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Weighing in on Prop. 8
Politics at local pulpits becoming a hot issue
Religious leaders are taking a firmer stand than they ever have on political issues this year, from the presidential election down to state ballot measures.
In Lodi, some evangelical pastors are asking their congregation to vote for Proposition 8, which would limit marriage in California to a man and a woman. In 2007, pastors spoke out against a cardroom opening on Cherokee Lane in Lodi, and in previous years they actively spoke out against sex-related businesses.
And for several years, Christian Community Concerns has issued a "voter's guide" in which local candidates give their views on moral issues like homosexuality and abortion.
Churches risk losing their tax-exempt status if they endorse specific candidates, but they are legally permitted to speak up on ballot measures such as Proposition 8.
Christian Community Concerns is leading the effort to spread the word about Proposition 8, urging pastors to promote the measure that would toss out the California Supreme Court's ruling in May that overturned a law banning gay marriage.
Violating federal law by endorsing candidates from the pulpit could be costly because churches rely on their nonprofit status to solicit contributions from their congregation.
Law professor John Sims, of McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento, says the law is quite reasonable.
Conservative pastors to test constitutionality of IRS law
Through the encouragement of the conservative Christian organization Alliance Defense Fund, more than 30 pastors throughout the nation intentionally violated federal law by preaching on Sept. 28 supporting political candidates. The organization termed the day "Pulpit Freedom Sunday."Since 1954, pastors have been forbidden from speaking for or against political candidates at their church. Failure to comply means that a church would lose its tax-exempt status.
"We believe that that law is unconstitutional, that it violates the First Amendment," said David Prather, pastor of the non-denominational Central Christian Church in Lancaster, one of three California churches to participate in Pulpit Freedom Sunday. "It needs to be challenged."
Saying he addressed his congregation this week on gay marriage and abortion, Prather said he would not vote for Democrat Barack Obama for president.
Prather said he doesn't think there's much of a chance that the Internal Revenue Service will remove his church's tax-exempt status.
"But we're willing to take the risk," he said. "We're responsible to God."
Law professor John Sims, from McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento, sees it a little differently. Many churches are fearful of the alliance's pending court challenge because it could result in all churches losing their tax-exempt status.
The IRS issued a brief statement about Pulpit Freedom Sunday: "We are aware of recent press reports. We are monitoring the situation and will take action as appropriate."
— News-Sentinel staff
"The government provides churches a large subsidy in tax-exempt status," Sims said. "If I give $1,000 to my church and I'm in the 20 percent tax bracket, it only costs me $800, and the government pays $200."
However, Sims doesn't see any problem with ballot measures such as Proposition 8 because churches already discuss moral issues like the death penalty, nuclear war, nuclear disarmament and poverty.
Lodi-area religious leaders' opinions vary on churches' roles in politics, aside from a general statement that people should go out and vote. Here is a sample:
Sister Terry Davis, Stockton Catholic Diocese: Advertisements supporting Proposition 8 are included in church bulletins, and the diocese has given priests ideas for homilies to support the measure. The diocese has also taken positions supporting Proposition 4 (parental notification of minor's abortion) and opposing Proposition 6 (law enforcement funding, criminal penalties).
David Hill, Grace Presbyterian Church: When it comes to a ballot measure like Proposition 8, he would most likely not address it at the pulpit, but if he did, both sides of the issue would be covered. If the congregation wants to talk about an issue, the church could discuss it in Sunday school or a separate forum so that there can be full dialogue. Speaking from the pulpit is a monologue, not a dialogue, so he prefers not to speak from the pulpit.
Frank Nolton, New Hope Community Church: Has addressed Proposition 8 in his newsletter. On Sundays, he preaches the Bible verse-by-verse, book-by-book, so every conceivable topic will be discussed. He talked about homosexuality while preaching the Books of Genesis and Romans.
Bill Cummins, Bear Creek Community Church: Says it's not a pastor's role to tell people which political party or candidate to support. However, the church needs to take a stand on issues that have Biblical applications, like Proposition 8.
Basil Matthews, interim rector, St. John's Episcopal Church: Says he has never used the pulpit to canvass the policies of any one political party or to suggest how members of his congregation should vote. It is the San Joaquin Diocese's policy to be inclusive of all residents in matters of state or national legislation.
Nick Qayyum, board member, Lodi Muslim Mosque: No political statements have been made since Imam Ahmed Hashimi took over. One time, a candidate asked to speak at the mosque. Mosque leaders said "yes," as long as the other candidate comes.
Rabbi Jason Gwasdoff, Temple Israel, Stockton: Not only is it illegal for religious leaders to endorse candidates, it's an abuse of the pulpit. However, it is appropriate for clergy to preach about political issues when there is a moral component involved because they are real-life issues. Says clergy shouldn't assume that they know God's will and that their positions are the only correct ones.
John Kah, St. Peter Lutheran Church: Believes churches have a moral obligation to discuss morality. He will discuss Proposition 8 during adult Bible study on Oct. 12. Says churches are different from politically motivated organizations because churches address what God says. Agrees that pastors should endorse candidates.
Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.
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edumacation wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:54 PM:
http://www.billayers.org/
Visit HIS site, in his own words to learn why the FBI charges were dropped after he bombed the Pentagon with a nail bomb. Nice guy? "
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:03 PM:
Siting Oprah (move away from the daytime talk shows) and your disease stats does not make it okay to deny gay people the right to marry. Are we now to weigh disease stats before deciding who gets to marry?").
nope
just "cite" 6,000 years of history, and for extra "lodian" bonus points, go ahead and discard the religion arguement, and it is STILL a slam dunk issue of perversion
always has been, always will be
speaking of talk shows, riddle me this, how come maury povich on all his rediculous "whose your baby's daddy" day in and day out shows DOESN'T have any "adam and steve" action?
because even bottom dwellers like jerry springer and maury povich recognize 6,000 years of history CAN'T deny what's "moral"
btw, jerry springer and maury povich aren't "Christians"
maury povich + 6,000 years of history = no adam and steve
even those two "pillars of society" would vote YES on prop 8
baHHHHHHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWA "
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:54 AM:
" real facts is a pillar of the community. ").
i actually am.
if you only knew who i really am in this city.
btw, "pillars" in life straight away condemn people that even hint at perversion such as billy spews about having sex with children.
your just as ugly as billy, because you NEVER condemn it, and still won't right now.
if YOU were running for "pillar of the year", they would have to burn an effigy of pinnochio to get their point across as to why that's an impossibility
the truth is in the action.....you still won't "
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:49 AM:
want more evidence? she NEVER denies it "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:48 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:46 AM:
Siting Oprah (move away from the daytime talk shows) and your disease stats does not make it okay to deny gay people the right to marry. Are we now to weigh disease stats before deciding who gets to marry? "
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:45 AM:
" OhMy/real facts: Your "split" personality is showing again. Where's Aimee? ").
look rolling freak show, your going to have to ask her.
in the meantime, if you love your freak status, and you want to keep it a rollin, by all means, keep lying about it.
all it ever does is demonstrate what a weak person you really are.
with OHMY coming out and saying she differs in opinion than me on certain angles of this discussion, and my NEVER bending position, even a moron can tell we are not the same person.
your just a desperate lonely freak show who gets her personal jollies lying about others.
wow, that's some accomplishment in life lodian. makes me want to run to be like you
puke
those two, aimee and OHMY, spell better than i do, have better grammar AND capitalize. what a loon.
but, the "loon" will continue to lie about it because she has no self control, and IS a freak just like i said "
JD wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:41 AM:
They have. Repeatedly. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:55 AM:
Thank you! You made my point.
If your acquaintances feel so strongly about the issue, I would think it helpful if they publicly repudiate the clown who are hurting their cause?
I know, its not a fair request. Would Democrat leaders ever repudiate criminal acts by other Democrats? Not a chance. The same with Republicans. If they actively stand up against criminals who happen to be Republicans, the World would be a better place.
If there could be a way for your acquaintances to exrt some inflence on the rag tag gay parade, their (gay lifestyle advocates) objectives would be more understandable. I have no malice for the individuals involved, only those who have outrageous behavior. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:41 AM:
I would like to accomodate you, but I am female. The hint was the Oprah show, watched mainly by females and liberal males. See Oprah marketing profile: White Female over 45 = 91% of her viewers. Average HHI= $80,000/yr
To OhMy: I can fight my own battles. The Castro is a world onto itself. It will NEVER happen in Lodi. Many of the male gays who live in "the city" are infected with HIV (32%) according to the San Francisco Dept of Public Health. The incidence in the general population is 500 cases per 100,000. African-American gays at age 60 have a probability of 80% of being infected. So encourage them to get "married"?
These are facts from The Centers for Disease control. But wait, gays have rights? "
JD wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 AM:
Edumacation--
Has it ever occurred to you that TV news stations put these particular gays on the five o'clock news precisely because they are not normal? The nightly news does not typically concern itself with the mundane.
I could name, off the top of my head, three gay personal acquaintances of mine, and two or three more I've corresponded with through online fora. Every one of them despises the exhibitionist freaks you see in San Francisco and elsewhere. "
deblaw wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:56 AM:
Also serve in our military and honor our country....
Only if they don't tell! Otherwise, they are out.... "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:08 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:07 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:13 AM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:29 AM:
Edumacation: GOOD JOB to you for not believing the phony propaganda! You are right, if they were so "normal" why do all of the "No on Prop 8" comercials show HETEROSEXUAL couples? Why are they hiding behind this if they are so "normal"?? Wow. Rediculous.
GOD HELP our little town from becoming a little castro district!!! "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:15 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:09 AM:
There is no reason whatsoever why these law-abiding Americans should be denied their right to marry the love of their life. ").
it's perversion, and there is no "love" in the perversion equation.
it's lust, just like edumacation said.
if i remember correctly, edumacation is an atheist. even a non religious person recognizes moral absolutes THROUGHOUT the history of mankind, and the 'attempt' at legitimacy. "
real facts wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:04 AM:
billy is a pervert, that was established two years ago. that guy is a bottom feeder.
what's even more of a gem, is right after he said it, lodian high fived it.
you want evidence of who lodian really is OHMY? then keep up with my posts that provide it.
no true follower of Jesus Christ would SUPPORT lying AND perversion. she does
want more evidence? she NEVER denies it
yep, she's a phony. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:03 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:04 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:01 PM:
OhMY: Who says? And about what? "
real facts wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:31 PM:
lodian-claimed-in-the-blogs-long-ago-to-be-a-"Christian".
while i was systematically dismantling her claims by comparing her consistent verbage, the issues she picks, and the solidarity she shows to people COMPLETELY opposed to Christ OR his word, she STOPPED claiming it.
now the problem is, if she WAS a Christian, why would she stop standing up for being one on an anonymous board?
doesn't-matter-what-a-person-claims, the PROOF is in the CONSISTENTCY in the "stance" of the person.
you pick God OVER anything, your a "follower"
you pick people and agenda OVER God EVERYTIME, your a phony
in the epistle of 1 john, it states that ANY person that lies without conscience, IS a phony
case-closed...(at-least-in-her-current-state)
her "phony" status is the EXACT reason i oppose her mercilessly, is because she HAS claimed she is a "Christian", yet she opposes Gods authority over mankind like it's her FIRST CHOICE.
i will not sit back and watch while someone "pretending" they are a Christian, selling the notion that AS a Christian, you do not have to obey God OR his word, but YOU can redefine the "standards" at will
THAT'S-why-i-am-i-here "
OhMy wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:20 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:59 PM:
JD wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:00 PM:
With all due respect, over-generalizations like this are hardly helpful. "
Edumacation wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:31 PM:
Lucky Strikes Means Fine Tobacco. LOL Say What? If you need a dictionary to figure it out maybe, just maybe its because they are weird. So Paraphiliacs, tri and Quadra sexuals and your proto dendrophiliacs. Don't worry, be happy. You are supposed to be gay (the original definition), so do your thing in private. "
OhMy wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:24 PM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:05 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:56 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:44 PM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:23 PM:
Oh. Also you never answered another question of mine: "What have I done that hasn't been Christian? ( " OhMy/real facts: You can tell yourself you are a Christian all day long, but it doesn't show. (it never has) ") " "
OhMy wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:17 PM:
I'll tell you why. It is because people do not want something they are morally against pushed on their society. Do you have children Lodian? How would you feel if your children were taught IN SCHOOL about sex before you felt it was the right time? Don't I have rights as a parent??
This IS THE START OF IT. Gay marriage in California is opening the can of worms that will lead to us being FORCED TO ACCEPT SOMETHING WE FIND MORALLY INCORRECT.
You heard edumacation. He is an athiest and he is for Prop 8. How do you explain that away with the reasons he has given?
If you want to leave "religion" out (even though mine is not a "religion" it is the TRUTH) fine. It will come down to majority rules. And most likely the majority will rule in favor of this proposition. This IS still a democracy yes? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:39 PM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:10 AM:
Well Gee, we never enslaved the gay community. Also black people didn't CHOOSE their skin color, that is something we know for sure. Science has yet to prove that the gays haven't CHOSEN their lifestyle. And theoretically, regardless if they have or not, that still does not make it any better in GODS eyes. And on a completely SECULAR level, someone mentioned before that men and women are compatable sexually. THAT IS WHAT IS NATURAL!! I'm sorry but homosexuality is NOT NATURAL, and that is on a purely secular level. Just the fact that "evolution" (still speaking secularly here) made men and women PHYSICALLY compatable to continue the human species speaks VOLUMES on the fact that homosexuality is NOT NATURAL. How can you argue with that? "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:57 AM:
Comments like this make me wonder how long until the Homosexual agenda starts pushing for quotas. Let's see, 2% of the population claims to be gay or Bi so that would require larger businesses to make sure to have at least 2% employees that identify themselves as gay or face discrimination suits.
Lets look at the terminology already used by the Homosexuality in terms of thier rights "apartheid", "segregating and dehumanizing classification", "shameful and inexcusable oppression of the civil rights of same-sex", "insecure homophobes", "heap terror upon the gay", "at the expense of the disenfranchised and the politically powerless", "mindful of the dehumanizing effects of apartheid", "fomenters of group-hatred", "no different than erecting barriers like the 1950`s "Whites Only" signage", "Our segregation doesn't even allow us to sit in the back of the bus", "the Black community refuse to see the parallel", "reserved those so-called "equal rights", "a legitimate United States has yet to be born".
Taken from http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/advocacy/sna160207.htm
My favorite part is when the wroter compares the Gay struggle to the oppression of the black people. Anyone what to comment on that? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:23 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:21 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:21 AM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:10 AM:
Lodian, debating you would be a waste of my time and energy since you have nothing pertinent or intelligent to say.
Please look for another target to spew your hate onto. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:02 AM:
I won't try to save you or your soul, but here is a link to how many others think. Objectivism is more popular than you may want to know. So-called altruism is one of two malignant movements. The other is theism.
http://www.peikoff.com/opar/altruism.htm "
edumacation wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:51 AM:
I have met a few admitted homosexuals that seemed pleasant, but generally I don't trust them, not because of "fear" or phobia but because of my experience with them. One example: Heterosexuals usually restrain themselves to a countable number of relationships. Many or most homosexual males have thousands of contacts. HIV transmission rates are very low, but with extremely high contact ratios, the incidence is very high. Statistically homosexuality implies promiscuity. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:31 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:19 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:13 AM:
Oh, sure. Pass the buck. "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:14 PM:
and that, after she claimed she was a "Christian"
TRUTH landed another two-for-one deal in here tonight.
"IT" always does
TRUTH score tonight...
TRUTH 4, "ain't's" = ZILCH (again)
TRUTH will make an appearance tomorrow. it won't change. it won't budge. NO ONE can redefine it. NO ONE can lie about or twist it. TRUTH won't go away. TRUTH will take it's rest in recorded and UNrecorded history. and at the end of tommorrow, TRUTH will STILL be what it has ALWAYS been, and thus shall ever be.
NO ONE can move Gods TRUTH.
EVER
(but you are welcome to try) "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:59 PM:
That's the beauty part.
It's all your own words or scripture.
LOL ").
laugh all you want, it's your life to trash. lying pervert
and NO, they WERE my words, until YOU distorted, twisted and lied about what i did say. your same "methodology" was applied to your "scripture replication" techniques.
am i going to be surprised if you end up in hell given your ease into depravity without conscience.....NO.
i will be SHOCKED if you don't.
in the meantime, i will be happy to demonstrate AGAIN your a lying pervert, and the EXACT reason why for ALL of history the world has labeled you justly
they were YOUR words. NOT mine
read it (again) and not weep "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:50 PM:
I love the US Constitution as drafted and amended. But I don't hold any illusions about its lasting power to directly shape the evolution of law. The lasting influence of a constitution is in the way it shapes culture--the values it conveys to the people, independently of judicial interpretations. ").
ahhh the age old change the laws to suit the "culture".
wrong JD.
that's the beauty of Gods laws, as they DON'T change (unlike mormon doctrine), which has changed so many times it's dizzying. remember awhile back we had a "chat" about blacks, and how mormon theology taught for 150 years how blacks were "cursed" by God, then "reinstated" (sort of) in mormon theology via OUTSIDE pressure and discrimination laws? remember how you back out of that "discussion" like michael jackson during his pepsi commercial?
my point is, that you AND scout can't pick Gods truth over mans laws to save your life
you said "i love the US constitution", preceded by your NUMEROUS exits from Gods word via mormon theology = JD is in big big trouble, and no "lawyer" can get you out of it "
Bry wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:27 PM:
Homosexuality is not a race, creed or gender of human being who are entitled to rights. Homosexuality is a perverted behavioral practice or conduct which people choose to indulge in.
Read the book of Romans and it is clear that the conduct & practice of "men of who lie with men" (aka) homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes. God says to love what is good and hate what is bad. That does not mean to hate the people but to hate the conduct. Only God can judge man and he will but it is essential for Christians to judge good from bad and right from wrong to follow God's laws and commands. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 15, 2008 7:30 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 6:06 PM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 15, 2008 6:03 PM:
LOL
2) The topic is prop 8 and gay marriage. Many psychologists might associate paraphilias with this "lifestyle" (I don't know what to name the behavior ---it seems more cultural than biological? some say homosexual, others gay, some say its biological, others a lifestyle or choice. I have no idea. The bestiality / dendrophilia topic has no direct correlation since prop 8 concerns marriage. Marriage is a contract and implies communication and consent. My reference was only - a reference. No other paraphilias were implied. I have no opinion about them other than possible irony or humor with the possible permutations and combinations of dendrophilia I(trees) agalmatophilia (mannequins) ie splinter jokes. I found a few unusual websites devoted to affection for these creatures---and plants. I guess the metaphor of RAINBOW is accurate when considering possibilities of relationships. I am no expert on this matter. I defer to your wisdom about these issues. "
JD wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:09 PM:
Granting for a moment your assumption that most Americans wouldn't shut down the KKK if they had a chance, I can see people making a good argument that by 2058, fundamentalist Christianity will be more harmful to gays than the KKK will be to blacks. For example, you don't hear of many black kids born to a family of Klansmen. But you hear about gay kids being born to Christian families, leading to conflict, psychological disorders, and even occasionally suicide. So, isn't the natural result to either ban the propagation of harmful ideas or else remove the child from the home?
I don't dispute that it would take time for society to come to this. It might not happen at all. But then again, there's no real guarantee that it won't. The closest we could come, I think, is a constitutional amendment that either a) weakens the value of nondiscrimination against gays, or b) strengthens the value of religious freedom. It's unfortunate that Prop 8 took the former form rather than the latter, and I have my own theories as to why this occurred. But that's a different discussion. "
scout wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:22 PM:
JD wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:53 PM:
Speaking hypothetically (I am not licensed in California), for someone to prevail in a discrimination suit against the KKK basically all it would take is for the US Supreme Court to change its mind. It could happen all at once in a major case, or it could happen by degrees over several decades.
Suing, say, the Catholic Church would be a little trickier (the Bill of Rights is more explicit as to free exercise of religion than it is as to free association). But it's certainly not impossible. Some of the groundwork for limiting the Free Exercise clause is already there. To the extent that it's lacking--well, the Supreme Court has performed impressive gymnastics in the past to re-define the clear intent of the Constitution (see, e.g., Wickard v. Filburn) and can do it again.
I love the US Constitution as drafted and amended. But I don't hold any illusions about its lasting power to directly shape the evolution of law. The lasting influence of a constitution is in the way it shapes culture--the values it conveys to the people, independently of judicial interpretations. "
scout wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:11 PM:
JD wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:02 PM:
I'm not particularly worried about the consequences of Prop 8's failure in the short run. The trouble is that the "living constitution" doctrine means that, in the long run, government can do whatever the people are willing to let it do. If our culture changes to the point that non-discrimination dogma is allowed to trump religious freedom (and I believe we're slowly inching towards that state), the First Amendment won't be worth the paper it's printed on by the time legislatures and courts get done with it. In that sense, Proposition 8 (from my point of view) is much more a cultural battle than a legal one. "
JD wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:57 PM:
the US Government's dealings with Mormonism do not exactly support the idea that unpopular religions will never be forced to conform their marital views to prevailing social norms
How you get, from that, that I have "inferred [sic]. . . that mormons aren't going to sit there while the govt calls polygamy illegal" is beyond me. "
scout wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:48 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:12 PM:
That's the beauty part.
It's all your own words or scripture.
LOL "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:54 PM:
With all due respect, RF").
you would have HAD my respect, if you would have stayed around nad handled your business during our last go around.
you didn't.
what you did was your cut and run so that you didn't have to face the music.
the tune by which YOU hummed FIRST "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:51 PM:
in the meantime JD, YOU inferred in your post that mormons aren't going to sit there while the govt calls polygamy illegal.
i said, i agreed with the tenent that GODS laws supercede mans laws, followed by my demonstration of mormonism being a cult "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:47 PM:
what i DON'T have compassion for IS sin/lying evil that shakes it's fist at God, and seeks to redefine his standards.
"those people" i will defend against with every ounce of strength i have "
JD wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:46 PM:
With all due respect, RF, I did not say this. I might agree with it to an extent, but not insofar that it justifies forcing non-Christians (or liberal Christians) to conform their behavior to standards enunciated by fundamentalist Christians.
If I come down in favor of 8, it will be almost exclusively because of religious liberty concerns. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:46 PM:
I said father/daughter sex was biblical - I didn't say DO it. You took the mention of it and RAN with it.
It is you who have been talking of little else since then, daydreaming of it and mentioning it here almost daily. I don't think that's healthy at all.
It was you who, after a conversation about selling your daughter into slavery, said slavery was such a wonderful institution, writing at length several times, about what a pleasure it was.
I thought the idea of slavery and actually selling your daughter was reprensible but you became enthralled by all of it because it's biblical. In fact, you have never, not ever once, said any of the old laws should not be followed to the letter.
Then that whole killing atheists thing and rounding up gays and throwing them into prison... your Christian ideals have always seemed a little too barbaric. "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:42 PM:
homosexual sex should be illegal under moral law like it used to be.
if a person is caught doing it, they should receieve whatever the punishment it is that the court has pre-decided in law as per the incident.
pornography used to be illegal, and when caught doing it when it was, people went to jail for it.
homosexual sex is immoral, and it should be against the law, and anyone caught doing it should be arrested.
see billy, i own my statements.
the trouble is, my statements seem a liitle harsh all because homosexuals have "somewhat" succeeded in making immorality a "rights issue".
before, it was "right" to commit acts of immorality.
like i said, sex with children is next "
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:39 PM:
Again, Billy, I have nothing against you. I know we disagree, and I respect your opinion. I don't want to get into a war of words with you, I want to have a discussion with you. To me, YOU are not your sexuality, YOU are YOU. I have nothing agains homosexuals, I have several friends who are as well as relatives (not to mention my father). I'm just curious. And once again, I swear to you I am not Real Facts. (Unless real facts is a 23 year old female lol) "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:35 PM:
I beseached you to recant such a hateful, murderous statement and you LAUGHED at me and said [again] that YOU OWNED YOUR STATEMENTS. I asked AGAIN that you retract it and you LAUGHED AGAIN.
It was only AFTER one of your little stooges in your fan club said it was too harsh, even for you, that you tired to re-write history.
YOU SAID DAILY ASSASSINATIONS OF ATHEISTS AND GAYS").
i don't back down to anybody. i don't change my opinion because of pressure.
i FULLY explained in these boards what i meant, and i PROVED it by replicating the times i used the word "assasination" even when referring to Christians over character issues.
your spew lying trash, because you can't "get me" from any other angle.
not to worry, YOUR the one that is going to pay for YOUR choices
it's what you do, because your whole life is a lie "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:29 PM:
" Billy's accounts are correct. ").
you mean the ones where he told me to go have sex with my daughter, and that "i" favored child molestation?
those accounts?
your just as sick as that guy is with your moronic solidarity of him.
BUT, i called it. even AFTER billy said the most vile of all humanity, i said that there would be those that STILL high fived him.
good. liars breed other liars until the species destroys itself.
lodian is all too willing to flush her complete life down the toilet all in the name of "liberality", and that with her foot mashing the gas peddle.
yeah. life should be "directed" by you two
PUKE "
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:26 PM:
What have I done that hasn't been Christian? ( " OhMy/real facts: You can tell yourself you are a Christian all day long, but it doesn't show. (it never has) ") "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:13 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:09 PM:
I beseached you to recant such a hateful, murderous statement and you LAUGHED at me and said [again] that YOU OWNED YOUR STATEMENTS. I asked AGAIN that you retract it and you LAUGHED AGAIN.
It was only AFTER one of your little stooges in your fan club said it was too harsh, even for you, that you tired to re-write history.
YOU SAID DAILY ASSASSINATIONS OF ATHEISTS AND GAYS.
NOW YOU SAID YOU WANT TO ROUND UP GAYS AND THROW THEM IN PRISON.
Lord Fruitcake, you and all your alter egos are insane. "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:05 PM:
sure billy. we all know YOU are the "go to" guy for all things truthful and insightful.
your just a plain lying perverted moron.
what a great resume you have accrued for yourself. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:05 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:04 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:02 PM:
your a sick liar.
what i said was about the CHARACTER assasination of gays. liar
i HAVE NEVER said, nor implied, that gays should be murdered you sick vile human being
your a human trash can
i will be back later to flush your toilet some more.
sick pervert "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:00 PM:
You didn't say you were "...too god...", you called yourself "God" with a capital "G".
It *may* have been unintentional, but it does reveal your subconscious opinion of yourself.
That's what made it a Fruedian slip and not a "misspelling problem". "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:59 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:59 PM:
nope. just put in prison just like what happens to people that break the law. pornography USED to be illegal, and people used to go to jail for illegal CHOICES. same with child molesters.
thanks to our immoral world, you won't go to jail for having homosexual sex. but if you don't repent, your "payment" in the next life far exceeds bars and three meals a day "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:53 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:52 PM:
well, at least you copied and pasted it for ONCE in it's entirety, instead of twisting my "wording".
but, alas it's the usual billy methodology of twisting what i MEANT.
you know it was a misspelling problem, but yet in your desperation, you STILL had to lie about me.
good job billy. any more "gems"?
like "i" believe i am God. what a moron "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:51 PM:
Oh, jeez. I laughed until I had a sideache. The hiliarious post by Lord Fruitcake's spin-off, OhMy, from 12:42 PM...
LOL LOL LOL.
Oh, I need to catch my breath. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:48 PM:
where was that billy? i am sure that if i did, and you weren't just lying, i am sure it won't be a problem for you to copy and paste ALL of it including time and day stamp."
Well, I can only post it, I can't make a God like you read it. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:47 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:45 PM:
Since you called for executions (not just a one-time killing, but "daily assassinations" you called for) of atheists and gays.
Now you want gays rounded up as criminals.
In your world, then, Lord Fruitcake, will the gays be tattooed? Stripped of their possessions? Gassed? Shot? Stoned? "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:43 PM:
where was that billy? i am sure that if i did, and you weren't just lying, i am sure it won't be a problem for you to copy and paste ALL of it including time and day stamp.
oh yeah, you won't. either because you lied, or you have to twist my words to make it look that way, because afterall, you HAVE TO LIE, because you STILL can't defend yourself otherwise.
although i cannot promote sin, i do like it when you lie, because it only PROVES i am right about you.
in the meantime, please entertain all the people on the board with your "unique" ability to make homosexuality appear "normal".
you know, all that cute cuddly stuff you say about child molestation. you know, those "truths" that spew from your perverse heart.
with you on board, homosexuality "acceptance" is growing by leaps and bounds in here billy
bahWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAM BAM "
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:42 PM:
Lodian and the other fake Christians will be of the first to line up to bow to the anti christ instead of sacrificing their mortal life for GOD. They are in for a real wake up call on Judgement Day.
I apreciate you Real Facts for being honest. I have not read one comment from you in this blog that was not the TRUTH. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:41 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:34 PM:
i OWN my statements billy, and i meant what i said, that homosexuality SHOULD be illegal.
it once was. so was pornography. bestiality is "currently", so is child molestation "currently", but "they" are next in line on the anything goes - justification list.
ahhh, the days when ALL immorality used to be illegal, and because it was people did it "less", or hid it behind their closed doors. not anymore. now it's done IN PUBLIC. those STOP SIGNS were "posted", and considered debased, only a COUPLE OF DECADES ago.
like i said in the other blog about you billy, even jerry springer is repulsed by you. that ought to tell you what is "right" and "wrong" in this world.
edumacation is right about his/her examples of SFO behavior. the world is becoming a toilet bowl instead of the WELLSPRING it once was.
remember billy, i HAVE the inside track on what is acceptable, and what is not, ALL THE WAY to the end of this world "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:33 PM:
By the bye, did anyone else pick up the Reverend's Fruedian slip when he called himself God today? Or last night? No difference, really, I'm sure he does it continuously... "
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:29 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:18 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:18 PM:
another lie
you get what you deserve lodian, because you have more than earned it with your ZERO conscience.
what a weak little person you are "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:15 PM:
But I do not seperate my life from Gods truth. Everything that I am is infused with God. You see MY TRUTH is GODS TRUTH. As it should be with all Christians (and most often is not").
just about no truer a statement has been spoken in these blogs.
it's sickening that in these ANONYMOUS blogs, that some of these Christians in here are more worried about being "cool" then they are about reflecting Gods truth.
you would think that would be an AUTOMATIC thing, in comparison to what Christ has done for us.
if they can't even do it on an anonymous blog, i can't imagine their failures to replicate Gods truth in their PUBLIC life.
what a shame
to you OHMY, a great big HIGH FIVE for standing up for him. i know I appreciate it, and i GUARANTEE you HE does.
real facts "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:13 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:10 PM:
OhMy is Reverend Fruitcake's newest").
NOPE.
that is a lie, as God is my true witness.
the ONLY time i ever created a new handle, was to do it to demonstrate to the board how easy it was when lodian did it as "lee"
go ahead and lie about. it just plays into MY hands in here "
real facts wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:06 PM:
" Billy Rubin: I know. It's so obvious when real facts pulls out another handle").
look, i told you i don't have to resort to the garbage you pull in here, both with YOUR proven multiple handles, your lying about brian and i being the same, and your lying straight across the board because your weak person.
get off of it lodian. you only look like a moron when you do it "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:45 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:44 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:38 AM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:35 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:26 AM:
Yep, RF indeed. LOL! Lame. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:24 AM:
ohmy (mini-RF): This country separates church and state. You seem to have a hard time understanding this fact. You have the right to practice the religion of your choice. Your rights are not being denied. Yet you say it is okay to deny the rights of others. Sorry that you can't seem to understand this, but YOU do not get to choose who gets the same rights that you enjoy as an American in the United States of America. Separation of church and state. Look it up. It is illegal to deny gay people the same rights that you and I have in this country. "
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:16 AM:
I can assure you I am not Real facts (lol), but I thank you for the indirect compliment. For comparing me to a true Warrior Of GOD. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:15 AM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:12 AM:
I guess I could say to you, do not impose what I believe to be morally wrong on me, but I am not. Because I respect your opinion. Everyone is entitled.
And you are right. I do not get to choose who should be able to marry who. But GOD has chosen. And once again, GODS law triumps MANS. And if MANS law goes against GODS law, and if I have an opportunity to try to envoke GODS law (as with Prop 8) on MAN, it is my DUTY as a true Christian to practice what I preach my friend.
And you never answered my question. I'm still waiting. Do you consider yourself Christian? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:09 AM:
Read carefully.
OhMy is Reverend Fruitcake's newest alias. "
scout wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:27 AM:
Doctors Without Borders: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
Save the Children:
http://www.savethechildren.org/
American Red Cross:
http://american.redcross.org
A little can go a long way within these organizations. $50,000 could touch many children's lives. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:26 AM:
You chose a spouse for yourself as a law-abiding adult citizen of this country, so why do you think you should get to choose what another law-abiding citizen of the United States gets to choose for him/herself? Answer: YOU DO NOT!
Freedom of religion. Freedom of choice. Separation of church and state. Being gay is not illegal, so you may not deny them their rights.
Stop trying to impose your religion on everyone else. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:12 AM:
Your daughter would have been wise to put that 50K in the market. What a waste. "
OhMy wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:06 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:01 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:00 AM:
Aimee:real facts: Everyone here knows, and has seen first hand, that you are the one that dishes out hate and personal threats. Maybe your "friends" put up with you in real life, but we're not going to take your crap on these boards. Deal with it. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:51 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:35 AM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:20 AM:
Please look for another target to spew your hate onto. "
edumacation wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:13 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 15, 2008 6:52 AM:
(cut-and-pasted because the Reverend will certainly try to cut and run from his statements again)
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:39 PM:"Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:15 PM: Is being gay a sin against the State of California? Is it illegal?").
homosexual sex should be."
Religion breeds insanity. "
Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:06 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:05 PM:
" Aimee, Real Facts, edumacation: should Jews maintain the right to marry? What about Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus,Zoroastrians, Shintos, Confucists, Taoists, Pagans, Wiccas, agnostics or atheists? Should we not teach our children about people in these groups as well? ").
the real push is for ALL mankind to bow to Christ. anything other than that, is pure disobdience to God.
subset to that, is if a person does NOT bow to the authority of Christ over their life, they are STILL bound by moral laws, and moral laws STILL dictate one man and one woman, and it makes no difference what "category" of people you can come up with.
your not even close in the 'apples and oranges' game, because you were using "vegetables" for your analology.
were talking all of history moral code scout, and you being a "Christian" throuought your rediculous comparisons is suspect at minimum.
what else in life can't you call sin, sin?
God doesn't seem to have a problem with it, why do you? "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:47 PM:
Churches cannot be "forced" to marry anyone").
not yet, but it WILL come to that should prop 8 pass.
rhodie already cited an instance of that happening in canada, if i am not mistaken.
someone else mentioned that a photographer was SUED by a lesbian "couple" because he refused to photograph them because of his religious beliefs. the homosexuals won.
you stated you were a Christian scout, and you want to be a party in making that a possibility?
what side are you on anyway? "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:39 PM:
homosexual sex should be. pornography should be. child molestation is "currently", but it is in the "on deck circle" awaiting it's time to go to bat, in the immoral playoff/world series game of "civil rights"
i am not entirely sure about the legalities of homosexual sex on california's history books, but it sure used to be ILLEGAL in a whole lot of other states.
gee, i wonder why that is?
maybe someone more resourceful than i can search to see if it ever was illegal.
i lived out of state for awhile, and my friends used to call california "land of the fruits and nuts".
i couldn't debate that. it's true
california is one of the best AND worst places on the planet. "it" has ALOT to answer to God for all it's immoral "frontrunning" "
essayjay wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:34 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:27 PM:
" Real facts: Yes, that is what I meant. Thank you for clarifying for me. ").
your welcome.
i knew what you meant. YOU knew what you meant, but the problem i have is scout ALSO knew what you meant, and played you for his agenda purposes.
THAT is but one of the reasons i get "downtown" with these people, so i can bring to the surface what it is they REALLY believe in comparison to what they "say" they believe.
that way, real God directed truth has a fighting chance in here "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:23 PM:
" Scout, the US Government's dealings with Mormonism do not exactly support the idea that unpopular religions will never be forced to conform their marital views to prevailing social norms").
"unpopular religions"
well, at least you copped to the mormon "theology" about polygamy.
i AM with you JD about Gods laws being above mans laws.
where we SPLIT from any solidarity is when joseph smith BROKE those laws by re-writing his own, and "claiming" they WERE from God.
God didn't change his mind in the 1800's about a marriage relationship ONLY including ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, and now in the 1800's suddenly it's a free for all with as many wives as one can acrue.
mormonism creating the "multiple wives theology" is just as nasty as homosexuality, only one of them is labeled a cult. BOTH involve sex outside Gods design.
your right OHMY. "they" don't like me because i tell the brutal truth.
"brutal truth's" have a way of dividing the room, and making a man decide what side of "truth" they are on "
OhMy wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:15 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:11 PM:
personal threats launched by RF is not "keeping up" in any debate. RF has lost in these debates (years ago actually).
"personal threats"
here we go again. the weak position of lodian forces her to lie, because she can't defend her position, then she HAS to lie about me.
where did i threatened anybody lodian?
*watch her not point to any specific thing, because she is a liar. if she "HAD ME", SHE WOULD*
i made a comittment to you that i would take your trash out every time you spewed it. that WASN'T a threat. that was a PROMISE, and i am keeping it.
as far as "debate", that's a LIE.
"you people" chicken out OF debating the facts, and run away yelling lies in your wake.
"debate". what a joke lodian. how about you show the board ONE TIME where "you people" even attempted to debate?
i take out "you peoples" trash BECAUSE you won't debate. that's EXACTLY why i am in here in the first place.
liar "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:03 PM:
" Aimee/real facts: Do you use the same computer when posting? "
NO
that's your moronic garbage because you can't defend your position.
i don't know aimee in any way shape or form.
i have NO knowledge of who she is.
but i know this, your one prolific liar that can't handle your business, and this won't be the last time you lie about it.
because you can't even control it "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:59 PM:
" ohmy: considering the tradition of "marriage" pre-dates recorded history, while Christianity does not, I think it is safe to say marriage did not originate from Christian tradition. ").
scout is right about marriage NOT coming from "Christian tradition", only because Christ wasn't even born until 2,000 years ago. but since Christ was/is God, OHMY's statement is partially correct.
but correct me if i am wrong OHMY, what YOU mean't was that marriage WAS instituted by God, and God alone, which would STILL put scout on the hook as far as it's "origin" AND "definition".
maybe this is a good time for scout to demonstrate ONE TIME in ANY PART of history where ANY KIND of homosexuality was "good"?
"marriage" included.
scout has "TRUTH'S" permission to consult with the mesopotamians text if he wants to go as far back as recorded history allows.
how anyone can think that for all of history homosexuality is a "no no", and now suddenly it's not, ESPECIALLY as a Christian, after Christ HIMSELF spoke out against it, is deluded.
probably for their own pick and choose life "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:47 PM:
" You are an idiot, you have NO idea what you are talking about..")
what part am i off on?
homosexuality?
you?
truth?
history?
biblical accuracy and history?
the "others"?
science?
ANYTHING ELSE?
baHAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAABADARUMPUM "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:44 PM:
what's funny about "you people", is your "lack of memory" of your own behavior BEFORE you come at me.
as far as my "friends" go outside here, you forget what i said about myself "outside of here".
the ONLY people i put in their place via a "snide comment", are those that are well deserving of it.
LIKE YOU "
Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:43 PM:
You are dismissed "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:38 PM:
" Wrong again...
It is NOT about legitimacy, it is about being able to be a"legal" spouse and to receive the benefits that come with it. ").
uhhh not quite robb, not even close.
for ALL of history homosexauls have been attempting to find ANY way they can to legitimize behavior.
before, they kept their perversion to themselves, and didn't try and inflict it onto others. now with morality sliding off the planet, they are poised in history like never before to have a chance at "legitimizing" immoral behavior.
it IS about behavior, and about USING available methods so that others won't hassle them as 'abnormal'
doesn't matter what homosexuals do, all of history has spoken out against it BECAUSE it's NOT normal.
show me ONE civilization built around homosexuality in ALL of history. YOU CAN'T. but I can show you an entirety of history built around marriage between a man and a woman.
that old joke "met your parents last night, a couple of nice guys" was/wasn't a joke, because if adam and steve get together, the human race STOPS "
Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:32 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:06 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 14, 2008 6:59 PM:
It is NOT about legitimacy, it is about being able to be a"legal" spouse and to receive the benefits that come with it. "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 6:46 PM:
" I honestly do not understand why people who are not christian WANT to get married").
by and large, it's not even remotely about 'marriage' for homosexuals, but about 'acceptance' of their behavior as wanting to be recognized as "normal".
what could be a greater victory in the battle of the homosexuality community than to "appear" legit - than the cloak of 'marriage'?
that's the push
for the homosexual, the sex is the catalyst in their choices in life, and the attempt AT legitimacy of that sex via a "relationship". the "golden ring" AT legitimacy would be "marriage".
unfortuntely for them, marriage was created and instituted BY God, and therefore MUST fall under those standards in order to be recognized as "legitimate".
i would like ONE PERSON to demonstrate where that statement wasn't true in the ENITIRETY of history, even outside religion.
the homosexual push to legitimize marriage is an exacting indicator of how far we have slid into the abyss as a human race. right now, we cannot even call wrong - what we have since the beginning of time. "
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 5:48 PM:
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 5:37 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 14, 2008 5:01 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 14, 2008 4:57 PM:
" Robb wrote: "I don't hate anyone, looks like RF cannot take what he dishes out..."
Really? Looks like he's keeping up with everyone from what I can see...I have yet to see him back down. "
Aimee: Simply, you are wrong. The mindless ranting, raving, bullying, completely bizarre behavior and personal threats launched by RF is not "keeping up" in any debate. RF has lost in these debates (years ago actually). Just because he "thinks" he has won in a debate does not make it so. And you saying he has kept up is all too telling of your lack of intelligence in the matter. Rubbing elbows with RF and choosing his lunacy over the truth is a sad state for you, Aimee. "
JD wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:35 PM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:27 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:15 PM:
"...I have a HUGE problem with gay marriage legalized for several reason. The first being what I mentioned above. The second, of course is because homosexuality IS a sin and should not be rewarded."
OhMy, Against whom is secular gay marriage a sin? If one is not a Christian, is being gay then a sin? Is being gay a sin against the State of California? Is it illegal? If it is not illegal, is it then a sin in civil court? Civil rights are what is at stake; religious hyperbole not withstanding. "
OhMy wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:58 PM:
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:36 PM:
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:20 PM:
OhMy wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:59 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:57 PM:
Really? Looks like he's keeping up with everyone from what I can see...I have yet to see him back down. "
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:53 PM:
" Good comments, scout. ").
lodian. always hiding behind the "skirts" of another.
i like it when she does this, and totally shoots herself in the foot by claiming one thing, and THEN she places herself in solidarity with others that completely 100% is the OPPOSITE of what she claimed she "was".
what a loon "
OhMy wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:53 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:51 PM:
in the meantime scout, you need to turn in your "i'm a Christian" merit badge seeing how you refuse to follow what God has to say on the subject matter, preferring INSTEAD on writing your OWN "laws" for God to adjust to.
here is a little homework scout in the meantime.....since when do govt laws trump Gods laws and design?
your secular humanism and governmental laws that you keep reciting DO NOT reflect Gods laws about sin, so you can quit calling yourself a "follower" of Christ.
YOUR a "secular humanist" at best, that cares more about NOT living as per Gods edicts "
Lodian wrote on Oct 14, 2008 10:02 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:57 AM:
Ms. Carder's first-grade students were waiting with flower petals to greet her and her spouse on the steps of City Hall. The students did not go to City Hall to watch homosexual ceremonies. The students wanted to surprise their beloved teacher on this happy occasion.
So what religious site do you subscribe to that puts these spins on such events? Or was this from the Yes on 8 campaign? "
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:22 AM:
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:18 AM:
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:03 AM:
scout wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:01 AM:
edumacation wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:46 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:13 AM:
listen bob, out of total concern for your life, how is your relationship with billy after calling him a "fruit"?
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:48 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 PM:
not to worry, i am a resourceful kind of guy.
good PR move using uncle stinky instead of plain old "bob".
("real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:07 PM: as far as "consenting adults" penguin, fine. then YOU can explain the PROGRESSIVE effects on society because of pornography"). "
real facts wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:44 PM:
(lol) "
uncle stinky wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:30 PM:
uncle stinky wrote on Oct 13, 2008 8:12 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:49 PM:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081013/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_meltdown "
real facts wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:23 PM:
but it WILL happen sometime in history, and the scenario for it TO happen seems ripe. just on the technological side, it is ripe in comparison to any other times in history.
someone correct me if i am wrong, but "when" in history has there EVER been a time of "financial global crisis", besides right now?
a "global crisis" IS what precipitates a need for a global coming together in a ONE currency scenario.
all i said was watch the euro market closely, then watch billy and robb lie that there "is no God", who is personal and in control. "
commonsense1 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 3:51 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 13, 2008 2:06 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:17 AM:
the commisioners of each euro nation have recently met, and are getting their ducks in a row FASTER than anybody else has during this crisis.
the bible predicted a ONE WORLD currency, and the euro IS that avenue.
maybe they will rename it, but it will happen that way.
don't take my word for it, just watch it cLoSeLy.
if there is a God, then it would be cake for him to predict the future, and that's what i LOVE about biblical accuracy.
lie all you want "it didn't happen", but you won't be able to once you were told it would happen, BEFORE it did.
i suspect the ain'ts will get even agriER at God AFTER it does, but the bible predicted that too
a man of TRUTH isn't scared of laying it ALL on the line.
i just did. now watch how the function of the EURO grows, all the while AKNOWLEDGING God said it would - 1,900 years ago "
real facts wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:00 AM:
how about we play a little bible validation game? are you ready?
just so the AIN'TS cant pull their "rear-view-mirror" garbage when they call the bible "the work of man", let's play a little pay it forward game.
obviously if there is a God, then he KNOWS the future and can predict it with 100% accuracy.
what i want all of you to do is "watch" the global financial market. a couple of weeks ago, it was "only" the crumbling of the US market - now it's rippling GLOBALLY.
GOOD. right on time. the bible predicted it would 1,900+ years ago.
is it the work of man, or of God?
we shall soon see, because the bible PREDICTED a ONE WORLD financial plan, where the WHOLE WORLD is on the same currency.
THAT my "friends" is about to come true, after chomping at the bit for 1,900 years.
this is what i want you ALL to watch....drumroll pleeeease..... "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:30 PM:
"Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:24 PM: "Sounds like RF might actually stand for Repressed Fruit".
what circus act will the 'ain'ts" do next? i tell you what, i don't mind WHAT they do, my "ringmaster" capabilities are stronger than ever.
"they" will, because "they" can't control "them"selves
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWHOOPWHOOP "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:21 PM:
EXCELLANT
FINALLY....somebody-publically-condemned-what-billy-rubin-said-to-me.
i thought it would never happen.
billy rubin ladies and gentleman. the "face" of everything right about homosexuality. the new king SELF knighted as "THE ONE" to legitimize homosexuality to a world where in it's ENTIRE history, it has NEVER been acceptable.
billy rubin. the sign of things to come, and the NEW FACE of homosexuality.
just wait until that pervert tells YOU to go have sex with YOUR daughter, and see how "warm and fuzzy" YOU feel about voting "no" on prop 8
we are headed for the sewer, and you are either going to do something to stem that tide, or your going to open the floodgates.
good luck on being an accessory to the CRIME penguin.
in the meantime, MUCH THANKS for pointing out what a pervert billy is, and how the PROGRESSIVE validation nature of homosexuality "works".
TRUTH scoreboard update;
TRUTH = 5 points - "ain'ts" = run out of town "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:07 PM:
your introduction of something like that no longer warrants response...
Going back on topic, which happens to be about consenting adults and NOT about kids").
figures. another in a L O N G line of hit and run wusses that can't finish what they start. people always start garbage in here, and then they run off and won't defend thier position, and "usually" they end up blaiming me.
-----------> BIG SURPRISE <-----------
i tell you, if i EVER met somone that had the integrity and fortiTUDE to go the distance, i would have a heart attack and the "ain't's" would get their wish. you would think THAT is enough of an incentive.
maybe i ought to resort to these same tactics by going into ALL the blogs and making chicken hit and run comments just to disrupt the person i didn't like.
the-people-that-do-this-in-here-are-wusses. their-not-champions-of-truth.
as far as "consenting adults" penguin, fine. then YOU can explain the PROGRESSIVE effects on society because of pornography.
oh yeah, you chickened out.
who is next? "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:53 PM:
interesting choice of words.
too bad you didn't live as an adult 30 - 40 years ago, when WOULD HAVE said the same thing about homosexuality and pornography.
you read it, and you skated around it faster than nancy kerrigan attempting to get away from tonya "crowbar" harding.
the progression is obvious to someone NOT in the middle of sweeping the definition of immorality under the rug, so THEY can justify their own life WITHOUT God. happens everytime.
YOU made it a "rights issue". i skewered your position into pieces by illustrating progression permissiveness.
this current heinous passes, CHILD MOLESTERS will be next demanding their "rights" to "love".
you completely stayed away from the valid arguement of pornography, and WHAT this world has labeled now as "acceptable".
you were smart to do so penguin. smart in the "i don't want to cop to it" vein.
that's ok, i will make you own it. that's what i do in here don't cha know? "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:40 PM:
"written by man", yes.
but you purposefully left out the validation part of where God wrote it THRU man. easily validated thru HISTORY penguin. anytime you want to "compare notes" as to whether the bible is/isn't of God, you let me know.
like i said, if i had a dollar for ALL the busloads that filed thru these blog halls making statements they REFUSED to qualify, then ran away, i would have a FAT wallet.
now, before you make your UNqualified statement, how about you show some integrity and stay awhile?
you can demonstrate to me where the bible "isn't" of God, and i will be MORE THAN HAPPY to introduce you to validation nation, where HISTORY tells the real story.
you can even go first. or is where YOU chicken out as well, and your next few posts will include "why you can't"?
i don't EVER run away from a challenge "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:30 PM:
" can you handle it?
I'll tell you what, I admit that i hurt your feelings...
Are you always so defensive? Do you know what love is?
and you admit that you are driven by EGO... "").
(1) quit stalling and making excuses. why should you worry about what i can "handle". you won't because your a CONSTANT liar, because you can't and you lied that you could. oh, but you "never lie"
(2) i do know what love is, but i also know what God opposing evil is, and that is my "defense". some people play offense only. i play on both sides of the line AND "special teams". i just "kicked" 4 field goals in ONE blog alone.
(3) IF i had an ego, the "scorecard" would have reflected a score of "me" vs ALL of you. it didn't, and i NEVER do. my goal isn't "me", it's "truth" and "HIM". that's why i accureately stated the score was TRUTH 4 - "ain'ts" bupkiss.
so stop lying and bring it, or find someone man enough that can. "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:19 PM:
but gotta love the "fruit" reference. that was a golden nugget in the "TRUTH vs you" game. THANK YOU for handing it to me.
reducing you to being a nolo contendre in here AND in your own head was a walk in the park "bob".
i bet you thought somewhere deep in the reCESSPOOLS of your mind, that you were going to "hand it to me" when you first showed up. i cannot imagine the feelings of failure you must be experiencing. maybe you can comiserHATE with your partners in truth crime. maybe you can even re-group and "bring it" again.
i dunno. i DO know that for two years straight, there hasn't been ONE person that has moved truth 1 millimeter.
even your circus clown act couldn't.
you are welcome to keep trying, and i am obliged to reduce you to the man your already NOT.
btw, did you and billy kiss and make up? "
DeltaPenguin wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:15 PM:
Damn, here I was going to walk away and then I read that you challenge me as my belief about child molesters. There mere idea that you would try to sink to that level is disgusting. While I did enjoy a bit of this banter, your introduction of something like that no longer warrants response. So, here is my final post to you...
ANY person who preys on the weak and ESPECIALLY children is disgusting and should be punished as far as the laws will allow.
Going back on topic, which happens to be about consenting adults and NOT about kids....They are consenting and whatever they choose in their lives is fine. It will not affect me, or my family. "
DeltaPenguin wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:10 PM:
God did not write the book, nor did I. We all have certain values. Me using the term, "in my book" simply refers to the way I live my life and the things I believe in. Yes, I am the author. Everyone has their own book.
If someone says they are against gay marriage, I respect that. If someone is religious, I respect that. However, when someone argues religious points with me about the bible and God, while I respect their opinion, God wrote nothing. God said nothing about sin. Man said something about sin and claimed it was God who told them.
The Bible is a book that was written by man and now, centuries later, throngs of people follow it with blind faith. "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 4:08 PM:
I'll tell you what, I admit that i hurt your feelings...
Are you always so defensive? Do you know what love is?
and you admit that you are driven by EGO... "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 12, 2008 3:33 PM:
Ridiculous Fraud
Raving Fool
Religious Fake
Rectal Fungus
I can go on RF. Maybe I'll post an RF Name of the Day. I'm sure other bloggers can suggest appropriate names for you too.
See you around Renal Failure. "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 3:09 PM:
" You never answer questions, you just point fingers... ").
PROVE IT liar "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 3:08 PM:
" You never answer questions, you just point fingers... ").
your a lying moron that can't ever do anything BUT lie.
what questions didn't i answer?
watch this people, he WON'T answer it.
because he's a WILLFUL liar "
lodi boy wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:41 PM:
There are bigger things to put your energy towards, rather than devoting it to keeping two people apart.
JUST LET IT GO ALREADY. "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:09 PM:
you want everyone to see you as an educated man, but you come off like a hurt little girl, somewhere, someone hurt you, your wounds run deep, for that I am sorry, but for this charade to continue must be painful for you...").
i am TOTALLY uncomfortable in my own skin, and i feel the need to be measured by man. ,i am ONLY high school educated,
truth emboldens a person that longer you choose it.
if your talking about past induced "psychosis", you might want to talk to your 3 friends in here. chances are, those 3 have the "experience" YOUR looking for, to help you with your bag full of excuses.
me, just-truth-and-strength. that's-it
later " "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:01 PM:
" You never answer questions, you just point fingers... ").
your a lying moron that can't ever do anything BUT lie.
what questions didn't i answer?
watch this people, he WON'T answer it.
liar
go play your idiotic lying games somewhere else.
the ONLY time i hoped you DID lie, was when you "said" you had 6 kids.
if that's remotely true, GOD HELP THEM.
you? you get what you deserve
change your sreename to "bullhornfollowedby"crickets"
liar "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:57 PM:
you want everyone to see you as an educated man, but you come off like a hurt little girl, somewhere, someone hurt you, your wounds run deep, for that I am sorry, but for this charade to continue must be painful for you...").
i am TOTALLY comfortable in my own skin, and i feel NO need to be measured on ANY scale by ANY man. fortunately for me, and UNfortunately for you, i am ONLY high school educated, yet there ISN'T a man i can't hold my own against on ANY subject matter. i have skills to take you guys to the "integrity cleaners" that doesn't require a formal edumacation.
and no, no "background wounds" that drives me toward truth, and the defense of it by those who seek to lie about it.
truth emboldens a person that longer you choose it.
if your talking about past induced "psychosis", you might want to talk to your 3 friends in here. chances are, those 3 have the "experience" YOUR looking for, to help you with your bag full of excuses.
me, just-truth-and-strength. that's-it
later "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:53 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:50 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:48 PM:
" Your drivel is not worthy of perusal").
here comes the lying excuses.
"i can't" boo hoo
"it's not worth it" cough cough
come on robb. slip some more on your "banana peel" integrity.
you always stepped out into the ring with a big bullhorn, but when you lowered the bullhorn, there stood a mealy mouthed skinny little kid that couldn't gather enough steam to get out of his own way, and ended up getting run over by the rodeo clown.
here is a HINT robb.....this isn't my first "rodeo" son
in a world where "horns" collide, yours were "sawed off" a L O N G time ago.
run along little would be "cowboy".
this is the PRO circuit, and you will only get yourself "injured"
bob is over there behind the stables apologizing for calling billy a "fruit".
billy is crying and needs you to console him. now that's something you CAN do "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:43 PM:
funny, is a really sick way, but funny. "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:40 PM:
if i had just a $1 everytime "they" did, my wallet would be fat enough to buy ALL the ain't's a bigger bus.
and i could pay in FULL, in CASH
archived blogs are a SNAP to find who said/did what. the "ain'ts" claim they can't "find it"
THAT'S why i am reliant on copy and pasting time and day stamps in here.
trash pickup is somewhere around 10:00PM tonight.
have it on the "curb" by then
remember the old days when the trash truck guy had to physically get out of the truck and handle the trash by hand?
well i am like the new technology of handling "trash" via a mechanical arm while in an air conditioned cab, while listening to "truth radio".
yep, quick and efficient. that's my job description. over and done with without EVER breaking a sweat "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:39 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:28 PM:
you twisted it when I stated that educated people do not believe in your "god").
you can't even keep your OWN stories straight.
your plagarized article stated "God and religion".
it didn't spefically mention "Jesus Christ", my God
even if it had, you would have STILL called a vast majority of the world "idiots" because of the amount of people that rightfully believe in Jesus Christ, the HISTORICAL man who claimed he was God, and was murdered for it.
even robb celebrates his birthday by because OF "that man"
you have NOTHING in your "bag".
later. too nice of a day for trash inSINeration nation.
tonight, i will come to your "curb" and deal with your trash.
you: "trash collector"
me: "trash inSINerator"
bob: "fruit inspector"
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:21 PM:
" you misquoted my words about the bible").
really? where?. don't sit there and lie that i did, PROVE IT by replicating the posts where i "did".
that's why i post YOUR EXACT words, so you can't lie about it.
the GRANITE scenario is SCIENTIFIC, and you NEVER debated against it, because your a lying wuss. calling something a "lie", but REFUSING to debate it makes YOU look like a liar, not me.
i didn't twist anything about your garbage "educated poll". i TOTALLY debunked IT by showing WHY it IS lie thru FACTUAL accumulative world history and opinion.
you basically inferred in your solidarity to that palgarized article, that ANYBODY that is "uneducated" is in effect an idiot for believing in God, and once again your blaiming ME for your big ego blunders
i am not like you morons, that lie and can't even cover your OWN lies.
people of strength don't HAVE to lie or twist peoples words.
that alone demonstrates the EASE of my ability to take ALL you on all by myself "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:09 PM:
" You are a LIAR, I will take out your trash... ").
then DO IT
God knows i have given you more chances in here to do it then an O.J. simpson defense team, and you WUSSED out everytime, despite your three little pigs methodology.
in the meantime "while" your getting your game plan in order, can you explain to the board how you "never lie", and you never "call me names", in example, "freak"?
look, you don't have enough in the bag to go against a man like me. i take ALL you on with half my brain TIED behind my back.
if i accomplish that feat with ALL of you, can you imagine how much "effort" it takes to handle you?
your ego is writing checks your integrity can't cash. go to the movies or watch your sci fi fantasy games, but you should find another "noble(r) cause" to take on, because you have shot YOURSELF in the foot so often, you probably don't have much "blood" left.
but if your ego can't help itself.....
baHHHHHHHHHHHHA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:03 PM:
I remember everything, I am surprised that your conscience allows you to continue...
Mocking you is NOT mocking your "god", or allah or whatever.
You have become an embarrassment, I am sure your family is soooo proud...
BAHHHHHHHHAhaaaaaaaaaaaHAAAAAAAAAAAAA " "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:57 AM:
" Ok, Lodian, Billy, it's safe to come out now, I have gotten to the Freak, he has cracked...
Oh, and by the way, you have misquoted me, lied about me").
"you" got "me"? where was that? in your wuss mind obviously. you haven't even moved TRUTH 1 millimeter
the ONLY man that could scratch the surface of who i am, is the man that can actually BRING IT in the intelligence, integrity and debate dept, all three of which demanded you hand over your membership cards so they could shred them right in front of you.
your a wuss of a man robb. it is a philosophical IMMPOSSIbillyITY for you to do anything to me, that your ego dreams about.
your gum on my shoe. BIG WHOOP.
oh, and YOUR the liar. but just for kicks and giggles (and to prove YOUR the one that's a liar), where did i EVER lie or misquote you?
if you could "get me", you would post what you accused me of for all to see.
you won't, because you can't...because YOUR the liar.
i am good, huh? "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:55 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:47 AM:
" I don't hate anyone, looks like RF cannot take what he dishes out...
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! ").
if i "couldn't", i wouldn't write long winded detailed posts on WHY you people are lying morons, so i can keep the SPOTLIGHT on.
remember robb, i have more in the gas tank than all of you combined :)
speaking of a man NOT handling thier business, how about all those "debates" you lied about and said you were going to throw at me? where are they?
oh yeah, you can't take what YOU dished out.
listen, i have to step away for this afternoon. in the meantime, reach across the blog and help bob with his gaping self induced wound. as many times as you have shot your integrity in the foot in these blogs, you ought to be a certified blog medic by now.
robb said in effect; "everyone is an idiot that believes in God"
bob called gays "fruits"
looks-like-you-two-are-made-for-each-other, but-not-in-the-"billy"-way-(hopefully)
looks like i will inSINerate some more of your trash later. it's what i do, because you can't "bring" anything else "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:41 AM:
Oh, and by the way, you have misquoted me, lied about me, and spewed hate at every turn, thank you for proving my point about you and your "kind"...
Now for a snack.. "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:35 AM:
" Uh oh, looks like I touched one of Repressed Fruit's crazy nerves!").
after highlighting bobs personal insane asylum for all to see, what does the "induced" bob do first chance he gets? right back into the "FRUIT" reference. integrity hangovers do that
and these people wonder why i call them morons
what i DO like about bob, is that bob doesn't possess a mental "speedbump". the guy mashes the gas peddle of idiocy, and has NO "rear view mirror".
a-perfect-combination-for-me-and-the-systematic-automatic "reducement"-of-bob-in-these-blogs.
dog food bob. chew it nice and slow. you don't want to choke and die in your current heinous state. even your faux uncle can't help you AFTER you die, when you have to account to God about calling homosexuals "fruits".
i learned something last night. "laughing" blog style is spelled baHAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAA
i forget a couple of "H's", and you sick minded people start lying and including farm animals.
no bob, there is no "hell". just carry on as you were, because obviously the WHOLE WORLD should model thier lives after yours.
BAHHHHHHHHAhaaaaaaaaaaaHAAAAAAAAAAAAA "
Robb wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:28 AM:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:18 AM:
technically, you don't have to, to be right with God. God doesn't reside in a building, and yes the church is full of hypocrites.
BUT, the church IS a wonderful place to learn about God, in that there ARE people there that know alot about HIM, and can give you "advise", and comfort you in time of need, two aspects that you were not created to do, just on your own.
another thing about "church" is church isn't just for our benefit, it is also for God using US to benefit others.
either way, you don't ever "not go to church ever again" just because of hypocrites, otherwise you would miss out on healing strength, and then God using YOU to heal others.
as far as "you and me", when you left out lodian, it "seemed" like you were acting like the "busloads", and attacking me. i will defend myself when that happens.
so, if i jumped the gun on you, then my SINCEREST apologies.
real facts "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:11 AM:
You are so predictable RF. I hope you prayed extra hard today at your loony church for your dark, repressed, sheep defiling, homosexual soul. I doubt anyone else prayed for it. "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:27 AM:
tomorrow, bob will wish he picked a different "food group" to describe his hypocrisy. dog food seems appropriate, because with bob calling gays "fruits", that dude is so in the doghouse with the other "ain'ts" it isn't even funny. ok, it's hysterical, but i digress.
ok, time for another "truth barometer".
actually, even billy rubin will STILL say NOTHING to bob the fruit picker, all because they hate me. isn't that a hysterical FACT? that all the ain'ts cover for each other, for things they call me on.
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
for your viewing pleasure, bob insane loblaw and his UNarrested UNDERdevelopement.
i warned bob, don't play me, but he wouldn't listen...
**************************************
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:24 PM:
" Sounds like RF might actually stand for Repressed Fruit. "
billy, bob is calling you. where ARE yoooooooooooooooou?
once again, TRUTH 4, "aint's" BUPKISS
hey "busloads", go get some more tomorrow
love, real facts "
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:13 AM:
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:12 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:11 AM:
" Real Freaks post have left me feeling just dirty, I have t go wash now...
Later I will force him to disprove MY omnipotence, then, I might have a snack").
robb, i thought you said you never lie?
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
first you lied about "i have never called you names", which i PROVED before that was a lie, then your recent "real freaks".
then you lied that "i am mocking YOU", which i PROVED via you mocking God (and not me) by RE-quoting verses Jesus Christ spoke about HIMSELF, and now your "omnipotence" garbage.
ok, i made a promise. here it goes. are you sitting down, or can you take it like a man?
your both a liar AND a moron.
it's nothing new for you. just thought i would highlight the fact that you are really "just a nice guy with good intentions"
PUKE "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:02 AM:
" churches don't like it when people are divorced right? ".
if you encounter a church that won't accept you because you are divorced, then you need to get out of there as fast as you can.
churches SHOULD be in the business of helping you heal, not in condemning you for mistakes even if they were your fault.
the ideal church, the one that accepts you right where you are, and the one that teaches you how to never repeat mistakes that led you to that place.
there are STILL churches that strike that balance.
you DO want someone to tell you the truth, because that IS loving, and it will give you the strength you CANNOT find anywhere else.
P.S. i am NOT a pastor, and the "list" was aimed at telling the TRUE story of what the "ain'ts" are doing in here, compared to what they "think" they are doing in here.
i just happened to be good at it "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:52 AM:
" real facts: you handed me my ass on a platter on October 11 at 718PM . what the hell are you so pissed off at me about? ").
let's just say i don't play games in here, and when you mentioned ONLY aimee and i, and DIDN'T mention lodian as she did the same thing, then i am coming after anybody that doesn't tell the truth, and ONLY seeks to discredit me by purposefully leaving out the truth.
if your divorced, that has NOTHING to do with anything i have ever said to you.
EVERYONE, (including me) has made mistakes, and i don't bag on people that make mistakes. i bag on people that "think" they are going to lie ON PURPOSE about God and others and get away with it.
that won't happen while i am around "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:42 AM:
it won't affect my marriage, but it WILL affect the definition of right and wrong, and open the floodgates of all things immoral, that ALL of HISTORY has said IS immoral.
here is another "barometer check" on whether or not homosexuality will damage morality in this world.....what about 'acceptance' for pornography in the last 20 years or so? what happened there? that is also a "rights issue", and if it so "right", how come it rips marriages apart?
where does the moral slide end? after we as a human race have allowed all the "rights" demanders have their way?
shoot, why even HAVE any morals. how about everyone just have sex with anyone, anywhere and for any reason, because THAT'S what you are aruging FOR.
nope, history is the decider, and history says everything i just described is a PERVERTED form of "love" "
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:37 AM:
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:35 AM:
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:31 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:31 AM:
i know. brutally honest.
i HAVE to be mainframe, otherwise the 'ain'ts' bulldoze Christians/Christianity. they are used to doing it with impunity, because Christians won't take a harsh stand against "them", because Christians have been told they are only supposed to be "tolerant" and "loving".
it was the AIN'TS that used that against them for years as a pry bar on morality.
not anymore. not while i am around
it's my job description "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:26 AM:
" What the hell? I haven't even been around here that long and i'm already on real facts's sheet list? "
what are you talking about? "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:24 AM:
good. now maybe we will get to witness who has the guts to tell the truth.
tell me deltapenguin, how deep is your support of that position? does it extend to child molesters? because child molesters "in thier sick DEpraved mind" think what they do is "loving", and would love nothing more than to be extended thier "rights" to "love" little children.
since none of these other people will address that comparison, maybe YOU will?
you get extra credit if you can specifically address WHY homosexuality is suddenly a "rights issue", when for ALL of history in the rear view mirror called it "PERVersion", even OUTSIDE religion?
history-HAD-an-aversion-to-perversion.
what changed?
i hope for your sake you finish what you start. in two years i have NEVER found an opinion adversary do that.
will YOU be the one? (the 'ain'ts" were high fiving you, while hiding behind your post) "
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:21 AM:
Mainframe wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:20 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:10 AM:
" Anyone ever notice that real facts only discusses topics about homosexuals? ").
nope, that's another lie.
i just talked about GENEAOLOGY AND THE ORIGIN OF MAN, choke on it...
liar "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:08 AM:
" real facts: I do understand your argument on this, however, a portion of your argument is based upon the fact that Adam and Eve were real.
Were they real, or were they just another story told in the Bible, which may, or may not be factual").
you really should ask lodian this question, because she "claimed" she was a "Christian". baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
my arguements are based in HISTORY, pure and simple. RECORDED history to be exact, but we will play the add it all up common sense game, and truth STILL rises to the top.
if-there-was-no-"adam-and-eve", how-on-earth-does-history-contain-geneaology?
the ONLY reason you are able to type your "concerns", is because there is TRACEABLE geneaology. RECORDED genealogy, that our friend of truth robb lied about that "didn't exist".
whatever you think you can make out of the stories of the bible is one thing, but one thing IS for sure, NO ONE can lie about the recorded geneaology of mankind.
it started with a PAIR at some point in history, and EVERY DOCTOR in the world would be in FULL agreement.....it WASN'T........."adam and steve" "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:55 AM:
the problem with your position, is you DIDN'T "write the book", so you don't get to decide all on your own how history should be run, that's Gods job, and above your pay grade.
if YOU are going to use the "hate" angle with any TRUTH to it, then YOU are going to have to explain WHY God dealt with sin harshly and upfront. HE wasn't "tolerant" of it EVER.
this is what you are going to have to decide. (a) if there is a God, HE makes the rules, and WE don't. (b) "if" God made the rules, then WE have to adjust to them. (c) "if" there is no God, then WE can make it up as we go along, which THEN the MAJORITY of the world decides.
either way, homosexuality is still.....perversion. with-or-without-God-in-the-mix.
maybe YOU can explain out of a 6,000yr history, how suddenly it's "acceptable"?
you can't "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:42 AM:
(1) billy tells me to go have sex with my daughter, and that is only the tip of billy's perversion "iceberg"
(2) lodian lies as if it's her automatic "go to". autopilot pinnochio
(3) robb insults EVERYBODY, by telling us all that you are an IDIOT if you believe in God, and ONLY "intelligent people know" the truth of history, that there is no God.
(4) bob loblaw, while dreaming he is the chamPION for all things chosen heinous in here, slips on his own brain and skid marks all over the board with "repressed fruit"
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whatever got into "you people" that you would think for a moment you could make a run at Truth?
"a strong delusion" the bible calls ANYONE that thinks they can best TRUTH.
SCORECARD;
TRUTH 4 - 'ain'ts' ----> a big FAT ZERO
let me take this time to remind you 4 of your futility, there isn't a snowballs chance in lodi that a BUSLOAD just like you can best Truth.....not while i am around (and i am all by myself)
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(in 4 OCTAVES) "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:27 AM:
"Sounds like RF might actually stand for Repressed Fruit. ").
man, this is like that long awaited golden nugget you hope that your adversary spills, so you can skewer him/her all over the board, and i "almost" missed it.
say "bob", i was wondering, how is it that YOU are arguing FOR the rights of perversion/homosexuality, when you SPECIFICALLY said "i think billy is doing a great job", then you turn right around and use the derogitory term "FRUIT"?
that's-right-bob, your-ego-of-wishing-you-could-best-me, turned-you-inside-out.
"bob" thinks homosexuals are FRUITS, and there is only ONE WAY to read that. not even lodian the QUEEN of lies could twist out of that one.
i warned you a L O N G time ago bob, you don't have enough in the bag to come at me. all i will do to you is reduce you to the most common denominator you really "aren't".
that was a good one. i CANNOT WAIT to see you wiggle out of that one, and the other "ain'ts" still support each other.
this-ought-to-be-good, as-i-play-thi-t-th-HILLS "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:14 AM:
Sounds like RF might actually stand for Repressed Fruit").
you keep bringing this up "bob", why the fascination?
listen, billy is your "go to guy" in here for that stuff. your going to have to ask him.
despite your "induced" meanderings, it isn't POSSIBLE to yank me down into the gutter where "you guys" reside.
that's you "right's issue" you are ALL fighting for isn't it? the "right" to swim in the sewer, and call it "clean water".
if you want to, why do you keep inviting me to a party i don't want to attend?
NO THANKS "
real facts wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:09 AM:
especially when he makes that sheep sound").
right AFTER i posted that it was me LAUGHING at you people, what do you do in the next post, you LIE.
lodian, you spend all this time in the blogs bloviHATING as if you think your an "intelligent person", and then you immediately flush ANY semblance of being an intelligent human being by straightway lying about your adversary.
all you are in life really, is just a weak little annoying drip.
your FIRST choice is to lie.
halfway decent human beings Don't lie, or do out of desperation or what they "think" is their LAST resort.
it's what you are, and anbody that moves that fast to it has NO FUTURE.
your "gig" was up a L O N G time ago, it's that your huge ego hasn't caught up with you yet.
God have mercy on your life when it finally does.
until then, you have meeeeeeeeeeeeee "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:59 PM:
" Anyone ever notice that real facts only discusses topics about homosexuals? ").
well,..you-just-birthed-a-new-term, it's-called-"bone-headed-lie".
you have to be ALOT on the loopy side to lie that bad, just because you don't like me, RIGHT AFTER i told the board for the 499th time that you lie without conscience.
when i noted your a 3 ring circus all unto yourself, i wasn't exAGgerating.
your clown makeup is smeared.
i think if you couldn't lie lodian, something neurologically would happen, and the result wouldn't be pretty.
probably some weird primordial ooze eminating from that L O N G nose of yours, the length of which keeps "growing" daily.
there is one thing that rings thru my mind whenever i see you RUN to a lie so fast, and it goes like this....THANK GOD lodian ISN'T the benchmark of a successful society, otherwise we HAVE NO FUTURE.
just a little history lesson on the "future" built on liars/lying.....can you say "global financial crisis"?
willful purposeful no conscience lying = NO FUTURE
another thought that runs thru my mind when i encounter lodian lying.....lying = WEAKNESS "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:29 PM:
" "Discusses" is a kind term Lodian. More like rants. Sounds like RF might actually stand for Repressed Fruit. "
INDEED! And I stand corrected as "RANT" is the right term for sure. LOL! "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:24 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:08 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:05 PM:
" Unfortunately Penguin, you are trying to argue rationally with an irrational psychopath. Enjoy his insane reply, which I'm sure he'll get to as soon as he's done playing naughty shepherd. "
You took the words right outta my mouth! "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:48 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:04 PM:
Thank you sir.! "
DeltaPenguin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:00 PM:
Were they real, or were they just another story told in the Bible, which may, or may not be factual.
I understand that to some the thought of a woman/woman, man/man is disgusting and a whole slew of other adjectives. It is not a personal choice that I agree with, however, I would never deny, or try to impinge upon the right of another person to have a happy life and they want to live it.
In my book, that is cruel and inhuman. In the Bible, it is a sin. The most disturbing part about the Biblical aspects, is the hate that it seems to breed in "Christian" folk. At one time, I was a religious person. Then, one day I decided that I would return to church when they decided to let God back inside.
Let people be happy. It will not destroy your marriage, or anyone elses marriage. It will complete their lives and true compassion would seem to dictate this is the better choice. "
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:39 PM:
Later I will force him to disprove MY omnipotence, then, I might have a snack..
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA " "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:36 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:35 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:21 PM:
maybe after my movie time, i will devote my "attention" to you FULLY, seeing how your missing it.
not to worry bob. there is plenty of "me" to go around
baHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is NOT a "farm animal". that's your wishful thinking.
until i can come up with a better replication, it's me laughing at you morons.
so SUE ME
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA x10 "
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:16 PM:
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA " "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:13 PM:
And P.S., if you continue to refer to me with ANYTHING other than Robb, I will SUE you... ").
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Robb-wrote:
" It is a little newspaper web-blog, get over yourselves, no-one is suing anybody, the threats are weak..
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my my, robb has a sp L it personality going tonight.
please allow me to clue you in on four things robb...
(1) i fear NO man
(2) if you ARE a liar, and you ARE lying, i WILL call you a liar
(3) ditto above on the "moron" action
(4) i OWN what i say, and won't back down to another, no matter the "threat level", which is a tie in to #1.
the bonus round; i don't spray my 'assigments' around the blog room unless it's the TRUTH, unlike YOU, lodian AND billy, the human perversion rubiks "cube"
any questions?
just a suggestion; don't acquire the services of "JD". he couldn't even defend his OWN self, how-is-he-going-to-defend-you?
here is where you should start if your eGo is that big....
www.buddingojsimpsontype"lawyers".com
or.....1 800 you-wuss
i am pretty funny tonight, huh?
movie time
SUE ME "
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:09 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:03 PM:
Stick to molesting sheep. You have a real talent there freak show. "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:55 PM:
(1) defamation of character; for defaming your OWN "character", for lying about everyone that challenges you.
(2) for copyrights infringement laws; for "twisting" everyone's words that opposes your view. (i am sure milton bradley doesn't like you "borrowing" his game).
(3)for copy rights infringement laws on cartoon characters, i.e. "pinnochio".
(4) for copy rights infringements laws on behalf of barnum and bailey circus, for your OBVIOUS 3 ring "circus" mentality.
(5) for the MISUSE of multiple personages for the express purpose of defrauding another. (you might get away with this one, because "technically" it's not "illegal" to be crazy and/or have "multiple friends")
(5) for aidding and abetting purveyors of child molestation advocacy. (you "might" be able to get away with this one, ONLY because it's "philoshophical", and not "physical".
(6) for being friends with billy rubin ("we" would find a legal loophole to sue you on that one, JUST because it's heinous)
(7) even though "we" would love to sue you for being in possesion of a controlled substance - (leaking brain matter), we cannot. first there must precede "forenSICK evidence"
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:45 PM:
What I said,AND I REPEAT, is that homosexuality is accepted by society, that is proven by the media.
I understand that you love to hear your own voice, but sometimes you are wrong...
And P.S., if you continue to refer to me with ANYTHING other than Robb, I will SUE you... "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:33 PM:
" "history" is irrelevant").
not so fast mr. "white-out".
history is ENTIRELY relevant, both good AND bad.
look robb, you have forever lied about history, and tried to wish it away, but HISTORY is both a barometer, AND a teaching tool.
a barometer because it's bears out the RESULTS of the choices of mankind. the good, the bad and the heinous. it's accurate, and even people like YOU cannot erase history.
a teaching tool, because we are SUPPOSED to learn from our PAST HISTORY.
what our past history says about homosexuality SINCE the beginning of time is that homosexuality is WRONG.
only a small minute portion of society that is into it, seeks to justify it.
two things robb; if homosexuality has "always" been right, then show me one ongoing society that HAS accepted homosexuality as being "right" SINCE the beginning of time. you can't.
the whole of society says NO. ALWAYS has.
second, why is it, if it's "right", is only (around) 10% of the population homosexual? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:29 PM:
I have two words for you...
FREE SPEECH!
I can hold any opinion I so desire about you or anything else for that matter.
Take THAT to court, Aimee. LOL! "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:18 PM:
" Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have noticed that Real Facts and Aimee have both threatened legal action against other bloggers on these boards. That strikes me sorta strange because this is an anonymous board. "
your not wrong, but one FACT you PURPOSEFULLY left out is lodian has as well.
here we go, another "integrity giant" graces our presence.
i think if i ever witness a person on the other side of the coin pick the truth over people and agenda, i will probably die of a heart attack.
is that an incentive for "you people"?
mainframe, you purposefully left out lodian. i suggest next time you tell the WHOLE truth, or we will "highlight" your integrity flush on an ongoing basis.
unless of course you ARE lodian, then it's "business" as usual. "
Lets Be Real wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:55 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:37 PM:
This IS the place to disagree, sometimes that might get a little "dirty" in the process.. "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:35 PM:
" real facts thinks we should all live as we did 6000 years ago. Interesting... let's picture that for a moment.
No thanks").
leave it to you to twist what i said.
what a loon. you really suffer from a huge problem in life when you have to lie and twist peoples words.
i NEVER said (and you know) that I wanted anyone to live like civilasation did 6,000years ago.
what i meant (and you know i meant it) was that for the last 6,000 years mankind has labeled homosexuality as perverse.
a little history lesson. name ONE civilasation that made allowances for homosexuality, but that didn't morally implode.
your (and others) lying is the reason i am in here "
Aimee wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:45 PM:
Even though this is an anonymous site, people are still responsible for making "potentially libelous statements or damaging innuendo". Don't think that because you post under an anonymous name you cannot still be held responsible for comments that cross the line.
I've said what I had to say and I'll leave it at that. "
mainframe wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:33 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:20 PM:
Right or Wrong, most people don't care what others do or don't do. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:55 PM:
No thanks. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:27 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:14 PM:
" Answer: Things change. People get educated. People become aware of prejudice and bigotry and create change for the better. This is how we evolve").
that would be a great answer if it didn't involve the 6,000years quotient.
so your defense of your position is that ALL of humanity has had it wrong for 6,oooyears, so now all of sudden the majority of history/society is "evolving"?
that's weak and you know it.
pick a subject matter in history where for ALL of history something has been wrong, and then humanity was "enlightened" and made good on their faux pas?
i dare you to pick slavery
just one lodian "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:06 PM:
i was wondering, as i usually do, when when IS the right time in history to determine "when" things of this nature should all of a sudden be reframed as "normal"?
you guys sure are good at this. i would just like to know when you know how to do it?
waiting 6,000 years until now. you guys sure are patient "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:58 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:47 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:39 PM:
in that vein, how about it, does anybody out there in bloghappy land want to explain how we can go this far in history, some 6,000years worth, and suddenly in the last 20years or so, it's on the verge of being "acceptable"?
now there is a meaty question i would like to see who had big enough shoulders to answer?
this is where i que in the sounds of crickets
my preference to answer the question is voter, but speaking frankly like i ALWAYS do, voter isn't man enough.
lodian, you have a giNORMOUS ego that exceeds most men, how about you? better yet, how about the "man character" you tried busting out on me when YOU couldn't hand it to me? remember "lee"?
where is "lee" lately? isn't it time for "lee" to come out and play?
make up another one, one on steroids, i don't care. just answer the question "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:30 PM:
i was so into busting voter for his rediculous indefensiable position, i forgot to "thank you" for your tireless efforts to insure the immoral trifecta comes into reality.
please forgive me for not including you.
love, real facts "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:26 PM:
" Well said, Billy.
Safeway, have you never heard of "tyranny of the masses"? ").
tell you what voter, as soon as you can give a logical TRUTHFUL unbiased non agenda answer as to why homosexuality has been labeled perversion for ALL of history even OUTSIDE religion, then you can use your rediculous desperate examples of "here and there" pockets of rediculous behavior by humanity.
you can have here and there "tyranny of the masses", and i will raise you ALL of history.
6,000+ years of it
there is a reason homosexuality hasn't been "acceptable" for 6,000 years until it's push to be acceptable in just the last two decades.
God knows (literally) why your integrity is INCAPABLE of copping to the REAL reason why that is, so i will fill in the blanks for you....
the liberal minded who used to KNOW homosexuality WAS perverted, has now moved to the begrudged "acceptance" of it, so "they" can also define for THEMSELVES what's right or wrong.
trouble-is-in-defending-their-right-TO-their-rights, they-inadvertantly-opened-the-floodgates-of-all-things-immoral
to voter, a big thank you for "legitmizing" pornograhy, and homosexuality and soon the immoral trifecta......child molestation "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:20 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:10 PM:
Bob Loblaw: Aimee has a hard time when someone proves her wrong or simply disagrees with her. She likes to play this "legal" card crap. It's rather pathetic. It's too bad when people back down like that and no longer pose a real challenge in debate or conversation. Aimee just wants to shut others up and not rise to the occasion and defend her ignorant comments. Actually, I bet she "is" one of those sue happy individuals. ").
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
what a joke lodian, coming from the queen of rediculous threats in here because you can't handle garbage YOU start.
should we recount your hit parade of how many times you threatened to sue me lodian? underhanded and straight up?
talk about doing something illegal, maybe you can explain hacking my account in here to steal my password?
like i said, ad nuseaum until i throw up all over my keyboard, is that the ONLY thing i do like about lodian, is how consistently she falls on her own sword, for her "busting" people for things SHE does.
what a circus act, sans a ringmaster
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA x2 "
voter wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:47 PM:
Safeway, have you never heard of "tyranny of the masses"? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:40 PM:
" Lodian,
Felon to boot! "
deblaw: Three strikes? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:39 PM:
" Lodian,
Ever been to the "Gay Pride Parade?" Is this what you want for your City? "
deblaw: What does this have to do with marriage? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:17 PM:
The very insincerity of your position leaves me disinterested in answering any of your so-called questions. That you continue to cheer for un-equal treatment of a segment of citizens by the government, the result of a campaign of religious hatred, is answer enough. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:10 PM:
There is not a single support organization in favor of Prop 8 that is not religion-based.
Anything you have to say contrary to this fact is simply adding to your already terrific effluvium. "
lodisafeway wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:23 AM:
Proposition 8 will not be decided by just those who claim to be "religious." It will come down to what people believe to be the difference between right and wrong. Those who believe that marriage should be restricted to a man and a woman are just as entitled to hold (and voice) that position as those who are against it - without being branded hateful or homophobic.
I am constantly and consistently amazed with those who vehemently insist that virtually everyone should be tolerant of them, yet they have zero tolerance for those who disagree. It simply defies common logic.
This continuing mantra of hatred and bigotry is nothing more than a smokescreen put up by people with nothing to add to the conversation. And those coming from the both sides need to accept when an argument is over and pack it in. This issue will be decided on November 4th. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:31 AM:
How generous of you, Aimee, to conclude gays are not actually criminals based on their sexuality. And to also allow them the same rights as real people.
What you fail to acknowledge is that many of those civil rights are granted BY LAW *ONLY* TO MARRIED COUPLES. Second-class "civil unions" do not, no matter what lies are told to the public from the pulpits. The most casual of observations will prove this.
Whether or not you are honest enough to admit it, the argument against gay marriage still, and has always, been reduced to its basic element of religious hate. "
deblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:39 AM:
Just a traditional Easter Sunday in the world of Gays! "
deblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:34 AM:
Felon to boot! "
deblaw wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:33 AM:
Ever been to the "Gay Pride Parade?" Is this what you want for your City? "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:33 AM:
wow, that's some position of "strength" when you have to keep lying about something. "
real facts wrote on Oct 11, 2008 7:30 AM:
even if you remove the religion quotient, ALL of history for the last 6,000+ years has spoken - it is not "natural", and no amount of repackaging it will make it "prettier"
it never has been "love". that's only the term they have used to make it seem more acceptable
religion ; "adam + steve" = perversion
the rest of society ; joe + richard = unnatural
either way one adds it up, it will NEVER be right "
DeltaPenguin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:29 AM:
Love, whether between a man/woman, woman/woman, man/man is real. It is experienced first hand and a wonderful blessing when a person is lucky enough to find it.
On the other hand, God is what? An entity mentioned through pages, pages and even more pages of hearsay. I have never read the word of God. I have read what man has said God told them.
Love is real, no matter who shares it. God, on the other hand MAY , or MAY NOT be real.
Everyone deserves their happiness. Let them have it for God sake! Jesus! "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:29 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:20 AM:
" Aimee: Posting under your own name is just stupid. Threatening to sue people who are mean to you is just immature.
There, I said it. Aimee is stupid and immature! I await the legal papers... "
Bob Loblaw: Aimee has a hard time when someone proves her wrong or simply disagrees with her. She likes to play this "legal" card crap. It's rather pathetic. It's too bad when people back down like that and no longer pose a real challenge in debate or conversation. Aimee just wants to shut others up and not rise to the occasion and defend her ignorant comments. Actually, I bet she "is" one of those sue happy individuals. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:14 AM:
I can believe it. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:13 AM:
It's sort of sad how you don't understand that it doesn't matter what you want us all to know/think so badly about your supposed education, Aimee. Let me make this clear... no one cares, especially when you state your educational background ad nauseum. That's just odd. Your words/posts here are all we need to know about you. Your words tell me that you are quite insecure, shallow, condescending and slow.
Time to grow up, Aimee, and talk to others like adults. Let me know when you can behave like a big girl and take as good as you dish out. Your weakness is that you spout of your mouth at others and then can't take even half the crap you dish out. Deal with it or get out! It's that simple.
P.S. My legal name is "Lodian". "
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:50 PM:
" RF, you are correct, at one time being gay was illegal and is still in many countries.. One could actually be beheaded or stoned to death for such a crime").
actually, it USED to be illegal in THIS country in most every state at one time, if i am not mistaken. feel free to correct me on that one. i don't HAVE to pull a "lodian" and lie to make my point. i "believe" that it used to be.
likewise, i am SURE there is still laws on the record books in some states stating homosexuality is ILLEGAL.
why, because it's IMMORAL.
always has been for our 6,000 year HISTORY "
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:41 PM:
There, I said it. Aimee is stupid and immature! I await the legal papers... ").
suing you would produce what, a garage full of comic books?
remember, we talked about this loblaw, your developement is so arrested, sometimes the effort isn't worth the results.
truth is, NOBODY wants the burden of knowing who YOU are in real life.
the discoverer would have to sue THEMSELVES for defamation of character for having knoweledge of someone like you.
nolo contendre on the loblaw.
not even pro bono
this is the BIG LEAGUES bob......run along "
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:33 PM:
You'll notice that taking this stance will not make me a favorite of RF's. However, he understands, even though he doesn't agree, that we can have differing opinions and still be civil. ").
that's a fact maam.
the difference between you and i's relationship in here is that we have respect for one another. you won't always agree with me, nor i with you.
the deciding factor on "who" gets my "attention", is when a person tries to play games with me, or DIRECTLY seeks to skewer Gods authority over man. when THAT happens, it's on.
i could care less who a person is, or what they are into, and if you knew what i did for a living, you would know that's the truth. the difference is when a person "thinks" they can mess with me, lie about others or history.
if you want to know a fact about my personal life, i have ALWAYS had more unbelieving friends, than believers, and it had NOTHING to do with my "honesty". it's because of my acceptance of others. that is, until you "play me"
thanks-aimee "
deblaw wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:40 PM:
I could be a criminal...Isn't anonymity great? "
deblaw wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:34 PM:
Lodian, again, the 60's brought on "liberal sexual behavior". One could screw in the streets anyone and in any numbers as they wanted. They called it free love, and to hell with everyone else, to hell with disease, to hell with morality.
All this was for "love". "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:41 PM:
There, I said it. Aimee is stupid and immature! I await the legal papers... "
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:17 PM:
I use my real name on here to post because I believe that complete anonymity breeds inappropriate conduct. I hold myself to a higher standard. There are people who read these blogs who know who I am. Be careful that you don't step over the line with your accusations and untruths. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:10 PM:
However, I believe that they should not use marriage as the vehicle to obtain their legal civil rights. Marriage has been and is a ceremony intended for male and female couples, deeply rooted in Christian thought and practice.
Gays should be absolutely be allowed to obtain legal civil rights and the right to be treated equally under the Constitution through the institution of a civil ceremony. I sincerely hope that our next president will address this issue and restore parity to all Americans in regards to this issue.
You'll notice that taking this stance will not make me a favorite of RF's. However, he understands, even though he doesn't agree, that we can have differing opinions and still be civil. "
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:08 PM:
wasn't it that long ago that homosexual sex WAS a crime?
how far back in history was that lodian before we "relaxed the books" because immorality overtook history?
now suddenly your "criminal" defense just got flushed down the sewer.
that should please you. your well aquainted with the sewer in your solidarity with billy rubins spoken perversions in here.
what's next in history, the relaxing of the books for child molesters.
progression. ever hear about it lodian? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:05 PM:
1. I never said that raising children was anything but worthwhile and meaningful. Raising children is one of the most rewarding and important jobs a person or couple can ever have. In YOUR case, it seems like the ONLY worthwhile and meaningful thing you've ever done since you're so caustic against those of us that actually have an education and choose to use it to help others. Sorry you can't comprehend what it was I was trying to convey, but then you always seem to be looking for a fight instead of engaging in a meaningful and intelligent conversation. "
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:02 PM:
Aimee: Actually you are wrong again. He was gone for many months as he had to recuperate before attacking LNS bloggers again").
there you go again. lying all over the blogs without conscience.
"recuperate" from what? the likes of dealing with your lying trash? are you kidding me? your easily handled, and so are the rest of the ain'ts......all by myself.
you KNOW why i took a break, and yet you resort right to your lie about it as if it's nothing.
why would i need a break when busloads coming at me at once doesn't even scratch my strength?
all it takes to take you people to the integrity cleaners is time spent behind the computer. BIG WHOOP
other than that, it's a walk in the park for someone like me "
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:54 PM:
I NEVER said anything of the sort. Please Lodian, find the post where I said anything like that. What? You say you can't find any? Then STOP making untrue generalizations, or do you even know how to stop making them?
You're only showing the other posters that you are dishonest and untruthful by posting these types of accusations. Do you have nothing better to do with your time than to create such blatant untruths? Apparently NOT. "
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:51 PM:
Further, YOU absolutely do NOT know me. Thus, you are extremely unqualified to judge the type of person I am. Just because I agree with another poster you do not like or is an unpopular blogger on this site, does not mean I share ANY character traits with him or her. I am sorry that you are unable to figure this out on your own.
I don't involve myself with the personal fights of other people on this site. I can see that this type of activity is your lifeblood, however, since you seem to know so much about everyone on here. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:37 PM:
The only thing I am getting from you is that you state that gay people are criminals for being gay. Well, the law states differently, so try again.
Let's try it this way...
Why shouldn't the Unites States, or California, deny you and your spouse the right to be married?
Remember... separation of church and state, so none of your favorite religious attacks on homosexuals here. Leave your church out of it. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:32 PM:
A gay person is no more a criminal than you, assuming you are not a criminal. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:26 PM:
" Rf wrote: "nasty cowards don't take on busloads of people all by themselves for two years lodian."
Bravo, RF, bravo.
Even if you don't agree with RF, he has the stamina and drive to stand up for what he believes in, whether or not you agree or disagree with him or his methods. "
Aimee: Actually you are wrong again. He was gone for many months as he had to recuperate before attacking LNS bloggers again. Well, he took a break from his "real facts" character anyway. NO telling what other names he used while RF was supposedly away. His mind does funny things to him so who knows. I like how you have become his buddy though. Nice choice. LOL! I think that tells all bloggers all they need to know about you. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:21 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:09 PM:
what's laughable is that after two years, the "busloads" don't realize they haven't moved truth 1 millimeter, nor have they weakened me.
in fact, they have only STRENGTHENED truth, and me.
as far as the future in here, i am more comitted than ever, thanks to the current size of the busloads ego driven wish.
even if i have to go it alone, I WILL.
i have to. it's my "job description".
i warned them a long time ago, if they talk trash about God, Christ/Christians/christianity, they talk trash about me, then i will "flyswat" them.
if they back off, they won't even know i am around, because i won't have a NEED to be in here.
in short, "they" provide that need "
real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:59 AM:
" I NEVER said that you people are idiots... tell the truth, what I said was most college educated people do NOT believe.. GET IS STRAIGHT, i AM NOT SURPRISED YOU ARE ALWAYS CONFUSED").
look you little lying troll, your copy and paste plagarized wussMEfesto SAID that anybody that believed in God was basically stupid, and that only "intelligent" people possessed the ability to look past an obvious "myth".
THAT'S what the article infered, and YOU posted it, because YOU BELIEVE IT.
even though those weren't YOUR OWN WORDS, you copied and pasted it, so YOU own that in here.
no matter what you say, you can't get out of the fact that you got caught in your personal delusion, by DISSING 90% of the world, and most everybody in this blog.
you can lie to the hills until you self implode, obviously i could care less given your purposeful moronic behavior in here. i ONLY have compassion for people that struggle, not for people that WILLFULLY cause God related garbage.
what's funny now, is you placed YOURSELF in the MINORITY of the entire history of the human race.
it-doesn't-get-any....."stupid-er" "
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:10 AM:
Are you kidding me? Just another example of how sad it is to see that Lodian is so incredibly involved in this site that she actually tries to go to the administration at LNS to solve the issue of people using multiple handles. I had to laugh when she recently posted that she actually called the police because she thought someone was "stalking" someone else on this site. Lodian, do you even know what the legal definition of stalking is? Did you get a restraining order against that person/people? Did you insist that he or she stay at least 100 feet away from the computer? "
deblaw wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:56 AM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:43 AM:
Bravo, RF, bravo.
Even if you don't agree with RF, he has the stamina and drive to stand up for what he believes in, whether or not you agree or disagree with him or his methods. "
Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:23 AM:
deblaw wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:54 AM:
"Why should the state oppress one segment of society by denying them the rights that all other Californians/Americans enjoy every day?"
I believe the 60's answers this one!
Having a society that cannot control their personal preverse needs
is a bad idea, it opens the door for all other perverse actions.
Child molestors, rapist, etc., say they have an inbred need, they can only find sexual satisfaction commiting what our society deems as perverse, where should we draw the line? "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:48 PM:
" Separating church and state, why should the state oppress one segment of society by denying them the rights that all other Californians/Americans enjoy every day? ").
you mean like child molesters?
figures someone like you thinks granting "rights" to child molesters is now acceptable. i ALWAYS knew you were approving of the sick aspects of life.
lodian, your a legend in your own mind, but if you think for a moment that you are going to do your copy and paste troll heinous and get away with it, then you forgot about my commitment to all things heinous.
nope. chasing heinous and highlighting it, that's my job description IN HERE, and i am DEDICATED to it.
everytime you do, i do
i guarantee it 549% "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:41 PM:
" Yea, like I said, the "majority" believed in slavery too.. ").
well then, by the "majority", you must mean YOU, because you just called yourself "the majority" in the other blog. what other sick aspect of life do you high five?
we all know now YOU think that people who believe in God are idiots, seeing how you never tried to get out of that one, you still own it.
you inadvertantly called lodian "stupid", and she is still your friend. two-fer-one-deal there
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
i got to thinking, it's just not fair. you obviously suffer from a SEVERE lack of deductive reasoning skills, and i am an excellant representative of what deductive reasoning should sound like.
remember when i said to take God out of the equation on the homosexual sex issue, and the MAJORITY of the world recognizes it as perversion from the beginning of time? you were somewhere playing fantasy video games when God handed out "deductive reasoning".
actually, that's incorrect. your just a willfull moron that knows better, but doesn't care, and-makes-moronic-arguements-to-defend-your "don't care". "
Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:36 PM:
Proposition 8 will fail. It is illegal. And even if it does pass it will be rejected once again. "
Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:54 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:13 PM:
It is illegal to deny one segment of society the rights all others enjoy").
really.
then you have ALOT of explaining to do, because for all the entirety of history up until now, there was NO NEED for a proposition 8, because the WHOLE WORLD called homosexual sex what it is - perversion.
congradulations lodian for your helping hand in undoing HISTORY.
btw, the polls are speaking.
supposedly the MAJORITY of californians are against the validation OF perversion, returning HISTORY back to it's rightfull owner
YES for us
i have another "proposition" for you. don't bother calling yourself a Christian "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:06 PM:
no one should deny them their "rights"?
oh i get what you mean. a world of anything goes. now i understand the basis of your arguement "
Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:00 PM:
xstocktonian: And this is what is at the heart of this matter. NO one has the right to deny a segment of society their rights while all others go on enjoying those same rights.
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8!
VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8! "
Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:57 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:49 PM:
" Quoting a fictional piece of work like the bible does not impress me or most of the people in this community that live in reality. It seems to me that you religious types love to jump into the mix when it comes to the laws, yet you don't want to pay the admission price. (taxes) There is a reason that the separation of church and state is in the constitution. Obviously you religious sorts don't want to look at or honor that little piece of REAL literature. I say if you want to get in the ring, pay the admission price. Then, maybe, people will at least listen to your opinions. When you jump into the mix (like you are now) you open yourself to the scrutiny of all, and it makes you look like the hypocrites you really are. Keep religion out of government! "
XStocktonian: Good post. "
Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:08 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:07 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:56 PM:
The issue will return though and it will continue to return until all Californians are treated fairly under the law.
When (probably) Prop 8 passes, it will put the Constitution at odds with itself and that condition cannot continue. Next will come the church/state battles.
My favorite part, of course, is that all of it is so expensive. "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:55 PM:
NO ONE was talking to you in the first place.
go somewhere dark and talk to YOURSELF for awhile.
no one likes you in here anymore, because you INSULTED them "
deblaw wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:21 PM:
"The ad that is running is powerful and provocative. Not only does it show the arrogance of those who would impose same-sex marriage on California whether we like it or not, but it also shows that voters are beginning to understand there are consequences to all Californians if same-sex marriage is legalized. The ad talks about how people can be sued over their personal beliefs and, most importantly, that gay marriage is going to be taught to children in public schools. Those are real consequences, and voters are concerned about them." "
deblaw wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:20 PM:
October 07, 2008
SACRAMENTO, October 7 -- Yes on 8 is leading the race, 47% Yes to 42% No, with 10% undecided, according to a new CBS 5 (San Francisco) poll. That is up 3% for Yes and down 7% for No since September 25th - a total of a 10% gain for Yes. On September 25th, CBS 5's poll showed the race at 44% Yes to 49% No, with 7% undecided. Yes on 8 is attributing the gain to their first television ad, which was released last week, and to their massive door to door campaign.
Ad features footage of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom arrogantly speaking of gay marriage, declaring to Californians, "The door's wide open now. It's gonna happen, whether you like it or not!" The ad goes on to remind voters that gay marriage was imposed on California by a narrowly divided California Supreme Court overturning the vote of over 4 million Californians who overwhelmingly passed Proposition 22.
"We are thrilled with the new polling data. It confirms what we have heard from thousands of supporters," "
Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:53 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:36 AM:
time for a little "me and you" time
you scathed some accusations at me, and i was man enough to answer the charges, unlike the "ain'ts" who run away.
you would think a "guilty man" would let this stuff die so he can skate away, but not me JD, i WANT to face this music.
so without further adieu, you need to handle the rest of YOUR responsibility and answer my posts to YOU.
remember, YOU started this pas de don't between me and you, and i won't let you "skate".
what say you counselor?
listen, don't be afraid. you realize you are going to have to confront the facts and argue your case right? or did you reconsider a different career because of me? "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:09 AM:
" XStocktonian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:15 PM:
" Quoting a fictional piece of work like the bible does not impress me or most of the people in this community that live in reality.
XStocktonian: Good post").
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i don't make this stuff up people "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:08 AM:
after demonstrating to the board that despite lodians "claim" to be a "Christian", yet all she EVER does is seek to destroy Christ/Christians/Christianity by REPEATEDLY showing solidarity with THOSE that seek to destroy God also, what does lodian do....?
she reposts and high fives xstocktonians nasty swipe at the bible by calling it a "fictional piece of work".
there is not a true Christian on the planet that would repost that piece of garbage just because they don't like me.
lodian DID......because she's a PHONY
lodian, your a LIAR. anyone that shows solidarity to a God hating loser like xstocktonian ONLY does so because their a LYING PHONY.
the ONLY way you would know that Jesus Christ died for YOUR sins, is because OF the bible. without the recordation of the bible, there is no "Jesus Christ".
what i DO like about you lodian, is your willingness to prove me right, by being such a blatant liar/phony.
truth is, you don't even realize it
i was ALWAYS right about you
H5 for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "
real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:56 AM:
" then exactly which medications do you take for your condition? "
-----------> TRUTH SERUM "
Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:02 AM:
Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:15 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:18 AM:
" Quoting a fictional piece of work like the bible does not impress me or most of the people in this community that live in reality. It seems to me that you religious types love to jump into the mix when it comes to the laws, yet you don't want to pay the admission price. (taxes) There is a reason that the separation of church and state is in the constitution. Obviously you religious sorts don't want to look at or honor that little piece of REAL literature. I say if you want to get in the ring, pay the admission price. Then, maybe, people will at least listen to your opinions. When you jump into the mix (like you are now) you open yourself to the scrutiny of all, and it makes you look like the hypocrites you really are. Keep religion out of government! "
XStocktonian: Good post.
... "
Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:13 AM:
" What we witness on these boards day after day is definitely mental illness--full blown mania--which is most often a component of bipolar disorder. It's a textbook case--delusions of grandeur, babbling on without making much sense, the anger, etc. "
Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:21 PM:
" I have read that there are actually mental disorders that include the symptoms that Rf demonstrates.. "
Robb and voter: You are both correct.
--Dr. Lodian
... "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:16 PM:
billy rubin. the face of all things "normal" about homosexuality.
no wonder this world is sliding off the map of relevancy.
billy telling people to go have sex with their daughter is now "normal"
H5 BILLY "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:55 PM:
in closing, i would specifically LOVE to give a shout out to robb, who called EVERYONE that believed in God "STUPID".
(billy said this same garbage in other blogs)
since MOST everyone in here believes in God in some form or fashion, robb now has dug himself into a hole he count crawl out of. it was ineveitable. he just flushed his "nice guy" act down the sewer.
not to worry though. lodian the "Christian" will be along soon to show solidarity to robb, even though he dissed HER. lodian, robb called you stupid. laughing
what's good now, is i don't have to defend myself anymore for calling robb a MORON.
even people that don't like me realize that now.
tomorrow there will be more "trash". if i need to, i will inSINerate that as well. probably all by myself.
it's my "job description"
and billy, my "pay" is eternal life. (but the "wages" of sin for you is eternal DEATH) "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:44 PM:
figures. your not smart enough to come up with something on your own, which in turn would ELIMINATE you from your own hypothesis, when you claimed "only intelligent people know better than to believe in God".
good job moron. you not only eliminated yourself, you just DISSED 90% of the people in this world, and most of EVERYONE in this blog.
you-see-moron, MOST-people-believe-in-God, because-they-are-SMART-ENOUGH-to-at-minimum-recognize-a-"designer".
even your copy and paste plagarism doesn't hold water INTELLECTUALLY.
intelligence isn't a determining factor in a whole lot of things in life, but ESPECIALLY in the things that matter MOST.
what your plagarized author "forgot" to mention, was the AMOUNT of intelligent people that roam the planet, and have NOTHING to show for in the things that matter.
bill gates. intelligent guy. designer of one of the worlds greatest inventions (debunkmorons.org). 2nd richest guy on the planet. God hater.
bill dies without God (and there is one), bill is now the DUMBEST guy on the planet.....i-am-good-huh?....that's-because-i-know-how-truth-REALLY-works,....and-i-can-"add" "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:29 PM:
sorry. truth always wins. it always has, because truth has history.
shall we march down history lane and demonstrate how effective "you peoples" brand of history has been, and how that's worked out for you?
my replication has a 100% success rate in history.
say, how many are there of you today?
do you think you can all overtake history and me?
baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
saddle up. bring me some more. i will take ALL you on all by myself.
i just grow stronger. truth always does you know "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:23 PM:
carry on. and may you all continue as the shining examples of what society should be... "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:22 PM:
gheesh. easy billy. i don't advise God on anything. all i do is repeat what HE SAID about what will happen to someone like you that LOVES perversion and has NO intent on turning away from it.
you will have to blame God for creating hell.
you will have to blame YOURSELF for going there (should you continue).
please, by all means, pass this note onto the "others". they too think "i" make this stuff up.
in our new regurgitate society, you all are just "victims". "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:12 PM:
" If I were you, I would pay attention, this is the only time you will have, if you are not careful, I may burn your soul. ").
eewwwww, getting into the more creepy side of you now huh. listen, i know your unraveling, but what about your claim of being a "nice guy". what happened to that? is the demons inside you coming out to play now?
freaky. but totally predictable.
voter did talk about you in his 4:37pm post.
hey voter, since your a budding PSYCHOtherapissed, what do you think about the recent developements of robbs "incoherent babbling"?
voter picks truth instead of people. i would like to hear your take on robbs new "visions of grandJOURdeEGO".
what's your official diagnosis voter?
insanity? or is robb just like yourself?
come on voter. don't play the hit and run wuss game. that's reserved for boys playing in a mans world "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:02 PM:
" What we witness on these boards day after day is definitely mental illness--full blown mania--which is most often a component of bipolar disorder. It's a textbook case--delusions of grandeur, babbling on without making much sense, the anger, etc").
your talking about billy, right?
or are you talking about YOUR acceptance OF billy's comments about "me having sex with my daughter"?
the day you can pick truth in life voter, is the day you can bloviaHATE
your games over. next? "
Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:10 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:07 PM:
" A common symptom of religion is delusion. Often including notions of resurrection. But face it, you are not coming back. Well, no one has yet, with any convincing evidence, and an awful lot of people have died").
i have some bad news for you....HISTORY screams your wrong, because there were 500+ EYEWITNESSES, and there are EYEWITNESSES who opposed Christ altogether, who RECORDED their thoughts about HIM, while LIVING at THAT time.
bad news huh robb? you cannot lie about history, but when you can't make your point, you can "resurrect" yourself as another blogger and troll over to these boards and copy your drivel that you cannot defend - here.
say robb, if Jesus Christ didn't rise from the dead, why do you celebrate your birthday? if there is no "varifiable RECORDED history", how do you know how old you are? answer; because your birthday is built around Christ's DEATH.
your life is built ON that "fairy tale", because YOUR birthday coincides with dates built UPON the life of Christ.
your stink at debate. your right, you shouldn't "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:56 PM:
Billy: IMO, real facts is a follower of Fred Phelps. He talks exactly like the Phelps followers. I bet he's been to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas too. ").
different blog - same lying barrage.
it's ok, i will take out your lying trash in here too.
you know i have condemned what fred phelps stands for MULTIPLE times, and yet you still PURPOSEFULLY LIE about it.
why? because that's what liars with no conscience do. all you have done is added your "IMO" to think you can pass it under the truth radar.
it's almost halloween, but even you can't costume your lies enough to hide whats behind your mask.
i am good at this, huh? "
XStocktonian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:15 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 6:11 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 6:11 PM:
A religion by definition is a superstition. A religion is the belief in a supernatural being or beings. A superstition is the belief in magic or phenomena beyond or outside of nature. A religious belief then is a superstitious belief.
Religions seem to usually require a God, Prophets and Profits. God is usually very powerful. Not too powerful because that messes up convenient concepts like free will. Too much God power makes bad things hard to explain. The optimum amount of power can be vague and variable but usually permits granting of certain perks, like an after life. This provides a useful motivational tool. God supposedly talks through Prophets. Prophets are like schizophrenics but since most lived before psychiatrists invented schizophrenia they were believed to be really talking to God. Nowadays they would be sent for treatment. "
voter wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:39 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:37 PM:
Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:21 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:12 PM:
" Does anyone else think RF's maniacal, rambling prose sounds a lot like the Zodiac killer's letters? All the threats, list-making, score keeping, etc..? RF just needs to add some cyphers and that would seal the deal for me.
Check out the link and decide for yourselves: http://www.zodiackiller.com/Letters.html. "
Bob: Wow! Good call. "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:30 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:15 PM:
Nut bag. "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:33 PM:
Check out the link and decide for yourselves: http://www.zodiackiller.com/Letters.html. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Goodenss, Reverend. You're sounding more and more like your hero, Fred Phelps, every day. "
Billy: IMO, real facts is a follower of Fred Phelps. He talks exactly like the Phelps followers. I bet he's been to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas too. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:50 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:28 PM:
i STRAIGHTAWAY condemn what that guy stands for, but feel free to lie that i do, so i can demonstrate the "cuddly hallmark" aspects of perversion.
say billy, how are you doing on gaining acceptance for homosexuality?
constantly lying about people, telling people to go have sex with their own daughter, passing yourself around like a piece of meat......yeah, the whole world should just get over themselves and accept homosexuality as "normal".
nope billy, there is a reason HISTORY has never accepted it, and never will, and YOUR that reason
poor billy is a "victim".
billy rubin ...."it was only an accident. i swear"
perversion causes the complete decline of civilisation. it always has "
Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:19 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:58 AM:
" Anyway... have a nice evening. :-) "
your lying is straight evil.
no amount of acting on your part can cover that FACT.
maybe what i should do, is make a list of just the obvious lies you have pulled in here. that list alone will make my fingers bleed.
maybe you can explain to JD your obvious lie about aimee YESTERDAY, and then you can give your heartfelt...." Anyway... have a nice evening. :-)
PUKE "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:52 AM:
And God forbid you are not of his Christian beliefs. That in it-self gets you on his hit list. ").
nope. that's a lie.
the ONLY ones that are on my "hit list", are people like YOU that say they are a "Christian", but everything they say and do is to DESTROY Christ's authority over man. your kind is on my hit list, because people like you aren't going to get away with it while i am around.
the real Christians in here.....i WILL push them toward truth by telling them the truths of Gods word, because truth is HEALING.
as for JD, a real Christian will tell the truth about a cult masquerading as being "Christian". anybody that teaches Christ isn't sufficient (as mormonism does), isn't Christian by definition, it's a cult, and i am not afraid to call something what it is, no matter how "pretty" the package is on the outside. "
real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:45 AM:
Even after all of his chest banging, he never showed. We all were not surprised.
real facts first said he showed up at the LNS and when pressed on it by many bloggers he said well, I was there... by email").
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i said before, i never showed because you and the "others" showed their willingness to run to lying about people, and after working a long time in this town on having respect, i wasn't stupid enough to allow any of you to know who i am so you could trash that. given YOUR level of evil, that's exactly what would have happened, and i am way too smart for it TO happen.
your evil doesn't know restraint
no one "pressed me" for anything.
i said straight up i didn't show, why i didn't show physically, and that i talked to them via email. your "wish" that you can get me on something exceeded your ego, and you ran to the hills carrying that lie on your back.
big whoop "
Brian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:24 AM:
JD: Lodian is a bald faced liar. The LNS posted an all clear (on the blogs for all to see) of any shenanigans by anyone that was being accused by Lodian all those many months ago. Lodian will go to any lengths, as witnessed, and fabricate up a storm to drive home her hate to all bloggers that disagree with him. And God forbid you are not of her positions. That in it-self gets you on his hit list. " "
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:57 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:57 PM:
many of us even agreed to go to the LNS and meet with real facts to clear up any issues and accusations by real facts. He adamantly stated for months that others were using different blog names to impersonate him. This was after the LNS began to have bloggers sign in with a specific handle, which made the accusations all that more strange. Anyway, that was his beef. He made a huge deal about it. Just like he does now about anything and everything. real facts declined, again and again and kept dodging the invitation to meet at the LNS. Even after all of his chest banging, he never showed. We all were not surprised. real facts first said he showed up at the LNS and when pressed on it by many bloggers he said well, I was there... by email. This is what he told girard74 (aka lodisafeway) Hmmm, does that sound like a person that should get any respect at all? I say, no. There have been other bloggers banned/suspended for much less in their comments on these boards than the trash real facts spews on a daily basis. It just makes ya wanna say... hmmm? "
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:43 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:13 PM:
If you expect me to believe that the LNS later expressed a suspicion of foul play on the part of Lodian, Sam, or anyone else, please provide a link").
before i get myself in lukewarm water again dealing with a future lawyer, i better make sure i cover my linguistic intent witn an "appurtenant disclaimer"...
the exact words i don't recall, but in an email sent to me by the LNS, they stated there was something fishy going on behind the scenes DURING the "real_facts" deed.
ask them JD. they said it, and coupled with my gut feelings about knowing these people will lie to the hills to cover themselves, THAT'S why i am still in here.
as far as sma goes, you "forgot" to mention she refused to come clean after i asked her MULTIPLE times to explain an obvious lie about who "real_facts" was. she made two different statements that meant completely opposite intent.
I should be a lawyer (except for i would have to rely HEAVILY on a secretary, because my grammar stinketh).
your turn counselor "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:47 PM:
The term was not some mealy-mouthed "reasonably sure" with an appurtenant disclaimer; the term was "confident").
now on to what i said i would do.
i don't run and hide like "you people".
"reasonably sure". not an accurate verbatim representation of what they DID say. my bad. obviously my recollection of the exact words were not 100% correct. not good on my part, but it doesn't change the meaning of what the LNS did say.
however, your practicing to be a lawyer, and if you were on this case, even you would agree that "confident" does NOT equal a 100% certainity. you know yourself in the world of legalese, that in order to demonstrate intent or convict a person, the determination has to be 100%. no court would accept a verdict of "confident" as a person claiming they know 100%. unless you plan on getting people off as a defense lawyer ala o.j. simpson.
what say you counselor?
remember before you start, lying to make your case isn't something you can get past God. it will only get you on TV "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:30 PM:
what you cry about is that i asked you point blank questions about mormon theology. and true to your willingness to change the subject because i reveal the cult teachings of mormons, you got mad and made your excuses of "why you couldn't discuss it".
now your deflection cry is the same, it's "off topic". what a crock. the moment you go off topic again, you know i will "remind you". your excuse about begging out IS an excuse, because YOU have discussed things in a blog OFF TOPIC.
typical mormons. when confronted with the truths of what they REALLY believe (but mask until indoctrination nation takes hold), "they" change the subject and run and hide.
back to your future.....if your going to be a lawyer, how are you going to sleep at night knowing that even BEFORE you become a lawyer, you make excuses for you AND me?
unless your going to be one of those lawyers on the back of the phone book "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:17 PM:
" Real Facts, you claim I ignore pot shots at God but then cite me ignoring potshots at you. I hope I'm not making too much of a leap when I assume that you understand the difference.
I have no interest in defending your good name on the internet").
i don't claim it, it's the truth.
i could care less about anyone defending me. i do just fine on my own.
what i WAS getting at, and what is true about you, is you came after me ONLY because i exposed mormon theologheesh..
the point i made, and you deflected from is that you have NEVER said a thing to anybody else on your soapbox EXCEPT me.
if your coming at me was out of an integrity type issue, you would have said something to the others when THEY spewed real garbage.
what's funny is it's the common denominator when someone wants to discredit me. ignoring all the other garbage these people spew, and they only target me.
your motives are off, because your agenda is obvious. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:28 PM:
JD wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:45 PM:
I have no interest in defending your good name on the internet--especially when you yourself seem to have treated it so recklessly.
Do I tend to chime in on stories dealing with Mormonism? Yep. But guess what? I have other interests, too; and it did tick me off when you brought the finer points of Mormon theology into a thread whose topic was religious participation in civic elections. I have followed the ADF, was looking forward to additional discussion on the topic, and was dismayed to see you try to hijack this discussion into a theological pi**ing match. But it was my own fault, really.
Anyhow, next time the LNS runs a story about Mormonism I'll be happy to re-engage. In the meantime, I will work on being more charitable; and I hope that in return you will consider some of the things I said in my Oct 6, 10:25 AM post. "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:12 PM:
" not even respect for marriage, women or children.
His nasty sexual innuendo").
where were you on that one JD? you read it and know it's a lie.
you also read where billy told me "to go have sex with my daughter". where were you on that one JD?
i am the "bad guy", and these people start this garbage in here. all i do is finish it......like i did with YOU
you see, it's because i tell the truth about mormonism. don't lie JD. lawyers are supposed to tell the truth, right? "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:06 PM:
in the meantime, i'll provide more proof that the only reason you are coming at me, is because i had the nerve to speak upfront about mormon theology. and that ticked you off, which of course of you begged out of again when THIS blog addressed an issue that mormons assert, by lying that it was "off topic"
if that WASN'T the case, you would have ALOT of explaining to do as to why you say NOTHING to these other people in here who obviously lie, and take pot shots at God.
you only attempt to do it with me, because i am the only one that will challenge your cults teaching.
that's a fact.
all the other stuff i will handle easily TONIGHT.
"some" mormons and "some" lawyers have the same thing in common - they BOTH have an aversion to the truth "
Winston Wallace wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:46 PM:
The schools will be required to promote this lifestyle,churches will be charged with promoting "hate speech" and lawsuits will abound. A wedding photographer was recently sued because he "discriminated" against a gay couple. He refused his services because he did not believe in gay marriage.The Catholic church in some states are closing their adoption agencies because they believe a child should have a home with a mother and a father. "
JD wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:20 PM:
the LNS said and i quote "we are reasonably sure lodian is not real_facts"
At best, you are incorrect. At worst, you lie. The quote is available for all to see at http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2008/04/15/news/2_sect_080415.txt. The term was not some mealy-mouthed "reasonably sure" with an appurtenant disclaimer; the term was "confident". If you expect me to believe that the LNS later expressed a suspicion of foul play on the part of Lodian, Sam, or anyone else, please provide a link.
By the way, your bait-and-switch, change-the-topic-when-cornered strategy of debating Mormonism is also there, on display, for all to see. I'm not going to rehash it here, as it is not topical.
ask sam who "real_facts" really was, and she won't answer you either, because she knows the truth.
I've seen you ask her. Her reply, IIRC, was that it originated from her house, but not with her; and she offered to meet you personally and show you her computer as proof. I am unaware that you ever accepted that offer. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:53 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:53 PM:
figures. your another weak player who blames others for deflection purposes.
you don't like it when someone has the nerve to expose the truths of what mormons REALLY teach and believe.
that IS accureately representing "fundementalist Christianity", because one of the fundementals OF true Christianity is the blunt defense of truth against the false prophets of the faith.
thanks to your less than stellar integrity of handling the business you started, i got to highlight some more about the false teachings of mormonism.
teachings you have always run awayed from defending against me.
you always did blame me for mormon teachings being cultic, and wishing i would "go away".
not-a-chance-JD.
if you were smart, you would have apologized, and left it at that. then i wouldn't be so "inclined" as i am now to make SURE, i give you the proper attention mormonism needs "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:40 PM:
In light of your very public offers to a) permanently withdraw from participation here if you were proven wrong on a particular issue (which you afterwards were), and b) your outstanding debt to Sam for $1,000; every post you make here is an assault on your own integrity").
well, now JD, you just apologized for conduct "beneath you", then you ran to this lie to discredit me, all because you won't handle your business and qualify mormon rediculousness i highlighted.
your "repentance" was short lived JD. didn't even make it past a half post.
i told you, the LNS said and i quote "we are reasonably sure lodian is not real_facts". then i quote again "there was something fishy going on behind the scenes", when the LNS was speaking of the real_facts garbage.
ask the LNS if that isn't true JD. go down there and ask them. lodian hacked into my email on these blogs, and SHARED that info with others. ask sam who "real_facts" really was, and she won't answer you either, because she knows the truth. "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:31 PM:
" RealFacts, it strikes me as odd that you accuse me of "less than respectful" conduct on the Mormon blogs. Only a month ago you praised me as "respectful" and "a good guy". I don't think there have been any "Mormon blogs" here since then").
that's because you repented of your behavior, and started being respectful despite us being spiritual opponents.
then you went back to thinking you could take a swipe at me, for which i called you on it.
in your below post, you apologized, so we will see in future blogs if you mean't it.
i will be respectful to those who deserve it "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:26 PM:
i don't want to be standing anywhere near you when God tosses you that little bolt of lightening your way for mocking HIM without conscience. what's funny right now, there isn't a cloud in the sky, so robb can lie and say it was just a freak natural occurance.
go ask your pretend "friends" you parade around in here. maybe "they" can accompany you.
as for me, hanging around morons isn't what i call a "good time".
if your pretend friends won't go, maybe you can convince robb, billy and lodian. they are more your "type".
good luck with them. heinous loves company "
JD wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:20 PM:
http://lodinews.com/articles/2008/09/03/opinion/letters/ltr_pilmaier_080903.txt
Nevertheless, the swipe I took at you in my initial post here was beneath me, and I apologize.
I must, however, stand by my comments as to your occasionally dishonest conduct; for they are true. In light of your very public offers to a) permanently withdraw from participation here if you were proven wrong on a particular issue (which you afterwards were), and b) your outstanding debt to Sam for $1,000; every post you make here is an assault on your own integrity.
If I may be blunt: If you wish to successfully represent fundamentalist Christianity here, the best way you can do it is to kill "RealFacts," take six months off to learn a bit about human nature, and then come back here and get a fresh start with a new handle.
Best wishes--
--JD "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:03 AM:
Fido, let's go see Religulous together this weekend. I'll meet you in Sac. I'll be the one dressed as Jesus....a sexy Jesus. "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:54 AM:
" Again, real facts is disrespectful to JD. Not surprised").
JD had it coming to him. he fired an underhanded shot at me FIRST in this blog, so i am teaching him a lesson just like i am with you and ANYBODY ELSE that tries to pull that garbage in here. you mess with me, you will pay for it UNTIL you learn to be respectful.
JD has a history of not handling things he starts, so i am calling him on it. JD doesn't like me, because i have the nerve to call him on the truths of mormon teachings. our "relationship" is the fallout of the mormon blogs, were JD was less than respectful after i asked him legitimate questions pertaining to the blog and mormon belief.
it's always the same. i ask confrontive questions, and people yell kick and scream and blame me, or lie about me.
JD isn't all "innocent"
of course you LIED lodian like it was my fault about JD. he fired FIRST.
lying. it's what you do, and who you ARE "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:46 AM:
No integrity, no respect, no morals and not even respect for marriage, women or children").
liars with no conscience will resort to the pile on theory when their desperation reaches fever pitch.
because i HAVE morals, i speak out against perversion. because you make allowances FOR immorality, like billy's descriptive perversion of children, i speak out against YOU. so YOUR the one with "no morals".
"not even respect for marriage, women or children".
your such a liar, and albeit a terrible one to boot. you stumble all over yourself trying to discredit me with your lies in your desperation, your lies end up becoming so obvious.
what a loon. where prey tell did i EVER disrespect "marriage, women and children"?
she won't answer that because she doesn't care. she just sprays the room with her lies and leaves because she's a freak
PROVE IT LODIAN, otherwise YOUR the liar.
she won't
you deserve what i am giving you, and i have a WHOLE LOT MORE to "give you".
thanks for renewing my "interest" "
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:36 AM:
....His nasty sexual innuendo").
your a liar.
i have never said anything of a sexual nature, you lying twisted sick human being
all i did was EXACTLY replicate billy's OWN words when he told me "to go have sex with my daughter"
i noticed YOU didn't say anything about it, and true to form when i busted you publically on it only a couple posts down, you TWIST it around on me, and lied that i made "sexual innuendo's".
YOUR the one that approves of that perversion. your sick
lodian, YOUR the reason i do this stuff because of your post below. you lie like you don't HAVE a conscience. you will say anything about anybody.
you get what you deserve from me because your a liar.
and evidently from your last posting, you "like" my attention. good by me. i made you a "promise" afterall that i intend to keep
freak "
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:09 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:08 AM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:06 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:02 AM:
can't do that after he fired the first shot over the bow.
so here goes again, hey JD, what did you mean when you said ....."occasionally dishonest manner"?
it's not like i expect JD to respond. he always did skate when i cornered him on his "beliefs".
either way, i don't run from my adversaries. i stand and face the music until the band leaves the stage "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:21 PM:
" Bob Hussein Loblaw: No, Religulous is not playing in Lodi. I think it's playing in Sacramento. It's looks like it is worth the price of admission. ").
lodian "claims" she is a "Christian", but supports bill maher ripping Christians to shreds (or so bill thinks).
anyway, i don't lie lodian. your a phony, because real followers of Christ don't CONSTANTLY play for the other side. real followers of Christ don't aid the enemy.
YOU DO.
EVERY chance you have, YOUR solidarity is with those that seek to destroy Christianity.
and for bonus pointS, you approve of child molestation, because when billy and i were going at it, and billy told me to "go have sex with your daughter", you said NOTHING, but made your snide attacks on me, instead of telling billy how dispicable that was. YOU SAID NOTHING to billy, yet you chide people all the time. PUKE
see what happens when your ego is too big for me, it backfires on YOU.
your a phony. you "work" for the other team. i'm just good at highlighting it "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:12 PM:
haven't met a man yet that can hand it to me, what makes you think bill maher can? that guy has a Godless FAT ego and a tv career, big whoop.
how long have you been around in these blogs bob, who says "he doesn't mock God"? i have been around here for two years, and despite all the "comers", there hasn't been ONE that can best me in the ultimate truth game. you see bob, i am not the kind of Christian you AINT'S are used to playing your quasi intimidation game with. NO ONE intimidates me, and bill maher is just a suit with an ego.
you wouldn't know what that kind of strength is bobby, because your too busy loving the company in the sewer to know what it's like to swim in clean water.
find bill maher. find somebody if that is your goal, but NONE of you have enough in the tank to even come close. "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:02 PM:
"nasty coward").
nasty cowards don't take on busloads of people all by themselves for two years lodian.
nasty cowards do hit and run and lie about others because they can't finish what they start. that would be you as the mother hen to robb's chicken little.
on a singular note, i handled your trash with ease, because you CONTINUE to fall on your own sword without realizing it "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:57 PM:
(1) timothy, with whom i differ greatly. with whom i RESPECT, because he isn't a lying drivel like you that lies just because he and i differ.
(2) cogito, because cogito shows respect, and doesn't try and play games with me, like you integrity ain'ts. cogito is a Christian, yet i am astounded that he gives ANY creedence to homosexual "rights". do you see me ripping across the blog? NO. i was firm in my position, but i walked away from our disagreement respectfully.
**************************************
the reason i come after you integrity ain'ts is your forever lying about people and God, and i made a PROMISE to you if you did that, you and everyone else would be my "friend".
you, billy rubin, robb and "bob" deserve my devoted "attention".
in case you forgot, your lie about me tonight renewed my interest in what i do in here, and unfortunately for your big ego, i am here to stay.
if you only you guys had just "disagreed" with my position along time ago instead of lying about me, things would be different in here.
because-you-continue-without-conscience, I-will-remain-the-same "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:44 PM:
In real facts eyes no one else matters. No other opinion matters either. He has zero respect for anyone. I have never seen him show respect for a single person on these boards. THAT is no Christian. None of God's other children matter as real facts sees it").
same methodology, different blog.
your boo hoo manifesto won't fly lodian. you have spent one too many blogs lying about people and God because of your liberal drip.
look at you now in your frustration of me highlighting who you are, you resorted back to your old tricks of using my own verbage against me, because your desperation level is imploding.
of course you would lie about me ----> "I have never seen him show respect for a single person on these boards".
ahh, i LOVE history. archived history that SHOWS i HAVE respect for those that DESERVE respect. "differing in opinion", yet STILL respecting their opinion. i will show it in my next post where i did.
Gods-children-DO-matter-to-me, UNLESS-they-lie-about-God-and-others-(like you). then, your-an-adversary-that-gets-it's-due. you-ask-for-it, because-you-won't-quit "
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:38 PM:
" I wonder why Ross Farrow has not seen fit to write a review of "Religulous" for the front page of the LNS, LOL. "
I'd like to see that! :-) "
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:35 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:25 PM:
voter wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:22 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:12 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:09 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:04 PM:
Check out the response for that one! LOL! Come on, real facts, show your nasty dirty colors to all. Well... more so than usual anyway.
... "
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:57 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:56 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:52 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:51 PM:
Hey Rev, did you catch Jesus on Family Guy last night? He sure can act.
The Bird is the Word RF. "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:48 PM:
aimee wasn't saying raising kids "isn't" something to be proud of, like you lied about. she stated that it was your ONLY accomplishment.
NOTHING she said about raising kids was derogatory.
leave it to your nastiness to twist her words and lie about it. you always do
and JD "wonders" why i am nasty to you losers. it's because of your lying garbage, and my "willingness" to call it what it is.
so EVERYONE see's what a liar you are, here are YOUR WORDS...
"Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:41 AM:
" mainframe: Aimee thinks raising kids is not something to be proud of so asking her those questions about kids is not a good idea". "
uncle stinky wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:39 PM:
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 2:50 PM:
"How does it feel to approach your golden years knowing that the only worthwhile and meaningful thing you've ever done is raise children to adulthood?" "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:29 PM:
JD, i would love nothing more than for you to explain this statement. after you do, i will address the rest of your assertions and"concerns"
so let's hear it. give it to me straight, but make sure you are telling the truth
i am not a fun guy to be around when someone doesn't tell the truth "
JD wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:25 AM:
aren't lawyers "supposed" to weigh the evidence to make sure that pure justice is accomplished, and that the parties invovled come to the ultimate truth of the matter?
That seems to reflect on *any* Mormon lawyer who claims to have "weighed the evidence" pertaining to Mormonism, not just me. And I'm not the only person in the thread who interpreted it that way. But if I misinterpreted you, my apologies.
you see, i am not like other people who worry about being "popular". i am one of those people who will boldly tell the truth about people, and what they really believe.
RF, the treatment you receive here is largely not a product of your proclamations of "truth", but because of the uncharitable, inflammatory, self-promoting, and (ironically) occasionally dishonest manner in which you have chosen to express it.
Sometimes we're reviled for His Name's sake. But then, other times we're reviled merely because our behavior has been revolting. "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:07 AM:
what, now YOUR going to twist my words and lie about what i DID say, because you can't defend yourself?
i can understand these morons in here pulling that garbage, but i hope for your own integrity's sake you don't pull that.
i made the true statement mormonism is a straight up cult. i went on to say that YOU didn't possess the ability to reason over evidence and that would cloud your ability to defend the truth accurately.
if i had personal knowledge of a mormon supreme court leader that allowed the biases of his cult to "govern" his decision making like you do, i would have spoken the truth about "them" as well.
since your in the mood, and it relates to the comment that another poster made about his inability to tie the prejudices of black people with "gay rights", now would be a good time to watch you "defend" the 150years of mormonism's teaching that black's are substandard people cursed by God.
your practicing to be a lawyer. now would be a good time to demonstrate your "skills"
well??? "
Layla Bohm, reporter wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:06 AM:
Layla Bohm, reporter wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:01 AM:
It's not just about a religious issue, but a decision for every California voter. "
JD wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:44 AM:
http://magazine.byu.edu/g/?act=view&a=441 "
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:15 AM:
lying is not a defense, but "these people" think it is.
wow, that's some place of strength you possess lodian, that you would have to PURPOSEFULLY twist the words of your opponent in order to discredit her.
man, when i grow up, i can only dream i have a smidgen of your "integrity"
PUKE "
Lodian wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:41 AM:
mainframe wrote on Oct 6, 2008 3:00 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:17 PM:
...and Gods word says that homosexual sex is immoral.
how can you as a Christian "support" immorality?
the answer is, you can't.
not if you are remotely interested in being obedient to God OVER the acceptance of others.
i suppose if God was silent on the subject matter cogito, you could hold that position.
so what we will do is this, if you can demonstrate ONE SCRIPTURE reference that says ANY kind of homosexual sex is cool with God, i will recede from showing you the error of your position, compared to your "comittment".
for bonus points, who will you be standing in front of after you die?
the government? "other people?
"your family members"?
i know i am hard on you, but trust me, you would rather have me take you to task then God, if you are perpetuating immorality ability.
you should thank me i care enough to go the distance.
please don't use that lazy excuse men run to "you and i just disagree". if God stated homosexuality is immoral, your not disagreeing with me "
Cogito wrote on Oct 5, 2008 10:31 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 10:14 PM:
that being said, because the bible is explicit that ANY kind of homosexual sex is condemned, i CANNOT make allowances for ANY aspect of homosexuality to gain acceptance in ANY form.
any notion that homosexuality is "acceptable", i believe is UNacceptable.
based on what scripture says about homosexuality, and the language that surrounds that subject matter, i DO NOT for a moment believe that God would high five "civil unions", or ANY "rights" that appear to give homosexuality the face of acception.
you don't allow morality to repackage and redefine itself over Gods standards, but that is what is being atempted.
Gods laws trump governmental laws. you can always tell they do, by the condition of the societies that tried it "
Aimee wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:51 PM:
Would you still think that gay persons should be allowed to marry, even if they would not need to in order to enjoy the same rights? (certainly, they could still have the marriage ceremony if they wished, but the rights would stem solely from the civil ceremony).
Why then would be the reason to insist on changing the terms of a ceremony rooted deeply in religious tradition (and human history) if they could gain parity (equality) through another method?
RF: What is your opinion on the creation of a civil ceremony as described? "
Aimee wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:42 PM:
A civil ceremony would be the legal recognition of the committment between two same-sex partners that would allow them the legal rights to spousal medical benefits, life insurance policies, community property rights, IRS tax benefits and so on. "
LodiLiberal wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:49 PM:
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:27 PM:
i LIVE by faith, but faith comes from knowledge, knowledge given to us by God, not something we "conjure up".
but, too many times, people put faith before knowledge, and they get themselves in trouble because things didn't go the way they thought it should, based on their "faith" in believing it would.
you see that being played out in those heinous tv evangelists that tell people "if you only have enough faith, then you will hand over your wallet to me"
one can wish all they want and call it "faith", but if God doesn't intend it, it WON'T happen.
true faith doesn't make allowances to hand over your every "belief" to another, which is why i chided JD for doing so, especially because he has the tools to weigh facts out, but chooses mormonism despite that ability.
guilt and seduction are powerful tools, leveling even the most "intelligent" of men.
glad-you-reading-my-posts-leonard :) "
ra wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:16 PM:
Leonard wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:44 PM:
aren't lawyers "supposed" to weigh the evidence to make sure that pure justice is accomplished, and that the parties invovled come to the ultimate truth of the matter? i don't mean to be rude, but i do mean to be blunt when i say i wouldn't choose to retain you to represent me in a court of law. you have a BAD habit of ignoring evidence in favor opinion.
Hmmm... there doesn't appear to be much room for faith in RF's equation. "
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 2:49 PM:
does that answer your question about the "constitutional ammendment"?
the only way they would be for it, is if they were for an ammendment for gay marriage because they played to the majority to get more votes, but lied about it "
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 2:45 PM:
btw, when was the last time you saw a liberal pick truth over agenda? "
shrubeater wrote on Oct 5, 2008 2:00 PM:
shrubeater wrote on Oct 5, 2008 1:57 PM:
Aimee wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:33 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:12 AM:
your still in an obvious cult, AFTER i highlighted the most rediculous teachings of mormonism, and that including the fact that you are studying to be a lawyer.
aren't lawyers "supposed" to weigh the evidence to make sure that pure justice is accomplished, and that the parties invovled come to the ultimate truth of the matter? i don't mean to be rude, but i do mean to be blunt when i say i wouldn't choose to retain you to represent me in a court of law. you have a BAD habit of ignoring evidence in favor opinion.
the "valuable lesson" you should have learned, but didn't, is to stir the truth within me, by you taking swipes at me. you see, i am not like other people who worry about being "popular". i am one of those people who will boldly tell the truth about people, and what they really believe.
demonstrating once again that mormonism isn't even close to being "from God", is considered bonus points.
maybe you will think twice about doing it again. if not, i am cool with showing more of the cult aspects of mormonism "
JD wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:48 AM:
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:47 AM:
listen, i don't blame you for opting out of this discussion, because mormons have a "black eye" when it comes to the handling of black people.
anyway, what i was really doing, was teaching you a lesson that it is not in your "best interest" to take a swipe at me - straight on or underhanded.
i make people pay for that sort of thing, by demonstrating inconsistentcies in their position(s) in life.
yours is being invovled in a cult "
JD wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:32 AM:
At present, I don't want to hijack the thread. "
real facts wrote on Oct 5, 2008 12:08 AM:
the mormon church called black people "substandard" and "cursed" for what, like 150 years until they changed their doctrine thru pressure.
your a mormon. you should take this one.
how does God "change his mind" because of pressure? i never understood that one.
will the mormons flip flop from pressure on the homosexual issue too?
your the resident mormon.....answer his fears "
real facts wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:57 PM:
ummmm not quite. flawed arguement.
it isn't a sin to be a black person. never was. there isn't a single scripture outside the mormons false teaching of thier self manufactured doctrines that blacks are "substandard" people.
on the contrary, homosexual sex of any kind has been condemned all the way thru Gods word from it's inception.
you can throw out the religious arguement. all of history has spoken that homosexual sex is not "normal".
never has. never will be "
Rhodie wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:09 PM:
Marriage seminars and workshops are different than marriage counseling. The couples who are attending these workshops and seminars are most likely the ones that DON'T need the counseling. "
Lodian wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:36 PM:
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And I think the Alliance Defense Fund is seriously overreaching when it tries to challenge IRS regs. But then again, let clerics loose in the political arena and the Christian fundamentalists will eventually find better-funded, more hierarchical organizations like the Catholics, Mormons, and Muslims beating them at their own game. "
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