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Did you pay for a water meter and not even know it?

Why you need to find out

Updated: Monday, July 7, 2008 6:24 AM PDT

Have you ever paid for something and forgot about it? I know that I have.

The most common one for me is a publication for work. I'll renew my subscription and then the publisher will send another notice. Thankfully, I am rather good about keeping records, so they rarely get me to renew too early.

What about paying for something when you don't even know it? You know, a situation where the amount is added to your bill without telling you — the gratuity was already added, yet the "tip" line still shows a blank? You then add 20 percent only to find out while you're in the car that the price included the gratuity.

Well, a situation like that has probably happened to hundreds of people in Lodi, and I want them to know about it.

Beginning in the early '90s, the Lodi Public Works Department started collecting "deposits" for water meters. If you had a construction project, including a new home, where the value of that project exceeded a certain level, the party paying for the permit paid that "deposit." Today, the valuation level where they begin collecting for the water meter is $39,400 and the amount is $340, increasing very soon. In other words, if you take a permit to remodel, build a new house or something else and the value of that project is $39,400 or more, you will pay, at least in part, for a water meter. And if you did it yesterday or since the early '90s, you already did pay, at least in part, for a water meter.

Did you know that? If you didn't, I hope you do what I did.

In 1998 I did an extensive remodel on my house. As part of that remodel, I was required to pay to the city of Lodi $1,603.84 for my permit. (Yes, I still have the receipt.) When the remodel was completed, I reviewed my paperwork, including that receipt, and noticed a line on that receipt — WATER METER DEPOSIT $140. Since I knew I didn't have a water meter, I called the Lodi Public Works Department and was told that they didn't install the water meters, they just collected the deposits.

I then told them I wanted the deposit back because they didn't give me anything. While I bet you think the answer was just "No", I got one that was even better — sorry, we don't give the money back and we don't have it to give back because we spent it.

Bad Answer!

Well, after a call to the city attorney explaining what I thought was a rather simple position, I got a water meter. While I didn't need for them to install it, they did and — note to the city of Lodi — I'm not paying for another one.

My point with sharing this story with you is that many of us in Lodi have already paid for at least part of our water meters through the deposits, and the city of Lodi has spent the money. Even though our city management has known for many years that water meters would need to be installed, they did not hold the money for future use and they did not buy water meters with it. They used the money, our money, for other things, and I think that is wrong, very wrong.

Beginning in 2010, Lodi will begin installing water meters, and that is going to cost a lot of money. There is no doubt in my mind that our city management is going to charge, or try to, you and me for these new meters. Before you pay, I hope you check to see if you already have paid so you don't pay twice.

All you have to do is go to the planning department and ask to see the file for your property. If you already paid your "deposit," ask them for your money back. When they tell you that they don't have it, tell them you want a water meter. I doubt that you will get one, but if enough people make a "run at the water meter bank," perhaps our City Council will see that they have an accounting nightmare on their hands and they will do something to fix it.

John Johnson, CFA is a Lodi-based business appraiser. You can reach him at john@johnejohnson.com or at (209) 369-1451.

Reader Feedback

LodiJoe wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:55 PM:

" Lodi City has long made a practice of collecting funds they say are targeted for a specific expense then spending it on everything else except what they collected it for. Then when they get ready to spend money on the original expenditure, they collect more through bonds, fee increases, rate hikes or whatever other means they can come up with. Ask them how much money they have for "future infrascture" they have been collecting on our city bills. They not only won't tell you, they won't tell you what they spent it on either. OUR money, make them accountable. "

Observer wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:26 AM:

" I would prefer that you continue to call me a "Lodi Cheeleader". I'm more than happy to wear that badge. Unlike yourself, I'm proud to call myself a Lodian. I've lived here all my life and I don't see any changes in the near future. "

T&C wrote on Jul 13, 2008 4:47 PM:

" observer, so as I look around the little city hall cult, the dark side to Lodi citizens, I allege that I could refer to you as WASP's according to the definition of good ol' boys. Am I wrong or not? Nowhere is there wealth nor social attributes to qualify to be a good ol' boy. They usually include their wannabe drones and gofers who cover for them. "

T&C wrote on Jul 13, 2008 10:50 AM:

" And, by the way, observer, we're all required to change our passwords and/or our user names once a week due to security requirements. So if you see many different names, you can just draw your own conclusions. Maybe your buddy T & C could help you out a little. Have a nice day. "

T&C wrote on Jul 13, 2008 10:46 AM:

" I was always posting under one name until someone stole it when they changed registration. I post on this computer that's shared by my wife and I as well as six other persons. I don't take the time to switch users or log off and then on again each time I blog. I'm like the Lodi news, can't take responsibility for someone else's blogs. So think what you may.

Here's the rest of your gob definition:

Perceptions of religious and racial prejudice also endure, and the good ol' boy network is sometimes seen as unique to WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants), with Catholics, Jews, and minority groups excluded. The network also functions like any other social network inasmuch as governmental, business, and professional connections and concessions often develop via mutual friendships and introductions established through the network. "

T&C wrote on Jul 13, 2008 10:39 AM:

" The good ol' boy network describes a system of social networking and perceptions alleged to exist prevalently among certain communities and social strata in the United States. Although the term originated in the South, these networks can be found throughout the U.S. and the rest of the Western world. It is typically taken to refer to informal legal, judicial, social, religious, business, and political associations among white males ("good ol' boys"); however, in modern times can be composed of either or both sexes. In some areas, the good ol' boy network is said to still exert considerable influence over many aspects of local government, business, and law enforcement. Usage of the term can often imply a wrongful exclusion of others from the network; however, often the emphasis is on inclusion of a member, as in, "doing a good ol' boy a favor".

Some negative effects of the good ol' boy network are its exclusion of others, leading to leaders of a community possibly limiting business transactions to other elites, or to friends or acquaintances from within the network, to give friends better deals, and generally to reinforce traditional power structures over any other elements in the society. "

Observer wrote on Jul 13, 2008 9:38 AM:

" T&c....would you at least make a subtle attempt to distinguish yourself when posting under you various names. In your 9:33 pm post you refer to "I am not accusing" in reference to the papercut blog. Then in your post six minutes later you refer to my "posts to papercut" in the third person. Do you really feel you are fooling anyone? Look, I don't agree with most of what you have to say but as least show some integrity and post under one name. And if you still choose to post under multiple names please remember which name and conversation you are participating. "

T&c wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:39 PM:

" observer, I believe they're allegations and not accusations. Please observe the difference. With your utterly stupid blogs to papercut, do you really think he'd tell you anything? It's not like your normal behavior, you can't bully those you can't see. You really are childish with that last remark also. I'll bet you're one of those my daddy can beat your daddy up women aren't you? "

T&c wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:33 PM:

" And T & C, as to your constantly weasly and non informative blogs, I'm not accusing anyone. I am alleging that these statements may be true, nothing more. Why do you care so much if I view my allegations on these boards? You're constantly complaining about the buses and crime in your area, and what's any different from what I complain about? And please prove to me just how I can be all of these blog names. Where's this Taxpayer, and edumacation? I haven't seen Taxpayer blog in months. I see a T & C and that's you. I still think you're very, very confused from all those overheated bus rides. Cool down boy! "

T&c wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:25 PM:

" observer, find out for your self. Hopefully the suspense will kill you. LOL "

Observer wrote on Jul 11, 2008 4:42 PM:

" Just finished golfing. Still no word from the papertuctting, unemaducating taxpayer regarding the Disneyland trip. I know he hopes we'll forget his accusations but I won't let him. How about an answer? Now I'm convince the girls used to beat him up during P.E. "

T & C wrote on Jul 11, 2008 4:16 PM:

" Is there a DR. in the house? Insanity is rampant for someomeone,well, "wink", for three posters we know! Paranoia, is always a companion to "confused" and "Insecurity"! So many allegations abound, that if we were able to go thru archives, we would see that 100 accusations were NEVER backed up with one piece of evidence of wrongdoing! It is sad that dillusions afflict some of us, but in a small way it adds comedy to these forums, but really now, the comic pages are for comedy and these forums are the wrong place! Oh no, It's Conspiracy time"! LOL! "

Observer wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:28 AM:

" The papercutting taxpayer's imagination is running rampant. Why do you even bring up the Mayor's past indiscretion? Why don't you ask her personally about it. You'd get an accurate answer about what happened. As far as my interest is concerned is that it's in the past and a non-issue. You should leave it that way too.

By the way....you still haven't disclosed which council member went to Disneyland on a personal trip and used the City credit card. "

papercut wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:55 AM:

" Oh, and observer, before you even ask. They goaded her into going to her vehicle rather than calling her a taxi or taking her to jail and book her for disturbing the peace. This isn/t the first time, nor the last time she'll be intimidated by this same group of people that still have very hard feelings against her for trying to make the eastside, and the city of Lodi, a better place for everybody, not just the wealthy and comfortable white gob's. Mayor lives on the eastside on the worst block possible and knows what goes on. The other dupes on council and in management won't even venture into that neighborhood after 6PMand continue to refuse to clean that area up, yet expect our seniors at Loel to feel safe there and continue purchasing homes in that area for Loel at twice the price they're worth from their local realtors. Madam Mayor could probably get many needed things done for the eastside if the three ayemeegos weren't so busy taking care of the new developments and RDA and spending all needed funds on consultants and infrastructure for the already wealthy and their gob followers. "

papercut wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:45 AM:

" observer and mp, why would you infer I know the mayor? Or don't know her? I know of her and watch the council meetings on comcast and I have the utmost respect for her. If you've been around long enough, then you know that some of these same people on council and at city hall are the very ones that absolutely hated her a few years back when she was with the old improvement committee along with Jane Lea. I do remember reading about the DUI she was set up for downtown years back by the then police chief, who's also on the same council now and Madam Mayor was one of those select few who were trying to cleanup the eastside and intimidated every inch of the way by the gob's of Lodi at that time. My neighbor was part of that committee also and it wasn't pleasant for them. Now these same people are the same ones involved and you can tell who they are by their votes against the mayor on every issue that benefits us citizens and not the gob's and their owners. How soon you try to make everyone forget? Same old Lodi gob's, same-song. "

mp wrote on Jul 9, 2008 6:08 PM:

" Thanks Observer for sticking up for our Mayor. Your right, I bet he/she t&c/papercut don't even know Mounce. "

Observer wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:24 PM:

" That's the point.....I'm an not aware of any council member that uses the City credit card for personal use. You made a statement and all I'm asking is that you back it up. Duhhhh. Quit beating around the bush and answer the question! "

papercut wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:54 PM:

" observer, you should have an answer to your own question, being so friendly with council and knowing who's printing what and why. "

Observer wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:38 AM:

" Again....which council member used a City credit card for a personal trip to Disneyland? "

papercut wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM:

" observer, don't they usually pay out of pocket or with their own credit cards to get their card perks and then merely turn in a single receipt to be reimbursed? No broken down numbers, just one total? Isn't that the way they circumvent actually having the city pay for these trips? Who pays for all of Hansen's trips to the NCPA meetings and all the other out of town travel? Sometimes foru hours for a meeting and a whole weekend or even a full week at a hotel and rental car? Observer, you are so naive. Mr. King is the magic man and knows how to work the figures. That's, again, why they laughed at Mayor Mounces' proposal to monitor all expenses, down to the penny. That's what is called cooking the books and Mr. King, or any city manager, knows how to swap the numbers and make them work to look like a legal submittal. That's why nothing under 5thousand needs nothing but his signature. Council doesn't even see these unless, of course, they submitted it themselves.LOL I've played the game, observer, it's easy to beat when you make your own rules like this corrupt group does. eyesofargus.net "

Observer wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:18 PM:

" I intentionally made my question very simple so you could understand it. Let me try again.....which council member took a personal trip to Disneyland and charged his/her expenses on a City credit card? How difficult is that? "

papercut wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:28 PM:

" okay oficer observer, you gonna book me, Dano? Do you or common wear the pants in your relationship? The guilty ones and the playas are the ones who worry every time the phone rings or the doorbell rings unexpectedly. By the end of August, there'll be some very interesting information to be seen and read. Have a good night, ladies. "

commonsense1 wrote on Jul 8, 2008 2:44 PM:

" Paperweight, you're getting Goofy again with all of your Mickey Mouse accusations. It seems as though you're on another trip to Fantasy Land. Be careful, it's a Small World out there, you're bound to run into a few Pirates of the Carribean. Lets call the Grand Jury for an indictment. "

Observer wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:51 AM:

" I demand to know which council member went to Disneyland and charged the personal trip to the City. "

papercut wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 AM:

" justthefacts etal, I see, they still do all of these accounting procedures by hand, huh? And not all government systems, including little cities use the "cheat" system. What do you think software and microchip record keeping is. When a council person can go to Disneyland for a business trip and take his family on the city credit card, what exactly is this expense charged off to? And the lunches dinners and weekend stays at wine&roses paid for by city funds? Why don't we ever see those and how are they disguised? That's why the "cheat" accounting system in Lodi works so well. Your own Mayor asked for a different system to be instituted and Johnson, Katzakian, Hansen and Hitchcock didn't like that at all. Many of you are so naive, or stupid as hell, if you don't think others are very aware of your stupidity. I'm hoping the gossip is true about the grand jury being very interested in the city of Lodi and the 'playas". "

JustTheFacts wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:43 PM:

" If every single invoice had to be run through the Board of Directors of a corporation or in government's case, the City Council, they wouldn't be able to do business as the vendors wouldn't be getting paid within 30 days that invoices are due.
As if anything that I or any other blogger could say could alter your view. From what I've read of your rants... your way past being able to listen to reason.
And don't think that I'm responding out of anger. It's more pity than anything else. That's all. "

JustTheFacts wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:34 PM:

" I hate to burst your conspiracy balloon Papercut... but I have no affiliations with other bloggers. As far as the spending limit for individual departments ($5000) and City Manager ($20,000), that's pretty routine for government agencies. Expenditures are still tracked within the agencies Finance Dept and copies are maintained within each department... again... the norm for government agencies. Even corporate businesses have similar spending limits established for division managers. "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:39 PM:

" And, Mr. Johnson, being on the finance committee and not having these answers nor asking questions or demanding an audit or the proper paperwork, just what does your group oversee? None of you appear to know much nor have done very little judging the tremendous debt here and still rising. Why are you so afraid of these people? You're supposed to represent us taxpayers and we want some answers or step down if you fear them or help them conceal any financial information that's supposed to be public knowledge. "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:13 PM:

" just the facts etal, then tell me who and how the funding disappears with this gob finance and budget committee? Why no invoices under 5K need to be overseen and just signed by King or his clerk, Ms. Johl? Your spelling gives you away again and you've found a new personality. Be sure to tell REALTY and obverserand your little klan hello,too. I'm just asking where those unaccounted for funds go and you and your egos always get so upset, like you've got guilty consciences. "

Tc wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:13 PM:

" What's with your fetish for Mayor Mounce? What makes you believe that I associate myself with her? I praise her for being the only honest and outspoken person on council at present. It's you and the gob's that disagree with much of what she presents to council. "

T&c wrote on Jul 7, 2008 7:25 PM:

" Mayor Mounce has drifted into the realm of the dark side with the overpowering intimidation of those power mad souls on the cc and management, developers and the wealthy people. Greed and power have replaced reasoning and citizen representation. "

Observer wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:59 PM:

" Since when is asking you to back up your statements with facts considered retaliation. Do you think you should be able to make your reckless accusations without being questioned?

And quit associating yourself with Mayor Mounce. She's a good council member and the last person she needs help from is you. At least think of her reputation! "

JustTheFacts wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:59 PM:

" Papercut etal... the other bloggers respond to your wild claims and you call that "retaliation"? No matter where you turn... you find corruption and conspiracies. I hate to tell you but the folks that you speak of are not that sofisticated to be able to plan much less pull off such a scheme. Rather than blather on with your accusations and conspiracy theories, take your evidence to the Grand Jury and let them look into it. Oh... let me guess... the Grand Jury are GOB's too? "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 1:21 PM:

" I just love the retaliation from you individuals when I merely express my opinion. It sure seems that you get upset over most anything involving money and politics, or lack thereof, in Lodi. I guess you've got a lot of spare time now that real estate is continuing to slide. "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 1:15 PM:

" Observer, I was referring to the entire family, not Phil. Isn't that part of their family fortune? Isn't Lodi Printing in that area? Why aren't you helping solve these problems instead of refuting anyone that speaks adversely about the city? You certainly know that the finance committee doesn't even see any expenditure for less than $5thousand and those tickets are merely turned to King, he signs them, and that's that. Who oversees those little transactions, only the person or department that turns them in and Mr. King? You,observer, like Mayor Mounce once recommended and was laughed at by all four other council members at the meeting, should demand these funds be broken down to the cent to show us where this mad money is being spent without any oversight at all. Your finance committee should have new faces every year or two to get rid of the same old regime that's afraid to say no to any spending and lose their pecking order position. Again, why did you so soundly reject the idea of Ms. Lea on the committee? That shows us that there's a little fear of having a real concerned Lodi citizen amongst the finance committee bobbleheads. "

commonsense1 wrote on Jul 7, 2008 12:05 PM:

" T&C, how can I add anything to that? I can't think of a better group to fight for TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE LODIAN WAY. If your going to give them the charge of filing criminal complaints or indicting folks, you should probably include JF too. "

T & C wrote on Jul 7, 2008 9:12 AM:

" I appoint edumaction, T&c, and papercut, to all three form a committee to indict, prosecute and incarecerate EVERY LAST "GOB" who is responsible for this ghastly situation and EVERY other situation they complain about day in and day out! Its the only way to get change in Lodi folks. Please donate to the "Get all the GOBS out of Lodi Fund!" "

T & C wrote on Jul 7, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Gobs, Gobs, Gobs!!! Everywhere I look I see Gobs, and now they spent my water meter money!!! I am so shocked! I feel ripped off, violated, wait till edumacation, or T&c,,, I mean "papercut" finds out! People either go to the State Attorney general's office or county prosecutors office to seek Grand Jury Indictment proceedings against Lodi coucil folks who are responsible, or there is no crime! Statute of limitations applies in most cases! So what can we do papercut, I mean edumacation, I mean T&c? You have so many names I get confused! I have the Answer! "

Observer wrote on Jul 7, 2008 9:09 AM:

" John, can you actually believe that someone has accused you of being part of the gob group. That is absolutely laughable. Now I'd like the unedumacated papercutting taxpayer to tell me exactly what properties Council member Katzakian owns in the RDA. I ran a search on the website you recommended and nothing came up. I'd like addresses please. "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 7:59 AM:

" You got it Mr. REALTY! "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 7:58 AM:

" And Mr. Johnson, you were part of the backdoor group that denied Ms. Jane Lea that position on the committee and instead appointed a realtor buddy of council itself, in my opinion. I think it's time you give us the truth and the numbers and quit cowering to the council, management, developers, builders and wealthy who control you and tell you what to say. Your little town web of politics is unraveling very fast and they need to practice some frugality and not spend, spend, spend, especially since this is the same inept group of people that now have Lodi $250 million in debt already and have approved $250 million more debt load for the RDA, which they first said would be limited to $400million. Now, after Mr. King and Krueger have jumbled the numbers that has been revised to $500million. Shouldn't someone besides the council be on the RDA? These three CCmembers presently on council are involved in realty that always vote yes on the same projects. The Katzakian family owns plenty of properties in the RDA area, why wasn't the brother disqualified from the vote as was Hitchcock? Our city attorney and his consultant trumped that one forthem. "

reality wrote on Jul 7, 2008 7:54 AM:

" watch out john papercut has you in his sights! "

papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 7:44 AM:

" John, you say that if we call and ask for one if we have paid for it, they'll probably tell us no. I see you didn't have that problem. Aren't you on the finance committee and embroiled in city politics and those same planning, council and mangement are also your firends? That's some pretty gob'in if you ask me. You should be filing aq complaint with the grand jury not the city attorney that can't defend the city against a parking ticket without paying a consultant first for advice. Citizens have been asking for accountability of those funds for several years now. Those funds were spent on items like Hansen's NCPA trips all around the country, padding the chamber on their China trips, dinners and weekends paid for by the city at wineandroses to help out their gob owner and other "necessary" party fund necessities. Who has been accountable for these funds and where are they really at? John, you're simply a part of the gob city machine and you're on the finance committee and you don't even know where half of that money is really spent after council and Mr. King transfer it so often, it's just disappears. "

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