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What Ramadan means in living message of Quran
Saturday, September 6, 2008 5:57 AM PDT
When Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, took the oath of office in early 2007, he borrowed Thomas Jefferson's copy of the Quran from the Library of Congress. Jefferson, a man of vision, learned from many sources. The Quran was one of them.
I would like to share, in brief, the importance of the Quran in Ramadan, the Islamic month of fasting, which began at sundown Monday.
Fasting was a gift given to all prophets and messengers to build piety and purification, and to reinvigorate the better person within us. This is a month to make an extra effort to be God-conscious, love all creation, be sincere in motives, show goodness without expectations, fulfill obligations, and to be humble with dignity, resolute in avoidance of sin, responsible for our words and deeds, moderate and demonstrate no excesses, just, lawful, most generous and charitable and to be truthful with God, oneself and others.
The Quran was first revealed in the month of Ramadan. God guides Muslims in the Quran to recite it frequently. In addition to individual recitations, during Ramadan, the Quran is recited in congregation in all mosques in nightly prayers. Thus, the entire Quran is recited and completed by the last week of Ramadan.
The themes of the Quran cover topics providing guidance and lessons for life here in this world and the world after we die.
The subjects of the Quran include, but are not limited to, the religious doctrine, the unity of God, how to live according to his will, and creation, including the environment, criminal and civil law, laws of inheritance and marriage, human interrelationship and responsibilities, Judaism, Christianity, polytheism, social values, morality, science, history, stories and lessons from past prophets.
The stories in the Quran are there to teach us life lessons.
The Quran provides examples of prophets such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob and his sons, including Joseph, David, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus and many others.
The Quran, in stories of the prophets, elaborates their sacrifices in spreading the message of God. It gives examples of and reveals the fate of nations that rejected their prophets, and examples of those who lived a life pleasing to God Almighty.
There is one common message of worship of one true God, the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all the prophets and messengers. Obedience to God and his prophets, Muhammad being one of them, is a must. The Quran uses events from both past and present to illustrate its central message — unity of God and of the prophetic message.
I hope that the sharing of the above description will help in understanding your neighbors. Remaining strangers creates misunderstandings.
Riaz Hasan is a former director of outreach for the Tracy Islamic Center. He is now active in Islamic outreach in San Joaquin County and the greater Bay Area. For more information, send an e-mail to Islam.Outreach@yahoo.com.
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real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 11:12 PM:
if anything, God expects us to be IMperfect, and totally allows us to be, and accepts us because we are.
you tell them that they are GOING to sin, and sometimes on purpose. NO ONE is perfect post Christ. you tell them we ALL struggle with sin, and THAT is the exact reason we come to God in the FIRST place......because OF his love/acceptance.
the idea that no one sins, especially when you are following Christ, that is arguably one of the most crippling lies of all......the lie that "someday, i will get it all together".
come as you are, but come RIGHT NOW "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 11:03 PM:
your brother needs to know that God loves him, and he needs to feel that HIMSELF.
tell him to forget about the homosexuality issue, as what is more important is your brothers heart and soul.
God is not against him, HE is against sin. i don't care who you are or what you have done in life, NO ONE can "clean up" good enough to come to God on your own. it's not possible. repentance of any sin comes later, after God shows you he loves you, and will give you the strength to do so.
i have said it before a hundred times, and billy has lied about as much.....that i DON'T hate gays, because they are people. what i hate is sin, and people that "think" they are going to lie about God.
no matter who you are, or what you have done, God WILL accept you......right where you are....PERIOD
now, if a person is adamant about living outside of Gods standards no matter what, and doesn't come to him because OF that mindset.....that person CANNOT experience God. "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:52 PM:
EVERYONE is capable of change (i don't care who you are, or what you have done), because God can give people the strength to change they don't possess on thier own.
in fact, God specializes in the people that don't think they can, so that when he does it, God is the one the gets the glory.
there are ALOT of scenarios in life, where SELF change is impossible. but for a person to make the statement they cannot change, that is not true.
acceptance can mean two different things.
(1) acceptance because you struggle with things, your different than others, acceptance because of rejection of others for various reasons - God majors in acceptance, and a real Christian will go out of their comfort zone to do the same.
(2)acceptance, the kind where you want people to accept sin because you don't want to put in the effort it takes to adjust to Gods standards, and watch how God blesses you for it, then you try and justify it? no, that's an "acceptance" that God himself doesn't accept.
God majors in acceptance, but rejects unrepentant sin "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:38 PM:
if billy would quit his lying garbage, and act like a real man and engage in debate instead of his lying about people, we could get somewhere in here.
truth is, that won't happen. in fact, because i am so good at telling the truth about people.....it won't happen, because of billy's "committment" to acting out all things heinous. he has made a career out of it now.
know how i know billy's future? even with rhodie being patient and respectful, billy's perversion drives him to be a committed jerk to even rhodie.
someone reigns that guy in, there is a chance of peace in the LNS blogs. if nobody does, then i have to swat that evil all over this board.....and i will. "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:30 PM:
It's hard to bring along a non believer, as they want exceptence but know they won't get it and they can't change").
one wouldn't think so, because i have to deal with people lying in here like they don't possess a conscience, but acceptance IS my game. if you knew what i did for a living, and the acceptance/respect i give out to people that are completely the polar opposite of my beliefs, you would be stunned.
you guys only see glimpses of who i am, because of these integrity ain'ts who think they are going to play games and lie about Christ, or anybody that accuretly relicates history. i won't allow them their "door mat" treatment of Christ/Christians they were formally used to, and i will "flyswat" them when they try it.
a Christian that takes no garbage off of anyone.....it's not a new concept.
my life isn't heralded by the circus in here. although i won't allow anybody to run roughshod over Christ/Christianity, my life is known FOR my love/acceptance/compassion for the seeking/hurting.
as God is my absolute witness "
WY wrote on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 PM:
And yes, it was personal to me. It's hard to bring along a non believer, as they want exceptence but know they won't get it and they can't change. It pains my heart to truely know this about someone I love so deeply. "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 8:07 PM:
this historical FACT comes to mind.....that perversion has never been acceptable in the entirety of the human race, and it never will be.
while we are at it, let's see you explain to the reading audience how a person "isn't" a "victim" if they aquire aids thru risk sex...
maybe you can provide first hand experience, or are you too "busy" between sets at the noodle?
either way, your no "victim" "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 8:01 PM:
I think there is a great difference between something that happens out of coincidence and an event that is shaped by divine will. ").
robb should read my journals and say "there is no proof of God answering prayers". never mind, he would only lie about it that it "never happened".
you want a true statement? you cannot prove God to an integrity ain't bent on lying about factual occurances or statements.
my life has been filled with God doing things completely out of my control, where i could not manipulate the circumstances to make it happen.
answered prayers can be attributed to making certain aspects of it happpening YOURSELF. however, there are certain times where it is obvious that only God could create a particular circumstance.
those times are indefenseable by the likes of billy/robb. "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 7:51 PM:
" This is the argument that has begun more wars than any other, I cannot completely prove my point, and neither can you..
I suppose we are at a stalemate here?").
i proved mine, so where is YOURS ???
so far, you have never ONCE refuted the history i did give, so your lying when you say "neither can you".
until you/billy prove the history i gave was never written, your lying about it, and my supposed "inability" to provide it.
seem's tedious to take these integrity ain't's to the cleaners, but it is worth it because it demonstrates they ARE lying.
a person in a position wouldn't lie about their opponent, and in FACT would go to the lengths necessary to provide counter intelligence to PROVE thier position. you two NEVER do
lying and excuses ISN'T a defense, but it IS the indicator they don't know squat.
robb said -----> "i-demand-respect".
you will get my respect, when you earn it, when you act like a man a quit lying about what i HAVE done, and you finish what you start by debating it.
until-then,...you-inherit-my-"flyswatting" "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 7:39 PM:
" RF, I have never called you ANY names, as others here have, I demand to be treated with respect, regardless of whether we agree or not.. ").
that's lie #7.
you have said underhanded condescending garbage about me a several times in different blogs, in between your faux "peaceful" parade, so don't pretend you haven't.
you "demand" to be treated with "respect", when all you are is a person that plays games and lies about me just because you don't like me? are you joking?
you deserve everything i have said about you, because it's the truth. calling you names would have entailed me lying about who you are. i didn't. i told the truth about you.
a person deserves respect when they give it themselves. so far you start stuff in here, and REFUSE to address it or debate it, and you want respect?
so far you have lied multiple times, and refused to handle YOUR responsibility. you don't deserve respect......you deserve what i am going to give EVERY person that tries to chump me.
your "nice guy" gig is up "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 26, 2008 4:33 PM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 4:25 PM:
My husband's grandfather was a gunner during WWII. He was not raised to be a religious man. He told us similar stories...he should have been killed many times over but managed to escape death each and every time, despite being an obvious target. As a result of the things he saw, he came to believe in God and divine intervention. I think there is a great difference between something that happens out of coincidence and an event that is shaped by divine will. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 26, 2008 3:50 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 26, 2008 3:48 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 26, 2008 3:45 PM:
It was something my father in-law mentioned to me. An account of the destroyers role in D-day is at http://216.230.103.132/navalhistory/articles04/NHAllenJun-2.htm
While they were suppose to provide artilary support, after an initial destoryer saw the trouble the landing crafts were having and moved in farther to provide better cover, more moved in. Many on the land stated that if the destoryers had not moved in as close as they had, with no cover of their own, then the landing troops would have been overwhelmed. "
Robb wrote on Sep 26, 2008 3:32 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:51 PM:
as much garbage as you started, i will make sure you finish it. if you think you are going to skate away without answering the questions of debate that YOU posed, your in la la land.
but that's all you people have. lying, then hitting and running, and NEVER debating the issues.
you lied exactly like billy when you said "nothing was provided".
you people are bottom feeders. having to lie without conscience ISN'T a defense.
i will come back in here tonight to take out more of your trash, because obviously your not man enough to provide anything else. instead, your hoping to slither away.
not on YOUR life
love, real facts "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:44 PM:
" Choke on WHAT historical fact, Reverend Fruitcake? ").
all the ones that i "gave you" over the last two years, that you lied i "didn't".
you choked on your own hysterical "fact" when you said that Jesus Christ never even existed.
when you said that, it highlighted what a pereversion driven moron you are.
anybody that lies about HISTORY, isn't a "victim".
your game was over a long time ago.
i just use you as an example of why homosexuality IS a perversion.
thanks for all your help "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:40 PM:
i hate sin, which means i hate homosexuality. so that's another one of your lies, because you know i have befriended gay people. your sick.
you lied about what i said about aids (again). i NEVER said God sent aids. i said he "could" have allowed it as retribution against his moral code. i don't know if HE allowed it, but i know this, if YOU have aids, you EARNED it because OF your perversion. you have NO ONE to blame but yourself for passing yourself around like a piece of meat.
aids isn't the only "stop sign" in life billy. if you roll past the stop sign in life (or in your case "speed" past), your going to get a "ticket".
wishing there wasn't a "traffic cop" won't make the "ticket" go away when you stand before the "judge".
that day can't come soon enough for your lying perversion. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:33 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:32 PM:
i did. now debate it. oh yeah, you can't. all you can do is lie that i "never did".
providing proof, it's what i do.
providing proof that your a liar driven by a desire to legitimize your perversion, by watching as you flush any semblance of integrity all over the board.
what, are you hoping that others in here are as moronic as you, and they will accept lying as part of "doing business"? well your in luck, because you have company. actually, your in the majority, because MOST of the people in here will lie about the facts, in order to play their agenda card.
what a loser. instead of debating info, you lie and say "there isn't any".
who can feel sorry for a person that lies to this level? not me. in fact, you are right where you should be, because you are no "victim". "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:24 PM:
that's EXACTLY what i said, and then when your lying perversion went to work and twisted it into the hateful/evil/perverted world you thrive upon, I explained exactly what i meant.
i explained it, and you remember, but continue to lie about it BECAUSE of your evil perverted heart, that i meant the character assasination of gays, and not violence. i went on further to note i have used that word "assasination" over and over to describe how the phony Christians in here "assasinate" Gods word and authority.
you know exactly what i meant, and your lying perverted heart demands you keep lying about it.
you are one sick human being, that you would resort to this garbage to "defend" homosexuality.
by all means moron, keep posting your trash. your willingness to lie HIGHLIGHTS the fact that i am right, that it's a perversion. it's the logical conclusion of perversion, that a person would have to lie about it.
your sick "
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:23 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:15 PM:
say what a person will about their religious convictions, despite billy lying about it, those words are HISTORY. someone wrote those words in approx 90a.d. that's a fact not even billy can lie about.
shoot, billy's such a liar, even if those words were written a HUNDRED years ago, it STILL would have made it God, because a hundred years ago, it was IMPOSSIBLE then. billy, lies about history, and wishes it didn't exist. the fact IS, is that someone wrote those words THEN, and it is happening TODAY.
choke on that historical fact billy. choke on the historical fact based on YOUR history in here, that you aren't an advocate for gay rights, and you are no "victim".
your a pervert that lies to protract his perversion. that's ALL you are "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:13 PM:
I urged you to retract that hateful post and you laughed at me. I asked again for you to retract it and you said you meant what you wrote.
Rhodie even said you were too harsh.
At that time you tried to hide your intent by inventing the story of being "kidding" or some other excuse.
Your meaning was always clear, Reverend Fruitcake. You've always hated gays, saying they deserved to die of AIDS, that God sent AIDS to kill them, then you said you wanted to spend your time with daily assasinations.
Your quotes.
Now, back to your claims, where is that proof you promised? "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:11 PM:
" RF: are you referring to the witnesses described in Revelation 11:3? ")>
sorry, i was busy taking out billy's lying daily trash.
but yes, it is revelation chapter 11.
i think in verse 9 it talks about how "every nation, people and tribe" will see the two witnesses. that was IMPOSSIBLE short of satellite TV.
notice how the two integrity ain'ts (billy and robb) couldn't debate that fact? "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:01 PM:
lying pervert.
i NEVER said i wanted to kill gays or harm them. i have for tow years consistently condemned anything having to do with violence against gays. you lied and twisted my words into something evil, because you ARE evil
your a sick human being that you continue to lie about your garbage.
and you want to argue gay rights?
your the poster child for why homosexuality IS perversion, lying about sick garbage as if it's nothing to you.
your the EXACT example of why homosexuality is a perversion, because you can't even control your heinous.
everything you are.....YOU EARNED IT
gay rights. puke. all you do is make the case AGAINST homosexuality, and confirm that it IS a perversion.
good job moron "
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:00 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:53 PM:
billy's "defense" is to lie about not providing proof, and then not debating anything i did provide.
despite my harsh language toward billy, it was/is the truth. the guy is a moron.
what moron lies that his opponent "didn't provide any", and what moron doesn't EVER debate the information presented? one that's perversion agenda driven.
for two straight years this guy has done the same thing - twisted peoples words and straight up lied, WITHOUT ever debating the information like a man.
perversion defense ALWAYS includes the same methodology....."pretend" it's not there, and that it will go away.
what cracks me up, is billy thinking he is the "face" of gay rights, and that his posture in here is to legitimize homosexuality by defending it.
all the guy is doing is solidifying that it IS perversion, everytime he lies, and REFUSES to debate stuff HE starts. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:53 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:51 PM:
Let's debate.
You say you have proof that Jesus Christ is God incarnate.
I say you don't have proof.
It's now up to you to provide said proof.
Please do so at your first opportunity. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:49 PM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:48 PM:
Rhodie: you referred to the insticts of men during WWII in one of your previous posts. Could you elaborate? I'm interested in hearing the "rest of the story".
Thanks! "
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:48 PM:
billy's "defense" is to lie about not providing proof, and then not debating anything i did provide.
despite my harsh language toward billy, it was/is the truth. the guy is a moron.
what moron lies that his opponent "didn't provide any", and what moron doesn't EVER debate the information presented? one that's perversion agenda driven.
for two straight years this guy has done the same thing - twisted peoples words and straight up lied, WITHOUT ever debating the information like a man.
perversion defense ALWAYS includes the same methodology....."pretend" it's not there, and that it will go away.
what cracks me up, is billy thinking he is the "face" of gay rights, and that his posture in here is to legitimize homosexuality by defending it.
all the guy is doing is solidifying that it IS perversion, everytime he lies, and REFUSES to debate stuff HE starts.
you-have-"rights"-all-right-billy. you-can-be-a-perverted-moron-all-you-want "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:47 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:43 PM:
Maybe the ones who will come back to life after three days are the gay ones Reverend Fruitcake said he wants to kill every day! Cool! "
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:43 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:35 PM:
that technology is here, via scanners, much like the barcode system. add that to the fact that the world is "hungering" for someone that has all the answers, it creates a scenario for the anti-christ more than any other time in history.
the anti-christ will be able to sell himself as a man of "peace", and will appear as if he has the answers, thus fulfilling what the bible PREDICTS about him, "that ALL the world will wander after him". the world is ripe for that to happen on every level - economically, militarily, spiritually, etc.
like i said, what tripped me out the most, and highlighted that it IS Gods word, are those scriptures that talk about the two witnesses of God, who will be murdered by the billy's/robb's of the world, they will lie in the street for 3 days and God will raise them from the dead.....and the WHOLE WORLD will see it. the whole world thru satellite.
Gods-word-is-true........obviously "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 11:58 AM:
And Aimee, poor dear. She's rocking in her seat mumbling scriptural passages in a vain attempt to bring herself comfort in these End Times.
And Rhodie. Rhodie, you do understand that insisting your claims are true does not actually create that reality, don't you? I appreciate the effort of your post, but the approach doesn't work for Reverend Fruitcake and it won't work for you. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:53 AM:
Oh goodie a metaphor. Sure a skeptic might ask for you to do it again, because in our understanding the science makes it impossible. There is one word in your metaphor that weakens it's effect though. You only "claim" to have done it.
Lots of people claimed to be the Messiah back in the day. A lot even had followings (there's even a man in So. America claiming he's Jesus now and he's getting a following) but none of them produced the evidence through works that Jesus (the original) did. If he hadn't produced the works then the powers that be at the time would have ignored him knowing he was no threat. "
mike wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM:
and I challenge anyone reading through the following blogs to disprove my conjecture that Dan(aka billi) and his lack of religion has caused his insanity.
and no Dan we all know what you do and only the most simple accept it! "
Aimee wrote on Sep 26, 2008 9:56 AM:
Revelation 13: 16-18
There is no doubt that with today's technology, this could become a reality. What I think is interesting, however, is that the number "666" has become synonymous with the concept of pure evil-people today hear this number and think of evil. Thus, for people to accept the mark of the Beast (666) they do so with the full understanding that it is associated with ultimate evil. Thus, to accept the mark is to knowingly accept damnation and a rejection of the gift of salvation. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 26, 2008 6:00 AM:
Here's a metaphor (Rhodie will even like this because of the metaphor part): If I were to claim to have flown to the moon and back by flapping my arms, a skeptic would be right in asking for proof. "Oh, yeah?" he might say [skeptically], "Prove it - let's see you flap your arms and fly to the corner and back."
I could NOT, as is your habit, prove my claim by yelling and spitting in the skeptics face, screaming that he's evil and a moron and he must, instead, prove that I didn't flap my arms and fly to the moon and back. Abusing, then, his lack of "proof" that my claim is imaginary, strut around with my puny chest out, telling the world "that's what I do."
We all know what you do and only the most simple accept it. "
Robb wrote on Sep 26, 2008 5:48 AM:
I suppose we are at a stalemate here? "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:06 PM:
man up, or you can continue to prove what lying trolls you both are.
real men of integrity finish what they start. "they" don't have to lie, or run and hide. you two are the kings of it in here. well, one of you is the "victim"
DO IT "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:01 PM:
The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God").
now that your the current record holder in here on "hits and runs", let's see you man up on this one.
prove it's "incorrect".
but FIRST prove your lie about "no one saw Jesus after the resurrection".
highlighting people lying about God. it's what i do "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:58 PM:
Insisting that everyone believe you isn't proof").
EXACTLY.
so let's see you debate what OTHERS have said on the subject.
all i did was replicate the claims of others. for example the EYEWITNESSES of the foxes book of martyrs who were OPPOSED to Christ.
i didn't say it......THEY DID.
what? are you going to lie about that too, and say it didn't happen/exist?
your a joke..
you don't debate the information. you lie about it and run away like the heinous majorus you are.
even i cannot image how high maintanence you are, as far as the "effort" it takes for you to be a lying drivel. daily lying about your life, while "thinking" you are justifying it. man, that's as ugly as life can get.
your not a "victim" billy. you earned everything your not "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:50 PM:
your whole existence is a lie, so that answer would be no.
all i do is laugh at you, when you claim "i never did", because then it becomes more apparent everytime you post what a loser you intend to be.
a lifelong goal of being a lying loser....like that's some goal to attain. congradulations
your such a pathetic excuse for a human being, that you would lie and blame me because you cannot debate truth.
your a joke, and your not a "victim". everything you AREN'T......you earned.
day in and day out, all you can do now is lie about yourself, others, and your "future".
you are a case study in the most futile aspect of all of life.
what a waste of a human being "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:43 PM:
The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone").
that's a straight up lie.
over 500 people witnessed him AFTER his resurrection, and how about this for bonus points you cannot refute.....scholars who were OPPOSED to Christ/Christianty wrote about Christ POST resurrection.
like i wrote about the book "foxes book of martyrs" ....that details the torture/murder of Christians. some of those "details" were written by men OPPOSED to Christ.
your a liar, or i am a liar.
no let's see you prove what really happened.
i bet you chicken out of that one too, and lie and blaim me.
i am so sick and tired of these morons lying and NOT being willing to back up thier garbage.
what a great place to be at in life where you HAVE to lie about your position. puke.
and NO i don't apologize for saying the truth about these people. you come here making claims with respect, and you handle your business, i am cool with you. you lie and play your hit and run trash, i will make sure you get your "due" "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:41 PM:
But, where is your proof? You STILL have offered none.
Remember, raving isn't proof. Name-calling isn't proof. Insisting that everyone believe you isn't proof.
And, by the bye, for someone who once had a near-stroke when I [correctly] called him an "End-Times" christian wacko, you sure seem to have flip-flopped into that category nicely. LOL.
Thanks for once again displaying your insanity so vibrantly. "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:31 PM:
" * God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth").
you sure about that?
how about i challenge you on that one, after you explain what you mean by "physical existence".
think you can handle your business as a man for once after making statements? or are you going to run and hide after i challenge you on it?
(i think i know the outcome already) "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:26 PM:
" I have No preconceived notion on the afterlife, I have No idea whether there is or not, either way, it does not matter, my work is here and now. ").
that's where you have been lied TO...
rediculous if there is a God, that "only this life matters", seeing how God lives in eternity past and future.
even apart from Christianity type beliefs, ANY notion of any God one MUST consider eternity to be far more important than this life, especially given the FACT that people die young.
just on a common sense basis, if there is a God, and this life was the one that mattered over "eternity", God would have placed more emphasis on the length/quality of THIS life. it is so obvious that God places more emphasis on eternity, than here, because he allows things we call "inequitable" to happen.
same with Jesus Christ. the emphasis was this life was transitory, the next being our "goal".
anybody that says this life is what's important, is a fool, and only says so for self seeking immediate pleasure purposes "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:16 PM:
" too little, too late, many others read into your bible differently than you, who is right? ").
read it for yourself, and tell me it doesn't say PLAINLY about the two witnesses lying in the street, and a one world govt/currency exchange. there are no "interpretive" issues.
face it. your an integrity midget that you can't even answer the charge to debate the information. all you can do is pull billyitis and lie that "it didn't happen".
all you can still offer is your weak "too little, too late".
what moron answers a debate about history with that response?
read what i said the bible says about what will happen in revelation, and THEN tell me it doesn't. then let's watch you lie about it. your "integrity" won't allow you to get that far. "it" will lie to you and excuse it away. some truth seeker you are.
remember robb, there is one FACT you cannot lie about.....it was written in 90 a.d. "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:08 PM:
it's the heinous majorus that beckons billy, and "steers" him mercilessly into the lying and damage of true life.
hey billy, what about history? are you going to lie "it didn't happen" again?
billy knows he lies, and could CARE LESS. damage. that's billy's game - damage. damage anything opposed to his justification majorus, even if he has to hit and run and lie about it.
if the guy ever debated history, i would drop dead.
is that an incentive billy?
if you have to lie, YOU DON'T HAVE A POSITION IN LIFE "
Robb wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:05 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:02 PM:
" And I am less abusive than you... ").
you sure have a twisted way of adding up what's what in life.
what your saying is that you consistently lying about yourself and history is "better" than me being straight up and calling you what you are, just because i am a Christian?
for far too long robb, you lulled yourself to a bogus "victory" thinking you could silence Christians, and Christians were supposed to be doormats who couldn't tell the harsh truths about peoples intentions such as yours.
that was, until you met me.
i tell the truth, then you lie about it.
there is nothing more "abusive" than lying about historical facts about God.
congradulations.....winner winner chicken dinner.
speaking of chicken, you never ONCE addressed my claims about history, opting instead to run away from THEM, and created your own deflection "list".
"less abusive". who are you kidding robb? you create scenarios you can't handle, then you spill your superlatives onto me, as to why you didn't.
straight up......ad "chicken" to "pinnochio" on your true resume.
the-truths-of-life-belong-to-those-that-love-it, not-to-those-who-lie-about-it "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:48 PM:
ONLY God can accuretely predict the future everytime.
in the end time scenario, the bible predicted a one world government, and only one "currency" to buy and sell goods. BOTH those scenarios are NOW possible, and have been discussed/considered. the one financial ability to buy and sell was already spelled out around 90 a.d by the written word of the apostle john, where he wrote that the only means a person could buy/sell during those times, was by a "mark" on the right hand or forehead. that technology is here NOW via scanners/implants.
even more impressive are the two witnesses who "the whole world is watching", being murdered and after lying in the street for 3 days, God raises them back to life. that technology is here because of satellite television. an impossibility a few years ago.
the bible IS of God, because only God foresee's the future.
no facts? the bible is so full of factual proof about God, only a fool says there is none "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 PM:
surely the financial collapse alone demonstrated "who" is really in control "
Robb wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:48 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:46 PM:
" Last I saw the final evidence could niether confirm or deny it's origin due to the fires from it's past and bacteria present that distort the carbon dating."
Just a bit of extra work for anyone who wants to read up on it.
http://www.shroudstory.com/ "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:43 PM:
When you called yourself an "Ordained minister" I had incorrectly assumed (and we all know what that makes me) it was through a Christian denomination, even loosely.
So, since you are an ordained minister, Robb. What is your belief about the afterlife? Is there one or is this it? Is there a good place to go and a bad place? Are there any consequences to our actions here? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:30 PM:
Now, Robb, I'm a little confused. Didn't you claim on a post that you were ordained a minister? That was you right? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:25 PM:
As for AIDS, what is it you want? To wake up in the morning and see it is all gone? That magically, overnight ALL diseases have vanished from the world? What makes AIDS more important to you that it be stopped than TB? Cholera? Influenza? Heart disease? Obesity?
Maybe AIDS is doing just what it is suppose to be doing for the human race. Motivating all of us as a collective planet to work together for a cure. Could it be that what we learn now by working together and eventually, finally beating this disease creates a planetary feeling of "we did something good together, we wonder what else we could do?"
Don't be so singularly minded as to think that what we want is what is best for us. We all, except for a few fanatics, want AIDS gone. But it could be the fight to end it that we need. "
Robb wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:24 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 25, 2008 3:16 PM:
" * God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.
* None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either."
The shroud of Torin?
"When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers."
In that case our federal government doesn't exist either (just keeping it light here.) "Statistics" are only as accurate as the people interpriting them. You say they show God doesn't answer prayers, other would claim they show he does. PLUS, God is not a "yes" man, out there to do our bidding whenever we ask, but only when it falls into His will, which I grant you is beyond our understanding and can leave us confused.
* Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God."
Are you sure about that? Do you realize, historically, how simple it would have been for us to lose WWII? the "instinct" of a a few men saved the war for us on D-Day while "Confusion" led to troops being in the wrong places for "them". "
Robb wrote on Sep 25, 2008 2:56 PM:
* None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either.
* God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.
* The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone.
* The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God.
* When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers."
* Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.
* And so on "
Robb wrote on Sep 25, 2008 2:51 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:55 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:53 PM:
it WAS easy.
not if he didn't exist, or it didn't happen, it should be easily provable, so do it......thru factual history.
lying about something isn't a conclusion OR a position....it's an excuse to be a moron.
shoot, if being a moron is your lifelong goal, who am i to detour you?
well billy, tell us your lies again, and fall all over yourself claiming your a "victim" "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:49 PM:
let's see you debate it, instead of your usual moronic lying about it and pretending it didn't happen.
you can't lie about something, and call that a defense. well you can, because that's all you do.
you have to actually debunk it FACTUALLY/HISTORICALLY, which you have never done in two years.
for the record, billy said over and over that Jesus Christ never existed in the first place, that HE is only a "MYTH". but, he never ONCE backed up that claim HISTORICALLY.
anybody that has to lie, is a moron.
here goes billy in his lying pretend it didn't happen heinous justification world. drum roll please..... "
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:44 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 25, 2008 1:14 PM:
" Lie # 6.. you have given NO facts.. ").
your right, that IS your 6th lie. (lol)
anytime you want to debunk what i have given as not being historical fact, swing away robb.
right now you have reduced yourself to nothing more than a liar of reality AND the facts. now, you have firmly placed yourself in billy/lodian land, where you can't defend your position, so you lie about mine. all you do now is make false statements you cannot qualify.
let's see you debate my claims, instead of wussing out.
Jesus Christ riding into jerusalem on a donkey pronouncing himself to be the messiah happened 483 years TO THE DAY it was predicted it would. on the EXACT DAY the bible said the messiah would.
prove that's not a historical fact robb, because anybody that makes the statements you make is a moron if he doesn't. in fact, your nwo a card carrying member of the moron club in here, because now your not the only one that lies and says history isn't "factual".
congradulations......(your-not-"peaceful"-like-you-claim) "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 25, 2008 8:51 AM:
If it is so easily proven, why not conclude your rant by doing so? Amaze us. Bring us to our knees. Leave us agog with your proof.
Raving that it is true, or raving that you have already "proven" it is only raving and nothing more. Raving is not proof.
If it is easily provable, you should find it easy to do, right? Please do so. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 25, 2008 8:49 AM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 25, 2008 8:48 AM:
Sort of a thread derailment here and off-topic....
I'm interested in hearing your opinion regarding the current political, religious, and economic crises and if you believe they have a part to play in biblical prophecy, if you're would like to share your thoughts.
Thanks. "
Robb wrote on Sep 25, 2008 7:24 AM:
real facts wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:55 PM:
UNarmed people, are people who take swipes at other people on blogs, and then run away when they are challenged to debate (that would be you). "unarmed people" aren't able to replicate historical facts robb (that would be me).
for the record, EVERYTIME i threw out historical fact, you squeeled and ran, blaiming me for doing so. a real man with "peaceful" intent wouldn't have squeeled and ran.....he would have stood his ground and debated the issue. not you though. what's TRUTH significant, is you can't finish what YOU start....now that's being "unarmed"
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a little "reminder" of my "un-armedness".......
robb wrote -----> "bible crap".
my response ----> good career choice robb, considering that the bible is easily provable as being from God.
throw in a little science, mathematics, archaeology (ask billy), eyewitness accounts from people OPPOSED to Jesus Christ, and eyewitness accounts of over 500 people witnessing Christ POST resurrection.....and there is more than enough PROOF to make anyone gag that calls it "crap".
you suffer from a condition known as allwindandnosailitis "
real facts wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:44 PM:
you have witnessed me spotlight peoples integrity spillage before, so for you to think you could have slid yourself past me, is a tribute to your futile thinking.
anybody that rejects Christ after he raises HIMSELF from the dead, and fulfills over 300 prophecies (which is nearly incalcuable), isn't playing the integrity game to begin with. being straight up, given those historical FACTS, you would have to lie to yourself and others that Christ isn't God
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robb wrote; "do battle with an unarmed person".
lie #5. do you even proof read before you post?
there isn't too many people in this world that i can't hold my own against on ANY subject matter, so even apart from Christianity, your statement about me is a self admission that you don't have the goods to counter what i expound on in here.
you can lie to yourself all you want, but the facts remain, you lied about who you are, and now your blaiming me.
anytime you want to match intellect for purposes that REALLY matter in life, you know where to find me "
Robb wrote on Sep 24, 2008 5:04 PM:
i will no longer do battle with an unarmed person, I pity you, I feel sorry for you. "
real facts wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:57 PM:
" I noticed that you responded several times, however, your ramblings make no sense...").
"make no sense".
that's your 4th lie.
i thought you said you never lied, or didn't lie?
now because you are all wound up over me, your unraveling faster than a billy protoge on meth.
hopefully you learned your lesson----> the one where you don't attempt to hijack truth "
real facts wrote on Sep 23, 2008 10:40 AM:
" I noticed that you responded several times, however, your ramblings make no sense...").
it made sense all right.
you read it, and then you refused to handle your responsibility that YOU created.
people like you always operate that way, always blaiming others for YOUR integrity refusals.
harry potter.
even if you culled the best aspects of harry potter for which to mold your life around, you would still fall miserably/eternally short. (1) harry potter didn't claim to be God, and he didn't die to give you eternal life. (2) harry potter DIDN'T raise himself from the dead, and PROVE he was God.
being cavalier is one thing robb. taking your eternal cues from a cartoonish character......the worst choice you can possibly make.
if Jesus Christ hadn't claimed to be God, and hadn't raised himself from the dead as an historical fact, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you wouldn't be attempting to fight against it
did harry potter fulfill over 300 prophecies made HUNDREDS of years BEFORE his life?
i will get my "tips" in life from the one who did "
Robb wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:03 AM:
Your points are flimsy veils of 1/2 truths and conjecture, I concede to you, as you must be right, being god and all..
I will go back to getting my tips for living from my harry potter books..
thanks "
real facts wrote on Sep 23, 2008 1:14 AM:
and leave that bible crap at the door in your answer").
i almost went to bed, and didn't catch this one.
"bible crap".
good career choice robb, considering that the bible is easily provable as being from God.
throw in a little science, mathematics, archaeology (ask billy), eyewitness accounts from people OPPOSED to Jesus Christ, and eyewitness accounts of over 500 people witnessing Christ POST resurrection.....and there is more than enough PROOF to make anyone gag that calls it "crap".
am i harsh as a Christian? you bet your glass eye i am. not nearly as harsh as God will be toward those that call HIS words.... "crap".
your lucky your dealing with my ire, rather than Gods. maybe someday you will get a clue as to how much is attached to all of this, and you will at least get some RESPECT.
alas, your problem isn't with me, it's with HIM. look at what happens to your heart everytime HIS name is mentioned. everytime it does, anger arises.
ask-yourself-why-that-is, if it's just "fairy tales". no-other-name-bothers-you-that-much. "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:06 PM:
i already knew who you were a L O N G time ago, by adding up the consistent theme in your posts. adding up peoples words and seperating them from their claims is a speciality of mine.
but in your latest "endeavor", i played nice and offered you an out.
what i COULD have done to you a L O N G time ago is reduced your integrity to less than stellar, by demonstrating how you have NEVER ONCE said ONE thing to billy or lodian, everytime those two lie. they lie constantly in an outright fashion, or by twisting others words. you have NEVER said anything to them, or about them, yet you "tried" to get me on one thing, and you didn't even replicate THAT accurately.
see what i mean? that's what you get for thinking you can play me.
integrity my glass eye. if you HAD integrity, you would pick truth over people, and now it's obvious you don't.
we are not....."brothers". repent-and-we-could-be "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:56 PM:
I am not the only one here who is tired of your better then attitude... from know on, I will refer to you as god").
i am sure your tired of my expenditure in here, only that would now be your 3rd lie about me, that i think i am "better then anybody".
not better then.....but better off
what i am, is in a better place positionally, because i actually care about Godly truth, whereas people like you don't. for you to expect me to keep quiet about truth, or to take people to task when they are destroyers of truth, your in la la land. it's the left's methodology of silence, intimidation and bullying people into agenda submission.
guess you ran across someone that doesn't play the people "popularity" card? i don't cower to anybody, and you people should "get it" by now.
you can pull a "billy" nasty straight up heinous, or you can try and sneak in the backdoor with the "peaceful" trick - your still going to get what you have coming to you, should you try and play me.
it's-what-i-do "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:29 PM:
" Both of those points are lies").
really?
PROVE IT, (or cut the "act") "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:28 PM:
didn't take long before the real robb came out to play. i realize no one likes being exposed, but if you stick your integrity neck out, one of two things is going to happen. what happened with you ----> is you fell on your integrity sword, and that's my fault? .....laughing
your the one that purposefully implicated a half truth so people would turn on me. that's a lie, and you got caught. your the one that lied about you getting a "minister's" license because of me. that's a lie.
you lied. not me
you know the common denominator with you people, is you always scream foul and blame others when the spotlight illuminates your true agenda. i just happen to be quick at doing it.
all you had to do as per your own claim of being a "peacemaker", is actually show some integrity and defend yours by qualifying your OWN statements.
you, billy, lodian, etc....your all cut out of the same yellow cloth. you all take swipes at anything approcahing truthful, until i catch you....then when i challenge your statements, you blame me,.......and-cut-and-run "
Robb wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:53 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:43 PM:
" Thanks for the compliments, RF.").
you earned them.
anybody that stands up to these would be God-authority-over-man-destroyers, gets my approval (for whatever that's worth).
aimee, count yourself as being "one of the few".
someone has to stem the tide of their spiritual tsunami "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:39 PM:
" Oh, make No mistake, I am NOT innocent.. ").
i knew that, and that is why i am making sure others now as well.
there is a truckload of integrity's difference between not being "perfect", and lying intentionally.
what i am proving, and using you to do it, is that you people can't defend your position, so you will resort to lying about others when you want to. "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 1:36 PM:
(1) you say "I have No idea why you left", which is an outright lie, because you posted several hit and run attempts to silence me DURING the fiasco, and you read EVERYONE of those posts.
(2) you lied about obtaining your pretend "minister" cert because OF me. that's your statement, that you went and did it because of me. your a liar.
here are your own words...."Robb wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:32 PM:
" I have to thank real facts, after reading his blogs here, I have become an ordained minister".
you people can't even keep your twisted stories straight. now you have to lie in an attempt to "un twist it".
proceed, my faux "brother". . your "innocent" act isn't so innocent afterall. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:44 PM:
"...the Bible has made it very clear: you're either for God or against him-there is no "in-between".
Well, of COURSE there is an in-between. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:41 AM:
"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." (Revelation 3:16) "
Robb wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:38 AM:
Robb wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:38 AM:
I just thought it might be fun to blame you for it.. "
real facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:23 AM:
(2) you provide proof of your statement, that you are now a "minister". it has to be dated pre-post that you claimed it.
people will think this to be unnecessary rediculousness, but it is the length i need to go to with these people to prove their motives.
do it, and cut the "innocent" act. you can act all innocent when you really are "
Robb wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:47 AM:
real facts wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:27 PM:
" I have NEVER lied here, expose all you feel you need to my brother, I have nothing to hide..;) ").
you sure you "never lied here"? you see, i am really good at seperating people from thier words, and i would love nothing more than for you to prove your statement below, POST DATED from your "PR" post above. because i think, your not the person your attempted PR is selling in here. make sure your "proof" is certifiably fool proof. you wouldn't want to become another "sam" in here, would you? no doctored emails. anybody can do that
i am thinking this is where you "pretend" you didn't read this, and couldn't answer.
well??? you invited the "spotlight"
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culled from the prop 8 blog....
Robb wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:32 PM:
" I have to thank real facts, after reading his blogs here, I have become an ordained minister with the universal life church, and plan to marry as many same sex couples as possible... thanks my brother.... " "
real facts wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:12 PM:
that's a PR move on your part to sell to the others your a "peacemaker".
peacemakers love truth, and do nothing to undermine it. not exactly your posture in here. yours is the underhanded destruction of Godly truth, packaged all pretty and nice
i practice soladarity with those that pick Gods truth. those people i can count on..... all the way to the finish line. your PR world means that you will pull chameleon on your "brothers", the first time a stiff wind blows in a different direction.
i would LOVE to be brothers with you, but your proclivities make that impossible......for now.
truth over people.....all the way to the finish line. "
real facts wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:05 PM:
i am going to give you one more chance. you know why i came back in here, and you need to replicate THOSE facts, otherwise your "innocent" act isn't so innocent.
people accuse me all the time of being too harsh, yet i am constantly having to highlight the fact that "you guys" aren't the integrity giants you pass yourself off to be, by replicating what IS factual.
here, i am giving you a chance. are you going to take it, or not? "
Robb wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:13 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:11 PM:
why is it that you people have to lie, misrepresent or purposefully leave out the most important aspects of the details which WILL reveal the WHOLE truth? it's because your weak.
just like i stated about you....another hit and run artist, whose sole purpose is silence or damage
now, let's do an integrity test on you. would you like to explain to the reading audience the details you left out, or should i? "
Robb wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:30 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:49 PM:
shows ALOT about your priorities in life robb, that you would call God and eternity non substantative "subjects".
and yes you "hit and run", making your comments and then hiding back in the shadows. i would like a dollar for everytime i asked you to qualify what you think is "substancial", only to be met with silence.
what i said about you was accurate. any attempt on your part for self vaildation purposes will only serve to embarrass yourself, not me.
look how you reduced yourself to nolo contendre status with your "substance" statement.
hey robb, when you die, there will be a "test".....and you won't "pass or fail" because of me "
Robb wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:37 AM:
real facts wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:26 PM:
robb, just be content to sit back and watch the show. maybe you could care less about learning something with this much hanging on it, but others do.
have you ever served up anything worthwhile in these blogs on this issue, besides your hit and run attempts at shutting down something just because you don't like how the subject matter holds up a mirror to ones own life? "
Robb wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:18 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:48 PM:
hurry up before this blog disappears. you hit and run, but not me. i stay the course, because i love shutting heinous down.
it's my job description "
real facts wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:44 PM:
since that's not the case, no, the bible doesn't say (as far as i am aware of) that God was going to create animals after the flood. maybe it says it, but i don't know. all i know is whatever was on earth at that time that God intended to BE on das boat, was.
you know that scientists are discovering new species. what makes your heinous excuse away the FACT that God created new species post ark? i know, if God did that, it would wup your excuse right out of humanity.
the rainbow was the promise of God to man that he wouldn't flood the EARTH (just in case your pretend chess mind "thought" you were going to include the katrina scenario). you forget who your playing your games against. God won't destroy the earth again by flood, but he will destroy it by fire.
you can bank your heinous majorus on it "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:41 PM:
Reverend Fruitcake wrote:"noah did take enough food...with him to feed all the animals...in genesis 6:21."
If I had read a little farther I would have seen the "proof".
RF continues:"whatever animals were on that ark, are the ONLY ones that inhabited the earth at the time."
So, what you're saying, Reverend Fruitcake, is the earth was NOT stocked with its full compliment of animals at the time of the flood? Does it say that? Does it say in the bible that God made all the rest of the animals after the flood? So then he didn't make all the animals before he made Adam?
I'm learning a lot, Reverend Fruitcake.
rf:"scientists would love YOU to believe (lie) that ALL the animal kingdom was represented, making it "impossible" for the ark to hold em all."
Drat those pesky scientists! I hate them! Them with all their proof! Who do they think they are?
And the rainbow? The rainbow part is true? And the promise? That part is true, too? I need you to say yes to make the bell ring. "
real facts wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:07 PM:
since you claim to be such an expert on what the bible says, i am surprised you read over that notation.
big enough gopher wood to send the message to you that it will happen again.
no rainbows after that one, and if you don't quit with your hatred of all things righteous, YOU will be one of the "many" reasons why. along with your potential roomate "bob" the purveyor of "fairy tales".
funny, bob keeps maintaining he isn't mocking God.
hey bob, can i buy you a one way ticket to mt. ararat? i will chip in an ice pick and a digital camera. your going to have to use your "charm" to get the turkish govt offcials to allow you access to get close enough to apologize to God. you don't owe me an apology "
real facts wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:57 PM:
remember, God said the messiah would ride into jerusalem on the EXACT day the bible predicted hundreds of years later. so matching the ark's measurements was a walk in the park in comparison.
whatever animals were on that ark, are the ONLY ones that inhabited the earth at the time. scientists would love YOU to believe (lie) that ALL the animal kingdom was represented, making it "impossible" for the ark to hold em all.
before you get excited, your going to have to explain new species created by God post ark.
sorry billy. once again even science trumps your wishful thinking.
don't realize that after two years you finally met a Christian that knows how to handle your dismissle 101?
there isn't anything in this arena you can "get me" on. all you are doing, is allowing me the opportunity for someone TO believe, based on the ACTUAL facts of history.
did i ever thank you for that? "
real facts wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:47 PM:
" Thanks Timothy. As my god Jimmy Buffett says,").
bad choice. your god is "wasting away", and cannot "sing" to you in eternity.
does your uncle priest approve of your god designation? "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:58 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:49 PM:
Anyway, it sounds like the ark was the size of a mediocre cruise ship.
Does it say in the bible if God maybe magically shrunk the animals? Were they configured differently then and they were stackable? How could millions of animals fit on a cruise ship? I've known people who complained their cruise ship felt like being in a cattlecar; what would they have said if they had been berthed on the deck that had *all* the animals of Africa on it? I mean, honestly, wouldn't they be squashed together so tight their ribs would be cracking?
Does it say in the bible how they kept getting food? Wouldn't they keep needing new food? What did Noah use to run the refrigerators? This appears to be a problem.
Oh gee, I wish Reverend Fruitcake or one of his fanclub minions would come and explain this puzzle. "
Timothy wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:25 PM:
" I would estimate an ark roughly the size of the Death Star."
Well I do like your answer better. Fits right in there with the TGIF theme.
Bob, I do enjoy your blogs. "
Timothy wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:23 PM:
Noah's Ark was taller than a 3-story building and had a deck area the size of 36 lawn tennis courts. Its length was 300 cubits (450 feet, or 135 meters); its width was 50 cubits (75 feet, or 22.5 meters); it had three stories and its height was 30 cubits (45 feet, or 13.5 meters).
Have a great evening. "
Timothy wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:21 PM:
An early Merry Christmas to you. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:02 PM:
So, Reverend, if you don't know how big it was, how can you believe a wooden boat was large enough to hold a breeding pair of every animal species on the entire earth and enough food to sustain them? Was the ark bigger than a wooden aircraft carrier? Could you even *make* a wooden aircraft carrier? Would all the animals fit in it?
How do you suppose the ones got there from North America? And after the "flood", how did they get back? All of the animals lived and none got sick? Illness was wiped out? Then how did illness make a comeback if all the "seed" animals were immune?
Do you believe all of the flood story, Reverend? The rainbow and the promise and the whole bit? "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:45 PM:
Again, fairy tales and nonsense. "
real facts wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:40 AM:
" How big was the ark?
In modern dimensions; I am unfamiliar with cubits. ").
figure it out, and do your own homework.
or if your playing games, quit clogging up the blog and come straight out with it.
you do realize the reason FOR the ark in the first place, don't you billy? and you do realize this little event in history will lead us back to why heinous is a baaaaaad CHOICE. please proceed. but do it before the blog disappears. this is another gem from me to you
btw, save your money. the whole koran can be perused online. "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:37 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:24 AM:
http://brainbowpress.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1 "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 19, 2008 5:38 AM:
In modern dimensions; I am unfamiliar with cubits. "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:51 PM:
now that was funny. "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:49 PM:
" I notice you once again skip answering questions while throwing out questions of your own. I'll answer yours when you can CORRECTLY quote me as saying the Bible was mistranslated").
unless you have life insurance to leave for your wife, don't hold your breath. i guaranTEE you it won't happen. the official diagnosis; "mentally incapable majorus - interruptUS".
billy graduHATED from hit and run universiNO, with a degree in autopilot dismissle 101.
spent his free time playing twister, and was so enamored with the game, he incorporated it into the way he deals with others. ever read that t-shirt; "doesn't play well with others"?
twisted mister. even milton bradley knows billy desecrates that american icon game.
so no, he won't answer you like a real man should. but he will lie, avoid and twist your words like a man threatened by the truth would.
which reminds me billy, where IS that scripture that says i should sell my daughter into "sexual slavery" ?(as your lying heinous put it).
oh yeah, it DOESN'T exist.
your game is over "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:30 PM:
man i am all over this one. anytime i can make billy choke on history, that's a good day.
here's a little SCIENTIFIC tid bit taylor made for billy, the master of dismissle.....SCIENTISTS found gopher wood on mt. ararat in turkey billy. gopher wood ISN'T indiginous (big word dedicated to "bob" the integrity giant) to anywhere near there. here is the winner winner chicken dinner my opposition of two years, the ark was made out of gopher wood. what is gopher wood doing in a place where the ark is believed to have come to rest per the HISTORICAL biblical record?
will start with that HISTORICAL/SCIENTIFIC outside the bible FACT. (i am a little excited tonight, thus my CAPitalization of dem important wurds).
next, because you started it, lets see you man up and finish what YOU started. wanna debate me about the ark, and it's supposed "contradictions" ?
(salivating on my part) "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:18 PM:
" Sorry RF. ").
not a problem. i knew what went down, and me cool.
BTW, you are doing EXCELLANT in your role in here. i have MAD respect for people that stand up for the truth.
it's not everyone's role to do what i do, and i am good with that. what i am not good with is when Christians claim they love Christ, yet they won't take any stand, and prefer to allow evil to re-define God. what i like about you, is that you DO take a stand. H5x10
like i said to rhodie, debating/discussing ANYTHING with billy is a waste of time. the guy exemplifies all things heinous. what IS worth it for me (to take out his trash daily), is to send the message that you can't use Christians as door mats any longer.
if a person wants to be respectful, and debate like a reasonable human being, that person will get my respect, despite possessing polar opposite beliefs.
anyone-that-wants-to-play-games, and-is-out-to-damage-the-authority-of-God-over-man, that-person-becomes-my "best friend".
it's what i do. "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:03 PM:
So which is it, do you want your questions answered or do you just want to throw questions out in an effort to prove your dominance?").
substiTUDE the word "dominance" with the word "icouldcarelessitis", and you would be golden. billy's heinous dominates his soul, but that's about it.
---->he doesn't reign in here anymore<----
the guy doesn't care rhodie. his days are spent dismissing anything and everything that represents any possibility other than his heinous, before he see's it or hear's it.
everything you have ever said, he has rejected. as if that wasn't bad enough, look how he lied to you again that you "didn't do it". you can't deal with someone that has a case of terminal moron.
the guy is pathological heinous. he would have somewhat of an excuse if he had ADHD heinous. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:07 PM:
Here, let me stand aside while you make your statement. I readily admit to being ignorant of the bible and will always defer to a more learned poster.
If I misquoted you by saying the bible was mistranslated, then what you must actually have said is that its translation is perfect and everything in it says exactly what God said it must say, because no human could have gotten away with editing it, could they?
No, the more I think about it, the bible is exactly the way it always has been since the beginning of time and is the complete untainted word of God.
Every word. Right?
Hey, Rhodie, do you believe the story of Noah's Ark? How much of it do you believe? Is there any part of it that just seems to stretch credulity a little? "
Aimee wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:22 PM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:19 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:03 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:58 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:16 PM:
" OK, Rhodie. I see you struggling.
Was the bible mistranslated or were you lying when you said it was?"
Noun 1. mistranslation - an "incorrect" translation "
Aimee wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:49 PM:
Whoa! I have nothing against you RF, so not too sure where you got that I come around to tell you you're horrible.
The reason I don't debate BR about religion is because it is a waste of MY time, but not necessarily a waste of YOUR time...he just wants to do the "back and forth" for his own amusement and I refuse to play his game. What will it accomplish if I debate him on religion? Nothing. If you feel strongly that you must, I do not look down on you for your efforts. But don't start attacking those people who take a lower-key approach to this subject. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:16 PM:
Was the bible mistranslated or were you lying when you said it was?
Yes
or
No
If you find yourself afraid your fingers will snap off if you try to type it, just blink your eyes once for yes, twice for no. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:02 PM:
It's interesting how you demand explinations and then when they are given you lament them as tedious homilies and mock them as evasions. So which is it, do you want your questions answered or do you just want to throw questions out in an effort to prove your dominance? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:56 PM:
Again you are unable to relicate a simple fact. I have said over and over it is not my place to judge people. In fact I have stated repeatedly that I believe all people to be equal. I'm sorry you take exception to that. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:48 PM:
""Is there a reason you just cannot address your factual assertion of the bible being mistranslated?"[quoting Billy Rubin]"
"I have, you are just unwilling to accept the explinations."
[end Rhodie quote]
And what explanation might that be, Rhodie? Do you have to break out the tedious homilies again? Now what will we have to pretend? Do you need paper and a crayon this time? Would modeling clay help?
You didn't OFFER any explanations, Rhodie. You began rambling, got lost somewhere along the way and ultimately your little puppet show went quiet and died.
I can't make your case for you, Rhodie.
YOU are the one who has pronounced your judgment against millions of your fellow Americans, calling them immoral and as bad as thieves because they are gay.
YOU claim to have powerful magic that gives you this cosmic insight to judge people.
I'm pressing it out of you.
Your stuff is either real or you're just another pompous, judgmental religious nut who is using your "holy book" to hurt people. "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:02 AM:
I take it you think, based on your condescending attitude twords me for taking care of my kids that you think families should be splintered because of work.").
don't take it personal.
billy is a little "discumboobalated" because he can't procreate. tried to take his frustrations out on me as well.
billy understands logic, he just rejects it. what he doesn't understand is physiology. he thinks his "adam and steve" mentality should enjoy the fruits of their "labor", yielding a little "billy". won't happen, and i think he is realizing it.
i think he is realizing alot of things these days. chief of which is that his door mat treatment of Christians reign, is OVER.
get a cat billy, and leave "us" alone.
otherwise, "we" are your daily "reminders" "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:50 AM:
regurgitation nation has spoken the NON truth again.
billy, you do realize if you spend the entire time lying, that is not only obvious you have no game, but no future as well? where in your futile mind do you possibly think that lying about events/people will get you anywhere but some place bad? in this life OR the next.
anyway, once again, your a liar. rhodie explained your feigned "inconsistencies", as well as myself, and now you lie that "no one will touch it".
billy, trix are for kids. we play in the big leagues billy, and there is NOTHING you can do to lie and twist your way out of TRUE history replicated by people who actually know their biz.
your used to throwing Christians around like rag dolls. tables are turned now billy. now-YOUR-the-doll....(but-not-in-the-lavender-noodle-sort-of-way-that-you-are-used-to) "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:39 AM:
" Your inability to seperate your preconcieved notions from facts must hurt your job performance. If your ability to replicate facts here is an indication of your performance at work you may want to consider a career change. ").
read his posts rhodie. the guy understands more than well enough.
if you read every post the guy writes, it is dismissive right away. he suffers from premature nyet joculation.
i apologize bob. that was probably over your intelligence "pay grade" (but the grammer was EXCELLANT).
anyway, you can't debate, converse or reason with someone that has "NO" ready on the tip of his tongue before you even type one word. ever see billy agree with anything that IS true?
nope. the guy is a human twister game mat. he will run you all over the planet, before he will cop to a truth. his game is so weak, he thinks if he agree's with something you say, he is in effect agreeing with your ideaology, therefore he will twist your words and lie about ANY truth you spill.
the guy is what psychiatric case studies are made of. "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:25 AM:
my computer took a cue from billy, and regurgitated. "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:12 AM:
" I think you have a crush on me Fido. Quit obsessing. ").
you have me confused with billy.
billy is the one that swings from that side of the plate.
go knock on his door "
real facts wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:55 AM:
" I think you have a crush on me Fido. Quit obsessing. ").
you have me confused with billy.
billy is the one that swings from that side of the plate.
go knock on his door "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:01 AM:
I have, you are just unwilling to accept the explinations.
"Yes, perhaps you're right; a change might be in order.
Maybe I should pretend I'm straight and have my wife support me."
As much as you insult me for having a successful wife makes me believe that you think women shouldn't work. Fact is, if I worked she wouldn't have the career she has now because her travel and long hours would be impossible. It would also be a fact that if I worked then me kids would have been raised in daycare and come home after school to an empty house.
I take it you think, based on your condescending attitude twords me for taking care of my kids that you think families should be splintered because of work. That kids are better off not having any parents around. And that the pursuit of the all mighty dollar is first and foremost in the world. Talk about believing a myth. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:54 AM:
You mean like when you didn't answer my question about the host being the flesh of Jesus? You mean like when you turned your back on questions you found too destabilizing to your premise?
You mean THAT kind of "didn't answer"? "
Right, I notice that you like to throw out a ton of questions but never actually answer any yourself. Then you get all miffed when your questions are skipped over and repost them a dozen times.
"You mean like when you didn't answer my question about the host being the flesh of Jesus?"
So let me answer for you in a way you will never accept because it is faith based and you will never accept an answer based on faith and Biblical teachings. I believe it is as much the Flesh of Christ every Sunday as it was that first time Jesus did it with his disciples. I know you are completely incapable of understanding what that means, not an insult but reality based on your postings here. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:26 AM:
Hmmm... didn't answer?
You mean like when you didn't answer my question about the host being the flesh of Jesus? You mean like when you turned your back on questions you found too destabilizing to your premise?
You mean THAT kind of "didn't answer"? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:17 AM:
"Your inability to seperate your preconcieved notions from facts must hurt your job performance. If your ability to replicate facts here is an indication of your performance at work you may want to consider a career change."
Yes, perhaps you're right; a change might be in order.
Maybe I should pretend I'm straight and have my wife support me.
Rhodie, your valiant attempt is a failure. To tell me, outright, there is no comparison, then allude to some future "homecoming moment" when, after you have talked about everything else, used every metaphor and made every comparison until you FINALLY get back to the topic is silly.
Is there a reason you just cannot address your factual assertion of the bible being mistranslated?
None, not one, of the pseudo-Christians here is willing to honestly address the basic flaws, the ones they have spent a lifetime learning to explain away and ignore. Ol' Aimee comes around to tell me I'm horrible, but she won't touch it either. It's a radioactive topic with you people. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:37 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:35 PM:
I'm as able to discuss it as you are able to listen to it.
Since you couldn't pick it out on your own the single important element that ties the two together is the destination and the effort to get there. Both the Bible and the elevator/staircase are represenatives of journeys in the metaphor.
"Well, since you brought it up; what, then, is the important common element between biblical mistranslations and the choice of walking or driving to the store?"
For someone who works in a "yes and no" industry you certainly have problems with real facts (not the blogger).
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:11 AM: "Rhodie wrote You have to go to the store a mile away for a couple of things. You can drive or walk. Which one is wrong?"
There is no comparison here. IT was a simple question. One you did not answer. The comparison was to come later when you answered which you didn't. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM:
Well, since you brought it up; what, then, is the important common element between biblical mistranslations and the choice of walking or driving to the store?
I have a feeling the common element will be some invented, meandering, struggling attempt to hitch the two polar-opposite topics together.
Rhodie, incredible though it may seem to you, I get it. I understand metaphors. What I don't understand is your utter failure to communicate without such illsuited, incongruous ones. Are you fundamentally unable to string together enough words to discuss the bible on its own merits? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 PM:
I'm sorry, maybe an English lesson would help clear why I use metaphors which are defined as "A figure of speech in which an implied comparison is made between two unlike things that actually have something important in common. A metaphor expresses the unfamiliar (the tenor) in terms of the familiar (the vehicle). When Neil Young sings, "Love is a rose," "rose" is the vehicle for "love," the tenor." "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:16 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:08 PM:
anyway, i was driving thru galt today, and i noticed a bunch of emergency vehicles congregating in one place. my dream of being on "cops" one day got the better of me, so i had to see what was going down. as i approached i noticed a little gang banger in handcuffs sitting on the sidewalk all mad that he was caught. defiant little punk.
anyway, i thought of YOU. that's right, rhodie told the truth. sometimes those coinkadinks happen so that us humans RETAIN a grip on reality.
know why that punk reminded me of YOU? because he saw himself as a "victim". just like you, a person who "thinks" his cause is "noble", yet whose goal it is to do nothing more than cause damage.
just like that punk, your no "victim".
you have placed yourself in handcuffs on the immorality/God-hater sidewalk curb of life.
"we"-are-only-the-police. later, you-will-stand-before-the "judge" "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:07 PM:
If you are so steadfastly against the bible and religion, why debate the christians on here?").
that's the point. HE DOESN'T. never has. the guy doesn't debate, he just flails away with his manufacturing plant of truth interuptUS. the first atttempt to correct his purposeful lies thru respectful debate of the actual facts, he switches gears and twists and lies even more. even MORE heinous, the guy WON'T debate anything. all he will do is lie and scream foul, and play his responsiBILLYity deflection game.
he will start all kinds of garbage in here, but when chalenged, he won't finish it.
for TWO YEARS i have been telling the truth about this guy. he is on a mission to damage anything related to God, Christ, Christians or Christianity.
that's a two-year-consistent-no-breath-taken FACT. and THAT'S why i don't leave ANYTHING in the bag with this guy. he is responsible for spawning the "others" in here, because "they" defend him over their liberal agenda. because i oppose his evil, that spawns the others.
that's why i do what i do. "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:54 PM:
they are alot of ads in the lodinews sentinel for two bedroom apts. billy is feeling a little lonely, and is now blaiming "us" for his heinous majorus.
please take the humanitarian initiative and ask billy to be roomates. you can balance each other out. he can help you with your nasty habit of smacking your dog, and you can help de-program him on his heinous outofcontrolus. i dunno, just a thought.
anyway "bob", you don't have enough in the tank for an intellectual pas de deux with me. your quite a few "marbles" short of the bagful it takes to contend on these issues.
i bet you read my "grammar" on that one, eh scott baio? "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:43 PM:
see what i mean? even when rhodie is being ultra respectful (despite billy being his usual heinous self), the guy (billy) acts like the consistent jerk he has always been. no self contol. no self control is an earmark of heinous run amok.
and these people accuse "us" of hatred.
laughing. billy isn't interested in debate or discussion, despite him lying about it a handful of posts ago. plain and simple, he LOVES his perversion, and could care less about anything else. he cannot even control his heinous long enough to BE respectful.
once again though, the "other" integrity giants in here will still support his heinous. i guarantee it
rhodie, i told you so. the guy isn't interested in anything BUTT heinous majorus.
i told him that Jesus Christ rode into jeruslaem on a donkey on the EXACT day predicted by the bible HUNDREDS of years before it happened. only God can predict that. anybody that rejects that FACT, rejects it because they LOVE their sin....and could care less "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:42 PM:
OK. Probably for the best. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:21 PM:
and
"Was Rhodie right when he said it has been mistranslated? "
Again, why do you care to debate when you stated (see above) that you cannot be "converted". Do you really care what I think? Of course not. From reading your posts, I believe you just enjoy the game of cat and mouse in the hopes that you can make the values christians hold dear as nothing more than a collection of fairy tales.
No, I think I'll save my energy and put it to better use than debating someone like you about religion. I'll let RF do that. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:10 PM:
Not sure how you came to that conclusion because I neither implied nor stated that I was trying to "tell you off"; I was simlply expressing what I have observed. Now, in your usual style, you are again applying motives to others where none such exist. Please justify your assumption that I posted just to "tell you off".
Where did the quote "make the sale" come from? Certainly not me. You proved my point for me in just two small posts and you probably didn't even realize it. How sad. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:06 PM:
Please elucidate on this comment. Please give us all some examples of how I am not, as you say so eloquently, "hooked together so good". For once, why don't you back up one of your suppositions. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:04 PM:
LOL! Do you actually think that I would cry over a piece of work such as yourself? Please...you're funny as well as offensive. Interesting combination. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 3:13 PM:
Or is it imperfect?
Was Rhodie right when he said it has been mistranslated? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 3:09 PM:
You want so badly to tell me off but you don't know how to get a foothold, so you try to get started with twisting "...make the sale..." into a direct quote?
LOL
You poor thing. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 3:05 PM:
There was no correlation between the actual topic - that of your claim that the bible has been mistranslated - and the distraction device you offered, of imaginary trips to stores or ascending figurative elevators.
I can appreciate your effort, Rhodie, but - and maybe it's this venue, but only the True Believers are swallowing what you are dishing up. To a skeptic, it reads like nothing more than the wistful pinings of a child who can talk for hours about the peoples and events in his imaginary world. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 2:55 PM:
Really? He actually said that? Because I looked through his posts and couldn't find anywhere where he says "the bible is perfect". Oh, did you mean that he "suggested" that it was perfect-"implied" that it was perfect? You should be a little more clear otherwise people may assume that he really did literally say that. But then again, that's the way you like to play the game, isn't it? Twisting words ever so slightly to make your point. If you are so steadfastly against the bible and religion, why debate the christians on here?
I know why-for your own amusement and nothing more than that. If you think you have managed to fluster and upset a christian who is strong in his/her faith, I'll just bet that makes your day. It's taken me very little time to figure you out-don't think that the other people on here are more gullible-they see through you as much as I do. "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:47 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:30 PM:
Not trying to confuse. It is actually a well established communication technique for those who differ on an issue. Using metaphors starts to close gaps of misunderstanding. Maybe the reason the metaphors are missing their mark is that there is an absolute barrier between us that keeps real communication from happening. Each of us probably think it is on the other side. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:25 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:58 PM:
Driving or walking to the store has nothing to do with the bible.
Making some lame comparison between taking the stairs or an elevator is worthless in defending your bible. The bible has either been mistranslated, as you said earlier, or it hasn't.
You can call the bible a stew if you want, but that doesn't explain away the parts you claim were no longer to be taken literally. Others here have said all of it is to be taken literally, all the time.
One book; many interpretations.
Whose interpretation is right? Rev. Nolton? Maybe the Koran is right, eh?
Rhodie, you keep trying to make the sale that the bible is perfect, while whispering out of the corner of your mouth that it is not. So, enjoy the fantasy of your soupy bike ride up the escalator to the store of The Truth. Up! UP! And AWAY!! "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:44 PM:
I do not believe because I have been exposed to the bible.
Some people, such as you, want so badly to believe the bible stories are true, there is no amount of contradiction you will not gladly overlook. It is wonderful to you.
I didn't believe it as a kid and I don't believe it now. Reading bibleonlinedotcom is not going to make the conflicts in the subject matter go away or make me overlook them. There is no more chance of my being converted by your links than for you to be meaningfully educated by www.god-is-fake-a-roo.com .
As fervently as you believe (or profess to believe), I know with equal certainty you are wrong. "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:26 AM:
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:24 AM:
" People play God every day with executions, abortions, even getting your pets spayed and neutered, so we might as well clone too and avoid the hypocrisy.
BTW, I never "play" God. I take it very seriously when I use my god-like superpowers. " "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:24 AM:
***************************************
well bob, resourceful guy that i am for all things truth, let's re-visit your lie about "not mocking God" in one of your MANY historic excerpts from a past blog entitled "should we clone our pets".
now unlike billy, i copy and paste ALL your own words, so the real slime of what you said is totally transparent. feel free to high five me afterward for busting you on your lie. tip your hat to your opponent when they one up you. it's the noble thing to do.
and now for bob's "untrue" representation of himself .....con't "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:41 AM:
should you "insist" that i embarrass you some more, taking out the trash is what i do for the sake of the truth.
bob loblaw. nice choice for a screename. tells alot about where your headed in life "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:33 AM:
one thing you will notice, i have always owned the righteous judgement aspects of God, so you won't see me making excuses or "apologizing" for Gods decisions in these areas of life......over history. God doesn't put up with rebellion, so THANK YOU for underlining WHY i do what i do in here, when it comes to people like YOU, who are ONLY interested in the destruction of who God really is.
pure and simple, it's dispensational. God chose to deal with rebellion right away then, as opposed to his "patience" about it now. make no mistake voter, on your current path, YOU are headed for the same consequences someday, should you continue YOUR rebellion.
the current dispensations "tether" isn't long enough for you to act all brave about it, as the time of reckoning appears to be near.
don't believe me? watch america be judged by God in the near future, as it slides ever faster into immoral depravity without conscience.
since-when-does-God-have-to-be-defended-against-for-taking-people-like-YOU-to-task?
i sure own it " "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:31 AM:
your a liar, and the copy and paste of my next post will validate that accusation against you.
the good thing about your lies, is that they are easily substantiated and provable. providing proof that you are a liar......priceless.
since you have been a harrassing jerk posting your repeated lie over and over in every blog that i "didn't", feel free to choke on my next post.
love, real facts "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:26 AM:
discuss? that's a joke. you have never discussed or debated anything. all you have ever done in here is throw rocks at people, then run away. look at your "discussion" with rhodie. you immediately move to kill the discussion via your hatred for the subject matter. rather than being respectful, your punk-o-matic takes over. discussion. sure billy
i did answer ALL of the list, when i stated i OWNED Gods character of taking his creation to task. i didn't beg out of Gods judgements or apologize it away. i OWNED IT. i also, which you still lie about, differentiated in other blogs the dispensational aspects of God, and the differences of ceremonial/moral laws.
as usual, your a liar i "didn't" "
Audi 5000 wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 AM:
Bible study is hard work. Every verse has intrinsic meaning apart from any of our opinions. In other words, there is not more than one meaning to Scripture.
The Bible was given to all of us, not just special people in the church. God commands us to know its contents. It is knowable.
God is faithful in preserving His Word. Nothing has been lost in translation and no concept or command has been altered in such a way to change its meaning. The Bible has never been rewritten to change its meaning. Historical evidence has proven this fact.
There is only one way to God, and one truth in Scripture. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 AM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:53 AM:
Such truth was never more clearly spoken. That's exactly what is happening here. BR and his ilk will find excuse after excuse after excuse to justify why God and the bible are tainted and flawed. No amount of quoting or discussion will ever change their minds. The ability of a human being to believe in religion, of any kind, is ultimately based on faith, something you cannot see, hear, taste or touch. If you lack faith, you will lack the ability to believe. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:15 AM:
Sam, you out there, how about you? Did it make sense?
I haven't had indepth training on such issues, just what I've done myself so I am curious as to outsiders takes on my explinations. This is an open invitation to any of my postings, even if you disagree or want to engage me on a specific point. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:11 AM:
Another example off of the Elevator and Stairs; You have to go to the store a mile away for a couple of things. You can drive or walk. Which one is wrong? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:05 AM:
As I said Billy, both versions will get you where you are going, one just takes more effort. You interprit this as misinterpretations because you are looking at the Bible as a flawed manuscript. You are looking for a specific result and everything you read, you read to justify your position. Every read the Jurasic Park novel? There's an interesting part in there (stop reading here if you haven't but intend to). The scientists are looking to make sure the dinos are living well so they have sensors to let them know if there are a certain number of dinos running around. If it falls below then alarms go off. But in the story they change the perameters, not to see if that number of dinos were out there, but HOW many dinos were out there. Their basic premise for their programing was limited to what they were looking for and not open to what was real. "
Audi 5000 wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:54 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 AM:
If the church "Experts", as you call them, know God's real intent in the bible, why haven't the errors in the printed version of the bible been corrected centuries ago? Why does the mis-teaching continue? How long have these errors been known?
Did the people who actually composed the bible have God come to them in a dream and tell them what to write? How has this been verified? Given the contradictions in it, I wonder how the conflicting stories have been vetted and why Christians so readily accept the lack of consistency in "God's Perfect Work". "
T & C wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:15 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:09 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:04 AM:
I knew as I typed that you would bring this point to light. I almost addressed it last night but decided to wait and see. Again this is an issue that some scholars spend their entire life studying so I won't be able to explain it in 400 words BUT in a nutshell it goes like this: The Bible, we believe is from and of God, inspired and given directly to man. The original manifestation of this was in Hebrew, Latin and Greek (for us Catholics). Over the years it has been translated into the current vernaculars and some words are poorer choices than others. A case in point is the Hebrew word for Murder is not the same as Kill. The correct interpritation is "Thou shall not Murder". Cont. "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 17, 2008 6:38 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 6:12 AM:
voter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:52 PM:
" God implores his followers to:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
(Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Kill Children who hit their fathers
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Kill children who curse their Parents
(Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Kill Adulterers
(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Kill Nonbelievers
(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)(Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Kill Blaspheers
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) " "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 17, 2008 6:10 AM:
Not so, according to you?
And, as far as begging off that you simply can't answer in 200 words, I say you can, Rhodie. You may not have noticed, but Reverend Fruitcake spends a lot of time at his keyboard, making sure I get his message of Christian hate.
If his wish was to discuss rather than rage at me, he'd simply copy Voter's list and address them one by one and make me look foolish. Making such a post wouldn't be difficult, except the answer destroys his entire premise - he CAN'T answer it; so he opts for the "Fart in a Whirlwind" technique, claiming, in a flurry of purple-faced spluttering, that he answered already. We ALL know he didn't, we ALL know he's a liar, but the sport is in watching him squirm and lie and spew his hate in the name of Jesus. "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:41 AM:
don't worry about "who" is interested, as God determines the bullseye. just make sure that when God moves on your heart to share knowledge about him, then do it. do it and let it go. don't ever concern yourself with the acceptance of what your saying, otherwise you will filter what you say because of it. and you will in-advertantly allow others to shape what you say.
when he moves upon your heart, say it, and let it go.
God over people rhodie. there is a whole lot of freedom packed into that statement "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:16 AM:
If there were twenty "Billy's" on this site and only one who was really interested, I would share for the one. The rest wouldn't change their opinion of me if I was shouting from the rafters or whispering in the corner. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:06 AM:
http://www.kreuzer-siegfried.de/hilfsmittel/hebr-500-engl.pdf "
real facts wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:01 AM:
i never explained this before, but i am only willing to take out billy's trash for the benefit of someone who is actually interested in the truths of life, not for "billy". billy has proven consistently for two years his heinous is solidified.
my aim isn't at billy per se. my aim is making sure others understand the severity attached to mocking God, and how much is riding on eternity.
people HAD the notion that Christians cannot stand against evil, and still replicate Gods authority. the defense against evil IS love. love for the truth enough to protect it against ANY onslaught. i work to that end, and to send the messsage to others this is serious business, and you NEVER mock God. you better have it figured out before one dies, or it won't matter how one "felt about it".
billy is no more than a pathetic pawn "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:54 PM:
"But there is another verse which skeptics makes hash of, Leviticus 24:17. The word here is nakah, and some make much over the fact that though this is forbidden by God, we see the Canaanites getting nakahed, David nakahing Goliath, etc. -- well, nakah occurs in the OT almost 500 times! But it actually would not have taken much to figure this one out, either. Nakah is a word that is used in the sense of striking (Gen. 19:11, where land is nakahed), defeating or conquering (Gen. 14:5, 7, where Abraham nakahs an army). It does not mean "to kill" but is given that definition by context alone. Being that nakah does carry this variety of nuances, it is absurd to allege that there is some contradiction in Scripture over nakah."
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nokilling.html
So "Nakah" has as many variances as our English "Love" does. You can love pizza or Superwalmart, but not in the same way as your spouse. In 3000yrs people could be bloggin about what we meant by "love" as we are now about "Kill" in the Bible. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:51 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:49 PM:
one advocates having sex with your own daughter, and the other one smacks his dog around and thinks it's hysterical.
my, the stakes are high in here.
with these two leading the way of what's measurable value-wise in life, it won't be that much longer till the world DOES cave in on itself.
man i long for about 30 years ago when people would actually call these guys on their heinous.
what a beautiful world we have created for ourselves where these guys go unchallenged. even high fived.
people scratch thier heads and wonder why this world is in such dis-array.
I DON'T "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:40 PM:
you flushed that fast.
now that i know why you address yourself as "bob loblaw", and because i am excellant at connecting the dots, it is becoming increasingly clear as to why you are jumping in and in-advertantly shilling for billy.
you both enjoy giving a free pass to perversion, and calling it "entertainment". now i know why.
nice bob.
see if your uncle can provide counseling for that proclivity, before perversion turns you into a "billy", then it's too late.
i hope for your uncles sake you made up the "my uncle's a priest story" for your own personal entertainment, because you strike me as a fellow that makes up alot of things, and if your uncle can't make a stand for Jesus Christ over you, that would be a no no for him.
your not living in the real world bob. someday, if you don't make friends with reality, reality will make an example out of you.
that's not a hallmark card "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:24 PM:
And if you really want true understanding go crazy here:").
therein lies the problem. billy isn't interested in the least of having anything to do with "true understanding". has nothing to do with God, the bible, Christians, Christianity, other religions, etc.
in two years i have NEVER seen the guy pick any kind of truth about anything over agenda. for two years he has NEVER apologized for ANYTHING he has said/done. has ZERO conscience about lying about anything/anyone. doesn't debate anything brought up to him in even the most respectful fashion.
if you think rhodie this guy is remotely interested in understanding, you are blissfully ignorant. he tore you to pieces when you were being respectful, patient and kind.
your wasting your time being kind and patient with God-hating evil. you can if you want to, but the guy is steered by perversion, and isn't the least bit interested in pulling over into the "rest stop" of life.
you watch rhodie. he will lie even more about you. he cannot control himself any longer, as perversion is what controls him now "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:11 PM:
what's funny is watching you chase your tail, because you don't have anything left in the bag.
be that as it may, we will play the game YOUR way. in chronological blog order, you never answered my question to you first. you asked me a question about the archaelogical proof of Jesus Christ. i answered it, and challenged you to answer my question. you never did, and even after i noted it in my last blog, you showed your true "integrity" by not addressing it. before you ever started your integrity flushing barrage, i asked you first.
what will be poignant to watch now, is your next lie about not handling your business as a man, and blaiming me for your refusal to do so. blaiming everyone BUT yourself. it's what you do.
lying doesn't equal strength billy.
it demonstrates your supreme weakness.
lie away billy. (your not a "victim") "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:58 PM:
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/ChurchVState/BibleLawIndex/bl_index.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0QLQ/is_2006_May/ai_n16532763
http://law.hamline.edu/files/BerkowitzRev.pdf
And if you really want true understanding go crazy here:
http://www.biblelaw.com/cgi-bin/p.cgi?links "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:18 PM:
"Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:45 PM:
"What the Honorable Right Reverend Dr. Fruit Cake should do to defend the holy and divine word of Almighty God is tell us all which of the biblical commands are no longer valid. He had studiously avoided doing this.
There is much confusion among those of us with a... uhh... well, shall we say "less elastic" view of reality. New Christians can learn from the Reverend which of his god's laws are real and which are fake. The fake ones can, obviously, be ignored. I'm sure at the next printing, the bible will be edited and the worthless passages will be discarded.
So.
Which ones can the newly-minted God-Lover rip out of his bible, Reverend??? Is all of Voter's list trash now? It seems like only yesterday you said it was all still biblical law. Ooops, wait, I think that was actually TODAY - not yesterday!" "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:19 PM:
take heart, with this stellar integrity giant crowd, you can do anything and they will high five it.
apparently having sex with your daughter and beating your dog IS acceptable to "them", so you should be comfortable airing anything else that is "admirable" concerning your pretend character.
listen, i know you are used to using Christians for door mats, but that isn't going to happen in here. you can see that i won't take garbage from anybody, and i won't allow anyone to mock God unchecked. you should put that idea out of your head that you can walk all over Christians/Christianity.
that-won't-happen-any-longer.
love, real facts "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:08 PM:
what IS measureable now, is there will still be those that support your obvious perversion. now that is sick
a factual true statement; to this day, there has been NO ONE that has ever said a word to you about your perverted statement. and THAT after you have said it multiple times in different forms.
makes what i say about the "others" in here......TRUE "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:02 PM:
that day revealed your true heinous-majorus, and gave a "face" to what perversion really does to a person.
perversion unchecked with no conscience is speeding freight train headed to freddie mercury ville.
you lost your battle to legitimize homosexuality that day. any attempt by you now to do so, will be immediately followed by me reminding what perversion does to a person.
you rained on your own parade, and turned homosexuality back into the perversion it is. anybody that utters those words without conscience, even repeating them despite being called on it, only does so because their heart is wicked.
gay rights. yeah right. anybody that high fives that garbage doesn't have anybody to blame but themselves for being called a pervert.
all that work about "normalizing" gay sex. GONE. down the drain. your now a poster boy for why gay sex is perversion. anybody that thinks your a chumPION for gay rights is a moron.
1-step-forward, and-500-steps-backwards-for-you. you *almost* had them believing you were the chumPION of gay rights.....until-you-fell-on-your-perversion-sword "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:47 PM:
funny you would lie about me "not" answering your twisted up drivel. you asked to come up with one instance of archaeological proof of Jesus Christ. i did, then you ran for the hills. verifiable archaelogical historical evidence via a source COMPLETELY outside the bible, and antagonistic toward Christianity. after i answered you, i asked you to debate it. you ran clean away from it. you still will. of course you will lie about it, because you can't handle your business like a real man. crossdressing-intellectualism. i think i just coined a new phrase
the complete difference between your life and mine, is you HAVE to lie about your opponent. all i have to do with you is to demonstrate your zero status, is your hit and run lying game.
lie all you want billy, the PROOF is in the blogs about who really did what.
no proof huh billy? "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:23 PM:
What a tool.... "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:22 PM:
Why, yes. Yes it WAS the Reverend - and he WAS running, running away from a BIBLE question.
He doesn't like tough questions. If it's beyond passing his godly judgment on others, he's not interested. He's what you call one o' them false Christians. Don't know what he's talkin about but that don't stop him. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:19 PM:
" What the Honorable Right Reverend Dr. Fruit Cake should do to defend the holy and divine word of Almighty God is tell us all which of the biblical commands are no longer valid. He had studiously avoided doing this.
There is much confusion among those of us with a... uhh... well, shall we say "less elastic" view of reality. New Christians can learn from the Reverend which of his god's laws are real and which are fake. The fake ones can, obviously, be ignored. I'm sure at the next printing, the bible will be edited and the worthless passages will be discarded.
So.
Which ones can the newly-minted God-Lover rip out of his bible, Reverend??? Is all of Voter's list trash now? It seems like only yesterday you said it was all still biblical law. Ooops, wait, I think that was actually TODAY - not yesterday! " "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:04 PM:
taking out peoples trash like yours is a walk in the park for me. i am more than willing to debate the real issues of life with anyone that's serious, but if you want to play your insecure lack of class game with me, your wasting your time. your no match for me. i have no patience with people that play games. i just "flyswat" them and send them on their way.
you should crawl back under the rock you were hiding under previously. all i will do is embarrass you, by allowing you the ability to bloviate your way right out of relevancy.
check it before you wreck it bobby "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:57 PM:
laughing. like your steering your boat in the right direction. your "topic" has been lying about what i HAVE said in here. h5 billy
billy, go get a date or something. your reducing yourself to a babbling fool "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:50 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:49 AM:
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:28 AM:
you fetch everything I throw
you whine everytime I smack you
you like to lick yourself
you both have similar grammar ability
Billy likes to call you Reverend Fruitcake, which is very appropriate, but I believe I will call you Reverend Fido from now on.
C'mon boy, come and get! That's a good Fido.... "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:55 AM:
with your statement about grammar being a "qualification" before God, you just wiped out a HUGE portion of the human race as far as "eligibility" before God.
given YOUR line of thinking, God would refuse you for your being a lame-a-holic. what a dupe. lol
bob, it would be in your best interest not to play with me, as you obviously don't possess the mental talent to do it.
it would be better time spent with you helping your uncle validate his "credentials". now that is time investment. LOL
i see i am having a positive effect on your choices in life. you dropped the hussein/insane part of your handle "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:40 AM:
if i was "stumped", why would have i answered it multiple times in multiple blogs?
you have reached pathetic zenith.
find something constructive to do with your time, because your wasting yours in here. you can't change history as it relates to your heinous.
both you AND freddie mercury, are not "victims" "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:39 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:19 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:45 PM:
" What the Honorable Right Reverend Dr. Fruit Cake should do to defend the holy and divine word of Almighty God is tell us all which of the biblical commands are no longer valid. He had studiously avoided doing this.
There is much confusion among those of us with a... uhh... well, shall we say "less elastic" view of reality. New Christians can learn from the Reverend which of his god's laws are real and which are fake. The fake ones can, obviously, be ignored. I'm sure at the next printing, the bible will be edited and the worthless passages will be discarded.
So.
Which ones can the newly-minted God-Lover rip out of his bible, Reverend??? Is all of Voter's list trash now? It seems like only yesterday you said it was all still biblical law. Ooops, wait, I think that was actually TODAY - not yesterday! "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:35 AM:
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:33 AM:
billy, your playground fodder. your arrogant enough to think you can stump me.
frustrating as it is for you, you haven't moved truth 1 millimeter in two years (but your perversion has increased). congradulations.
and no, i don't make "friends" with God hating evil. "
real facts wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:28 AM:
wow, that's some impressive game you possess from which to defend your position in life.
what do you in your most desperate moment ever hope to gain by continually lying about something, and pretending it never happened?
i was thinking tonight while watching sports center, that barry bonds has disappeared off the planet. here is a guy, the disputed "greatest player to ever play the game", yet NO ONE will sign the guy. why? because he has reduced himself to a zero because he's a lying cheater. the court of public opinion wants nothing to do with him, because he's a liar. reminded me of what YOU have allowed yourself to become, while "trying" to justify your life. barry bonds lied day in and day out, and now he's a ZERO.....and so are you.
the parallels are astonishing, but discriptive of the end result of a man that continues to lie without conscience, sprinkled with arrogance.
you must love "zero status", as you do nothing to bail yourself out of that self designation "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:18 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:45 PM:
" What the Honorable Right Reverend Dr. Fruit Cake should do to defend the holy and divine word of Almighty God is tell us all which of the biblical commands are no longer valid. He had studiously avoided doing this.
There is much confusion among those of us with a... uhh... well, shall we say "less elastic" view of reality. New Christians can learn from the Reverend which of his god's laws are real and which are fake. The fake ones can, obviously, be ignored. I'm sure at the next printing, the bible will be edited and the worthless passages will be discarded.
So.
Which ones can the newly-minted God-Lover rip out of his bible, Reverend??? Is all of Voter's list trash now? It seems like only yesterday you said it was all still biblical law. Ooops, wait, I think that was actually TODAY - not yesterday! " "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:13 PM:
Reverend Fruit Cake wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:30 AM:"maybe we should devote our time and efforts into the daily assasination of atheists/gays.").
character assasination billy. get it right, or you can continue to lie about my motives/intent because your desperation demands it of you. makes no difference to me.
your-the-one-that's-imploding-now-via-your-perversion-over-taking-you.
lying that i "fantasize about having sex with my daughter".....it doesn't get any sicker than that.
thanks to you, no one will post now, because as soon as they come after me for being the "bad guy" in here, i will note how they said NOTHING about your sick perverted meanderings.
what's comical now is watching you insist YOUR the poster boy for all things right, fighting against hypocrisy and for "gay rights". (lol)
it doesn't get any more hypocritical than what you said and did, when you claim your the champion for what's right in this world. and a chamPION for gay rights. your kidding, right? you think your going to accomplish having homosexuality aknowledged as "normal", when your perversion finds true level?
laughing "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:00 PM:
your some chamPION all right. the poster boy for perversion acceptaBILLY-aty.
when you said on the other blog that "you fantasize about having sex with your daughter", even your staunchest supporters can't believe how far your perversion has sunk.
i-believe-it, because-i-knew-that's-who-you-were-all-along "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:33 PM:
Yes, extremists.
Reverend Fruit Cake wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:30 AM:"maybe we should devote our time and efforts into the daily assasination of atheists/gays." "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:27 PM:
" What the Honorable Right Reverend Dr. Fruit Cake should do to defend the holy and divine word of Almighty God is tell us all which of the biblical commands are no longer valid. He had studiously avoided doing this.
There is much confusion among those of us with a... uhh... well, shall we say "less elastic" view of reality. New Christians can learn from the Reverend which of his god's laws are real and which are fake. The fake ones can, obviously, be ignored. I'm sure at the next printing, the bible will be edited and the worthless passages will be discarded.
So.
Which ones can the newly-minted God-Lover rip out of his bible, Reverend??? Is all of Voter's list trash now? It seems like only yesterday you said it was all still biblical law. Ooops, wait, I think that was actually TODAY - not yesterday! " "
T & C wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:22 PM:
Let me guess! "We all were expected to not comment on this article right? Well, it seems that you felt "You had a right to comment in this blog, and no one has to like or agree with your comments, and the same goes for all of us who choose to comment, "Pro or con" on something"! Get over it! "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:52 PM:
----> "the newly-minted God-Lover" <-----
nice choice of words billy.
nah, your just a guy who only attacks "extremists". anybody that doesn't see your staright up hatred for all things Christian, looks right past it because THEY are phonies driven by agenda, and not by truth.
as to your most recent lying accusations below, i ALREADY laid it out in these blogs several blogs ago, and thanks to your blog clogging lies, i had to do it several times.
take a hike billy. all these things have already been explained, so you can lie to the hills they haven't.
your a cartoon pathetic example of desperation and futility. it's all you have left.
one thing you won't do, and i will repeat, is your STILL on the hook "God-wise" for your no conscience perversion heinous. i cannot imagine what awaits you in the next life for the damage you "try" in here.
but hey, it's your pathetic to waste.
go ahead. lie about me some more. it only solidifies who you ain't, and spotlights others who "ain't" as well "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:40 PM:
NOTHING you say is true. ").
the solution is simple. you will find out if i am when you die. only then, you won't be able to spit out ANY lies about the truths i did tell.
i know you wish recorded history didn't qualify my statements, but it does, and there isn't enough breath in your lungs to make it "untrue".
history. there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to alter it, no matter how much they wish it disappeared.
in two years billy, you haven't moved the truth of history 1 millimeter (obviously my current favorite mantra) "
OTH wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:44 PM:
Please accept my apology for the mess that's occuring below. You wrote a wonderful piece on Ramadan and what it means.
My guess is not once did you believe it would turn into this. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:45 PM:
There is much confusion among those of us with a... uhh... well, shall we say "less elastic" view of reality. New Christians can learn from the Reverend which of his god's laws are real and which are fake. The fake ones can, obviously, be ignored. I'm sure at the next printing, the bible will be edited and the worthless passages will be discarded.
So.
Which ones can the newly-minted God-Lover rip out of his bible, Reverend??? Is all of Voter's list trash now? It seems like only yesterday you said it was all still biblical law. Ooops, wait, I think that was actually TODAY - not yesterday! "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:26 PM:
But listen to me! Ha!
NOTHING you say is true. "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:16 PM:
metric and rhodie gave the REAL facts about voters "hit list".
there is nothing you can do to lie enough to explain away what the real facts are, as far as God taking his creation to task.
gee, i wonder where all the would be "claiming" Christians are when you attempt to assualt Gods word. you just slammed sam, lodian, leonard and nylodian. "they" must be fumin that you assasinated Gods character. not to worry billy, "they" are pretenders. if they weren't, "they" would defend Gods rightful "interpretation".
sad billy. your perversion/arrogance thinks you can change who God is, when for two years you haven't moved it 1 millimeter.
nope billy, i stand 100% by what i said about you. you are steeped in perversion without conscience, and someday if you don't repent before you die, you will see i accuretly replicated the truth about God not allowing mockery to go unanswered.
put a happy face on tho. from the looks of things in here, most likely you will have company. no high fiving will take place there. sorry "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:45 AM:
voter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:52 PM:
" God implores his followers to:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
(Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Kill Children who hit their fathers
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Kill children who curse their Parents
(Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Kill Adulterers
(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Kill Nonbelievers
(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)(Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Kill Blaspheers
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:28 AM:
and that's a good policy, but you are going to have to inform billy that your solidarity with him has fractured. he will be broken hearted at first, but then he will get over it, and begin the courting process with someone else.
my advice, break it to him s l o w l y.
his perversion is a little volatile these days. "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:22 AM:
here is a career tip for you bob.....don't attempt to bring a knife to a gun fight (metaphorically/intellectually speaking), and don't think for a minute that Christians can't put a person like you in your place (much like you are used to).
when you called it a "fairy tale", your game was already over before it even got started "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:16 AM:
it would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.
you have read these blogs, and YOU KNOW that us ACTUAL Christians (instead of the pretenders such as yourself) have made the differentiation of both extremists, and modern day stances between muslims and Christians.
what's entirely hypocritical of you nylodian, but in total keeping of your ongoing hypocrisy, is that you don't RUN to condemn past and present muslim attrocities, but instead it is STILL your consistent attack on Christians/Christianity.
once again, after YOU claiming your a "Christian", your rhetoric continues to prove you are not. your a "pretender".
here is where nylodian will continue her spin, on selling herself as a person with intellectual integrity.
go ahead and try nylodian. the hole you have dug for yourself is over your head "
Bob Loblaw wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:12 AM:
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:08 AM:
absolutely 100% NOT.
that's the whole reason i am in here, making sure your lies about God don't go unchallenged. given your agenda, you would turn "god" into some little personal concierge whereby YOU change the rules, and allow everyone the ability to write their own standards.
if it where left up to you, this world would slide right into hell at warp speed. after you so easily told me to "go sell your daughter into sexual slavery", THAT was a window into how deep seeded your perversion is. you "unchecked" is not fit for human consumption. no telling what you are into in your "private life".
but you lying about what scripture actually DOES say? nope. that's just another one of your perversionS. perverting everything that is pure....it's what you have become.
for the last two years, all you have ever done is lie about everything that ever comes your way.
good career choice "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:58 AM:
crime doesn't pay billy. even common sense tells a person you don't mock God, and "think" your going to get away with it.
YES, he DOES exact vengeance on those that mock HIM unchecked. you keep playing on the wrong side of the tracks billy, eventually "the conductor" will take you to task for it.
what in your most futile moment makes you think that God "never" takes his creation to task for purposefully misbehaving? only a complete fool thinks he "never does". only a complete fool thinks he can do whatever he wants, and say whatever he wants against God, and somehow come out of that unscathed.
here is a truth tid bit for you billy. in the two years of your daily onslaught heinous, you have not moved the truths of God about you 1 millimeter.
your-the-text-book-example-of-what-a-fool-looks-like. h5 "
nylodian wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:43 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:16 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:13 AM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 AM:
Voter: I find your responses amusing due to your unwarranted superior attitude towards me. Despite your silly and irrelevant protestations, the fact remains that YOU brought up the issue of homosexuality on here, not Real Facts (please see post of September 7). Why I am bringing this up? Because you slyly suggested that RealFacts is a closet homosexual due to the fact that he responded to an issue you brought up first. Maybe it is you that "think(s) of nothing but homosexuality"... . Indeed, as you previously stated, this may tell us quite a lot. "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:06 AM:
i will let you know should you move from "delusional" to "insane"
deal? "
real facts wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:03 AM:
so instead of taking my time to state the obvious, i opted for the more efficient, and demonstrated what a pathetic person you have become. anybody that has to lie and twist peoples words doesn't have a position.
it's really funny now to watch as desperation nation unfurls it's nasty flag.
remember billy, you can lie till your tongue splits, but you will never be able to pass your heinous onto me. it's yours to keep.
billy will get worse, before he ever gets better (if he ever does)
i guarantee it 548% "
Metric Time System wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:29 AM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:43 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:14 PM:
WY wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:34 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:34 PM:
i would have to beg out of that one.
no telling where billy has been, given his level of perversion, i am not about to inherit any of "it" via personal contact. NO THANKS
as far as "sparring" competitions go (verbally/intelligently speaking)....billy lost the first time it came across his mind to attempt to justify his choices before God and established humanity. THAT DAY he lost. the subsequent days after that, didn't have anything to do with me. he just keeps "inviting" me to remind him.
btw, isn't hussein and insane interchangeable, or do they just rhyme? "
real facts wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:23 PM:
dealing with these people is like watching one of those cop shows where they pull over the drunken driver and make em walk a straight line, watching as they stumble and fall all over themselves telling the cop they had nothing to drink "that night".
except for these integrity giants haven't been "drinking", if you catch my drift.
they will never stay on track, preferring to steer you all over the place. any place except for the un-biased non-agenda truth. saying anything they need to, to get themselves out of the "drunken driving" ticket of life.
telling the Gods honest truth isn't their forte. doing/saying everything they can to excuse themselves out of it, IS their modus heinous.
what fool thinks they won't stand before the judge while "drinking and driving"? answer ------> "they" do "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM:
Aimee wrote on Sep 14, 2008 2:37 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 14, 2008 12:40 PM:
a person steeped in perversion of many descriptions, sure isn't in the place in life whereby you can make even a ballpark assesment of whats OF God, or not.
only a person who actually gives a rip what God thinks could possibly replicate what IS accurate.
the only thing you can do is lie about it, in hopes it "disappears". (but it won't)
two years you have been at it, and you haven't even made a dent.
must be frustrating, eh billy?
two years later, your STILL a God-hating pervert. case closed "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:43 AM:
Rhodie, when the holy book in question, whether it be the bible or the koran, is followed to the letter, the followers are, by definition, acting in "God's" name and are being good and obedient disciples. Or are they not?
NOT to do so is to NOT be an obedient follower.
To willfully discredit and ignor certain parts of the "holy teaching" that the student disbelieves is blasphemy. We are continually told by a strong contingent on these blogs that the bible is a 100% proposition; it's all real, it is the work of Almighty God and it is not merely true, it is The Truth. You have said so yourself. To say otherwise is to say it is NOT true. Who are you to say those commands contained in the holy books are to be ignored? "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 13, 2008 11:31 PM:
But I do stand by my statement that just because they say they are acting in God's name or that they are Christian (or what ever religion) doesn't mean they are. I can't speak for other theologies but New Testiment law was very clear, Love you Neighbor as yourself. And not to strike back at someone who hurts you. Matthew 5:39.
AS for the Spanish inquisition, it is historical evidence of what happens when church and state become one. Political power and all that it contains can never be mixed with religious extremism. When it does the people are acting politically, not religiously. "
real facts wrote on Sep 13, 2008 11:10 PM:
your foolish mind thinketh and wisheth, but ahhhh nope, it will never happen.
while immorality HAS slipped in under the "front door", and it will make itself at home in the "basement", it will NEVER find it's rest in the "family room" of life. made that metaphor up all by meself. H5.
past history has never allowed it or recognized it as "normal", nor will it ever. while immorality will continue to gain a little more in the "acceptance dept", i have bad news for you billy....i already read the book that contains the exact "course" this world is going to go, and immorality DOESN'T have a future. at some point in the future, God is going to take matters into his own hands on the "enough is enough" scale.
sorry billy, your wasting your time "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:50 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 13, 2008 8:01 PM:
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:50 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:44 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:37 PM:
It is not a religious condition, it is a human condition. One that brings out the worst in humanity.
Oh, and I wanted to point out an inacuracy in your referance to Tim Mcvey. Being Born Catholic (or any religion) and asking for the last rights does not make you Catholic (or any religion). Case in point is my sister. She's been raised Catholic but in her adult years decided having children by multiple fathers, drugs, stealing and violence was a better lifestyle for her. She will probably ask for last rights when she's dying, but this does not make her Catholic. It is comparable to buying an expenisive purse from the back of a car in an alley. All your getting is the name but the product is fake. "
voter wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:51 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:21 PM:
Dinner time. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:12 PM:
" God implores his followers to:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
I don't realy have that much time right now but most of these quotes real meaning can be found by reading what is around them. As in this case. The passage doesn't say to kill anyone who doesn't listen to a priest. Well, okay, it does, but it is a fragment of the message. The passages leading up to Deuteronomy 17:12 are about dealing with uncertainty of what kind of assault there was, what kind of homicide there was, what kind of violence there was. The, according to the passages the people involved, witnesses and interested parties are suppose to go before a priest of judge and present the case. When the ruling is passed down then everyone should follow it. THEN, if an involved party refuses to accept the ruling of the judge or priest, the person is suppose to be put to death. Later versions of this law said to eject the person from the church community. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 13, 2008 9:47 AM:
Hmm... "in the entirety of FUTURE HISTORY..." eh? Well, while our collective minds boggle over your elastic view of time travel, I would remind you that humand kind has collectively opened its eyes incrementally and the ignorance of your generation will eventually be supplanted. Futureally Historocitially speaking. "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:31 PM:
Is that why you are continually telling me to leave, Reverend? Telling me that I'm not welcome? Are you revealing your weak position? ").
nope. taking out your trash is easy. what i was doing was being considerate, and giving you "career advice".
advising you that you can NEVER legitimize your behavior, both as a "God-hater" and a homosexual, so in that futility you might as well do what you want to do anyway. being in these blogs only takes away the time you could be "legitimizing" yourself.
being in here for you is pure dictionary futility.
according to you, there is no afterlife. so you should be spending your remaining moments doing whatever it is that you do, and not calling yourself a "victim" after you do it.
homosexuality will never be accepted in the entirety of future history, so your wasting your time in here.
i was thinking of your best interest "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:22 PM:
like i said in the other blog before you decided to bring your desperation over here, i NEVER have advocated violence against gays. EVER. in ANY form.
YOU LIED ABOUT ME, AND MY INTENT
even YOUR partners in crime in here knows your lying desperation has reached new heights.
like i said in the other blog, my greatest indicator of truth/victory over your heinous lies is the FACT that there is NO ONE to corrorberate your lies about me.
pretty funny. if i really held the position you lie about that i do, they would buddy up with you and pile on me.
you got NO ONE
what a loser you have become.
whooooohooooooo
now go find yourself multiple "dates", and claim once again your a "victim". "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:20 PM:
Is that why you are continually telling me to leave, Reverend? Telling me that I'm not welcome? Are you revealing your weak position? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:18 PM:
It would help his case if he were to first read the bible, then he would be in a better position to discuss its many features. This habit of his of writing his own scriptures to suit his needs of the moment serves no purpose. "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:15 PM:
another sign of a person with a weak position, is the attempt to silence their opponent.
your probably used to playing in the sandbox of life, with people who have never seen "monkey bars". you and billy should go find another playground. one where the participants have never ventured outside. in here, your trying to deal with "professionals". (lol) "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:07 PM:
" citizen, you are claiming that Christianity has evolved? I thought it was the same Bible. What did I miss? People are still killing and promoting hate against gays based on the word of God. It's not isolated. Check out the Westboro Baptist Church for the worst offenders").
aimme was right. checking back thru the history of this blog, YOU voter where the first one to mention the gay issue.
what a liar AND a hypocrite that you would call me out on it.
typical behavior from a person that attempts to "defend" their position. when all else fails, go ahead and lie, twist other peoples words, and blame it on everyone BUT themselves.
good luck trying to spin your lie now.
anyone that has to lie and twist other peoples words doesn't have a solid position to begin with.
what's your defense now voter??? "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 6:57 PM:
Violence against homosexuals was given as an example. Other examples given were the IRA, KKK, and neo nazis").
if your trying to reduce this debate to violence against homosexuals by people masquerading as "Christians", even then your agenda push falls miserably short.
since your so "resourceful", let's see how many time you can come up with specific examples of ACTUAL CRIMES against homosexuals by those claiming to be Christians. sporadic by "pretenders", while islams violence is widespread, and isn't straight up condemned by even the "peaceful" muslims.
"claiming", because even when a person claims to be, doesn't mean they truly are, which would explain ALL your examples above. the IRA, KKK, and neo nazi's are NOT Christians. they are pretenders using aspects of Christianity to justify their heinous.
you still haven't copped to the fact that historical modern day Christianity condemns any violence against anyone, while modern day islam still high fives it.
the day you actually tell the truth, even when it is oposite your agenda voter, i will probably drop dead of aherat attack.
there is your "incentive" "
voter wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:25 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:43 PM:
can you give "us" some examples ????
love, real facts "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:41 PM:
" Metric, are you asserting that God does not implore his followers to kill in the text I cited?").
i owned it, by providing a righteous explanation for HIM doing so in that time frame in history. i also noted that muslims want to take matters into their OWN hands, whereas Christian are to allow God to exact "vengence".
you keep trying to tie us to them, and you haven't made that distinction, so i will make it for you (since you do not have enough integrity to do it yourself)....
tell me voter within your wildly in-accurate statements/position, just how many "attrocities" have been purpetrated by Christians, and how many by muslims in modern times? please explain away the differences between the true agendas of Christians vs muslims. can you even cite a "pattern" of Christian attrocities? of course you can't, because your flawed position of idontwanttobelieve cannot allow you the liberty of telling the actual truth.
the difference between you and billy and "us", is that you two have to lie about history. all "we" have to do is replicate it "
real facts wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:25 PM:
still relying on atheist hate sights for your "information" so you can still justify your heinous? won't work. too much historocity on record for you to make the statement "Jesus Christ is only a myth". bad news huh?
we will start with one, and see if you can lie (refute) about it "never happened". archaeology 101 states rome was burned in 64a.d., and the Christians were reputed to be responsible. i dunno know if they were, because the EYEWITNESS account of it doesn't say for sure, just that the Christians were "suspected of it". an EYEWITESS accounting of an actual historical event from someone OPPOSED to Christianty, and COMPLETELY OUTSIDE the biblical record. if memory serves me correctly, i believe his name was tactitus (or something like that). for the archaeology aspect, rome DID burn in 64a.d. BAM. slam dunk billy. h5
in tactitus' account, he mentions Christians. how can their be "Christians" without Jesus Christ? why would "Christians" follow "Christ" unless he claimed to BE God?
refute-it-(lie-about-it),...then-i-will-give-you-more "
Aimee wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:11 AM:
ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Timothy 3:16)
Right on target, MTS. "
Aimee wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:56 AM:
and
Voter wrote September 11 @ 6:36: "Poor RF thinks of nothing but homosexuality. This tells us quite a lot..."
Hey voter, you brought up the subject of homosexuality on here, or did you forget that in your haste? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:07 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:04 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 11, 2008 3:42 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:26 AM:
i made the differentiation, and you begged out of that debate. you need to finish what YOU started.
let's see you link modern day Christianity and islam. if you want to go back in history and then come forward, fine with me.
do it voter
don't rely on billy rubin for help with what actually DID transpire in history. that guy said Jesus Christ "never existed", and that "Jesus Christ is only a myth" (laughing). that guy couldn't accurately replicate anything that happened two minutes ago, let alone down thru the annals of history. he can't help you, as the truths of history belong only to those who are actually interested in replicating it ACCURETLY "
Metric Time System wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:06 AM:
The Bible is clear, but some deny its truth because they do not like what it clearly says. The heart is deceitful. Self-deception is one of the most powerful tools Satan uses against us. "
Metric Time System wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:54 AM:
The Literal Principle
The Historical Principle
The Grammatical Principle
The Synthesis Principle
The Practical Principle
If anyone here is truly seeking Biblical understanding and knowledge, look thoroughly into these principles which all Scripture must pass through in order to rightfully understand their meaning. The task of Bible study is to discern the true meaning of Scripture, not the "what it means to me" method of reading. Sometimes it's quickly understood, sometimes it requires a closer look at the context.
Random Bible verses, pulled from various parts of the Bible, then linked together is no way to understand what the Bible clearly states. "
real facts wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:45 AM:
here we go again, the poster child for all things "untrue" trumps out another lie. two actually.
(1) you said KEEPING the sabbath was STILL mandatory, by "trying" to relate it to the levitical laws/shellfish/homosexual rediculousness you tried to pull. i busted you on it, by demonstrating why it ISN'T, and that homosexual sex is STILL immoral. now your high fiving yourself, claiming some lame victory about the sabbath/voter deal? you really are pathetic. the two sabbath issues aren't even in the same ballpark.
(2) you once again LIE that i "called you names". since you went ahead and lied that i did, what did i say? your version of me calling you names, probably translates into me telling the truth of who you are. for that, i am guilty as charged "
real facts wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:33 AM:
either way, no comment from you voter on the difference between "atrocity" and "Gods judgement" - of sin? why is that?
it's still on topic, as far as what is right/wrong about the judgements of God. what about it? "
voter wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:36 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:15 AM:
For someone who claims to know his subject matter, Reverend Fruit Cake seems painfully ignorant about the scriptures. I told him about the sabbath commandment a year ago and he called me what I thought were very un-Christian names (I've since learned that Christians routinely use those names to refer to others).
Today, it appears he just didn't want to admit I knew more about the bible than he did. LOL. Typical.
Hey, Reverend, have you ever READ the bible??? For all your purple-faced raging that everyone must live it, you never seem to know what the scriptures actually say.
Again, typical. "
real facts wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:16 PM:
you know, how he made the jump from homosexuality to extremists.
man up again voter and face the music. you were the one that put a quarter in the machine.
now that your flawed position is exposed, you refuse to "play" with us again? that's a surprise
i am not afraid to play against your "hit parade" of scripture references. you shouldn't be afraid of playing with someone who owns it, after YOU referenced it.
heck, i usually get ticked when no one else will jump in and defend Gods word. but this one, i don't mind a little "mano a mano" between me and you.
what do you say voter? "
real facts wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:35 PM:
come to think of it, you better be thankful God doesn't deal with you now, how he did "then".
anyway, homosexual sex is STILL sin, and against Gods design. it always has been in history, and it always will be. despite your lame attempt tie in to black people being "discriminated against" because of color, homosexual sex is immoral, and God has NEVER "changed his mind" about it.
this is where you twist everything i said, into some rediculous angle via your weak political coorectness.
God hates sin, we have established that. God deals with sin. we have established that. you need to establish there is nothing you can do to manufacture an excuse out of it.
i-know, you-are-used-to-"playing"-with-Christians-that-can't-handle-what-you-"manufacture". "
real facts wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:13 PM:
muslims do this NOW, while true Christians DO NOT. muslims DO NOT (by and large) condemn those kinds of acts, because they know the koran calls for it. whereas any true bible believing Christian IMMEDIATELY condemns ANY violence of any kind against anyone, because in this dispensation God prefers to wait until the time of ones death for that reckoning, and demands that those judgements are not carried out THRU us, as he has in the past. go ahead and twist that any way you think you can, but you can never get around what God thinks is righteous, and what you think is "fair".
when you die, you WON'T be standing in front of ....."you".
now if you think in your consistently flawed position based on an "idon'twantto", you cannot make a case against "us" outlining what IS sin and unacceptable TO God. that IS a Christian's job description. the-muslims-is-to-kill-those-who-don't-agree "
real facts wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:00 PM:
one thing you will notice, i have always owned the righteous judgement aspects of God, so you won't see me making excuses or "apologizing" for Gods decisions in these areas of life......over history. God doesn't put up with rebellion, so THANK YOU for underlining WHY i do what i do in here, when it comes to people like YOU, who are ONLY interested in the destruction of who God really is.
pure and simple, it's dispensational. God chose to deal with rebellion right away then, as opposed to his "patience" about it now. make no mistake voter, on your current path, YOU are headed for the same consequences someday, should you continue YOUR rebellion.
the current dispensations "tether" isn't long enough for you to act all brave about it, as the time of reckoning appears to be near.
don't believe me? watch america be judged by God in the near future, as it slides ever faster into immoral depravity without conscience.
since when does God have to be defended against for taking people like YOU to task?
i sure own it "
voter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:35 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:10 PM:
Evolution theology? Er, yeah.
If it were true the earth would be strewn with millions of years of remains, you say? You mean like dinosaur and mammoth fossils? "
voter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:53 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:52 PM:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
(Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Kill Children who hit their fathers
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Kill children who curse their Parents
(Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Kill Adulterers
(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Kill Nonbelievers
(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)(Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Kill Blaspheers
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Want more? "
voter wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:51 PM:
citizen wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:31 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:58 AM:
the truth about voter on this subject matter is he is a hit and run artist, spraying his accusations wildly all over the room without the necessity of qualification. he doesn't care if it's accurate or not, just as long as it does it's intended damage. you can always tell these people aren't "integrity giants", because they NEVER qualify their positions when pressed to do so. they just move on to the next exaggeration/lie.
don't believe me about voter? go back in the posts and look how many times he was asked by multiple posters to qualify his position. HE DIDN'T. he just moved right into the next lie without conscience.
voter, this blog is reserved for people telling the actual truth(s) of history. since you are never the least bit interested IN truth, your not wanted in here. go back to blogging about super wal-mart "
real facts wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:45 AM:
Don't you realize that the Bible exhorts believers to kill anyone who doesn't observe the sabbath, etc. ?????)".
where is your proof voter?
men of honor don't play your hit and run game, they qualify their statements when asked to do so.
where is it ???? "
T & C wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:45 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:44 AM:
I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, maim them in every limb. Q. 8:12
And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with It and do not break your oath; (Q. 38:44).
I have legitimate concerns about those who follow the teachings of Muhammad, especially after September 11th!".
Voter I am still waiting for all of the Quotes from the bible that teach christians to do all the things that the Qaran teaches muslims! I'm waiting...and waiting...and waiting! "
T & C wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:41 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:40 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:37 AM:
voter wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:22 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:19 PM:
No where did I state that THIS thread contained comments about killing Muslims. I said "on these boards." I've been posting here for a long time. On numerous occasions there have been comments suggesting that Muslims be wiped out, etc. It was fairly common here for awhile before posters were required to register. "
citizen wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:03 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:52 PM:
Many Christians on these boards have made comments that all Muslims should be wiped out. they feel that killing Iraqis is what God wants".
Please re-post from these below comments (which many christians" said to kill all muslims? "
voter wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:57 PM:
citizen wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:41 PM:
Metric Time System wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:58 AM:
The idea that one creature can evolve from another is illogical. Plants and animals can change within their species, but never morph into another species.
In a biblical perspective, creation is in complete alignment with science, because God gave us science as a way to reveal His creation to us. "
wudbridgGal wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:16 PM:
real facts wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:10 PM:
Don't you realize that the Bible exhorts believers to kill anyone who doesn't observe the sabbath, etc. ?????)".
what psychedelic drug are you on?
i can't wait to see you "expound" on this one.
voter, please allow me the priveledge of providing you a "career tip" about your eternal future.....apart from anything ANY Christian says or does, do you remotely think that if Christ really is who he claimed to be, that you "think" you will not be "reimbursed" for purposefully lying in order to "steal away" whatever/whoever HE is?
your a complete fool if you think your statements will go "unchecked".
this is the part will you will not see voter post again in this blog, or he will completely chicken out of the challenges i made to him to qualify his "claims".
do i apoloogize for being harsh to these people? not even. since "they" have zero conscience about lying, i have NO problem being stout in demonstrating against thier intended evil.
PROVE IT voter! "
real facts wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:00 PM:
OKAY voter, "HERE'S YOUR CHANCE"! Please show the QUOTES per chapter and verse that is EQUAL to what I have pointed out in the QUARAN?").
put up, or shut up voter.
for some reason now your following billy down into the God-less gutter he resides in, via your total wanton no conscience pick-and-choose mis-representation of Christianity.
now you have my ire. others in here might give you a free pass as you totally lie about the history of Christianity, but not me.
you won't be man enough to qualify your statements by posting the scriptures that YOU say that demonstrates your claims, whereby i can take you to task for the ACTUAL events and intent. a real man would stand and defend his position against ANYONE. what's your modus-rediculousness.....the hit and run lie.
did God slay his enemies? you better believe he did, and he has every right to deal with evil as he chooses.
show me ONE TIME where God "murdered" (your words) ANYONE for sport, or for a reason that wasn't righteous.
you won't ------> because you never can "
real facts wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:47 PM:
We've got a huge proportion of Christians thinking that the creation myth is actual science. This is not evolved").
i think if you actually ever replicate the real truth(s) of history, i will probably go blind after reading it?
i noticed you attempted to slip in the word "myth" voter. it's your underhanded attempt to mis-represent what actually happened in history.
the huge proportions of Christians thinking that creation is actual science, is a direct result of science corroberating the biblical account. the more scientific aspect of the biblical account that is investigated scientifically, the more it stands up to it.
i know you always run and hide from these challenges, so the only reason i am making one is to demonstrate to all the other readers you purposefully mis-represent the facts based on YOUR agenda, then you run away without qualifying, because you could really care less it it's accurate or not, so long as your agenda does it's damage.
so here goes.....anytime you wan't to see what SCIENCE corroberates, you let me know, and i will be more than happy to unravel your "scientific" position.
well voter? "
T C wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:36 PM:
Audi 5000 wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:42 PM:
The guest columnist implies the Koran guided Thomas Jefferson's life. He was not an Islamist and therefore, according to the Koran, an infidel. Why would the guest columnist extol the virtures of an infidel? What is are commands from the Koran to the Islamist concerning infidels? I think we all know. "
T & C wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:34 AM:
Metric Time System wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:03 AM:
I encourage the followers of Islam to study the life of Jesus, as revealed through the Bible, and discover who Jesus is, in Jesus' own words. "
voter wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:32 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:26 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:23 PM:
Here's a good list of violence for you. There's more in the Bible than in the Quran--although they are both pretty disgusting.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html
You can also get the short list of violent Bible verses here:
http://SkepticsAnnotatedBible.com/cruelty/short+.html "
citizen wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:07 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:51 PM:
" citizen, T & C, does Jesus approve of your hatred and ignorance? How stupid you both are. Don't you realize that the Bible exhorts believers to kill anyone who doesn't observe the sabbath, etc. ????? And those choice biblical passages where used to kill and torment people in the name of a Christian god for centuries".
OKAY voter, "HERE'S YOUR CHANCE"! Please show the QUOTES per chapter and verse that is EQUAL to what I have pointed out in the QUARAN?
It has NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE OR IGNORANCE!
It has to do with presenting "Both sides of the coin regarding the QURAN, nothing more!" T & C as well as citizen have done no wrong! Remember voter, you can trust me, because I am T & C! "
voter wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:39 AM:
citizen wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:52 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:39 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:38 PM:
"The difference, tho, is that select muslims, live out all of these verses, and that costs people their lives!" "
citizen wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:07 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:29 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:22 AM:
I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, maim them in every limb. Q. 8:12
And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with It and do not break your oath; (Q. 38:44).
I have legitimate concerns about those who follow the teachings of Muhammad, especially after September 11th! "
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:20 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:19 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:18 AM:
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