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Hearing on Supercenter delayed
By Chris Nichols
News-Sentinal staff writer
Updated: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:54 PM PDTNews-Sentinal staff writer
Next week's public hearing on the proposed Wal-Mart Supercenter project has been delayed until Oct. 8 to give city officials more time to review project documents, the city said Friday.
The Lodi Planning Commission had been set to hear arguments Sept. 24 for and against the project, officially known as the Lodi Shopping Center.
Later this year, following a commission vote, the Lodi City Council will have a final say on the project.
The Supercenter proposal has been debated across Lodi for more than half a decade, in diners, drug stores and on the opinion pages of local newspapers.
Supporters say it would boost much-needed sales tax revenue. Opponents say it would drain business from Lodi's revitalized Downtown and other commercial areas.
A previous council approved the Supercenter project in 2005, followed swiftly by a lawsuit challenging the decision. A few months later, a San Joaquin County Superior Court judge overturned the council's approval, ruling environmental reports for the project were insufficient.
Additional reports have since been produced. City officials have said in recent months the project will be required to make an unspecified "Downtown investment" as a condition for approval.
The 13-building development would be anchored by the 226,000 square-foot Supercenter.
It's proposed for the southwest corner of Lower Sacramento Road and Kettleman Lane.
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Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:20 PM:
Rhodie: Every student deserves to be bussed if they need to get to their home school location, but Elkhorn students do not deserve special treatment for a choice they made which was/is to go out to another school (IMO).
Anyway, try carpooling. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:06 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Don't ya know me? I don't use gas. "
How do you manage that? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 24, 2008 1:39 PM:
Zinfandel wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:28 PM:
"I would enjoy seeing other businesses come to Lodi. Just keep out the dumpy monstrosities. We already have a WM, so no need for a SWM. "
Lodian, how about a SAM'S Club? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:54 PM:
Lodian and the other SWM haters/bashers and all around we're too good for themers (that is mostly tounge in cheek fun, not meant as a poke or insult), would you support this concept:
http://walmartstores.com/factsnews/newsroom/6210.aspx "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:25 PM:
You're right. I'd much rather be with people who are smart enough to know how to make their $$ go as far as possible.
Ever read "The Millionaire Next Door"? The average, self made millionaire, the one who works an average job but spends $$ wisely and with forethought shops at stores like Walmart because they know they get more for their $$.
You SWM bashers can have fun with your debt, I'd rather teach my kids how to make their money go farther.
BTY, "Caveman" Is that for Citizens Against Virtually Everything (including humor apparently) that we heard so much about when we first moved here? It's funny, the first several families we met, when we asked what the community was like warned us about a collective of obstructionists who were against growth of any kind. "
caveman wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:52 AM:
If I have to explain, just go to the Supercenter, it's safer when you when you are in your own environment. Might want to have someone help you replace the leaky hose and tell you what to do with the diaper. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:45 AM:
Go figure. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:42 AM:
" Rhodie,
Next time, turn off the valve and go back to bed. Then you won't be on the streets at 3:00 am."
Is that for the plumbing or the dirty diaper?;) "
caveman wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:40 AM:
Next time, turn off the valve and go back to bed. Then you won't be on the streets at 3:00 am. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Rhodie: It's simple. If your issue is not knowing your neighbor then get off your butt and go meet them! Maybe you don't make friends well??? I can see that might be a possibility. LOL!"
If you're a representative of the average Lodi neighbor who sticks their nose in other peoples business, tells us how to shop and where we should educate our kids, is always willing to complain but never willing to effect change then why would I want to make friends with them? I'd rather make friends with people who believe in the same principles this country was built on. Free Enterprise, success for those who WORK for it, and personal freedom's garenteed in the constitition.
And talk about dumpy monstrosities, have you been to Food4less lately? There is a monstrosity if I ever saw one with the garbage left in carts and in the aisles and abandonded cars in the lot. But you like to encourage people to shop there. Why is that dumpy monstrosity better than a SWM? Because you use it? Work there? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:09 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:00 AM:
Nope, wrong again, SWM Fan! I would enjoy seeing other businesses come to Lodi. Just keep out the dumpy monstrosities. We already have a WM, so no need for a SWM. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:56 AM:
I can't imagine how our parents and grandparents (and generations before them!) could have possibly made it in this life without a 24 hour Super Wal-Mart around the corner! Are you really that helpless! (chuckle) It's so funny to hear you act like life is not bearable without a SWM! "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:01 AM:
So I guess new-comers are just out of luck in your world since we haven't had the time to build the kind of relationships needed to go pounding on thier doors at 3 in the morning asking if they have diapers or plumbing supplies.
I wonder if you are suffering from "I- remember-when-itis". I worked with a guy in Oregon who had this. HATED every new develpoment going in. Every new store was an abomination because he remembered when the town didn't go past the railroad tracks, that such and such was the end of town the other way and Whoever's Market was the only place to buy grocieries and it was better for the town back then, according to him. Safeway, Albertson's, Walmart, and all the other stores were destroying the town merely because it was changing it from his childhood memories. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:58 PM:
FYI... You already have a Wal-Mart in Lodi for your 24 hour shopping pleasure. No need for a SWM. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:25 PM:
No one is into taking your choices away. Go to hell and back for shopping! No one cares. What we do care about is what we invite into our own backyard. It's obvious that you could care less as you only care about your personal needs over what is best for the healthy growth of this town. We don't need a SWM! You do not speak for all Lodians, falcon. There are a lot of Lodians that do not want a SWM in Lodi and the numbers are growing. "
falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:48 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:18 PM:
I used the 24/7 feature many times with the little ones in diapers. Nothing like realizing at 10 that you just used the last diaper. Also used it often coming home from a long trip knowing we didn't have anything for breakfast in the morning.
There is the Food4less option but considering how many times I've almost been run over by their forklift operators coming out from the back or whipping around corners, I don't take my kids in there anymore. "
falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:10 PM:
I have pride in my town, and part of that pride is having a Super Wal-Mart. This is the BETTER OPTION! It is not dirty and dumpy. This is a great addition to our town. What makes you think that you are so brilliant that you speak for all Lodians? Lodians want a Super Wal-Mart! Quit telling us that we dont need one! Lodian, you are a legend in your own mind.....Quit being so egotistical and arrogant. The market knows more than you. Wal-Mart employees that take these risks know more than you. That is why they are ready to invest millions in this town! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:54 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:16 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:08 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:49 PM:
Yes, we already have a WM for YOUR shopping pleasure. No need for a dumpy SWM monstrosity.
Next argument... "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:47 PM:
What can you by at SWM that is so much better than what we already have here in Lodi today? Name one thing! I can refute anything you come up with. I am an awesome shopper, guaranteed! You already have a Wal-Mart here so why the need for a SWM? Come on, give me those reasons for the dire need of a SWM. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:39 PM:
Nope, you're wrong. Lodians want BETTER options than this huge dirty dumpy monstrosity called SWM. Lodians deserve better, not just whatever dumpy store wants to plant itself here. Have some pride in your town and what you will accept. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:35 PM:
dogs4you wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:41 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:21 AM:
Lodian, I would not be surprised if Wal-Marts prices are higher, how else are they going to pay for all of the added expense that have incurred from the unions attack campaign? How are they going to pay for the added expense they have incurred from being delayed 5 years fighting to build a building that should be a simple task? If there prices are higher, society has had to pay for it, and we can all blame Wal-Mart haters for it. "
falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:07 AM:
falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:05 AM:
falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:01 AM:
Wal-Mart haters want to take Lodi's options, opportunities, and freedom away from the citizens. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:48 AM:
I totally agree! Besides, T & C has IBS and can't eat half the products offered at Super Wal-Mart so I don't know why he cares so much. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:45 AM:
Timothy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 6:54 PM:
" The only "Neighbors" Timothy is referring to are the BIG Chain Grocery stores! "
You are not very bright are you , T&C. From what I read you do nothing but whine. There are neighbors in the RR area who will be affected by the traffic and pollution.
You seem to only care about your "super walmart."
Grow up, T&C, and realize that many people here care about the quality of their life over saving 5 cents on a can of soup. "
T & C wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:59 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:57 PM:
Cogito wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:23 PM:
ZINFANDEL wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:47 PM:
" Zin If Wal-Mart were ever to be built, a sizeable amount of money will be needed toward making the downtown merchants happy, something like extortion.
No matter what kind of sizeable amount of money that Wal-Mart or any other store contributes, the merchants downtown will continue to complain! "
ZINFANDEL wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:43 PM:
A hotel in RR why, the average traveler couldn`t fine RR with both hands and a GPS. As far as Gillispie continuing to reinvest in Lodi, if there wasn`t a pile of money to be made do you really he would invest in the community?
Perhaps the average traveler may or may not have difficulty finding RR. However, with it situated just off the FWY I don't think that will be a problem. Plus many of the seniors who will live in RR will have children and other relatives from out of town who will be glad to stay in a hotel within walking distance of senior they are visiting.
Yes, SJVL will continue to reinvest in Lodi as long as their is a profit in it for him. But, all businesses reinvest in the community they are in as long as it is profitable for them. Otherwise they close up shop and go somewhere else. "
dogs4you wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:38 PM:
Timothy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:03 AM:
Don't worry about the neighbors, don't worry after inadequate roads to handle the additional 50,000 cars and the truck traffic to stock these new stores, don't worry about the enormous commercial "push" bringing Lodi and Stockton that much closer, and by all means don't worry about the additional pollution to the surrounding areas. "
Zinfandel wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:02 AM:
If you had watched the cc meeting you would have heard that SJVL is required to acquired 200 acres of land for ag mitigation. Pay $1,250,000 towards the water treatment plant. $2,500,000 plus the land for a fire department and $50,000.00 towards improvements to the animal shelter. I believe that there were also other requirements mentioned.
How much more do you expect SJVL to invest in Lodi? Remember he is a local developer and will continue to reinvest in our community in the future. "
judy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:16 AM:
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