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Redevelopment approved

2,000 acres are designated in eastern Lodi by City Council; group of concerned citizens vows to put issue on the ballot

By Layla Bohm
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Thursday, July 3, 2008 7:39 PM PDT

Despite the mayor's objections and the vow of a small group of citizens to oppose the process, Lodi's City Council voted Wednesday to begin redeveloping the eastern half of the city.

Beginning in January, more than 2,000 city acres will be designated a redevelopment area, meaning that the city will keep a larger share of the property tax in that section. In turn, the tax money will be used for various revitalizing projects, such as improved sidewalks, roads and parks.

A group of Lodi citizens, citing concern that the idea is costly and could ultimately take private property through eminent domain, has vowed to gather enough signatures so the issue will be put to the voters. Mayor JoAnne Mounce agreed that the citizens should decide the matter, and she gave that as her reason for casting the dissenting vote at Wednesday's council meeting.

"We owe it to our citizens to put this to a vote so that they have a say, one way or another, in redevelopment," Mounce said.

If the council had put the matter to a vote, it would have gone on the November ballot; now opponents will likely have to hold a special — and potentially costly — special election if they gather enough signatures.

Council members voted 3-1, with Councilwoman Susan Hitchcock absent, to move forward on the long-discussed redevelopment idea.

Councilman Bob Johnson, before voting for the process, noted that the council has heard from about 20 citizens who oppose it. He said that's not enough public interest to warrant a citywide vote.

Also on the agenda

In other action Wednesday night, the council:

  • Approved a plan to redesign Lodi Avenue from Cherokee Lane to the railroad tracks. The plan will keep four lanes on the road, which is traveled by 13,600 vehicles daily. Crosswalks will be repaved, lighting will be increased and handicapped sidewalk entrances will be improved. The plan also calls for benches and bicycle parking.
  • Voted 4-0 to reissue up to $65 million in Lodi Electric Utility bonds that will be insured through a more financially stable company. The bond sale period will start Thursday and close July 24, and the city should save about $950,000, according to a presentation to the council.
  • Awarded a $1,059,660 contract for various street surfacing to International Surfacing Systems, of Modesto.
  • Voted 4-0 to approve a $46,000 mural to be created by Lodi artist Tony Segale. The mural, which will be paid for through the Art in Public Places fund, will be located at Security Safe Lock & Key, 209 S. Sacramento St.
  • Modified a massage parlor ordinance to clarify that manicurists who include hand, foot or calf massages with a manicure or pedicure do not fall under the city's massage-related laws.
  • Gave a plaque to outgoing Deputy City Manager Jim Krueger, who is taking a job in Garden City, Idaho, after four years in Lodi, where he also served for a time as finance manager.

    — News-Sentinel staff

  • Six years ago, a City Council made up of different members also tried to pass a redevelopment project. It ultimately died when citizens protested the inclusion of eminent domain, which allows the government to take private property for public use.

    This time around, eminent domain is not included in redevelopment. City spokesman Jeff Hood noted that not once in California has redevelopment used eminent domain, and that if the city planned such a move, it would have to be laid out publicly.

    But opponents worry that future councils could ultimately use eminent domain. They also worry that the plan could be costly.

    "I'm concerned that they've failed to inform the public of the extent of their plans," 45-year Lodi resident Marianne Rivera said after the council meeting.

    She also addressed the council before their vote, asking members to lay out more precise plans before approving the multi-million-dollar idea. Rivera was part of the group that successfully fought redevelopment six years ago, and she said she is once again talking to her neighbors in Lodi's Eastside.

    "This redevelopment process has been something that is frightening the Eastside," Rivera said in her emotional speech to the council. "I promise you that if you persist, you will have a fight."

    Eunice Frederich, another Eastside resident who attended Wednesday's meeting, also worries about tax usage. Through redevelopment, Lodi will keep more of the property taxes that would normally go to San Joaquin County, and she noted that the county's hospital desperately needs more funding.

    Hood countered that other cities in the county, including Stockton, Tracy and Manteca, already have redevelopment, so they are also keeping more of their own property taxes.

    Ultimately, Lodi will get less than 2 percent of the county's overall tax, and the redeveloped area will actually increase the tax base and make that number even smaller, said City Manager Blair King.

    The matter will likely be argued and debated plenty in the near future, if opponents hold to their vow of getting enough signatures to put the issue on a ballot.

    "We're going to cover the whole town, every precinct," Frederich said.

    Contact reporter Layla Bohm at layla@lodinews.com.

    Reader Feedback

    Observer wrote on Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM:

    " Hey papercutting taxpayer....thanks for the link. Now I know RDA's must be successful if the State wants to get their hands on the money. "

    papercut wrote on Jul 8, 2008 11:21 AM:

    " http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1066424.html "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:51 PM:

    " Observer: I have been gone for quite a while, as I am going through some changes. Everything is changed, especially the names.

    I have also lost contact with the people who were organizing to oppose this redevelopment project. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:49 PM:

    " Observer: Last year in the Franklin football fiasco, T&C said some things in the Stockton Record which were more prejudicial and disrespectful toward the human race than I could believe were humanly possible. My friend, Willie and I gave him a full opinion of what we thought of him, but T&C in his disrespect had no regard for what other people thought of him.

    It is an understatement to say that I have no respect for T&C.

    His post below is weird, because I agree with what he typed, while it appeared that he was disagreeing with me. I went down the board to see if I had typed something wrong.

    I just decided he wasn't worth my time to bother. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:41 PM:

    " Observer: Anytime I enter into the public, I figure I have alligators all around me everywhere I go. In all honesty, I'm not at all concerned with T&C. I don't know anything about papercut.

    If you think T&C ripped me on the board, it wasn't enough for me to remember. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 7, 2008 4:55 PM:

    " Hi T&C: I was at the HOC and I missed him again. Maybe he prefers the green mermaid across the street? Did you see the comment by Observer70? He agrees that all appointed and elected public officials should take an IQ test. It would be on the ballot right after their names. "

    papercut wrote on Jul 7, 2008 1:43 PM:

    " edumacation, don't forget, observer knows all. LMAO "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:13 AM:

    " To Observer -70. Say what? I am not T&C. I am a female. LOL "

    Observer wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:27 AM:

    " And that 7/6, 9:53pm post was a doozy. How long did it take you to come up with that one? Come on.....you can do better than that! "

    Observer wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:22 AM:

    " And as far as you are concerned unemaducated papercutting taxpayer....I really only post on this site to get you riled up. I'll be back to HOC again this week. Looking forward to seeing you there. "

    Observer wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:19 AM:

    " DanialH....don't forget that papercut, edumaction, taxpayer & citizen & T&c is the same individual that stood you up for your "meeting" at the Farmers Market last year and then proceeded to rip you on these boards afterwards. I thought you had learned your lesson. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:30 PM:

    " Patton: You're pretty mysterious. You raise a bunch of objections, and when your duties and responsibilities as a public servant are identified, you just disappear.

    I'm beginning to think that you only appear in the newspaper comments during working hours, and I don't think you're qualified as a public servant. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:28 PM:

    " T&C: I think I said the same thing below. I am absolutely certain that each of the 5 votes has their mind made up 2 years ahead of time.

    If they utter a word of having made a decision, they just disrespected all of the public process, and I think they just disqualified their own vote. "

    papercut wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:53 PM:

    " observer, what you're trying to say is mommie wouldn't let you go by yourself? "

    Observer wrote on Jul 6, 2008 7:46 AM:

    " I would love to have that information regarding politiicians. I would also love it if the LNS would require a 3rd grade reading comprehension test to blog on this site. I suppose neither will happen.

    I didn't stop by HOC on 7/4.....was headed out to the Lake that morning with family in town. Everybody leaves today.....hate to see them go. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:48 PM:

    " To Observer: I usally grind my own freshly roasted beans, but once in awhile I like to sample the coffee of local establishments. I also didnt see you at the HOC. I saw someone trying to sneak back from Starbucks with a croissant and i thought that was you.

    On your post to papercut. The lady doth protest to much me thinks. I don't believe there is an "our" or a a "success".

    I need your opinion: What if California required that all political appointees and elected representatives, post their IQ scores after their names. Would you support that regulation? "

    commonsense1 wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM:

    " Sorry, wrong button......productive with our time. "

    commonsense1 wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:31 PM:

    " Paperweight, you spent your day eating pancakes and hanging around a coffee shop looking for successful people? I don't want to ruin your holiday, but I would bet those people you are looking for don't spend their day at a coffee house. I know this must be mind-boggling news to you, but we try to be a little more productiv "

    papercut wrote on Jul 5, 2008 11:56 AM:

    " I was also at the pancake breakfast and the science museum WOW, to donate a few bucks, and watched the fireworks from Eilers Lane until the drunks got too rowdy. Hope you had a nice and pleasant day, too, thank you. "

    papercut wrote on Jul 5, 2008 11:54 AM:

    " Observer, I spent the day at the House of Coffees waiting for commonobserver to meet you, but I guess you were too busy to show. I hardly go anywhere anymore because you're watching you all the time. Is that you in the black unmarked helicopter hovering ahead now? "

    Observer wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:27 AM:

    " This is so, so sad. The only thing the papercutting taxpayer had to do on the 4th of July was to post under his various names and carry on conversations with himself. Actually, quite pathetic. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:41 PM:

    " As a matter of fact, I'm going to Hong Kong as soon as the summer Olympic games are over. Have you ever flown into Kaitak airport? It closed years ago, but it's like a roller coaster ride without the tracks. Check it out on Youtube. Its was called the "HONG KONG Curve". The new airport is not as exciting. There is a mountain that was part of the PRC and the planes didn't want to overfly. I am staying with family. Try to fgure that out. LOL "

    T&c wrote on Jul 4, 2008 7:27 PM:

    " And, edumacation, you're right about the small town politicians. Only in Lodi not many of the names have changed, except their first or one of the many aka's they use and cover well in their business dealings. The one that comes to mind right now is one of those local developers who's had a project pushed through ahead of others waiting in line that I find 5 different company names. At least he was stupid enough to tie his own name into those different companies. Now that others are aware of their gob money grab aided by three or four members of the city council and gas approaching $5 a gallon and the realtors talking smack about how well Lodi is holding up, one by one they're beginning to stand up and demand some accountability. When you've got your boards and council and oversight committees comprised of business partners, friends, relatives and gob's it's no wonder you see the same family names and faces reaping another award from the head of the chamber of commerce. By, the way, sir, have fun on your second or third trip to China. Of course, we all know you're paying your own way. Snicker "

    T&c wrote on Jul 4, 2008 7:12 PM:

    " T & C, for someone who lives on Main street in one of those lovely hotels and uses Lodi public transit for transportation, I'm sure your sources of information gathered from your wealthy neighbors and bus drivers are pretty well spot on. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:58 PM:

    " All of these are characteristics of small towns like Lodi. I recommend that your read the articles published originally by McClures magazine over 100 years ago. We have the same problems today. Read Lincoln Steffens "Shame of the cities". Here is a link to the PDF online. Its out of copyright. This copy is from the University of Toronto. see:http://www.archive.org/details/shameofcities00stefuoft

    click on the PDF link to the left.

    Nothing is new in small town politics. only the names have changed. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:47 PM:

    " To T&C 6:09. Again that is mostly a formality. I think if most members are informed about the issues before the meeting your speculation may be correct. If this occurs on a regular basis, it only would demonstrate that the members have prec-conceived strong opinions or that they like to show the appearence of concern in the pubic. I do not have any problems with that either. It may look hypocritical but thats politics. My main objection is the lack of controls, oversight and accounting by a disinterested third party. Many times we have representatives who "shoot from the hip" and make up procedures or their opinions as they see fit. Again thats more of a characer issue, or it could show a lack of knowledge or intelligence. There is probably some element of truth to all of these reasons? "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:39 PM:

    " re: T&C 1:17 I have No information about that?

    re: T&C 6:05 Its no big deal. Its in the records at the ESC. I think it was also quoted in the LNS. Like I say am not a developer so I don't care. I knew Huyett, and I doubt that he was get involved with anything involving kickbacks. I saw no quid pro quo, so no problem. I will research it for you to put your mind at ease. I do remember it was one of the recent developments that was planned in the past 3-4 years. I think I know who it was but want to be sure first. "

    T & C wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:09 PM:

    " To DanielH: "As much as I am a postive and an optimist, I 100% believe that the city council ALWAYS has made up their mind one way or the other on every issue. City council meetings are merely a way to "Look good", and make us feel we the people" have a voice , a say in a matter when we don't!" "

    T & C wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:05 PM:

    " edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:55 PM: "Its only a matter of time before the same thing happens here." NOW NOW EDUMACATION, YOU STILL FAILED TO MENTION THE DEVELOPERS NAME! Paranoia runs rampant I see! It happened before, but you won't name names, you don't go public and break this case wide open, LOL, but the same thing is going to happen here, "LOL, I just love the sense of desperation in your posts! "

    T&c wrote on Jul 4, 2008 1:17 PM:

    " Tillie's is a great place even though it's owned by the spouse of the gob who made a fool of himself and Lodi Beer Co. and the $17,000 that never was really accounted for. Again, the gob took control of the situation and the gob suddenly was replaced with no accountability for that $17,000. Great place to catch the real water cooler news you get in the Sentinel. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 11:43 AM:

    " Hello T&C: I had my cups of Joe and didn't see him either. I went to Apple to buy an apple. I know that the green mermaid has different recipes for coffee, but I stick with HOC out of habit. Tillies is fine and.. and ..lots of good coffee places in Lodi. "

    T&c wrote on Jul 4, 2008 11:34 AM:

    " observer, where were you big boy? Was that you across the street at Starbucks with your video camera and binoculars? Look like patton to me. Stop for a few quick donuts before the all you can eat pancake breakfast? Did the big dogs tell you to keep your mouth shut? "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 10:53 AM:

    " TO danielh: Thank you. Former LUSD Supe Huyett consented to and approved a lower school district tax assessment for one developer. I have no problem witht that. If I were another developer, I might object because it would affect profit. The bottom line is that there are frequently insider machinations with developers and builders. I really don't care. I am only concerned when there are financial arrangements between the parties that are NOT public ie quid pro quo arrangments outside of public view. Accountability is a basic responsibility of government. I see no conspiracy in that. Also I have no problem with GOB activities based on friendship. I understand social networking. Secretive money transactions, inside deals and unwritten agreements are what must be monitored. These agreements are inevitable with the many technical issues of construction, but they must be public and transparent to all. No conspiracy, just that the old ways of doing business must change. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:49 AM:

    " Can't go by numbers present who were in opposition, who decided to waste their time talking to deaf ears at the CC meeting. Those CC members in support probably made up their minds a long time ago, and there never was anything a citizen could have said to them that would have changed their minds.

    Let me remind people that the campaign donations from developers makes up a large percentage of a typical politician's campaign funds. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:45 AM:

    " Patton: You might have overlooked the special treatment also given to your lawyers, who are salivating at the guaranteed profits of fighting citizens who object to the redevelopment project. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:44 AM:

    " Patton: You're the public servant. It is your duty and responsibility to present proof to the general public on anything they say. If they say that developers are receiving special benefit, then it is your duty to respond, not vice versa.

    Your request for a local citizen to substantiate a statement is out of line, that is, if you or your employer has an oath of office. "

    DanielH wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:41 AM:

    " I don't know that it is true that this project is without eminent domain; but, this is not the main point. The point is that funds will be diverted out of the general fund at the expense of general infrastructure.

    Additionally, the plan to pay for the project is based upon speculation on an increase in tax revenue that is required in order to pay for the project. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 4, 2008 12:34 AM:

    " To Observer: I will be at the HOC as well. I like straight espresso shots. Wait a minute! Didn't I see you sneaking across the street to get a cinnamon roll? LOL "

    Observer wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:05 PM:

    " I refuse to spend all day on this website. I leave for most of the day and return to find that my post exposing the papercutting, taxpayer & citizen, T&c and edumacationer has been removed. Now I know you've got an "in" with the LNS. Oh well, I've got better things to do. See you at HOC tomorrow morning. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:11 PM:

    " To papercut and anyone interested in recent and local FACTS and PROBLEMS with the local Redevelopment Agencies. Look at the url links posted below.

    Will this happen here? Thats an intersting question. Can we get an answer or policy now before we go into millions of dollars of debt? Do we wait unitl we have a fiscal problem and make up the rules as the conditions merit? This is a litigious state, does anyone want to bet that we walk into another lawsuit? Paranoia? I think not. Ask the new Superintendent what happened last March? "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:01 PM:

    " to Patton1: Here are e few links for you. Read about it if you care.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20080308/ai_n24912068

    http://sunpost.net/content/view/1294/174/

    Here is a recent newapaper editorial for you:
    http://sunpost.net/content/view/1644/172/

    I guess I am not so "paranoid" after all. Add the two newspapers to the paranoid list ROFL. LOL "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:55 PM:

    " To patton1: It was ONE developer, but it is a moot point since he is not building due to the housing crash. I see nothing wrong with helping a friend. It was not illegal. I have no malice towards that. When financially valuable favors are involved, that gets my interest. More people need to report these crooked deals. I love capitalism, thats how I make my income. However, I have no respect for cheats, "inside secret deals" or agreements with NO transparency. The hallmark of RDA's in California has been the "inside deal". Look at the recent fiasco at the Manteca Unified School District. Last March, the Manteca RDA commissioners aka city Councilman got to play loan officers and set up a loan to the school district to build two gymnasiums. RDA money is not scrutinized the way it should be. Many times it is used as "free money". Its only a matter of time before the same thing happens here. As they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". This is an extremely slippery slope. RDA's should not replace fiscal responsibility. "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:18 PM:

    " show me the proof that some developers get breaks edumacation. Another lie> "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 6:08 PM:

    " OMG!!! edumaction!!! Now you say you are par tof the "INNER CIRCLE"! Ya made me fall right out of my chair with laughter! You are part of the "Inner Circle", yet you still don't take all your so-called Evidence of (GOBS), lol to the local, county, State or federal authorities! Wow! Anyone else would break this case wide open! But you edumacation, sit in on the inner circle and just watch and then complain! OMG!!! You are a wonderful comic relief on a hot day! "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:52 PM:

    " To T&C: The only problem with your argument is that I am in the inner circle with some of them. They are not nice people and they have contempt for most people who don't agree with them. I hope our new LUSD supe is strong. I wonder how long it will be before they try to extort favors from her. if you look carefully at the LUSD tax rates, a few developers received preferential treatment that cost the district money. Its not illegal to help your friends as long as you don't get a kickback. "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:44 PM:

    " "edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:03 PM:

    "The GOB are not rich in real times but it exists only in their own minds. A poll by the LNS found that over 60% of respondents believed that there is undue influence by a few self-appointed "Good ol Boyz" in this area." Guess what edumacation: People begin to "Believe" things that are 100% false because of the rumors people spread to fuel anxiety and frustration! Think about it, lol! "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:41 PM:

    " Hey commonsense1: You brought a true smile to my face today and for that I thank you! A sense of humor is indeed a good quality! If on the otherhand you were serious about investers to get in on the millions to be spent, dang, whaere does the line form? I will gladly stand behind "All the Gobs" because I'm not greedy! "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:06 PM:

    " To Commonsense!: The days of commissioned Real estate salesmen are numbered. Puffery and exaggeration are not rational arguments for buying a depreciating asset. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 2:03 PM:

    " To commonsense!: I disagree with you. Bill Gates and Donald Trump are not GOB's. They earned their money or were born with it. They never relied on handouts from local government when the economy got tough. They pressed ahead without a handout. And you notice we have no one approaching he wealth of eother of these men in Lodi. The GOB are not rich in real times but it exists only in their own minds. A poll by the LNS found that over 60% of respondents believed that there is undue influence by a few self-appointed "Good ol Boyz" in this area. "

    commonsense1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:52 PM:

    " Edufacation, maybe you and I can become real estate agents and jump on this gravy train too. Of course we will need Paperweight to make sure those other guys aren't cheating us. Maybe you and Paperweight could open a night club for your friends....call it the Cuckoo's Nest.....Talk about a sure thing. "

    commonsense wrote on Jul 3, 2008 1:37 PM:

    " Paperweight & Ed, you wack jobs were right. My phones have rung off the hook this morning with calls from the GOB's, Gillespie, Trump, Bill Gates and a bunch more of those rich creeps. These guys can hardly contain their excitement, when thinking about the millions of dollars filling their pockets. Donald Trump about wet his pants when he found he could tear down an old building on Cherokee and erect a brand new, 2000 sqft gaming casino. Johnson, Hansen and Katz have already called their travel agents for a Carribean cruise. How sweet it is. "

    wtf wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:52 PM:

    " Layla wrote: "wtf: Three people opposed to redevelopment were at the meeting and one of them, Marianne Rivera, spoke to the council. It came at the end of the meeting, sometime around 9:45 p.m. Other than the council members, that was the only public comment on the matter."

    Thank you for your response, Ms. Bohm. You've given me info on how many opposed were there - three; with one making a public comment. Given that this was the only public comment, do you know, aside from the council members, the number of those in favor who were there? "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:34 PM:

    " Everything seen thru edumacation's eyes is a conspiracy! I guess if you say it enough times about every subject for enough years, sooner or later something has to pan out, lol! "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:32 PM:

    " Holy Cow! edumaction NOW can see into THE FUTURE! Hmmm! If that was true he would be buying Million Dollar lottery tickets, lol! Truth be known, edumaction sees all that none of us see, "chasing his own shadow"! "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:30 PM:

    " edumaction has all the "EVIDENCE" on every corrupt group, GOB, rich person and illegal situation in Lodi! Ask edumaction, T&c and papercut, lol! How funny it is that you NEVER go public to the LNS, The Record, to the FBI or State Attorney generals office! Where are the document, photos, witnesses, recordings, videos of ALL THIS ILLEGAL activity? "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:27 PM:

    " And I quote: papercut wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 AM:

    " The meeting was at 7PM last night and the three cockroaches crawled out from under their firewood pile at rosewood long enough to vote yes against te citizens' wishes and also that of Madam Mayor Mounce"! It appears to me that "concerned citizens are being personally attacked and insulted by papercut, AKA T&c, and edumaction calling Lodi citizens cockroaches! Who said they were even spanish! Moderator help us out and ban papercuts, three person log-in ISP for 3 months! "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:25 PM:

    " edumaction: You crack me up! Hey everyone, I want to be there when you walk into the County Recorder's Office and hear you say, "Hey clerk, give me a list of all the "Gob's" in Lodi! What a good lugh lol! "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:20 PM:

    " Attention Moderator: It is unfair for edumacation to post under different log-in names, "Disguising his identity" which is in violation of posting rules! He posts damaging innuendo on many topics, this is not in dispute! It would be nice to see you ban his ISP for another three months. edumacation, papercut and T&c are all the same person. "

    T & C wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:17 PM:

    " edumaction... please stop with the GOB paranois! I looked up (GOB) in th dictionary and it states: "gob (gb)
    noun, a lump or mass, as of something soft. Informal a large quantity or amount waste material produced in coal mining, consisting of clay, shale, etc." What in the heck does a GOB have to do with Lodi? papercut or any other GOB name you post under cannot answer that question! If the "GOBS) wanted to do something for you edumacation, you'd have a different outlook, lol! "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:57 AM:

    " To papercut: I don't get this guy. He thinks we are the same person and we have nothing to do with MORR? Anyway here is a goody or two for you: these are online PUBLIC records: After you have ussed the last tool I gave you here are two more:

    http://www.sjgov.org/commdev/cgi-bin/cdyn.exe


    and

    http://sjmap.org/website/DistrictViewer/Viewer.asp

    Have fun boyz n grlz. "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:54 AM:

    " If you have names and proof than step up.If you are throwing around unfounded claims then go away. I will take the name and do the search as you suggest. Better yet, name the property that you suspect has been involved in criminal activity and I will look it up. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:35 AM:

    " Okay Patton: How elementary to I have to get? I led you to the water, now its up to you. Go the website start entering in names ---and enjoy! Its that easy. If you have the name of a business---that works too. Its called deductive logic. 1+1=2 but first you need to put the pencil on the paper...lead side down not the eraser end. LOL "

    patton wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:49 AM:

    " Ok, I get it. You have the information that will prove what people have broken the law and thereby proving your self described RDA conspiracy, but alas, you have to keep it a secret! Is the the sci-fi channel I'm watching? "

    papercut wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:26 AM:

    " And, by the way edumacation, thanks for helping me keep the confused bamboozlers even more confused. Especially the big blurb that thinks we are one and the same, just like realty, commonsense and the observerator. LMAO "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:18 AM:

    " To commonsense1: You can't have a crime until money exchanges hands. Starting the date and time of the RDA approval starts the clock on the games. They are only hoping that we don't catch them. The LNS should be doing this with an investigative reporter. Call up MORR they will give you more advice. Fraud is common in RDAs. Where there is big FREE money there are always criminals waiting to get theirs. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:14 AM:

    " To commosense1: Now that you have some doc numbers. Run the APN's and pull a property profile- they are free at any title company. Tell the customer service rep that you are an "investor". They will email you what you need including plat maps and the names of loan companies (grantors). "

    GetUrHeadOut wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:13 AM:

    " Guess you want to just leave the East side to crumble down to nothing; after all, the Druggies and Gang Bangers need a place to go!

    "Lodi will keep more of the property taxes that would normally go to San Joaquin County" NOT A NEW TAX! "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:13 AM:

    " Ok, I get it. You have the information that will prove what people have broken the law and thereby proving your self described RDA conspiracy, but alas, you have to keep it a secret! Is the the sci-fi channel I'm watching? "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:06 AM:

    " http://www.co.san-joaquin.ca.us/Recorder/grantorgrantee/searchindex.asp

    Try this one but it only has a few fields. The document number, book and page will help when you visit the Recorders office. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:04 AM:

    " patton1: You have to be tried first. But first the crimes have to be proved. Its the details that will do this. We are waiting patiently. Its enjoyable watching them sweat. The key item is they can not change the old records. "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:01 AM:

    " What are the names, when are the transfers? What makes them unusual? I dont mind calling a "spade a spade". Please show me your cards! "

    Edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:56 AM:

    " To Patton1: I ask you follow these instructions I listed and YOU tell me who owns what eastside property. Some of these names look familiar. Why can't they fix up their own properties?
    Answer that one. Using only the onlne database will give you the answer to that story. Also look back a few years. Its amazing how many transfers there have been---and the SAME NAMES keep popping up. We have streets named after them. "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:55 AM:

    " Now Edumacation in his 9:50 post is claiming people are going to prison. How can you win an argument or persuade people like that. "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:53 AM:

    " Take Edumacation for example. Read his last blog. Read his 9:44 blog. Now read it again. That is not the writing of a person in contol of his faculties.For those of you against the RDA, these tpes of comments diminish your case. "

    Edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 AM:

    " To Observer: I think you know that watching the GOB is easier than you think. We like DETAILS. Its the details that will put them in prison. How many business names do you think a person needs- IF THEY ARE HONEST? Why not just use ONE honest name, not the names of brothers and sisters aunts, uncles cousins, even mothers-in-law. They try to be sneaky, but this time they will get caught with their own noose. I have seen it before and will see it again. I will always have a good word for them at sentencing. NOT! "

    patton1 wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:47 AM:

    " I think it very sad that the same small group of people always claim fraud everytime they are on the other side of an arguement. Look, almost every city our size has an RDA. I think it is fair to debate the issue but stupid to question the motivation. Couldnt it be that the council truly sees the value of a RDA? The reason why the council didnt put it on the ballot is that you conspiracy people are not taken seriuosly. Regain your manners and stop looking for the black helicopters overhead and we might actually listen to what you have to say once in a while. "

    Edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:44 AM:

    " To Gray Cloud: Now after you spend a few weeks at the Recorders office researching criminal activities you will realize three things. 1) These records are permanent. They can not be destroyed. They can be hidden or buried by lots of bogus transfers, but don't give up, the original docs are on microfiche. I keep certified copies just in case they get "lost". 2) You will be amazed at the obfuscation of the simplest property transfers and the hundreds of transactions for a few people. The GOB knows how the system works. They also now that most people will use the electronic database which has limited search fields. I like the "real deal". The ORIGINAL records. You have to do it manually for the best results. You can find all sorts of good stuff in them! Like the name of witnesses. 3) You will also learn about Who owns what in the new RDA area. This speaks for itself. Why doesn't the GOB fix their OWN eastside properties at THEIR expense? A good Question for Observer. "

    Edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " To Gray cloud: I will tell you step by step how to do it. Go to the San Joaquin County Recorder's Office and start running the names of the GOB. Any name will do. Take the Document Numbers and pull the records one at a time. Look at both the GRANTOR Index and the Grantee index. You will notice some interesting trends. Example: GOB's will transfer the same property back and forth between each other to influence the value of the property or hide their involvement with it. Just because person A "sold" to Person B does not mean person A has no control. Why? Because person B still owes person A for a different transaction. Some people call these sham transactions. Now study each document number and look at ALL the names on it. Sometimes in haste the GOB make mistakes. There is just too much paperwork for them to hide everything. For Real property transactions write down the APN numbers involved. Also if SFR note any "bogus" homeowners exemptions. Cross index the APN with the street situs addresses. Are they in 95240? "

    Observer wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 AM:

    " Is that correct? Only one member of the audience spoke on the issue pro or con? "

    Observer wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:27 AM:

    " I'm still waiting for your response edumacation, papercutting taxpayer & citizen......Which council member voted in favor of the RDA and will benefit financially? Those are the kind of wreckless statements you were making when you got suspended! I want to see some FACTS! "

    gray cloud wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:19 AM:

    " Dear Anti-RDA's. You are all right. Why would anyone want to clean up the eastside. How presumptous ! I agree with you that we should leave it as the rotting sludge pool it is. Its so bad, even sewer rats are moving out. Hope RDA fails, You guys deserve the filth you are groveling in. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:15 AM:

    " To Observer: Can you give us a breakdown of the $98,735.87 approved expenses for another consultant last night? Item K10. I didn't think so. "

    Layla Bohm, reporter wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:10 AM:

    " wtf: Three people opposed to redevelopment were at the meeting and one of them, Marianne Rivera, spoke to the council. It came at the end of the meeting, sometime around 9:45 p.m. Other than the council members, that was the only public comment on the matter. "

    Edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:05 AM:

    " To Observer: I heard your were going back to work for D and D! LOL "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:02 AM:

    " To Observer: I am one of the leading advocates for the MORR group- duh! "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:01 AM:

    " Quoting Observer: "Do you think they should be prosecuted? Absolutely!"

    Is that close enough? Now in the spirit if good and honest civic responsibilty, I have another question for you. If you learn about any agreements or meetings that are not public concerning RDA money or contracts and subcontracts will you report it? If not WHY? "

    Observer wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:51 AM:

    " Ok, papercut, t&c, edumacation....are you really that thick? You asked me, "do you think they should be prosecuted?". My answer in the next post, "Absolutely". Is it really that difficult for you? Now I want you to back up your statement. And by the way, the people involved in the opposition to the RDA are very intelligent and caring individuals.....you'd better stay away from them. They don't need your kind of help. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 AM:

    " To Observer: You are obviously silent. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:47 AM:

    " To Observer: I promise you. Every day, 24 hours 7 days 365 days, we will be waiting. If the RDA lasts 40 years we will still be watching the transactions INCLUDING FAMILY MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:44 AM:

    " To Observer. Are you really sure of your answer? I only asked a question and did not make a statement. "

    T&c wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:43 AM:

    " Mr. observer, I notice you never have anything to add to these blogs that're anything of vlaue. It's only question after question as if you're one of those corrupted bruthahood boys themselves. What's your problem? Do your own research and start putting the names together. Don't you wonder why the same names are always involved, mostly indirectly, by using aka's for several different business fronts with the same financial backers. "

    Observer wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:36 AM:

    " Absolutely! Now tell me which council member "made money" of his/her vote on the matter and how it was made? If you're going to make statements like that you'd better be willing to back them up. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 AM:

    " To Observer: You may be technically correct. But maybe you can answer this one. What would you say about a council member who makes money off the deal they voted on? Do you think they should be prosecuted? I want to hear this answer. "

    Observer wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:13 AM:

    " Papercutting Taxpayer.....you've be caught already.....let's limit your postings to one name. Anyway, the Council did exactly what it should have done if it believed in redevelopment. The opponents will do exactly what they need to do. That's all about the process. The Council should not disregard their resonsibilities based on a few people showing up at a council meeting. That happens all of the time. If it takes the opponents the entire alloted time to collect the signatures then so be it. "

    papercut wrote on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 AM:

    " edumacation, Blair King has his contacts from his other leadership positions he's been run off of. One is Auriga and the other is Preston Pipeline out of the bay area. That's where all these consultants come fro, too, Blair's panhandle list. Just start googling either, or both, Blair King or Randi Johl, our city clerk and the cities of - Half Moon Bay, Imperial Beach, Soledad, Milpitas, Coalinga, and Euraka and they'll also lead you to many other links that show many of these in the same web and business partnerships. Of course, you know there are companies here in Lodi that have several different names and are licking their chops to get at that money too. I think that's why, and what will pay for deedee construction new building and relocation. They're all tied into this large web of corruption and the grand jury will have fun with this one, especially the three ayemeegos that are tied in with all the business interests and gob's that stand to pocket money for literally just having land in that proposed area like Geweke Ford and Sanborn Chevrolet. "

    papercut wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:59 AM:

    " The meeting was at 7PM last night and the three cockroaches crawled out from under their firewood pile at rosewood long enough to vote yes against te citizens' wishes and also that of Madam Mayor Mounce. Why weren't the three ayemeegos willing to give the citizens a chance to vote on this issue. Johnson say only twenty or so spoke against so he didn't think just 20 or so people deserved a vote. But he didn't tell you there were only three that spoke up for it - Gillespie, Chamber gofer Patrick, and, I believe, Mr. Easterling, who was the downfall of the DLBP with his corruption. So Johnson, three of your buddies and business partners and your private financial dealings with them is more important than your citizens? If you weren't the most disrespected buffoon on council, you are now, with Hansen a close second. Wow, it's so hard to believe you have no concern for your citizens. How can you put that land out in the swamp at the Goehring meat polluted factory when it's not even annexed to Lodi yet? Looks like the big dogs got you right where they want you. Good luck buffoons! "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:51 AM:

    " I will be watching "big boy" to make sure he doesn't go back into the appraising business again---you know for a little taste of more money. As long as he is using someone elses license no one will know?? Ha ha. You can't go up the stairs that fast. "

    wtf wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:48 AM:

    " Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky....Greedy, greedy, greedy....that's the Lodi City Council with the exception of Mayor Mounce.

    From the Agenda, it looks like this was passed at the regular 7:00 p.m. meeting.

    http://publicdocs.lodi.gov/Docs/AGENDAS/2008/07-02-08agn.pdf

    Councilman Bob Johnson, before voting for the process, noted that the council has heard from about 20 citizens who oppose it. And says this is not enough for a city-wide vote. What the LNS does not mention is how many citizens showed up and spoke in **favor** of redevelopment - or are we, the citizens of Lodi, just supposed to accept that the THREE (not 20) city council members represent all of us?

    How many spoke in favor of this? LNS please find out and update this story. "

    edumacation wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:47 AM:

    " The city council circus act is still doing bidding for the GOB. But wait! What happens if ANY GOB tries to get local contracts construction or development? Its sounds like grand jury time and law suits. The problem with criminals is they get greedy. They keep going back to the same trough to eat. I bet a few "good ol boyz" put cream and sugar in their coffee this morning. I wonder how they divided up the money---that hasn't yet been spent? Lets see, I'll get this work and you get that work, that will make it appear like no one was the pig. oink oink "

    Mad Dog wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:10 AM:

    " How can they expect me to show up at 7am for a council meeting? Is it ok for me to come in my bathrobe and winnie the pooh bedroom slippers? "

    KenH wrote on Jul 3, 2008 5:44 AM:

    " perhaps having a meeting at 7PM like normal city councils, there would have been probably more than just 20 people saying "no" to this idea, but due to these odd 7AM meetings, things are getting passed quickly by the city council without opposition. *shifty eyes + suspense music* "

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