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Seniors express concern about Galt Wal-Mart

Updated: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:54 PM PDT

As homeowners in the senior development of Emerald Village and within close proximity to the proposed Wal-Mart on Twin Cities Road in Galt, we would like to express our concerns.

We find this proposal preposterous and detrimental to our safety and the safety of our neighbors, the decreased value of our homes, the inevitable traffic congestion and the increase in crime that seems to go hand in hand with Wal-Mart stores. Recent studies have shown that Wal-Mart stores and crime are highly correlated, resulting in an increase in crime and the need for heightened police participation.

Regarding "Is Wal-Mart Safe," (WakeUpWalMart.com, 2006), one finding within the study found that "Nationally, Wal-Mart stores cost local taxpayers an estimated $77 million in increased policing costs in 2004." In another study of 551 stores, there were close to 1 million calls to the police — two incidents per minute in 2004.

These express only two of the grave concerns and crucial issues for the citizens of Galt. What would the costs be in 2008? Certainly not less but a great deal more. Is the Galt Police Department ready for this added burden? It is with sincere concern for our community that we feel the city of Galt should seriously reconsider allowing a Wal-Mart store to be built at the current location. We hope the leaders of our town will foster the safety and security of their citizens by rejecting this Wal-Mart.

Richard and Felice Vitorelo
Galt

Reader Feedback

leo wrote on May 3, 2008 2:06 AM:

" has anyone seen the documentary "walmart: the high cost of low prices?" it's very informative and scary for that matter. my husband and i definitely enjoy bargain prices (doesn't everyone??) but refuse to step foot in any wal-mart store since watching the documentary. check it out. "

Falcon wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:19 PM:

" I want a nuclear car that runs for 15 years like the aircraft carriers. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Gotta agree with you on that point, Cogito. "

Cogito wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Voter, the bad thing is like you said, with the economic growth of China and India, world demand on natural resources will have to be dealt with somehow, or we will be forced to change. Mad Max will look like a visionary film. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:30 PM:

" That's the kind of thing we need to invest in. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:29 PM:

" Yep, I'm pretty intrigued by the whole wave generated electricity thing too. It sounds VERY promising and there are a couple of small experimental plants online now. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:28 PM:

" Peak Oil is the point in time when maximum rate of global production is reached, after which production is in terminal decline. If we pump more out faster, we'll reach Peak Oil faster. "

Cogito wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:27 PM:

" If we could find a way to harness tidal movement, that could be huge and never ending. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:25 PM:

" Careful management and usage of the resources we have left is essential, along with investment in new technologies. It's not possible for us to continue with current levels of consumption indefinitely. "

Cogito wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:25 PM:

" Voter we are reaching peak oil for two important reasons. We are not drilling for even the easy oil, and were not building more refineries to increase production even if we do get more oil. Our government is standing in the way of big oil giving us more production, which is what they want, because that would make them even MORE money. Some geologists say there are centuries more supply under the ground, if we can get it out. Europeans pay more for fuel for the same reason Californians pay more than Nevadans, taxes and more taxes. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:19 PM:

" Continued--I think there are many other alternative energy sources that are viable, although none available now will be the ultimate solution. Multiple technologies (solar, wind, and wave generated electricity) will be cost effective in certain locales. I actually like the fact that Gov. Arnie is really promoting green technology as economically profitable and environmentally sound. "

voter wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:15 PM:

" Yep, declining value of dollar is a factor, but gasoline is still costing Europeans more. Rapidly increasing demand (China and India) is a HUGE factor. As for supply, it has artificially been curtailed by the OPEC oil cartel. There is a finite supply of fossil fuels and just about everyone agrees we are reaching peak oil. Most experts agree that the easily accessible deposits of light sweet crude oil are almost exhausted--lots of heavy crude, but very expensive to extract. I agree with your assessment of the corn/biofuels situation--in the long run, not viable. "

Cogito wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:07 PM:

" Voter, the largest exporter of oil to the U.S. is Canada, then Mexico. The problem right now is supply, followed by a declining dollar. If we were allowed to go after all our oil in Anwar, and off our coast, coupled with the huge supply in the Dakotas and Montana, we could drive down the price by creating a glut. Millions will die worldwide in a food shortage when we start using effective amounts of farmland for biofuels. If we go electric, we need to mine more coal, build nuclear plants, and dam more rivers. Those are the choices. "

Falcon wrote on Apr 28, 2008 11:11 PM:

" voter,

I will concede that oil prices are not simplistic and is a product of many factors such as demand, oil cartels, speculative investing, etc. etc. etc, but limiting Americas supply by restricting our ability to drill and refine, as extreme environmentalists would have it, definitely costs us all more money.

It is axiomatic and simplistic. Less supply at any demand level or higher costs of production from increased regulation, results in higher prices to the consumer. Extreme environmentalism costs us more money at the gas pump. "

voter wrote on Apr 28, 2008 9:45 PM:

" Falcon, the price of oil is the result of many, many factors, including, but not limited to middle east conflicts, rise in demand from China and India, shenanigans on the part of OPEC, a decrease in reserves, and regulations--it's a complex issue. Blaming it on environmental protections, which would certainly have some effect, is simplistic, to say the least. "

falcon wrote on Apr 28, 2008 7:58 PM:

" voter and OTH,

Do you think that greater environmental restrictions, hindering oil supply, bring the price of oil down? "

falcon wrote on Apr 28, 2008 7:52 PM:

" voter & OTH

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12623 "

girard74 wrote on Apr 28, 2008 12:30 AM:

" I apologize - my previous post was meant for a different blog here on LNS. Sorry. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 28, 2008 12:29 AM:

" But I can definitively state that I have never even "borrowed" anyone's work ever without giving full credit. That being said I've never posted LNS blogs (archived or otherwise) anywhere.

I cannot even access archived items because I simply don't want to pay for them.

When someone states they can "verify" their claims I expect that such proof would be forthcoming. OTH - do you have anything further to add? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 8:51 PM:

" Voter - I thought the same thing as well; for a long time. Yet, when I've evaluated the reasoning behind it, I find that it doesn't always make sense. There are things that I might disagree on with someone else that would cause me to "respect" their opinion although it differs from mine. However, when objective reasoning is presented and the other side obviously won't even consider it, then it makes no sense to concede the point.

I've encountered this just a few times on these blogs. My reputation here should portray me as someone who, when wrong, admits it. "

voter wrote on Apr 27, 2008 8:38 PM:

" Girard, I've always thought that "agreeing to disagree" was a realization by both parties that the other was not likely to change their mind, and was a respectful way to end a discussion where a consensus was unlikely to be reached. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 8:20 PM:

" OTH wrote, '...as I said we will agree to disagree.'

I know that many use this phrase as if to suggest by stating it in this fashion somehow "requires" the other side of the debate to agree to "agree to disagree." This is not always the case. By doing so would be a tacit acceptance that the differences that exist are either so minute and insignificant that further debate isn't worthy, OR that one side or the other is equally acceptable insofar as the quality of the argument. That doesn't apply here. However, I mean no offense to you personally. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 7:49 PM:

" Also, for those who believe Wal-Mart is such an "evil empire" of retailers, does its $272.9 million given to charities in 2007 belie that contention?

Or perhaps they should have given just $1 more to gain acceptance. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 7:27 PM:

" What I find amusing is when a credible argument is put forth against or for a particular issue, those with little or no standing turn tail and run. They would rather do that than to either offer support for their stand or admit that they may be wrong.

Courage. "

OTH wrote on Apr 27, 2008 7:11 PM:

" girard are you off your medication? Taking too much?

You have gotten way over the top with this and as I said we will agree to disagree.

You can continue to agrue with yourself. Night "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 5:09 PM:

" What I would not have done would be to pillory the very same company that provided over $400,000 in care for this lady for exercising their absolute rights under the contract to which the lady agreed.

If this lady had no health insurance and since the injury had nothing to do with Wal-Mart except that at the time of the accident she was employed by them, what "rights" would she then have to go after Wal-Mart? Was it a Wal-Mart truck? No, it wasn't.

Talk about biting the hand of the company that was helping her!

OTH - What is YOUR solution? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 5:06 PM:

" If I was a member of this lady's family I would have made sure that I fully understood what was going on regarding not only the driver of the truck and the company he worked for, but also what Wal-Mart's stake would be in all of this.

I would have demanded that my attorney provide me with every possible bit of information regarding any possible outcome from the trial. I would then weigh the odds and proceeded accordingly including what impact this would have on the lady with brain damage and the rest of the family.

That's what I would have done. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 5:04 PM:

" No, OTH, let's not. Let's pretend that this lady's family knew that Wal-Mart would exercise their right to retrieve their money if they won the suit? Let's pretend that their attorney advised them that there was a good chance that Wal-Mart would demand (or even sue) to have the money turned over to them. And let's further pretend that their attorney advised them that there was a chance they could win MUCH MORE than what was owed to Wal-Mart - how does this make Wal-Mart the bad guys, regardless of this lady's condition?

(cont...) "

sam wrote on Apr 27, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Raymond, you already have a walmart in town. Why pave over more farmland? You do not want to preserve Lodi's small town feel?

Pave over paradise until we hit Stockton and I-5?? "

OTH wrote on Apr 27, 2008 2:02 PM:

" girard74

I'm not sure where you get entitlement. The woman is brain damaged. You do know what that is right?

IMHO if you were this ladies family you would be doing the same things they are.

Let's agree to disagree okay "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Of course what would the answer be to the question of the amount of attorneys' fees won and collected by the attorney who filed suit on the woman's behalf against the trucking company? Let's see, one-third (normal contingency) of $477,000? Does $158,841 sound like a lot of money to anyone here? Yet, according to the "agreement" between the attorney and his/her client, it's legal, moral and ethical. And Wal-Mart is the bad guy?!? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM:

" Unless otherwise determined, the real "villain" in this woman's case is the attorney representing her interests and those of her family. Had he/she performed a modicum of "due diligence" prior to filing suit against the trucking company that employed the driver of the truck that hit her, he/she would have easily recognized the requirement that Wal-Mart would be due reimbursement from whatever judgment was won in that case. Not making that determination and/or disclosing it to the woman and her family is an apparent case of incompetency and malpractice - their attorney should be sued and sued big-time. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM:

" OTH-it has nothing to do with compassion and empathy. If Wal-Mart is "evil," fine - go after those things that make them truly evil.

But when people condemn a person or company for doing what is correct and lawful, what does that make US? You better believe that the woman in question did everything she could to make sure Wal-Mart and the underwriter of her insurance policy did all they were required to do under the contract. It makes Wal-Mart a hideous company for doing the very same thing?

When will this type of "entitlement-demanding" end? Why have a contract at all? "

OTH wrote on Apr 27, 2008 12:12 PM:

" Girard74
Your compassion and empathy are overwhelming. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 11:54 AM:

" OTH wrote, 'Score one for the little guy!'

Score what? Wal-Mart did nothing illegal, immoral or unethical. They paid out what they were required to pay out. The medical insurance contract was crystal clear in its wording that if this woman won a law-suit exacting money from the entity who harmed her that Wal-Mart would be reimbursed. As I stated earlier, if she had won nothing, Wal-Mart would have been entitled to nothing - yet they already PAID over $400,000 according to the contract.

The only "score" here is this further contention of entitlement by people who are simply not entitled. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM:

" So, Wal-Mart was legally entitled to recoup the money from this woman. Should they have not gone after it? Only for PR purposes yes.

Yet we are a nation of law and under those laws we "agree" to certain obligations when we sign contracts. If this woman had NOT won her own law-suit, Wal-Mart would not/could not file any action against her. Wal-Mart did exactly what they agreed to do - put out all that money with no guarantee of getting it back. Didn't this woman's attorney realize that she would be obligated to pay Wal-Mart if she won her law-suit? "

T & C wrote on Apr 27, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Here is the PLAN! If you don't want to shop at Wal-Mart, don't go there! Spend your plastic at Safeway, Raley's, and S-Mart, and I promise you that you'll take have the bags inside yo put away! If you want to pay more and get less, I won't argue! I love seeing smiles at Wal-Mart. GAS NEVER ever to go pow, means less and less $$$ for every family, be they single or seniors! I am a disabled vet and I am very happy to stretch my $$$$ and have a decent quality of life. Stop Your complaining! "

voter wrote on Apr 27, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Falcon, can you give me a couple of links to substantiate your claims, especially the one attributing the high cost of gasoline recently to environmentalism? "

OTH wrote on Apr 27, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Falcon

I'm not sure you can lay the high price of gasoline exclusively on extreme restrictive enviromentalism.

Right now there are many factors driving oil prices.

I have no problem with people shopping at Wal-Mart. I do have a problem with some of their corporate practices.

Believe me I know what living on a budget means and shopping for low prices. "

Falcon wrote on Apr 27, 2008 7:37 AM:

" It is a sad consequence of all of this Wal-Mart bashing, founded by unions, that the many who would save money by shopping there, loose.

This is very similar to the result all of the extreme restrictive environmentalism has provided; we pay a higher price at the gas pump. "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 11:31 PM:

" Falcon

I first heard this on the Keith Olberman show. Every night he would bring it up and pretty soon it began to get national press.

Yes Wal-Mart decided to give the money back to the lady and it's my understanding with interest and court costs.

I guess someone finally realized that $400,000 dollars was not worth the bad press to a multimillion dollar company.

Score one for the little guy! "

Falcon wrote on Apr 26, 2008 9:03 PM:

" OTH,

In a surprising turn-around Walmart has decided to drop its effort to collect $400,000 in money awarded to a brain damaged former employee, says the Associated Press.

Is this true?
"

girard74 wrote on Apr 26, 2008 5:53 PM:

" Statistics can be funny things. Too bad it's not so easy to determine how many crimes (shoplifting, robbery, etc.) can be "associated" with Target Stores or K-Marts or perhaps Macy's and J.C. Penny. I would think that wherever you have retail stores, there you will find people desiring to create victims regardless of the type or brand of store it is. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 26, 2008 5:48 PM:

" Now, not that I'm a voracious Wal-Mart shopper, let's be fair here. The writer alluded to the high crime generated by Wal-Mart stores. Yet on the very website referred to in the letter there is a link taking you to a page listing Wal-Mart stores and the number of police calls generated from them within 100 miles of Lodi since 2002 - not one police call is listed for the Lodi store.

Even though the authors live in Galt (just south of Elk Grove which IS on the list), I submit that Lodi would be a better representative comparison. "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 4:02 PM:

" voter
I have to agree with you.
"

voter wrote on Apr 26, 2008 11:55 AM:

" girard, they tailor their marketing and merchandise to a certain demographic--it's more than the low prices. Why else would anyone sell spandex? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 26, 2008 11:40 AM:

" I am curious about something. Is it simply because of their lower prices that creates this magnet effect for people of dubious moral character to shop at Wal-Mart? Being on a fixed income (disabled), I try to save every penny I can and Wal-Mart's prices on items I use regularly simply cannot be matched elsewhere.

Yet, I consider myself a person of quality, although there are those who question my political sanity/morality (as is their privilege).

But I DO sometimes shop in fear at the Lodi Wal-Mart. If it's just the low prices, what does that truly indicate? "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 11:01 AM:

" One question and then Ill go away. Does anyone know if there are any Wal-Marts located in the residental neighborhoods their corporate officers or executives live in? "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Sorry that should have read "insurance settlement money." "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Her husband had to divorce her so she could get a few dollars more in Medicaid to pay for her treatment.

Thank God after this going nationwide the great multi-billion dollar corporation decided to give her money back even though it was THEIRS.

That's just big as hell of them. Personally I will never set foot in a Wal-Mart again. Not that I do now. "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 10:53 AM:

" girard74
Good morning back at you. I believe people should have the right to shop where they want.

I personally won't shop Wal-Mart for a number of reasons. Another one was added recently. The corporate giant sunk to a new low by suing a brain damaged former employee saying they were entitled to the money. LA Times 11/21/07.
Now technically they were entitled to her money.

This woman is brain damaged requiring 24/7 care. While lying in a coma her only son died in Iraq. cont'd

"

voter wrote on Apr 26, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Actually, living near any large shopping center would expose a person to added traffic, noise, and possible criminal activity. "

voter wrote on Apr 26, 2008 8:53 AM:

" Girard, I agree that supporting claims with a study by a biased group is not real convincing. However, you have to admit that scary types are drawn to Wally World like moths to a flame--and can be found there at all hours. Not sure if I would want to live near one of those places either. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 26, 2008 8:03 AM:

" OTH - yeah, I am. 5:53 a.m. is even early for me; sorry for the spelling faux pas. Good morning to ya! "

OTH wrote on Apr 26, 2008 8:01 AM:

" girard74 are you referring to the Lindbergh baby? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 26, 2008 5:53 AM:

" So now Wal-Mart itself is responsible for the increase in crime across the nation.

The "study" referred to in the third paragraph of the Vitorelos' letter was evidently sponsored by the "United Food and Commercial Workers International Union." "Objective" report, huh? I don't think so. In fact, a cursory review of the website would indicate Wal-Mart's complicity in the kidnapping of the Limburg baby and the assassinations of virtually every American leader since the nation's inception.

I suggest instead of "Wake-Up Wal-Mart" Wake-Up Ignorant and Misled Citizens!
I'm curious as to whether the authors are members of this particular union. "

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