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Weighting the pros and cons
Lodi does not need a new Wal-Mart Supercenter
Well, it looks like Wal-Mart might be coming to Lodi with a Supercenter. What could be better?
At this one place you will likely be able to get your glasses, lube the car, put tires on the same car, get some new clothes, fill a prescription, buy some toys for the kids, print photos of the camping trip where you used the supplies from the Supercenter and buy groceries. This place will be so big that the green bananas that you put in your cart will be yellow and ripe at checkout. Heck, I bet some of you will be able to spend a whole day there and actually enjoy it.
Now before you start jumping on me for not going to a Supercenter or to Wal-Mart, you are wrong — I have been to a Supercenter — and I go to the local Wal-Mart when I need things that I know Wal-Mart will have. I found the Supercenter that I went to unbelievable. The selection and the crowd fascinated me.
My problem with the Supercenter is that everything you can get there, you can already get at other stores in Lodi.
From my perspective, the Supercenter will add nothing to Lodi except concentrated traffic, as supported by the California Highway Patrol, and very likely empty retail space in other parts of town. How can that be good?
I cannot understand how the Supercenter will add sales tax revenue to Lodi. What does the Supercenter bring to Lodi that we don't already have at the current Wal-Mart or at another store? Nothing. So, where is the gain? If you want to shop at Wal-Mart and get groceries, then take your cart and walk to Food 4 Less. You will have all that you want and you will get some exercise, too. If you need an oil change, go get one.
I am sure some of you will say that Wal-Mart will offer everything at lower prices. Great, but how does that help Lodi? If you pay less for a taxable item, Lodi actually gets less in sales tax dollars.
What about competition? I am all for it, but it needs to balanced with the costs to society and the public good. If the competition means that Big Kmart, Mervyns or tenants of the current Wal-Mart shopping center close, is that good? Is a lack of choice good? No way. What actually happens is very likely less competition and vacant retail space.
Now if you disagree with me so far, let's consider other towns. Bakersfield has a Supercenter and now they also have a vacant lot where the old Wal-Mart was. What about Stockton, Galt and Elk Grove? Why is it that Lodi cannot wait to have a Supercenter when other towns don't want them? Is Lodi smarter? Do you go to a restaurant after your friend told you the food was bad? I hope not.
Surely some of you will say that we voted for the Supercenter with Measure R in 2004. I'm sorry to say, but you didn't. Neither Wal-Mart nor the Supercenter were mentioned in Measure R. What Measure R would have done, had it passed, was limit the size of a retail store in Lodi to no more than 125,000 square feet. While Measure R would have stopped the planned Supercenter because the Supercenter is larger, it really had nothing to do with the Supercenter.
The Lodi Chamber of Commerce supports the Supercenter and wants people to look out 10 years about this decision because Lodi will need shopping choices. That sounds great. See your future, be your future. I am sure Lodi will need more shopping options in 10 years but is a Wal-Mart Supercenter the future that the Chamber of Commerce wants for Lodi? I hope not.
John Johnson, CFA is a Lodi-based business appraiser. You can reach Mr. Johnson at john@johnejohnson.com or at 369-1451.
Reader Feedback
TAnDC wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:25 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:16 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:14 AM:
Observer wrote on Sep 11, 2008 3:57 PM:
SportsGuru wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:39 PM:
LODIAN, I can't get fresh vegetables at the WalMart store .. I need the SUPERCENTER for that! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:38 PM:
SportsGuru wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:09 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:02 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:59 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:57 PM:
" Lodian wrote:Zin: What has been your experience that leads you to this opinion? "
Growing up in Lodi in my time, you learned at an early age you were acceptable If you fit certain standards. The right ethic group (Dakota German), the right religion (Lutheran), social economic standards (old family money). "
Zin: I don't into any of those categories yet I felt/feel accepted in Lodi just fine. A lot of times people that do not feel accepted might need to look at themselves. They may be excluding themselves. "
sam wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:01 PM:
I disagree. I remember Lovable Lodi. i remember buying groceries and forgetting my check book. I was asked to just drop the check by next time I was in town. OMG, that is so loveable.
I remember a girl in town needed a heart-lung transplant and so many people helped me put on a great find raiser to fund the surgery.
I could go on. I love Lodi. "
Zinfandel wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:32 PM:
Growing up in Lodi in my time, you learned at an early age you were acceptable If you fit certain standards. The right ethic group (Dakota German), the right religion (Lutheran), social economic standards (old family money). "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:28 PM:
Rhodie: The new SWM is not what Lodi has been about nor what made it the nice little town your wife was drawn to. SWM is part of what will change Lodi to something we do not enjoy as much anymore. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:21 PM:
Zin: What has been your experience that leads you to this opinion? "
T & C wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:42 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:45 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:42 PM:
When we were looking on where we wanted to live we found three places we liked, two gated communities and Lodi. When we talked it over with a few contacts we have here from Lodi and Stockton they all said the samething in different words about Lodi. It's small town, cliquish and thinks it's better than anywhere else around here. But Wify liked the "feel" of Lodi (and is looking forward to the new Walmart). "
zinfandel wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:33 PM:
" Zin: All my life. And Lodi has changed. The last several years have not brought the best of changes and now it looks like it's going to get a lot worse. I grew up here, obviously, and Lodi used to be a lot more lovable and livable. "
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. Lodi is and always has been a very snobbish and cliquish town! I don't see anything loveable about that! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:22 PM:
Zinfandel wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:56 PM:
How long have you lived in Lodi? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:36 PM:
Zinfandel wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:28 PM:
Zin: Yep, from one Irish a$$ to another (LOL!) we are losing that livable lovable feel and fast. Can it be helped? Stopped? Changed? Avoided?? "
Are you kidding me? Lodi has never had the "lovable feel" that you are taiking about.
Perhaps if you drink enough zinfandel wine and squint your eyes, perhaps you might be able to convience yourself and then your Irish a$$ might get that feeling! LOL "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:54 AM:
Yeah right, Livable lovable Lodi, my Irish a$$!!!"
Zin: Yep, from one Irish a$$ to another (LOL!) we are losing that livable lovable feel and fast. Can it be helped? Stopped? Changed? Avoided?? "
Zinfandel wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:16 AM:
Yeah right, Livable lovable Lodi, my Irish a$$!!! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:46 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:43 AM:
-degrading visual,aesthetic character of our community.-Opinion based on bias.
***Opinion? Perhaps...but Lodians have enjoyed this small town charm of livable lovable Lodi and most would like to keep that small town charm even in growth. We don't have to grow ugly and dumpy. We can grow healthy, beautiful and with character.
-weakens sense of community.-Subjective
***SWM's are not known to promote a sense of community in aesthetics, design,connection-or-attitude.
-negative impact on our quality of life in our charming livable lovable Lodi - Subjective
***Has Lodi not tried to hold onto that small town charm. Lodi has promoted this to visitors in hopes they will come on out to enjoy this little town, wine and all it's charms. A SWM just doesn't fit the bill in those terms. As a Lodian myself, I don't see a SWM as charming. Do you?
-a huge inbalance created by a new Super Wal-Mart with desires to monopolize.-Paranoia.
***From what I understand, these WM/SWM's are swallowing up towns all across the US. They drive local business out and WM/SWM starts to become the only gig in town. I want choice/variety, not-a-monopoly-where-I-then-have-drive-out-of-town-just-to-NOT-go-to-a-Wal-Mart. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:18 AM:
-crime - growth brings crime
***Unhealthy, unwise, hasty growth brings more crime
-traffic - growth brings traffic
***Unhealthy growth, like this SWM, will bring too much too soon. Something we can't handle.
-large vacated empty stores left behind
***Yes, empty buildings left across the entire
-poorly maintained oversized monstrosity (dump) - they will get filled.
***How do you figure? Across the country there are hundreds of just Wal-Marts alone that have been left empty in the wake of the new SWM. This does not include the other stores that SWM puts out of business, leaving even more empty buildings. This is a real problem.
-excessive need of services (police, fire, infrastructure etc) growth pays for it in taxes and fees, and fire.. come on.
***No, these needs can be in excess.
-RV park allowed in parking lot (a peeve) - They park everywhere.
***We should not have an RV park service for overnighters in a store parking lot.
continued... "
Scrutiny wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:34 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:11 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:05 PM:
-crime - growth brings crime
-traffic - growth brings traffic
-large vacated empty stores left behind
-poorly maintained oversized monstrosity (dump) - they will get filled.
-excessive need of services (police, fire, infrastructure etc) growth pays for it in taxes and fees, and fire.. come on.
-RV park allowed in parking lot (a peeve) - They park everywhere.
-degrading visual, aesthetic character of our community. Opinion based on bias.
-weakens sense of community. Subjective
-negative impact on our quality of life in our charming livable lovable Lodi - Subjective
-a huge inbalance created by a new Super Wal-Mart with desires to monopolize " Paranoia. "
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:00 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:00 PM:
-crime
-traffic
-large vacated empty stores left behind
-poorly maintained oversized monstrosity (dump)
-excessive need of services (police, fire, infrastructure etc)
-RV park allowed in parking lot (a peeve)
-degrading visual, aesthetic character of our community.
-weakens sense of community
-negative impact on our quality of life in our charming livable lovable Lodi
-a huge inbalance created by a new Super Wal-Mart with desires to monopolize "
T & C wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:31 PM:
degrading visual, aesthetic character of our community.
As for Quality of life, as a disabled veteran, I have a higher quality of life because the quality products I buy at Wal-Mart are less expensive then at Pennys, Target or K-Mart! Prices will always be lowered at some point at Wal-Mart, and saves customers even more! Your Quality of life excuse falls flat.
OH NO! Lodian uses the EVIL WORD "monopolize"! Guess what readers? Safeway, Raleys, and Food 4 Less have a monopoly over the cost of groceries and have been fighting tooth & Nail to keep Super Wal-Mart out of Lodi! WHY? Because they have a monopoly on groceries, vegetables and fruit prices! Super Wal-Mart will bring to Lodi, "Fair prices for similar products, and each consumer can have a "CHOICE" as to whether to shop at Super wal-mart or high priced UNION Grocery stores! Yor Monopoly excuse just "Back fired on you Lodian!"
T & C 10 points... Lodian "0"! End of story! "
T & C wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:23 PM:
"The undesirables I refer to that come along with a Super-Wal-Mart are...
-crime
-traffic
-large vacated empty stores left behind
-poorly maintained oversized monstrosity (dump)
-excessive need of services (police, fire, infrastructure etc)
-RV park allowed in parking lot (a peeve)
-degrading visual, aesthetic character of our community.
-weakens sense of community
-negative impact on our quality of life in our charming livable lovable Lodi
-a huge inbalance created by a new Super Wal-Mart with desires to monopolize."
Lodian, I think the "HEAT " has finally gotten to you!
Crime occurs at ALL retail stores! I have seen police at Target, safeway and Pennys so, your excuse is flat! Target and safeway have high traffic as well!
If the old store is re-leased, or torn down, new retail shops will sprout! Again your excuse is flat!
Geeze, Give RV's a break! where are they to park and shop? At safeway? Give it a rest!
Defrading visual? Lord have mercy on your soul! Do you think the recycling space at Safeway is aesthetic? sorry, another excuse is flat! "
T & C wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:13 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:08 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:06 PM:
"We get to debate and hash this out".
THERE IS NO DEBATE! The citizens of Lodi approved the new super wal-mart, END OF STORY! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:42 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:09 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:52 PM:
It'll bite back. ;-) "
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:49 PM:
I don't want to see Lodi sucked into this vacuum. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:49 PM:
-crime
-traffic
-large vacated empty stores left behind
-poorly maintained oversized monstrosity (dump)
-excessive need of services (police, fire, infrastructure etc)
-RV park allowed in parking lot (a peeve)
-degrading visual, aesthetic character of our community.
-weakens sense of community
-negative impact on our quality of life in our charming livable lovable Lodi
-a huge inbalance created by a new Super Wal-Mart with desires to monopolize
Here's an interesting note...
"If Wal-Mart grows in the next eight years as it has in the previous eight,it will control 100% of general merchandise sales in the United States; if it grows in the next 16 years as it has in the previous 16 years, it will control all of the non-auto retailing volume in the United States; if the same growth pattern for the next 24 years is like the previous 24 years, Wal-Mart will control all of the county's Gross Domestic Product."
-sprawlbusters.com
continued... "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:17 PM:
Do you think they bought them at Wal-mart or Target? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:01 PM:
falcon: I'll answer your question, just don't crap on my head. "
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:20 AM:
Lodian, my statement about people from Stockton was a description of the attitude that anti-Wal-Mart people have. Not a description of my attitude. Try and mask it all you want, but your words talking about "not welcoming undesirables into our town" confirms and illustrates my point.
Now lets talk about the bar! Lodian, you say "lets raise the bar." The graceful falcon that soars above is granting Lodian magic powers..Who would you place there, that provides the same goods, services, and prices that Super Wal-Mart, but only better? Falcon is waiting while soaring above... "
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:02 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:53 AM:
falcon: Wrong again oh feathered one. To the contrary, I think shoppers deserve better than what is being proposed for our town. Lodians that enjoy the current Wal-Mart and care about their hometown deserve to be respected enough by any business to not only be offered quality products all around, but should also be delivered a clean, well kept and safe shopping experience. A store that will deliver these things as well as not cost us more than it should in city services. You see, I actually want more for Lodians, not just settle for what the Super Wal-Mart wants to dump on this town. Raise the bar, falcon. Maybe you can't see the real Super Wal-Mart for the trees from which you claim to soar. Get down here with the real people and see what is really going on. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:41 AM:
falcon: You wrote the offensive remarks. Now own them. I wasn't the only one here that caught you. "
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:38 AM:
Further conformation of the mighty Falcon's assertion. Who are undesirables lodian, and what town are you referring?
FALCON FALCON FALCON. The falcon soars above with its discerning eye, ready to pounce on the anti freedom vermin and eat their brains out with his powerful beak! Good night it is getting late. Thanks lodian for the therapy. Blood pressure down now. I know that you want what you think is best for Lodi. "
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:30 AM:
The whole eyesore, monstrosity argument is about what people Wal-Mart brings, not about what the concrete box building looks like. They all look about the same. It is about the people. There are 3 monstrosity big box stores with parking lots on the other 3 corners. Lodian, your eyesore argument just confirmed your prejudice against the people that shop at Wal-Mart and my earlier assertion. How your weak argument so easily confirms, that you are the one that is truly prejudice against "people that shop at Wal-Mart." People that you want to deny the choice to. Then you want to turn it around and accuse me of exactly what it is that you yourself are guilty of. Prejudice against the people that shop at Wal-Mart. "
falcon wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:01 AM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:51 PM:
I do not hold that attitude about Stockton people, the arrogant anti-Wal-Mart people do. Quit trying to turn around the truth about exactly what these snobs believe and what I believe. I am not the one that wants to deny people another choice when shopping. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:36 PM:
http://www.sprawl-busters.com/search.php?SRCHstory=lodi%2C+ca "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:19 PM:
WAL-MART LOSES IN COURT (Turlock, CA)
"The court maintained the long-held position that cities and towns have a legitimate public purpose in regulating the size of projects within their borders. Because big box stores bring with them adverse impacts like traffic, crime, and environmental degradation, cities and towns can pass limits to protect the health, safety and welfare of local residents. It is convoluted to argue that a Wal-Mart bringing in 8,000 new car trips a day, is good for the environment---but the courts did not buy it. This court case confirms once again that size capseven narrowly writtenare legitimate uses of the zoning code, and whatever impact such codes have on competition is not the issue. If a public purpose, such as protecting the character and plan of development of a community is at stake, a community can adopt a code to prevent such adverse impacts, and even a company as litigious as Wal-Mart cannot trample on those local police powers."
-- http://www.sprawl-busters.com/search.php?readstory=2318 "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:10 PM:
falcon: Oh, really?
falcon wrote: "If they are missing teeth, you can tell them to go back to Stockton."
Oh, sure, falcon. Tell us more about how you feel regarding Stockton residents. You are now backpedaling now just because you got caught. Sad. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:04 PM:
T & C: No, we did not vote for a Super Wal-Mart store.
Lodi has a responsibility to grow healthy and all offerings presented will not be healthy for Lodi. We are not obligated to welcome undesirables into our town, and then take care of them as well! Nope, you are wrong. Lodi has a responsibility to its citizens to be careful, responsible and wise in planning and in business. It needs to be what is best for livable lovable Lodi, not just what you desire for yourself personally. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:56 PM:
" So, let me get this straight, lodian wants the citizens of Lodi to vote to approve or deny a legal business (that is already here) the opportunity to move to another location in Lodi."
Don't be dim. You know all too well that a Super Wal-Mart is a completely different animal than our current Wal-Mart store. Maybe you need to catch up a little more. If the store was exactly the same there would not have been a vote put forth to the citizens of Lodi. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:52 PM:
falcon: If you can't see the problem with what you wrote here then I am afraid I can't help you. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:48 PM:
" Stating that the comparison of Lodi to Stockton is like comparing apples to oranges seems odd; if Lodi attempts to have a Super WalMart (like Stockton), lots of new home subdivisions (like Stockton), extended city boundaries (like Stockton), and other urban/suburban amenities (like Stockton), then it appears we are comparing apples to apples... "
Well said, classof72. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:47 PM:
Poor, T & C. Always trying to figure it all out. I am no more a whiner than you. It's always funny when someone calls another a name that they should hold themselves. It's interesting that you'd like me to stop "whining" (as you say) and let whatever happen here in Lodi just happen. Yet, aren't you the one whining, I mean complaining and pointing out, that Wal-Mart should be allowed to build in Lodi? There's two sides to an issue (sometimes more) and YOU are not the only one that gets to be heard. Sorry pal. It looks like you think it's okay to voice your opinion and feel all others should just shut it down. Hmmm, that's not the way it works here in America. We get to debate and hash this out. You can call the opposing view to your stand on this issue a "whine" all you like. I can do the same. Thank GOD we live in America! "
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:32 PM:
"Do we really want Stockton people shopping in Lodi" is another argument by the arrogant. I have heard it. This is not how I think. "
mikemcm wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:22 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:18 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:16 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:15 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:12 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:15 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:03 PM:
??????? How in the hell did you come up with that? Can you explain how you derived this? Are you reading the same blog? Do you have me confused with someone else? Please connect the dots for me. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:07 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:04 PM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:43 AM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:42 AM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:34 AM:
Fortunately you do not speak for everyone. The free market speaks for everyone. The free market should speak for everyone. Your conclusion that "There is no benefit to it and it will only cost us money and headaches" is myopic. Once again, you are speaking for others. There obviously is a benefit to it and that is why people shop there. It saves people money and therefore reduces financial headaches.
It allows people with less money to have the same things as people with more money. The products are not all crap as you suggest either. Many of their products are the same products that are on the shelves of other stores. TV's Computers, Cameras, Batteries. Blanket condemnation of Wal-Mart products is intellectually dishonest. "
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:22 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:32 AM:
T & C: No, it's nasty thieving bloggers with no character that is annoying. Oh, might that be you? LOL! Geez, give the lies a rest. If you have to lie about a darned blog name then you sure as hell will lie about the bigger issues, so go ahead and continue on as we all know the score with you, "L". "
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:28 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:25 AM:
Falcon: Would the store then be cleaner (not a dump), better staffed with helpful/knowledgeable employees, more quality products and groceries that aren't science projects by the time you get them home? Hmmm, maybe union is not so bad. Personally, I just don't want this dumpy monstrosity in Lodi. There is no benefit to it and it will only cost us money and headaches... and it's a big fat eyesore too. If you can make all the bad stuff go away with a union then that's fine. If you can make all the bad stuff go away without a union then that's fine. Just make the bad stuff go away...far far away from Lodi. "
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:00 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:56 AM:
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:32 AM:
Unfair. "
falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:19 AM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:31 PM:
Observer wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:13 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:09 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:00 PM:
Observer wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:09 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:53 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:36 PM:
T & C: Oh sure, you are so innocent. NOT! Stop lying. You know good and well that your stolen blog name was that of another for a very VERY long time. The day came along when we could all log in with registered blog names and you swooped in and snatched that name of another poster named, T & C. It's not like that name is common, ya know, like "LODIAN" or something. Stop the lies. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:31 PM:
"You shop where you want, and I will shop where I want and let the Super Wal-Mart come to Lodi!" I will be happy, you will be happy and its a Win-Win situation? How about it? "
T & C: Nope, won't cut it. You still get above and beyond what you want and we in turn must suffer this dumpy monstrosity that is the Super Wal-Mart. We also have the pay the price for this thing.
How about this... You shop at the Wal-Mart that is already here in Lodi for your Wal-Mart loving pleasure and the rest of us can continue to shop at our favorite stores. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:27 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:11 PM:
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:07 PM:
" Rhodie: Here's one for your mental notes... "T & C" is the blog name thief that stole a long time blogger's handle in retaliation as he never agrees with the original T & C. (notice the spaces between the letters)!
Here's a NEWS Flash Lodian:
When LNS switched to a user name registration format, anyone could choose a user name, ANYONE! There was no theft, no crime! I simply chose a user log-in name, just as you and every other blogger did when they registered! I hold no grudge against tc, T&C, TandC, patton1, edumacation or any other blog name he chooses! I have the right to disagree with anyone in a forum as long as I explain the basis for my disagreement, or agreement! It seems to me it is he, not I that is throwing the temper tantrum over his failure to register T & C, before me. "You snooze, you lose! He will in time Lodian, "Get over it"! "
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:02 PM:
How about this idea fellowBloggers:
"You shop where you want, and I will shop where I want and let the Super Wal-Mart come to Lodi!" I will be happy, you will be happy and its a Win-Win situation? How about it? "
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:59 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:24 PM:
I agree with the Target for the Milk and yogurt things. Their drinks and lunch snacks are a better price than where I've found else where as well. When we're runnign low I'll plan a bike ride down there or swing by after a couple other stops.
Saide note sort of related. Can't wait for it to cool down so I don't sweat so much riding around town. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:15 AM:
It's just one big soap opera around here. LOL! "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:11 AM:
T & C wrote "Readers please do not follow Lodian's advice and shop at TARGET! "Target has no Grocery & Produce section"!"
You may certainly shop at Target for whatever the Wal-Mart across the street offers. Target has a small grocery area, if that's what you are after. It does make it easy to pick up a gal of milk, cereal, butter and bread when in for a quick stop. I find Target's prices to be better as well. My personal choice.
It's a matter of opinion regarding meat and produce at a grocery store. Some expect-higher-quality-in-their-food.
It is widely known that Super Wal-Mart ends up being a dump. I don't want a dump, like a Super Wal-Mart, in Lodi. I tend to have higher standards for what I'd like to see join us in our livable lovable town. If you want to lower your standards, and I think the food you put in your mouth should be at the top of your standards list, then by all means go shop for crap. Just don't ask Lodians to pay for it and deal with-the-monstrosity-in-our-nice-town. "
Rhodie wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:57 AM:
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:14 AM:
I am against you making a notebook to track everyone's comments! Why? T&C, tc, TC, TandC, patton1, edmacation and all his other blog names would drive you crazy, lol! Plus, it would make it look like you had "Way" too much time on your hands. Stick with what you are doing, Have a great friday! "
T & C wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:10 AM:
Sorry but its just one more "SCARE TACTIC presented in this forum! Here is the bottom line in a nutshell, so "Please read carefully"!
Those who want to pay higher prices for groceries, please shop anywhere but Super Wal-Mart! Those who want good quality, decent prices, please shop at Super Wal-Mart! There isn't any grocery store that doesn't have a vegetable employee, who inspects their produce to ensure that "Wilting" fruits and Veggies are removed! If all the "WHINERS" against Wal-Mart would simply boycott Wal-Mart and let the rest of us save money and enjoy quality produce, EVERYONE would be happy! As for the "Bad produce you supposedly bought, Lodian, all I can say is this:
Readers please do not follow Lodian's advice and shop at TARGET! "Target has no Grocery & Produce section"! "
classof72 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:46 AM: