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Man better person for knowing Lord
Saturday, August 9, 2008 6:15 AM PDT
A pastor once said that when a man comes to know the Lord, even his dog and cat and farm animals will be the better for it.
It was William Jay who wrote that a person, when he comes to Christ, will be better in every relationship. He is a better husband, father, master, worker or friend than before, or else his religion is not genuine.
A missionary once said, "Do you hear one saying, 'I keep my religion to myself?' Well friend, you do not have to worry about it being stolen. You do not have to put it under lock and key. There is not enough of it to even tempt Satan to take it from you. A man who can keep his godliness to himself has so small a portion. I am afraid it will be of no credit to him, nor any blessing to anyone else."
I ask three questions regarding our faith. Does it cause us to pray? Worship God? Give thanks? Does it cause us to be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven us?
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real facts wrote on Aug 23, 2008 4:54 PM:
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making sure i stick to the edict that befalls billy in his pick and choose / one scripture here, and one scripture there methodology of "interpreting" scripture, this is not a "stand alone" scripture for which to build a case against billy's evil. this scripture is in the same theme as HUNDREDS of scriptures that deal with unchecked evil against God outlined in the psalms and proverbs.
so you can either stand with billy, or you can stand for Gods righteousness. the penalty for billy allegiance.....being swept away "
real facts wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:58 AM:
finally someone stood up "
real facts wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:55 AM:
usually you shake the dust off of your feet on these issues. but this ones different. Christians have for a long time been bullied into a corner so "they" can define what's right.
to that end, i go the distance, and it is TOTALLY worth it "
philadelphia37 wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:19 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:18 PM:
you didn't ask sam. sam posted in the other blog today, but her "input" here is strangely missing ivan. i wonder why that is ivan? since she thinks you are the cat's meow, maybe you can ask her why she is status interruptus.
remember how i handled your son leonard when he tried this garbage on me?
i NEVER let him off the hook for NOT walking thru a door HE opened either.
looks like you and i are "friends" now.
that is until you do what you are supposed to do.
i finish what i start, and now, i am going to make sure you do as well. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 9:01 PM:
for what? getting "married" doesn't validate a relationship, just look at the failure rate of heterosexual marriages, and those are the ones God DID design. plus, it ISN'T love, it's sex billy. sex that wasn't designed that way (square peg - round hole thingy). your friends are only destined for failure, once they realize that "marriage" won't justify what they do. nope, only confusion is the companion of those that fool themselves daily
gas is high billy. if i were you, which i will never be, i wouldn't go and waste your money. your just going to be reminded you can't father a daughter. then in despair, you will self medicate by passing yourself around, and then the vicious cycle repeats itself, then you will come back in here and try and take it out on God and the Christians (the real ones anyway). nope billy, your sickness is yours to own.....you can't inflict your daily choice driven misery out on "us".
square peg + round hole = no daughter for you "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:16 PM:
Anyway, Duane says he's going down tomorrow with Agador. They're stopping at Half Moon Bay on the way down and they'll see us there. "
Jaycee wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:14 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:12 PM:
Some people here would say she deserves to die now because the risks were becoming known. We're all just glad she can make it tomorrow. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:08 PM:
Here's what we'll do: we'll take your Scion down tonight, hit Monterey tomorrow (yes the ceromony is tomorrow but it isn't until 8 - they wanted the sun setting). That will leave Sunday morning open we can hit some shops and get me back in time.
How's that?! And DON'T FORGET YOUR SUIT FOR THE WEDDING! NO T SHIRTS AND SHORTS!!
Twist an axle in that Scion, man. We're buring daylight. "
Jaycee wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:47 PM:
Your Sunday will be safe... or not.
Wait let's do the jet ski thing today and then road trip it down to Monterey and crash the wedding. Is it tomorrow?
Party time. I can feel it. "
Jaycee wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:43 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:11 PM:
You tell Eric I'll be standing on the sidewalk with my thumb out! All he's gotta do is slow down as he goes by; I think I could do a standing vault off the curb right into the back of his jacked-up F150.
I'll try to get Duane, too, we'll see how it goes. But he's got friends in town and they're making a day trip of going to Monterey for David's and Michael's wedding. You know how Duane loves to jetski, but Michael and David have been waiting so, so long for this. The chemo has prolonged her life, but David's mother won't last much longer and she wants so badly to see their wedding - they don't have a lot of weekends left to choose from.
Will we be back early enough Sunday for our shift? Or should I take my bike? "
Jaycee wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:02 PM:
Jaycee wrote on Aug 22, 2008 1:49 PM:
Can you call Duane? Jet skiing into the sunset. What a killer end to gorgeous friday. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 1:34 PM:
He made promises. Oh, so many promises yesterday about how he was going to just trounce me. Pummel me.
And ya know what he did?
Nuthin. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:24 PM:
she didn't. she lied.
And why would we believe you? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:20 PM:
"and i have WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more gas in the tank than you ever dreamed of."
Don't underestimate how much gas I think you have.
And, speaking of all your lies, remember when you actually said you "went down to the LNS offices"?
har!
Yeah, you said you WENT THERE, but later slipped in a pool of your own drool and said you sent an email! LOL.
Then you said you didn't lie because you "went there" electronically!
HAR HAR HAR
Oh, jeez. Religion has caused your insanity. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:10 PM:
that's code for your not man enough to walk thru a door that YOU opened.
she didn't. she lied.
man you make me glad that i passed down to my son that edict that no matter what, you step to the truth above people and circumstances. that you man up and handle your business, and you don't run away from ANYBODY or ANYTHING, and you own what you say and do, which includes not running away from something you start.
did you hand paint that same yellow stripe that runs the length of your back onto leonard?
finish what you started "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:04 PM:
refer all your biblical questions to leonard and billy. they are the "bible experts". (laughing)
did you ever ask YOUR SON (leonard) if lying was a sin? because he so easily ran to it when he could no longer qualify his position. you NEVER ONCE chided your son in here when he DID lie.
honor isn't a sliding scale based around people ivan. your older. you would think a man of your age would have learned that by now. unless of course it didn't matter
given your family DNA, my guess is your going to dismiss it as some brain/chemical imbalance. therefore it is not a choice to lie, and you two are off the hook responisibilty wise for doing it so easily.
i dunno. i am NOT dr phil (but i am good at telling the truth about people)
NOW ASK HER "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:03 PM:
You, on the other hand are, by your own admission, a proven liar. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:56 AM:
she never did answer how she slipped up in her description of who real_facts was. once i busted her on that issue, she left the building so she didn't HAVE TO answer that question.
i wanna see her lie about it, then i want to copy and paste the email that the LNS sent me where THEY said the know something was going on behind the scenes.
it happened on HER computer.
now, step to your word and lets do this.
i will be back in here later to check in and see where your family DNA dictated that you chickened right out of it.
honor. what a joke. if you HAD honor, you would walk thru a door that YOU opened "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:50 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:49 AM:
now it's on. and i have WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more gas in the tank than you ever dreamed of. like my promise stated, if "they" don't keep your vulgar perversion in check, then it will be my honor to rake you all over these blogs for as long as it takes.
someone said something to me recently about what i do being "worth it". oh yeah. i won't sit and watch as unbridled/unchecked perversion perverts God without a conscience. nope, i have had enough, and YOUR mine.
you think you talk trash about Christianity and get away with it, your in denial. the kind that insures you and i are "friends".
you either keep your disrepectful trash to yourself, or we will take this as far as you want, as long as you want.
i am fired up, and i have my track shoes on......BRING IT
i guarantee it 560% "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:40 AM:
I don't see any point in asking them to repeat their statement given the fact that you have already demonstrated that you lack the honor necessary to keep your word. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:38 AM:
can't stand and defend your position, so you have to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend "it" goes away.
like i said, it runs in the family.
do you have hit and run liability insurance? because some day, the "truth cop" is going to catch you "speeding", and your going to get a FAT "ticket".
one that you won't be able to talk your way out of "court".
next time ivan, don't bring a "knife" to a "gunfight" (truth/intellectually speaking)
good day "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:37 AM:
Oh, no you don't.
I am the reason you're back here and you said so.
Sam can rustle up her own ghoul to haunt the blogs.
You are mine - all mine. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:31 AM:
in the meantime ivan, since you trumpeted your a barometer of character, let's see you walk thru the door that YOU kicked open. make it happen. don't pull your chicken hit-and-run garbage when you yourself judged me. now it's time to demonstrate what kind of man you really are.
ask her. and don't think for a minute that just because this blog ends, this liitle "fun in the sun" you started ends here. oh no, now that you challenged my integrity by lying about it, it's game on, and i will make sure you have this boat anchor around your neck until YOU cut it loose.
can you tell i am a scosh bit weary of people giving billy a free pass, but i am the "bad guy"?
nope. not no more. you guys don't keep him in check, and you step to me about my position, it's on.
you want peace in here, you will either be equitable about what goes on in here, or-be-responsible-for-me-having-to-defend-against-it. EVERYDAY
i guarantee it 549% "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:23 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:19 AM:
sam is the reason i AM back in here, and now YOUR the one that's lying, because your defense against me is weak, and now you resort to lying because you have noting left. funny, that was the last resort of leonard when he couldn't bring it.
you just opened a huge can of worms. now sam will either be silent, and hope the wind blows this away, OR she will attempt to lie and cover herself, something NO ONE can get away with considering my "talents" of seperating people from their words.
ask her ivan, or are you going to be like your son leonard and skate away when challenged?
i am up for the truth. how about you?
ASK HER "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:05 AM:
" Well, you guys have resurrected RealFacts. I wonder if we'll be seeing Richard McIntyre next? (Whatever did happen to him?) ").
since i have this tendancy to tell the truth about people, richard mcintyre isn't exactly the "peaceful muslim" he claimed to be. since no one else had the guts to expose his anti-american stance, i did.
the guy is a terrorist "symphathizer". so my guess, is his darkened heart has come full circle, and seeing opportunity staring at him in the face, he is probably living in pakistan
"studying".
mark my words, there are alot of peaceful muslims that are good people in lodi, but there are also alot of "them".....and they are patient (if you catch my drift).
i should know, i talk to them at my job and ask them side-door questions to see where they are at, and they spill it without realizing it. i am good at bringing to the surface what people REALLY believe. it's what i do... "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:03 AM:
With that fact now in mind, there does not seem to be much of a point in you continuing to post here since everyone reading your words will regard them as the out put of a proven and admitted liar.
Good day. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:54 AM:
like your son, your a hit and run artist at best. men of character that start the battle, finish what they started.
not you though. ever since that day, you have been hittin and runnin ever since.
your a "character barometer" (laughing) "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:47 AM:
" I, for one, do not appreciate being lied to... ").
good. then you can address the billy situation for him lying about who we are, and twisting biblical scripture into "go have sex with your own daughter".
ok robb, are you a "pillar of truth"? or is your "truth detector" only people specific?
what say you now robb? "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:42 AM:
listen, if you don't like the simlarities that YOU passed on to leonard, is that my fault? you wanted to play with me in here, so i was merely putting you in your place for attempting it. if you lie about my intent, you WILL pay the price for trying it. if you don't like it, don't address me, because one thing i am is succint and straight to the point about who people are/aren't.
as far as "estimating character", i am none the least bit concerned about your "ability" to determine character, when you yourself have to resort to lying about others, just because you disagree with them, and you want them to "go away".
you would have demonstrated personal character if after the first time you played your chicken hit-and-run act, and stuck around to debate me. YOU DIDN'T
you-don't-have-a-clue-what-character-is "
Robb wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:36 AM:
JD wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:36 AM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:59 AM:
You made a promise and you broke that promise.
That, good sir, has defined you. "
real facts wrote on Aug 22, 2008 7:35 AM:
what-true-Christian-supports-and-confirms-evil-against-God-himself?
i know you know the answer to that question.
anyway mike, hope all is well. if i were you, i wouldn't stick around too long. billy the pillar of all that's right in the world will tell you to have sex with your daughter, like he did me. he's still a pervert "
mike wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:52 AM:
And also, for those inclined, I recommend reading William Jays' Short Discourses to be Read in Families(it can be googled n read) "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:15 PM:
if your lucky, maybe one day you will make him mad, and then he will tell your husband to go have sex with your daughter. because afterall, the bible you claim to "love" says it, right?
billy can't control anything about himself. the ONLY chance he has in here is YOU people keeping him in check. if you refuse, then you get me riding you and billy all over the ring everyday.
respect is a two way street. you demand it of me, and say NOTHING to him. i am willing to "play nice". however, if billy continues his perversion, and you don't attempt to keep him in check, you know what happens "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:01 PM:
the answer is an easy no.
the science AND the physical design say absolutely not.
the "science advocates" are in it to win it, in the game of anything goes as they seek to exclude God out of the design, for self autonomy purposes.
if God did design homosexual sex, he would have high fived it. he didn't.
or voter (or anybody), you can show the design proponents just ONE scripture that qualifies your position of homosexal sex as "Gods design".
just one. no one can ever provide even one "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:55 PM:
Okay, now I'm done. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:51 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:51 PM:
" Thanks, Rhodie. A good discussion for the night. Maybe more later. RF kills the possibility of any thoughtful discourse").
"sometimes", because i have business to take care of, so these blogs disintegrate when i have to.
your a hypocrite voter..... for always blaiming me when you give your buddy billy a free pass because as YOU stated, "it takes a real man to adjust to truth despite his world view" (or something like that). billy says the most vile untrue crap, and you high five him.
tonight, i made "thoughtful discourse" on the homosexual issue by offering a respectful but strong countering view. you can't blame me because your too afraid to engage in debate with me about the subject matter.
i told you. you blame me for your failures, i will take you to task for it "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:48 PM:
When I took a sociology class in college they talked about a study that linked snow cones to violent behaviors back in the 70's. It was published in all the right papers and conferances were given on how the sugar and chemicals in the syrup caused this behavior. And it wasn't until a couple of years later when some critical thinker said, "don't they sell more snow cones when it is hot out?" It turns out the scientifically accepted explination missed a simple explination, people get cranky when it's hot.
When it's comes to the science of homosexuallity I don't know if it is right or not (I'll know when I die), I'm just asking, "don't they sell more when it's hot out."
Then again "Baaaa" "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:43 PM:
that's not true. trumped up by justification "scientists" bent ON justifying an anything-goes-behavior. "they" have attempted to do the same thing in other behavioral arenas, including heterosexual sex (people prone to not sticking to one mate), alchoholism as if it is "genetic", etc. in an attempt at excluding personal responsibility.
nope, all choices. creation design stipulates and defines design. if that defintion falls outside stated design, it's false science.
if there is a God, science cohoberrates(sp) Gods design. it doesn't seek to change it just because it doesn't like it, and wants to do whatever it wants.
besides, even a common sense approach dictates i take my cues from God. i WILL be standing before HIM someday, not some "scientist" who wants to redefine what God has already defined.
you cannot re-define what God has already defined. you can try, but you can't "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:41 PM:
First is I love Angel. You know, from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and then his own series. He is the epidomy of living above your wrongs. A vampire who always has the urge to kill but his soul gives him the strength to over come it and use it to be stronger. That kind of inner strength should be a lesson for all of us. It is not what we are that defines us but what we do with it. "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:40 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:30 PM:
are you proud that you fostered into your son leonard that same hit and run/refuse to answer mentality?
you must be. you share the same "honorable" assets 548%
well, i think we have established that you aren't exactly the pillar of picking the truth of life.
tree, apple. apple, tree. rotten apple at the base of the tree. good job ivan "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:30 PM:
My first girlfriend dated two guys (one before me and one after) that let her know at the end of their relationship they were gay. She said she'd kill me if I ever called her and said I was gay (jokingly) because then everyone of her boyfriends before her husband would have been gay. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:27 PM:
2 Corinthians 12: 8 Three different times I begged the Lord to take it away. 9 Each time he said, My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness. So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me. 10 Thats why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships, persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am strong."
It is this passage that guides me to say even though I think Homosexuality is a sin, if you are still acting in a way that brings honor to God, still living in a way that says you love him, yourself and your neighbor then I consider you superior to (or having risen above) your sin, that is better than. And in that case I hope we share a big feast in Heaven in the future. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:21 PM:
in every arena of life God determines the definition(s). no matter what you call it, it isn't "love", because HE didn't call it love
otherwise you all that argue that it is, have some explaining to do when an adult male says he "loves" little boys sexually.
you don't draw the line in the sand and define what is love.....God does (and he did) "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:20 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:18 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:16 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:16 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:14 PM:
No but let's go back the the story of how I met her. The girl I was madly in love with wanted to be a nun. I thought it was wrong of me take her away from that calling so for the five year I knew her I was her friend but never dated her. I refused to let what I wanted to rule what I thought was right.
We all control our impulses to do what we know is wrong. We don't cut in line when people have been waiting longer than us because it is wrong but it is what we want. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:13 PM:
You act like it was MY idea, rev").
it WAS your idea, because you purposefully perverted the text even after rhodie explained it's historocity.
it's what you are.....taking something pure, and perverting it intentionally.
now when you were caught in your perverted "leap" of interpretation, now your back peddling on the "if it was sexual".
no billy. you can't bring us into the sewer were you modulate "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:11 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:06 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:01 PM:
If I came up to you and told you it was a sin to love your wife, you honestly can say you would walk away from her? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:58 PM:
How about more biological: Cholesterol is bad, oh wait now there is good and bad cholesterol. Fat is bad, no only this kind of fat is bad. Science says eat no carbs for a healthy life style, of didn't that doctor die of heart problems stemming from his scientific diet? One study says kids who act up in school need to be drugged, another study says no place them in a low stimulant enviroment. Phychology says telling you child no hurts their self esteem, wait, now you have to set boundries.
See, I am as sceptical of science with it's continuing parade of "oops we were wrong on that" issues as you are on a collection or rules that has guided societies for 3000+ years "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:49 PM:
" Rhodie,
Saying that homosexual sex is wrong or against God DOES stigmatize gays. How is it possible that you do not see this? And for what?"
Sorry Voter, I wasn't ignoring your posts, there's just so much I think I'm only saying half of what I want to.
I believe in free will. I believe God gave us the ability to choose right from wrong. I am predisposed twords anger. In the 10th grade I shattered my hand out of frustration with something that was in reality, stupid. I'm sure that if you compared my brain makeup with some badies in jail we'd share a lot of commonalities. I choose to control that side of my personality. To be blunt my sex drive still thinks I'm 18, my wife's is considerably lower. Do I act on what my biology is telling me to do? No, because my body is not my boss. Am I the one living the lie? No, I choose to live above my instincts. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:41 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:41 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:35 PM:
Saying that homosexual sex is wrong or against God DOES stigmatize gays. How is it possible that you do not see this? And for what? A few verses in an ancient text based on erroneous assumptions? Could it just be that the thought of gay sex repulses you, so therefore you look for reinforcement that it is "bad"?
I am not questioning your spirituality, which is universal throughout all cultural customs, only your dogma. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:34 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:29 PM:
I do however respect your beliefs. AND I do love your religious views and your love of God. Your blogs are refreshing to read. I thank you for sharing.
God Bless You. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:24 PM:
Somewhere in here I tried to get the opposing side to list some of the things they found deviated from their moral compass but I never saw that listing. "
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:19 PM:
I agree. I AGREE 100%. Thank you Rhodie for sharing. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:18 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:10 PM:
So which laws do we follow. Jesus gave us only one and it was an easy one. Love God, Love self and Love neighbor. After this all the other laws fall into place. This is the only test I have as to who I call a brother or sister in Christ. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:07 PM:
So which laws do you follow and which ones don't you? That is for you and your religious leaders to decided. I Catholic school in the 90's it was explained to us by the Bishop that most of the laws written in the old Testimant were written as a way to establish, build and continue the Hebrew Culture which was based on a belief in God. So you say they built their culture on selling thier daughters off for sex. No, as I stated many times, they sold their daughters off so they would have rights and be protected by the Hebrew Laws. Hebrew women of the day could file complaints about their husbands and the husbands, if found guilty, could be beaten, jailed, fined or even sold into slavery themselves. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:00 PM:
So for those who are interested, and the fuel for all the debate here, do I think homosexuals will get into Heaven? Well, I don't know, what else have they done in their life? Do they believe in Jesus or is their life based on loving good, loving self and loving neighbor? I'd rather go to heaven with a million homosexuals who are joyful to the Lord that one fellow Catholic who is bitter and wears their faith like a burden.
Billy, you keep wanting me to take the Bible in a bit by bit explination. It can't be done. It is a singular work and must be taken as a singular work. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:52 PM:
So when I say I believe in the Bible, it is not an abstract concept. It is something I believe in because I have felt the power that inspired it working in my life.
So what is the Bible? It is the living word of God. While some have twisted and distorted parts and bits, it is still the word of God. There are many versions of the Bible from King James to New American to whatever else you think of, even Klingon. These are different pronounciations of the same living Word. Is it "creek" or "Crik"? It is still the same thing no matter how you say it. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:45 PM:
Over two years I had more than 40 dreams with the same person, always PG rated. The last one was on a retreat in December just a month before the two years was up. I was giving her a shoulder rub. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:40 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 7:08 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:56 PM:
He looks just like Lord Voldemort. I kid you not. Youtube him... He is a dead ringer for him. I thought you might find that interesting.
Maybe a Patronious Charm would be in order. "
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:37 PM:
I am asking you to share any knowledge you have. This is not a test, nor is it a game.
I have never been able to understand who gets to pick what is God's Law. I thought you said you were Catholic. I remember when eating meat on Friday was a sin. Now it is not. I remember when Sunday was the Lord's Day. Now going to church on Saturday is ok instead.
What gives man the right to mess with the WORD of God?? "
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:31 PM:
When one uses Leviticus to condem homosexuality, why can I not condemn football for handling pigskin. (Now heaven forbid, because I am the BIGGEST football fan ever.)
That is one thing no one has been able to explain to me logically. I also have to say that went to the University of Santa Clara, a Jesuit Catholic college. "
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:26 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:33 PM:
(applause) "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:31 PM:
Attempting to sound believable while insisting that the bible doesn't actually say those things is something else altogether. Claiming they must be interpreted is a curious spin; it implies the word of the bible is not absolute.
The person who claims the bible doesn't say those violent things loses all credibility and when it is said that passages are either to be ignored or interpreted so as to change their meaning, it reduces the entile biblical work to suspect status or as merely mythological literature.
It's true or it's not.
It isn't stew.
It is being used as an excuse to oppress, subjugate and sometimes KILL people.
When the bible says certain people must put to death, is the bible wrong?
Going back to one of your earliest posts here, what other biblical texts should be ignored? "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:09 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:08 PM:
The best way I could possibly have described it is in my post to you:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:34 PM:
" Well Rhodie; we are at The Great Impasse; the point in a discussion at which both parties fully understand what the other is saying, but one of them (in this case, you) cannot say what obviously needs to be said before the talk can continue to the next level.
You have been reduced to talking in circles and to distract, because the only avenue left in which you can make forward headway requires you to state that the bible is in error or that at least portions of it are fiction or no longer apply.
You can keep stalling by making stew analogies, you can keep asking hypothetical questions, but you cannot move forward until you acknowledge the inherent flaws in insisting the entire bible is perfect and always will be - it's not and you know it. " "
voter wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:00 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:13 PM:
"I have learned today that buying daughters for use as servants is still considered righteous and godly. The sex part is still on IF the purchaser marries the purchasee."
Then you are only reading what you want to read. Interpriting it with only your interpritation in mind and oblivious to the reality of the explinations. Completely skipping over that at the time this was one way to give women rights that, without, would lead to their starvation.
You are blindly grabbing the elephant's trunk and saying it looks like a snake because that is all you have experianced and all you comprehend of it. I am trying to tell you what I have experieanced but you only will acknowledge what you have felt because that is all that makes sense to you. This is not a put down, we all can only interprit the world with what we have experianced. Someone who has always had money cannot comprehend what it is to not have money. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:30 PM:
You act like it was MY idea, rev.
Maybe you should have actually read more of the bible before you made such a grandstand production of claiming to believe it and abide by all of it yourself.
Do you get animals from the shelter to kill and burn for God or do you breed them for the specific purpose of killing and burning them? In either case, do you have your kids (whom you claim to have fathered yourself - what a big boy you are!) stand around and pray while you kill the animal? Or are they excused and can just enjoy a whiff of the holy smoke? I'm guessing you make them hold the animal while you kill it. Kids learn Godliness the more closely they're involved, right? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:23 PM:
I have learned today that buying daughters for use as servants is still considered righteous and godly. The sex part is still on IF the purchaser marries the purchasee. You prolly wouldn't need the marriage part. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:50 PM:
OK, given your personality, I wasn't really surprised at all. I guess I was more amused.
Like I said, I knew you would be back the minute you gave your word that you would stay away. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:42 PM:
" "Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:10 PM:
Say nothing then while you imagine biblical sex with your daughter"
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yep. you people are pillars of all things pure and true.
what a joke.
remember, i will "remind you" in the next blogs about your billy "allegiance" "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:38 PM:
Since this is, so you claim, the REAL biblical quote, how much would you demand for YOUR daughter when you sell her to be one of several sex-providing wife-thingies? "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:37 PM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:36 PM:
A leopard cannot change its spots. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:35 PM:
putting a little period on the end of your sentence ivan, your sick and twisted with your suggested "curiosity" comment. that methodology is pure leonardism. implying sick garbage in your weak attempt at discredidation.
you don't outright condemn billy, because you demonstrate that you inadvertantly swim in the same river.
take a hike "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:28 PM:
i noticed you still count my reason for being in here more egregious than billy telling me and rhodie to sell our daughters into sexual slavery.
look, since you cannot get yourself to do the right thing in life because, well, you really don't have integrity, then fine. as long as you want, i will make sure i seperate you from your words to demonstrate you have no honor.
as you can see, i have lot more gas in the tank. i will be back later tonight to expose your hypocrisy if you continue to show a lack thereof.
or you can tell billy that what he said was unacceptable
you won't, because your "pretending" "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:28 PM:
At least I got the trash out, placed the five phone calls to get replacement parts, soccer schedule and gym dues straightened out.
Bathrooms, somebody remind me. I've got to remember to clean the three bathrooms tomorrow too before driving to Tracy to drop off two ot the three to my wife so she can taken them south as she starts near continual travel through to Decemember. There's the real reason I can't have a job, she travels so much I'd never be able to take that much time off so we'd have to hire a nanny to raise our kids. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:18 PM:
and what, live in YOUR "humanity", where perversion of everything you touch is acceptable?
NO THANKS
no billy, i don't have to lie about myself, what my position is in life, nor do i have to lie about what others say, or who they are...
that's your sickness
telling rhodie to sell his daughter into sexual slavery. your not human, you live in the anything goes animal realm "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:15 PM:
Anything that you have to twist and turn like that to explain is probably a lie.
I just wanted to be sure that we were all on the same page here. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 1:02 PM:
Silence does not equate to agreement. How dare you say otherwise").
i wasn't talking about you, as i stated i know where you stand on the billy issue. you are not called to take it to the level i do with billy. i understand that, and have no problem with you over this issue.
my "silence" comments were aimed at those who say they are Christians in here, that won't condemn what billy said, but will say something to me.
"they" will continue to support him, no matter the depth of his depravity. i was demonstrating that "them" (not you and rhodie) can't pick truth over people to save their life, or are straight up hypocrites when they call themselves "followers of Christ". followers of Christ will stand up for the truth. like i said from the others.....silence.....followed by future high fiving of billy's evil.
Jesus drew a line in the sand and said "you are either for me, or against me"
true followers of Christ don't aid high five evil, that's a fact
their refusal emboldens billy, and it will get worse "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:54 PM:
I thought you didn't want holy scripture called lies, Rev? Have you changed your mind again? Have you decided that biblical text is now "lies"?
Welcome to the real world, then.
Cast off your old insanity and fantasy. See the earth for what it is and take your rightful place amongst humanity. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:50 PM:
Don't look now, Reverend Fruit Cake, but you just called your own scripture evil trash)"..
laughing. i was talking about you, and the trash that so easily spills from the model of justification.
your a low life that you would have to lie about what i DID say.
it's your display of your worst moment of desperation, when you resort to having to twist my words and lie about what i do say.
it's what you have become.
oh, your a good guy though (laughing) "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:50 PM:
Reverend, you must have written YOUR bible yourself so it says what YOU want it to say. The REAL bible is full of Godly incest and Godlike hate and God-ordered killing and Godful mutilation and Holy baby butchering and sanctified smashing of brains and worshipful sacrifices.
Have you ever stayed in a motel, Reverend? You can read a real Gideon bible in every motel room in this country. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:46 PM:
isn't about rejection.
if you knew me in person, i have mad respect for people that disagree with me. what IS the issue, is what i have always maintained is worth fighting over in here.....the value of Gods word/authority, and those who would fight against it. when someone like billy roams free spreading his lies, "we" are not supposed to sit there and let it happen. the whole reason we as Christians are in a place of defense, is because we have sat back and watched as the billy's of the world go unchallenged. not anymore. you can, but it is totally worth it to go this distance. the billy fan club also gets to realize that sitting on the fence gets you nowhere, and that "claims" are worthless as compared to action..
anyway, as you know, there times were battle is appropriate, and that time is now.
it's ok, i am not afraid of doing the dirty work.
i call evil, evil "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:36 PM:
Don't look now, Reverend Fruit Cake, but you just called your own scripture evil trash. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:34 PM:
You have been reduced to talking in circles and to distract, because the only avenue left in which you can make forward headway requires you to state that the bible is in error or that at least portions of it are fiction or no longer apply.
You can keep stalling by making stew analogies, you can keep asking hypothetical questions, but you cannot move forward until you acknowledge the inherent flaws in insisting the entire bible is perfect and always will be - it's not and you know it. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:32 PM:
of course you did, and you still don't condemn his evil trash.
ya. billy is a nice guy who is only here to expose the hypocrites and stand up for gay rights.
high fiving perversion. good job people.
in this instance, silence speaks volumnes about who you really are.
if billy can expose the hypocrites and that's not evil, so can i "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:32 PM:
But in some cases it is best to remember Jesus' words in Luke 9, 5: And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them."
If words are falling on deaf ears, say you are done and walk away, it is on them if you have put the effort in. IF someone is still listening to you then you keep sharing. I am not posting here for Billy and his masters (whatever forces drive him) or even you and your masters. I am posting here because I believe there are some that are still willing to discuss Biblical principles in a spirit of learning and understanding. Poinsoning the well to stop one or two you (and I) disagree with can also bring down everyone else gathered.
So if no one wants to hear from me, I'll walk from this post, keeping the dust since I don't feel I or my interpritations were outright rejected by most. Discussion breeds sanity. "
WY wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:26 PM:
Metric Time System wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:11 PM:
I call sin - sin. Hell is the reward for the unregenerate. No apologies. I tell it the way it is and let the Holy Spirit do His work as He wills. To go past calling out sin to personal name calling is less than valueless.
You don't like my approach because unlike you, I realize ranting endlessly in conversations that have died days ago is a waste of time. Is the best use of your God given time to verbally battle those who have rejected what you have already said?
Silence does not equate to agreement. How dare you say otherwise. Look at Jesus when He was arrested, accused, tortured, and put to death. Did He rant on and on? "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:06 PM:
your doing excellant. keep it up. if nothing else, for the sake of the real truth.
one is always supposed to pick truth over people or results. you pick the truth, and allow truth to devide whose side they are really on "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:01 PM:
"convinced" isn't the same as we know with 100% certainty. thru whatever efforts they could throw at it, they couldn't comnnect the dots with 100% certainty. plus, their email to me contained the words "we are reasonaably sure". not 100%. i STILL have that email. plus in the email, the lns admits there was something going on as well. i STILL have that email.
like i said when people like you challenged my descision, i trust my gut about what happened, and my gut STILL tells me there was something fishy going on the whole time, and one of those two lied about their involement. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:52 AM:
I'm trying to keep it informative but if no one cares I'll stop. For this thread, just wanted that to be clear so no misunderstandings about me going away exist. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:52 AM:
Let me just say this as simply as I can.
It is wrong to have sex with your children. No ifs ands or buts.
I hope that answers your question. ")>
"curiousity". leave it to you to twist what DID happen, and turn it into something I did. thats sick also, but expected of you ivan. it's familia DNA
no, it DOESN'T answer my question, and don't play with me ivan. you can see i am a little fired up today, and i am NOT in the mood for your cover your backside tactics.
you DIDN'T straight up condemn BILLY for what he said, and you need to do that. if you are a man of honor, you will address him about what he said is unaccepatable.
you continuing to demonstrate your inability to pick truth over people shows your lack of "honor".
like i said, you people give a free pass to billy over this issue, you-will-pay-the-price-for-doing-it. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:50 AM:
What, am I chopped liver, didn't I show this to be the case with the postings
Aug 21, 2008 12:11 AM:
Aug 21, 2008 12:27 AM
To sum it up, Lot's daughters had sex with him while he was passed out: The result of that action was the offspring descendents grew to be against the Hebrews (and in one case tried to have them cursed) which I think we can all agree would indicate that sex with your father is bad and results in bad consequences. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:46 AM:
I certainly don't remember any bet hedging about "having something to do with"?
Since the News Sentinel confirmed that Sam was not Real_Facts, should you not, then, have left for good?
Are you a man of your word or are you not? This seems like a simple question but only you can answer it through your actions. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:41 AM:
your not confused, but your innocent act of what i said self indicts you as a person of "non-honor".
you read that i knew i was right, that sam had something to do with that real_facts rediculousness, and THATS why i came back. i left on the premise that i was wrong, and honored my word that i would. after leaving and weighing it out, i wasn't, and THAT gave me an in to come back in here without any damage to my integrity.
you read that i explained that. feel free to lie that you didn't. the "innocent act" and "forgetfulness" runs in the family "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:41 AM:
Ephesians 5, 25: "For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her 26 to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of Gods word.[b] 27 He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault. 28 In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself."
Godly men, which were who ancient Hebrews were allowed to sell their daughters to were bound to this new testiment ideal. The value that a husband treat his wife with the same love honor and respect he has for himself goes back to Genises "This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one." "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:38 AM:
Let me just say this as simply as I can.
It is wrong to have sex with your children. No ifs ands or buts.
I hope that answers your question. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:36 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:36 AM:
agenda/people over truth.. there is a TON of "honor" in that...
puke "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:34 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:32 AM:
You promised to leave and never return and yet here you are.
A man's honor is only as good as his word").
you DO know the real facts, and you distorted in an attempt to silence me. you read what i wrote about why i am in here, after saying i would leave, and no, you wouldn't know what "honor" is, because men of honor don't have to resort to lying to solidify their position(s) in life.
you don't realize it yet even at your age, but you are going to pay a heavy price for teaching leonard that premise.
i guarantee that 548% "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:30 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:25 AM:
God certainly doesn't have a problem calling evil, evil. do you? because thats what I do
i have a good way to make it "not about me", and turn it into the truth....look what he said to rhodie, asking rhodie to sell his daughter into sexual slavery.
now you tell me billy isn't evil, and "nice" is the way to handle his God-hating garbage "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:24 AM:
" OK, Rhodie.
You win.
You have a handle on the "refreshed" bible."
Actualy I was just trying to refresh the passage you quote anti-religiously in an effort to simplify things for our viewing audience. I thought it would be easier to bring the quote up here so no one had to scroll down and hunt for it. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:21 AM:
Well, let's see, IF we were living 3000 years ago when women had no rights, no voice and, if not married stood the very real chance of starving to death AND my only possibility of preserving her life was "Sell" her to a man who is compelled by LAW to treat her with every right a married woman was granted then I would, oh wait, I don't live in that time, women have the same rights as man which NEGATES the need for THIS option.
You are ascribing 21st century understandings to a 4-5000 year old edict which, as stated, was enacted to PROTECT the women from starvation.
Which would you choose Billy, death for your child or every right afforded to women? "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:20 AM:
You promised to leave and never return and yet here you are.
A man's honor is only as good as his word. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:18 AM:
nope, YOU said it.....----> to "them" "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:15 AM:
You may describe it how ever you wish").
no, thats how YOU described it.
i copied YOUR words exactly to demonstrate what a liar you are ....."i am only here to expose the hypocrites".
nope billy, your true heinous is now displayed for all the people in here that claim they are Christians, as you insulted THEM. you called what they claim to love "trash".
now what are you going to do, deny you said it, twist my words and blame me for YOUR lie?
not quite.
oh ya, your going to own it via me, the flyswatter "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:07 AM:
You win.
You have a handle on the "refreshed" bible.
Just so I have my facts right for next time this issue arrises, according to you, you are able to sell your daughter as a servant (not to be confused with "slave"), who will be one of possibly several such purchased servants (not slaves), who will perform "wifely" duties. She can be sold, too.
Now, then.
Since this is, so you claim, the REAL biblical quote, how much would you demand for YOUR daughter when you sell her to be one of several sex-providing wife-thingies?
Remember, it's moral.
It's biblical.
It's Godly.
And you said it. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:07 AM:
I see, so your comments are literal and only what you say but us Christians use double talk and one word to mean another? Is that what you are saying?
Oh and, to clarify, you think I'm useless for taking care of my family, doing homework with them and being a parent to them. Are you saying that if you and your partner (unsure if spouse is the right word since I do not know your relationship status, I'm new here) were to adopt kids that you would continue working at the pace you currently do or would you assess time with family vs more things.
"Since I'm not a "stay-at-home" dad who has someone else paying my way and I have to work (TWO shifts if you recall)"
I work three shift, no vacations a year and when I travel I take my work with me. It is a calling to me, not a job. Are you that devoted to your job that you would live, sleep and take it with you everywhere you go? "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 11:03 AM:
FYI, i didn't aim my comments at you, and in fact noted that you WEREN'T in my "sights", by noting you actually on occasion take a stand.
but thanks for giving the impression for me being the bad guy to the others in here. thats nice. whose side are you on anyway? it certainly wasn't the truth's side you were on when you made that comment to me.
the guy tells me to go have sex with my daughter using Gods word, and you jump me?
get your priorities right metric, by getting a handle on what's going on in here.
you inadvertantly just aided and abetted the enemy. you either as a believer work to stop it, or your an accessory to the crime OF it.
which is it? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:58 AM:
"b. He shall let her be redeemed: If her master did not marry her, or decided not to give her to his son, the master was still obligated to respect her rights under God's law.
c. He shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights: The idea of women - and women of lower classes - having such rights, respected by God and society was revolutionary in an age when women were usually regarded as property.
Si, Billy, what you see as a dispicable quote from the Bible saying you can sell your daughters to sex, is actually you can sell your daughters to marriage. It establishes they have rights, which as quoted above, was just not done in the era that it was written.
So where you see sexual abominations by Christians is actually the Hebrew people giving more rights to women than a society had up until that point. Would you rather that women not have been given the right to buy clothes for themselves, food for family or even own their own land? Only Married women of that era cold do those things. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:58 AM:
Back to the matter, you wanted someone to place the scriptures in front of you again so you could again say they don't mean what they say and quoting the bible is mean-spirited and this, of course, would be just before you told us all again how the bible is all true blah blah blah and sin sin sin and immoral blah blah blah.
*yawn* "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:52 AM:
Let's refresh it: "And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.
a. If a man sells his daughter to be a female slave: The maid-servant was bought, but not really to be a slave, but to be the master's wife or the wife of the master's son one day.
quoted from http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0221.htm "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:43 AM:
A man's honor is only as good as his word ").
look, i know your leonards father, and that being prone to "forgetfulness" is in the family DNA, but you know why i came back in here, and you know it DIDN'T compromise my integrity.
feel free to lie about it though. thats what people in your family tree evidently resort to when they don't like somebody.
BTW lenny sr, i noticed you didn't say anything to billy about me having sex with my daughter, so that means you approve?
your barometer of life is stellar.
thanks for playing.
next? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:41 AM:
Since I'm not a "stay-at-home" dad who has someone else paying my way and I have to work (TWO shifts if you recall)
Billy Rubin wrote
" In fact, Rhodie, why not turn off Good Day Sacramento and find those scriptures."
Actually i was doing the laundry, three kids tend to go through a lot of clothes. I also had breakfast dishes and the lawn to mow. Taking an early lunch today after all, when the kids get home I have homework to help with, the laundry to fold, two soccer teams to coach, cook dinner and clean out the rat's cage. Fortunately vacuming the house can wait until tomorrow, after I dust, sweep out the garage and, oh yeah, pick up after three kids like I do every day.
I'm so sorry you think stay at home parents are useless. I guess could get a job but then we'd have to pay for child care for three and that would eat most of a paycheck. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 10:10 AM:
Come on Rubin! You're ridiculous!"
Why does a bible quote make me ridiculous? Is it a bible quote? Perhaps it makes the bible look ridiculous and the scales fell from your eyes. "
Metric Time System wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:44 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:40 AM:
You may describe it how ever you wish. "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:39 AM:
A man's honor is only as good as his word "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:27 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:21 AM:
I understand your need to lash out, but calling me names won't change the bible.
Have you ever considered taking a class that studies the bible as literature, rather than saddling yourself with the torment and contradictions associated with trying to force yourself against your better judgment to believe every word in it is true?
Did I just say "better judgment"? LOL! What was I thinking?! "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:21 AM:
Say nothing then while you imagine biblical sex with your daughter" "
Aimee wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:21 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:18 AM:
Hmm, no, I don't know Sam's husband and I have never heard him spew the hate you spew and then you call it holy").
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you said it to him, and EVERYONE else that believes the bible.
your sick twisted perversion that you "culled" out of the bible doesn't just apply to me "if" it says it as your perversion claims....it applies to EVERYONE that reads it and believes it.
right now your so full of crap, flies refuse to land on what your selling
low life
yea. your a great advocate for gay rights (puke). actually, your the POSTER BOY of why homosexuality IS a perversion. eventually left unchecked, the perversion filters down into EVERYTHING else.
now you a bottom feeder "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:09 AM:
the bible is a piece of trash?
yea, your only aim is at "hypocritical Christians". your a lying pervert
rhodie and metric not withstanding (because they actually DO take a stand against billy)......if i catch anyone of you saying NOTHING about what billy said, and you go so far as to high five him, i will make sure that you pay the price for not doing so.
you think i got a little heated in past blogs, you haven't seen anything yet. i am fed up with this garbage, and i will either put a stop to it, or get kicked out of the LNS blogs for doing it.
------> I DON'T CARE.
now you either condemn his words, or i will make it my "pleasure" to treat you as my personal science project until you do. in this blog, and in EVERY future blog.
that's a promise "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:05 AM:
Hmm, no, I don't know Sam's husband and I have never heard him spew the hate you spew and then you call it holy.
No, Reverend, you're the one who alternately says the bible is false and you can't repeat what it says or stand for anyone ELSE to quote it, or you say it's all true and everyone must suffer and burn until their skin crackles off like pork rinds and you can't wait for it to happen.
You, reverend, are a nut and your psychosis needs exposure. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:00 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:58 AM:
Since I'm not a "stay-at-home" dad who has someone else paying my way and I have to work (TWO shifts if you recall), I can't take time to find it and re-post it for you. During the commercial break on Oprah you can scroll down and find the chapter and verse yourself. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:47 AM:
It is then your position that sex with your daughter, a la Lott, is, to use your own word, "pure"? "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:41 AM:
Say nothing then while you imagine biblical sex with your daughter. " "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:37 AM:
oh, i dunno. maybe it had something to do with you telling me to go have sex with my daughter.
you don't EVER go that far in life. you only can, because that IS your life. PERVERTED
the bible does not say or advocate it, and your as sick and twisted as it possibly gets, you sick-twisted pervert.
your the lowest of the low, but one thing i DID notice, sam the "pretend" Christian didn't say SQUAT about you assasinating HER beloved "God", nor you telling me to have sex with my daughter.
you inadvertantly said the same thing to HER husband, that he should go have sex with HIS daughter. because afterall, they-believe-the=bible.
it's equally disgusting that SHE can't straight away condemn your sickness. when she is silent about it, she inadvertantly high fives it, and becomes an accessory to the crime OF it. that's equally sick
yea. she "loves" her Lord (what a joke) "
Metric Time System wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:11 AM:
(Judas)went away and hanged himself
you shall do likewise
what you do, do quickly
All quotes from different parts of the Bible. Does it make it true that we all must quickly go out and kill ourselves? Is that what God is saying?
Come on Rubin! You're ridiculous! "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:00 AM:
Maybe you could use an on-line version if the ink is too smeared to read yours.
The bible really does say you can sell your daughter to the highest bidder."
IT's a big book, Billy could you please referance a chapter and verse for us. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:39 AM:
It's YOUR BIBLE that says those things. I didn't make them up, I just quoted them.
Maybe you could use an on-line version if the ink is too smeared to read yours.
The bible really does say you can sell your daughter to the highest bidder.
On the bright side, that means you could BUY someone ELSE'S son or daughter for yourself. Wouldn't that make you feel better? "
sam wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:27 AM:
Boy, you read my mind. I was just going to ask you why he is not with you. What a hard decision. I am so happy to hear you are still in touch. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:43 AM:
this is the one that i will replicate over and over in here that your "just a good guy".
you sick twisted pervert "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:37 AM:
your a liar. you know i never said that. i NEVER said i got kicked out of any church. i never have in my entire life you liar.
your a bottom feeder in life because of lies like this.
but "they" support you. you deserve "compassion" because your a good guy. ------> (puke) "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:30 AM:
" Sorry Sam and Wy I failed to clarify the facing the consequences was for people who "Choose" an action, not for the victim's of someone else's action. I tried to make this point with the diabeties comparison but obviously failed").
you didn't fail. they know full well that your analogy was perfect, yet they still turn a blind eye to it. if they admit your right, then they also have to admit God defines morality, not them, and adjust accordingly. thus their futile denial of the truth.
forget the subject matter, you would have to be assigned by the state to be in a mental institution for legitemately being out of your mind, so as to not understand risks/choices determine where you end up.
"they" understand that perfectly "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:29 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:27 AM:
And the other duaghters offspring yielded the Ammonites which Wikipedia says "When the Israelites of the Exodus paused before their territory, the Ammonites prohibited them from passing through their lands. For this act, they were denied entry into "the congregation of the Lord"
So both the offspring of the rape of an elderly man by his daughers yielded people who were hostile twords the Hebrews.
So, Billy, you may want to stop using this justification because the Bible says if you have the sex then the results will be bad, it does not condone it. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:16 AM:
tomorrow, i am going to make sure you pay for your TRUE heinous.
tomorrow, i am going to "remind" all the "Christians" in here that you straight up mocked the bible, supposedly what "they" believe. you didn't mock me or hypocrites like you lie and tell them you do.....you mocked "them" as well because they say they believe it also.
one of these days, people will actually pick truth over people, and see you for what you truly are.
you would think that would be a slam dunk because billy rubin DIDN'T die for your sins, and would destroy the one who did
because of you billy, now i am fired up
you should crawl under a rock tomorrow "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:11 AM:
For those who missed the section of the Bible Billy is refering to it is the end of Chapter 19. Lot did not go to bed with his daughers, nor did he attempt to have sex with them. The daughters got him drunk til he passed out and then had sex with him.
Someone more versed in ancient Jewish customs may be able to correct me here but my understanding is that women had no rights in that society. Only Male children passed on the family name and honor. So these two daughters took dishohor so the liniage of Lot could go on, which in the culture 3000 years ago was highly valued.
If you're looking for quick confirmation of these verses thrown out then http://bibleresources.bible.com/index.php is a quick look. "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:08 AM:
nope, it wasn't fair that freddie mercury got aids. just not fair
wherever you find yourself at the end of your choices, one things for sure, you can't blame Christians "
real facts wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:02 AM:
" Reverend wrote:""it" has NEVER been acceptable, nor will "it" ever be."
David and Jonothan").
nope. unlike your version of "love", in the original language, all the words and actions of david/jonathon was "brotherly love". ----->NON SEXUAL
absoulutely 100% non-homosexual. pretty much the highest level of love two men can reach sans the sexual element.
you have been reading homosexual desperation/justification websites (lol)
much as you would like, there isn't one instance of the bible high fiving homosexual sex.
your a hypocrite though. first you mock the bible, and attempt to use it against me (didn't work). now your using it to validate you? (laughing).
what a pathetic corner you have painted yourself into "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 PM:
That weak small voice you heard was what's left of your own battered conscience saying "Hypocrite...".
Sorry, Billy, I assumed you would take the oppertunity to point out the contraction between my current beliefs and my barely 20 behaviors. At some point I MAY have to atone for doing what I knew was wrong, but in the meanwhile I am satisfied she and I dealt with the situation as best we could and a couple in the Midwest who couldn't have children now has a teenage boy who protects his big sister from bullies (open adoption, we get letters once a year). "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 PM:
Christians and their truth allergies.
Aren't they cute? "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 PM:
DO IT "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:54 PM:
It is then your position that sex with your daughter, a la Lott, is, to use your own word, "pure"?").
Selling your daughter to the highest bidder so she may "pleasure" him or his son, is, to use your word again, "pure"?
Do I understand you? )".
maybe sometime you won't purposefully lie via intentional ommision. ok, you won't, because your heart is sick
since your quite the bible scholar, tell me now what happened to lot for doing that, and anybody else that sold their daughter into sexual slavery?
God punshished them for doing so. God doesn't advocate that garbage, even though your evil heart wished it was so.
whats evil about someone like you is taking PARTIAL text and perverting it, WITHOUT replicating the WHOLE story.
whenever man sinned, EVENTUALLY he took them to task over it. lot paid the price for doing it, and so did everyone else. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:48 PM:
David and Jonothan. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:47 PM:
Why would you say such a thing? You and reverend iron panties are the uptight righteous ones who swoon dead away at the thought of a naked human being and start yelling SIN! SIN! SIN! at the tops of your lungs. It has been you who have dispensed your Christian judgement upon the others for being human.
Sorry, Rhodie. You get a pass from me.
That weak small voice you heard was what's left of your own battered conscience saying "Hypocrite...". "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:43 PM:
really? not quite. i already read "who wins 101" and it doesn't include you in your evil state. desperate as you are to justify your lack of self control, "it" has NEVER been acceptable, nor will "it" ever be. God has compassion on sinners, but NOT on willful un-repentant evil (like you). since the end times has ALREADY been written, people like you that mock God gather steam and proliferate, only to be defeated once and for all, and not in a "compassionate way".
history-already-written. sorry billy, you don't win. your welcome to graduate summa slum futility if you CHOOSE.
"gays + death". yes, in as far as "they" remain in their sin and refuse to repent and REJECT Jesus Christ, SAME as anyone else on any matter of rebellion. trouble is, your desperation demands that you lie about my position knowing EXACTLY what i said/mean't.
nope, your losing (even if i never speak another word) "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 PM:
It is then your position that sex with your daughter, a la Lott, is, to use your own word, "pure"?
Selling your daughter to the highest bidder so she may "pleasure" him or his son, is, to use your word again, "pure"?
Do I understand you? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:38 PM:
If someone is raped (or spouse gives it to them, or through an accidental blood transfussion) and given AIDS then they are a victim, young or old. But if a person engages in high risk behavior knowing what the result COULD be then they choose to face the possible consequences.
Just as like my wife and I had premarital sex (Billy's going to have a field day with that I know). We knew the consequences and the possibilities. We ended up facing a pregnancy. He is now 14 and living in teh midwest somewhere. We had to face the consequence of our action.
The difference for me is the "to choose" aspect. IF you choose a behavior then the result is a consequence, if someone else's behavior is forced on you then you are a victim. There is of course grayer areas in there that will probably be pointed out. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:36 PM:
I'm asking YOU.
Does it or doesn't it? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:35 PM:
Sincerely, I don't have a clue what tormented church you attend now. You said before you were kicked out of your last one and needed to find somewhere new. I always assumed you settled at some Kool-Aid drinking, snake handling "church" where you could roll on the floor while talking gibberish. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:28 PM:
whoever did what to you in the "name of god" doesn't mean you can get away with your sick evil garbage. you will still answer for perverting God....and "pretending" your a "good guy"
not the most twisted and evil i have encountered.....but close.
and no, the bible doesn't teach what you purport.
your still a not man enough to answer my question, because well.....your not a man to begin with.
whats that place in colorado again? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:28 PM:
You can't even QUOTE YOUR BOOK, CAN YOU?
How lame are you, when you can't even FORCE yourself to admit what YOUR OWN PROFESSED SCRIPTURES SAY?
After all this time, you STILL can't say it.
Well, lucky for you, I CAN!
YOU are a lying hypocrite.
YOUR BOOKSAYS YOU CAN SELL YOUR DAUGHTER INTOP SEXUAL SLAVERY.
YOUR BOOK SAYS YOU MUST KILL YOUR FAVORITE ANIMAL AND BLEED IT OUT AND BURN THE CORPSE FOR GOD.
DO IT. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:28 PM:
AIDS is not a gay disease. NO ONE DESERVES IT. "
sam wrote
" Rhodie, I have unprotected sex with my spouse and I DO NOT DESERVE AIDS... nor should it be considered a consequence of my actions. "
Rhodie wrote:
Actually, I think we worked out that "deserved" was the wrong wording and "facing/faced the consequences of his/her choices" was more appropriate. Just like if I pig out on junk food for the next ten years I would face the consequence of my diabeties. "
Boy used the wholespace just to get it fresh from everything else. Now I can clarify, on the next page. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:24 PM:
Back then you quoted that the bible says the punishement for gay sex was death. "Put to death" is what the bible says.
Now you have some idiotic flap trying to cover your stupidity, saying "death doesn't mean death". You were all over gays deserving death from AIDS for years, now you're back pedaling.
Your problem, Reverend, isn't God or Jesus, it's that you'r a hateful liar whose base is crumbling out from under your cloven hooves. Make another frantic grab for Audi Metric Time Fool or Girard or Brian or Peter Stearns or Fields or Rhodie and try another high five. Your battle will be lost. Maybe not on this blog, or this year or in my lifetime - but you will lose and real compassion will win. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:21 PM:
your a good guy though (even though you are completely mocking God and his word).
the "Christians" ------> WY, sam, lodian, nylodian, etc., won't say squat to you.
your such a liar that you "only mock hypocrites of religion". your pure evil lie. you just mocked God and his word, and all those who claim to love him AND his word.
your as pathetic as pathetic gets. that's established. whats worse is "they" will still support you.
you insulted WY, SAM and the rest when you inSINuated that the bible is bogus, and if it says to "sell my daughter into sexual slavery", then that comment was aimed at them too, because they "believe it".
your a pervert in the true definition of it. .....and they don't mind at all that you mock their God, "cuz your a good guy"
PUKE "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:17 PM:
Are you saying father-daughter sex wrong? And therefore the bible is wrong?
Or are you saying it doesn't say that? 'Cause mine does.
Or are you saying you don't know what it says and you just want me to stop throwing bible facts in your face because you don't like hearing what it says? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:12 PM:
Are you saying the bible is wrong? I suspect you're trying everything (like Rhodie) to KEEP from saying the bible is wrong. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:10 PM:
you have been doing that for two years now."
Huh? What are you moaning about now?
Jeez, another one of your ignorant roadblocks. Again and again with the roadblocks. When you can't defend your hate-book, you just sit cross-legged in the road with your pig-fingers in your ears and blame me for some piece of trash that I rejected.
Fine. Suit yourself.
Say nothing then while you imagine biblical sex with your daughter. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:10 PM:
Tell us why the bible is right about selling your daughter into sexual slavery. ").
ok, so your jealous you can't have a daughter. i get that now. square peg, round hole. i get it. adam and eve, not adam and steve. thats something you DON'T get, and why you can't have a daughter. i understand a little more now how you can be so incredibly evil without a conscience. do you dress as a girl at the limp noodle because you can't have a daughter? that would explain alot of the frustration(s) of your life your "trying" to take out on me.
be that as it may, the bible DOES NOT teach that, though your sick black heart MAKES you interpret it that way. but perverting everything you touch is who you have become, so of course that what you say it says.
it doesn't "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:04 PM:
Party on, righteous Christian dude. It's awesome holy. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:01 PM:
you have been doing that for two years now.
tell you what, even though you think you "have me" via your cut-paste-pull-a-scripture-here-and-there-out-of-the-book-so-i-can-discredit-all-of-it rediculousness, i will make you a deal. you be a man of honor and debate the "choice/behavior" vs "victim designation", and i will show how you "don't" have me. deal?
i asked you first, and your not going to get away with blaiming me for your inability to be man enough to handle your business the right way
of course not, because you can't. all you can do is divert, lie and twist
SURPRISE ME "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:57 PM:
You'll be what you are no matter how you are treated. No one here expects you to act like anything but a hateful prig. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:53 PM:
Well, OK.
Tell us why the bible is right about selling your daughter into sexual slavery. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:53 PM:
maybe if you guys quit lying about my position and twisting my words, i will be nice. i was starting to, until you and sam pulled your "act"
but, if all you do is want to fight with me, keep it up.
remember, i don't have to be "nice" to evil.
btw, your not a man of few words and twisted ideaologies, you didn't take my challenge about behavior/choices vs actual victim designation. you can't defend it all of sudden after you just got done referencing it to me?
what gives? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:46 PM:
Oh, yeah? Leviticus 15:19, 24. Leviticus 18:19. There may be hope the reverend isn't wasting his time at the fast food place: Galatians 3:26-28.
No, this is for the reverend: 1 Tim 2:12.
But no doubt his favorite: Genesis19:6-8. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:30 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:28 PM:
" WY,, I am fired up. I just saw the best documentary today "Fall From Grace." it is about an insane preacher , Fred Phelps"). i know how you people play the underhanded discredidation game...you implore me to be nice in here, then you pull this garbage by lying about me"
I understand how it would happen, Reverend Fruit Cake, but nobody associated you with Fred Phelps here just now but YOU.
But you know, now that you mention it, there ARE striking similarities in your actions. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:33 PM:
HETEROsexual or homosexual
in your world, whats the difference between you and your husband, freddie mercury, and a baby in africa that got aids?
even if you and i weren't at odds, you still wouldn't answer it, because you can't.
your position is more succintly described as "how the heck did that happen?"
maybe billy rubin will weigh in.
he gets a little riled when you tell the truth about choice/risk behavior. thinks that gay people shouldn't aquire aids as a result of risky sex.
what say you billy? (i already mentioned it is the SAME with heterosexual sex, so don't twist my words) "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:20 PM:
" Rhodie, I have unprotected sex with my spouse and I DO NOT DESERVE AIDS... nor should it be considered a consequence of my actions. ").
it won't be. in fact, it's IMPOSSIBLE for you to get it sexually, so long as you remain faithful to each other, just like God designed. if either one of you has sex outside of your marriage, you engage in risk behavior. turning an impossiblity, into the possible, into a consequence BY reckless actions.
it's all about reckless behavior, and the denial thereof.
if you contracted aids while monogamous thru a bad blood transfusion, etc., you ARE a "victim".
if you contracted aids while YOU were monogamous, but your husband was not, your a "victim".
if you contracted aids because you had sex outside your marriage, your NOT a victim. your place in life was determined BY your risk behavior.
but you knew that. getting you to admit it, thats another thing. homosexual or heterosexual, makes no difference. it's whether or not it was a result of risk behavior, then the covering of those that engaged in it for agenda purposes. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:25 PM:
" "Find" me somebody to La..ooove
"find" me somebody to La..oooove
somebody...
somebody....
somebody...
somebody....
I find it odd that you would have that song on your ring tone ").
you do because you don't know the story behind it.
when my wife and i were dating, we were both obviosly "looking for love". since we both like queen, it's song about our past, and how after looking, we found each other. obviously, i am not looking for it now.
leave it to you guys to turn it into something else "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:21 PM:
" Using your politically correct phrase "facing/faced the consequences of his/her choices", please explain what choices these victims made to warrant them getting this disease.
Your baby gets AIDS. Too peronal? ok. My baby girl gets AIDS. What choice did she make that justifies her getting AIDS? ")>
you won't answer the question, but for purposes of keeping things straight in here, how about YOU explain the difference between wanton behavior vs. not having or making a choice in the matter? any subject. drugs. alcholism. over eating. wreckless driving. russian roulette. on and on and on.
you could answer that question, but it would self indict your position. people find themselves in predictaments when they "choose" to engage in behavior, where they know the risks....and don't care.
name the subject matter....they are not "victims" "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:14 PM:
you know you aimed that comment at me.
whats embarassing for you, is your faux denial.
you don't want to deal with me, thats fine. then don't pull your underhanded stuff again
ya. i'm the bad guy "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:09 PM:
" WY, this whole conversation makes me sick. How can making love with someone you cherish warrant getting AIDS").
because according to God, it's not love, it's a facsimile thereof. it's not making love, it's sex outside of Gods design where emotions are lying to each other that it's "love".
emotions and feelings CAN tell the truth. but they can also lie.
we as Gods creation do not define love. HE does. what you and others call "love", God calls sin because he condemns ANY sex outside marriage between a man and a woman. thats HIS design. he made that clear. he also made it clear that it is not love, but lust. i have a friend that left his wife for someone 20years his junior, and is trying to justify it as "love". thats garbage. he wants his thrill, and seeks to justify it.
the truth is that by design, it doesn't matter how "warm", "fuzzy" and "comitted" you are, if you are still doing something outside Gods design, it's not acceptable, just because it has a pretty "bow" wrapped around the package.
it's not love "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:08 PM:
You words, ideas, thoughts, views, loves, hates, etc, mean nothing to me. I "implore" nothing from you.
You have a nice evening. Peace out. "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:57 PM:
" WY,, I am fired up.
I just saw the best documentary today "Fall From Grace." it is about an insane preacher , Fred Phelps").
i know how you people play the underhanded discredidation game, so once again.....i COMPLETELY condemn what fred phelps says and promotes against homosexuals.
there. now you can go back to your underhanded lie that i "hate homosexuals", so you can attempt to descredit the truth i did speak.
there is one guarantee you will get from me.....you lie about me and my intent, you will never see me play "nice" when you do.
you implore me to be nice in here, then you pull this garbage by lying about me "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:50 PM:
can't speak for anyone else, but my "fixation" is on Gods authority over man in any arena of life. YOU make it JUST a "homosexual issue", because you can't get past the truth of your desperation to justify your choices that are oppposite of Gods design.
i told you guys 100 times (+/-) that pick heterosexual sex, and the penalty is still the same..ANYONE in any arena of life that lives outside Gods design eventually pays a price for doing so.
since it seems to come to issues of sex, i will replicate Gods standards on it. homo OR hetero. same with any other arena. your battle cry so as to pass legitimacy is the "hate/fixation" angle. sorry billy, that won't fly.
pick another subject matter, and i will replicate Gods word with the SAME passion over that subject matter.
well? "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:40 PM:
My frustration is over AIDS. The more it is labeled a gay disease the farther behind we go in finding a cure for it").
your frustration = your refusal to tell the WHOLE truth.
you KNOW for a fact after watching me in here for a LONG time, that i don't label aids a "gay disease". you KNOW i have gone out of my way to tie it to behavior, both heterosexual AND homosexual. but here, you try to underhandedly make me look bad, as if i insinuate that it is. this is exactly what i am talking about, as i won't sit there and play "nice" while you people pull this garbage. people get aids because they play sexual russian roulet.
you play, you pay, in ANY arena of life. little babies or ANYone that gets aids ARE victims, because they didn't do anything to aquire it. people who get aids that engage in wanton behavior have NO ONE to blame--->but themselves.
freddie mercury may have contracted aids thru HETEROsexual sex. who cares, he still passed himself around like a piece of meat, and THATS why "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:26 PM:
How the heck are you???? "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:24 PM:
My frustration is over AIDS. The more it is labeled a gay disease the farther behind we go in finding a cure for it.
It is a human disease. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:07 PM:
I recognize the tendancy for Christians to rush to protect each other, but you have missed out on the YEARS of Reverend Fruit Cake yelling and screaming that God sent AIDS to kill the gays and they deserve it because they sin.
I simply do not have it in me to forget his hate. As recently as three days ago he was STILL SAYING IT and until WY expressed outrage at the callousness of it, Reverend thought he was so-o-o-o righteous with it.
So, no. there will be no retraction coming from me, acknowledging Reverend Fruit Cakes recent change of heart.
Maybe you could explain to me the Christian fixation with sex being sin in general and homosex being sin worthy of death in particular? "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:36 PM:
I have to agree with them. "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:33 PM:
I just saw the best documentary today "Fall From Grace." it is about an insane preacher , Fred Phelps, who takes his family to soldiers' funerals to protest saying that they DESERVE TO DIE. Why? Because they fight for ALL our freedom, even gays.
It was excellent in showing how insane, how hateful, and how sick this man is. It did show how religion can cause insanity. Scary stuff. "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:29 PM:
Cute, Ring tones begging for love. JUST turn to the person next to you and show some LOVE. "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:24 PM:
Your baby gets AIDS. Too peronal? ok. My baby girl gets AIDS. What choice did she make that justifies her getting AIDS? "
WY wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:24 PM:
That makes me wanna PUKE!!!! "
WY wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:23 PM:
"find" me somebody to La..oooove
somebody...
somebody....
somebody...
somebody....
I find it odd that you would have that song on your ring tone "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:20 PM:
Do you know how most kids there are getting AIDS? Heterosexual men with AIDS have a ridiculous belief that if they have sex with a virgin, God will take their AIDS away. But the girl must to be a virgin. My friend says he is seeing rape victims as young a 18 MONTHS old used to save these men.
AIDS is not a gay disease. NO ONE DESERVES IT. "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:09 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:01 PM:
" Yes, Reverend; Freddie Mercury got, as you have so often and so eloquently pointed out, what he deserved. "
Actually, I think we worked out that "deserved" was the wrong wording and "facing/faced the consequences of his/her choices" was more appropriate. Just like if I pig out on junk food for the next ten years I would face the consequence of my diabeties. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:15 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:57 PM:
Gee, my wife calls to "Hey Mickey" and my family calls to "his name is Lancelot" from Spamalot.
I was thinking the Veggietales Oh Where is my Hairbrush for my next phone. "
OTH wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:41 PM:
I'm impressed. All those degrees do mean something. LOL "
real facts wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:04 PM:
now before you call me a hater, consider this....to this day queen is my favorite all time band. i didn't stop liking queen just because freddie was gay (or switch hitter if that makes you feel better).
i have two ring tones on my phone right now of queen. the default is "bicycle" and when my wife calls me, "somebody to love".
it would have been great had freddie controlled what controlled him. he would still be here today "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:24 PM:
bilirubin [bil-uh-roo-bin, bil-uh-roo-bin]
noun Biochemistry.
a reddish bile pigment, C33H36O6N4, resulting from the degradation of heme by reticuloendothelial cells in the liver.
Thank you educated reader. "
educated reader wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:10 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:29 AM:
WY wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:01 AM:
I thought of him as a family member. "
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:23 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:20 AM:
Aimee wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:47 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:05 AM:
sam wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:49 AM:
Nice. I agree 100%... or as Ivan would say 538%.
Thanks for sharing your "baby" history. I remember vividly the first night our oldest slept through the night. We both kept going into his room, touching him, making sure he was still breathing and alive. Babies are truly one of God's greatest gifts to us. "
WY wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:25 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:51 PM:
" i cuss sometimes when i am playing golf, and i am working on that one too."
I've never been one to cuss, just wasn't part of my nature (shocked a friend in H.S. when I said "Darn"). But when it does well up in me I do tend to rattle off "alien" cussing. Gibberish really. Went to this so the kids wouldn't be able to repeat what they heard and get in trouble.
The added benifit is the kids all know they pushed me to far when I stop talking in English. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:47 PM:
" Rhodie... I cannot even imagine someone calling me a sinner because of who I love. Being gay has got to be tough.
I also have friends who are hated because they are black. I heard one christian try to justify his dislike by saying Cain killed Able, so God marked him with darker skin because of his sin."
I can understand a little. My Church is under constant attack. Artist smear poo on important figures of my Church and call it art. Billboards are taken out that call my church leader the Anti-christ. And people just plain out despise me for being Catholic.
I think it all leads to a persecution complex. For some it must feel they are under constant attack, gays, Blacks, Christians, and Elkhorn parents. Reflecting on the posts made me realize this was probably what was happening here. I was interpriting postings as one more attack on me and responded defensively, maybe even reading more into them than there was. Oh well, guess that proves we are all human after all. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:36 PM:
My oldest, when we first moved away from college, was only 6 months. The only thing that would calm him was midnight driving. I had a nice ten mile treck that I learned, down the freeway across midtown and then up the side road and he was out. Then, of course he'd have to wake up as I tried to put him in bed and we'd go all over again. Too bad I didn't drink coffee cause I could have used it back then. "
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:59 PM:
and i am working on that one too.
as far as strength.....if you want strength and peace in life that nothing can budge, you pick God and his tRUTH over anybody or anything.
you don't, and you will be tossed around like a sailboat with no sail when the galestorms of life come. emotions, opinions and "people" cannot steer you, where only God can......right over the top of anything.
that's "power"
allegiance to the death of relatives and friends is noble, unless it involves enablement. no one else can give you eternal life, therefore no one comes before God OR his tRUTH.
you always pick God and Truth above people....always "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:54 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:52 PM:
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:39 PM:
Back outside to watch the harvest. This is such a great day to be grateful. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:37 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:33 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:28 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:18 PM:
it's simple. Truth is an incredibly easy place to come to, if one is actually interested IN the truth to begin with, then is willing to adjust TO it when faced with it. God based Truth, not secular humanism. you put yourself in a place where circumstance or people/emotions do not dictate truth, where only God and his word does, you will be able to discern tRUTH in the most difficult of circumstances. i weigh EVERYTHING biblically, and over time when you match up words, behavior and claims, you can tell who is/isn't. i can.
for example, WY said she would have sams back. thats great, but at what expense? do you pick sam over God? no. i don't pick my wife or my kids over the tRUTHS of God. if they have done something, i will have compassion for them, but i won't cover for them if they have sinned. they need to own it.
Godly discernment also means you are willing to call it what is, and your not worried about the fallout "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:29 PM:
.
.. and my guess is that he IS listening to you.
But leaving Billy out of it, I know for a fact that both WY and myself are reading your posts. I thank you for your patience. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:25 PM:
I also have friends who are hated because they are black. I heard one christian try to justify his dislike by saying Cain killed Able, so God marked him with darker skin because of his sin.
God does not make mistakes. I love that quote from WY. We are all special and children of God. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:09 PM:
Peaceful?
If by peaceful you mean do I wish to have you keep telling me I am not worth contaminating the same post as a congratulatory mesage to Sam, then, no, I don't.
If by peaceful, do I wish to keep reading messages from you calling me an immoral sinning criminal, then denying it, then no, I don't.
If by peaceful, do I wish to read how suddenly today you have become full of Christian love and want to get to know me, only to minutes later say you only want to use me, then no, I don't.
Honestly, Rhodie, I don't care what you do. Since you are apparently unable to stop yourself, you can just keep dispensing your righteous Christian judgement with Reverend Fruit Cake, Girard and Audi Metric. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:59 PM:
Oh, brother. Here goes Rhodie again on one of his "Even though I said it I didn't say what you thought I didn't say." circular logic BS traps.
Rhodie, from your first post you have used "Immorality" as the euphemism for homsexuality.
Now you disclaim it.
Your chronic lack of basic honesty is enough to send you straight to the hell you claim to fear.
WHY ARE YOU SO COMPELLED TO LIE????
WHAT IS IT WITH YOU?
YOU ARE EXACTLY LIKE REVEREND FRUITCAKE.
Wackos, both of you. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:50 PM:
You ALL have a good noght. Enjoy the Olympics. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:48 PM:
" Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:26 PM:"Had a response for Billy but decided congradulating Sam and addressing Billy didn't belong together."
...because Billy is an immoral sinning criminal who probably eats babies... "
I'm sorry Billy, do you not want to have a peaceful conversation here? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:46 PM:
The quote I believe Billy is talking about is "Immorality is a decision to sin in an ongoing manner, like shoplifting or cussing."
Nowhere in there did I refer to homosexuality. I deliberately took two things that were at the extreme. One in violation of man's laws and the other a socially frowned upon verbalization.
It is Billy who continues to associate himself by falsly saying I equate him to a shoplifter. We all place judgements on others behaviors, moral or immoral (right or wrong).
To be fair I did say we are all sinner, and this puts me, Billy and a shoplifter on the same level. It is the same level I hold all of humanity. I'm sorry that Billy is offended that I see all of humanity as equal. Maybe in the heat of the debate he's gotten my words and Real Facts confussed.
And Billy, it doesn't matter if you accept that I see you and me as equals, it is how I see the world. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:38 PM:
...because Billy is an immoral sinning criminal who probably eats babies... "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:28 PM:
Thank you. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:26 PM:
Congrats Sam. I know as a daddy with my youngest being 5 I miss my baby fixes sometimes. Nothing like bouncing a baby to sleep in your arms. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:18 PM:
Ask him to clarify that statement. I like how he talks.
And yes ... a new life... God is so wonderful... we are waste deep in harvest ... stress all around... and a new life is given to our family. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:09 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:06 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:05 PM:
And yes I have enjoyed the blog today. Today has been a good day. I met a new friend, found a penny, nabbed a pony,fix a bobo and thought about my place in this world. First and for most I've been trying to hear God's message through all this diolog. I haven't stopped thinking about how I should be towards others all day.I like the comment sam made about the contagious Christian. That's what I want to be. In a good way. Now I have to go to work and make some money. someone tell me to go to bed early tonight. The games are making me tired this time of day
Looky there... inspite of all this, a new lil life came into the world today. How cool is that!?!
Kiss the baby for me! :) "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:53 PM:
How cool is that?! Congrats to all three of them and hope mother and baby boy are healthy and starting happy!
Remember, though, gays aren't just immoral sinners to Rhodie, they're criminals. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:45 PM:
" I'll front for sam anyday."
Thank you WY. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:43 PM:
No thank you.. I like to read what you and Billy are talking about... peacefully... without hatred. It is good for my soul and I know WY is enjoying it too.
OFF TOPIC.. WE JUST HAD A BABY... 5 minutes ago... a baby boy... my nephew and his wife... YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:39 PM:
Robb wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:27 PM:
Sorry.. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:22 PM:
Wouldn't that be wonderful if loving each other was more contagious? "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:16 PM:
Rhodie said "I don't believe I have ever said any one was going to hell. That is not in my place to judge. "
Rhodie, I agree with WY. I LOVE the peacefulness you bring to this blog. Thank you.
I just got back from a dr appointment and she said the same thing... It is not her place to judge. God is the only judge."
She just got back from a mission and she is one of the most "contagious christian" I have ever met. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:39 PM:
" I have never "mocked" anyone or anything, I take offense to that comment... "
Robb wrote Aug 15, 2008 1:42 PM:
" Our father
Who art in Springfield
Homer be thy name
Thy name is known
Thy program shown
On Sky as it is on terrestrial
Give us this day our daily "D'Oh!"
And forgive Bart his trespasses
As Marge forgives thou, when thou trespass against her
And lead us straight into Moe's bar
And deliver us from Flanders
For thine is the cartoon
The Homer, the Simpsons
For ever and ever
Mmm.. Duff "
Robb wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 AM:
" Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. RAmen. "
I'm sorry Robb, what was your intent with these? "
Robb wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:31 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:17 PM:
Reverend Fruit Cake and his followers are the ones who claim I hate the bible. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:09 PM:
And what spiritual test did you put this through to determine it's accuracy? Mind you I know what you are talking about, I have a level of Discernment as well and I know the fine points of it. "
The Blimp wrote on Aug 19, 2008 2:01 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:58 PM:
" I still want to know how you get your power.How do you know these things. Like whom and who is or isn't a liar. and how you 'KNOW' someone is going to hell? you piss people off. You hurt people.
Poof! )".
i get my strength from picking God over anybody or anything in any setting or circumstance. it's cummulative. you do what i described, and no person or circumstance can knock you off any wall.
as to people, God has given me an innate ability to tell over time via weighing the evidence, who "is/isn't", and i am quick to say it once i know it. people vasilate over the Truth, because the pick people and emotions FIRST. i seperate myself from the person or the emotion and head straight for the tRUTH.
as far as going to hell, i said billy WOULD, if he continued his demeanor, a factual statement. i DIDN'T say he would for sure, because i DON'T KNOW if billy will repent before he dies. only God knows that.
i "piss people off" because i tell the truth. thats not my fault "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:51 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:50 PM:
So how about the Americans and the 200 meter run? Three in it for the Gold. That race is Tomorrow right. I may have to tevo it. Too bad I don't have tevo. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:50 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:50 PM:
" You 'gut' is wrong").
you wish that i was wrong, because i think you know sam personally, and you have a habit of covering for people, and not allowing them the ability to own the Truth of thier choices. that is not love, thats an enabler.
tell you what, if you know sam, maybe you can get her to explain her "she is a friend of the family" and "she is a member of the family" faux pas?
you asked me earlier how i got "so powerful", which to me was waaaaaay over the top when explaining my strength of position. i am NOT "powerful". i am just like you. the ONLY difference between me and you is you occasionally pick people over Truth. i NEVER do (and boy does that cost me).
at least you chided robb for his mocking of God after robb said he was a "peaceful guy". then the guy did it again AFTER you chided him. you picked tRUTH then. thats good
i trust my gut over the pressure(s) of anyone or anything. period "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:49 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:48 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:48 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:47 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:45 PM:
Poof! "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:42 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:41 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:38 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:37 PM:
I believe I agreed with you on this point. But insanity keep me sane. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:36 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:35 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:34 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:33 PM:
Too bad there isn't chat room kind of thing for the LNS. Then we could spend a few evenings offending each other and, hopefully walk away understanding each other better. We could spend a whole night on "Sinner vs departed from your moral compass" terminology and which is more accurate. "
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:31 PM:
" realfacts... you wouldn't beleive if Underscore stood in your face with the computer. You'd still call them a "liar". That's your favorit word to toss about. You don't "know" anything. but you assume alot. Your a liar too. you came back after you said you wouldn't").
what i "know", is what got me to this place of strength in my life, that i pick Truth over people, and my "gut" always tells me the tRUTH over time as i weigh words and evidence. my "gut" tells me she didn't tell the tRUTH.
i came back, because i left on the premise that i was wrong about what i said. i wasn't wrong WY, and if you front for anyone just because they are your friend, thats on you. when i came back in here today after saying i was going to take a sabbatical, i said "i don't guarantee how long". when someone is talking trash about me, like nylodian and now you, i am not going to sit and watch you mess with my character. if however you people will take a break from me, i will you. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:30 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:28 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:25 PM:
See, I knew it. Faith can not be quanitified with a yes or no. Well, only in your own heart. I can tell you what I believe, but unless you have time to read 35ish years of experences me saying yes or no has no relevance. I'm not dodging the questions, I'd like to answer every one of them to you full understanding. But after 14 years of marriage I still can't explain to my wife a certain selfdenial of what I want ("no I'm good" when I really do want to look for something from the store kind of thing). And we've had years to learn to communicate. You and I have less than a week of splochy communications on a topic much more complicated than the workings of my mind. I you are patient with me, maybe over the months or years we might start to understand each other. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:20 PM:
I read Job as a 12 yr old. It wasn't until I was 20 and reread it that I finally started to understand it. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:19 PM:
I work in a reality based industry. I deal in that reality. Things either ARE or they ARE NOT. It is YES or NO. ON or OFF. BLACK or WHITE. GO or NO GO.
Your constant dodging of reality, dodging your own statements and copping out what you claim to believe are even more tiresome than Reverent Fruit Cake's drinking binges. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:17 PM:
I've always been drawn to the more battlistic aspects of the Bible. Especially in Daniel when Michael the Arch-angel appears to Daniel and tells him it took 23 days to battle through the forces of evil.
Wy, have you ever read Frank Peretti? This Present Darkness and Piercing the Darkness. Loved those books. They shaped how I wanted to write. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:14 PM:
OK I need to snarf a sandwich. I must be light headed "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:11 PM:
I am beginning to see the problem here. We are both speaking clearly, we are both making our point, even useing the same words. But our experiences and, thus, our perceptions which shape how we interprite things has created a language barrier.
I think you are looking for a more leagalistic style of explination which I am not able to provide because I do not speak in that way. You are looking for yes and no answers to questions that have many layers. I am trying to be open, honest and clear to you but you see it as lying and deciet. You say I find it abhorant while I am trying to do it the best I can realizing you and I speak the same language but can't understand each other. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:08 PM:
Is it possible you could use a smaller font so the words "Yes" and/or "No" would each fit on, say, a single page?
That way you could answer using only four (!) pages... "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:07 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:06 PM:
Martin Sheen's character wasn't quoting the Bible to prove a point, he was quoting it in an effort to dismiss it. It was a sarcastic and manipulative use of the bible. Just as manipulative as those who pick one or two quotes out and say "see this says you are going to Hell."
Martain sheens character could have used a much better argument but it would fail to have entertained the audience if he had simply asked her which part of her saying "God hates Fags" (or whatever her words were) was in line with God's greatest commandment of Love God, love Self and Love your neighbor?
So in summery, the character's quoting the bible was not the problem I had with it, it was using a small part of the bible manipulate another I had the problem with. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:03 PM:
Uh, no.
You see, when passages are taken from the book and used as a weapon against a minority segment of society to opress that segment, and when those hypocrites who profess to believe it say they don't really believe it but they can't actually SAY they don't believe it, it underscores a disconnect - as you have proven earlier.
Can you possibly ONCE say what you mean?
Is it part of Christian law that you must lie and be intentionally deceitful? Is clarity and honesty so abhorent to you?
Religion does breed insanity. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:00 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:56 PM:
"Is there a reason you can't state flatly what you are trying not to say?"
Yes, because I am trying to keep thesse postings limited to as few as possible so I don't bore anyone. Your questions could be addressed in 50 pages and still come up as abreviated.
"Are the laws outlined in Leviticus no longer applicable?" This is the stew thing, they are part of the flavor, but must be taken with the whole dish. You can not take them out of the Bible and establish a society with them today. Jesus changed that.
"Is the bible the perfect work of God Himself?" The Bible is, to me (I want to be clear there, to me), the Work of God himself but is in no way the complete picture of God. I see it as road signs. Turn here, bumps ahead, slow for curve, kind of signs. He has told humans where to put the signs and it is up to us to obey them. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:55 PM:
is the stuff that you can't buy. It comes from the heart and it is my favorite part of these blogs. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:53 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:52 PM:
Yes, thank you again for calling me a sinner.
However, the fact remains I not only reject your "good company", I reject judgement and I'm not amused or inclined to think more fondly of it if you include yourself.
I reject your assesment that gays are immoral. The end. I don't care if you say everyone sins. I don't care if you say man's love for woman is sin. I think you're nuts.
It rubs my fur backwards each time you puke it up and I will never - no, not EVER agree with you. I think what you are doing is hateful and it perpetuates violence against innocents.
You can take your home-made sin and hit the road with it. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:52 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:48 PM:
If someone pick and chooses what parts of the Bible are Law to them and which parts are just falicy then they lose the whole picture, which was the point I failed to make with the Youtube debacle. If you start to say only 75% of the Bible is true then how can you justify believing in any of it?
The Chicken, the peas, the Corn and the rice are meant to be eathen together. Remove the Rice and it changes the balance, take out the Chicken and it loses it's substance. Moses' laws are a part of the underlining taste of the Bible, like sauted garlic. Without it the taste is off. But Jesus' love all law says take it all in to see the whole is different than th parts.
I probably still failed to explain this to you but does that get it clearer for you? "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:46 PM:
Swing the rope and blow your whistle, your going to be there for a bit. (take a flash light).
I might need to go back ride. The cowgirl in me is yelping. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:44 PM:
Rhodie, nothing you have said explains why quoting the bible, verbatim, must in your view cause a person to dismiss it.
Is there a reason you can't state flatly what you are trying not to say?
Lacking your ability to compse your thoughts, see if you can answer with yes or no:
Are the laws outlined in Leviticus no longer applicable?
Is the bible the perfect work of God Himself?
Do you believe ALL of the bible to be true?
Do you feel gays are, as you stated earlier, on the same order as common shoplifters?
This shouldn't be as hard as you're making it. Either yes or no.
The essay question remains: why quoting the bible, verbatim, must in your view cause a person to dismiss it? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:41 PM:
If I were Jewish I might see your point about the possibility of being a hypocrite. But Jesus' new law says "that stuff is good to live by, but Life (the eternal kind) comes from this new law."
I don't believe I have ever said any one was going to hell. That is not in my place to judge. For all I know you accomplish more good works than me (or any good works) and that might carry some weight, it does with me. I have called you a sinner, but you're in good company cause I am too. Being a sinner doesn't keep you out of Heaven or it would be a wasteland.
I guess it comes down to the "pick and Choose" aspect of your argument. Let's take a casserole, picking and choosing just the chicken out will only give you a limited taste. But cunsuming all the flavors together gives you a complete understanding of the dish. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:33 PM:
Billy, I can speak for no one but myself. It is as I explained it to Lodian, my experiance and study has led me to believe that Jesus rewrote most of the old testiment laws with the love God, yourself and others commandment. Maybe rewrote is the wrong word, more of built upon. 90% of the Old Testament laws dealt with how to live in a community, how to be a stewart of the land and how to live just lives. Back in the days, surrounded by heathens and false gods the Isrealites needed clear instructions that gave them guidance.
When Jesus came and said all that love stuff I see it as the end of the baby stages. I see it as a, "here I have taught you, now go out and apply it" moment. Sort of a here are all the commandments in a simple to pass on formate. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:31 PM:
I never retrieve the horses blowing a whistle and swinging a rope. I get them to come half way by kindness an a gentle hand held out. I stand still and let them know I won't hurt them. Most times they finish walking toward me, there are times we walk to the gate together with no rope, because they want to come and see what's going on outside the gate.
Sorry...I know that's silly. I just came in from the ponies. It's nice outside. I like the new tone of the blog. Thanks for that. "
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:25 PM:
Attack and lie all you want. I know the truth. I offered to let you come into my house, or meet you in a public place with the computer. You refuse.
Leave me out of your lies. I have no time for your hate. Peace Out").
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it originated on your computer all right. what that proves is that YOU had a hand in it, after claiming it was "someone else"..... you lied and passed it off as if it was it was "someone else", other than YOU.
and i quote ..."i have known her for a long time"
"she is a FRIEND of the family"
"she is a MEMBER of the family".
i asked you to qualify your slip up, because obviously "friend of the family" and "family member" are two different things.....TOTAL-SILENCE.
i asked you multiple times....NOTHING. now because your "integrity" is at stake, you will make something up to cover it.
like i said, i trust my gut....that you lied "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:17 PM:
I wish he would have stayed retired... but I do love watching that man play. The sheer joy on his face during a game makes it fun.
The Jets? I hate their uniforms.. ugliest in the league... but I will be forced to watch them now. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:02 PM:
I like that. I like that a lot.
Personally I try to live by what Christ gave us:
You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart, with your whole soul, and with all your mind."
You shall love your neighbor as yourself." "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:52 AM:
I've asked you for days to explain why, in your view, if someone agrees with any part of those youtube bible quotes they must dismiss the whole bible and all you have done is claim I'm misquoting you. I cut and pasted your EXACT WORDS and still you claim I mis-quoted you. What is your problem admitting what you said?
I will ask you again, why do the most religious pick and choose what applies to them (as do you), while choosing what they (you) demand others live by?
The rank hypocrisy of it all would be funny if it weren't so disgusting. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:52 AM:
Rhodie: I enjoy passionate and aggressive debate. There is a huge difference in passion and what real facts does on these boards. He destroys passionate debate with name calling, condescension, personal attacks, gutter mouth and personal threats. He's a menace on these boards and most here have a history with him and know his garbage first hand. That's why no one here is willing to debate with you if you sound just like him. I appreciate your turn in behavior and hope you can get a debate going here. BUT, with real facts always lurking about and ready to pounce with his hate you may have a very hard go of it. He will always interject with mounds of posts that say nothing but hate. Best of luck. Ciao "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:51 AM:
If he make a point I agree with I'll support it, just like I would for you and Billy, Sam and Wy. Unfortunatly his tactics have become so grating on this board that what he says is not heard, and some should be ignored like that Jets fan in the Giants stands. He might make a good point but no one can get past his Farve jersey.
That's why I'm a Lions fan, no threat to anyone so Can still occasionally get a good point in.
Thank you for your understanding. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:44 AM:
" Rhodie, I was one who enjoyed viewing Lodian's youtube clip."
I actually enjoyed the youtube clip as well. Religious groups that pick a moral issue like homosexuality, abortion or the evils of eating meat slam doors that should never be shut. I'm thinking of the "Church of God hates Fags" and this lady in the clip. People who condemn sin as she did always seem to represent themselves as above it all, better than sin. They forget that sin is a part of us (we Christians believe). These people need to be knocked down a peg or three.
On the other hand it gets dicey when you start to say this law I can believe, this one is silly. I get around it by seeing the Old testiment as a base from which Jesus worked. He rewrote the laws of Moses to the very simple love yourself and love one another. Ninety percent of Moses' laws are contained in the new laws. Some people are too wrapped up in love of self than love of others. Hence our problems. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:40 AM:
Happy trails.
P.S. Congratulations on your weight loss. That is awesome! "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:29 AM:
For the record, I don't think I am any better than anyone else here. I view us all as equals in this world. Differing view points is natural in any group dynamic. The more passionate that group is the more aggressive the debates can turn.
I'd much rather be known as passionate for an issue than hateful. I can see how my passion and challenges can be construed as hateful, that was not my intent. You lump me as a puppet of R.F. but you would have to agree that I disagreed with his tactics both here and on the other thread.
Respond if you understand and wish to. Believe it or not I'd rather have a passionate (but respectful) debate about theology with you. "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:28 AM:
For the longest time people have been quoting Leviticus stating homosexuality is a sin. My question is why can one pick just part of leviticus as truth and not all of the book? "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:25 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:18 AM:
I know, being a religious zealot (I've described myself that way for a long time, use to be a Bible thumper too), that the only proof I would accept that God doesn't exist is after I die. I've had too many experiances both by myself and as a part of a group that has confirmed God to me.
For you, what proof would it take for you to believe there is a God. I didn't say Jesus, allah or any of the others. But more general than that for now, what proof would you accept as there being something more than what we understand in our lowly human existance? "
sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:15 AM:
RF, I told you real_facts originated on one of my computers. Lodi News Sentinel verified it. I still have the proof on that one computer.
Attack and lie all you want. I know the truth. I offered to let you come into my house, or meet you in a public place with the computer. You refuse.
Leave me out of your lies. I have no time for your hate. Peace Out. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:13 AM:
I am not as efficient in discussing theology by blogs, I much prefer to do it in person. I'm one of those suckers who LIKES to talk religion and politics and I do enjoy counter views. The only way to grow in your own beliefs is to explore them. One of the methods I like to explore the Truths I know is through debate with opposing viewpoints.
Too bad this thread has become so distasteful, if not I might share the personal experiances I have had that have proven God to me.
While I disagree with most of what you say here Lodian, I actually still enjoy debating with you, even Voter and Billy (I've been told what I believe is a myth before, nothing new there). I will be sure to munch on a sandwuich before responding to you in the future though. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:07 AM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:02 AM:
" Rhodie: Go back and take a look at your very first post to me here. Then tell me who is the hater. It's you. "
I'm sorry Lodian, I did not intend for that to be taken as hatred. As you can see from my earlier posts I tried very hard to curb R.F. from that kind of tactic.
When I posted it it was meant more as a challenge not intending hatred. I truly wanted to know what parts of the Bible you took as true or more worthy of following.
My confusion twords you came out as frustration and I have to apologize for that. I have read you say that you will pray for someone, I assume it was sincere, but then you imply Christians are zealots with the Youtube posting. When I responded it was more of an attempt to see where you stood, clearly and with little room for misinterpritation. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:00 AM:
Um, the person discrediting you is YOU, Reverend. And the gross "mis-representing" has been done by quoting you verbatim, just like your puppet Rhodie.
If you don't like being called a liar, you must first stop lying.
Has anybody noticed how all of these Crusaders have to resort to TELLING everyone what nice people they really are? "
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:55 AM:
Audi 5000 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:49 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:40 AM:
" Yes RF, feel free to skip over my posts -especially about "Truth".
Real Facts posted Apr 21 10:53 AM:
"I tell the truth NY."
Real Facts posted April 21 1:48 PM:
"lodian I have a sweet deal for you...
if the LNS confirms 100% for sure that you are not "real_facts", i will leave these blogs FOREVER."
Webmaster posted April 24 4:21 PM:
Everyone: We are confident that Lodian has NOT posted as "real_facts" or any variation of that name".
So obviously any post about "TRUTH" from RF has no merit. "
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i told you, and i will tell you again...despite the LNS's "assertion" about the real_facts debacle, i KNOW i was right about it. something fishy was going on involving lodian and/or sam. i trust my gut above anyone else, and i am always right when i do. i came back in here because OF that premise, and you can lie all you want that i "didn't keep my word". if something DIDN'T happen involving those two, i wouldn't be in here.
hey nylodian, prove they weren't "
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:40 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:39 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:33 AM:
i have to post this premise for my following post because people like nylodian will stop at nothing to discredit me, including purposefully mis-representing what i say.
nylodian, you have always been a hypocrite in here, by claiming "faith" in Jesus Christ, but working HARD to discount anything about it in these blogs.
if you don't lie about me, THEN i will take my respite. but know this, you won't take your underhanded swipe at me when you "think" i cannot respond, and get away with it.
that will guarantee that i will be in here... "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:31 AM:
Has Robb's spaghetti thing so undone you that you're unable to function? Have you been crippled by it for life?
You actually do have some sort of disconnect with reality, don't you? I have no church and don't pretend to. What are you bleating about???
You are the one who began preaching and fell flat on your face, and when you realized you failed, you threw your dress over your head and ran away bawling about not being respected.
Instead of blaming me for your inability to express yourself, why not say what you have to say.
Jeez. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:24 AM:
And in a good way. ;-)
Remember, the only way to expose the cynical religious haters is to keep them posting.
Nothing said here will have any impact on anyone's sincere faith or lack thereof. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:17 AM:
Yes, because you and your Church of Billy don't contribute your own hatred twords ANY Christian, even those who haven't attacked you.
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:55 AM:
" What are you bleating about, Rhodie? What disrespect are you whining about now?
You probably didn't see any disrespect in turning the Lord's prayer, the one Jesus taught his disciples, into a mantra for pasta from one of your congregation. I'll give you a hint since you don't like to read more than you have to, look right below my last post at Robb's. I know you condone this, after all you think it's only the Christians that show any disrespect isn't that true? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:16 AM:
While most of the time your nonsense has been indistinguishable from Reverend Fruit Cake's spume, it has not been a stretch to keep the two of you - and subsequent discussions between you - separate.
Feel free to keep calling me immoral anytime the mood overtakes you. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:59 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:55 AM:
" Billy not all Christains are homophobic liars. "
WY: Do you believe that some on this board are "homophobic liars"? "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:51 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:49 AM:
The zealots blow some huge story in here and when they're called on it they stick out their lower lip just like a spoiled child caught in a lie.
Then they spend their time imagining how their invisible, magical protector is going to just splinter their opponents.
"And *then* they'll be sorry." say the True Believers. "My big friend is going to hurt them. He's going to hurt them so bad. They're going to SCREAM for mercy. And I'm just going to laugh at them, because my invisible friend loves ME best and He'll always hurt the ones I don't like." "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:47 AM:
Audi 5000 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:45 AM:
As a follower of Christ, I am in the process of sanctification, I am very genuine, and I am a sinner, forgiven.
The battle is not ours. Grace to you, Billy Rubin. "
WY wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:44 AM:
But...He would get on your ass for the way you talk. Though He knows your heart and would see that you've been hurt, like me. Hold your tounge. Like mine, it can be a demon. When all is said, I'm sorry for my weakness and inablity to stay mello with my words, my point and my views are lost to angry dribble. My words will cut deeper than a knife, which only makes me mad at myself in the end. We will be held accountable. What we say matters. Walk away today and calm your spirit :) "
Lodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:33 AM:
How soon some forget. He never left anyway. I think we all know that to be a fact. I just wonder how many names he actually goes by these days. Just count the names here. Oh, well. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:03 AM:
That's what happens when I blog while booking prisoners. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:01 AM:
You see, the curious part to me is that I make no pretense of believing the stories you disingenuously claim to believe.
I am not bound to live by something I admit I don't believe in.
You, however, claim to believe it, claim to love it, but don't live by it either. Ha.
No wonder all you Christers are so fast to jump to your feet yelling that you all are simmers. Your religion is really more of a Liar's Club than anything, isn't it? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:55 AM:
You're the one who blew in here, along with your friend Reverend Fruit Cake, pronouncing everyone an immoral sinner, you made a bunch of asinine statements that you now cannot face and refuse to acknowledge as your own and now, after your stupefying "performance", you complain that you should be treated better?
It's a credit to society you are allowed out in public. "
Audi 5000 wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:49 AM:
Why would you want my explanation on anything when you place no value in anything I've ever said?
I think you know what the Bible clearly says, it's that you clearly don't like what it says. Don't be ashamed or be in denial about it.
By knowing the truth of the Word of God, and purposefully turning your back on it, is in effect saying to God, who spoke the universe into existence (including us), "you got it wrong and I have out-smarted you."
For me, I don't ever want to put myself in the position of questioning God. Who am I, with my fallen, finite logic to ever challenge The Creator, or question His ways? I strive to be obedient and it's a great life! "
nylodian wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:38 AM:
Real Facts posted Apr 21 10:53 AM:
"I tell the truth NY."
Real Facts posted April 21 1:48 PM:
"lodian I have a sweet deal for you...
if the LNS confirms 100% for sure that you are not "real_facts", i will leave these blogs FOREVER."
Webmaster posted April 24 4:21 PM:
Everyone: We are confident that Lodian has NOT posted as "real_facts" or any variation of that name".
So obviously any post about "TRUTH" from RF has no merit. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:35 AM:
Oh, that's right it's only "correct" if you mock God. Let me know how that works out for you, in the long run that is. "
Robb wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 AM:
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:19 AM:
in the meantime, what i asked of the other Christians in here is true....you HAVE to take a stand. you don't have to shout and fight day in and day out, but you have to not let these people win the battle over Gods authority. whoever i am is irrelevant. but God deserves YOUR defense of him for what he did for you.
wake up and do it
real facts "
real facts wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:05 AM:
a THANK YOU to rhodie and audi for taking a stand today. it's a great feeling to watch as somebody does. something to stem the tide of evil. these religious blogs have been FILLED with people hating God directly, or underhandedly undermining HIS authority/voice while the Christians have been SILENT.
unbelievers dictating whats authoratative. that SHOULDN'T be happening.
Christians.....i am calling on you to make sure this doesn't happen any longer. you cannot sit there and watch "them" re-define YOUR Truth, and call yourself obedient to Christ. you must stand up for your Lord. is he not worthy of your defense of his honor? do you think what he did for you isn't enough that you would endure the hardships of contending FOR the tRUTH in here? then you are ungrateful and lazy. don't cry out to God and ask to help you in your time of need, if your too lazy to stand for HIM... "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:50 PM:
man you live in a twisted world.
thats EXACTLY what you said alright.
"Not by that name" -----> laughing.
what a loon. you also said Jesus Christ was only a "myth", and that he "never even lived"...."not by that name". ha ha.
your life is BENT around changing reality/semantics to fool yourself right out of reality. no wonder your so upside down that you spend this much time instead of "backstage" at the perversion palace known as the limp noodle.
your further descent into the depths of hell doesn't warrant my time any longer tonight. you excused yourself right out of the whole human race with that cover-your-backside lie.
im out till tomorrow night. you can lie till your tongue falls out o' prince of heinous.
what a joke .....""Not by that name" "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:40 PM:
That aside, he spews hate, monopolizes and destroys real discussion, and stalks certain posters").
maybe one day you will actually pick the tRUTH in life over people, because this quote accuretly describes billy.
or, voter.....you could point me to ONE post in TWO YEARS that billy EVER discussed or debated anything in here.
just one. billy is a wanna be one man God wrecking ball who is finally now getting his just deserts in here, thanks to his refusal to be anything BUT heinous
your pathetic voter, and a lousy representaion of Truth "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:39 PM:
Tomorrow is a whole new day for you to taint and corrupt and roll in your religious filth and scream at us how pure and godly and perfect you are.
Maybe after the normal people have all gone to bed and you're still here posting to yourself at 3 AM, you'll finally have the room you need to become all compassionate and everything. So good luck with that. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:31 PM:
Don't look know, but God is sending you to hell in on perjury charges. You've told this lie a lot and now you've brought in your God as false witness. Gee - how many commandments are you trying to break in one night, Fruit Cake?
You can lie about it all what you want, honestly I figured you to be bound for hell anyway, but the answer I gave to your idiotic badgering about Jesus having lived was, "Not by that name."
Now I'll stand back while you become compassionate. "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:26 PM:
no "medals" is one thing, but if billy doesn't watch it, he is going to be "disqualified" from the "race" for using performance UNhancing "drugs" on his nose......(if you catch my drift) "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:23 PM:
how difficult it must be for you that you live in a world that you HAVE to twist peoples words because you are so desperate to discredit them. there is nothing more exasperating in all of life. poor billy (showing "some" compassion).
homosexuality IS a choice, a choice to act sexually against Gods design (hence your refusal to answer my question).
nope billy, you know what i said, and twisted it anyway.....that God didn't design ANYBODY to be gay, an adulterer, a child molester, an alchoholic, etc.
nope billy....ALL choices "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:17 PM:
" The Olympics are on right now. ").
they sure are. now billy is trying to jump over the "hurdles" he has put in his own way by lying about what he said.
no medals for billy. he gets a LUMP of coal "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:15 PM:
" Reverend Fruit Cake again:"you went on record saying before on a number of occasions that Jesus Christ never even existed."
Nope. That's your lie").
thats the God honest tRUTH. you said it mulitple times after i painted you into the corner about it. it's recorded in the discussion forum, and in a couple of blogs.
now because your trying to save face in here, your lying thru your black heart.
as God is my witness you said it "
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:13 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:11 PM:
billy, your not smart enough to cover your tracks when you lie, as your lies speed past your brain before you even have a chance to think of what you said and done previously.
mock me all you want. i don't lose sleep over your perversion/heinous. i am using you to defend the tRUTH, and i have NOTHING to do with your eternal destiny.
mock God, and your in for an eternity of the exact opposite of your "pottery barn" playland existence.
you don't mock God, huh billy? how about taking trash about him every chance you get by calling it "fairy tales and myths". your such a liar, and a horrible one at that.
i mock you (laughing)
you didn't answer the question about aids because you have no integrity. make all the excuses you want from chickening out. you will never blame me for your heinous "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:05 PM:
Nope. That's your lie. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:04 PM:
Jeez, Reverend, how stupid are you?
For years you've been saying homosexuality is a choice, that it was sin, that it was the devil. NOW you're trying to say it's design.
Again, just how stupid ARE you? "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:04 PM:
unfortunately for you, perverting the tRUTH of history doesn't make it go away.
"myth". what a loser. you went on record saying before on a number of occasions that Jesus Christ never even existed. ever you said. look i knwo your desperate to justify sex with another man, but ditching actual history? only a loser that sticks his fingers in his ears because he doesn't like what he hears, and pretnds history didn't happen , does so because the legitimacy of their life is GONE. caput. flushed.
"myth" -----> laughing
no, your just a misunderstood human being trying to find his way "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:01 PM:
Sure, as soon as you answer the questions you've been avoiding for three years!
And then you can honor your word, then you can show compassion if anyone will let you and then you can soak your head. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:59 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:58 PM:
listen while i have you on the hook about the aids predictament, what say you about a person that aquires aids thru unprotected sex? homo OR hetero? are they "victims" of aids?
don't twist my words. answer the question like a man billy instead of running and hiding like you always do. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:56 PM:
You know, spelling it "Truth", or even "TRUTH" doesn't actually make it true.
Even if you were able to make it print in 60 pt. Helvetica headline type it would make your trash true.
Unfortunately, you're just stuck with "faith" or "superstition" and "myth". "
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:56 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:54 PM:
your problem is you hate God, which manifests itself thru your mocking of him, and your subsequent Choice to live opposite of what he designed you for.
THATS your problem.
how about this one billy.....there WILL be homosexuals in heaven....
ones that struggled with homosexuality but aknowledged it, and "tried" to deal with it by attempting to adjust to Gods authority over design. everyone struggles with sin. EVERYONE. the homosexuals that WON'T be in heaven are those that shook thier fist at God and demanded that he re-define them, so they can continue to act outside his design.
God doesn't hate homosexuals. he loves them, and so do i. God hates sin, and those that defy his righteousness, by wantoningly committing UNrighteousness. the person that does that without conscience will pay for all of eternity...homosexuality has NOTHING to do with that.
wanna talk about hetrosexual sins? fine. lets do, because it isn't a homosexual issue, it's an "evil" issue, which is what you continually are "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:52 PM:
For the love of God, Please! Can't someone - ANYONE! - please let the reverend be compassionate? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:49 PM:
"Rhodie really got ruffled by the youtube clip."
Yup.
He heard quotes from the bible he hadn't heard before and was shocked by them.
Happens all the time with Fundamentalist Christians. They're in love with the idea of religion and its security, but when they find out what it really is they've signed up with, they panick and run off to recuperate.
Ones like Reverend Fruit Cake just deny the bible and call everyone else a liar. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:45 PM:
What do you mean you're not God???
You've been playing God on these blogs for three years and NOW you tell us you're not God?
Were you demoted?
Did you resign?
Were you LYING? "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:43 PM:
yeah, i want your "reality".
where nothing but sick and twisted perversion define you. NO THANKS "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:41 PM:
"God Hates Fags"
"Gays Caused God to Burn California"
"Gays are sinful"
blah blah blah.
You should drag your new twin Rhodie out of the wings and sing duets.
Or, better yet, drag your triplet Girard out of retirement and sing three-part harmony. You theme song could be about how the gays made you lose your minds. "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:40 PM:
" Well, I think you have answered it for us, Reverend Fruit Cake!
God kills miserable wretches who do things that displease HIM. So no matter who dies, they deserve it, right?
What did I win for answering correctly? ").
first, i cahnged the word "you" for "HIM" in your post for accuracy purposes since i am NOT God.
now i have to tell the Truth because you asked "what did i win".....
the TRUTH of what you win, should you continue to hate on God is contained in the other blog about hell. read it again, or ignore it. makes no difference to me.
the penalty for crossing me? nothing. well nothing more than me reminding you every time you raise your heinous, that the other blog contains your fate.
PSST....it's not a "prize" "
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:40 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:34 PM:
"You have my word as a Christian!"
"I'll pay you $1,000!"
"Nobody will let me be compassionate!"
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL ").
laugh all you want, anytime you will actually replicate the truth, i will have a heart attack and the BAM, you get your wish.
i left on the premise that i was wrong....i wasn't. soon as you can prove i WAS wrong, you will get your wish, and sam will get her $1,000.
you game, the dictionary defintion of unrestrained "pinnochio"?
what cracks me up is not you lying, because your the epitome of the polar opposite OF truth, but how good you are at bringing to the surface what others really believe about Truth when they continue to support you even as you lie.
T.H.A.N.K. Y.O.U. B.I.L.LY. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:33 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:32 PM:
God kills miserable wretches who do things that displease you. So no matter who dies, they deserve it, right?
What did I win for answering correctly? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:29 PM:
"Truth means what I want it to mean!"
"Quoting the bible makes it untrue!"
"Stop quoting me because it makes me untrue!"
What is it about these religous types that harbor such an aversion to reality? "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:27 PM:
" Hey, while we're visiting, Reverend, what was the final resolution to that predicament of you saying gays deserved to die of AIDS, then you said you never said it, then you said you did say it but you didn't mean it, then you said you did mean it, then you said you regretted saying it, before you said you don't regret anything you say?
Whew!
Remember?
How did that all turn out for ya? ").
turned out great. thanks for asking.
listen while i have you on the hook about the aids predictament, what say you about a person that aquires aids thru unprotected sex? homo OR hetero? are they "victims" of aids?
don't twist my words. answer the question like a man. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:25 PM:
"You have my word as a Christian!"
"I'll pay you $1,000!"
"Nobody will let me be compassionate!"
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:22 PM:
nope billy, as much as you dream that i would be like you, you can't turn me into the pervert you are. thats your sickness. only sick people WILL turn something pure into something sick and twisted. something you do with ZERO reservation.
how about it voter? you approve of billy's comment? lets see you pick Truth now voter...
rhodie backed away from calling you a prevert....i won't because it's true. people think pervert always means something sexual, hence rhodie's "out" for you because your not a "child molester". good for you. as far as we know, you haven't taken perversion to that level. however, your still a pervert by definition.....because you PERVERT anything thats pure without conscience. so actually, your a deviant AND a pervert.
how's that for the unbridled no holds barred "Truth"
have faith billy....the majority in here high five your "perversion" of what WAS pure... "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:13 PM:
" For someone who had all the answers, Rhodie, you turned out to be sort of an empty bag like the Reverend."
It's interesting how exactly alike these two are... hmmm? ").
i don't have to manufacture other screenames like you do in here, thats your sickness. when you get frustrated and desperate, you accuse wrongfully what YOU yourself do, or you go to "lee"....your other "man-lodian"
thats sick "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:09 PM:
Your religion is based on belief (a firmly held opinion)").
nope. thats is factually flawed AND false.
"our" belief isn't based on "opinion", its' based on HISTORICAL FACT.
the fact of the matter of ultimate Truth is based on ONE event in HISTORY that proves what IS Truth....the resurrection of Jesus Christ. since Jesus Christ claimed to be God AND the Truth, and rose again from the dead AFTER he said he would raise HIMSELF (something only God can do, and did), that is the end of the "what is truth game".
historical fact is what Truth is based in, not opinion. if it isn't the Truth that Jesus Christ raised HIMSELF from the dead, truth as YOU define it voter IS subjective.
historical facts trump opinions everytime. you can distort history if you want, but it still happened and you can't change it and eventually, it WILL define who you are, whether you like it or not.
a wise man adjusts to factual/historical truth. a fool runs from it, thinking he can "white-out" it's memory "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 9:59 PM:
if there is one, you are only pretending to think that you can make up any "truth" you want.
to be completely blunt (as i usually am), only a fool pretends to think he can define ultimate Truth outside of God "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 9:57 PM:
STAND BACK AND GIVE HIM ROOM FOR COMPASSION! ").
billy, people that have respect for other people need compassion. you have no respect.
people that troll around causing trouble and refusing to debate, that mock God and others beliefs based on his own personal hatred for all things pure without a "speedbump" or conscience don't need compassion because that person (you) doesn't possess the kind of heart that would recieve compassion. what YOU want is acceptance of your behavior, you will stop at nothing to get it. nope billy, you need someone that will oppose your no conscience nasty, because compassion is reserved for those whose heart has the ability to receive it, and you REJECT it everytime.
wanna know how i know? you skewer even the WY's and rhodie's of this blog, who ARE respectful, caring and supportive of you. THAT demonstrates your heart is black.
nope. you oppose evil. evil aimed at discrediting God without conscience.
that's you... "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 9:44 PM:
now that we have established that, which God? would you like to go on record and state that God couldn't define specifically who he is and what he wants? that God does not have the right to command obedience to that truth, and that man has the right to define it however he chooses, so long as he is "sincere". God supposedly made us, but ditched his "God-hood" in favor of letting us "figure it all out"?
now even more narrow, YOU have claimed to be a Christian, which by definition means YOU believe in Jesus Christ. since Jesus Christ directly claimed to BE the truth, how then can you think that you can assign non specific "belief" to "a" God?
God alone defines ultimate truth. period. you either adjust to it, or you make excuses so it will "disappear" so you "think" you can do anything you want, via your own "definitions".
God=Truth "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 PM:
I guess Truth (captial T) can mean anything you want").
i can. your a prime example of that. you somehow give a free pass to billy's obvious perversions/lies of what i have said that WAS pure. i.e. my intercation with the gay young man. yet you turn a blind eye to the truth, just because you don't like me. thats a fact.
the real deal voter, is that God defines truth, and it is up to us to adjust to that truth......or, you can pretend it doesn't exist, that it will go away, and maybe you can have a hand in accomplishing that feat. truth is voter.....YOU are that person. that "truth" isn't subjective "
Bob Hussein Loblaw wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:10 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 18, 2008 7:54 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 18, 2008 7:46 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 18, 2008 7:40 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 7:01 PM:
nylodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 6:26 PM:
Okay, but that presents the crux of the problem for the more rigid thinkers: there's lots of conflicting "Truth" out there: Mormons' Truth, Jews' Truth, Hindus' Truth, Muslims' Truth, Pastafarians' Truth. (RAmen) To each, their Truth is as valid as yours.
To my old friends here, forgive me for feeding trolls, I couldn't resist. :) "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 5:43 PM:
You should try reading more, Voter. Webster also defines truth as, "the body of real things, events and facts: (3) a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality (b) a judgment, proposition or idea that is true or accepted as true."
That's o.k. I didn't expect the Billy Fan club to acknowledge that Truth can be a spiritual experience. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 5:20 PM:
That will prove to be some interesting reading.
In the mean time, while we're waiting for Rhodie to gather his thoughts, I would ask that you all please stand back in order to give Reverend Fruit Cake the opportunity to be compassionate.
STAND BACK AND GIVE HIM ROOM FOR COMPASSION! "
voter wrote on Aug 18, 2008 4:25 PM:
voter wrote on Aug 18, 2008 4:22 PM:
" Oh and a point of clarification. The dictionary holds no truths, it hold information.
2+2=4 is information.
Truth is a concept held to be true."
The cognitive dissonance in these statements is phenomenal. You have literally redefined a word to justify your belief system.
My dictionary defines truth as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality". Your religion is based on belief (a firmly held opinion). "
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 4:14 PM:
" Is Reverend Fruitcake also the Mr. Pickle? Hmmm... "
4AStrongLodi: Let's not insult Mr. Pickle like that! "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Aug 18, 2008 4:01 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:54 PM:
" For someone who had all the answers, Rhodie, you turned out to be sort of an empty bag like the Reverend."
It's interesting how exactly alike these two are... hmmm? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:29 PM:
We can only hope! "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:27 PM:
You are either able to explain your own statements or you're not.
Either do or don't.
I don't care.
In fact, I think I prefer you didn't.
But in either case, you can save your meowing about being misunderstood for the Reverend Fruit Cake fan club meeting. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:18 PM:
As I was driving around I realized something. You are not engaging in this conversation to gain enlightenment or to enlighten others. You are here strickly to get ammo for firing back even if you have to misrepresent what is said as you did with the post I mentioned above.
The only explinations you will accept are those you give. The only truths you will accept are the ones that empower you. And the only worthy response is silence. AS we all do, you have picked your stew to be cooked in. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:17 PM:
Whew!
Remember?
How did that all turn out for ya? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:13 PM:
Hey, Reverend!
Are there any more statements you need to disavow today? Anything else you'd like to claim you never said or that your words were mysteriously misconstrued?
The line for Christians stammering over their own double talk promises to be a long one today, so take your place early!
See you! "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:09 PM:
Glad you could stop by and offer your personal opinion of me, too. I was wondering when you'd fire up the "Audi".
Say, since Rhodie utterly failed to explain himself or answer any questions, and you claim there are "understandable answers" available, would you mind sharing?
I'd hate to have LNS readers leave here with the idea that all of the Christian posters on this blog are just ignorant tightasses.
Thanks! "
JD wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:19 PM:
And if we go to hell, we will turn the devils out of doors and make a heaven of it. Where this people are, there is good society. What do we care where we are, if the society be good?
--Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 316 "
Audi 5000 wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:18 PM:
4AStrongLodi wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:16 PM:
I know you feel sorry for him, like we all do. He probably has no better than a high school education and is trying to put meaning into a life he doesn't understand nor have control over. He reminds me of that guy who tackled the Brazilian marathon runner in the '04 Olympics...except that guy ended up in a mental hospital. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:11 PM:
" Oh and a point of clarification. The dictionary holds no truths, it hold information."
Oh, brother. More blithering bible double-speak.
No, Rhodie, information is truth.
Misinformation is not truth.
Your insistence that your blend of superstition and mythology be called "truth" is silly. "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:10 PM:
lodian is famous for pulling out the "hate" angle to silence you.
it's who they are, people looking to silence a voice that replicates Gods authority over man
at least someone is finally standing up to "them".
THANK GOD (literally) "
4AStrongLodi wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:09 PM:
I happen to believe in taking my destiny into my own hands and taking responsibility for my own mistakes. "
real facts wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:06 PM:
just so you know who your dealing with rhodie, lodian "claims" she is a Christian, yet she has consistently for nearly two years said things 180degree's OPPOSITE of God word and authority.
people "think" they are a Christian "if" they incorporate a few of Christ's "warm and fuzzy" teachings. not so. your a follower of Christ if you actually FOLLOW his authority over your life.
being "nice" at times isn't being a Christian. it may be Christian behavior, but NO ONE is a Christian because of "behavior". you either follow him, or you don't.
again i tell the harsh truth.....she's a phoney
i will be back later tonight (hopefully) "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:06 PM:
How did I misrepresent? You either said it or you didn't.
It IS what you said.
Are ALL bible fanciers this dense with language that nothing means anything to them?
You said gays are the same as shoplifters (thieves). What is there to misrepresent?
You said it.
I read it.
The end. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:06 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:00 PM:
2+2=4 is information.
Truth is a concept held to be true.
We have human truths that people argue over because our concept is different. i.e. life starts at conception. And then there are Godly Truths which Christians study the Bible for. Muslims study their Koran and the Jews the Torah. Am I so nieve to think all of God's Truths are in writing? No, but the Bible has gotten me onto the path I find true.
Why is it so important to you to knock as many people off that path as possible? Is it because you got hurt and now you want to hurt others? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:59 PM:
Am I missing the hidden meaning somewhere? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:49 PM:
I lump all sinners in together, that would include me. Again you misrepresent. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:47 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:40 PM:
Don't eat pigs, lots of desieses in pigs that may not be cooked out. Public safty issue.
"do unto others as you would have done unto you" Isn't this the essense of how we all should live? I'm not sure where you fall on this one since you ahve repeatedly demonstrated that you have a passion for misquoting people and I think you wouldn't like others to do this to you.
As for the New Terstament: The Gospels, these are the stories of the people who walked with Jesus. If you were at a football game and asked to tell about it do you tink you would have the exact same account as the man next to you? No, different things would strike you as important. The four different accounts allow for modern man to find the one that he identifies with. I personally like John's. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:32 PM:
Are you at a loss for words explaining your bible quotes? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:27 PM:
See, I asked this of Lodian first.
Let's start with the Old testiment. Here is a collection of teachings that were given to mankind when they had very little understanding of the world. 99% of the laws passed were ones that protected the people of the times. Plants side by side were suseptable to massive die offs from bug and infection, seperate different species so what kills one doesn't kill another. People who didn't do this risked the food supplies fo the community and put them all at risk for starvtion. Sounds like a law worthy of the times. Don't wear mixed fibers, Lodian's favorite. Animal fur and plant fibers wear at different rates, shrink differently. Since they couldn't go to the local supercenter to buy new cloths, what they had had to last a long time, thus don't mix was a common sense application. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:20 PM:
We are all sinners, anyone who claims otherwise is truly delusional. Immorality is a decision to sin in an ongoing manner, like shoplifting or cussing. Here we'll differ as to what sin is, neither is going to convince the other. A lot of spouses think it is not immoral to cheat on their husband or wife, I think it is immoral. As for a pervert, unless your doing things with animals or children I wouldn't use this to describe you or your associates. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:20 PM:
"Suppose you tell us which sections of the bible are not to be taken literally. Tell us which ones are true. Which ones are OK NOT to follow? Why?" "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:11 PM:
This explains a lot to me. You can't even read a current text, not to mention the Bible, without misunderstanding what is being said. What I said was "In reality I am a published Christian author." Do you see the word "Famous" in there anywhere? Your misrepresentation is not an omission or typo, but a deliberate attempt to manipulate. When you can read AND understand what you've read in current contexts then maybe the Bible will become clearer to you as well. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:01 PM:
Yes, a dictionary holds far more truths. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:00 PM:
You, however, are the one claiming to be a famous published Christian author. Suppose you tell us which sections of the bible are not to be taken literally. Tell us which ones are true. Which ones are OK NOT to follow? Why? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:57 PM:
You actually think with disappointing similarity to the Reverend Fruit Cake.
Was there fundamental errors in the biblical quotes in that clip? If yes, what are the errors?
If No, then why might citing biblical quotes force one to dismiss the entire bible?
Your logic is inverted. If you cite a bible quote you must dismiss the whole bible?
Dismiss God, dismiss Jesus if you quote Leviticus?
Does this mean you disagree with Leviticus yourself? Do you believe it? Do you dismiss God because of it?
Sorry, Rhodie.
Your silly reasoning is a No Sale. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:55 PM:
Interpritations of what, the Bible? Of moral living, of Dante's Inferno?
OF course the Bible is vulnerable to scrutiny. That's why we are discussing the issues here. A text that is a gathering of writings from over hundreds of years and formalized years later will always be open to scrutiny. I'm not delusional (at least there). I do believe that God speaks to me through the Bible. It is his words, written by people and meant for all humanity. If the principles in it were ficticous then they would have no power and I would have fallen long ago.
So is there a book you hold dear that contains more truths to it, Billy? "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:41 PM:
"I guess you're right Lodian, the whole Bible is outdated...If any of you agree with the youtube clip then you must dismiss the entire Bible."
Why is that, Rhodie? Is the pretense of the bible is so vulnerable to scrutiny that all other interpretations are wrong?
"Ok, maybe you believe in some of the Bible, please inform us as to which books of the Bible are worthy to follow? Which ones are true? And why are these ones true but others not?"
Well, I admit to being, in your eyes, a sinning immoral pervert. You, however, are the one claiming to be a famous published Christian author. Suppose you tell us which sections of the bible are not to be taken literally. Tell us which ones are true. Which ones are OK NOT to follow? Why? "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:18 PM:
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:45 AM:
Note that is says "Godly men", not religious men.
Godly men follow God, religious men follow the person standing in front of them on Sundays.
Godly men respect their wife. Godly men nurture their children. Godly masters, in today's terminology bosses honor their employees. Godly men honor thier bosses with hard work. Godly men build up their friends.
Can non-believers do the same behaviors, yes but what is thier role model. Clinton? McCain? Edwards? Kennedy? Farve? I'd rather hold Jesus as my role model. If I hold a human as my model I can reach them, become satisfied that I do enough. But with Jesus as my model I can never reah him, never be satisfied and, thus, always strive to be better. "
Rhodie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:27 AM:
So you have rejected the entire Bible as a falsehood. What do you believe in that is better? Show us poor, gullible Christians why Jesus isn't the way, the truth and the life.
Ok, maybe you believe in some of the Bible, please inform us as to which books of the Bible are worthy to follow? Which ones are true? And why are these ones true but others not? Is it simply because they go against what today's society calls rights? "
Jess wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:47 AM:
Lodian wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:44 AM:
-Setting Straight Religious Zealots-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-dqHBIvmPQ "
Robb wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:29 AM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 18, 2008 6:51 AM:
Well, if you gave it even a modicum of thought, Reverend, you would realize I don't START anything - even YOU might agree they are not my letters to the editor, are they?
I RESPOND to ignorance sent in by others; whether it be this letter claiming "Godly men are better masters" or the other one, from the mayor of Morada, claiming God IS, in fact, burning down the State of California because of gays; with which you displayed the ignorance to agree wholeheartedly.
Malicious stupidity must not be given a pass just because the word "God" has been injected into it. "
voter wrote on Aug 18, 2008 6:21 AM:
mainframe wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:47 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:45 PM:
You are the decan that asked me to leave church when I was a teen and SO THRISTY because of my clothes. WTF? Why do you do this. Could it be that I can't see your life like you can't see Billy's life. Nor you mine")>
nope. not me. what was the clothes issue about?
i can see billy's mocking of God clearly. can you? there is nothing hidden or judgemental about it, he does it all the time. billy (or anyone else) doesn't get a free pass for doing so, no matter what circumstances they have faced that molded them into the person they are now. EVERYONE still has personal responsibility for their actions. billy knows better, and does it anyway. don't make excuses for CONTINUAL sin, and call it "you don't know them". that's secular humanism speaking "
mainframe wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:38 PM:
mainframe wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:37 PM:
" Mainframe, he's been doing that for a about two years, but was absent on a self-imposed exile for the last few months. Now here we go again. "
Why would the paper allow this guy to post like this? It sure seems like he is way off the mark when it comes to the rules set by the paper. Why is this dude so angry at everyone? And why does everyone keep talking to him? He is obviously either three sheets to the wind or totally off his rocker. "
real facts wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:32 PM:
especially YOU. you are the one thats responsible for the level that this goes to, because it's YOU that starts this garbage by entering every blog containing Christianity and yelling and screaming your God hating vile. every blog, YOUR in it, and YOU start it.
i am not supposed to have compassion on a person like you who has no respect, and whose ONLY intent is to lend a hand in the destruction of Christianity. thats a fact about you. i am called to fight against evil, and i will.
if you HAD been a person that shows respect despite a difference of belief/opinion, you would get respect. you don't. your purpose is one, to destroy, and as long as you attempt it, i am your "friend" "
mainframe wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:31 PM:
mainframe wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:30 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 PM:
" She is not evil "
her (lodians) intent is evil. it is aimed at blocking ANY possibility of anything good that God might be doing between you and me. she has purposefully tried to drive a wedge between me and you by lying about me.
that IS evil "
Billy Rubin wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:23 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:20 PM:
" You don't know me or my brother so shut up about that! ").
i know this, you got mad about what i said about homosexuals that acquire aids because OF your brother. i didn't say ANYTHING negative about your brother. i don't know your brother, but IF you got mad because i made an accurate statement, thats not my fault.
my older brother is a life long con man who makes a living ripping people off. while he is my brother, and i love him, i DO NOT make excuses for him. you see, i tell the truth and i don't pick people "
WY wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:18 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:16 PM:
You both have taught me alot, but you both NEED to forgive.
I hope you're reading this Billy. "
real facts wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:07 PM:
I hate his method of retrieving what is lost").
if you knew me personally, you wouldn't say that. you would recognize me for what i am.....one of the most loving AND compassionate people you could ever meet. i am "known" for my encouragement.
unfortunately, you know me ONLY for having to take evil to task. ever notice these threads disentigrate the same way EVERY time? billy enters a blog with his evil God-hating vile, then i take him to task for it, then EVERYONE jumps me for doing so. it happens everytime. look at this blog and see if i am telling the truth.
billy says nasty things and NO ONE says anything. i say something, then i am the bad guy and we are off and running.
the absolute truth is YOU people don't give me the chance to show compassion "
WY wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:07 PM:
I'm going to bed. My back hurts sitting here. "
Lodian wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:05 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:00 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:59 PM:
WY wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:58 PM:
real facts wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:56 PM:
" If you have compassion show it NOW! ").
how so? by backing down from telling the truth, or coming to a place where i say nothing about evil? not gonna happen.
if however the "billy's" of this world show respect, and not his continual evil against God, THEN is when i am supposed to display compassion, and THEN you can count on me doing so.
but if you are asking me to "cool it" on the truth issue under the guise of "compassion", i cannot do that.
i HAVE to tell the truth, no matter the fallout. if people think i am being "unloving" or not "compassionate", thats on them.
one things for certain, truth divides a room right down the middle. if you are on the righteous side of it, you don't kick and squirm and try and make it "go away" "