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Democrats simply don't 'get it'
There is one undeniable fact that keeps Democrats out of the White House; it has been right in front of them for as long as I care to remember.
Even Republicans, at their own peril, have tried to "teach" what seems to me now to be un-teachable Democrats this incredibly valuable lesson to no avail. And in this regard, I don't "get it."
Since FDR, how many Democrat Presidents have been asked to hang around for a second term? One — Bill Clinton. (Truman doesn't count as he was only elected President once.) Yet, the real question is how many Democrat Presidential elections were lost when the circumstances surrounding those elections should have been a cake-walk for them?
In 1968, Republican President Nixon promised to get us out of Vietnam. By the election of 1972 he had kept that promise — by moving us into Cambodia. This was a very contentious issue during that time. Additionally, Watergate had been clearly exposed prior to that election; yet the chants of "four more years" was more acceptable to the voters than "two-four-six-eight, we don't want your Watergate!"
Fast-forward to 2000 — On the heels of such a successful Clinton presidency, how could Gore have been bested by "W" who was characterized as an idiot even then? Dimpled, hanging or any other type of "chad" should have never entered our national lexicon had the election proceeded as all believed it should have. What happened?
2004 — Here we have a new war, the genesis of which was already then shrouded by suspicions of illegalities, lies and other sordid "high crimes and misdemeanors" perpetrated by the sitting President and those under his authority. Why did Kerry lose?
2008 — In spite of desperately attempting to link McCain to Bush insofar as policies are concerned, Obama is not enjoying what should easily be a presidential election campaign of historic proportions. A Republican president sitting on the lowest polling numbers in the history of statistics has resulted in a race that is becoming more and more in doubt for Obama. Why?
So, why have these things happened to Democrat contenders? The answer is simple — "Liberalism" doesn't work. Now, that is something the voters do "get."
Jerome Kinderman
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voter wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:51 AM:
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:58 PM:
voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:16 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:43 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:39 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:36 PM:
Brian wrote "Lodian, only you would think it's beyond odd to want to know about our next VP."
Brian: Nope, you are not going to wiggle your way out of this one. Your stupid comment about knowing what McCain knew about Pail before making his selection was classic. You make these comments as if you KNOW the man. You don't KNOW the man, Brian. You have no idea what McCain did or did not KNOW of his running mate. So stop with all the big shot attitude and try to be human for once. No one here thinks you are secret service, CIA or FBI etc....so stop trying to fake us out. You just make yourself look dopey. (again)
Did you check on the baby? :-) "
Lodian, Evidently in your world you don't want to get to know as much about a person that you may be hiring for a job is not that important to you.
You're sly little smear on McCain is not unlike what the liberal media is attempting to do. Do you have some proof that McCain didn't have Palin investigated before he made his decision? Cont. "
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:29 PM:
" Leonard Wrote:
Given McCain's selection of Palin, he must have changed his mind about the importance of experience.
-Quite the contrary. McCain was very aware of her experiences in government that would complement his.
Lodian, I don't see anything in what I said that I was reading McCain's mind.
I can see what Lodi Resident is saying.
You do have trouble following along. You also have a knack of distoring what someone else has said. Have you taken your lithium today? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:24 PM:
scout wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:47 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:59 AM:
Brian: Nope, you are not going to wiggle your way out of this one. Your stupid comment about knowing what McCain knew about Pail before making his selection was classic. You make these comments as if you KNOW the man. You don't KNOW the man, Brian. You have no idea what McCain did or did not KNOW of his running mate. So stop with all the big shot attitude and try to be human for once. No one here thinks you are secret service, CIA or FBI etc....so stop trying to fake us out. You just make yourself look dopey. (again)
Did you check on the baby? :-) "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:53 AM:
Oh, Brian. Go check on the baby. Have the poopoo fumes gotten to you already today? :-) "
Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:49 AM:
Wow! There's one for the character of the year award. Geez, Brian, do you ever really think before you post this crap? Maybe I should I call you Lodi Resident? Hmmm? "
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:23 AM:
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:21 AM:
Lodian, only you would think it's beyond odd to want to know about our next VP. There is a wealth of information on her that shows her qualifications to be VP. The liberal media is doing everything it can to make sure people get the impression she is not qualified. How little do they know that there are other sources other than the MSM to do research on Palin. "
Lodi Resident wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:56 AM:
All Lodian does is hang out on the blogs. True discussion with Lodian is impossible. You will never get a direct answer to any questions. LR "
Lodi Resident wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:52 AM:
Sorry I forgot to stop by in August. Glad to see you are still wasting all of your time blogging. Your goal for September?...find some friends and step away from the computer.
Talk to you in October.
LR "
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:50 AM:
I wonder if this is part of what they do during their secret sexual encounters. "
Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:43 AM:
" It's so easy to get Brian riled up. Ya wanna cuss me out now, Brian? Geez, grow up. LOL! "
Lodian, I can't help but get riled up when you or voter appear. Neither of you ever have anything intelligent to contribute to these blogs. You give Leonard a pass all the time. As I have said before, I can hear the smooching
from all the butt kissing from here in AZ. "
voter wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:14 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:48 PM:
Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 5:36 PM:
" Brian wrote "how many bits have you chomped through because you're jealous of McCain/Palin?"
Brian: That's a really weird thing to say. Why would anyone come up with "jealous" when addressing someone that may not agree with their politics? That's just strange, but look who I am talking to. Brian you are one weird person.
Now, listen up... you have no clue whatsoever what McCain did or did not know about his selected running mate, Palin. I think it's beyond odd that you feel that you know these things. "
Lodian, How do YOU know I have no clue about McCain and his runnning mate?
Do you work for the CIA, the FBI, or the secret service?
Go back to your crosswords. D@psh&t "
Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 5:05 PM:
Brian: That's a really weird thing to say. Why would anyone come up with "jealous" when addressing someone that may not agree with their politics? That's just strange, but look who I am talking to. Brian you are one weird person.
Now, listen up... you have no clue whatsoever what McCain did or did not know about his selected running mate, Palin. I think it's beyond odd that you feel that you know these things. "
Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:51 PM:
I knew I would eventually need what I read from this book. Too bad I wasted it on someone like Lodian. "
Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:48 PM:
Lodian, one does not have to be any of these to speculate what McCain was thinking when he chose Palin. In any event, how many bits have you chomped through because you're jealous of McCain/Palin? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:33 AM:
So you say, Brian. Are you a secret service guy now too? FBI? Even a PI for McCain? "
Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:31 AM:
Wow!
LOL! "
Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:44 AM:
Given McCain's selection of Palin, he must have changed his mind about the importance of experience.
-Quite the contrary. McCain was very aware of her experiences in government that would complement his.
Leonard, keep up the idiotic approaches to Palin and I will counter them with unidiotic approaches. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:47 PM:
SportGuru: There's a lot of time to get to know more about Palin. "
Lodian wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:45 PM:
SportsGuru: What makes you think you will hear Obama talk about Palin's lack of experience? "
Leonard wrote on Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM:
" .
I think it will be COMICAL to watch Obama talk about how little experience Palin has....the pot calling the kettle black.
What is even more funny is to go back and watch the tape of McCain attacking Obama, month after month about Obama's lack of experience.
Given McCain's selection of Palin, he must have changed his mind about the importance of experience.
Either that or he was just plain lying all that time. This is a guy who carried out an extramarital affair for 16 months before his wife found out. He must be pretty good at lying. "
SportsGuru wrote on Sep 3, 2008 3:42 PM:
I think it will be COMICAL to watch Obama talk about how little experience Palin has....the pot calling the kettle black.
And I think WTF is right..Palin isn't attractive to Hillary females. Her voice isn't shrill enough!!! "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:22 AM:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html "
OTH wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:02 PM:
TandC wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:59 PM:
That picture of Arnold looked like he tripled up on his pain meds, too. That's funny! "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:55 PM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5J98Rnft9s "
voter wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:51 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:10 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:06 PM:
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:58 PM:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/0392/92376 "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:52 PM:
Hey, sam! Maybe I got my projections about McCain dropping out a little off; it could be, in hind sight, that the GOP will look back and see that McCain ***should have*** dropped out in June/July. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:30 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:29 PM:
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:27 PM:
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:23 PM:
Acampo_Mom I've read information on what you mention and the credit card thing - given what our congresscritters are up to regarding credit cards - really got me. I, too, was in the Marines; but this was 30 years ago.
Regarding McCain choosing Palin, I found this item of interest:
"Back in February, on Super Tuesday, MTV News Street Teamer Dani Carlson did a Flixwagon interview with Alaska Governor and now presumptive Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who had some interesting things to say about energy policy and the party machinery.
"In this interview, Palin calls controversial Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul cool. Hes a good guy, she added. Hes so independent. Hes independent of the party machine. Im like, Right on, so am I.
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-republican-vice-presidential-nominee-plugs-romney-paul-but-not-mccain-in-mtv-interview
But it seems Ms. Palin is singing a different tune now. ;) "
TandC wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:20 PM:
TandC wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:16 PM:
Just how long do you think it'd take them to come and TAKE your house and property after you cut all their "benefits" as you call them? Why don't some of you cheerleaders live on what little they get? It's those like you who created this mess and now you beg others to fix it. It's not a dem or rep problem, but a problen created by the wealthy to line their own pockets. The rent checks you get are from the government because these people you call names don't have anything. You're thecause. You fixit. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:15 PM:
You said "However, I find it deplorable that your husband did not receive more assistance from the country he gave his service to and when I hear Bush wanting to cut GI benefits even more, I want to scream."
This was also while he was active duty, not just after. If you Google WIC and military families, you'll see all the information available for them...they actually ran the program ON BASE, for us exclusively. Another thing to Google would be "Military Families and Poverty" interesting reading. Something else to ponder...service members could actually get "written up" for getting themselves into credit trouble, and that would then be reflected in their permanent military service record. Silly to think about isn't it? When they sometimes had to visit soup kitchens or use WIC to get by, but were scared to wrack up a credit card bill, in fear of getting in trouble.
My husband misses being in the Marines, and I miss being the Marine wife sometimes too, but I'm really glad he got out. "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:11 PM:
And honest folks who hit hard times are deadbeats???!!?! "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:10 PM:
Then, in early January, the 73-year-old Cayne was forced out, too. But he remains the owner of 4.9 percent of Bear Stearns stock, worth an estimated $1.3 billion.
AT THE other end of the economic scale, workers who were bypassed by the boom are bracing for recession.
Economists of every political stripe are predicting a slump, the Democratic presidential candidates have all made proposals for an economic stimulus package--and even the Bush White House, long in denial about the housing crisis and its impact, is trying to put together a plan to jump-start the economy. Yet the stimulus proposals from both parties amount to just a fraction of the amount spent on the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
With more bad news emerging on practically every economic front--falling house prices, a credit squeeze, declining consumer spending, stagnant wages and higher inflation--the picture is likely to get worse. (cont.) "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:09 PM:
Last July, when Bear Stearns became the first Wall Street firm hit by the credit crisis after two of its hedge funds collapsed, Cayne "was playing in a bridge tournament in Nashville, Tenn., without a cell phone or an e-mail device," the Journal reported.
"As Bear's fund meltdown was helping spark this year's mortgage-market and credit convulsions, Mr. Cayne at times missed key events. At a tense August conference call with investors, he left after a few opening words, and listeners didn't know when he returned. In summer weeks, he typically left the office on Thursday afternoon and spent Friday at his New Jersey golf club, out of touch for stretches, according to associates and golf records. In the critical month of July, he spent 10 of the 21 workdays out of the office, either at the bridge event or golfing, according to golf, bridge and hotel records." (cont.) "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:09 PM:
But O'Neal's walk-away money makes Prince look poor: $165.5 million in various types of stock grants and retirement funds. And that's not all. The Journal noted, "Mr. O'Neal is also expected to receive a portion of his salary for the year"--although a Merrill spokesperson wouldn't say how much. "Last year [2006], Mr. O'Neal earned $700,000 in base pay and $18.5 million in a cash bonus."
Not bad for a guy who presided over an $8.4 billion in write-off of bad loans and a $2.2 billion loss in the third quarter of 2007 alone. (cont.) "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:08 PM:
"In addition, Citigroup will provide Mr. Prince an office, an administrative assistant and a car and driver for at least five years, or until he finds a new employer. It will also pay certain taxes associated with those benefits, according to the SEC filing."
The numbers didn't include Prince's multimillion-dollar bonus for 2007--prorated, of course, since he left the job a few weeks before year's end. (cont.) "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:07 PM:
Consider Charles Prince, CEO of Citigroup until the board of directors demanded his scalp for plunging the biggest bank in the U.S. into the center of the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Given the scale of the debacle at Citigroup--where the losses are still mounting--it's not at all clear whether Prince can expect to find another job at the top of Corporate America. (cont.) "
TandC wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:03 PM:
I don't like the fact that the city management team, city council members,police chief, fire chief and those who are usually written about and addressed in this newspaper don't have the courtesy to respond. Are they afraid they'll be ridiculed or questioned further? Mr. Wood, Mayor Mounce, Mr. Pernijad and a few others have been honest and sincere enough to respond here, why not the others? Don't they have computers and cellphones that we pay for they use on their own time? I see none can function at the CC meeting without them. Is it necessary with the nice power point presentations all need a computer? Shouldn't the public be allowed access to that information on that computer during CC meetings?
It doesn't seem to me that it's just the dems that don't get it, but even our own city council and management teams. There's one CC rep that very seldom speaks and he definitely looks and acts like he doesn't get it at all. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:00 PM:
Thanks for the compliments to who all gave them. ;)
Thanks for the engaging conversation to all that gave it. ;)
I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion...:) "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:56 PM:
Taxpayers should tell politicians NO MORE FINANCIAL BAILOUTS
http://worldpressnetwork.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=438 "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:51 PM:
http://www.politicalbull.net/mccain_and_palin_in_2008.html
Also....want to say sorry about interjecting off-topic posts when during your discussion, Acampo_Mom; but a certain know-it-all blogger who doesn't have a clue got my goat. ;) "
TandC wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:50 PM:
Thank you, sam, for your wisdom and wise words and encouragement to keep going! "
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:48 PM:
PRICELESS!!! LOL! "
TandC wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:41 PM:
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:41 PM:
It's like welfare...originally designed to help women get over a rough spot, once past, they were to move on and become productive members of society...these programs are to be used as a bridge which, to me, is exactly what you and your family did.
However, I find it deplorable that your husband did not receive more assistance from the country he gave his service to and when I hear Bush wanting to cut GI benefits even more, I want to scream.
This is one of the reasons I like Ron Paul so much. He wants to reduce the social programs; but he realizes there are many people who are dependent on them and his plan would take care of those people as we transition to a new paradigm. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:32 PM:
lodisafeway: So, which one are you? LOL! "
sam wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:26 AM:
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:58 AM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:47 AM:
And if the majority of the responses set forth on the Internet are a true indication of character (which I believe they are), then there's a lot of growing up to be done out here.
Thanks Dad!
For a man who spends so much time focussed on etiquette you can be awfully condescending. "
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:27 AM:
wtf wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:24 AM:
Dem ad: McCain `doesn't get it'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_ad "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:08 AM:
I've always felt like I was toeing the line, when it came to politics and social debates. I don't claim to know all (ohhhhhh far from it!)
You've mentioned in the past you find these forums entertaining, lodisafeway; so do I! It becomes addicting, I admit, and as a woman...I do so love to argue. :) "
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:13 AM:
As for this being like a "high school clique," you've hit the nail precisely on the head. In my mind's eye, the majority of contributors on this forum are either pimply-faced, pre-pubescent middle-school students or brainless cheerleader/football player groups flexing their muscles in the mirror or shaking their pom-pons and uttering statements designed to convince others of their superiority while seeking desperately for acceptance from others due to offset their obvious inferiority complexes. It doesn't much bother me overall, but as a steady diet it does get boring.
Now, if anyone would really enjoy a civilized debate, then I'm all for that. But as in any contest, there are winners and losers. Those who lose need to learn how to take defeat graciously. Sadly, that is absent here. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:42 AM:
I did NOT say I could not be convinced of something....I only said I could not be convinced of something that is not already in my character to believe.
I participate in the blogs for the same reason all of you do, to vent, to share my opinion, to satisfy my curiosity. If I happen to change someone's mind on something...all the better I suppose.
Are these blogs only intended for a select few? Is this like a high school clique that I haven't been invited to join? Re-read my posts lodisafeway, I've tried to be as respectful as I could (kinda hard when you're discussing Libs and Conservatives...wouldn't you agree??) If it doesn't matter...I won't try so hard next time. "
95242 wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:41 AM:
95242 wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:38 AM:
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:14 AM:
I know there are many here just like that and it confuses me to just what they hope to get out of a forum whose purpose is to actually discuss and debate the issues of the day. With no clear purpose other than to antagonize the opposition or somehow form alliances with others in this quest for lop-sided battle it just seems like an awful waste of energy.
Lately there has been little civilized debate or discourse on just about any issue that has been introduced by the LNS or those offering their own opinions. Do people really "get off" in their attempt to make others feel disparaged or disrespected? While I find it exceedingly pathetic, I can see where others may very well be hurt by such behavior. "
sam wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:16 PM:
I agree. I will help anyone who needs a hand. But those who refuse to work do not need my help. "
sam wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:05 PM:
Seriously, think about it. "
sam wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:00 PM:
Well said !!!! "
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:39 PM:
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:33 PM:
Whether or not I work inside or outside is immaterial. The majority of us actually "choose" the type of work we engage in to make our way in life. If the heat is causing you problems perhaps a change might be in order.
As for where I work, that is no one's business. What could that possibly have to do with anything? "
Gator wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:31 PM:
Basically I said we could use FDRs WPA and CCC camps again for the
Homeless and chronically unemployed and I still believe that. Federal
and State assistance is for those in true need, not for the ones who cheat
and steal from it. I for one am sick of hearing about Katrina. The local,
State and Federal fell down on the job but the folks let them selves down,
they stayed when they should have Hauled A**The Coast Guard, Army
Air Force, Navy and Fish and game Helicopter pilots were flying in 100+ mph winds rescuing people. My point Self-Reliance will save your hide
waiting for the State or Feds just might cost you yoursThe US Coast
Guard rescued 35,000 souls "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:08 PM:
What DO you want your tax dollars to go towards? "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:02 PM:
s & W 500 wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:56 PM:
I am self-employed, have NO health insurance, and pay cash for all medical. If people are lazy, that is fine, let them live near a disarmed nuclear power plant. All the jobless/homeless/milkers should go there, get them outta my neighborhood. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:40 PM:
All I am saying is, it looks a lot like conservatives are just waiting for their chance to shut down as many social programs as possible. I know why. Because social programs cost the tax payer more...in taxes. And people hate to see something handed to someone, when they've worked so hard to achieve the same thing (also understandable).
I wonder if many people know how small the percentage is that our tax dollars go towards social programs.
I know I will not convince anyone to see it my way, nor will they convince me to see it theirs. The most I can really hope for is for acceptance of the differences. "
sam wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:23 PM:
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:58 PM:
My decisions are also based on what I feel or know to be right.
Again the writing is on the wall:
T & C says: "...Demos are for handing out checks, esp. to those who don't need it, but take it to support their addictions, and trade their food stamp card for drugs or booze!"
How else am I to interpret this lodisafeway? And there are sooooo many conservatives that feel this way. If you get all those conservatives together and let them write laws...what will happen? "
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:28 PM:
T & C wrote on Aug 29, 2008 3:17 PM:
T & C wrote on Aug 29, 2008 3:12 PM:
Leonard wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:21 PM:
Brian wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:16 PM:
" Brian wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:49 PM:
" Leonard, can you safely say that we would still not have had another terrorist attack under a Kerry adminstration?
Again Brian, asking the demand to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.
I would think that you would be embarrassed to make the same structural error of argument over and over again.
Evidently, you are not. "
Leonard, yet another one of your ways of sidestepping the issue. I'm not impressed with your logical fallacy stuff. A simple yes or not would have sufficed. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:53 PM:
It wasn't really even a tragedy...just a rough patch. But I refuse to feel ashamed of it because of the stigma surrounding the topic of social programs. Everyone...EVERYONE needs help now and then. That was the point I was getting at. Did everyone know that many of our military families are below the poverty level? I knew some families on food stamps, ours was on WIC (Women, Infants and Children). NO ONE is immune to hard times...NOT ONE. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:47 PM:
I didn't mean to imply that I think that ALL conservatives would take ALL the programs away. But I hear and read on a daily basis, those same conservatives complain that anyone that takes advantage of those programs are drains on society, deadbeats, lazy losers...etc. etc.
I listen to the very conservative Michael Savage (Independent) show regularly (I don't know why...he irritates the heck out of me), and he dedicates a HUGE portion of his show bad mouthing all the social programs. Most of his listeners seem to feel the same. Most of the conservatives that blog here on LNS, seem to feel the same. I agree that the people who CAN help themselves SHOULD. The problem with that, is that the government doesn't know how to weed them out without letting the ones who CAN'T suffer.
I don't want to sound presumptuous, I can only take what I read or hear from others at face value. Until everyone starts qualifying their written or spoken opinions on such subjects with "except when... but only if...other than...", the writing is on the wall. "
Jason J wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:09 PM:
lodisafeway wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:01 AM:
The majority of Americans have "struggled" during their lifetimes; isn't this simply the result of being a resident of the planet? Sure, there are those who were fortunate enough to have been born to wealthy families - what should we do, continue to take money away from them as a result of their successes? The fact is we are made better people by overcoming those struggles and adversities that are laid at our feet.
For those who "cannot" do for themselves, they should certainly receive the aid that they need. And there are programs in place to help them. It is those who "will not" try to improve their own lots in life who should be prevented from taking from the rest of us who ARE taking care of our own. "
wtf wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:38 AM:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN2942710820080829
BUT in addition to that, today is Manchurican McCain's birthday.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0125-515h.html
Call me superstitious, but I will not be voting for a disaster. "
sam wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:38 AM:
. "
wtf wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:33 AM:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/28/mccain-iraq-peaceful/ "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:53 AM:
The text box ate them all up! "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:51 AM:
Im happy when things work out for people. I admire anyone who has done well for themselves and their family. Its great that people can reap the rewards of success, like owning a home, and buying expensive cars. But its a damn shame that in a country like ours, where so many people have so much, that some cant see past the end of their own nose and notice that people who dont have anything, dont usually choose that path for themselvesthey just dont know how pull themselves out of the abyss. "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:51 AM:
Like you, we are a hard working family. We have made sacrifices so that I can stay at home and raise my own kids. My husband served in the Marines for 6 years. When he got out, he was unemployed (unfortunately, the military doesnt help in the transitioning much). If there werent any social programs do you think we would have survived? We took advantage of unemployment compensation, WIC (in fact we were on WIC when he was active duty), Healthy Families (medi-cal), Head Start, PIC (govt. paid job training), and a couple others I dont recall. We struggleda lot. If none of those social programs existed, and we were told by someonehey youre sh#t out of luck where would be now? Possibly homeless? Possibly unemployed? "
Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:51 AM:
Gator:
I understand your logic to an extent. But do you realize that in following that logic, the government would have to literally let thousands of people (mostly children, or the infirm) starve to death, or perish from common illnesses? I realize there are A LOT of people that should get off their lazy duffs and go get a job, and act responsibly. What about those that cant? I wont support anyones policy that would allow kids to go hungry because their parents cant or wont do the right thing. I wont support anyones policy that would allow the disabled or elderly to live in squalor, because they are too sick (or old) to work. There are so MANY reasons why we need social programs, and as human beings, as Americans, we have to look after our own.
You said it yourself Gator We need to help an another and forget Me,Me,Me. No one person can do it alone!!! "
Gator wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:35 AM:
Boards. I say till Reid and Pelosi are gone there will be problems. Its a cold
day in hell when either side can count on a 100% vote on their side.No my argument is with the American public. As I have said before the words
accountability and self-reliance have mostly disappeared in today society
we let our legislatures run ruff-shod over us and we want these clowns
to take care of all our needs. Im a High School Drop out who has worked
hard for what we have, no one gave me squat. I have a large home, a fine
wonderful family ,3 cars, I buy my own health insurance, mow my own lawn and at the end of the day sit back and tip an Alaskan Amber and say life is goodI would love to see FDRs WPA and CCC put back in