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A Supercenter is not the lifestyle for Lodi


Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:20 AM PDT

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I've been reading all of the clippings about how Lodians want a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Lodi. I can't believe the people of Lodi are letting such a thing happen to Lodi.

You must think this is a big city. What happened to our town and people being able to talk to one another? Neighbors, we are losing that.

You know our town will not change for the better when it comes. The friendliness will just fade away little by little, as it has been doing — not looking out for our own. How many of you are real Lodians? If you are and have any input in your town, you won't let this Supercenter move in.

Sure, there will be a few extra jobs, but what happens to the jobs of the people who work in Downtown Lodi? They won't be working there anymore, let alone those who have shops there. They won't have shops, either. Look what happened at Lower Sacramento Road and Kettleman; a lot of Downtown shops went "belly up." Do you, Lodians, want this to happen again? I think not — but you know it will.

Lodians ought to wake up and smell the coffee before it burns you, because you are destroying our town by letting the Wal-Mart Supercenter move in. What is the advantage of it? You have everything you need in every store in Lodi. It is a whole lot friendlier to go into a store that caters to what you want and be satisfied then to go to a grocery store to buy a TV. Is this what you really want? I think you all want to be able to write to your friends, saying, "look at us, we have a Wal-Mart "Supercenter."

Come on, Lodians, get a life — having a Wal-Mart Supercenter is not the answer or the lifestyle for Lodi.

Ron Kelly
Lodi

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Lodian wrote on Sep 19, 2008 3:32 PM:

" MARZO2008: I'm having a hard time reading your post. Why do you think Lodi "needs" a Super Wal-Mart? "

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MARZO2008 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Lodi needs the super walmart. Lodi fits the lifestyle of walmart exactly!!!! where the town can be see shopping and buying things in one place. with todays prices we will see them once this store opens here in lodi. i have seen many people from lodi in the stockton store. so you know that they will be in once it opens. if they are worried about stockton customers coming they have there own store already. oh, a great location as well to put in the super walmart just in case i need to get one item today. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 2:08 PM:

" I think we just blew T & C outta the water. I wonder if he is still keeping score. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:27 AM:

" Yes, walking is very good exercise. And and added bonus of parking your car further out . . .less dings and scratches. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:24 AM:

" sam: Actually, I was thinking of trying it this week! Thanks :-) "

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sam wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Lodian, if you love healthy food, you do need to try the new Raley's on Morada and 99. It is so different than the one in Lodi. Their produce, health food section, organic section, etc are amazingly stocked. I love the place. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:21 AM:

" **If one can walk, parking that car farther away, the extra distance to the front door of the store can add exercise to your day. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:35 AM:

" sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:58 PM:

" Oh, I forgot. Exercise is amazing in managing the disease. Get out there and walk, or ride a bike, or just move. Trust me, it helps. "


sam: ABSOLUTELY! Walk, jog, do anything you can to MOVE! If one can walk then park that car farther away and just walk the extra distance to the front door of the store. Most of us are not overcome with too much real exercise. I know it can be exhausting to raise a family, but I've also learned that getting out for some exercise actually helps me have more energy for the day. If you're a jogger ya better watch out for that Martinez guy though! LOL! "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Observer: It is a challenge to eat healthy these days. We're all busy and there are so many "fast food" options thrown at us everywhere we go. There is so much garbage on the store shelves too. This is why I enjoy TJ's, or the like, so much. They offer a lot of healthy choices under one roof. Shopping at TJ's, or the like, just helps my family to be healthier and it makes my life a bit easier too. I wish Lodians would rally for a TJ's. Is eating healthier just not at the top of the list for a lot of people? I think there is a misconception that eating healthier food is more expensive. I have proven it to myself that this is just not the case. For example prepackaged prepared foods are NOT any cheaper, especially these days! "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Observer wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:14 PM:

" All right Lodian and Sam......just stop it! You've just listed everything I enjoy eating. I might as well go out and shoot myself. "


LOLOLOLOL!!!! "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:18 AM:

" sam: Some great posts! Very helpful lists. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Zin: People absolutely have the right to shop where they like, but a town has the right, and obligation, to manage the healthy growth of the town. And we come right back to my original thoughts about SWM. We already have a WM and the town just doesn't need to take on the headache of a much larger SWM that I consider a dumpy "non asset" to our town and a drain for services. That's my opinion, and obviously the opinion of many other Lodians. SWM just doesn't bring anything EXTRA, or positive, to add to Lodi. I sure wish the people of Lodi could vote specifically on a SWM; casting their vote for or against the new store. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:49 PM:

" Lodian, even if I didn't shop at WM or the SWM, I would still say it is a good fit for Lodi. People have the right to shop OR not shop where they choose. There are many stores in Lodi that I do not like, but, I would never say that they shouldn't be in Lodi. Other Lodi citizens obviously shop there and like those stores........which is their right. Just like it is the right of others to want to be able to shop in a SWM in their own town. I prefer to give my tax dollars to Lodi than to Stockton. But, until Lodi provides me with the stores I like, I will continue to drive to Stockton to shop at SWM, Costco and TJ's, just to name a few. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:35 PM:

" Personally, I rather eat chicken and fish, but, the rest of the family have to have "red meat" several times a week. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:26 PM:

" Hey Observer, if you have IBS it is GREAT to avoid those foods. If you do not have it... eat away. "

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Observer wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:17 PM:

" And just what was I supposed to eat at the Grape Festival? "

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Observer wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:14 PM:

" All right Lodian and Sam......just stop it! You've just listed everything I enjoy eating. I might as well go out and shoot myself. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:58 PM:

" Oh, I forgot. Exercise is amazing in managing the disease. Get out there and walk, or ride a bike, or just move. Trust me, it helps. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:53 PM:

" Good luck. I am finding out that the more research I do, the more educated I become and the more manageable the disease becomes. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:51 PM:

" Other high fat foods to watch out for:

French fries
Onion rings
Fried chicken
Corn dogs
Anything battered and deep-fried
Anything skillet-fried in fat of any kind
Shortening
Margarine
All oils, fats, spreads, etc.
Mayonnaise
Salad dressings
Tartar sauce
Cool Whip
Coconut milk
Shredded coconut
Solid chocolate (baking cocoa powder is fine)
Solid carob (carob powder is fine)
Olives
Nuts and nut butters
Croissants, pastries, biscuits, scones, and doughnuts
Pie crust
Potato chips (unless they're baked)
Corn chips and nachos (unless they're baked)
Store-bought dried bananas (they're almost always deep fried) "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:50 PM:

" Egg yolks (whites are fine, do try to buy organic)

Meat, dairy products, and egg yolks are particularly dangerous for all aspects of Irritable Bowel Syndrome. In some people their high fat content causes violent, rapid colon spasms and triggers diarrhea. Alternately, for others their heavy animal proteins, complete lack of fiber, and very low water content can lead to drastically slowed colon contractions (or one prolonged colon spasm, which is extremely painful) and severe constipation. No matter what Irritable Bowel Syndrome symptoms you're prone to, these three categories of foods pose high risks and are really best eliminated from your diet altogether. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:49 PM:

" Dairy products[1] (cheese, butter, sour cream, cream cheese, milk, cream, half-and half, ice cream, whipped cream, yogurt, frozen yogurt). Dairy is an Irritable Bowel Syndrome trigger even if you're not lactose intolerant. It's simply not just the lactose. It's also not just the high fat content of most dairy products that can cause your IBS to flare. Even skim and lactose-free dairy can trigger IBS attacks. In addition to fat and lactose, dairy contains components such as the proteins whey and casein, which can cause severe digestion problems. Though yogurt is traditionally recommended as an "easily digestible" dairy product because fermentation has reduced the lactose levels, even non-fat versions contain whey and casein, and should be avoided. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:48 PM:

" Lodian and Zin, I have found that meat is a terrible trigger for IBS. Try to avoid the following:

Red meat (ground beef, hamburgers, hot dogs, steaks, roast beef, pastrami, salami, bologna, pepperoni, corned beef, ham, bacon, sausage, pork chops, and anything else that comes from cows, pigs, sheep, goats, deer, etc. )

Poultry dark meat and skin (skinless white meat is fine, as is seafood by the way try to buy organic turkey and chicken) "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 6:20 PM:

" Lodian, sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I still want a SWM in Lodi. I also would love Costco, TJ's and a decent bookstore in Lodi. Hopefully the developer of Reynold's Ranch can get them to come to Lodi. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:56 PM:

" Zin wrote "We buy our beef from a friend who raises cows."

Ya, me too. :-)

Well there ya go! It looks like we don't need a SWM! Certainly you don't need one so it looks like we're on the same page.

Now, I wonder how that T & C shopping list is coming along. LOL! "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:37 PM:

" So Lodian, as you can see, I do take my health seriously. That is why we grow as much as we can ourselves so that we can can and freeze as much as we can. By the end of the month, I will no longer have any more room in my freezer. It will be full of every kind of vegetable soup that we have made from our own veggies. Frozen fruits and veggies. Our shelves will be full from all our canning.
It doesn't matter what store I am in, if I cannot discern where the product has come from, I do not buy it. I prefer California grown over USA grown. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:31 PM:

" Lodian, like I said, we grow most of our own fruits and veggies. Our summer is busy canning, cooking and freezing as much as we can. The only fresh produce I buy on a regular basis is bananas, oranges/lemons once we have consumed all of our own. We buy our beef from a friend who raises cows. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Zin: With your serious health issues I would have thought that you would only shop at stores like TJs, especially for fresh food items. Maybe you would if it were in Lodi. So many things are just not in our personal control. What we put in our mouths is something we get to control. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:48 PM:

" We need to be concerned about our air, water and food so if I can make the choice, wherever possible, to purchase items as healthy as I can I would be a fool not to do so. In my experience the price for healthy choices is not much different especially when you look at the long term health benefits. Don't you feel better when you eat better! Getting back to the WM topic, to bottom line it here (again), WM is not into offering all the healthy items I desire for my family and they often offer food from "China or South America". "

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zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Zin: Cooking from scratch is great! It's even better with ingredients that are organic, pesticide and hormone free. SWM does not fit the bill in that regard.

Lodian, some products organiclly grown, in my opinion are overrated. I try to stay away from products injected with hormones as much as possible. As for presticides, I try to buy only California grown or locally grown. California has the strictest laws. I come from a farming family so I know that foods grown in the USA are the safest. I do not buy any food from China or South America. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Zin: Cooking from scratch is great! It's even better with ingredients that are organic, pesticide and hormone free. SWM does not fit the bill in that regard.

So, how is that homemade ketchup? "

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zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Eating healthy is very important to me and my family. Cooking from scratch can be very expensive and that is why I appreciate the lower prices of SWM. "

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zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:41 PM:

" I would love to see Trader Joe's and Costco in Lodi as well as a SWM. I enjoy all three stores! "

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zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:39 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Zin wrote "...we are all very careful of what we eat"

That's awesome! I respect that choice very much.

A question, since we were all talking about WM/SWM foods, do you find that Wal-Mart or SWM takes care of all your needs as far as groceries are concerned? With such health issues I would imagine that you know all to well that pre packaged and prepared foods should be on the bottom of our list for oneself and the family.

Lodian, SWM meets most of my needs. We do not buy packaged or prepared foods. We have our own garden and grown as much vegetables, herbs and fruit as possible. We also can what we grow. We make our own tomato sauce, spaghetti sauce, ketchup, jam, etc. We also bake our own bread.
I will admit that I do go to Trader Joe's for certain items. But, the bulk of my shopping is done at SWM and Costco. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:04 PM:

" I need a snack. :-) "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Ketchup, once in a blue moon. "

Frequency wasn't the issue. One might have regular potato chips once in a blue moon, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still a junk food item. Wouldn't you agree? "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Zin wrote "...we are all very careful of what we eat"

That's awesome! I respect that choice very much.

A question, since we were all talking about WM/SWM foods, do you find that Wal-Mart or SWM takes care of all your needs as far as groceries are concerned? With such health issues I would imagine that you know all to well that pre packaged and prepared foods should be on the bottom of our list for oneself and the family.

I ask this question because T & C was trying to tie in his WM list of food and his IBS. It just doesn't make sense. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Zin: Like I was trying to convey to T & C... I feel the items he listed are junk food. That is not to say that a peanut butter product of another brand, or homemade, is a junk food. TJ's has some great choices! :-)

Watch out for the fat content in PB. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Ketchup, once in a blue moon. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Lodian,

Decafe . . .a couple of times a week to satisfy my need of coffee. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:32 PM:
People with IBS have to see what works best in their own diet. Some things will bother some IBS sufferers where other foods will be handled fine. It depends on the person. In regards to junk food, for the health of my whole family, I consider the items on the previous list foods to avoid in general whenever possible. "

I endured living with Ulcerative Colitis for 20+ years and learned which foods I could eat and which foods I needed to avoid. So I know very well that "junk foods" are to be avoided at all costs! And not just for my own health. My children are swimmners and my husband is a runner, so we are all very careful of what we eat. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:42 PM:

" ...
Ketchup - sugar - usually has too much
...
Coffee - caffeine - can often be a challenge for IBS sufferers
... "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Lodian, yes you are right about tuna. I do not eat tuna often, but, I stand by my statement that tuna is not junk food. Same for peanut butter. Perhaps not Jiff. But, peanut butter is a great source of protein. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:37 PM:

" I find it unusual that T & C would argue that his food list of Wal-Mart items are not junk food, especially when he suffers from IBS. It seems like he should know better. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Zin: What is undesirable about Jiffy peanut butter is that it has a lot of hydrogenated oils as well as sugar. And watch out for mercury if you eat a lot of tuna. People with IBS have to see what works best in their own diet. Some things will bother some IBS sufferers where other foods will be handled fine. It depends on the person. In regards to junk food, for the health of my whole family, I consider the items on the previous list foods to avoid in general whenever possible. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Zin, I agree peanut butter is not junk food, but Jiffy, with all its sugar is. "

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sam wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Lodian, you are so right. Diet has a lot to do with living with IBS. Sometimes that is not enough and we need surgery and drugs, but without a careful diet, nothing helps.

Eating healthy should be a priority for everyone. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:34 PM:

" I have lived with a much more serious form of IBS for 20+ years and tuna fish, peanut butter, ketchup and coffee are allowed in my strict diet! "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:32 PM:

" Lodian, Tuna fish and peanut butter are not junk food. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:20 AM:

" I consider these things on T & C's list to be junk food. As the one that does most of the shopping in our house I try to stay away from most of them as much as possible. We also deal with IBS in our family. Shopping at Trader Joe's has been a huge benefit to the health of our family. I'd also recommend Sheri's Sonshine Nutrition Center and freshedibles.org. It has not been more expensive for our family to eat healthier foods. However, you may have to drive to more than a one stop shop, like SWM. It's been well worth it for us.

T & C's list of Wal-Mart Food choices:
2 Liter Mountain Dew Price
Quaker Oats Chocolate Chip chewy bars
Red Bull Energy Drink Price
Ruffles Chips
Campbells Chunky Clam Chowder
Ritz crackers
Folgers Coffee
Star Kiss Tuna fish
Cheese Burger Hamburger Helper
Kellogs Corn Flakes
Jif Creamy Peanut Butter
Heinz Ketchup
Bush'e Original Baked Beans
Gatorade 1 gallon
Coke 12 pak Price "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:46 AM:

" T & C must be doing his shopping comparison at Wal-Mart today. I hope he is making good choices due to his IBS and all. In my experience, with IBS, ones diet is very important. Well, diet is important for everyone. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:40 AM:

" sam: I'll take both! Thanks! :-)

Trader Joe's would be especially nice, IMO. Unfortunately, the powers that be at TJ's have concluded that the Lodi area is not educated enough for them to come to our town. Go figure. Super Wal-Mart, on the other hand, can't wait to get here. Whatayagonnado? "

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falcon wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:45 PM:

" Please Ron, like the rest, please do not be so arrogant as to think that you speak for Lodi regarding Wal-Mart. Let Lodi speak for ourselves by either shopping or not shopping there. Also, dont tell me what I need or do not need. I will determine that for myself. "

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sam wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:04 PM:

" Actually Lodian, my husband just said for cancer maybe Lodi should throw in a Macy's too. "

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sam wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:03 PM:

" Lodian, we are sitting here talking about the same thing. T & C has IBS so he deserves super walmart?

Well heck, Lodian, if it works that way, you had cancer so you and deserve a Trader Joe's. .. at least a Trader Joe's. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:18 PM:

" I'm still wondering what T & C's connection is with the IBS and his desire to shop at Wal-Mart. "

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sam wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:18 PM:

" Zin, I know first hand how devastating IBS can be. I still stand by my statement that "20% of us have IBS. It is nothing new." "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:41 PM:

" sam wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:50 AM:

" T & C 20% of us have IBS. It is nothing new. "

Sam, there are many forms of IBS . . .some more serious than others. For example Ulcerative Colitis and Chron's can be life threatening diseases. So, for many IBS isn't just "nothing new" . . .it is a cronic disease that makes daily life a challenge. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:33 PM:

" sam: Good point. I think T & C is full of cr@p anyway. LOL!

Again, it just makes ya go... hmmmm. "

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sam wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Lodian, a few days ago T & C was saying walmart had the "best" produce ever.

Now he says "I cannot have hamburger helper, nor cheese, nor 100 other foods, fruits of veggies you take for granted in your diet."

If he cannot eat produce, how can his opinion that walmart has the best produce ever be valid? "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:24 AM:

" ...just makes ya go... hmmm. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:23 AM:

" T & C: I'm just curious. As a person with IBS why do you choose to purchase/eat the junk food items you listed? Obviously you can do whatever you want, but why state your IBS issues and then speak of eating healthy when you purchase junk food items... then argue that they are not junk food? IMO, this is contradictory. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:17 AM:

" T & C wrote "Lodian... "Red Bull Energy Drink, Cheese Burger Hamburger Helper... ARE NOT JUNK FOOD!"

T & C: Yes, these items are junk food.

What do you consider junk food? "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:07 AM:

" T & C: You should not assume that you know what health issues my family deals with or not. What does your IBS have to do with you wanting to have a SWM in Lodi and the product comparisons you offered? "

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sam wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:50 AM:

" T & C 20% of us have IBS. It is nothing new. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:30 AM:

" T & C, Sorry to hear that you have IBS. I had UC for many years and understand completely when you say that your diet is very strict. The majority of people who do not suffer with IBS, UC or other similar cronic illness have no idea what it is like what you go through every day. "

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mainframe wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:31 AM:

" T & C, With all of your health issues maybe you shouldn't shop at Wal-Mart for food. And you did tell us that energy drinks and hamburger helper are healthy foods. That looks like your problem. I too was wondering if those energy drinks were making you wig out or something. After reading your last post I can honestly say you are losing it dude. "

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OTH wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:58 PM:

" T and C

I read in Reader's Digest once which is a fairly reputable magazine that there is much more organic food sold than there was grown. Just something to think about. "

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OTH wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:56 PM:

" Thank you Delta penguin, my views exactly. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:15 PM:

" I think we found out what T & C's real problem is... he thinks Red Bull Energy Drink and Hamburger Helper are healthy! Yikes! No wonder he is always wound so tight. LOL"!

Lodian, I have IBS, so I cannot have energy drinks, nore a can of Coke even! I cannot have hamburger helper, nor cheese, nor 100 other foods, fruits of veggies you take for granted in your diet. My diet is very strict, if I want to stay out of the Emergency room. I am sorry I did not choose products you would approve of. Well, I am not here to please you or anyone. Here is a website to help you be better informed:
http://www.webmd.com/ibs/guide/controlling-irritable-bowel-syndrome-with-diet "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM:

" Hi Lodian: I knew you would pull that trick out of your hat to make me take the #23 or #24 RTD bus Stockton and then try to find the bus nearest to a Super Wal-Mart and then to top things off to find food products in Super Wal-Mart and Safeway but not elsewhere! How convenient you set up the rules and make them as difficult on me as you can. You are aware that I wear 2 back supports, and RTD bus seats and duration are not kind to me? I will see what I can do to make you feel my comparison was fair, but your throw the monkey wrench in by saying "that is not already offered by Food 4 less!" NO SAFEWAY is NOT the cheapest store to compare prices too, but the FACT IS... Safeway is the biggest barrier to Super Wal-Mart because they are UNION and want to continue to price gouge customers then to allow customers to compare prices, products and quality from both stores before making an INFORMED BUYING DECISION! "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:33 PM:

" T & C: If you are going to make comparison's to back up your stand on this SWM then you must compare the grocery items that you have been shouting about and that the current Wal-Mart does not offer. If the current Wal-Mart offers your favorite choices then again I say, Why do we need a SWM and all the negatives it will bring with it? These are things that the grocery store next door (ie; Food-4-Less) DO offer. So, I am thinking that you will have to compare REAL groceries...meat and produce...(not found at the current Wal-Mart)..ya know, FRESH FOOD! Or go ahead and compare your junk food list with say Target packaged/canned items. I consider Safeway NOT to be the cheapest store in town. They have great sales and the store is clean and the employees are awesome, but they are not the cheapest store for your items listed.

Try Trader Joe's. You'll live a healthier life. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:18 PM:

" Zin: The matter of needing a SWM or not is only your personal opinion. Many in Lodi do not want a SWM in Lodi. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:15 PM:

" I think we found out what T & C's real problem is... he thinks Red Bull Energy Drink and Hamburger Helper are healthy! Yikes! No wonder he is always wound so tight. LOL!

T & C: Step away from the energy drinks and relax. "

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DeltaPenguin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Mr. Kelly,
As a "real Lodian", I understand that Lodi is no longer a small town. It is a small and growing city that is seriously underfunded and strapped for cash. As much as I love a stroll downtown and love going in to the shops there, The majority do not have what I am looking for at the prices that I need for my budget.

In other towns, the stores that have gone "belly up" are those with owners who could not envelope the change and adjust to it. Wal-Mart does not kill stores that set themselves up for success.

This small city is struggling due to poor management and poor revenues (like many cities across the state). We all want that small-town appeal and environment you tout, but reality is, it has not existed here for many years.

Rather than challenging the citizens of Lodi to get a life, I challenge you to get a reality. Times are changing and it is time to catch up.

People are willing to travel out of town to get better prices. This is detrimental to the city you love so much. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Here's a News Flash TandC:

You stated I can make one trip a month to Trader Joe's and Costco in Stockton for my meats and main staples and my fruits and vegetables at Raley's or Farmers'Market!

Well, Farmers use PESTICIDES heavily on virtually EVERYTHING found in EVERY Grocery store or farmers Market! How do you think they have anything to sell that the bugs had not eaten? This includes anything not 100% Organicly grown. By the way some farmers who state they are organic, do use pesticides! Growing your own garden is best! http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/pesticide-residues.cfm "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:21 AM:

" TandC wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:16 PM:

"75% of people I talk to are happy with the Walmart we have now and don't want a large,filty dump like their smaller filthy, dump and the congestion and pollution it'll bring with it. I choose not to patronize Walmart."

TandC, I just LOVE IT when you contradict yourself, in a desperate attempt to persuade the "Intelligent" of some lost point! Case in point: YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PATRONIZE WAL-MART! YET... you seem to have these wild notions that there are no associates to help anyone, that there are spills everywhere, that their parking lots are filthy, and on and on and on!! Before you open your mouth and attempt to make us believe YOU know what you are talking about...with regards to Wal-Mart, FIRST, please shop there on a regular basis, over a period of time! Then maybe, just maybe, your comments will appear valid! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:13 AM:

" TandC wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:16 PM:

" Zinfandel, please tell us who "those many others" are that want a new Walmart? Where do you get your numbers? From what source? No one has voted on a Walmart yet, only the size of ANY big box store allowed here. 75% of people I talk to are happy with the Walmart we have now and don't want a large,filty dump like their smaller filthy, dump and the congestion and pollution it'll bring with it. And what does being a third generation Lodian have to do with anything? Are you special? I know fifth generation Lodians and they're still as uneducated and illiterate as their first generation. And you want Lodi to look like Stockton? T & C, how are you lucky enough to find the same associate for more than a month at a time? Most don't make it that long.LOL I don't begrudge anyone that shops anywhere they want. That's your choice. I choose not to patronize Walmart. I can make one trip a month to Trader Joe's and Costco in Stockton for my meats and main staples and my fruits and vegetables at Raley's or Farmers'Market. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Lodian... I had to pick name brand products I hoped BOTH stores carried, and by the way, "Red Bull Energy Drink,
Campbells Chunky Clam Chowder,
Star Kiss Tuna fish,Cheese Burger Hamburger Helper,Folgers Custom Roast,coffee,Kellogs Corn Flakes,Lipton ice tea 100 tea bags,
Jif Creamy Peanut Butter,
Heinz Ketchup, Bush's Original Baked Beans, and Gatorade" ARE NOT JUNK FOOD! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Cleanliness and service is EXACTLY why I and many many others shop at Wal-Mart! The parking lot is almost always full. Thinking like you, lol, there must be a huge percentage of customers then who hate to shop at a dirty store with no service, just because of low prices then? That you for putting a smile on my face this morning! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:49 AM:

" TandC... "I already "Volunteer" for free around town in different ways! Don't knock volunteering. This Country has pulled together in the worst of times in our HISTORY because of volunteers! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:46 AM:

" TandC wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:54 PM:

"work at Safeway, Samrt's< Raley's, etc. and make $17-$25 per hour with paid vacations, union pension plan, and healthcare?"

Here's a News Flash for you TandC: "Those $17-$25 per hour UNION wages come at the cost of everyone who is buying groceries at "INFLATED PRICES"! I have the right to shop at competitive grocers, thank you! Case in point. Wal-Mart sells Campbells Chunky Clam Chowder for $1.50 a can! Safeway sells the same can for $2.99 a can! For $15.00, I can buy (10) cans of chowder at Wal-Mart, but only (5) cans of chowder at Safeway! I am sorry, but I need VALUE for my food money, not the satisfaction of knowing I have less food because Safeway employees can life high off the hog!$15.00 may not sound like a lot, but multiply that by many grocery products in quanity, and that is SAVINGS that Wal-Mart offers me with a smile. "

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peppier2 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:20 AM:

" Ron Kelly--You make me laugh. I bet you own one of those stores downtown and feel threatened by a new Wal-Mart opening up.
Relax, we are all adults and can make our own choices where to shop. Funny, funny! "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 14, 2008 12:01 AM:

" TandC wrote "Walmart is a nono for meats and produce. Poorly kept."

I agree! "

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TandC wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:16 PM:

" Zinfandel, please tell us who "those many others" are that want a new Walmart? Where do you get your numbers? From what source? No one has voted on a Walmart yet, only the size of ANY big box store allowed here. 75% of people I talk to are happy with the Walmart we have now and don't want a large,filty dump like their smaller filthy, dump and the congestion and pollution it'll bring with it. And what does being a third generation Lodian have to do with anything? Are you special? I know fifth generation Lodians and they're still as uneducated and illiterate as their first generation. And you want Lodi to look like Stockton? T & C, how are you lucky enough to find the same associate for more than a month at a time? Most don't make it that long.LOL I don't begrudge anyone that shops anywhere they want. That's your choice. I choose not to patronize Walmart. I can make one trip a month to Trader Joe's and Costco in Stockton for my meats and main staples and my fruits and vegetables at Raley's or Farmers'Market. Walmart is a nono for meats and produce.Poorly kept. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:09 PM:

" T & C: If you do a comparison between the SWM and Food-4-Less groceries please try to buy real food and not just packaged foods (junk food). Try produce and meat products.

I'll take your word for it in whatever you find. Personally, I shop a lot at Trader Joe's. I'm after products without pesticides or hormones that are healthier for my family. I also get a lot of produce from local farms as well as my garden. Seriously, it does not cost me anymore money and this benefits the long term health of my family. That's priceless to me. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:57 PM:

" T & C wrote "I would bet any trash left in the Wal-Mart parking lots was "Planted" by other grocery chains to throw mud at Wal-Mart."

T & C: Okay, now I know you are losing it! Paranoid much? LOL!

Seriously, it's obvious that your standards are very low when it comes to where you spend your hard earned money. And it seems as though cleanliness and service is not that important to you. I expect and deserve more than what a SWM can offer, and so does every other Lodi shopper. "

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TandC wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:54 PM:

" Let's put it this way T & C: Would you rather work for Walmart at $8 an hour with a 32 hour week so you can't qualify for healthcare or pension and still be eligible for welfare, public assistance and food stamps and live at the Golden Era Hotel or work at Safeway, Samrt's< Raley's, etc. and make $17-$25 per hour with paid vacations, union pension plan, and healthcare?
I'll bet you and realty, coomon, nellie, dogs and cogito would be trampling one another for that union job.
Or maybe you'd like that easy livin, welfare given, food stamp driven, good steady 32 hour job at Walmartwith no stress and not have to worry about about naything but an illegal taking your job away for volunteering for 30 hours a week at $7 an hour? "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:47 PM:

" T & C wrote "...ALL THOSE who VOTED and APPROVED the new Super Wal-Mart..."


Super Wal-Mart was not on the ballot. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:47 PM:

" I always find an associate happy to help me, and there are no shortage of associates at Wal-Mart! Anyone who has gone to K-Mart knows most times only 1 cashier is open, and very very few associates anywhere to help you, let alone answer a product question properly. As for cleanliness, I re3cognize that any store is vulnerable to spills, or product breakage! I give Wal-Mart an A anyways, because customers I have seen notify an associate quickly and the mess is cleaned up and safety cones placed out! As far as cleanliness of the parking lots, I can only ask you to look in front of the taco bell at the sidewalk and see all the safeway carts left, which I have pushed from the Wal-Mart lots to where they can be seen. Yet safeway doesn't come and retrieve them for months! Your complaints are week Lodian and fall on deaf ears for those who know better. I would bet any trash left in the Wal-Mart parking lots was "Planted" by other grocery chains to throw mud at Wal-Mart. Just to please you tho, I will volunteer to keep the lot cleaner! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:41 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 4:02 PM:

" I have some questions. Can any of the Wal-Mart supporters/shoppers here tell me why Wal-Mart stores cannot seem to keep their stores clean and a more pleasant to shop? Also, why does Wal-Mart not either hire people that can do the job or train them better to do the job? Of course, this is my opinion (I know a lot of people that share this opinion), but it seems to me that most of the employees at Wal-Mart are no help at all. Note that I said "most" and not "all"."

Allow me to respond:

First, I have been going to the Lodi Wal-Mart for the past 5 years so I have a good opinion of both the products, associates, and cleanliness!
As to products I rate Wal-Mart with an A just as I do Price! I just bought a 1 month supply of Flaxseed oil capsules for under $5.00 there while I was price comparing. Flaxseed oil is packed with Omega 3 oils, and I was glad I bought the LAST bottle! An associate told me they carried it, which showed me "Knowledge"! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Hi dogs4you! I can't say I will do one stop shopping at Super Wal-Mart! I am happy with Food 4 less grocery prices, but if I see enough savings I will grocery shop at Super Wal-Mart. Once the Super Wal-Mart is open, there will be no mass exodous of shoppers of groceries , but people will at least go and compare! Only high priced grocery chains and their friends and relatives are afraid of Super Wal-Mart, but Hey, Competition is what America is based upon.

Shop where you wish. We the citizens of Lodi voted and approved the new Super Wal-Mart! We all have the right to choose where we grocery shop. Stopping Super Wal-Mart from coming to Lodi means the high priced grocery chains will be licking their lips for every doollar in our wallet! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:28 PM:

" You are 100% right Zinfandel! It is a choice to shop or not to shop at any given store! I don't mind others shopping at higher priced grocery stores! After all, it is their money and their spare money to throw away so others can have a union wage lifestyle! But as for me and ALL THOSE who VOTED and APPROVED the new Super Wal-Mart, we do not agree that over-charging us for the same product elsewhere is FAIR! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:25 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:01 PM:

" T & C: It looks like you are benefiting from the current Lodi Wal-Mart with the items you choose to purchase. That's great! I hope you enjoy the current Wal-Mart for as long as you like. Now we don't need a SWM.

Will you be comparison shopping between Wal-Mart and Food-4-Less as well? "


I will do that comparison tomorrow! Lodian! "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:06 PM:

" That should have read, "...cannot seem to keep their stores clean and a more pleasant place to shop" "

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voter wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:02 PM:

" T & C, a lot of those grocery items on your comparison lists are just packaged junk food--but then, maybe that's what all of you WalMart shoppers buy. Suit yourselves. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 4:02 PM:

" I have some questions. Can any of the Wal-Mart supporters/shoppers here tell me why Wal-Mart stores cannot seem to keep their stores clean and a more pleasant to shop? Also, why does Wal-Mart not either hire people that can do the job or train them better to do the job? Of course, this is my opinion (I know a lot of people that share this opinion), but it seems to me that most of the employees at Wal-Mart are no help at all. Note that I said "most" and not "all". "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Zin: I'm curious. If Lodi gets a SWM would you then not have anymore Stockton appointments? Will a SWM really change your life to that extent? The ability to shop for retail and groceries at one store will actually alter your life that much?

This would be somewhat of a different conversation if Lodi didn't already have what a SWM offers. That's just not the case. The bottom line seems to be that the supporters of a SWM want to be able to stop once to buy retail and meat/produce/groceries. Isn't that right? "

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dogs4you wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:34 PM:

" T&C you put allot of work into the difference in price, well done. I think Wally World means one stop shopping and getting a gold mine without the shaft of union super markets. The big difference is, Wally wants to sell produce. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:30 PM:

" Lodian, I perfer that Lodi grows and provdies it's citzens with all the shopping and dinning and entertainment options that Stockton offers its citizens. I would much rather spend my hard earned money in Lodi than Stockton. Then I would not only be able to save money, I would also be saving gas and time. I know many people who drive to Stockton and do their monthy shopping at Wal-Mart and then end up spending the rest of the day in Stockton having lunch and combining other appointments. All that money spent in Stockton could be spent in Lodi. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:23 PM:

" sorry, I meant to say "right" not "write". "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Lodain, I am not saying you don't have a write to voice your opinion. However, you keep on insisting that the current Wal-Mart has everything that a SWM has........not true. Otherwise I would not be driving to Stockton every month to shop at the SWM if Lodi's Wal-Mart carried everything I need. You keep on insisting whatever I cannot buy at Lodi's Wal-Mart I can buy at other stores close by. That defeats my purpose. I do not want to have to shop at several stores. I want to do all my shopping in one store and SWM affords me that convenience.
Neither you or I will decide if SWM will be built in Lodi or not. If it does, good. . .I won't have to drive to Stockton to buy groceries. If it isn't buildt in Lodi, so be it. . .I'll continue to drive to Stockton and incorporate shopping at SWM with other errands in Stockton. Like I said, shopping at SWM is a personal choice. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:01 PM:

I hope you enjoy the current Wal-Mart for as long as you like. Now we don't need a SWM.

Lodian, the matter of needing a SWM or not is only your personal opinion. T & C and many others in Lodi want a SWM in Lodi. Like I have said before, for those who do not like SWM....don't shop there. However, there are many out there that have a financial need to shop there or just appreciate their lower prices and the convenience of a SWM...and it is the choice to shop there. There are always two sides to look at everything. If you like SWM...good for you........shop there. For those of you who don't...good for you too.......just don't shop there. Just a matter of personal preference. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Zin: Your choice is already available to you in our current Wal-Mart and other nearby offerings. And you are absolutely right! Of course no one has any right to tell you where to shop. The fact is that we do have the right to have our voice heard in regards to what and how we'd like to see our city grow. That is where I am coming from on this topic. There are so many other things that Lodi could benefit from rather than a dumpy Super Wal-Mart monstrosity. You may "want" this store, but we do not "need" another Wal-Mart. IMO "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:01 PM:

" T & C: It looks like you are benefiting from the current Lodi Wal-Mart with the items you choose to purchase. That's great! I hope you enjoy the current Wal-Mart for as long as you like. Now we don't need a SWM.

Will you be comparison shopping between Wal-Mart and Food-4-Less as well? "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 1:02 PM:

" Lodisafeway, I respect your right to shop at the grocery store where you are happy, and feel you are getting a product at a price you feel you will buy it for. Everyone who is ANTI Wal-Mart, have the same respect and allow us who are NOT against Super Wal-Mart, to shop where we are happy, and feel we are getting a product at a price we feel we will buy it for. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Safeway Food Product choices and prices:
2 Liter Mountain Dew Price: $1.99
Quaker Oats Chocolate Chip chewy bars (10) Price: $2.49
4 Pak Red Bull Energy Drink Price: $5.99
Ruffles 11 oz. Chips Price: $3.79
Campbells Chunky Clam Chowder Price: $2.99
Ritz crackers 16 oz. Price: $2.29
Star Kiss 12 oz. Tuna fish Price: $3.14
Cheese Burger Hamburger Helper Price: $2.49
Folgers Custom Roast 2 lb 2 oz. coffee Price: $8.99
Kellogs Corn Flakes 18 oz. Price: $4.49
Lipton ice tea 100 tea bags Price: $5.69
Jif Creamy Peanut Butter 28 oz. Price: $4.99
Heinz 36 oz. Ketchup Price: $3.65
Bush'e Original Baked Beans 28 oz. Price: $2.79
Gatorade 1 gallon Price: $3.19 for 1/2 gallon
Coke 12 pak Price: $5.99


Now if I only bought (1) of each item my cost before taxes is :$66.00

There is a price savings of $16.00 between safeway and Wal-Mart. Obviously, if I bought 3 times as many products and added quanities of each item I would save a lot of money! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:45 PM:

" Wal-Mart Food Product choices and prices:
2 Liter Mountain Dew Price: $1.00
Quaker Oats Chocolate Chip chewy bars (10) Price: $2.42
6 Pak Red Bull Energy Drink Price: $8.00
Ruffles 11 oz. Chips Price: $3.28
Campbells Chunky Clam Chowder Price: $1.50
Ritz crackers 16 oz. Price: $2.50
Star Kiss 12 oz. Tuna fish Price: $2.24
Cheese Burger Hamburger Helper Price: $1.50
Folgers Custom Roast 2 lb 2 oz. coffee Price: $5.98
Kellogs Corn Flakes 18 oz. Price: $2.98
Lipton ice tea 100 tea bags Price: $3.12
Jif Creamy Peanut Butter 28 oz. Price: $3.62
Heinz 36 oz. Ketchup Price: $2.54
Bush'e Original Baked Beans 28 oz. Price: $1.76
Gatorade 1 gallon Price: $3.98
Coke 12 pak Price: $4.48

Now if I only bought (1) of each item my cost before taxes is :$50.90.

In my next post, I will compare those product prices to Safeway. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Being a disabled veteran lodisafeway, it is NOT whether I love Wal-Mart or Hate Safeway as it mis "Where is my food budget going to give me the best value?" So as stated earlier, I went comparison shopping between Wal-Mart and Safeway being careful to choose identical brands, sizes and writing down each price!

I will conced that no store has the lowest prices on every item, but for me, price is very important, ESPECIALLY when it is the same identical product!

Why should I just eagerly hand over my money to a UNION run Grocery store just to benefit the CREDIT LINE LIFESTYLE of UNION WORKERS?

So in my next post I will post my results. Everyone can draw their own conclusions. "

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lodisafeway wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:17 AM:

" Actually, T & C you can do whatever you want - "compare" away! I've never (ever) posted any preference for any store or market in any blog. The idea that I am somehow "anti" Wal-Mart is something others here have made up out of whole cloth. Even my comments earlier this morning belie any inference that I am in favor of keeping a new Wal-Mart out of Lodi. It's amusing how so many "opinions" are based upon nothing more than supposition - try using a few "facts" as well. That way you might arrive at an "intelligent" conclusion. "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Good Morning Cogito! Hope you and your family have gone to the Grape Festival or soon will! Those who support UNIONS will always fear COMPETITION! Scare tactics is the theme of the day for them. They wnt us to be forced to pay higher prices then if we had reasonable competition. Honestly, I "Feel sorry for folks that will do anything"...to convince consumers that it is "Better" to pay higher prices and "Get less grocery bags", then it is to make every $ count! Union lifestyle and credit card rating means absolutely nothing to me! The rest of us have the right to live within our budget and yet also have a better quality of life because "We shopped, Compared, and found the best price!" It is called "Free Enterprise"! God Bless America! "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Zinfandel wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:16 AM:


"It all boils down to a matter of choice . . .to shop at super Wal-mart or not. If you don't like super Wal-Mart, you have free will not to shop there, however, you do not have the right to decide where other people should shop!!!"

You said it all in the fewest words! Besides, if Grumpy folks shopped at Super Wal-Mart, I would see their frowns instead of seeing customers who are saving money on similar groceries found on High Priced Grocery Stores! And as for you lodisafeway... I am going to do some price compare today between what I find at Wal-Mart and your Lodisafeway and post the results for item for item same size product. I invite readers to go to Wal-Mart and "DON"T BUY A THING"! Just compare as I will do and see that the price quoted was EXACT! I will also post the savings! VALUE and FAIR competition go in hand in America, "Or am I wrong lodisafeway"? "

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T & C wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Ahhhhhhhh, so much sadness so early in the morning! Now if that Super Wal-Mart was "Instead" Another UNION PROFIT HUNGRY PRICE GOUGHING Grocery store coming to Lodi, "HECK" Lodi has room for one more grocer who likes a MONOPOLY on grocery prices! But thank goodness the Super Wal-Mart will bring "COMPETITION to options Lodi Citizens NEED to stay within our budgets and feed our families!

The bottom line is this: "If you hate anything or everything Wal-Mart stands for, please by all means DO NOT SHOP THERE! Please write, call and E-mail all your friends and relatives and ask them to shop instead at Safeway, Raleys, S-Mart, Smart and Final, Food 4 Less, because that is money well spent. Plus "you won't have to strain your back, because you will carry less bags of groceries. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:38 AM:

" OH NO! Now we find out that the evil WalMart has the power to change peoples personalities! Is there no end to their abilities to control absolutely everyone and everything? Wow, good thing we have those like Mr. Kelly to save us ignorant souls from ourselves. I still haven't heard WHAT downtown merchants will be even slightly affected by a Supercenter. That line of thinking just proves that if you say something long enough, even if it has little to zero merit, some people will believe it. "

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Zinfandel wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:16 AM:

" Ron Kelly said: How many of you are real Lodians? If you are and have any input in your town, you won't let this Supercenter move in.

Mr. Kelly I am third generation Lodian and consideration myself a "real Lodian" and I take umbrage to your comments, in fact to to your whole letter!

Concerning the super Wal-mart there are those who are going to welcome it and others, like you, who do not want it. That is called freedom of choice, if you don't like super Wal-mart, don't shop there.

The people who can AFFORD to shop downtown, the majority of which will not shop at Wal-Mart. I myself can afford to shop in downtown Lodi, but, why pay their over inflated prices?

It all boils down to a matter of choice . . .to shop at super Wal-mart or not. If you don't like super Wal-Mart, you have free will not to shop there, however, you do not have the right to decide where other people should shop!!! "

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lodisafeway wrote on Sep 13, 2008 5:49 AM:

" Wow, Ron - what a letter! Where to begin?!?

First, the idea of a Super Wal-Mart is somehow causing people to "not talk to one another?" This must be a corporation with incredible power if it is able to pull that off.

Second, I'm interested in hearing your take on just what a "real" Lodian might be? You leave your readers in the dark with this little tid-bit.

Last (for now at least), yup - you've got it!! You hit the nail right on the head! As soon as the new Super Wal-Mart opens its doors I'm going to start writing to all of my friends to let them know that I now live in a town that has its very own Super Wal-Mart. And those letters, according to you (by inference) will go a long way in destroying the small-town atmosphere that was once Lodi AND they will also reveal to the planet just how far we've sunk because I may very well decide to purchase a television at the same time I pick up a head of lettuce.

Thank you Ron Kelly for forcing our eyes open to the destruction heading our way!! "

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