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Charles and Melissa Katzakian, owners of Morse Skinner Ranch, voice concerns over the Reynolds Ranch development plans. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)

Reynolds Ranch expansion OK'd

Lodi council's 3-2 vote allows retail development to double

By Chris Nichols
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Updated: Thursday, September 18, 2008 6:06 AM PDT

Plans to double the retail space at Reynolds Ranch — and nearly double the traffic the massive project creates — were approved Wednesday night by the Lodi City Council.

The council's 3-2 vote allows the yet-to-be-built development to spike to 750,000 square-feet of retail space, dwarfing any other shopping center in the city.

When it is completed, which is not expected for several years, Reynolds Ranch will generate more than 50,000 vehicle trips per day in Lodi's southeast corner, according to a recent traffic study.

Council members OK'd an initial version of the project in 2006 that called for far more single -family homes and would create 28,000 vehicle trips.

A majority of the council Wednesday night, however, lauded the jobs and senior housing the new plans promise.

There will still be more than 1,000 housing units, most built as compact senior homes.

Two council members and more than a dozen residents expressed strong concern over the revisions, and at times bewilderment, during a vigorous debate at Carnegie Forum.

"Simply, this is (added) jobs," Councilman Larry Hansen said from the dais, downplaying visions of "nightmare" traffic the project might create.

Others weren't so sure.

As she questioned city officials, Councilwoman Susan Hitchcock expressed disbelief that the city is prepared for the added traffic the retail expansion will cause.

"My common sense just tells me that this is just going to be a huge traffic mess," Hitchcock said.

The project is planned along Harney Lane just west of Highway 99.

Public Works Director Wally Sandelin and Interim Development Chief Rad Bartlam defended a recent traffic study, paid for by the project's developer, that says already planned road improvements are sufficient to handle thousands more cars per day.

"I can assure you we're not playing a numbers game," Sandelin said, responding to one of Hitchcock's assertions.

Project developer Dale Gillespie asked to revamp Reynolds Ranch several months ago as the housing market crumbled.

"I don't think the project has changed that significantly," Gillespie said, speaking in front of the council and an audience of several dozen residents. "Yes there is less residential, and there is more commercial."

His plans increase the commercial acreage from 40.5 acres to 78.2 acres, according to figures provided by the city. That allows the retail space to grow 400,000 square-feet.

Gillespie defended his efforts to reach a compromise with Melissa and Charles Katzakian, who own and live in a historic home along the project's eastern edge.

The Katzakians, part of Councilman Phil Katzakian's extended family, alleged Gillespie gave them 24 hours to decide whether to sell their home, which they said they've lived in for 15 years.

Quotes from the Lodi City Council meeting

"Why can't we wait for the General Plan update? ... I'm not going to support (the Reynolds Ranch changes)."
— Lodi Mayor JoAnne Mounce

"Please vote 'no.' This is not planning. ... This is greed, greed, greed and more greed."
— Bill Fuhs, a retired Lodi resident

"I don't think the project has changed that significantly. Yes, there is less residential, and there is more commercial."
— Dale Gillespie, Reynolds Ranch developer

"It seems to me the switch to senior housing might be a good thing."
— Lodi City Councilman Bob Johnson

"My common sense just tells me that this is just going to be a huge traffic mess."
— Lodi Councilwoman Susan Hitchcock

"Those three (council members) who voted for this are totally out of touch with the wishes of the community."
— Jack Dunn, a retired Lodi resident

"There will be no peace for us."
— Melissa Katzakian, owner of home on eastern edge of Reynolds Ranch project

— News-Sentinel staff

They said their daughter has experienced health problems as a result of the ongoing construction at the site.

Council members Katzakian, Hansen and Bob Johnson voted in favor of the changes. Mayor JoAnne Mounce and Hitchcock opposed them.

Gillespie told the council he made a "seven-figure" offer to buy the historic home from Charles and Melissa Katzakian, but the couple asked for between $300,000 and $400,000 more, a charge the couple refuted.

Many of the speakers at the meeting, including the mayor, asked the council to hold off on the changes until the city's General Plan update is finished next year.

Some wondered why the council would allow Gillespie to so drastically change plans approved just two years ago — questions the council majority responded to by citing drastic market changes.

"Why is the council rushing, apparently, to assist Mr. Gillespie in his economic need?" Jack Dunn, a retired Lodi resident asked.

Gillespie noted the first anchor retail stores could open at the site by the third quarter of 2009, on the 226-acre project's northeastern edge.

The new Blue Shield office building, a major part of the development, is now under construction along the highway's frontage road. It's expected to be open later this year.

The senior housing and care center, and several mid size retail stores, would tentatively be ready in 2010. The last few retail stores, on the west side of the property, would start leasing in 2010 or 2011, Gillespie estimated.

Not all residents are upset about more shopping.

Grace Puccinelli, who lives just yards from the development on South Stockton Street, said she welcomes the new plans.

"The southeast side has been underserved — all the commercial (projects) always goes on the west side," she said.

Reader Feedback

falcon wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:57 AM:

" Markets change. Look at the sales tax generated by car dealers. They cant sell cars. What are they going to do with those buildings when they become vacant? Lodi has an economy that needs to be granted free market status like all the rest. This local economy needs to be our precious baby that is encouraged to grow. "

falcon wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:51 AM:

" 16925, Sales tax schmales tax. I could care less about how much sales tax a store generates. If sales tax was a criteria, we would not have any grocery stores. Do you know for a fact, that if Wal-Mart opens a Super Center they wont sell more taxable goods because of the added market of groceries? There are so many holes in the anti-Wal Mart arguments that it is becoming laughable. It seems that the anti Wal Mart crowd is playing on the fears of people. They suggest that Lodi is going to go to hell if Wal-Mart builds a Super Center. I am calling BS on all of it because that is what it is. It is all smoke and mirrors and dire conclusions by people that have no idea what they are talking about. "

falcon wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:40 AM:

" 16925, The decision to put a new store in Lodi is validated in the minds of Wal-Mart. They seem to be very successful at what they do. What information do you have that they do not? I keep finding it humorous that ordinary citizens entertain themselves with the thought that they know more than the acquisitions people from Wal-Mart. Also, I have never heard the same argument made, and used as a reason for denial, that because Lodi wont support a store, it should not be allowed to locate here. "

falcon wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:33 AM:

" JF, a falcon does not go Ka Ka Ka, that is a crow. "

JF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:34 PM:

" Falcon, I want you to sign your posts with this farewell "KA KA, KA KA" pleeeease. "

JF wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:33 PM:

" This just in: Gillespie changes business model for SWM site. It will now be an indoor drive in theater and a very large "Dales Take and Bake pizza and calzone" joint. But I here the menu says "No Substitutions" so all you get is what he is serving! Like it or not... "

16925 wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:05 AM:

" falcon, i disagree your thoughts on the one time fees to the city as equal to the transfer of sales tax. and you failed to mention if you are a business owner or a consumer of both. the choice issue will be one we disagree on. i still believe that to drive just 10 miles away is still a good option. in fact, free enterprise brought that choice to us. why? becuase stockton can sustain a store of that magnitude. ps. the old stockton walmart store across the street from the new swm is still empty. "

falcon wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:24 AM:

" These are fundamental basic economic principals that need to be recognized for the betterment of all.

The continued hindrance of these entities from forwarding these projects, costs us all more money. These projects pay millions in fees to the city and other ancillary entities. Your sales tax argument is peanuts compared to what is forgone in fees. I don't think you have any idea the amount of money that changes hands just for "permission" from the city. It is in the millions. Who pays for that? I will tell you. The consumer pays for it and it comes from profit that future businesses make. New profitable business pays employees salaries. Employed people spend their money on other things like cars, gas, food, insurance, houses, and everything else. This benefits others by allowing them to keep their jobs. It is not wise for our city and our citizens to ignore these needed benefits, especially in these times. "

falcon wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:04 AM:

" 16925, RR retail and any new retail will not be built unless there are substantial tenants in place, with leases that support the costs of construction. This idea that there are going to be empty building constructed for fun is a myth. It is not how it works. The public needs to be educated on the mechanics of how these projects proceed. Lets say a Costco decides to locate at RR. That traffic will support another type of business. Instead of going to Stockton to shop at Costco Lodians will go to the Lodi Costco. Local economic growth is the benefit. Economic growth is the goal. It puts money in peoples pocket. That money gets spent or saved. "

falcon wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:55 AM:

" 16925, Well if the argument is weak, why would you validate the premise that my freedom is an issue? You have suggested that my freedom is not taken away, lending substance to my weak argument, but now any person that lives in Lodi would have to drive to Stockton, waste time and gas, to shop at SWM. Is my time and money my freedom too? I could be doing other things and spending money on other things. All Lodians that want to shop at SWM, then have to waste time, gas, and money and add to the 99 traffic.

That conclusion I think makes us all worse off! "

16925 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:46 AM:

" 2nd, falcon, do you have a business or will have a business that will fill the thousands of square feet of new retail space that rr will offer? or do you have all the extra $ to fund said retail space?
and, lastly on the swm: the only diffence between the current store and the supper store will be the grocery factor. groceries are tax exempt. someone please tell me how a new swm with grocery component that is tax expempt will add to lodi's sales tax base. "

16925 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:40 AM:

" falcon, as much as i appreciate your desire to shop at walmart (a super one), i believe you have a weak agruement. 1st you have the ability to shop at a smw less than 10 miles away. i too believe free enterprise is the best direction for our country with little governement involvement, i also believe in planning your city to best suit the need of that community. is a swm best for lodi? well, i guess cc thought rr is! "

Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:02 PM:

" falcon wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:08 PM:

" Rhodie, What the hell? I would support a firing/gun range... "

I guess it depends on which way they are aiming their guns. "

falcon wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:00 PM:

" Lodian wrote, "So, your attitude is to just let it all go to hell.

It is not all going to hell Lodian, It will be OK.

Lodian wrote,"If you have one of your undesirable family members staying at your house do you then just invite your whole undesirable clan as well?

Prejudice rears its ugly head again. Who are you better than Lodian?

Lodian wrote, "Have you no control? Do you not have a vested interest in what becomes of your surroundings, safety, health and peaceful home?"

Yes I do, but I do not subscribe to your doom and gloom pessimism regarding Wal-Mart because it is based in fear propagated from predatory competitors of Wal-Mart. Lodian, the sky is not falling. Breath Breath.. Flap Flap Flap. The falcon wings will cool you down. "

falcon wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Lodian wrote, "I'm not telling anyone where to shop. Shop anywhere you choose. You, on the other hand, want to force this dirty monstrosity they call a SWM into my backyard. Shame on you. "

Lodian you say "Shop anywhere you choose,", but I want to shop at SWM. I cant shop anywhere I choose can I. This is because you would take my choice away. Give me that feather back! "

falcon wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:08 PM:

" Rhodie, What the hell? I would support a firing/gun range... "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:26 PM:

" Correction, I misunderstood Lodian's questions.
I would support a SAM'S Club. "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:22 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Let me ask a question. What wouldn't you support being built in place of the SWM? "

SAM'S CLUB!!! "

Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:52 PM:

" "So, your attitude is to just let it all go to hell."

So ALL the problems in Lodi are directly attributed to the WM that lives in one little corner?

"Do you not have a vested interest in what becomes of your surroundings, safety, health and peaceful home?"

Super Walmart is Dangerous? It's unhealthy? They come into homes and stomp on your things? I'm sure you have facts to back this up.

Have you seen the plans for the new SWM? Do you know what it is going to look like?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3092/is_n20_v36/ai_19930066

http://www.uwex.edu/ces/cced/downtowns/ltb/lets/LTB0806.pdf

Lodian, would you support this concept:
http://walmartstores.com/factsnews/newsroom/6210.aspx "

Rhodie wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:44 PM:

" A race track, drag strip. Outdoor concert hall. Neuclear reactor. Firing/gun range. Costco (I think the store would take up too much room and there would be no parking otherwise cool, build it, I'll be there.) Old tire processing plant. Home Depot. Carnival grounds. A C.A.V.E. headquarters. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Let me ask a question. What wouldn't you support being built in place of the SWM? "

Lodian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:23 AM:

" falcon wrote "Is Lodi peaceful, clean, healthy, and a pleasant town environment now? If so, how could it be that way with the current Wal-Mart? If not, then, SWM does not matter."

So, your attitude is to just let it all go to hell. If you have one of your undesirable family members staying at your house do you then just invite your whole undesirable clan as well? Have you no control? Do you not have a vested interest in what becomes of your surroundings, safety, health and peaceful home?

(Pluck... My collection of falcon quills is growing.) "

Lodian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:16 AM:

" falcon wrote "who are you to tell me where to shop?"

I'm not telling anyone where to shop. Shop anywhere you choose. You, on the other hand, want to force this dirty monstrosity they call a SWM into my backyard. Shame on you. "

falcon wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:12 AM:

" peck peck peck... I wont accuse you of not having a brain. That would be presumptions. Kind of like thinking I speak for all citizens needs. peck peck peck... Flap Flap Flap.. Off into the sky looking down with my falcon eye. "

falcon wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:06 AM:

" Lodian wrote, "Look at it this way... SWM supporters are taking away our right to a peaceful, clean, healthy, pleasant town environment. You can go to the current WM for your Wally needs. We don't need a SWM in Lodi. "

Is Lodi peaceful, clean, healthy, and a pleasant town environment now? If so, how could it be that way with the current Wal-Mart? If not, then, SWM does not matter. How is the new SWM going to change that? Also, who are you to tell me where to shop? Is this the Soviet Union? Lodian when you say "We dont need a SWM in Lodi," it makes me shake my head in disbelief that one person could think that they speak for the needs of an entire city. It sounds like there is a lot of pressure up there and you need the falcon to pick your brain. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:36 PM:

" falcon wrote "Falcon is eating your brain."

Trying to find what you're lacking? LOL! "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:25 PM:

" falcon wrote "Lodian, Wal Mart shoppers do not take our freedom away from us, Wal Mart haters want to take our freedom away from us. They do not want us to have the opportunity to shop at Wal Mart. "

Look at it this way... SWM supporters are taking away our right to a peaceful, clean, healthy, pleasant town environment. You can go to the current WM for your Wally needs. We don't need a SWM in Lodi. "

falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:58 PM:

" Falcon is eating your brain. "

falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:58 PM:

" Lodian, Wal Mart shoppers do not take our freedom away from us, Wal Mart haters want to take our freedom away from us. They do not want us to have the opportunity to shop at Wal Mart. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:34 PM:

" falcon wrote "Keeping a falcon eye on all of the vermin that are willing to take our freedom away from us."

You mean the Wal-Mart shoppers? "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Oh wait... falcon looks to be okay, just a little dazed and confused. Obviously Wal-Mart makes their signs cheap too as falcon survived the impact into that cheap sign (made in China). LOL! "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Oops, I think I just saw falcon hit and splatter all over a Wal-Mart sign! "

falcon wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Lodian, no bird flu. Still here. Flying high over anti business, anti free market, and anti-Wal Mart rodents. Keeping a falcon eye on all of the vermin that are willing to take our freedom away from us. Ha Ha Ha... "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:27 AM:

" wtf: I think "falcon" has the Bird Flu. "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:23 AM:

" midtowner wrote "wtf: I have read your posts and you continually refer to "youtube" and other internet sources in an attempt to make a point. Your credibility is serioulsy questionable, not to mention your opinions."

midtowner: Youtube has tons of useful information. There are plenty of newscasts, clips, segments, interviews and plenty of things caught on tape to be seen in full. What do you have against this information? "

Lodian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:17 AM:

" Observer wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:11 AM:

" New Flash: t&c, etal has admitted on the Record website (eyewhitie) that he has once again been banned from the LNS website. I would speculate that several of his other blog names will disappear as well. "

I can think of one or two other bloggers that should have been banned a long time ago. "

Observer wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Oh Common, everyone knows what GFY stands for......good for you. "

edumacation wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:50 PM:

" To: Observer and commonsense1 your orientation issues are showing. Call Dr Laura, maybe she can help your dilemma. "

commonsense1 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:39 PM:

" Observer....GFY???? This is truly a brain teaser, but let me help edumacation. Taking a wild guess, I would think the first word is "Go" and the last word might be "yourself" or something similar to that. Only trying to help. Have a nice weekend. "

Observer wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:59 PM:

" Edu, what is that all about? You spend too much time text messaging. Figure this one out....GFY "

commonsense1 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:24 PM:

" oldguy.....Johnson and Katzakian played it perfectly. They just sat back and let Hitchcock make a fool of herself "again". At first it was funny, but it got embarassing fast. She couldn't even understand the information or recommendations of her own city staff and consultants. After that display, what could Johnson and Katzakian say? All of the EIR questions were answered multiple times, by multiple people. Hansen voiced a number of obvious reasons why this was a good project for Lodi. What's left to say other than "Approved"? "

edumacation wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:12 AM:

" To Observer: Say WHAT? LOL

You remind me of a little kid who runs around crying " Joey made me do it"? LOL ROFL. So what happened? Too much truth on the posts? Go back to your legumes! "

Observer wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:13 AM:

" http://forums.recordnet.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=sr-news&tid=8937 "

Observer wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:11 AM:

" New Flash: t&c, etal has admitted on the Record website (eyewhitie) that he has once again been banned from the LNS website. I would speculate that several of his other blog names will disappear as well. "

t&c attacks wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:29 PM:

" " By the way Susan, We know you do not respect dissenting opinions but your tantrums are wearing a little thin. The "lipstick" comment directed toward a fellow council member was uncalled for, unprofessional, disrespectful, and very unoriginal. (We heard that one from Barrack). Your recommended agenda item "all work on the general plan be suspended" is way over-the-top and lacks judgment. All you are looking for is a spotlight on another of your trembling, mean spirited attacks on fellow council members. It's time you resign before you have a complete meltdown. "

dogs4you wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:27 PM:

" giovanina of all the comments posted today, yours was the best, comparing Harney Ln. to the Galt C street bridge traffic jam. "

OTH wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:59 PM:

" Whoa Nellie

All that money and you're worried about $10 a month to go to Stkn. LOL "

Giovanina wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:04 PM:

" In regards to Harney Lane, welcome to the Galt C Street bridge traffic jam. "

oldguy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:55 PM:

" If Gillespie is going to break ground next year and have the first phase occupied by 2010 and the the second phase by 2011 he damn well better have his tenants all lined up and money in his pocket. I suspect he is having some difficulties and is using this approval as leverage to show them he has some clout. Planning is something to talk about and the one amigo does do that, but where is walking the talk. Hands off to Johnson and Katzakian, they knew how they were going to vote and made no attempt to justify their vote. That saved ya know lots of time. "

oldguy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Ya know this is a good project. It will uh provide ya know sales tax and jobs. Ya know this project will not increase traffic uh significantly. 50 thousand trips ya know a day is not very many. Ya know that is only 2 thousand trips an hour. Ya know three hundred trips per minute is uh not going to create congestion.

We the people just bailed out Freddie Mack and Fannie Mae, AIG, and Bear Sterns to the tune of almost five hundred billion dollar. Why shouldn't the City of Lodi bail out Gillespie. "

oldguy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:37 PM:

" JF: it is not extortion it is BS "

peek wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Im concerned about the road capacity being a nightmare. The planning for the City is a joke. Did the City not learn from Wal-Marts mistake with their driveway design into the shopping center? Apparently not even though they came back and increased the left turn capacity. Case in point is the road behind Lowes. Here we go again, one lane feeding a major shopping center and future residential. Are you guys nuts? Cant you see that when the City expands further west that this will again be another choke point? Widen your streets! I have two traffic issues. Having the street connect at Melby is insane. Why the heck would you want to connect across a small subdivision road? That road should have connected to an extension of Stockton Street. Minimize the amount of signaled intersections on the main thoroughfare, Harney Lane. The second traffic issue I have it the fact that the road is one lane going around Blue Shield. That road needs to be two lanes each direction. Choke it down to one lane AFTER you pass the commercial zones. When additional high volume stores come to the area, it WILL be a traffic nightmare. "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Then again, maybe a couple of glasses of zinfandel might help me get through her rambling speeches. . .LOL "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Whoa Nellie! wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:01 PM:

" Zinfandel 12:20 PM: the only upside about your comment on Susan setting a poor example as the Principal for her school kids is that she is in a Stockton school.... rofl "

Whoa Nellie! I can appreciate your humor, but, I still feel sorry for the kids, the parents and the teachers who have to deal with her on a daily basis. Just attending CC meetings and having to listen to her gives me a splitting headache. "

Timothy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Acampo Mom, I heard that it is Costco. "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:01 PM:

" Zinfandel 12:20 PM: the only upside about your comment on Susan setting a poor example as the Principal for her school kids is that she is in a Stockton school.... rofl "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Falcon (2:15)- I agree. But try telling that to the original T&C.

If you have any money at all you are a GOB, and part of a huge conspiracy. "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Acampo Mom- I do appreciate books and good food. But as Realist pointed out it's all about money. Us college grads (b.s. business management & minor in marketing) have more money to spend. Lodi lacks college grads.

I hope a Costco does come to town. That will save me about $10 a month in gas. There is nothing at Trader Joes that I cant find elsewhere in Lodi. And, NO, I dont drink Franzia's 'Two Buck Chuck' swill.

Personally, I'd like to see the new map with estimated building sizes vs the parking lots. Code requires alot of parking. Look at Spanos' 8-Mile center, its like 50%+ parking. The numbers sound large, but to look at it on a map it might not look so bad.

I like Hitchcock, but I think she was just pandering to some citizens with her asking what tenants will be in the RR project. We all know she is smarter than that. "

dogs4you wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:24 PM:

" Stucknlodi why should the RR front the money to build an over or under pass. They have nothing to do with Reynolds Ranch and could care less if anything is build there or not. Granted an underpass would be a good idea, don`t want to wake anyone up at 3 am from a train blowing a whistle at Harney Ln. Someone is zooming someone, Gillespie told the council he made a 7 figured offer to the folks that own that historic home, but the couple asked for $300,000 to $400,000 more which the couple refuted. Thats allot of money, and someone is just plain lying. Wonder who? "

falcon wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:15 PM:

" realist, way to be positive. I am glad that there are people out there that are excited. I am excited for Lodi. That is way better than being pessimistic and resentful. We should be happy for people to make money, not resentful. "

Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:10 PM:

" There isn't really anywhere else to post this right now so I'll throw it in here.

Yesterday I had a petition signer come to my door to get signitures for the RDA. In his words my signiture would "Help get it on the ballot." He went on to say we should have had a chance to vote on it. Being somewhat informed and aware of political tricks I asked to see the measure info so I knew what exactly I was signing. The wording was "we the undersigned PROTEST the RDA." "IT be HALTED." or we demand the right to vote on it. The signiture was not to get a vote on it but to stop it.

If any of you get these policitcal scam artists at your door, sign if you agree but make sure you read what you are signing first before you agree to something that you didn't mean to. "

realist wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:10 PM:

" I don't understand. If so many people are upset with the job that the City Councilmembers are doing, how do they keep getting re-elected? We the people need to make the changes.
I for one am excited about new stores, especially in this location.
And to Acampo Mom: the majority of college graduates earn more than non-college graduates. It has nothing to do with appreciation of books or food. It ALWAYS comes back to money. "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:16 PM:

" edumacation wrote: "7)"take the risk?" IT THE BANKS MONEY!"

You forgot:

8) If the banks go under, the TAXPAYERS bail them out "

falcon wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:56 PM:

" I am sure that all of the people that will work on these projects will be thankful too. Also all of the people that will be employed by these new businesses that open up there, as well as all of the businesses where they shop will be better off. "

falcon wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:54 PM:

" edumacation, you embarrass yourself with your limited understanding that you tout to be your great experience. I would have to imagine that you are better than that. You sound very bitter and pessimistic. Thank God that there are people with vision and understanding of free markets left in this city. Good Luck to Dale and the good people that do this. Lodi will look better because of it. "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Ms. Hitchcock complained about back up of traffic on her way to work on Morada Lane. If we open Stockton St up to Micke Grove Road which in turn is going to connect to Holden in the future, she would have a faster and direct route to work to her north stockton job.
Surprising that as much as she HATES Stockton, she is willing to work there! LOL "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:38 PM:

" Now, if only they would open up Stockton Street and make it a four lane road all the way down to Micke Grove Rd., we would have another major north/south artery. "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:33 PM:

" T & C wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:26 AM:

" For once, this was a SMART decison by the City Council. "

T & C, yes, it was a smart decision by the CC. It is about time that a major commerical development be built on the eastside of town. "

Zinfandel wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:20 PM:

" patton1 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Hitchcock is entitled to her opinion but she is increaingly angry and rude. Her performance last evening demonstrates that she is burned out and should resign from the council ASAP. "

patton1, I agree with you 100%. Hitchcock's attempt to control and manipulate the discussion regarding RR was absolutely disgusting! Her complete lack of respect towards Ms. Mounce was inexcusable. There is no way she can justify her rude behavior. And this woman is a principal responsible for setting an example for our children? God help the children under her influnce!!! "

jon wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:56 AM:

" Once again, three members of the council serve their own needs and not what is best for the community of Lodi. Lodi survived and thrived through two World Wars and the Depression without Reynolds Ranch or Wal-mart. Adding more retail will not bring in more tax revenue, it will only take it away from existing local businesses. "

judy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Thank you to Hitchcock and Mounce for voting for what many Lodi citizens wanted to happen. Unfortunately, the good old boys out number them. And the good old boys, obviously, do not care about the opinions of the people they are suppose to be representing. CC - your job is to vote as your constituents would and for what is truly best for Lodi. Some of you are so into your power that you lose sight of that. You are disappointing. "

T & C wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:26 AM:

" For once, this was a SMART decison by the City Council. "

patton1 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:10 AM:

" Hitchcock is entitled to her opinion but she is increaingly angry and rude. Her performance last evening demonstrates that she is burned out and should resign from the council ASAP. "

patton1 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:04 AM:

" It is a Costco and I canty wait! "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Timothy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:20 AM:
" Acampo Mom, go look at the Costco shopping center in Stockton. That is what is going into Reynolds Ranch. Big Box stores and a lot of asphalt. "

I highly doubt it will be Costco SPECIFICALLY, the Stockton store is only 6 Miles away from the Reynolds Ranch site. But I don't doubt they'll find some big box store to go in there. I would much rather see a bunch of small retailers and specialty stores in there than a couple of big department/discount stores. Yuck. "

edumacation wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:47 AM:

" To falcon: I re-read your post and am laughing. What planet are you on? Lets take your fantasy post at 7:11 am, one step at a time. 1) "Get some investors" okay here I am! ANYONE can be an investor. 2) "procure some land" No big deal if you have an inside with the planning commission or CC. Undeveloped land is CHEAP. 3)"get the approvals". again there is not much to do, most of the forms are online, and if you "know" someone (if you get my drift,) just pick up the telephone and its a done deal. I have watched this many many times. A regular person (not an insider) could spend weeks listening to voice mail and excuses.

4) "install the infrastructure"...you for got to go to the bank and beg for a loan. LOL GOOD LUCK AFTER TODAY!

5) "endure the Litany of critics"...that why you hire a mouthpiece. Thats what they do--talk and sell and talk and connive.

6)"build the buildings" Construction companies do that with BANK LOANS.

7)"take the risk?" IT THE BANKS MONEY! "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Whoa Nellie!! You said "Many people talked about Trader Joe's in the past. Like all retailers they, or Costco, or whoever, will do serious research to make sure they can turn a profit."

I've already requested Trader Joes to consider Lodi (as well as Borders and Barnes and Noble) several times, and was told that they didn't find the demographic desirable (Not enough college graduates).

So I suppose unless you have a college degree, you can't truly appreciate a good book or good food? LOL "

patton1 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:33 AM:

" It seems to me that the vast majority of people in Lodi welcome this project. I know that many who blog here feel that in their cirles that is not the case. This was the case with the measure banning big box retailers. "

commonsense1 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:31 AM:

" JF...Since the FCB projects were approved long ago, any changes would require the approval of the Planning Commission & City Council? Seems pretty straight forward to me. By the way, I think it was Hitchcock who made that brilliant comment you were so impressed with, not Mounce. Here's another simple mind-bender for you; How can a developer tell you who the tenants will be prior to having an approved project? The need for confidentiality when negotiating with prospective tenants is very obvious. I walked away from the tv when Hitchcock asked that question. What a piece of work. "

midtowner wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:25 AM:

" wtf: I have read your posts and you continually refer to "youtube" and other internet sources in an attempt to make a point. Your credibility is serioulsy questionable, not to mention your opinions. "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Ron Paul on the Global Financial Crisis 9/18/08

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=d73KlhUq1W8 "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:03 AM:

" Another reason we have to have a re-birth of manufacturing - green technology - here in the U.S. The following article covers what has been, and is currently, going on; it also explains why we're in the current mess we are in.

Tax Code Encourages Export of American Jobs

http://hubpages.com/hub/Tax-Code-Encourages-Export-of-American-Jobs "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:34 AM:

" There are young people today - and I **mean** young - who are already getting a jump on green technology.

12 year old invents highly efficient solar cells.

http://presskit.ditd.org/2008_Davidson_Fellows_Press_Kit/2008_DF_William_Yuan.pdf

On another note, if this show airs again on PBS on NOVA, for those interested in science and history, don't miss it.

Einstein's Big Idea

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/ "

JF wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:25 AM:

" The control and direction is in the hands of the guy with the most money or the biggest bag of goodies. Screw right or wrong. Mounce said it well, "What do we do when FCB wants to change the scope of their plans". Contracts mean NOTHING to these people, they only honor them if they feel like it. "

stucknlodi wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:24 AM:

" we should just use this forum as a way to get the 3 stooges out of CC.
How much longer do we have to deal with the 3 stooges on CC? Harney Lane is going to be a traffic nightmare. When the city starts to build the underpass at the railroad and the hwy 99 interchange at harney all these cars are just going to drive thru the subdivisions on the north side. Poor planning. RR should front the money to build the interchange and underpass right now. "

JF wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:22 AM:

" A broke city, A council with his dinner pals, A developer with a project approved and in process, all the money plus a bag of promises of committed retail, but he cant tell us what stores they are yet because of "confidentiality agreements". This is pure and obvious EXTORSION! "

Timothy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Acampo Mom, go look at the Costco shopping center in Stockton. That is what is going into Reynolds Ranch. Big Box stores and a lot of asphalt. "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:08 AM:

" Don't forget that Blue Shield already occupies space on Cluff near Pine & Victor Rd. They have about 600 employees, and the plan was to add about 200 more. The threat was placed that if BS could not build a new facility they would take their offices to another town more willing to accommodate their wishes.

Hence, the CC approved the RR project.

Granted, we need to increase our sales tax revenue stream. NEW businesses are needed. Everyone of us goes to Stockton for something. Heck, I spend $3K alone a year at Costco for my family.

But, just because DG builds a center doesn't mean the retailers we want will come to Lodi. Many people talked about Trader Joe's in the past. Like all retailers they, or Costco, or whoever, will do serious research to make sure they can turn a profit.

THANK YOU to Susan & Joanne for taking a stand.

The other three CC's are out of touch with the wishes of the majority of the citizens. "

Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Ok...so the article says "750,000 square-feet of retail space". Is this going to be an outdoor shopping center, or a covered shopping center (like Sherwood and Weberstown Malls)? The outdoor shopping centers never seem to do that well, will this one be any different?

I'm curious to see what kind of retailers will end up there... "

jramagic wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:44 AM:

" A lot of new extra traffic drawn in by this huge new retail center will travel on poor, old, dangerous,still-unimproved Highway 12. Its actually eligible for status as a "Historic Landmark"... demonstrating how we lived and traveled in the 1920s. I think this new center should be DENIED until Highway 12 is thoroughly modernized to current safety standards to meet the inevitable traffic increase...instead of giving the developers another Free Pass on infrastructure...the same old story. "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:32 AM:

" Wow, falcon! So hostile! And so early in the morning. Can't see where I "told" anybody to do anything.

Gillespie's Plan "A" was shelved by Gillespie due to the housing market...or didn't you know? His Plan "B" is just as bad.

I remember all the talk about Blue Cross and the jobs it would create - to me, **that's** what got the ball rolling.

Going green protects the environment, too.

Oh, I get it, you must have a stake in this current scam.... "

edumacation wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:30 AM:

" To CC Hitchcock and Mounce: Thank you for trying to stand up against the "Good Ol Boyz". "

falcon wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:11 AM:

" wtf, that is a great idea! You will be rich! Why dont you go out, get some investors, procure some land, get the approvals, install the infrastructure, endure the litany of critics that are paraded in front of the council, build the buildings, take the risk, and feel good about what you did. Do that instead of trying to tell others (who actually have money at stake) what they should do with their land.

I see that Tesla is getting free rent for 10 years and rebates on development fees as an incentive from San Jose. That is how you attract business! "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:23 AM:

" Make Reynolds Ranch the first "all green" business park. "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:21 AM:

" My thoughts regarding Reynolds Ranch was to scrap the entire current plans. Plan "A" for houses was scrapped voluntarily because the housing market is in the crapper.

Plan "B" is just as bad because if people don't have jobs; people won't go shopping. This whole thing was originally sold because of job creation by building Blue Cross.

Why not start a "green" manufacturing base here in Lodi. That would be a first, OK, maybe a second, and give San Jose and the Silicon Valley a run for their money.

On top of this, being green, it wouldn't pollute and this **is** the wave of the future; getting in on this market now could only put Lodi ahead of the game.

Most important, it would provide middle class jobs and help to begin a rebirth of manufacturing - so sorely needed in the U.S. due to all the outsourcing. "

wtf wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:17 AM:

" From the article: "Many of the speakers at the meeting, including the mayor, asked the council to hold off on the changes until the city's General Plan update is finished next year."

This would be the wisest course of action; but the greedy b*stards who want to push this through are not only venal and short-sighted, they're provincial.

About a year or so ago, I mentioned in the blogs the Tesla car. It was in the news last night. Here are a few articles on it.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012340760

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/18/BUF312VVPP.DTL

http://www.uturnmegreen.com/2008/01/10/2008-tesla-roadster/

In the second article above, this jumped out at me: "Like Silicon Valley as a whole, the city has many jobs at the top of the economic spectrum - such as executives and engineers - and many in service industries at the bottom. But it has few manufacturing jobs or others that pay middle-class wages."

(cont.) "

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