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Should Hillary Clinton drop out of the campaign because of Barack Obama's success?


Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:17 AM PDT

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Sean Snell
Lodi
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"Absolutely. It's done. It's over."
Darlene Johnson
Stockton
Retired
"No, because I think she can do well. I think maybe Obama should drop out."
Tom Boschee
Lodi
Sales
"I think she should stay. I like to see her and Obama argue."
Roger Graddy
Stockton
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"Definitely. I think she's separating the Democratic party by staying in the race too long."
Danielle Debow
Davis
Marketing
"No, I do not, because I think that we want the best candidate in office."

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observor9 wrote on May 16, 2008 11:12 PM:

" very nice clip! I do not think Obama would not do a good job, I just think he and Hillary are very similar and out of the two I would lean towards the one with more experience (also I like some of her specific policies like Iraq and Healthcare). All in all, I just want to see a democrat in office in January. "

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sam wrote on May 16, 2008 1:59 PM:

" Observor9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuVNZPoVPYg&feature=user


I thought this was interesting. "

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Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 1:56 PM:

" observor9 wrote on May 16, 2008 7:10 AM:

All in all, I think she is the better choice because she and Obama are extremely similar but she has the experience. "

Yes, she has experience voting for the War in Iraq, voting for the Patriot Act, voting to rubber stamp Bush's disastrous foreign policy.

It is exactly Hillary's experience that makes her utterly unsuitable to be President of this country. "

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Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 1:52 PM:

" observor9 wrote on May 16, 2008 7:10 AM:

" Hillary has long been a activist for civil rights for many minority groups so I doubt the validity of that quote, can I see where you got it?

Sure, the quote is from a USA Today interview on May 8 that is reported at the following link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

She says that she is referring to an AP article but her characterization of "good hardworking Americans" as "white Americans" is all her own. "

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sam wrote on May 16, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Leonard, this one is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULyka2Bfp04&NR=1

Happy Friday. "

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observor9 wrote on May 16, 2008 7:10 AM:

" Hillary has long been a activist for civil rights for many minority groups so I doubt the validity of that quote, can I see where you got it? Also, just because you say Obama would win now does not make that so. Polls show that Hillary still has the majority in those states. All in all, I think she is the better choice because she and Obama are extremely similar but she has the experience. "

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Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 5:34 AM:

" Another point to consider is the fact that Obama has turned out huge votes in Southern States that have voted red for 25 years.

With the combination of conservative disgust regarding the Bush fiasco and general conservative apathy regarding McCain, Obama could actually take some of these states in the general election.

Such a victory, along with its attendant gains in Congress, would fundamentally change the American political landscape.

There's that word again.

Change.... "

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Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 2:01 AM:

" wins, that is. "

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Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 2:01 AM:

" Even if you cancel the Convention and go by popular vote, Obama still winds.

Hillary is beat and she has been for a long time. She should pack up her obnoxious husband and go on vacation for a couple of months. Thailand might be nice, I am sure Bill would love it.

She can come home in December, just in time to get ready for the inauguration. "

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Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 1:58 AM:

" observor9 wrote on May 15, 2008 9:55 PM:
" Someone who supports Hillary and not her husband, that's who.

You mean "good Americans, hard wroking Americans....white Americans"? Hillary has gone on the racial attack one time to many to have any credibility among minority voters.

I repeat what I said before. If the primary was held today in the states where Hillary won early on, many of them would go for Obama.

I have no doubt that California will go for Obama in November as will New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts. "

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observor9 wrote on May 15, 2008 9:55 PM:

" Someone who supports Hillary and not her husband, that's who. Hillary still holds the majority in California as well as other "key" states. You can twist that however you want, but those are the facts. I have no problem with you relying on delagates, but I believe that the American people and not a few representatives should determine their president and that is why I support popular vote. "

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Leonard wrote on May 15, 2008 6:09 PM:

" I think the nomination should go to the candidate who has the most delegates. Whether you count super delegates or just the regular delegates, whether you count Michigan or Florida or both or neither, no matter how you cut it, that candidate is Obama. "

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Leonard wrote on May 15, 2008 6:05 PM:

" I suspect that the so called "key states" that she won early on would go for Obama if the primary were held today.

California is a good example of this. Clinton's advantage with Latino voters, which was largely the product of good will towards her husband, has evaporated, particularly in the light of Bill's new found fondness for racial innuendo.

How many of those voters would support a candidate who defines "good Americans, hardworking Americans" as "white Americans"? "

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observor9 wrote on May 15, 2008 5:08 PM:

" I have been checking around on the internet for the popular vote counts of Obama and Hillary and they are neck and neck with around or less than a 1% difference on several sites. Also, the fact remains that the key democratic states essential to the democratic party presidential race were won by Hillary, California for example. I also prefer her to Obama because of her Healthcare policy and her Iraq policy. Also, she and Obama have extremely similar policies and the fact that she has more political experience persuades me to her side. "

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Robb wrote on May 15, 2008 10:11 AM:

" She is definitely the weakest candidate in the race... "

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Leonard wrote on May 14, 2008 10:55 PM:

" Its interesting to note that Hillary's campaign torpedoed the plans to hold a revote in Florida because polls showed that she would lose by a WIDE margin.

Every day, more super delegates desert Hillary for Obama. The time has come for Hillary to acknowledge the inevitable and to abandon her futile efforts to divide the party. "

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Leonard wrote on May 14, 2008 10:53 PM:

" To say that Hillary is ahead in the popular votes simply is not correct. Obama is well ahead by a couple hundred thousand votes.

As for Florida, Obama's success is driven by grassroots organizing while Clinton's is more machine driven. Both candidates agreed ahead of time that they would not count Florida's delegates and, consequently, that they would not campaign in Florida. Who is to say what would have happened if Obama had campaigned there. In any case, there is no reason to rescind the decision Hillary made before the vote just because Hillary needs the delegates after the vote. "

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observor9 wrote on May 14, 2008 10:08 PM:

" Leonard: Nevermind I just checked and you are correct about Michigan, but she still won Florida by a fairly large margin. And although Obama has more dels. Hillary does have the popular vote, seeing as she won several primaries votewise, but more delagates were awarded to Obama. In short, I disagree that Obama has the popular vote and it is almost impossible to know who has it for sure. I think she should stay. (Thanks for the info, too!) "

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observor9 wrote on May 14, 2008 10:04 PM:

" Leonard: Can you give me the link to where you got your info? I'd like to check it out! Thanks "

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voter wrote on May 14, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Thanks for the info, Leonard, I didn't know that. "

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leonard wrote on May 14, 2008 6:13 PM:

" The only candidates whose names appeared on the Michigan ballot were Clinton, Kucinich, Gravel and Dodd, (who had already withdrawn).

Even with Obama's name not appearing on the ballot, a full 40% of voters refused to vote for Hillary and instead checked "undecided". "

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Leonard wrote on May 14, 2008 6:04 PM:

" observor9 wrote on May 14, 2008 3:03 PM:
" Leonard, I will give you that Obama has more delagates AND superdelagates, I hadn't checked the recent numbers and the last I knew Clinton was in the lead with Superdels.

He overtook her in super delegates on Friday. He's led her in the popular vote by 700,000+ votes since February.

Tonight Edwards endorsed Obama which adds 19 more delegates to his overwhelming lead.

The time is long past for Hillary to admit that this is a fight that she cannot win. Once, she had the opportunity to be gracious, now she just needs to do what she can to avoid looking pathetic.

In the words of John Edwards, the people of America have made their choice. "

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observor9 wrote on May 14, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Leonard, I will give you that Obama has more delagates AND superdelagates, I hadn't checked the recent numbers and the last I knew Clinton was in the lead with Superdels. That does not change that she has the popular vote. (By the way, Obama's name was on the ballot in Michigan and Florida, it was just an unofficial primary, but when Clinton moved to make them official, of course Obama said no because she had won those states.) Also, if you take a look at the states that Hillary has won, you will notice that they are major states that the democrats usually take during the Presidential election. So, I personally think that it will come down to the electoral college and that she has a good chance for the factors of 1) popular vote and 2) the states she has won. "

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Leonard wrote on May 14, 2008 1:42 PM:

" observor9 wrote on May 12, 2008 8:20 PM:

" I personally think she should stay, considering, if you count Florida and Michigan, she has the popular vote of the Democrtic party. Also, she has more superdelagates than Obama does. "

Indeed. Michigan proves that she can win in states where her opponents names are not on the ballot.

Obama has, however, taken the lead in super delegates, along with regular delegates and the popular vote. "

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observor9 wrote on May 12, 2008 8:20 PM:

" I personally think she should stay, considering, if you count Florida and Michigan, she has the popular vote of the Democrtic party. Also, she has more superdelagates than Obama does. "

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Cogito wrote on May 11, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Voter re: your 9:32 post, that's correct, and they provide it TO congress. "

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Cogito wrote on May 11, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Yeah, back in the day you could imaginr President Reagan and Tip O'Neill arguing in chambers all day, then afterward going out for a beer together. Even though they were adversaries, you could detect their mutual respect for one another in the way they conducted themselves. Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi have zero respect for the President and vice versa. It's all about us vs. them, not about what's good for the country. If their for it, then I have to be against it is their line of thought. "

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nextel wrote on May 11, 2008 10:05 AM:

" LOL! Damn near aspirated my coffee laughing at that car analogy Cog! That was beautiful man. And Voter, You get down with your bad self on this Mothers day. Nice exchange, I'm off to brunch with Mom. A great day to all of you! "

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voter wrote on May 11, 2008 9:35 AM:

" Partisanship is ruining this country more than any other force. I agree, we all want the same things--affordable healthcare, decent schools, safe cities, an efficient and ready military, and an opportunity to work hard and prosper. Why has this all become so difficult in the past 20 years? "

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voter wrote on May 11, 2008 9:32 AM:

" My understanding of the Congressional Budget Office is that they provide estimates and analysis of proposed costs of legislation. "

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Cogito wrote on May 11, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Yeah, voter, ain't that the truth! Bipartisanship is a thing of the past. Too bad, we want mostly the same things. "

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voter wrote on May 11, 2008 9:27 AM:

" I like your analogy, Cogito. I think it is a pretty fair comparison, as far as my understanding of the process goes. And you stated it yourself--the budget begins and ends with the President--he has the power to set the course (quite a bit stronger than recommendations) and "force" changes, as you say--my point exactly. This is why that balanced budget, brokered by Clinton and supported by Lott, is so remarkable. "

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Cogito wrote on May 11, 2008 9:01 AM:

" Voter, you need to check your facts, the president submits recommendations to congress, nothing more. It's like the President tells congress "I want a car. I want to have four seats, a cd player, and a zippy engine". Then congress goes about building the entire car(thats why it's called the 'congressional budget office'). Congress, while it's building the car says "we're going to be riding in it too, so we're going to put in things we like". when they're done, they show the car to the president. He, or she, then can say "You put in a 24 cd changer, a 6 would be more than enough, and that 500 horsepower engine needs to be changed out for a 6 cylinder." They can haggle the details, or the president can tell them to junk it and bring something more reasonable. That, in an analogy is how U.S. budgets are put together. They are NOT put together by the president, he just has the power, at the risk of his career, to make recommendations and force changes. "

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voter wrote on May 11, 2008 7:27 AM:

" The Federal Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the president create and submit a budget to Congress no later than the first Monday in February each year. The president alone is responsible. You may be thinking of that pork barrel stuff which congress attaches to all kinds of bills. It quadrupled from 1994-2005, when republicans ran the congress. In 2006, when democrats had the edge, it was cut in half in one year. Both parties are guilty of pork barrel spending, but in recent decades, the democrats as a whole do so less and democratic presidents create more responsible budgets. "

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voter wrote on May 11, 2008 7:15 AM:

" I too have far more respect for Goldwater than any other republican in recent memory. Reagan cut the tax rate while drastically increasing defense spending--the president creates the budget, not congress. In addition, he may submit as many appropriations bills as he wants. As for a balanced budget, that last one was a joint effort spearheaded and submitted by Clinton. I watched an interview with Trent Lott. He spoke of how Clinton approached him with the desire for a balanced budget and how this would reflect well on both of them if they could just drop politics for a moment and work towards a common goal. Lott and Clinton worked together to get a balanced budget submitted and passed. How great was that? "

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Cogito wrote on May 10, 2008 11:08 PM:

" Also, voter, the only balanced budgets we've had in recent history were all submitted by a REPUBLICAN led congress. All Billy had to do was sign it, take the credit, and go back to being an embarrassment to his family and his office. "

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Cogito wrote on May 10, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Nextel, I agree that the party has fallen off the platform. But Reagan was the greatest President of the last 100 years. But, you're right about Barry too. I'd like to see a guy like him now. But regardless of registration, and as far as they've strayed, I still consider Republican the lesser of two evils. It's too bad that's our only real choices. (NOBODY say Ron Paul! I said "real") "

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Cogito wrote on May 10, 2008 10:29 PM:

" Voter, all spending originates in congress, not in the oval office. Both houses in congress were led by the Democrats all 8 years of Reagan's presidency. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid. "

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nextel wrote on May 10, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Cog, "supposed to be the party to spend less, tax less and start fewer Wars." Brother, your party has left You! The last Republican true to the platform was Goldwater and he should have been President. He knew how important it was to put Country and the Constitution before party. He understood fiscal responsibility, less Government, Government transparency and curbing entitlements. And he knew how important it was to keep Church and state separate . Do your self a favor and register Independent or Decline to State, until your Party comes back to it's platform. "

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voter wrote on May 10, 2008 7:18 AM:

" Cogito, Reagan was a big spender who sunk us deep in debt. "

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Cogito wrote on May 10, 2008 12:27 AM:

" Nextel, Bush fell off of the Republican platform years ago. If you look through our history, Republicans are supposed to be the ones who spend less, tax less, and start fewer wars. This guy can't be gone soon enough. "

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nextel wrote on May 9, 2008 11:15 PM:

" LOL! Man, looks like some folks left Republican rehab a little too early. Don't see anything thought provoking here, but I do love to partake in the fun zone. I think a dream ticket for McBush would be Mark Foley as Veep so they can give new meaning to "no child left behind" and Larry Craig as Sec of Defense, so he can implement the "don't ask, don't tell" restroom Policy. Then maybe put Newt Sausage ass Gingrich on the supreme court to change adultery laws to protect cheating creeps like himself. Then just stick to the same Republican platform that Bush lives by. Barrow and spend, create more Government,start a war you can't finish, and kill the economy for another four years. God help us get McCain. "

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sam wrote on May 9, 2008 9:18 PM:

" Geez T&C, you steal someone's blog identity and you are preaching about how bad Democratics are? Raymond, give us a break. "

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Cogito wrote on May 9, 2008 6:08 PM:

" How about Ted as ATF chief? He'd ban firearms and drink all of the alcohol. Obama should make Hillary his VP, it would be almost a guarantee to thwart any assassination attempts. He wouldn't even need the Secret Service to follow him around. He may even be the safest person in the country! Scrutiny, Al Sharpton on the supreme court? Many may say impossible since he's not a lawyer. But we have had many supreme court justices who never spent a day in law school. SCARY! "

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Scrutiny wrote on May 9, 2008 4:36 PM:

" Well Nextel, if you hate Hillary you`re REALLY gonna hate Pres. Obama! How`s Al Sharpton on the Supreme Court grab ya! Maybe even Ted Kennedy as Secretary of State! "

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T & C wrote on May 9, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Neither Hillary nor Obama are interested in STRENGTHENING our borders! Demos are not FOR creating jobs, they are for SOCIAL programs! Programs hand someone a check each month. They do NOT put people to work! Neither is for a strong defense! To state she will NUKE IRAN would result in a total cutoff of oil, or $10.00 a gallon at the pump! What a nice thing to look forward to! "

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nextel wrote on May 8, 2008 9:47 PM:

" Your dreaming Scrutiny! She maybe takes Florida, and if she does, it's not by enough. And Michigan is ground zero for jobs lost from NAFTA. And we all know her hubba Bubba pushed that one through with the help of a Republican majority. She gets slain in Michigan and would never get any crossover Ind or Rep votes in Nov. This Hag is so bought and paid for by PAC, Pharma and other seedy money, and she blows with the wind like a career Politician. In short, the Women makes me sick. "

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Cogito wrote on May 8, 2008 9:25 PM:

" Scrutiny, maybe that's why the DNC hasn't taken a stronger stance in telling her to stop. It was their stupid decision to start this thing early. The coronation of Hillary never came to fruition, and they're partially to blame. Now what do they do except let her do damage until the election. Nobody in charge has a spine, yet they want to run the country. God help us get McCain. "

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Scrutiny wrote on May 8, 2008 9:01 PM:

" If it were not for the Dem. voters of Florida and Michigan being disenfranchised by the morons at the DNC, Hillary would be LEADING this race! No ifs, ands or buts! "

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nextel wrote on May 8, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Spot on Gog, stick a fork in the Hilldabeast. Ducking all that faux sniper fire made her feel bullet proof. "

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Cogito wrote on May 8, 2008 8:28 AM:

" I think the fact that Hillary is still in the race proves that she has a mental disorder. Whether it's based in her narcissistic ego, or her off base sense of entitlement, as it stands, she is serving only to be a divisive element in the Democrat Party right now. But, she cares more about herself than either her party, or her country. Maybe she's angry that she's spent so many years married to a man who doesn't respect her, in order to get this opportunity, and refuses to acknowledge it's over. "

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