAQ is now DOWN 81 points

The S&P is now DOWN 58.80 points "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Smaller Banks Resist Federal Cash Infusions

According to a new Washington Post article, not every bank is getting in line for the Treasury's plan to "inject capital" into the banking system. Many of the smaller banks who kept their houses in decent order are angry about Paulson's move, and the response to the plan has not been as overwhelming as the administration hoped. What's a federal government to do? What else? Tell them the "regulators" will be watching, i.e. eventually force them to comply anyways.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/14/AR2008101403378_pf.html "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Video in question - NOT for the "usual suspects"

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=2069 "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:19 AM:

" The "usual suspects" need not look at this video...for others, it might bring back memories....

McSame made his photo op journey to visit the region of Tropical Storm Gustav because he was terrified Ron Paul was in town....and well he should have been.

Take a look at those pics! There were more people at the Rally for the Republic than there were at the RNC. LOL!

And for those who didn't know....McSame's people tried to get the mayor of the town where the Rally was held to cancel Ron Paul's permit to hold it.

Figures....

Thank GOD there are still officials who stand their ground because the Rally took place and McSame doddered around down south like he dodders around everywhere he goes. LOL!

The GOP should just dump McLame and put Ron Paul on the ticket. "

wtf wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:25 AM:

" I'm glad you're making money, Cogito, and you just might get your wish. As of my typing this, the

Dow Jones is DOWN (again!) 387 points

the NASDAQ is DOWN 49 points

the S&P is DOWN 45.30 points

What I am getting at is the vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the U.S. government - BOTH parties - Democrat and Republican - since this administration's poll numbers are w-a-a-a-y down.

The MSM keeps spinning it every which way....yesterday it was profit taking, today it's something else, and tomorrow it will be yet another thing.

The bottom line is that the markets are moving back DOWN to where they were last week and this is a reflection on how this once great nation is currently being destroyed by these buffoons.

Also, the fact that the markets are STILL heading DOWN and the "pResidential" debates are on tonight, shows that either of the newbies will be just as bad, and Obama and McSame are receivng votes of NO CONFIDENCE as well. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Wtf, if the Dow were to drop 500 points, I would still be up 5% in two days. That's as good as you can get for a year in most fixed investments. I put sell orders in at -25% of profits. Usually I'm tighter in a less volatile market. Read a book called "Rule #1", by Phil Towne (I think), it explains a lot of things I do. He's big on using sell orders to enforce rule #1, which is "don't lose money". "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:13 PM:

" This is about what's happening....

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2959 "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:38 PM:

" sam, land is always a favorite of mine! Make sure there's water and try to get the mineral rights if possible. ;)

I really don't need to watch the markets, I already know they'll go down again because D.C. isn't done tinkering with things yet.

This video is great. Except for rare individuals, **most** people today have not been able to give their children what they had growing up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk05GjcsAU8 "

sam wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:26 PM:

" wtf, my favorite purchase right now is land.

AND, wtf, quit watching the stock market right now... you will go crazy. "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Between writing and posting my last post, the

Dow Jones just dropped DOWN 278 points

- a further DROP of 100 points

NASDAQ just dropped DOWN 88.50 points

- a further DROP of 18 points

S&P just dropped DOWN 15.20 points

- a further DROP of .50 points "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Cogito and sam I wish you the best of luck with your investment as long as you have enough to cover any extreme market fluctuations and any market calls. Good luck!

Me? I guess I'm just plain old-fashioned and overly cautious. The markets are too unstable for me right now and churning way too much.

Since my last post at 10:20 AM, I see the

Dow Jones is DOWN (again!) 178 points

- that's a further drop of 125 points

NASDAQ is DOWN again 69.50 points

- that's a further drop of 21 points

the S&P is DOWN again 14.70 points

- that's a further drop of 11 points "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:37 AM:

" As usual, Ron Paul called it....this was written on March 17 - almost seven months ago.

Legislative Forecast for 2008

"Efforts by the Federal Reserve to stave off recession will have the net effect of only blowing the bubble bigger, making the crash that much more painful when it inevitably comes. The malinvestments caused by easy credit in the housing industry will be prolonged by more easy credit. New programs and laws will be enacted to prop up housing, all with a falling dollar, devalued by continued foreign interventions. The crisis in the housing market will spread and Im afraid we are in for some rough economic times.

"Moreover, the government will require more money than ever this year, and as funding options run out, taxes will go up...The new programs started to help the country will require extra money wherever the government can squeeze it out of you, unfortunately it will be at exactly the moment you can least afford it."


Hmmmm....didn't we just have a bailout? "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:30 AM:

" Good video

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=1961

Great articles

http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14_paul,blog,999,All,Item%20not%20found,ID=081014_2471,TEMPLATE=postingdetail.shtml "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:26 AM:

" This from an interesting article that includes a very revealing table:

I do not believe this includes the $25 billion bailout to the American car companies; Nancy Pelosi's $150 billion bailout of the state and local governments; the extra $35 billion requested by AIG; and Barack Obama's promise of $115 billion walking around money to ensure people go to the polls in November to vote for him. All of that will put at about 2.1 trillion if you're keeping track at home.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=1979 "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Cogito, do you know what a 1-2-3 bottom is? "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Cogito where are you getting your info from? I just looked at the charts and the Dow Jones is DOWN 53 points.

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/marketquotes/quickquote.php3?sel=Dow+JIA

The NASDAQ is DOWN 48.50 points

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/marketquotes/quickquote.php3?sel=Dow+JIA

The S&P is DOWN 3.70 points

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/marketquotes/quickquote.php3?sel=Dow+JIA

Again, these are real time charts so the prices fluctuate. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Buy buy buy! :-) "

Cogito wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Wtf, yesterday we saw the biggest % gain in the market since 1933. You would have to expect some profit taking today, UNLESS there is still more profits to be made. As I write this, the Dow is UP for the day. I'm hoping for a little pullback, I'm in for the long term. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Sam, if there's ANYTHING shady going on with the Palin's house, trust me, the media will be all over it. Look how intrusive they have already been in her life. It's obvious, the msm hates her. She's not the woman they picked. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Sam, I agree, there are a lot of good stocks available at fire sale prices right now. A lot of the sell off is from people fearful of losing everything, egged on by the medias fomenting of it. Like they taught us in college, buy at "fear" and sell at "greed". Always good advice. "

sam wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:37 AM:

" wtf, I am putting more money in my insured money market accounts now, but I am still also buying stocks. I do love the cheap price prices.

I personally believe that if you are investing in the stock market, make sure you do not need that money. It may disappear. I do not trust Wall Street. "

sam wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:33 AM:

" Cog, my portfolio is doing well too. I personally think this whole crash is being manipulated and over blown by politics. My take only.

Hey, I did look up the info on Palin's house. Todd said he built it himself with his buddies for free ... the same time the center was built. You do not have to file any permits in Alaska when building a home. Check it out yourself. Look at the house and tell me if you believe they could build it for free. "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:32 AM:

" A few minutes later, and the Dow Jones is DOWN 133 points; the NASDAQ is DOWN 67.50 points and the S&P is DOWN 14.70 points.

Like I've been saying, it's a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the U.S. government.

Also, I usually use the weekly charts when checking trading. The ones I linked to earlier were the Intra-Day charts.

These are the Weekly charts and they tell a different story:

Dow Jones
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/DJ/W

NASDAQ
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/ND/W

S&P
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/SP/W "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:11 AM:

" The idea of buying is a good one, Cogito; but the time is not yet right because the markets haven't bottomed out yet. And you are sadly mistaken....it's NOT just an MSM story; unfortunately, the "rally" yesterday was the propaganda. Here are today's charts if you think the decline was fake.

Dow Jones
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/DJZ8

NASDAQ
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/NDZ8

S&P
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/intraday/SPZ8

These are real time charts so the numbers will be constantly changing throughout the day. "

wtf wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:06 AM:

" This is what I was concerned about. Trading has just started and already the markets are, once again, heading south. Still, the day isn't over yet and they could rebound; but I doubt it.

Dow Jones DOWN 108 points

NASDAQ DOWN 53.50 points

S&P DOWN 10.90 points "

DanielH wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:24 PM:

" I saw CNN on someone elses television today, and they featured Obama on "J-O-B-S." Since CNN showed us ALL CAPS AND DASHES, we are assured that the United States won't have any problem with Jobs if its citizens elect Obama, even though CNN never connected his microphone to the citizenry's televisions.

CNN instructed the citizens to vote for Obama by informing them that the polls favored Obama 52% - 40%. Now, the US Citizens know how to vote. "

Cogito wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:34 PM:

" I think that if the free house story were true, the real bloodsuckers in the msm would be all over it. You wouldn't have read it on a LNS blog. WTF the main reason the media is all over the market story is that they are trying to make the country look as bad as they can to better their candidates chances. I'm sorry you buy into what their selling and aren't going to make some money on the unfounded paranoia of the fools. I infused my portfolio with a 7% increase last week and made over 10% today, yeah, in one day. I'm hoping for another pullback tomorrow so I can add another 7%. Good times! "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:07 PM:

" sam wrote: "I actually heard today that Obama was a vampire. But of course he is."

I think 99.9% of all politicians fall into the "bloodsucker" category. ;) "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:06 PM:

" sam wrote: "James Garner is a MAVERICK.
Gollum is not."

ROFLMAO!!!!

Did you make that one up? LOL! It's priceless!!

About the builders building the sports center, then Palin's (?) home...no, I haven't heard that.

Do you happen to have a link?

Inquiring minds want to know! ;) "

sam wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:55 PM:

" James Garner is a MAVERICK.

Gollum is not. "

sam wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:47 PM:

" I actually heard today that Obama was a vampire.

But of course he is. "

sam wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:46 PM:

" "Even Gov. Charlie Crist, who helped deliver Florida for McCain during the primary, said he will be spending more time minding the state's weak economy than campaigning for the Arizona senator in the final weeks before Election Day."

"For the first time in more than a decade, Florida Republicans are considering the almost unthinkable: Their presidential nominee could lose the state." (The Miami Herald)

He missed the last McCain election event and went to Disney World instead. Good idea. "

sam wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:39 PM:

" wtf, I just heard the builders of the Wasilla 14.7 million dollar sports center then built her home for free.

Have you heard that? "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:19 PM:

" I know I bag on McCain a lot so here's one for all you Obama supporters.

Personally I think BOTH Obama AND McCain supporters are scary!!! LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:48 PM:

" I wouldn't start crowing just yet, Cogito. LOL! Regular trading doesn't start until tomorrow. At this point, I'm cautiously optimistic; but for some reason, I keep feeling like today's rally was just a "come on" and tomorrow the markets will tank again.

In other news....

Republican leaders break ranks with McCain

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/republican-leaders-break-ranks--with-mccain-959301.html "

Cogito wrote on Oct 13, 2008 2:05 PM:

" Just a note to all of you who bailed out of the market last week: Idiots! Thats what you get for listening to the msm about what amounted to only the 3rd largest drop in the market (S&P index) since 1973. All that "depression" talk may have been a little overstated. It's still too bad that the savers will be on the hook for the squanderers. "

Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:58 PM:

" So taxpayers were literally getting screwed. "

MARZO2008 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:57 PM:

" yes T&C we are going to vote for Obama. So people like you can go live in another country. leave and not a word. you claim many things but do nothing. words don't help action does. you say there are bums near your house. do something about it. help get working again or off drugs. make a difference. all i hear from you is what about this what about that. "

DanielH wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:32 PM:

" wtf: That's hillarious. Government was running the Mustang Ranch, at taxpayer expense? "

DanielH wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Joe: Don't complain. US Citizens got rid of that Ron Paul guy. Whatever did he know about America's finances and economy, anyway. "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Forrest Gump explains the mortgage crisis

Mortgage Backed Securities are like boxes of chocolates. Criminals on Wall Street stole a few chocolates from the boxes and replaced them with turds. Their criminal buddies at Standard & Poor rated these boxes AAA Investment Grade chocolates. These boxes were then sold all over the world to investors. Eventually somebody bites into a turd and discovers the crime. Suddenly nobody trusts American chocolates anymore worldwide.

Hank Paulson now wants the American taxpayers to buy up and hold all these boxes of turd-infested chocolates for $700 billion dollars until the market for turds returns to normal. Meanwhile, Hank's buddies, the Wall Street criminals who stole all the good chocolates are not being investigated, arrested, or indicted.

Mama always said: 'Sniff the chocolates first Forrest'. "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:34 AM:

" It looks like the markets have improved somewhat today; still, I'm cautious. Hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling they'll nosedive again tomorrow. "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Back in 1990 the government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel
in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to
run it.

They failed and it closed.

Now we are trusting the economy of our country to a pack of nit-wits
who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling booze? "

Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Brian, when it comes from you, it is definitely meaningless. "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Why McCain's health matters

Last week a full-page ad appeared in The New York Times with the names of 2,768 doctors who call on Sen. John McCain to issue a full, public release of his medical records.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081010/OPINION12/810100390/1002/OPINION "

T & C wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:36 AM:

" Every candidate has comments, ideas and solutions but readers here are MISSING THE POINT! A president needs 2/3 majority of the senate AND House to pass any measure presented! So Ron Paul can talk the talk, just like Obama and McCain, but the bottom line is this: "Without 2/3 majority NOTHING WILL BE PASSED"! Presidential candidates love promising every group of voters EVERYTHING they want to hear! "

T & C wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:32 AM:

" Anyone who BELIEVES that Ron Paul, if he was elected, could gain the support of DEMO's or REPUB's...to pass any bill is dreaming! Demo's nor Repub's "OWE NO ALLEGIENCE" to an independent! Anyone running for political office just wants a hand in the cookie jar! "

T & C wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Any potential Presidential Candidate who attended a church with a Preacher... who spews hate against America or white people for 20 years and NOT be affected scares the hell out of me! We are doomed....but everyone will vote for Obama anyway because they hate Republicans! And you think things couldn't get worse? "Vote for Obama", "You'll see"! "

T & C wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:25 AM:

" I agree with you lodisafeway! "

T & C wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:24 AM:

" It will be a HUGE Landslide victory for the DEMO's this time around, NOT because the demos and their "Social Program" monthly checks will save the country, and weaken our border security, and weaken our military, "But solely because "the American people are tired of the destruction the Republicans have done to our Economy and life savings!" Now it will be the demo's turn to bring America, to her knees one final time! Voting Demo simply because we hate Republicans is the Wrong reason to vote Demo! Voting Demo just to give 12 million illegals "Immediate citizenship" without any pressure to learn about our culture, nor learn to read, write, and speak English, is not a reason to vote DEMO...but "We the people" HAVE NO CHOICE! May God Help us when Obama is president! "

Brian wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Bobhussslob, You are aware that Obama has ties to Kenyan politicians and he may just appoint some of these freaks to his cabinet?

This is a serious matter.

But you'll just take this warning of the disaster Obama could be in the White House as a meaningless blogg. "

Brian wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:45 AM:

" Joe, unfortunately it may be too late to convince those voting for Obama that he's a disaster waitng to happen and they should have second thoughts. "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:43 AM:

" Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

John McCain Is a Liberal Gun Grabber

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/mccain_gungrabber_101308.html "

wtf wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:19 AM:

" Bob you said it, yourself, "These are meaningless blogs in a second-rate newspaper in a middle-of-nowhere town."

So why are you and lodisafeway taking on the role of "Blog Police"? If it's **so** unimportant, as you say, why are you even posting here when there are so many other articles to post to in the paper?

Methinks you doth protest too much, sir!

**And** I've noticed that your type of posts - whether from yourself or one of your cohorts - always seem to show up when I mention Ron Paul.

So, again, I will ask you, if these are meaningless blogs in a second-rate newspaper in a middle-of-nowhere town, why are YOU so concerned? "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:44 PM:

" wtf: You take yourself way too seriously. These are meaningless blogs in a second-rate newspaper in a middle-of-nowhere town. Get over yourself and your blabber and just have some fun.

In the words of the great Sergeant Hulka, "Lighten up Francis." "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:39 PM:

" again, blahblahblah. "

wtf wrote on Oct 12, 2008 3:54 PM:

" To lodisafeway and Bob Hussein Loblaw:

And what did you write?

lodisafeway wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:54 PM:
" Perhaps blogger wtf doesn't understand the definition of "ramble" as he/she indicated he/she would do in his/her post of October 11 at 9:50 a.m.

One thing is certain, however is that from that post forward, my "ears" were certainly deafened to anything else he/she had to "say." "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:12 PM:
"I agree with safeway on this one. wtf -- your blogs are so long that most people just scroll right past them. Try to keep it short and sweet."


Interesting....I don't see anything by either of you addressing Joe's article; just some off the wall comments about my posts.

And your point is?

You are not the only people reading the blogs; there are some who enjoy what I write; if you don't like it, don't read it or write your own commentary on the article in question.

I've noticed certain bloggers, like yourselves, whose main objective is critiquing others and not really saying anything at all.

Why is that? "

wtf wrote on Oct 12, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Ron Paul is already on Montana's ballot as a choice for president; now he's on Louisiana's

Paul added to Louisiana presidential ballot

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20081012/NEWS01/810120333

Sure would be nice to see him on ALL the states' ballots. The GOP needs McCain to step down for health reasons. I'm not the only one concerned with McCain, either.

Bipartisan Concern About the Dangers of McPalins Hate-Mongering

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/102538/bipartisan_concern_about_the_dangers_of_mcpalin%E2%80%99s_hate-mongering/ "

edumacation wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:05 AM:

" We must be cautious because we have one of those DUD politicians running again for city council. Read and vote very carefully. Does this person have the required state license that is required for their alleged part-time occupation as "semi-retired"? Look it up. A house of cards starts with a foundation of exaggerations. "

edumacation wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Our leaders are not "clueless", they know exactly what they are doing. Its called Quid Pro Quo. It seems that they all have their own price. "

Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:12 PM:

" I agree with safeway on this one. wtf -- your blogs are so long that most people just scroll right past them. Try to keep it short and sweet. "

lodisafeway wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Perhaps blogger wtf doesn't understand the definition of "ramble" as he/she indicated he/she would do in his/her post of October 11 at 9:50 a.m.

One thing is certain, however is that from that post forward, my "ears" were certainly deafened to anything else he/she had to "say." "

wtf wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Just for Laughs...Central Banking Explained

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=1773


Cavuto Interviews Ron Paul, 10/11/08

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=1777 "

wtf wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:11 PM:

" For those who still think Ron Paul is "unelectable" he's on the Montana ballot as a choice for President of the United States and will be the deciding factor in that state.

Ron Paul To Be The Decider In Montana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgt6egzgBIg "

wtf wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:51 AM:

" Reading Joe's article, I had a thought as to what could be happening.

Take Neel Kashkari, Interim Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability and Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Economics and Development, for example.

Another way of looking at his name would be: Cash Carry

Hmmmmm.....the Treasury steals Americans' CASH and CARR(IES) it off?

Taking this further, what about Obama?

Barack HUSSEIN Obama can become in people's minds:

Barack (SADDAM) Hussein (OSAMA BIN LADIN) Obama.

McCain?

Why he's the "real" McCoy....

Joe Biden, well what do you know, Joe, just "biden" your time to become prez?

What about Palin?

That's easy.

She's a female and all the men looking at her want to (IM)pale Palin with you know what.

Then there's Ron Paul who a lot of people get confused with RU-PAUL, the drag queen, which is probably why RON Paul was laughed at and ignored.

Sounds almost Rovian to me. LOL! "

wtf wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Ron Paul endorsed five GOP