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The Presidency is not on-the-job training

Updated: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:21 AM PDT
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In response to Angelo P. Bocchi's letter on Aug. 19, I feel very saddened to think Mr. Bocchi thinks the American people do not know the difference between experienced and inexperienced, that we would vote for Barack Obama only if he were "white." I wouldn't vote for him if he were green!

The White House is not kindergarten, Mr. Bocchi. It is not a place where one goes to "learn" how things work. It's the top of the line, and if you are fortunate enough to achieve to the highest place in our land, you had better know how to run it. At 3 a.m. and the red phone rings, I want whoever answers it to be able to make quick, decisive decisions right then and not one who will hang up, think about what he'll do and then call back to the party who called.

My sister was a flight attendant for American Airlines when her plane went into the Towers on 9/11 (she happened to have a day off, thank God) and no one thought something so horrible could happen on American soil. I pray to God it never happens again, but I'm afraid it will. We live in a world of uncertainty and I personally want someone to be in charge that has experience, wisdom and the guts to act swiftly. Mr. Obama has so much to learn before leading our country. It's not a matter of Democrat, Republican, Independent, white, black, green or yellow, it's who has the most experience in a time of need. In my heart, John McCain has shown me that I can put my trust and faith in, knowing he'll do the very best to ensure another 9/11 will never happen again.

Oh, by the way, yes, we need off shore drilling too. This means that Mrs. Pelosi needs to let Congress vote the way they want and not put her own restrictions on it. People are tired of the high prices at the pumps. She should have never left San Francisco. They love her there.

Sheila Butler
Lodi

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falcon wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:34 AM:

" voter, I did read the entire article. I see the paranoia. It is still far fetched (my opinion) to think that by some light waving of the magic wand, abortion is going to be outlawed in the United States. I feel the same toward the right wing kooks that think that women should be jailed. How is it going to happen? Law has to be passed. Law that will not see the light of day.

It is not going to happen, so using abortion as single issue criteria for selecting a candidate is silly to me. You would elect to pay more taxes to the government, increase regulation on business, and shackle capital because people voted for a candidate that has a position on abortion that will never matter. Is this idea that abortion will be outlawed really realistic? "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Gotta go, grandson has a soccer game at 8:30 a.m. 4 year olds playing soccer......riveting stuff. "

Cogito: T-ball is soooo much more exciting! (NOT!)

Enjoy "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:00 AM:

" voter...
Regarding the article: WOW, incredible. "

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voter wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:41 AM:

" Falcon, You didn't read the whole article from the Washington Post. You only read the first couple of paragraphs. That's obvious. Read it. "

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real facts wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:28 AM:

" the idea that any woman has the right to choose whether or not a human being lives or dies is preposterus. women don't have rights that cancel out Gods rights over their life. in corinthians 6:19 it clearly states that all of us belong to God, and that our bodies are not our own, because HE bought them. that cancels out the right to choose whether a life growing in you lives or dies.

your womb is NOT your property. it belongs to God the creator, and HE decides life/death "

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real facts wrote on Sep 6, 2008 12:17 AM:

" ("sam wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:46 PM:
" Leonard, did you hear Palin's reason for Israel's problems? They have not accepted Jesus Christ").

i didn't hear her say it, but if she did, she was 100% correct as the jew's (by and large) have rejected Christ as their savior.

if she said it, she was accuretly echoing what the bible itself says about the jews, especially pertinent post-Christ and pre-judgement. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:53 PM:

" Good chatting with you. I am pulling the pin. You have to love this country and the internet. Anonymity and free speech. No yelling just text. Internet to research statements. The truth rises to the top. I love it. We live in a great time. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:51 PM:

" falcon, I agree whole heartedly.

Not quite the argument you were after, eh? "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:50 PM:

" Acampo mom, it is weird out there, conservatives do not like McCain, and lots of dems did not like Obama. History will be made either way. It would be cool if we could flush both down the drain and start over. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:48 PM:

" Oh...let me re-phrase that

I'm actually very disappointed in the choices presented to me. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:47 PM:

" Alright, it is midnight, who wants to argue? WAKE UP LIBS! "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:47 PM:

" falcon...I wasn't trying to be sarcastic either. I wasn't sure if you had seen my post on the matter. I've never actually said I was voting for Obama. I liked him in the beginning, but his policies on partial birth, and immigration turned me off. I'm actually VERY disappointed at my choices. Do I have to vote? What if I don't like either of them? I was looking for a good independent, but that would end up being like I didn't vote anyway.

I feel like if I don't vote, I don't have any right to complain about what happens. I wish they would have a bubble to fill in labeled "None of the above, but I retain the right to bitch and moan" "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:46 PM:

" Cog, maybe you could get federal money. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Gotta go, grandson has a soccer game at 8:30 a.m. 4 year olds playing soccer......riveting stuff. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:44 PM:

" The other fact in this anti abortion fear is that even if it were overturned, it would revert back to the states. It is highly unlikely that abortion could be banned in the US in my lifetime. I do not give a rats rear end who is the President. The kooks on the right and the kooks on the left need to forgetaboutit. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:41 PM:

" That's "to" not "top" "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:39 PM:

" I CAN'T HELP MYSELF! I'M A JUNKIE! Do you think I could get the bleeding hearts top call my weakness a disease too, like alcoholism and drug addiction? "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:39 PM:

" Acampo Mom, I know that you are against it. I did not know if you knew that Obama voted to deny a live baby medical treatment, for fear that it would interfere with the intention of the mother to terminate it? I do not think that you would agree. Could you vote for Obama knowing that or does it not matter? I am not trying to be sarcastic, just wondering how far one would ride down the river? "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:37 PM:

" There is WAAAAAAY too much money made by the big pharma on birth control to ever get it banned. They give way too much money to way too many politicians for one person to take them on. And condoms are used to prevent the spread of disease, they could never be banned. You have to be a little realistic here, and use some reason. It helps to alleviate unwarranted hand wringing over a non-issue. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:37 PM:

" Cogito...ok...she won't have that kind of power, still not really the point.

And yes I'm very aware that Roe has turned pro-life.

And yes I lied...I let you engage me, YET AGAIN.

LOL "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:35 PM:

" Palin appeals to the base of the party. She is pro life, pro gun, smaller government, drill for oil. It is the shotgun approach for McCain. He knocked it out of the park. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:33 PM:

" falcon...you did see that I said "And for the record I am against so called "late term" or "partial birth" abortions." Right?

What would I say about someone who would vote to do this??? Not sure I really understand the question. For someone who wants to make it legal? Or keep it legal? Are you wondering why I'm not bashing Obama over his stance on this? I'm not in agreement with Obama with his views of partial birth abortions. Though he isn't entirely FOR it, he says if it threatens the life of the mother or child, it should be allowed. Which still doesn't make sense to me really, because if the baby is old enough to live outside the womb, then it is adoptable.

I don't know if that really answered your question. It's all a very slippery slope really. Education and prevention is key.

I'm not big on Obama's immigration policies either...but that might be an argument for another day. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:33 PM:

" Cogito, what about Oprah dissing Palin? That is going to hurt her. I have heard that US subscriptions have been dropped as well. American women are striking back at the anti Palin media. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:31 PM:

" Finally Acampomom, I think McCain is using Palin to appeal to the religious right, where he is weak due to his liberal record. Any gender specific voters he were to pick up along the way would just be a bonus. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:28 PM:

" Acampo mom, for the last time, the Vice President of the United States has no power to overturn Roe v. Wade. ( Did you know that "Jane Roe" has become a fervent pro life advocate?). It is irrelevant. I'm done with you too. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Acampo mom, I could not understand who could be for late term abortions. How anyone who would vote to deny a baby that was alive, medical care, so that it would die, is beyond my pay grade. How anyone could support infanticide like this makes me question their judgment. What do you have to say about a person that would vote to do this? "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:14 PM:

" voter, are you sure on Bush Sr. being pro choice? "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:07 PM:

" voter, I read the article. All it said is that Bush wants to allow medical workers, who do not want to perform abortions, for religions reasons, the right not to be forced to do so. This is like the lady getting killed for being a witch because she floats, because witches are made of wood. How you get to illegal abortion from not forcing a medical worker to perform an abortion is far fetched.

I think that both Bush appointed justices have each stated that they observe continuity in the rulings and for them at this point, to rule counter to Roe v. Wade, is also far fetched. It is not going to happen. Even with Alito and Roberts. They would not vote to overturn existing constitutional rulings. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:04 PM:

" Cogito...I am curious. If I had only listed that Palin is against birth control and sex education...and never mentioned the abortion issue, would this still have been an argument? I don't know anyone who really LIKES the reality of abortion. You've put words in my mouth, to make it seem as if I'm some sort of abortion cheerleader. I was trying to make a point, that if Palin had it her way, she would take ALL choices away. Someone who firmly believes that a woman has a right to make her own reproductive choices, and doesn't like the idea of a government official even attempting to take that away, isn't going to vote for her. I thought it funny that McCain was trying to use her to swing Hillary supporters to his side, when they (Hillary supporters) are so clearly pro-choice.

And for the record I am against so called "late term" or "partial birth" abortions.

So if you are going to continue to argue ONLY about abortion...know that you are no longer arguing with me. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:00 PM:

" Let me put this scenario before you. Gay people say that their born that way, that a "gay gene" exists, and they'd prefer to prove it's existence. That nurture is out of the picture in the argument of sexual dysfunction. So, let's say that we find it, and it can be isolated in an amniotic test. Would you support the right of a mother to be able to have this test, and the right of this mother to abort a fetus with a high probability factor for homosexuality, just because she wants grandchildren someday? Would you support her reproductive right to do so? How do you think gay America would accept this? We already have a test to determine the sex of a fetus during the abortion window. It is usually requested by people of a culture where having a male child is important. It is illegal to have this test for possible gender gleaning. Yet, the overwhelming number of women who have this procedure, and later abort, abort female babies. Would you take away a womans right to determine the sex of her progeny? "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:44 PM:

" Voter, I was just trying to get you to bite. Obama is for the rights of individual states to ban late term abortions. I guess you were too tired. DANG! "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:38 PM:

" So are you saying that Bush Sr. and Nixon had no compassion for humanity? "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:15 PM:

" Late term abortion is all about killing a viable fetus while it is still in the womb. A wand pierces the fetus' head, sucking out it's brain, in order to make it stillborn.( I apologize for the graphic nature of the truth). If labor were induced, the child could be born alive, and live a normal life. Killing it in the womb, while it is still attached to the umbilical chord, makes it legal. If you don't find that disgusting, barbaric, heinous, and the act of a hedonistic sub-human lowlife, then I guess that's your opinion, and it says a lot about your compassion for humanity. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:05 PM:

" Like I said voter, many of us consider innocent unborn life to have a right to life. It's a human rights issue to us. We are simply advocating for those human beings who are unable to advocate for themselves. Do you believe in a womans right to kill a viable fetus? "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Wow, and here I thought abortion was the hot button issue to rally the religious right. After all, opposition to abortion on the Republican platform is relatively recent. Nixon and Bush Sr. both supported a woman's right to chose during their tenures. Wouldn't it be great if both sides just dropped the subject and let everyone make their own decision? Oh, wait, that's the liberal position now days. Hmmm . . . "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Falcon, the real answer is: It ain't gonna happen. What the abortion issue is, is a common scare tactic used by liberals, to rally the liberal troops, when they've got nothing else valid to stand on. There you have it, I rest my case. "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:05 PM:

" falcon, I do not have all of the pieces of the puzzle, but let me tell you how McCain and Palin could effectively end choice in this country for most women. Bush has already done all the advance work. I read this article in the Washington Post a month or so ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003238.html

I have not checked up on the situation since, but what is occurring is that the Bush folks have reclassified most birth control as abortion. I know it sounds crazy, but read the full article for the widespread implications. Second, the next president will likely set the direction of the supreme court for decades to come. A couple of more anti-choice justices, a challenge to R v. W. and rights begin to shrivel, access denied. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:02 PM:

" Someone tell me what chain of events would have to happen for abortion to become illegal in the US. I am wondering why, if it is so easy, it has not happened already? "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:53 PM:

" OK, Leonard, Acampomom, and all pro abortion people. I need an education. I keep wondering how the President of the United States or the VP is going to overturn Roe v. Wade and make it illegal for a women to get an abortion. I am sincere about this because I just do not know. How is that legally going to happen? How could it happen? What has to happen for it to happen? I want to know where the fear is coming from because I do not understand mechanically how it could happen. Please explain this to me so I have a better understanding. "

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Madman wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:27 PM:

" Cogito, I am not Leonard. Thank you for your honest response. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:24 PM:

" LOL! "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:16 PM:

" But they still like to run my life. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:15 PM:

" Besides Lodian, I've always been attracted to conservative Christian Republican women. They're SOOOOOOOOO much hotter than those pent up angry liberal women. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:12 PM:

" Yikes!!!!! "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Lodian, I'm married, otherwise you may be in danger:-) "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:06 PM:

" I'm sorry, that was a response to madman, not my buddy Leonard. "

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Lodian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:05 PM:

" There's only one thing to say. Stay out of my womb. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Leonard, yes I do step up to the plate. He lives with us, goes to public pre-school, I buy his food and clothing, His father pays child support out of his Army Special Forces paycheck, and he is on his fathers medical policy. We pay over 50k a year in taxes, if we can get any of it back in the form of financial aid for his moms college, trust me, we'll do it. He will grow up to be a taxpayer someday too. No welfare state around here, except for my wallet. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Acampo mom, you think pro choice is a womens rights issue, I think pro-life is a HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE! Ronald Reagan tried to get Roe V Wade overturned too! It couldn't be done! The Supreme Court will decide the issue and John McCain has a history of supporting the most liberal nominees to the court. As far as getting you fired up earlier, I like to push peoples buttons, it makes doing this a lot more interesting. If you read Leonard, he does the same thing. But that doesn't mean we don't mean what we say. You decide. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:41 PM:

" So in that case Hillary supporters should vote for her because of her female status, and disregard her stances on women's issues?

Oh and the Pres and Veep have A LOT more influence than our county supervisors. If her role in government as VP was so minuscule, no one would be interested in her at all. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Cogito:

You said:"...being anti-abortion does not mean VP candidate Palin will take anyone's right to an abortion away. It's just a position on the issue."

Actually, you're wrong there...her and McCain are both gunning to get Roe v. Wade overturned. She is against abortion...in ALL forms for ANY reasons. She is against sex ed, in ALL forms except to promote abstinence. And she's against women using birth control...married or not.

This is not JUST an abortion issue...this is a WOMEN'S RIGHTS issue. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:25 PM:

" Acampo mom, what you're failing to acknowledge is what power she would have to do anything about it. VP is not Dictator. Those are only her views. We supposedly have a balance of powers in this country that disallow a single point of view to be imposed on us. There are many more pressing, important concerns for our country than an impotent VPs viewpoint on issues he or she can do nothing about as an individual. Do you vote for or against your county supervisor based on their abortion stance? Because, trust me, they can't do anything about it. "

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Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:14 PM:

" " The wires will be announcing that the Government is going to take over the healthcare system if Obama is elected.

I wonder whether Leonard or his cronies will surface to tell us that everything is really going great. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:07 PM:

" Cogito...my arguments regarding Palin as being anti-women's rights don't revolve around just the abortion thing. I take issue with her desire to do away with ALL options available.

Education and prevention are what will go a long way to keep abortions from happening. It's that she wants to do away with all three. Do you understand what I'm getting at here? This entire argument we've been having has been about abortion. I am NOT an abortion advocate, I advocate keeping women's current rights WHOLE.

I have to defend myself, when someone attacks my character the way that you did.

You said:"Maybe you consider calling an abortion the killing of an unborn baby harsh." No, I don't think that harsh at all, you can call it what it is. What I took as harsh was your very first comment:"I find it odd that someone who likes children enough to put "mom" in her blog name has no problem with other mothers murdering their babies in the womb.

That comment is what got me up in arms. "

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Madman wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:03 PM:

" Cogito, I know you love your grandson, but I would like to know are your stepping up to the plate to pay for him, food, education, healthcare, whatever, or am I, the taxpayer? "

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sam wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:55 PM:

" Cog, very cool. Thank you. I was ready to pounce on you, but I had the feeling an 8 year old pregnant baby (which I have seen before ... it is SO SAD ) is something that should be addressed. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:53 PM:

" McCain voted FOR Ginsberg, Souter, and Bryer, the most liberal members of the Supreme court. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:50 PM:

" By the way, I'm pro choice on rape, incest, and life of the mother. I also believe that nobody has the right to stop someone from having a legal procedure. Like Sam, being anti-abortion does not mean VP candidate Palin will take anyone's right to an abortion away. It's just a position on the issue. "

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sam wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:46 PM:

" Leonard, did you hear Palin's reason for Israel's problems? They have not accepted Jesus Christ. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:44 PM:

" Leonard, many times God answers prayers to those who ask. Try it sometimes. Works for me. "

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sam wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:44 PM:

" Scout and Acampo_Mom, I am anti-abortion also. I know how I would respond to an unwanted pregnancy. I do not believe I have the right to dictate to another woman who does not share my beliefs, what she should do with her body.

I am truly blessed that neither I nor my daughter was raped and impregnated at 8 years old. I have no idea how I would react. I have no right to judge another.

Thank you so much for your honest posts. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Leonard, the government lowered the bar to allow marginal borrowers to buy houses. Lenders used these lower standards, in what were often predatory situations, just to make loans and commissions. Greenspan should have been keeping a closer watch on the fly by night operators. Since the government was highly responsible for the loose lending laws, I think they should clean up the mess. But they obviously never learned anything from the s&l debacle in the 80s. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:29 PM:

" Acampo mom, Maybe you consider calling an abortion the killing of an unborn baby harsh. But that fetus, left to grow in it's mothers womb would almost surely become a human being. As harsh as it sounds, it is a fact. My mother became pregnant with me at 18, so my father married her. I'm pretty sure that if abortion were readily available at the time, I would not be here. My father was a very self-centered man, and an atheist up until cancer had him near death. He probably would have tried to talk her into it. How else can you look at that but killing me had they made that "choice". I don't condemn the person, I condemn the act. A 15 year old is really a tough choice, and it IS a crisis at that age. My daughter had multiple offers to adopt my grandson. Desperate people who wanted a newborn. I wish more people would adopt older children. But just because they don't, doesn't mean those kids don't have a right to be a member of the human race. I think having the baby is less traumatic to the mothers longterm psyche, than abortion. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:12 PM:

" The wires are announcing that the Government is going to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

I wonder whether Girard or his pal Safeway will surface to tell us that everything is really going great.

No more years, that's what I say. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:00 PM:

" I heard some tape of Palin foaming at the mouth about how God told her to build a pipeline across Alaska.

What a loon! "

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scout wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Enlightening: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:04 AM:

" Cogito: I had my first daughter when I was 19...your daughter and I am not THAT different. I think it's great that her family was there for her. What about those girls/women who's families are NOT there for them? Who have NO help? I've made it very clear to my girls that they can come to me about ANYTHING and that I will always back them up. Not everyone is that fortunate....But your implication that people who believe in their right to choose just want to murder babies...is so...offensive.

A 15 year old girl who gets pregnant, and who comes from an economically disadvantaged family, is NOT the same as a 19 year old woman that has a stable, economically thriving family, to stand behind her.

To tell you the truth, I believe in adoption before abortion...but that just isn't going to resonate with everyone, many young girls will try to hide pregnancies and terminate them in secrecy. Making abortion illegal will not solve anything, except to quiet the anti-abortionists. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:54 AM:

" scout: I wish I was able to make a point as succinctly as you. My long ramblings made me sound like a monster to Cogito, I suppose.

The fact that anyone ever feels like they must resort to abortion is a shame. It would be terrible to have that choice to make, but it is a reality. Taking away ALL options is just not realistic. "

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scout wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:38 AM:

" On another note, I also find the Republican sexist accusations to anyone who disagrees with S. Palin on the issues to be of poor logic and childish. News flash: expecting women to go against everything they believe in and vote for S. Palin simply because she is a woman is sexist. "

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scout wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:33 AM:

" I chuckle at the fact that Republicans preach for a smaller government out of one side of their mouths but then cater to the religious right who in turn wants the government to control and regulate people's creed, the books they read, and their lives in the bedroom. I find the hypocrisy nauseating. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Cogito...I was actually expecting something...intelligent, about my comment. Not name calling. Not insults (well actually the insults should have been expected). But really...personal attacks are all you can come up with?

My point actually, was that most Hillary supporters are pro-choice, they aren't going to follow the candidates that are so vehemently against it.

And as far as my parental skills go...I'm raising two girls. I don't want their rights to be swept so carelessly under the rug. Anyone who doesn't take that into consideration, would probably make lousy parents anyway.

If you and your family have chosen to be pro-life...that is great. It would be wonderful if it was that easy. But your family's belief system isn't what I'm really all that concerned with (unless you are considering running for some office).

I'm more concerned that the leaders of the free world might soon be dictating our lives down to the very smallest of details, starting with women's reproductive rights. "

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scout wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:23 AM:

" I am personally against abortion. But making abortion illegal will just increase the number of illegal and dangerous abortions performed if the real issue of unwanted pregnancies is not addressed. Limiting access to birth control is not the answer. If the religious right really wanted to stop abortions they would recognize that many Americans choice to have pre-martial sex and they would encourage sex education programs and reduce barriers to obtaining contraception. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Unemployment is at 6.1% and McCain proposes the biggest tax increase in history on working families?

Are the Republicans insane? "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Its all fine and well for people to say that we should leave Palin's troubled family life out of the debate but, when a politician advocates abstinence in the public arena while concealing its failure in her own family, it seems to me that this then becomes a political issue. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:17 AM:

" There is only one word for people who oppose both birth control and abortion.

Idiots "

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scout wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:17 AM:

" The stock market plummeted 300 points yesterday, and continues to go down today after the 5-year high unemployment rate was announced. What's McCain's plan? More tax cuts for those making $5 million a year plus? The last eight years are proof that "trickle down economic" doesn't actually "trickle down". Why? Turns out the executives don't share. They lay-off and outsource labor and then give themselves huge raises and ridiculous bonuses. Go figure. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:11 AM:

" Acampo mom, we practice what we preach here, when my daughter got pregnant 5 years ago when she was 19, and her boyfriend bailed at the news and joined the Army, she never had any inclinations to not have the baby. Despite the fathers demands and threats. She had to postpone her college plans for a while, but has resumed them. If you want to see the star of our family, he is on LNS reader photos, in the fishing and hunting section. He's the little guy holding the fish, wearing the yellow life jacket. That's what an unrealized abortion looks like. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Actually...what is absurd, is that Palin wants to get rid of abortion, and ALL birth control, and also NOT educate on how one might prevent it.
She wants to advocate abstinence. Great, advocate to your heart's content. I advocate that as well. What happens when that doesn't work? (As was the case in her house). What we will end up with is abortions done ILLEGALLY. That is where women's health issues come into play. That is when mental and emotional problems will REALLY rear their ugly heads.

I think it is a great idea that your wife wants to "help administer" a pregnancy crisis center. You do realize that the pregnancy isn't the actual crisis right? It's the next 18 years, that are really going to matter. If the girl didn't want to have the baby in the first place (to whom abortion wasn't an option), how well is that child going to be taken care of?

Be realistic...abstinence is NOT going to control unwanted pregnancies...Plan B (emergency contraceptive) might, but of course that has almost as much controversy surrounding it as abortion. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Gotta go to work unfortunately, talk amongst yourselves, Cog out! "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Acampo mom, so according to your line of thinking, any woman who is anti-abortion is no woman at all? Because there are MILLIONS of them. The largest PRO abortion denographic in the US is MEN between the ages of 18 and 35. Are they good women? "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Really Acampo mom, I don't want those who would do something that immoral to have children in the first place. I find them genetically defective. They would probably make lousy parents anyway. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Palin considers herself a Feminist, and has risen to the top of the heap politically. As high as only one woman before her. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Cogito...how holier than thou of you! I most certainly don't want a government dictating what I can and can't decide about my own reproduction. Women don't want abortion to "murder" babies, and you know that! It's a choice that should be afforded us as women, if when, a pregnancy won't provide a good outcome, or even a viable one. And if you want to take that away...you want us to have NO options to prevent it??? And wait, social programs are obviously off the table too. So where does that leave women? Probably doesn't matter in your book, Cogito, as you are obviously anti woman yourself with that very intelligent comment of yours. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:46 AM:

" I think abortion is one of the largest underlying causes of unresolved mental and emotional issues in women. When they call abortion a womens health issue, they conveniently ignore mental health. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:40 AM:

" While in office, Ronald Reagan tried his best to overturn Roe vs. Wade, it never happened. To call Palin "anti woman" because she is pro-life is absurd. My wife and daughters are all pro-life and they are just as much woman as anyone here. My wife wants to use her MBA, and Fortune 500 corporate experience, to help administer a pregnancy crisis center. She wants to help save unborn children from the abortionist murderers. You think that makes her less a woman than you Acampo mom? "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:28 AM:

" I find it odd that someone who likes children enough to put "mom" in her blog name has no problem with other mothers murdering their babies in the womb. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Delaware, 2nd smallest state in the US (1954 sq. miles) Alaska, LARGEST state in the US (656,424 sq. miles). Alaska has the LOWEST tax burden in the US, couldn't find info on Delaware, but you can't get lower than lowest. "

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Acampo_Mom wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:23 AM:

" It didn't take much digging to find out what I needed to know about Palin. On the contrary, I merely needed to scratch the surface.

Palin is:
Anti abortion (she would like to overturn Roe v. Wade)
Anti birth control
Anti sex education
Anti...WOMAN, as it seems.

This wolf in sheep's clothing could set us women back 50 years.

If McCain truly thought he would get all the Hillary supporters by using Palin, he thought wrong. They aren't going to abandon their beliefs just to vote a (non)woman in. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Number of electoral votes: Alaska (3), Delaware (3). Yep, Biden is SOOOOOOO much more important because of the GIGANTIC state HE represents (but doesn't run). Oh, this stuff is too good! "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:59 AM:

" I wonder if Biden is going to pull the "I know Hillary, and you are no Hillary on Palin? Plagiarism is one of Bidens notable traits. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Falcon, good research heh heh heh heh. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:48 AM:

" The Biden/Palin debate will ROCK! I can't wait! "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:47 AM:

" Cogito, the two guys are the guy that flew the jet she sold on ebay and the driver of her car that she fired. "

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Audi 5000 wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:47 AM:

" Just because much is not immediately known about a person doesn't mean the person doesn't know much. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Population of Alaska: 683,478 (47th) (2007 estimate). Population of Delaware: 864,767 (45th) (2007 estimate). There you go. Biden is from SOOOOOO much a bigger state ROTFLMAO! "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Leonard, 2 out of 3 is 66% not 80%. 8 out of 10 like her and the other 2 are guys like you and voter. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:39 AM:

" That third guy is just an Eskimo who woke up on the wrong side of the igloo, he'll come around. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:38 AM:

" voter, do you think that Palin will look as foolish as Joe Biden when he consistently sticks his foot in his mouth.

Biden: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

Stephanopoulos: "You were asked: 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'"

Biden on Obama: "In order to look tough, he's undermined his ability to be tough... "It's a well-intended notion he has, but its a very nave way of thinking how you're going to conduct foreign policy"... "The way to deal with it is not to announce it, but to do it. The last thing you want to do is telegraph to the folks in Pakistan that we are about to violate - quote - 'their sovereignty.'"... "Having talking points on foreign policy doesn't get you there."

Biden Assessing Obamas Iraq plan : My impression is [Obama] thinks that if we leave, somehow the Iraqis are going to have an epiphany of peaceful coexistence among warring sects. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:38 AM:

" Leonard, I want to recommend some reading to you. Read both of Bernard Goldbergs books "Arrogance" and "Biased". Books by an Emmy winning Democrat reporter who will tell you what it's like in Americas msm newsrooms. If you are under the impression that the msm are straight shooters, you couldn't be more wrong. And here's an insider telling you what it's truly like. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:31 AM:

" That third guy is pretty ticked off though. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Also voter here is one fact we DO know about Palin, she has an 80% approval rating in her home state. That's higher than ANY Governor in the US. That you cannot dispute. "

Indeed. Two out of the three Alaskan's approve of her. "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Voter, the 2 candidates with the least experience are B.O. and Palin. Yet ONLY B.O. is at the TOP of the ticket. YOU are the one with the thick skull here. What I meant by the 4 years is that I expect McCain to be president for at least 4 years, if not 8.

Statistically speaking, a vote for McCain is a vote for Palin as President. The odds of a 72 year old man with a history of cancer and other health problems serving out a four year term are not good.

McCain's Dad died of cancer at the age of 70 "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Also voter here is one fact we DO know about Palin, she has an 80% approval rating in her home state. That's higher than ANY Governor in the US. That you cannot dispute. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Voter, the 2 candidates with the least experience are B.O. and Palin. Yet ONLY B.O. is at the TOP of the ticket. YOU are the one with the thick skull here. What I meant by the 4 years is that I expect McCain to be president for at least 4 years, if not 8. I got my info at Yahoo answers. I'm sure you'll find that somehow wrong because it doesn't reinforce your personal belief system. The legwork for this act was put together before B.O. ever took office. "

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falcon wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Ohhhh yes he did, yes he did help with one bill and put his name on it. I know he did.. Wepublians ah liaus....

Sounds like Palin is more popular and experienced than Obama himself. We know that if Palin was not a threat, the libs would not be reacting to her. The fact that they are reacting so harshly toward this nobody without experience, is proof that the dems are afraid of her. They should be. She will be around for a few years now. She is hot too. Have I mentioned that before? SARAHCUDA SARAHCUDA... "

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Brian wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:03 AM:

" Voter wrote: You still know almost nothing about her--she's not being allowed to give interviews because she knows nothing and would look utterly foolish. That says a lot.

Voter, How confident you are that she knows nothing. Do you take medication for your delusions? "

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Leonard wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:50 AM:

" Cogito wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:16 PM:

" Falcon, FOX did outperform any other network, just not all other networks combined. They still won the ratings race despite being in fewer households. That says something about who America believes is telling them the truth.

No, it says something about Republican's hostility towards the truth. "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:44 AM:

" You again attempt to defend Palin's experience, when you yourself admitted that she would not be ready to lead for another four years. You can stop defending now. Just admit it, you didn't know who Palin was a week ago. You still know almost nothing about her--she's not being allowed to give interviews because she knows nothing and would look utterly foolish. That says a lot. "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:39 AM:

" cogito, whose words are you quoting? Obama traveled with Lugar to Russia and Europe to oversee all of the projects set up by the earlier bill. They noted problems together and wrote a new bill to be more effective. I am not sure why you feel this doesn't count. Even Lugar passed out press releases praising Obama's contributions. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:57 AM:

" O.K. voter, I did a little research on websites that weren't put out by politicians or wikipedians, and here's what I found. The "Lugar Obama Act", which was the second or third reincarnation of the "Nunn Lugar Act" that was introduced years earlier. "Obama had NO role in authoring the act" (their words, not mine). He simply signed on as a co-sponsor. "He did NOT have a direct hand in this bill". So there you go, your guy at his best, taking credit where credit isn't due. Got anything not quite as embarrassing? "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:36 AM:

" If you call a bill that only expanded on a previous bill and work by Nunn and Lugar. It sought to make sure it was properly funded. I think this IS good legislation, but I wouldn't rate it as highly as passing a budget for an entire state. "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:29 AM:

" Lugar obama nonproliferation bill "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:27 AM:

" Voter, do you think Obama is ready from day one? How long will his advisers have to do his job before he is ready? Who will BE his advisers? Bill Ayers? Tony Rezko? George Soros? scary stuff! "

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Cogito wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:24 AM:

" Michelle Obama was promoted and given a 160% pay raise by U of C hospitals within months of her husband being elected to the senate. Her employer received a 1,000,000 dollar federal earmark, requested by her husband, after her promotion. "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:23 AM:

" Good night, for now. Meet up with you later. "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:21 AM:

" You don't pick a VP based on how healthy the Presidential candidate looks. Can Palin govern from day one? She admitted that she didn't even know what the VP is supposed to do. YOu know, I think it would be more realistic and honest to say that you support your party, regardless of who they have nominated. There is no need for you to defend her. If they had selected Winnie-the_Pooh you would all be gushing over him. That's what's hilarious about party politics to me. Impossible to be an independent thinker when this is how you chose your candidates. "

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voter wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:18 AM:

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