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Another woman reports drug-related rape

By Layla Bohm
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:57 AM PDT

Another Lodi woman has reported being raped after someone may have slipped a drug into her drink, bringing the total of such victims to six.

The report landed Tuesday on the desk of Lodi Police Detective Virginia Elder, who is investigating the other cases. She was preparing Tuesday to forward her reports to prosecutors, asking them to consider charges against four suspects.

The women, who are in their early to mid-20s, all made the reports since mid-September. One case involved two victims with one suspect, and the others were separate.

So far, there is no apparent connection between the suspects, Elder said. But in each case, the women said they had something to drink and then had no idea what happened — common symptoms of so-called date rape drugs.

The victims were at Lodi bars, which have cooperated with police, Elder said Tuesday. The suspects are not bar employees.

Elder is awaiting test results to see if date rape drugs — usually GHB, rohypnol or ketamine — turn up in the victims' blood.

The drugs don't stay in the body for long, and sometimes victims aren't fully aware of what happened to them. The drugs, which dissolve in liquid, can cause memory loss and act as anesthetics.

Victims sometimes blame themselves because they were drinking alcohol, but Elder said they are still victims, and encouraged them to call police. In one of the cases, the woman said she'd only been drinking soda.

Whether the suspects will face charges is up to prosecutors, who weigh legal issues and determine if there is enough evidence of a crime.

After the News-Sentinel reported on the string of rape reports Saturday, a woman contacted the newspaper and said that, on separate nights last week, her daughter and her daughter's friend had "close calls." Both were out with good friends who got them safely home, but both believed something had been slipped into their drinks.

Police encourage people to never let go of their drinks, to get the drinks directly from the bartender and to go out with trustworthy friends.

Contact reporter Layla Bohm at layla@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:11 PM:

" T & C still fails to focus on the rapists being criminals and that these woman were drugged and raped. T & C dances around it in all sorts of ways but his bottom line seems to be empathy for the rapist. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:06 AM:

" 4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:13 PM: "T & C obviously has issues with women."


4AStrongLodi: That is very clear indeed. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:05 AM:

" T & C wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:14 PM:

" Wrong is wrong , I am the first to agree, but totally innocent???? No I think putting ones self in harms way, knowing guys are going to hit on you, buy you smokes, drinks, and anything else "Just to get lucky" is absolutely common place in any Lodi Bar!

Knock out drinks", slipped into one's drink, often times is done when a gal is well on her way to being drunk! That said,I believe that "Barytenders has a "Responsibility" tto try to watch out for their female customers welfare, but then I know that isn't reality! Drinks, drinks, drinks is the plan in any bar!

Sorry to hear this Police Officer hopeful, placed herself in a position for someone to commit this crime! I guess she had no gal friends to go out dinking with, or no male escort to have a good time with, which "Made her a target"! Not drinking in a bar could have well prevented this unfortunate crime! Be grateful that you were not killed, which could have been the worst case scenerio! " "

amc wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:45 PM:

" Well well well- seems like the Lodi PD just arrested 2 men in the rape case. Justice will be served.
And as for apologies the only ones that will be considered are those apologies from you T &C to the women who you pointed your finger at. These women were raped and it was premeditated. I'm sure the Prosecutor will also take that in account. I doubt the women would even accept your apology because all of us who blogged know from your comments where you stand.You sad sad man "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:13 PM:

" T & C obviously has issues with women.

Hey T & C - Did mommy not hug you enough when you were a kid?

There are more bitter, angry men in this town than women. And, the women who are bitter are that way because of men like you. You alleging that they have any responsibility in getting raped...or crying foul about it...is unbelievable.

No one should fear for their safety when going to any establishment...not even a bar. This isn't the middle ages.

Besides, the law protects everyone from false incrimination and that's unfortunately why so many rapists go free. There isn't always enough evidence to prosecute, so a guilty person goes free. It's one person's word against another. They'll do it again and create another victim. "

Oh Bull ! wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:49 PM:

" T & C "playing Devils Advocate" you have a very sick and unfunny sense of "playing" Don't accept me to apologize or even think that you deserve one from any of the other bloggers, you need help. By the way nice try to back peddle after a few good people thought you should be questioned I still believe you should be. After All i'm sure who ever did this horrible crime to these women probably wasn't drinking anyway. "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:39 PM:

" I believe bartenders everywhere have a "Personal responsibilty to not only educate female patrons, but to a certain degree try to be watchful of their safety! I know bartenders will say they are too busy serving booze and putting cash in the till to watch out for their women patrons! Perhaps that is "Part of the problem"? "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:37 PM:

" I was "Playing the devil's advocate, not speaking on behalf of any suspect. I made that very clear. It is disappointing to see several bloggers fail to comprehend what "Devil's advocate is"!

So let me help those who are unable to use their computer to locate what a "Devil's Advocate" means as related to this crime as reported:

Devil's Advocate: A devil's advocate is someone who argues against an idea, position, or cause for the sake of argument, rather than out of actual opposition. While a devil's advocate can simply play a contrary role, someone who argues against an idea can also stimulate discussion which can identify weak points in an argument which need to be addressed.

Now that everyone is better informed I accept all of your apologies! A wise person considers all possibilities. An unwise person sees only one thing and nothing else. Shame on narrow minded people who refuse to see other's points of views other then their own! "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Hey amc: I am not angry now or when I posted any of my comments. Why is so hard for you and others to not consider, if but only for a moment that there are "Bitter women in this world, who, if given the knowledge and opportunity could use the accusation of date rape against any man she did not like in a bar!" What chance does a man have in court or before a jury when the alleged drug is not in her system? Not a snow balls chance in hell! A false conviction will follow a man for the rest of his life! Just as a rape will follow a woman her life. I hope they can discover truth and facts to support charges and prosecute, and get these scum off the street. I was just trying to point out the area of weakness due to the drug not being in a victims system, especially if she does not comforward soon! It would be nice if we lived in a perfect world, but we don't. Try not to be so narrow minded and consider someone elses viewpoint! "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:25 PM:

" sorry to disappoint you 4AStrongLodi, but I have lived in Lodi for 5 years come January and have never been a bar. I do not drink! "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:24 PM:

" No person, man or woman deserves to be raped! "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:23 PM:

" You are ALL MISSING THE POINT I was trying to make! Let me try to make it again since many seem to be blind! I believe this type of crime is terrible, period! All I was trying to get across is the "Potential for a woman who has met a guy in a bar, and for whatever reason, she dislikes him enough to "Allege a possible date rape drug was used... "An innocent man is at the mercy of a prosecutor! Without evidence in her system of any date rape drug, it does not mean to a prosecutor or a jury that he is innocent! So what do each of those who have jumped on me, have to say about prosecuting, convicting, and screwing over an innocent man's future all in the pursuit of making sure all men accused of this crime are punished! Shame on each of you for only seeing one side of this crime! Shame on you! "

weezer wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:58 PM:

" In fairness to T&C, he started his comment with, "Playing the "Devil's Advocate"...

However, several complaints in the last few weeks is alarming enough that I don't think this is a case of "a woman who is unhappy with someone she met..."
There seems to be a pattern that I'd like to believe that in the end, some or all of these cases are connected.

And yes, rape is rape. "

Mrs. S. wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:09 PM:

" T & C, I feel sorry for any women in your life.

Since it seems like many creeps, not just one, are perpetrating this crime, perhaps local bars should spread the word and advise women never to leave their drinks unattended. "

amc wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:35 PM:

" T &C you are unbelievable. Either you enjoy the confrontation or you truely are twisted. Your thoughts and convictions are sooooo backwards. What are you hiding? What happened to you that has caused so much anger? There's group or individual couseling that can help you if its not tooooo late. I agree with antone-its time to get your affairs in order. "

antone wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:22 PM:

" T&C you seem to be following this case closely. Shouldn't you be getting your affairs together? "

marzo2008 wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:09 PM:

" This is a fine example of a person like T & C who thinks wrong. That's like saying that all victims "asked for it". Being at the wrong place at the wrong time. I myself prevented a rape from happening. I can tell that the victim was being followed. I kept my eye on the guy and he just followed her even into a Taco Bell. He can be her and said that he saw her friend down the street and if she needed a ride then he would take her there. she said nothing to him. I could see that she was afraid. He then said that he would be back to see if he could catch up to her friend. That is when i asked the manager to ask her if she was o.k. and that we would stay with her until she got a ride home. in the end she said thanks. Thank you for staying. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Yes, it sounds like T & C is a kindred spirit with these suspects. Maybe they should question him.

I love how he gets upset at the homeless people hanging out where he lives, but he has no ire for rapists.

Get your values in line! "

Oh Bull ! wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:21 AM:

" maybe they should bring T&C in and question him. His comments are unbelievable and just flat rude. "

sam wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:57 AM:

" T&C said "I see this type of crime as a CLEAR WAY for a woman who is unhappy with someone she met... to Allege this type of crime,"

So after your "rape" or should I say your sexual experience over the hood of your car, can we assume maybe you thought it would be fun, but found yourself later "unhappy" with the experience?

Rape is rape. No one asks for it. No one deserves it. "

sam wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:50 AM:

" T & C, imagine you going into a bar and having a beer. Someone slips a drug into the beer and you lose control. You wake up with 2 guys holding you face down over the hood of your car, while another rapes you from behind.

Now, were you asking for that because you had a beer? Were you asking for that because you acknowledged one of them as you walked in?

I think not. Rape is a disgusting crime. NO ONE ever, ever asks to be raped. "

4AStrongLodi wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:37 AM:

" T & C -

It's called RAPE and it's a horrible and life-altering crime. The VICTIM is not at fault. The police should and will investigate it to the fullest extent and prosecute the guilty.

If it were your sister or mother (you obviously couldn't be married, so I won't make that assumption), I'm sure you'd feel much different. "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:09 AM:

" Being the Devils Advocate... how many of us have the "GUTS" to admit that we got drunk, and made some bad choices with people we met in a bar, and later recall very little? It doesn't mean that a "Date Rape drug" tricked us into the situation, but rather the type and amount of booze we drank in a short time frame. One or more of these suspects may indeed be guilty, and then, none of them may be guilty. The fact that the drug stays in one's system a short time does not help a innocent man from being wrongly convicted. In all witch hunts, innocent people WILL go to jail or prison, and years later, as we often read, when the innocent man is released, the prosecutor hasn't even the guts to apologize to the poor man or woman who served years behind bars for a crime they did not commit! All I am trying to point out is that this type of crime, cannot easily be disproved, therefore, it is easy to convict! Scum deserve to be behind bars, but not innocent people! "

T & C wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Playing the "Devil's Advocate"...I see this type of crime as a CLEAR WAY for a woman who is unhappy with someone she met... to Allege this type of crime, "Days later" to make sure that there is NOTHING in her blood to detect. In such a CASE, the man has absolutely no defense against such a charge and he will do Jail or prison time! It is the price an innocent man pays when meeting and drinking with a woman at a bar. As for real slime that pulls off this type of crime, I do not think it will be an easy conviction without admission of guilt, and ALWAYS the prosecutor wants to PLEA BARGAIN to a lesser crime, just "SO HE CAN KEEP HIS CONVICTION RATE HIGH!" Its called JOB SECURITY. It also looks good on paper for a higher paying job! I hope each of these women recover with counseling and do not judge future men by the way these suspects treated them! "

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