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How is traditional marriage threatened?

Updated: Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:59 AM PDT

I read the article in the Lodi News-Sentinel on Sept. 27 titled, "State religious leaders push for gay marriage ban."

Why is it that some ministers must find an enemy to rally their Christian troops against? Sociologists have called that kind of religious leadership "circle the wagon religion — with judgment at its core." From what the article says, it looks like this November big money conservative Christian organizations have joined the circle against gay and lesbian marriage. It is now the enemy that frightens Christendom.

It seems to me that all gays and lesbians want to do is legally live together. They are not asking for any more. How has this harmed Christian heterosexual marriage? I have been married for 46 years and don't feel threatened whatsoever.

Rather than rallying their congregations with fear, judgment and exclusion, why not remind their people again of the definition of love that Jesus taught. Let me paraphrase Jesus' words: "Whoever you are, wherever you are, you are accepted, affirmed and loved by me."

Rev. Derril E. Peabody
Lodi

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Robb wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:53 PM:

" Been brought several times, but I guess I should understand, I already know about your "selective" memory... "

Lodian wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:52 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Walk towards the light..... "

Robb: He will not see that light. "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:20 PM:

" when you say "light", do you mean blacklight and mushrooms?

look robb, your sophmoronic clogging of the blogs is growing moss.

this back and forth of dealing with your nonsense has flew past rediculous a long time ago.

either "bring it", or get a life

either way, your futile thinking of you "besting me" with your faux hallmark theoloOHno, is only providing me the opportunity to bloviYES.

if you can't afford to buy a life, i fancy myself as a possible fundraiser

btw, remember i already unraveled your "nice guy" act, so don't bother

real "spotlight" facts "

Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Walk towards the light..... "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 PM:

" exactly.

except i follow the shepard, while you follow the stupid sheep right off the cliff. "

Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Sheep... "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:53 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:15 PM:
" I am sorry that you have a hard time understanding reality").

i understood reality just fine, that's why i base "me" in HISTORY.
-------> past AND future

mine is based in HISTORY, while yours is based in a little product called "white out".

that's some accomplishment robb. your "go to" in life is white out.

for bonus points --------> remember robb, 90% of the HISTORY of the world believes in reality.

the other 10% are partying, and can't remember how to get back to their own dorm rooms

(that's a semi ode to bob loblaws peyote reduced "reality")

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:45 PM:

" like i said before, your a burned out bulb in a room full of chadeliers.

given your recent "intelligence barometer", that's more true NOW then ever.

i understood your expose on who is/isn't "intelligent", and now i FULLY understand your wish to un-embarrass yourself. it can't be done.

people make mistakes, i understand that. but you forgot who your playing your ego against. i am EXCELLANT at comparing peoples words vs thier claims, and adding up all your spew SMELLS what it is SUPPOSED to smell like, even though now your "trying" to tell the board that scent is lilac.

the "li" part is correct. the "lac" is also correct.....because your "lying" and "lacking" about the TRUTH..

i-am-good-huh? i-just-make-this-stuff-up-on-the-fly.

speaking of flies, if you think you can land on my "steak" and get away with it, then you forgot the size of my "flyswatter".

i possess just enough "intelligence" to insure my brain and intellectual arm work in symphony together just at the precise moment

bzzz bzzz bzzzz sssssssSMACK.
there goes another one of robbs lies

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwhoopwhoop "

Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:15 PM:

" I am sorry that you have a hard time understanding reality, I suppose that in your world nothing happens by mistake, and your god made you that way..

I guess that is why I keep hearing all those sheep noises coming from this blog,
is it you, or your lover?? "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Robb wrote:
" Your history is a loser ").

before Jesus Christ showed me that he is alive, and that he loves me, YES .....i was a loser.

but-now, i-have-eternal-life, and-ALL-of-history-to-back-up-my-strength.

you have history too. but lying and not facing truths in your only means you rack up NEGATIVE history.

given the fact that God is real, i put a STOP to creating future negative history for myself by bowing to Gods authority over my life.

remember my analogy of bill gates, the 2nd richest man in the world and a brillant mind? if that guy rejects Christ, all that money and IQ won't be enough for him to escape his future history.

you had it backwards. some very intelligent people are stupid, because they CHOOSE "bad history".

thanks for providing me the ability to teach. everytime you post your trolling drivel/lies, i will turn it into an opportunity to teach.

that puts you in a quandry. because on one hand your ego thinks you can best me, the other thinks it can shut me down.

all you do is provide me OPPORTUNITY "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:31 AM:

" sportsguru,
you having read my positions in here, and having read specifically my problem with peabody's "theology", why would even bother to post at 8:21am ?

your a smart guy. had you done the addition, you would have realized i thought you were making a comment in MY direction, because the "ain't's" in here call me "reverend" all the time.

you should also take note i was respectful to you in my comment about how i "thought" you misquoted me

if i WAS rev peabody, i would have to quit Christianity for being an impersonator, at least on that subject matter anyway "

Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:58 AM:

" H-5 "

SportsGuru wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:21 AM:

" .
To Reverend:

Earlier in this thread I quoted LINE ONE of PARAGRAPH three of this letter to the editor from Reverend Peabody, which says:

"It seems to me that all gays and lesbians want to do is legally live together"

In response to that, RealFacts wrote:

"You misquoted me. i didn't write/say that"

Well, RealFacts - I assume that you are Reverend Peabody? If you read Line 1, Paragraph 3 of your letter. That is EXACTLY what you wrote! "

Robb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:21 AM:

" Your history is a loser "

real facts wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:04 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:51 PM:
" Why do you dance around, using blanket statements, and never really commit to anything tangible? ").

dude, you have diaper rash on the brain.

there is no "dancing" around that, it wasn't a blanket statement, it's the truth, and i just committed to it.

any other requests?

your inconsequential in here now.
let me know when you become a man, and therefore "consequential" "

real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:26 PM:

" this is where i remind everyone that lodian claims to be a Christian, only lodian NEVER refers to God or Christ or Gods word.

you can claim all you want that you are, but when your choices/verbage are 100% the opposite everytime, your a phony.

if lodian really WAS a Christian, and had read revelation, she would have read where God wiped out a whole SEGMENT of what previously populated the earth, and part of that total purging of evil from this planet included IMMORALITY, of which homosexual sex is one of those "reasons"

unfortunately for the "lodian's" of this world, is there will NEVER be a time in human history where homosexual sex is acceptable.

this is a fact. lodian to this day, despite being confronted about it numerous times, has NEVER explained how she can high five homosexuality, but not child molestation.

it is a philosophical immpossiblity to seperate the two behaviors, and use "love" and rights" as the framework of your arguement.

the-totality-of-history-has-spoken-that-it-is-NOT-normal.

going against history on these issues, not a good career choice, because history ALWAYS wins "

Bry wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:02 PM:

" Lodian, Either you don't read or you don't comprehend and probably the later. Homosexuality is a conduct or form of practice not a person. Rights belong to persons or people not behaviors. So just because some people want to have sex and marry a 12 year old child and they call themselves Lovepeds. Shall we say they are a segment of society. Then say we should give Lovepeds rights because they want to get married. Anyone who condones the perverted behavioral practice of homosexuality is defying God's Word and God's Will for selfish wants. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:33 PM:

" Bry: Your sorry old argument, trying to relate gay people to some sort of criminal, is tired and irrelevant. Grow up. Gay people are here to stay, just like you. Gay people are no more a criminal than you (assuming you are not a criminal). So, what gives you the right to vote that they do not have the same rights as you? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:22 PM:

" Bry wrote "Homosexuality is a conduct or a practice."

Bry: So, why should you have the right to have "conduct" with your wife and be allowed to deny the same conduct by gay people? Get real, Bry! We're talking about people that want to marry, just like you and I and every other American in this country. You are picking one group of people out of all Americans and deciding to deny them their rights. Which right would you like me to deny you? Pick one. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:19 PM:

" Bry wrote "You Lodian keep pushing to justify and accept a perverted practice or conduct which is a contrary to God's Word."

Bry: Like I said... separate church and state. Can you do that? "

Bry wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:01 PM:

" Lodian, Homosexuality is not a race, gender, creed, nationality or sect. Homosexuality is a conduct or a practice. Would you call pedophiles a segment of society too. Howabout some Mormons groups that force marrige on young girls are they a segment too. Indivdual people have rights in America, not segments. The word 'segment' is a relative term and is not applicable to individual rights and freedoms. You Lodian keep pushing to justify and accept a perverted practice or conduct which is a contrary to God's Word. There is a large segment of criminals in America too. So what is your point? Homosexuality is a practice or conduct not a person. Once again segments don't have rights, people have rights and freedoms in America. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Bry: Separating church and state, why should the state oppress one segment of society by not allowing them the rights that all other Californians/Americans enjoy every day? "

Bry wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:01 PM:

" Mr. Peabody, Your letter is a distortion of truth and your paraphrase of Jesus' words is a lie. It makes sense that you did not quote the scripture because there is no scripture that states such. Read the book of Romans and it is clear that the conduct & practice of "men of who lie with men" (aka) homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes. God says to love what is good and hate what is bad. That does not mean to hate the people but to hate the conduct. Only God can judge man and he will but it is essential for Christians to judge good from bad and right from wrong to follow God's laws and commands.

Nature itself makes it quite clear how the man and woman's bodies compliment one another and that is defined by the beauty of birth. Almighty God also made it clear at Sodom and Gommorah what he thinks of homosexual perversion. "

Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:51 PM:

" Why do you dance around, using blanket statements, and never really commit to anything tangible? "

real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:02 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:44 PM:
have come up with at least one reason why they think gays that want to marry is such a threat. They use the word threat, but then there is nothing of substance to back up that claim. It's really weird. ").

"they never have"?

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 5:59 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:19 PM:
" I don't even know why I continue with that guy, but I am fed up with his rants & raves.. ").

then do something about it and debate the issue instead of your stupid little troll antics.

if you had come here and acted like a man in the first place, then this garbage wouldn't go on day in and day out.

being honest, i don't hold out ANY hope of you becoming a man in here.

people that lie without conscience usually don't ever turn their lives around.

mr statistician, maybe you can count yourself in the MAJORITY on that one too "

real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 5:53 PM:

" Robb wrote:
" because the MAJORITY in here believes in GOD...

Yea, the "majority" also believed in slavery, and the "majority" believed that woman have fewer rights then man, and the
"majority" once believed the world was flat... Didn't work out well for them... ").

so i guess you want to diss the MAJORITY of the people in this blog again? what an idiot

look the opposite of einstein, the reason the MAJORITY of the people in the world believe in a God is because they ARE smart. the reason people do is because they can see that there is a designer.

only-an-idiot-like-yourself-excuses-God-completely-out-of-the-world.

but hey, if your on a destructive path of thinking you can justify your life by DITCHING God, be my guest.

all you do will put yourself into the 10% of the other morons that WISH God wasn't real.

your aim in life is billy rubin. that's where a person ends up where your speeding train is headed to.

90% is a MAJORITY, because they realize how stupid the other 10% IS.

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:19 PM:

" I don't even know why I continue with that guy, but I am fed up with his rants & raves.. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Anywho, I do not understand how this could be capable of threatening marriage in any way, does anyone have any thoughts? (other than what a bible might say) "

Robb: I've been asking that same question myself for days! Still, no one has come up with a thing! You would think that with all this hate for gay people that they (those that want to oppress others and keep their rights from them) would have come up with at least one reason why they think gays that want to marry is such a threat. They use the word threat, but then there is nothing of substance to back up that claim. It's really weird. "

Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:06 PM:

" because the MAJORITY in here believes in GOD...

Yea, the "majority" also believed in slavery, and the "majority" believed that woman have fewer rights then man, and the
"majority" once believed the world was flat... Didn't work out well for them... "

Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:03 PM:

" I can't begin to comment, BUT... any OTHER reasons that i might think about my voting options here? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Absolutely nutty as squirrel poop. "

real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:50 PM:

" don't bother asking

according to your "truth barometer", everyone else in here isn't intelligent enough to make a statement that would please truth, because the MAJORITY in here believes in GOD.

nope, you and billy the heinous majorus, are the "smart ones"

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

i have a new song for you. keep in mind i never did this in the two years i have been in here. it's a weird anomoly in life, that someone moronic would inspire a song about truth.

here it goes...

handing it to the heinous
that's what i do
all day long
don't cha know that's true
heinous majorus all around me stew
but i give it the spolight
and it turns black and blue
handing it to heinous
that's what i do
thanks to you
that's what i do
all day long
because of you
truth is real
in spite of you
handing it to heinous
and you are thru

well robb, what do you think?

part comedian, part song writer? "

Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Like I asked, anyone have an intelligent opinion?? "

real facts wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:29 AM:

" laughing

are you two the same guy?, because now you have stooped to parroting the same wishful thinking, that "no one did".

wow, building your life on a tiny little product called "white out".
good job fellas

listen up boys, you cannot ERASE history, and history has ALWAYS stated it is ONLY a man and a woman.

even if you throw out the 'adam and eve' scenario, history still screams NO 'adam and steve'.

so you two less than intelligent space taker uppers, can YOU explain why 6 thousand years of history say adam and eve, not adam and steve?

remember robb, you should be able to handle this one, because you stuck your chest out and SHOUTED that YOU were in the 10% percentile intelligence wise, so this should be a walk in the park.

you claimed you "handed it to me". by all means, show your "intelligence" and hand me some more "

Robb wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Anywho, I do not understand how this could be capable of threatening marriage in any way, does anyone have any thoughts? (other than what a bible might say) "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:58 AM:

" What was your conclusion, Reverend Fruitcake?

You must have something besides the naked hate you proudly display here?

Something? Anything? "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:50 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Mainframe asks real facts on Oct 5, 2008 10:52 PM:

"Atheist?"

mainframe: Yep! You got it. ").

i thought this purposeful lie was hysterical.

i am an "atheist".

atheists argue FOR God for two years.

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

no lodian, you don't lie. you only tell the truth about people

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(that was laughing in 3 octaves for those watching) "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:45 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Billy: IMO, real facts is from the Westboro Baptist Church. Here's real facts' favorite website...www.godhatesamerica.com ").

"IMO"

ha ha. good one

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:43 PM:

" happy now billy? glad i could re-oblige your request. anything else i can do to help you make homosexuality "acceptable".

you seem to be doing a fantastic job all on your own. the gay community owes you a big debt for futhering the "normality" of homosexuality. i apologize billy. you were right all along.

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
**************************************
real facts wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:50 PM:

" lest we forget the lesbian couple that sued and WON for discrmination because the photographer refused to photograph them.

lodian and her ilk lie about future implications about the upcoming indicator that God must right wrongs of life soon, because they are accessories to the crime on packaging it as "love", "rights" and "innocence".

BALONEY.

the homosexuals will start suing the wallets off of anybody and everybody once that opportunity is handed to them.

they are ALREADY sue happy "
************************************
that's the threat "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:36 PM:

" just a little reminder to give lodian an extra "chance" to come clean as a human being. well really, she won't, because in many ways, she is just as perverted as billy for saying nothing about it. keeping people on the hook until they take themselves off of it. it's what i do.
***************************************
real facts wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:02 PM:
unlike you, were you said NOTHING to billy when he told me MULTIPLE times to go have sex with my daughter.

obviously YOU prefer the perverse aspects of life, and make moves in your life and here to help perversion proliferate.

sick "
*************************************
lodian didn't answer the call of unperverted society the last chance she had, and she won't now either.

you people add it all up. don't take my word for it "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:29 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:08 PM: If not, think of Jesus while you type and let yourself just imagine his strong, bronzed carpenter arms encircling you... while your fast food kid watches... sweet Magic Jesus; eh, Reverend? ").

billy perverts everything he touches, we all know that. but what i DO like about billy's written perversion is lodians lie about me making sexual innuenDON'TS.

hey lodian, step up to the plate. billy just inSINutated something perverted and sexual. plus he mocked YOUR Lord. well lodian, you claim to be the queen of integrity, what say YOU?
she won't, because shes a LIAR

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

hey billy, your doing SUCH a good job of making sure homosexuality is "acceptable". your making it seem so normal. i like the aspects you describe that makes archaic society and history want to run out and with open arms accept your replication of "normality". yep, just the normal everyday life of a homosexual. nothing wrong with that. i now have no idea what all the uproar is about as far as homosexaulity goes. sounds perfectly normal

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:17 PM:

" Lodian wrote:
" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Reverend Fruitcake, you can make all the squealing noises of protest you'd like, but you are a carbon copy of Fred Phelps.

Billy: Indeed. ").

i was thinking of your current lie today at work, and then it hit me.....despite multiple times on multiple blogs of me totally condemning what fred phelps is about, you STILL lie about it, even AFTER i called you a constant liar with no conscience.

ha ha. laughing.

you guys are such morons, you don't even possess a thought of a speed bump before you pump out your lies.

i LOVE IT.

whoop whoop

please, by all means continue your lies, so that i can sit back and watch you diSINtigrate all on your own

victory in Jesus, all the people said amen, there will be peace someday in the end, until then all the liars will self implode, and the victors in Jesus will ride away smiling because it's true

hey, i just wrote my first song.
do you guys like it?

baHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:07 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:19 PM:
" All you have EVER replicated is nonsense. ").

that's an impressive response.

spoken like a true chicken unwilling to debate it, so that you can actually make that statement without lying

baHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

TRUTH WINS, you lose....but you lost before you even got started

truth is ALWAYS....a slam dunk, and robb boy, you just fouled out of the game. now go to the showers, and ask to be substituted, because you don't have enough game.

shame on you. thinking you can play in the NBA of truth

your nothing but a double dribble, playing against truth which is the leading scorer.

hall of fame type stuff "

Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Reverend Fruitcake, you can make all the squealing noises of protest you'd like, but you are a carbon copy of Fred Phelps.

Billy: Indeed. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Reverend Fruitcake, you can make all the squealing noises of protest you'd like, but you are a carbon copy of Fred Phelps.

Instead of all of your one-handed typing, why not answer the question of the topic - just this once?

If you have an answer, state it.

If not, think of Jesus while you type and let yourself just imagine his strong, bronzed carpenter arms encircling you... while your fast food kid watches... sweet Magic Jesus; eh, Reverend? "

Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:19 PM:

" All you have EVER replicated is nonsense. "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:03 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:17 PM:

" So, after all this, does ANYBODY have an answer to the original question of how traditional marriage is threatened?

Reverend Fruitcake Phelps of Westboro Baptist? Nothing? ").

in short, people like you will proliferHATE, and the rest of civilization will implode, because then history will laid over and played dead.

nope, reading history books and the fallout of homosexual proliferation, we all know what happened NEXT

billy, i ALWAYS HAVE ALOT TO OFFER "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:50 AM:

" I am going to lunch, I will deal with your shortcomings upon my return. "

sure you will
laughing "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:10 PM:
" It's worth posting at the top...

IMO, real facts is a homosexual that has not yet come to terms with his own sexuality").

it sure IS worth posting again to show what a lying freak you are.

your "IMO" is what's closeted. closeted because it's veiled under an "innocent" act, when what it FACTUALLY is is a blatant LIE aimed at smearing me.

gee, i wonder why God created hell? "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:56 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:11 PM:
" So, after all this, does ANYBODY have an answer to the original question of how traditional marriage is threatened?

Billy: No one has given a real answer to this question. ")>

that's another lie.

if you weren't such a liar, you would have written "does anyone else have any more reasons why they think it effects traditional marriage.

you LIED.....that "no one didn't"

lying. it's what you people do, and what you people are "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:54 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:17 PM:
" Billy: IMO, real facts is from the Westboro Baptist Church. Here's real facts' favorite website...www.godhatesamerica.com ")>

your new tactic so you can pass your LIES of as suppositions...."IMO".

what a loon. you always were an amateur at lying. in FACT, all 4 of you are horrible at it.

but i am a professional at reposting it for all the blogs to seeeeeeeeee.

laughING "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:51 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:46 AM:
" So, if I was to mock you, then what? "

the thing is, you can.

i don't matter, in that it is God that matters.

BUT, if what i say is an exact replication of what GOD says, then you are mocking HIM.

as far as me, swing away. all it does is prove i am right about you. either way for you is a losing proposition.

are you SURE you have fathered 6 kids? "

Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:17 PM:

" Billy: IMO, real facts is from the Westboro Baptist Church. Here's real facts' favorite website...www.godhatesamerica.com "

Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:11 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:17 PM:

" So, after all this, does ANYBODY have an answer to the original question of how traditional marriage is threatened?

Billy: No one has given a real answer to this question. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:10 PM:

" It's worth posting at the top...

IMO, real facts is a homosexual that has not yet come to terms with his own sexuality. He is outwardly hateful to bloggers here because he is in inner turmoil and cannot yet face his family and friends with his secret news. Some people struggle with their homosexuality for decades and it doesn't need to be that way. IMO, real facts is horrified that others will treat him as he treats others here, so he continues to hide. I suggest he (real facts) trust his family and friends and tell them the "truth". The truth will set you free.

--Dr. Lodian "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:17 PM:

" So, after all this, does ANYBODY have an answer to the original question of how traditional marriage is threatened?

Reverend Fruitcake Phelps of Westboro Baptist? Nothing? "

Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:50 AM:

" I am going to lunch, I will deal with your shortcomings upon my return. "

Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:46 AM:

" So, if I was to mock you, then what? "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:35 AM:

" there is GRANITE, covering the WHOLE planet.

amen "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:34 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:07 AM:

" Mocking you is NOT mocking your god "

i like this one. it underlines your WHOLE self undoing in your life "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:07 AM:

" Mocking you is NOT mocking your god "

it's a FACT that your a burned out bulb in a room full of chandeliers, but don't use that as an excuse either.

in the other blog, you SWORE you would debate, so WHERE IS IT? where is your debate on GRANITE robb?

bob, the chiguagua in a pit bull suit , wussed out too.

oh yeah, your a liar, and a man who can't handle your business, so you sit on the couch of life in hopes that lodian's lies will slither you thru.

crawl out from behind lodians skirt and man up. where is that "debate" you said you had in the bag waiting for me?

i am good at predicting what happens next with people, and i say the future holds NOTHING more from you other than your lying wussology.

i still can't believe you have 6 kids.
stunning "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:21 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:32 PM:
" IMO, real facts is a homosexual that has not yet come to terms with his own sexuality").

laughing. ..... no "ted" in my head

of all the things i HAVE struggled with in life, that sure wasn't one of them.
laughing.

poor lodian, when she gets busted for lying about others, like she BLATANLY did about what aimee views on raising children and me busting her on it, suddenly the WHEELBARROW of lies comes piling out.

lying, especially lying constantly with ZERO conscience is the freeway sized sign that a person has no position to defend.

you can lie about till you frop dead lodian, you still will NEVER be able to discredit who i am, or what i say about God.

in your delusional ego, all your doing is storing up judgement upon your OWNSELF for lying about me.

it's your life to lose, so LIIIIIIIE away. makes no difference to me.

the difference beween your accusations is i am the ONLY one that tells the truth......your a liar, and that's not an accomplishment "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:13 AM:

" your mocking God, not me, what a moron. you mocked God when you said these words below.....all things God says about HIMSELF. you don't even read your own lies, before you post the next lie. your a little on the slow side, but that is a side-effect of God hating delusion(s)

i noticed how lodian the "Christian" didn't condemn your mocking of her "Lords" OWN WORDS.....that's because she's a phony liar. two-fer-one deal for me.

H5

here are your own words were you lied...

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 PM:
" In MY name be done"...
****************************************
Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 PM:
"Hollowed be MY name"...


your a moron. but at least you have company :) "

real facts wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:05 AM:

" ("Lodian:
" real facts "thinks" he's clever in his attempts to get others to tip their hand on what they know and have on him. real facts doesn't realize that we only let him know what we choose to allow him to know...and when we want him to know it. LOL! I say... keep trying "dude". I am confident and well represented with superb counsel. No problemo. ;-) ".

that's-code-for-your-full-of-it-with-your-underhanded-threats.

even in areas where it didn't involve "showing your cards" for purposes of the cat and mouse game you think you play, when i asked you to prove your lying accusations on simple issues that would have taken you NO effort - YOU DIDN'T, because your a liar

your a legend in your own depraved minD, and what i DO like about you, is how dumb you are in comparison to how smart you "think" you are.

your abilitity of any kind was OVER the minute you stepped over the legal line and hacked my password.

your a joke, so bring anything you think you got. you always were a joke in the threat dept.

your-"legal-counsel"-consists-of-anti-psychotic-drugs "

Robb wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:07 AM:

" Mocking you is NOT mocking your god "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:32 PM:

" IMO, real facts is a homosexual that has not yet come to terms with his own sexuality. He is outwardly hateful to bloggers here because he is in inner turmoil and cannot yet face his family and friends with his secret news. Some people struggle with their homosexuality for decades and it doesn't need to be that way. IMO, real facts is horrified that others will treat him as he treats others here, so he continues to hide. I suggest he (real facts) trust his family and friends and tell them the "truth". The truth will set you free.

--Dr. Lodian "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Mainframe asks real facts on Oct 5, 2008 10:52 PM:

"Atheist?"

mainframe: Yep! You got it. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:18 PM:

" real facts "thinks" he's clever in his attempts to get others to tip their hand on what they know and have on him. real facts doesn't realize that we only let him know what we choose to allow him to know...and when we want him to know it. LOL! I say... keep trying "dude". I am confident and well represented with superb counsel. No problemo. ;-) "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:40 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 PM:
I will debate").

talking to yourself isn't debate robb.

it's called schziopyscoticramblingimawussphrenia "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:38 PM:

" even your kids don't kneel before you

just in the other blog only a couple of minutes ago, you said "no God hating here"

liar

mocking God and thinking it's funny. don't yell my name when you pay for your lies

watching your moronic unraveling is like watching clay aiken tell the world he was straight.

i like this one especially...."i have never lied"

talk to yourself tonight. you can't even keep your game straight anymore.
taking out your obvious trash isn't even worth it when i have the option of eating trader joe's soy ice cream.

because you fall on your own sword left and right, you don't even present a challenge.

i just put it on auto-pilot and watch you abandon ship.

no parachute either.

jumping out of a perfectly good plane while having someone else pack your chute (metaphorically over your head speaking). NOPE. i wouldn't want to be in your flightsuit - it's filled with HOLES "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 PM:

" In MY name be done... just like in the granite, I will debate, you are wrong, you are wrong, Hollowed be MY name, see it as you may, but fear me you must, it may be closer than you might think.... "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:33 PM:

" In the end, as you kneel before me, geez, i bet you will be embarrased "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:00 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:35 PM:

" I have NEVER lied, I swear to me.. ").

just in the other blog you lied that you "never messed with me", and only a couple of blogs previously you were high fiving bob FOR messing with me saying "it's so fun"

that about the 20 times you lied about "debating me".

let me know how that "i swear to me" works out for you when you die and stand before the God who covered the earth in GRANITE.

go read the other blog. you have some more lies to spit out to cover your "fool's gold".

what a moron, a lying moron who can't even spread out his lies.
laughing "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:35 PM:

" I have NEVER lied, I swear to me.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:56 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:55 PM:

" Billy: I have those old blogs copied/saved on my computer. I don't feel like looking for them though. It's just not important enough as real facts is not worth the time and effort").

sure you do.

like "effort" is something your lazy about.

you always did lie and threaten me about having "the goods" on me. laughing

everytime i challenged you to PROVE IT, you were either silent, changed the subject, or lied some more about it.

cracks me up you people thinking you "have me". all you ever do is prove i am right about you "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Lodian wrote:
" Billy Rubin: You're right. LOL! real facts said he was at the LNS that day, to meet me, sam and real_facts (the nice blogger), and when pressed for an answer real facts said he was at the LNS by email. What a liar and a total freak").

that's exactly what i said "i was there in email form".

and-if-the-LNS-has-a-record-of-it, they-have-my-permission-to-PRINT-IT.

leave it to you integrity draino's to lie and twist what i said/did.

that's the only thing your desperation has left.

just like lodian's recent twisting and lying of the "replication" of aimee's words about raising children.

the liars club, and all of you are unashamed at your "membership".

one things for sure, you all desereve my "attention", and as long as God see's fit, i will be in here EVERYDAY handing it to you.

some people think it's a waste of time to deal with obvious liars like you three. me, it is worth every minute and every word to hold up Gods truth in front your face.

not that you three will repent, but to demonstrate the futility of the CHOICES losers like you make "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:22 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:12 PM:

" to debate delusions is asinine.. ").

but i thought you "debated me"?
laughing

look, all you are is a liar and a man that makes excuses. you need to get over yourself and quit blaming me.

if you weren't lying, you would have shown where you debated me.

YOU DIDN'T

your like lodian. you both make accusations you can't AND won't qualify, then you fall on the same sword over and over.

all you are good for is smearing your opponent. wow, i feel so "challenged" by your abilities.

all you ever do robb is blOvihate and make me look good "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:17 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote:
" to real facts: sam, real_facts (the nice poster), the old girard74 and myself all extended the invitation to meet you at the LNS and you refused. Hmmm. ").

like revealing who i am to you and sam is the smart thing to do in life? with you two working behind the scenes, who can tell what a meeting of that nature would amount to given YOUR level of lying. after you hacking into my personal acount at the LNS blogs to steal my password? NO THANKS.

i don't want to know who you are, because your a freak. anybody that lies to your level isn't stable.

like meeting sam was a "better option". after she threatened me on the boards with her "tech brothers", and then lied about who real_facts is because she WON'T qualify her conflicting statements, which would indict her on who "real_facts" really was. NOPE. being smarter than my adversaries is a GIFT, and one that protects me from people like you.

as far as girard goes, girard wasn't trustworthy AT THAT TIME, because he lied to cover you AND himself.

he-"seems"-to-have-righted-his-ship-lately "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:12 PM:

" to debate delusions is asinine.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:07 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:44 PM:
He should just come out of the closet already. ").

laughing.

pretty funny just after YOU accused me of sexual innuenDON'T.

you can't even control your mental spillage long enough to remember what you FALSELY accused me of.

i don't even have to prove your a liar.
all i have to do is sit back and watch you prove it yourSELF.

immediately doing what you lied that i did. now that's vindication without hesitation

btw lodian, where ARE those posts you lied about that said i made "sexual innuendo"?

laughing. what a loon "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:20 PM:
....." I have debated"

what a liar.

show WHERE you have debated me.

your one post excuses aren't a debate, they are an excuse.

your delusional.

you all lie that "i didn't", and none of you debate me, while saying you did.

show me ONE time where you EVER debated against my position, by debunking it. caling it "rediculous" isn't a debate, but it IS the same exact behavior that billy, lodian and you use.

you can categorize that as a pathetic lie "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:55 PM:

" Billy: I have those old blogs copied/saved on my computer. I don't feel like looking for them though. It's just not important enough as real facts is not worth the time and effort. He has been proven wrong so many times and he just puts those blinders back on tight. What a freak. He is a coward. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Billy Rubin: You're right. LOL! real facts said he was at the LNS that day, to meet me, sam and real_facts (the nice blogger), and when pressed for an answer real facts said he was at the LNS by email. What a liar and a total freak. Does he really think he's kidding anyone? We've all got his number. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:10 PM:

" But Lodian, don't you remember?! That was one of the funniest Reverend Fruitcake lies of all time!

Reverend Fruitcake claimed he WENT TO THE LNS OFFICE! After he was pressed, he said he sent them an email and so he "WAS THERE ELECTRONICALLY"! LOL LOL LOL LOL

Insanity, thy name is real facts. That poor addle-pated idiot couldn't tell the truth if he had to. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:49 PM:

" to real facts: sam, real_facts (the nice poster), the old girard74 and myself all extended the invitation to meet you at the LNS and you refused. Hmmm. "

Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Robb: real facts is a confused little being. He should just come out of the closet already. "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:20 PM:

" I have debated, your answers are weak, it is NOT the volume of the post as it is the content, I choose NOT to rant, as you do, I admit when I have been Proven wrong, (which you have failed to do),,

Stand up and be the man you claim to be.. "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:15 PM:

" roni95242 wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:07 AM:
" Answer me this....
When women are lesbian why if they are attracted to women then why does their partner look and act like a man??
Also the same goes for Men with Men one is ALWAYS feminine??
If they are attracted to the same sex then why the role change??
This is somthing that has ALways puzled me.
Any input?? ").

if that description doesn't spell it out for you that by design it's ONLY a man and a woman, i don't know what does.

i never thought of it quite that way, but even homosexuals play out that design when their perversion seeks to "adjust" for the "over compensation".

the "not natural" attempting to "act" natural, via re-adjustment.

good point roni "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:07 PM:

" ("Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:17 AM:
" Hit & Run Reverend, Hit & Run..... ").

your game is so weak now, all you can do is regurgitate the words and accusations i said ABOUT YOU.

unfortunately for you, another lie.

you can tell your lying by how many lengthy posts follow your lies.

funny. the regurgitation game is the same one lodian and billy resort to when they can't bring anything else to the table.

the truth is......YOUR the current hit and run artist of the moment, because you REFUSE to debate anything i throw at you, because your "position" isn't defensible.

would you like to lie about yourself some more? i have my spotlight ready "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:01 PM:

" ("SportsGuru wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:57 AM: REVEREND wrote:
"It seems to me that all gays and lesbians want to do is legally live together").

you misquoted me. i didn't write/say that. "

real facts wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:58 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:32 AM:
" real facts better watch his mouth or he's gonna get sued. It's not like it couldn't easily happen. Right vision dude. ")>

your such a pathetic loser to think you can threaten me. i laugh daily on how weak you are. anybody that HAS to lie to your level, doesn't know what strength is.

you keep threatening me in an underhanded way. so what you hacked into my LNS account and stole my password to find out my email address.

YOUR the one that crossed the line legally, and you STILL don't know who i am. smooth move on your part loser.

bring your ego driven trash to my doorstep. i dare you "

roni95242 wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Answer me this....
When women are lesbian why if they are attracted to women then why does their partner look and act like a man??
Also the same goes for Men with Men one is ALWAYS feminine??
If they are attracted to the same sex then why the role change??
This is somthing that has ALways puzled me.
Any input?? "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Robb wrote" That would be unfortunate, but on the other hand, there are some businesses that should be sued unto financial ruin"

Which ones? "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Lodian wrote " Rhodie: So, are you against gay marriage because of what gay people might do when they are awarded the same rights as you and I?"

And to answer this question, aside from thinking it is sinful behavior, what I am afraid of if Prop 8 passes are the activist in the community startign to target church organizations and religious businesses for "discrimination" thus shutting down these group.

Maybe you can identify where the "oppressed" members of the momosexual community are. Are they not allowed to buy cars? Prohibitted from eating at counters, maybe they can't drink from certain water fountains. I know, they can't vote. Or is it they can't own property?

In truth the only oppression they "suffer" (I love you you make it sound like they are Blacks in the south in the fifties) is that their "Marriage" is not recognized by the California government. "

roni95242 wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:03 AM:

" They don't want the same rights the want "special" Rights.
Bologna, a Marrige is for One Man and Oe Woman!

in my opinion of course "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:58 AM:

" That would be unfortunate, but on the other hand, there are some businesses that should be sued unto financial ruin.. "

Rhodie wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Lodian wrote " Rhodie: We shouldn't keep a segment of society oppressed because someone might have an issue with serving them as a married couple."
Lodian wrote " Rhodie: So, are you against gay marriage because of what gay people might do when they are awarded the same rights as you and I?"

So Lodian, you would endorse lawsuits against places like retreat centers and other church related marriage businesses and organizations because they would be discriminating?

A while ago you asked what the real threat was to traditional marriages. You just answered it yourself. If Prop 8 passes then church related organizations that serve marriages will be sued into financial ruin or forced to change their religious beliefs. "

Robb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Hit & Run Reverend, Hit & Run..... "

SportsGuru wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:05 AM:

" .
Couldn't homosexual couples who want to tie the knot call it "Egairram" ("marriage" spelled backwards)?

Seems that would make the religous types happy because "records played backwards" supposedly signify the devil trying to communicate with unwitting youngsters.

And the obvious "man marrying a man" concept is somewhat backwards from a traditional perspective.

No?

I thought it was clever. :) "

SportsGuru wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:01 AM:

" .
What further galls me is that this position will be attacked as being "homo-phobic" by homosexuals, simply to try and silence people from being critical of their position (and vice versa).

That is what our society has become - the "Jerry Springer Society" - from politics to sexuali