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History shows founding fathers were Christian


Saturday, April 5, 2008 6:08 AM PDT

In response to the Matthews and Assen letters of March 20:

If there is one thing we learn from history, it's we don't learn anything from history.

Mr. Assen and Mr. Matthews attack and argue from an atheistic world view as demonstrated by their use of "revisionist history," which crumbles in the light of truth.

We know our nation was founded in Christian principle by Christians because history witnessed and recorded it so, and not just on paper, but also in stone.

We only need to visit Washington, D.C., and the capitals of our individual states to see God's Decalogue given through Moses engraved on the granite and marble friezes on our government buildings.

All we must do is read the documents and personal papers of our founding fathers and look at our states' charters and constitutions to see the authors had a biblical world view and a reliance on and accountability to God.

The words of both our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, contrary to statements by Matthews and Assen, speak to our Creator — "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights ... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that the representation of the United States of America in general Congress assembled appealing to the Supreme Judge of the Word for the rectitude of our intentions," etc.; and for the support of this declaration with a firm reliance on the protector of divine providence."

Even our U.S. Constitution preamble alludes to God with the statement "blessings of liberty." The word "blessing" is defined as a statement of divine favor or benediction.

My questions to Matthews and Assen are — Have you guys actually read the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution? And if you guys don't believe there is a Creator, why do you try so hard to deny, denigrate and decry the "big spoke in the sky" that you don't believe in anyway.

William Van Amber Fields
Morada

Reader Feedback

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 3:19 PM:

" I knew you would know that one. That was too easy. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 19, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Of course I do!

I always choke up at the part when, in their concern, the entire stadium rises as one and asks if he can see. That's real humanity for ya.

I'm getting teary just thinking about it. "

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 12:35 PM:

" Billy do you know the words to Jose Can You See? "

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Sam I didn't know about the poem although I'm not surprised. As I told Billie the words I learned from a folk song probably from a group from the East Coast. "

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Billy Rubin the verse I quoted was from a folk song in the sixties.

Lizzie Borden took an axe
and gave her father forty whacks

And when the job was nicely done
She gave her mother forty one.

Then it goes to the jump like a fish verse.


"

sam wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:34 AM:

" Billy and Oth, I meant wierd nursery ryhme, not "comment".
Actually what was fun in finding your ryhme, was actually finding the strange origins of a lot of our childhood ryhmes.. too funny. "

sam wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Ok Billy and OTH, how did such a wierd comment get into your childhood? I should not talk, as "Ring Around The Rosy" was one of my favorites when I was 4.

The words to the Ring around the rosy children's ring game have their origin in English history . The historical period dates back to the Great Plague of London in 1665 (bubonic plague) or even before when the first outbreak of the Plague hit England in the 1300's. The symptoms of the plague included a rosy red rash in the shape of a ring on the skin (Ring around the rosy). Pockets and pouches were filled with sweet smelling herbs ( or posies) which were carried due to the belief that the disease was transmitted by bad smells. The term "Ashes Ashes" refers to the cremation of the dead bodies!

"

sam wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:18 AM:

" WOW, Billy, you and OH threw me off. I had NEVER heard that verse.. here is the part you guys are quoting.. A poem about Lizzie Borden?...
CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS….
SHUT THE DOOR, AND LOCK AND LATCH IT, HERE COMES LIZZIE WITH A BRAND NEW HACHET.

CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS…
JUMP LIKE A FISH, JUMP LIKE A PORPOISE, ALL JOIN HANDS IN HABEAS CORPUS.

CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS…
CROSS YOUR FINGERS, KNOCK ON WOOD, LOCAL GIRL IS LOOKIN’ GOOD

CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS
MASSACHUSETTS IS A FAR CRY FROM NEW YORORORORORK! "

real facts wrote on Apr 19, 2008 7:28 AM:

" billy: your still mad at me from our little "talk" the other night?

i understand.

i guess i didn't factor in all those emotions you would have to deal with, once i "reminded" you of your frailties. alas billy, it is STILL your resposibility to make right choices in life. you can't blame me for what you do.

swimming in the river (like a fish) of tude all your life will only make you miserable. being slow (like a tortoise) to take responsibility for it, will only make you and i better "friends".

did you get a.....cat-yet??? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 18, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Now that I've sat here thinking about it, I think it's "Run like a fish, jump like a TORTOISE..."

Isn't it funny how those memories lie dormant, but sometimes you can prod them back to the front?

I wonder if reverend Fruit Cake remembers what it was like to be a human being? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:41 PM:

" I always thought it was, "RUN like a fish, jump like a porpoise..."

No?

You mean all this time I've been singing it wrong?

Next you'll probably tell me that beautiful hymn isn't "Amazing Grapes". "

OTH wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:30 PM:

"

Jump like a fish

Jump like a porpoise

All join hands

In a habeas corpus!


SHAZBAT! "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Validation as what? A tract star for running away from everyone so fast.

Yeah.

Reverend Fruit Cake, the track star.

Perhaps on your next lap you can address your bible's stance on child slavery - which you stated here was a good thing. "

real facts wrote on Apr 18, 2008 1:42 PM:

" sam STILL blogging in the mormon blog...and STILL not answering my question straight up.

validation for meeeeeeeeeeee.

wooooohoooo "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:29 PM:

" That's just weird. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:29 PM:

" nite lodian.

you have some homework before tomorrow.

go to sams and sit on the couch and "pretend" your not real_facts. maybe by the pool, i dunno.

and help billy get out of his funk. offer to get him a cat until he figures all of this out "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:28 PM:

" i am always looking for your fruitcake to implode?

Uh, okay. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 PM:

" bravery?

LOL "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 PM:

" real facts wrote:
'i am the "flyswatter"'

And those things are nasty. Most people tuck them way back in the cupboard and hate to touch them.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:21 PM:

" If Billy wants a daughter of his own then he will be a DAD someday").

if he repents and does it the way he is designed to, then yes

if he doesn't, he will have to buy one, or be given one.

because two men can't father children

have the "talk" with him "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 PM:

" More sexual innuendo? You are very frustrated. Wifey deflated? "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:18 PM:

" Stay on your toes vision dude").

i always am. i am always looking for your fruitcake to implode. it's a matter of time.

anything your thinking of in particular that makes you think of bravery....bring it.

remember....your the fly, and i am the "flyswatter" "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:21 PM:

" If Billy wants a daughter of his own then he will be a DAD someday. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:15 PM:

" ...actually, it only takes one man. "

dang. your the brightest bulb in the room.

i know what you mean. unfortunately billy insists there has to be TWO men in the equation....if you catch my drift

you have the answer now. i think i made billy cry, so he left. ask him back so you can help him "fix" his problem. but be careful. girard may get a little jealous "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:18 PM:

" Stay on your toes vision dude. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:16 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 PM:

" real facts = clueless").

laughing.

"clueless" about men can't father children with other men. good one lodian. your a loon.

i know you don't like me, but at least make sense so you don't embarrrass yourself. at least come after me with a viable attack. laughing.

what does raising kids have to do with fathering them? nothing.

billy wants a daughter of his own, thats why he is jealous of me.

can you fix that lodian?

didn't think so "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:15 PM:

" ...actually, it only takes one man. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:12 PM:

" Two men can father a child. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:11 PM:

" real facts wrote:
"i gotta go to bed. with my wife, who gave me a-daughter,...because-i-play-by-the-rules"

I think I just threw up a little bit. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:11 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:04 PM:
The addition of so much sexual content, used to try and demean another, is all too telling of the author.

That's not a compliment").

what a fruitcake. you "forgot" billy's reference to selling my daughter into sexual slavery

you embarrass yourself (with my help)

while i am sleeping, "counsel" billy on the wrong equipment angle.

he doesn't believe me. he thinks two men can father a child.

after being dropped off at the curb when he was a child, he must have been wandering around instead of in science class. or was it biology? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:10 PM:

" Adam and Steve have been known to raise awesome children. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 PM:

"
real facts = clueless "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:05 PM:

"
To real facts:

The addition of so much sexual content, used to try and demean another, is all too telling of the author.

That's not a compliment.

Are you running out of ways to attack others?

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:05 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Anyone can father a child, but it takes a real man to be a DAD. Also, one does not have to "father" a child in order to be his/her DAD. "

man thats true.

but you didn't address billy's "problem". he wants a daughter, but can't. at least in the real sense. round peg/square hole

here's lodian, being consistent high fiving sin by giving it a free pass

adam and eve.....NOT adam and steve

you two discuss your dysfunctional lives. i gotta go to bed. with my wife, who gave me a-daughter,...because-i-play-by-the-rules "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:04 PM:

"
The addition of so much sexual content, used to try and demean another, is all too telling of the author.

That's not a compliment.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:00 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Yes, Reverend, of course, EVERYBODY knows gay men can't father a child.

Never happened and it never will, right?').

no silly billy....EVERYONE knows you can't father a child with another man.

(wrong "equipment")

i bet you give it your college best try though huh.

sick


"

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:58 PM:

" OK, Reverend.
As much as I love watching you twitch, I need my beauty sleep and you need to go father some children. Good thing you live in the age of Viagra or you'd have to resort to fantasizing about your teenage gay boy at the hamburger stand to get the job done.

Sweet dreams, fruit cake. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Anyone can father a child, but it takes a real man to be a DAD. Also, one does not have to "father" a child in order to be his/her DAD. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:56 PM:

" already addressed your lying version of slavery.

if "steve" is out on the town tonight cruising, is that my fault? don't take the failures of your life out on me.

tonight, your a waste of my time. i got better things to do with my life than to highlight yours.

tell you what....if tomorrow you want me to help you straighten out your twisted life, hit me up. i will be here for a short time tomorrow.

oh, and look into getting a cat. it's not a "duaghter", but it will have to suffice until you accept "design"

ciao "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Yes, Reverend, of course, EVERYBODY knows gay men can't father a child.

Never happened and it never will, right?

LOL.

You just get stupider with each post. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:49 PM:

" billy: it just hit me...

your a little peeved you can't father children, and i can.

no wonder you make the slavery-daughter jab.

i should be more understanding of you.

is it a medical condition, or is that adam and steve (instead of adam and eve) ...thing???

easy fix for you billy, it's geography and biology. square peg/round hole, doesn't work. goes against the design. peg goes in the front. now i don't mean to be gross, just trying to help your lineage dreams/confusion

if you aren't interested....don't blame me....i tried to help "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:45 PM:

" See?
Still with the hate.
I don't under stand.
You run and run and run away.

Why won't you address the real issue - which is that of the bible? "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:39 PM:

" billy; your a pathetic excuse for breathing air, you always have been (at least in here).

whoever dropped you off on the curb and drove away when you were a baby has ALOT to answer to someday.

in the meantime, you don't have to choose to be evil. it's a choice dan. whatever happened to you to create that God-hating chip on your shoulder, bears responsibility for sure....but is NOT ultimately responsible for YOUR choices. thats on you.

i do however like how people in here pick you over me. shows the quality of "integrity" in here.

perversion. it-causes-insanity...(obviously) "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:27 PM:

" Hey, Reverend Flakes-

Why are you so bent at me?

Selling your daughter into slavery is a good thing; it's biblical. And, as you always say, biblical = Good. God says it's good. God says it's OK to sell your daughter.

You've always said you live the perfect biblical life and you do everything the bible says. I didn't make this stuff up, no need to attack me, it's from YOUR book. Love it. Own it.

So, is she up for sale or what?
Or are you lying again. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:52 PM:

" i made my point tonight, by demonstrating sams sterling character, despite handing her multiple chances.

lodian doesn't need my help.
that woman has NO self control, and her lying character will show up in the rest of the future blogs.

i promise



"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:51 PM:

" OTH - I wrote what I did more for 'me' and others here who do contribute in a positive way. Interestingly enough I did have a conversation today with someone at the LNS who provided me with what may become a unique opportunity. Considering the position I find myself in ('retired' and at home much of the time), I believe I may soon be in a position to actually 'contribute' again.

However, as for the silliness instigated by certain people here, I just keep learning as I go along. The majority of bloggers are decent and provide much food for thought. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:47 PM:

" ok. it's obvious sam will not answer the question because she has no integrity.

the pressure of admitting she lied, and in-advertantly validating me, was too much for her. despite choosing between disappointing God, and making others still think she is a person of character, she chose her false pride, and her "position" before people in here whom she doesn't even know.

a pathetic display....especially when you factor in that when sam dies....NONE of these people will she stand before.....she WILL stand before the one with whom she made a choice against

lie all you want sam.....from-now-on...i-will-make-sure-you-own-it-when-you-and-i-"tangle"-next

maybe-your-"example"-will-send-the-message-not-to-lie-about-me.....probably-not---as-peoples-ego's-exceed-their-abilities "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:37 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

What? Lying again I see. You said you never miss a thing").

nope. unlike you, i don't have to lie.

i missed it. so maybe you can point me in the direction where you catalogued all those lies you say i tell.

you are the liar, because you can't bring any....."multiples" you claimed.

i know you won't because you can't, but i have to demonstrate your lying consistentcy, and then watch how everyone else still supports you, and calls me the bad guy.

a necessary "dance"

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:08 PM:
"i made you a promise along time ago that i intend to keep....EVERYTIME you pull this garbage in here, i will make sure everyone knows your a liar, by consistently providing the proof."

Right back atcha! I'll be there. (except I will properly use the words "your" and "you're")

LOL!
"

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 PM:

" sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" RF, what I will NOT DO is lie to make you feel better about yourself. Sorry. I cannot do that.

Like I said, we gave you the truth. It is your choice to turn your back on the truth and continue with your lies.

When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking.
So, attack away with your lies. We know the truth.

Peace out. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

" i just read the mormon blog, and sam posted on it, which means she read this one, and DIDN'T answer the question.

someone who has nothing to hide, and actually DID have integrity, would have answered that question straight up a long time ago. instead she purposefully evaded it.

she did, because it is obvious she lied, and now is trying to slither away "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:20 PM:

"really? because i missed it."

What? Lying again I see. You said you never miss a thing. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:21 PM:

" sam still cannot answer the question straight up "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:20 PM:

" "(Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:48 PM:

It's been done many times").

really? because i missed it.

EVERYTIME i have asked, since i first started dealing with you to prove your accusations against me, you lied and refused, and made rediculous excuses.

i made you a promise along time ago that i intend to keep....EVERYTIME you pull this garbage in here, i will make sure everyone knows your a liar, by consistently providing the proof.

the proof that you cannot bring one lie forth, to verify your lying accusation.

the mormon blog demonstrates your heinous-ness. this blog demonstrates the "others" who they-are......because-they-support-your-lying.......and-purposefully-lie-themselves-without-conscience- "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:13 PM:

" whats funny, is watching "you people" line up to blame me for what goes on in here.

you people either attack me directly on a daily basis, or you indirectly talk ABOUT me.

you lie about me, and do the same exact things all the time that you accuse me of, then the innocent act comes, via blaming me for all this garbage and "acting" like none of you do anything wrong. what a joke, but one that plays directly into my hands.

i love watching OTH whine, knowing she has talked trash right and left about me, including cussing me out-twice....what-a-bunch-of-cry-babies

"

OTH wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:31 PM:

" girard74 now you know the LNS could give a rats ass. They love it. Everytime somebody clicks on this blog they make money. They could care less about threats, obscenity, whatever. They violate their own rules and expect everyone to have respect for them.

Well they can take it and put it where the sun don't shine.

Keep on keepin on! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:48 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:08 PM:
"i meant it lodian. lets see you bring forth your accusations of me lying..."

It's been done many times. You choose to ignore the truth. That's your choice. What you choose to believe is not in my control. Your lack of integrity is your fault. Own it.

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:09 PM:

" sam; tonights another opportunity to come clean.

where is it? answer the question... "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:08 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM:
bring it....(or stay clean on the other side of the board from now on)"

LMAO! ").

i meant it lodian. lets see you bring forth your accusations of me lying constantly that you made toward me last night.

you didn't because you can't. if you would, since you dream of silencing me, you would have.

you can't, because like billy, your only "defense" is to resort to lying about me. its' all you have left

it's all you have EVER had (just excatly like i claimed about you) "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM: Liar Facts sez:
"and this coming from a guy who said i sold my daughter into sexual slavery"

No, liar, I didn't say you SOLD her into slavery, I said since it is acceptable in the bible to do so, that you WOULD. Any other claim by you is just more lying").

your such a nasty evil dark hearted semblance of a man.

those where your EXACT words, and you said it. now your lying that you didn't.

your a continuing example of perversion rotting the human soul.

great accomplishment billy

H 5
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:11 PM:

" So, Reverend, while we're all gathered around here watching you twitch and twist, why don't you tell us all again about your adventure into the Sentinel office? You know, when you actually went there? You remember that time? When you walked in the door in "electronic form"???

not a problem billy. i own my words, and wouldn't dare run away from it, unlike sams latest denial.

what i said is couple of posts below.
read it, don't be lazy.

say billy, the "others" accuse me of lying "all the time".....can-you-provide-any-other-examples?......the-"others"-are-obviously-lying....maybe-you-can-manufacture-something
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 6:57 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:19 PM: Your lies are more ridiculous than ever, your hatred is sharper than ever").

poor billy.

you never have been able to bring anything to the table position-wise, in order to defend against Christianity and your CHOSEN perversion.

so because you never can, you always evntually resort to the "lies" and hatred" accusations....without-ever-providing-one-example

of the "busloads" in here that do that, you have always been the "bus driver".

somehow in your dark hearted mind, you think that is a compliment.

being a bottom feeder, ISN'T a compliment.

you will forever be known as that nasty evil person that-said-i-sold-my-daughter-into-sexual-slavery.....funny-how-people-think-i-am-the-"bad-guy",,,yet-NO-ONE-said-anything-to-you-about-that......stunning-displays-of-integrity-in-here-thanks-to-that-non-response "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:19 PM:

" Remember, Reverend, about a year and a half ago I told you you were the best Kristian Nut Job I could have hoped to show up here. I told you that Central Casting could not have come up with a better insane religious nut.

Still true.

Your lies are more ridiculous than ever, your hatred is sharper than ever and you're still dingy as a pet 'coon.

Life is good. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:11 PM:

" So, Reverend, while we're all gathered around here watching you twitch and twist, why don't you tell us all again about your adventure into the Sentinel office? You know, when you actually went there? You remember that time? When you walked in the door in "electronic form"???

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
What a fruit cake. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Oh, Reverend. Don't you know you will go to hell for lying just like for stealing? LOL

Liar Facts sez:
"and this coming from a guy who said i sold my daughter into sexual slavery"

No, liar, I didn't say you SOLD her into slavery, I said since it is acceptable in the bible to do so, that you WOULD. Any other claim by you is just more lying.

So, you see? You are STILL the biggest liar in San Joaquin County. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM:

"
"bring it....(or stay clean on the other side of the board from now on)"

LMAO! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 2:02 PM:

" im still waiting for you guys to put a spotlight on all the times i have lied like you claim. come on, pile it on.
i have big shoulders.

you failed in making the LNS deal a lie. girard lied saying i bear false witness. you people have ANYTHING on me?

bring it....(or stay clean on the other side of the board from now on).

sam....your up. where is your explanation? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:52 PM:

"
"EMAD"... LOL! :-)

H5! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:50 PM:

" girard (1:22 PM): Great post!

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:43 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM:

" As I had suspected last night even as I offered").

laughing.

i thought you said ...." 'One' has no idea who 'one' is messing around with"

i do girard, i do. i was laughing last night at your rediculous display of your ego, so you could impress your cheerleader.

here's a career tip girard.....if you don't like me, then zip it. that way you and i don't play on your merry-go-round.

pretty simple stuff. unless you can't control your ego "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:37 PM:

" billy, looks like your "savior" (girard) blew smoke again. he did it the last time, he will do it again. girard has an ego his mind can't cash.

either way, i gave you my word, i sent that e-mail that day just like i said.

"you people" can slither up and down the pole of lying all you want. what i said i did, i did. turn it into your sewer....you-have-to.....it's-what-you-have-become

what would be a nice display from you my little adversaries, is if for ONCE you could defend your position in life without having to resort to lying....i-would-actually-be-stunned "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 PM:

" and this coming from a guy who said i sold my daughter into sexual slavery.

hi billy. i was wondering if your perversion would get around to making an appearance.

being one of the "busloads", it isn't the same around here without you. your evil dark heart is a sight to behold.

where have you been? "modeling" "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM:

" As I had suspected last night even as I offered to locate this questionable e-mail attendance document (EMAD), by my own words I was precluded from finding anything of substance. If I were permitted through my 'source' and posted the information here, that would easily expose that source thereby creating an untenable situation. I was, however able to make my voice heard with regard to some of the activity that goes on here, including my own behavior. If the LNS sees fit to discipline me for my contributing to the degrading of the quality of their forum, then I will accept that decision without question.

However, what is crystal clear is that there is virtually no one here who accepts that 'attendance' of a physical meeting by way of an e-mail message is possible; on its face it is nothing more than silly. And it really doesn't matter, does it? If anyone wishes to accept it, that's their prerogative; although even half-brain dim-wits know better.

I offer my apology to any and all who have had to put up with this ridiculous nonsense that I have too often permitted myself to become a part of. I will endeavor to project more mature behavior from now on. (And I also apologize for the violation of the 100-word-limit.) "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 PM:

" Reverend Fakes wrote:

"hopefully mr. girard is not blowing smoke like he did the last time he threatened to go to the LNS, and didn't."

Let's see, would that be like when you lied and said you ACTUALLY WENT to the Sentinel? But in reality (REAL reality, not your perverted kind), all you did was send an email and then claimed you were "...THERE ELECTRONICALLY." Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh, Reverend Fakes, your lies are the biggest woppers in town. I'm so glad you share them publically like this. LOL LOL "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 AM:

" by "owning it"....i mean you will either own your words in here by coming clean on saying it, or you will own it until you do (regardless if this blog expires)

if you don't, i will be glad to make an example out of you, that NO ONE can pull this stuff on me and get away with it.

lying about innocuous in-consequential things doesn't concern me in the least. thats your integrity flush.

purposefully lying about me in here in order to discredit me and smear my name, there will be a price to pay for that.....everytime

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:53 AM:

" answer the question....

how can you say "i have known her all of her life. she is a long time friend of the family"

then...."she is a family member"

you can't squeeze out of that one.


you said it, and now you are going to own it for integrity sake
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:46 AM:

" sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" RF, what I will NOT DO is lie to make you feel better about yourself. Sorry. I cannot do that").

not asking you to lie.

i AM asking you to qualify your OWN statements. how you can make those exact statements, and then say you know who "real_facts".

people that have nothing to hide, that aren't trying to lie, and have a stitich of integrity wouldn't take 10 posts to answer that question.

you have because you know if you do, you are busted. it's the ONLY reason you won't.

accountability.....im good at it "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:44 AM:

" .. and when I say "WE" I mean myself and real_facts.
I can ONLY speak for the two of us.

Peace out ! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" just so it is front and center, in order to put the pressure on her, sam DID NOT answer my question straight up.

until she comes clean, this is not over.

someday someone will get the hint not to play me.

until then... "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" RF, what I will NOT DO is lie to make you feel better about yourself. Sorry. I cannot do that.

Like I said, we gave you the truth. It is your choice to turn your back on the truth and continue with your lies.

When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking.
So, attack away with your lies. We know the truth.

Peace out.


"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:38 AM:

" hopefully mr. girard is not blowing smoke like he did the last time he threatened to go to the LNS, and didn't.

do it girard, and then tell everybody i told the truth.

if you don't in here, and you wait this blog out, no problema....i will make sure you get taken to task for it down the road to INSURE you can't slander me either.

thats a promise "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 AM:

" sam wote "When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking."

Exactly the truth. Right on the money").

it would be, if i had lied about what you people have done. i haven't.

i am the only one that has been "right on the money"

my integrity is perfectly intact "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:31 AM:

" sam; i would love a "white flag" scenario in here, as i don't like doing this. but i have to, because my reputation is at stake now, and because you tried to sabotage it. i can't let it slide until you come clean on what you did. if i relent of that, you get away with what you attempted to do in the first place. the brevity of the situation doesn't lend itself to a "white flag", there is too much at stake.

why would i care if real_facts posted? if real_facts wasn't lodian, i would have-welcomed-her,...realizing-"her"-peacemaking-potential....i-only-oppose-"real_facts"-because-it-was/is-lodian....now-answer-my-question-straight-up-like-a-normal-person-with-integrity-would "

nylodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:48 AM:

" girard: one possible solution: don't take the bait and simply ignore the rants, insults, accusations and lies. IMHO :) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 AM:

" sam wote "When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking."

Exactly the truth. Right on the money.
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Brian: I tried to post comments to this article/letter and you attacked me. So, rethink who is the problem. Please don't cuss me out again. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:29 AM:

" real facts/Brian: You are the problem here. "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Real Facts, I will throw up a white flag.

If you promise not to personally atttack me or real_facts, I will promise 2 things...

1) I promise never to personally attack you.

2) I promise real_facts will never blog again. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:29 AM:

" do it girard "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:27 AM:

" I am hopeful (but not convinced) that perhaps soon this prattle will be reduced to a low roar. I'm not proud of my participation in this and other rants; it's time for a practical solution to the problem. "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:23 AM:

" RF, I have to confess that I was getting very upset every time you lied about myself or real_facts. I felt you were attacking our integrity. I felt the need to defend us. But real_facts put it into perspective last night.

When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking.

So, attack away with your lies. We know the truth. I feel no need to defend your integrity. "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:01 AM:

" RF, everytime you call real_facts Lodian, you lie. Real_facts is not lodian. We do not know lodian.

I told you the truth. You want to hear it again? It is posted here. Read it again. I am finished feeding you and your drama.

It is your choice. Accept the truth, or turn your back to the truth and continue with your lie.

"

Brian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 6:32 AM:

" Looks like this blogg has turned into a slamfest. I tried to interject some comments about the letter by Fields.
But to no avail. RF,Lodian, and G74 are stuck in an endless loop of accusations and insults. Theis is not what the LNS intended.

Rage on you three. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:42 AM:

" bump time....

" so this doesn't get buried....

sam, your still on the hook about coming clean with what you said.

did you say ..."she is a long time friend of the family", followed by...."she is a family member"?

now what?

if you skate from it, i will hold you accountable to it later on down the road " "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:41 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 AM:

" 'One' has no clue who he/she has been messing with. Be very careful").

sure i do. seen alot of false bravado in my life. i can smell it from miles away.

i will take anything you think you can throw at me, and challenge you for some more.

tomorrow you will "feign" you couldn't find anything because you blow smoke. it's who you have become "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:38 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:34 AM:

" 'One' should also be aware that when I visit the LNS I intend to bring this and other blogs like it to the attention of someone who will do something about it").

your full of hot air.

you threatened this before with ZERO results.

proving you guys are the ones that cause the trouble is easy.

can i give you directions and fill your tank of gas tomorrow.

BRING IT !!!!! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 AM:

" One (ANYONE) cannot be anywhere in e-mail form. That was a lie to cover a lie. In criminal law terms that has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

If one wants to continue this exercise, one should realize that it changes nothing concerning 'one's integrity, honesty, decency, courage, morals, humanity - these things as well have already been determined beyond ALL doubt").

girard, desperation has reduced you into a pathetic human being.

go to sleep and come back with your integrity "test" so i can prove who you are again tomorrow.



"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 AM:

" 'One' has no clue who he/she has been messing with. Be very careful. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:34 AM:

" 'One' should also be aware that when I visit the LNS I intend to bring this and other blogs like it to the attention of someone who will do something about it. There are those who are intimidated by the words and threats of weak-minded little dweebs; I'm not one of those people. Yet I will gladly assist them in doing all that I can do to eliminate this nuisance once and for all. The First Amendment notwithstanding, there is a limit to the nonsense that is 'posted' here and frankly I've had my fill. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:32 AM:

" girard: it wasn't a threat, it was a promise.

do what you want legally, i have nothing to say about it, and i am not afraid of anything you will find.
i welcome it.

but step over a legal line, and you will pay for it....in every way i can make you pay for it legally. that i promise.

before you twist my words, because your a sad man, know this....if you cross the line legally, you will pay for it legally.

girard, there isn't a person on this planet i fear...especially someome with an ego bigger than thier-words "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 AM:

" One (ANYONE) cannot be anywhere in e-mail form. That was a lie to cover a lie. In criminal law terms that has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

If one wants to continue this exercise, one should realize that it changes nothing concerning 'one's integrity, honesty, decency, courage, morals, humanity - these things as well have already been determined beyond ALL doubt. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:25 AM:

" so this doesn't get buried....

sam, your still on the hook about coming clean with what you said.

did you say ..."she is a long time friend of the family", followed by...."she is a family member"?

now what?

if you skate from it, i will hold you accountable to it later on down the road "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:25 AM:

" 'One' has no idea who 'one' is messing around with. 'One' had be careful with whom he makes threats, idle or otherwise.

I am a peaceful man; I don't bother anyone unless I am bothered. One shouldn’t for one minute believe in the 'absolute' anonymity of the Internet.

I'm easy to find; so is anyone else.

‘One’ had better never threaten me again. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:18 AM:

" The problem is, unfortunately for 'one' is that this doesn't change the fact that he/she lied about being at a meeting when it was obvious that he/she did not. If there's an e-mail, I'll find it. But what will it prove?

The 'lie' was that he/she said that he/she 'was there.").

it will prove i am a man of my word, and you are the liar for twisting what i said so you can smear me.

i said i was there in e-mail form, and you will find out tomorrow that was true.

then-you-can't-lie-about-it-anymore....what-then-girard?....new-lies?....of-course-you-will "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:19 AM:

" i forgot to add girard....make sure your ego doesn't get too far out of control.

stepping over a legal line wouldn't bode well for your future "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:18 AM:

" The problem is, unfortunately for 'one' is that this doesn't change the fact that he/she lied about being at a meeting when it was obvious that he/she did not. If there's an e-mail, I'll find it. But what will it prove?

The 'lie' was that he/she said that he/she 'was there.' When asked to describe the meeting, the only response was that he/she 'e-mailed it.' There can be no other conclusion than this was a ruse used in an attempt to cover the fact that he/she obviously was 'not' there.

But hey, I'll do what I can to at least end this crap. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:17 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:13 AM:

" Lodian - whatever I find, including names, dates, locations, e-mail addresses, IP addresses - the whole nine yards will be on display. That should clear things up").

bring it.

tomorrow, i will hold you to it. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:15 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:02 AM:

" Other lies, hmmm? Okay. 'Bearing false witness,' as defined in the Bible is appropriate I believe.

When one insists that someone else has lied not knowing for certain that that insistence is true, this is classic 'false witness' on behalf of the accuser. There was no possible way that 'one' knew whether or not one 'poster' was in reality using a different 'name' on this blog; yet 'one' incessantly and without pause accused, berated, harangued and belittled this poster based upon absolutely no facts or truth whatsoever").

nope. passed that test-too....i-not-only-proved-lodian-and-sam-lied,,,,now-YOUR-lying-to-cover-it-up.....so-actually-you-indicted-yourself-girard...what-a-integrity-giant "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:13 AM:

" Lodian - whatever I find, including names, dates, locations, e-mail addresses, IP addresses - the whole nine yards will be on display. That should clear things up. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:13 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:10 AM:
"Lodian - I'm not worried about Marty; he's a good guy. But I know other ways."

Yes, I know Marty is a good guy. That's why he wouldn't share information with a nut like real facts.

Over and out for the night! :-)
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:12 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:07 AM:

" Lodian - actually I've got a better source in the IT Department at the paper. Very few know that I used to work for the Lodi News-Sentinel a number of years ago. This should be interesting").

ok, here is an integrity test girard....will you commit right in here, to bring the truthful results of your findings back in here for all to see? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:11 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:07 AM:
"Lodian - actually I've got a better source in the IT Department at the paper. Very few know that I used to work for the Lodi News-Sentinel a number of years ago. This should be interesting."

Sounds perfect, girard! Let me know what happens. See ya tomorrow on the boards. :-) Goodnight
"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:10 AM:

" Lodian - I'm not worried about Marty; he's a good guy. But I know other ways. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:10 AM:

" Well, I must get my beauty sleep! LOL! See you all tomorrow. Night girard. H5! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:09 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:05 AM:

" No words were twisted; facts and 'one's' own words convicted him/her. That's how it usually works. Once a lie is perpetrated, it's hard to keep up with all of the other lies that come after. Sooner or later one gets tripped").

you said the words meant the same, and tried to imply something other than i said. your a sad man girard.

your right about lying, it comes back on you eventually. in your little analogy, you just described you, lodian and sam in one fell swoop.

H 5 "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:09 AM:

" real facts: You know all to well that Marty will not give out that kind of information. You use situations like this as if they prove something on your behalf. The information will not be given out so you go on thinking you are plus one on the ol' integrity meter. Wrong, vision dude! "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:07 AM:

" Lodian - actually I've got a better source in the IT Department at the paper. Very few know that I used to work for the Lodi News-Sentinel a number of years ago. This should be interesting. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:06 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:04 AM:

" girard: He will fail the integrity test. "

wanna bet your life on it???

how about this deal....if i pass the integrity test, will YOU leave the LNS blogs for good (including no more being other people).

if i fail....then i leave.....deal lodian???

lets see how brave you are now lodian "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:06 AM:

" Looks like real facts needs a girlfriend in the worst way. Maybe she will have "vision" too. LOL "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:05 AM:

" No words were twisted; facts and 'one's' own words convicted him/her. That's how it usually works. Once a lie is perpetrated, it's hard to keep up with all of the other lies that come after. Sooner or later one gets tripped. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:04 AM:

" not a problem girard. excellant idea

call the LNS tomorrow and ask for marty weybret. ask him if i did send him an e-mail on that day regarding the garbage in here. i would love nothing more, as it will validate my claim.

do it, because now i will hold you to it tomorrow, or in other subseuqent blogs.

i am going to bed. you winners can lie and high five all you want.

tomorrow my integrity gets solidified, thanks to girards great idea.

tomorrow girard. do it. then tell eveybody what you found.

I CAN'T WAIT "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:04 AM:

" girard: He will fail the integrity test. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:02 AM:

" real facts wrote: "i AM a man of my word. catching me lying, and i am adios."

Nope, you are a liar. It's quite clear.
"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:02 AM:

" Other lies, hmmm? Okay. 'Bearing false witness,' as defined in the Bible is appropriate I believe.

When one insists that someone else has lied not knowing for certain that that insistence is true, this is classic 'false witness' on behalf of the accuser. There was no possible way that 'one' knew whether or not one 'poster' was in reality using a different 'name' on this blog; yet 'one' incessantly and without pause accused, berated, harangued and belittled this poster based upon absolutely no facts or truth whatsoever.

This is actually worse than a common 'lie.' The behavior of 'one' was/is reprehensible. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:58 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:49 AM:

" real facts 12:45 AM: Are you in that much need of a girlfriend, vision dude? Stop obsessing about others").

i just call it as i see it lodian.

from my vantage point, you two belong together. just get it over with so you can concentrate better, and bring forth some more of my lies you keep claiming i have made.

lying FOR each other. for you lodian, it won't get any better than that. grab him before he changes his stripes "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:54 AM:

" While there is no doubt this person lied, perhaps he/she would be kind enough to provide the person's name that his/her e-mail was addressed to, and the date and time that it was mailed since he/she has now stated that this e-mail is how his/her 'presence' was made known.

If 'integrity' is truly an issue (which is very doubtful), maybe he/she would like to forward that e-mail to me. Using a Yahoo! free e-mail account to forward it would protect his/her identity. I'll provide my e-mail address - I'm not afraid.

Let's see just how important 'truth' and 'integrity' is. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:54 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 AM:

" The bottom line here is that a promise was made by one that if he/she was ever caught lying (I purposefully put it this way because I believe that this is what he/she actually means), then he/she would cease posting on these blogs").

yesireeee.

unlike you girard, i AM a man of my word. catching me lying, and i am adios.

with that said, you would think you two would be jumping all over my "history" you claim i have.

look at your copy and paste job lodian saved from a past blog.....and-neither-of-you-have-anything-else?....pretty-funny "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:50 AM:

" ("girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:42 AM: Also, I've made it clear that there are a few bozos on these boards with whom I will not engage").

what a loon you have become.
no wonder you and lodian are falling for each other. no, i won't be the best man. despite my unknowing matchmaking, i don't want to know you two.

you implied the words that i said were something YOU represented them to mean, so that you could bust me. you twisted the meaning of the word purposefully.

now the innocent act. i love it "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:49 AM:

" real facts 12:45 AM: Are you in that much need of a girlfriend, vision dude? Stop obsessing about others.

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 AM:

" The bottom line here is that a promise was made by one that if he/she was ever caught lying (I purposefully put it this way because I believe that this is what he/she actually means), then he/she would cease posting on these blogs.

A lie was committed by one about a month ago. Incontrovertible proof has been presented in this regard. Argument ad nauseum has further proved the lie was actually committed. In furtherance of one's contention that he/she did not lie, multiple lies have been committed since the commission of the first lie. It is now impossible to determine the actual totality of lies committed by this one.

Regardless, with just the one lie committed in mid-March it is hoped that he/she will keep his/her word and vacate the LNS Blog Boards post haste. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:47 AM:

"
girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:42 AM:
"Lodian, don't you see that I didn't misrepresent anyone?

Of course!

"Hope you don't mind me discussing this with you, Lodian."

Not at all.

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:45 AM:

" girard; just propose to lodian and get it over with. geez. she likes you already, you don't need to strtech the truth so far to impress her. she lies without conscience, so it doesn't require as much effort as you are putting into it. relax son, she loves your committment.

i was there in e-mail form. made my presence known girard. how pathetic is your case against me now?

can't find any other lies you say i told, despite your collaberation between you and your new paramour.

i thought you had....alot??? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:42 AM:

" real facts 12:39 AM: You need to address one of your lies at a time. More than one at a time will boggle your mind and you will seize. Start slow... go ahead... address the lie... come on... go ahead... you lied, now face it... waiting...

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:42 AM:

" Lodian, don't you see that I didn't misrepresent anyone? I made an error in my recollection of events that occurred a month ago. I admitted the mistake and apologized for it. Since the word(s) that I thought were valid did not distort what actually was 'said,' no misrepresentation ever occurred.

Also, I've made it clear that there are a few bozos on these boards with whom I will not engage. Hope you don't mind me discussing this with you, Lodian. Actually it gives me the opportunity to 'speak' in ways not normally comfortable to me - kind of challenging really. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:39 AM:

" real facts is hopeless. He lies, he cheats, he runs, he's hates and then he lies some more. he's obviously not a Christian in any way. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:39 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 AM:

" See how real facts is running from the truth? LOL! He is completely ignoring the posted lie he wrote to deceive everyone. He's a class A liar")>

"ignoring it"? im asking you to pile it on, and you won't do it. im handing you a golden opportunity to be the one that topples real facts, and you won't take it.

can you imagine how many "busloads" of people are counting on you?

do it. bring more evidence of my lying "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:37 AM:

" Lodian - okay, again I'm wrong. I re-read the next statement that says at 12:20, 'i was there in e-mail form.'

'Was there,' indicates 'presence' at a particular location. 'i' (sic) indicates a person claiming to 'be.' Together it states a 'person claiming to be present at a particular location.'

The crux of the problem here is just how could one be actually 'present' AT a particular location via (by way of) an e-mail message. Nope - don't see it; didn't happen.

USB; parallel; serial; and ethernet ports cannot transport any human from one e-mail client to another.
LIAR. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:37 AM:

"





After being asked if he was at the LNS office, as previously discussed, real facts answered with....



real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
“you didn't miss me....i was there.”


We thought we had missed you at the meeting. After a long wait you answered with....


real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
" i e-mailed them "



Now, anyone with even the metal capacity of a 5 year old can tell you that this first response meant that real facts was indeed at the meeting. He later said he emailed the LNS.

He lied!

He lied!

He lied!





"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:36 AM:

" real facts wrote: "i am kinda interested in your new budding relationship with girard."

Your obsession is showing!

Stop trying to change the subject from your blatant lies.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:35 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:30 AM:
If my use of the word 'form' somehow altered the intent of the actual words that he wrote, then I apologize for that. I am certain that the meaning was nearly the same. I am never afraid or ashamed to admit when I have made an error").

well, i do have to high five you for being man enough to admit you mis-represented me, but not being man enough to say it to me.

now that you have the words right, now you can be man enough to admit your lie-about-different-wording-meaning-the-same-thing "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 AM:

" See how real facts is running from the truth? LOL! He is completely ignoring the posted lie he wrote to deceive everyone. He's a class A liar. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:32 AM:

" girard: I'm right there with ya. This guy is a complete nut. A hateful forgetful nut. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:31 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:21 AM:

" Watch him run now. Real facts is looking straight into his lies (again!) and he'll run off. Tomorrow he will pretend it all never happened").

run from you two? you got to be joking.

i invite you two into the arena of integrity with me any day. you two are a walk in the park. all i have to do is keep you posting, then you do my job for me.

i am kinda interested in your new budding relationship with girard.
i feel-almost-like-a-matchmaker,..or-an-accesory-to-a-crime...lol "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:30 AM:

" Lodian - I could very well be in error regarding the exact verbiage stated back in March. I was using my memory to recall the 'conversation.' If the word 'form' was not actually used, then I do apologize. If my use of the word 'form' somehow altered the intent of the actual words that he wrote, then I apologize for that. I am certain that the meaning was nearly the same. I am never afraid or ashamed to admit when I have made an error.

Regardless, I will join you with the words you quoted at Apr 17, 2008 12:23 AM regarding the e-mail attendance. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:30 AM:

"



After being asked if he was at the LNS office, as previously discussed, real facts answered with....



real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
“you didn't miss me....i was there.”


We thought we had missed you at the meeting. After a long wait you answered with....


real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
" i e-mailed them "



Now, anyone with even the metal capacity of a 5 year old can tell you that this first response meant that real facts was indeed at the meeting. He later said he emailed the LNS.

He lied!

He lied!

He lied!





"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:27 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:18 AM:

" real facts wrote: "Nothing more is needed"... because you can't find anything else."

Looks like an admission of your guilt to me! ")>

lodian, do you think for once you can actually do what you say, or will you always cry wolf?

why would i admit to something i didn't do, that your sickness wishes i had so you can have "company"? no thanks. girard is your partner in crime. be satisfied with him.

where are all those other "examples"?

surely i have many, given the length of time i have-been-in-here "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:23 AM:

" Lodian - shall we dissect the statement, 'you didn't miss me....i was there'? Do you think it's really necessary? Three silly little words, I WAS THERE. Hmmm, I truly wonder what they mean. One syllable each - first grade level I would think.

I'll wait for a more learned explanation for now; it should be fun. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:23 AM:

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real facts lied….

lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
“Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?”

real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
“you didn't miss me....i was there.”

girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
"Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.”

real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
" i e-mailed them "

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Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:21 AM:

" Watch him run now. Real facts is looking straight into his lies (again!) and he'll run off. Tomorrow he will pretend it all never happened. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 AM:

" girard; i know your desperate, but don't twist my words and purposefully lie about what i said, or i will embarrass you, and make you pay for it.

i NEVER said i attended the meeting in e-mail form.....thats YOUR lying words.

i said i was there in e-mail form.

i sent an e-mail to the editors, opting out of going there physically because i didn't want them knowing who i am.

as it turns out, that was a smart move on my part, because i eventually got what i wanted....the truth.

lodian spilled it without me having to reveal my public indentity.

now-you-can-lie-about-me-some-more,-while-flushing-your-integrity-some-more "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:20 AM:

"



real facts lied….

lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
“Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?”

real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
“you didn't miss me....i was there.”

girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
"Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.”

real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
" i e-mailed them "






"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:18 AM:

" real facts wrote: "Nothing more is needed"... because you can't find anything else."

Looks like an admission of your guilt to me! "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:17 AM:

" Lodian - did he just state that regarding the e-mail form lie '...because you can't find anything else,' indicating admission of the one 'lie?' If so, although there has never been any doubt - it has just been fun watching him squirm - but here he has openly unequivocally admitted to that particular lie.

Now, he should excuse himself as he promised, and stop his blogging. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:16 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:13 AM:
"When one consistently lies about lying, isn't that a 'new' lie each time one lies about lying about a lie? Exponentially, this turns out to be a very BIG series of lies."

Right you are, girard!
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:15 AM:

" real facts: You have been toppled, chewed up and spit back out. Just keep on crawlin' back out of that gutter. You're really stinkin' up the place. Yuck. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:13 AM:

" girard: he knew all too well that he was caught in a lie. There was a very long pause before he came up with the "e-mail" lie. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:13 AM:

" When one consistently lies about lying, isn't that a 'new' lie each time one lies about lying about a lie? Exponentially, this turns out to be a very BIG series of lies. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:12 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:06 AM:

" Lodian, don't let him get away with this. In asking for proof that he lied he stated, '...name one time...im still waiting,' just a short time ago.

His 'e-mail form' was the 'one time.' Nothing more is needed").

"Nothing more is needed"... because you can't find anything else. how funny is that compared to your accusations? (lol)

wow look at girard frothing at the mouth thinking he has me, and now no one will remind him he flushed his integrity (so he thinks).

poor desperate girard can't topple real facts. :( "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:11 AM:

" real facts: You are a liar. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:11 AM:

" Lodian - ask him. Didn't he state that he attended the meeting? When asked as to where he rally was (because he was obviously not there), he answered that he attended in 'e-mail form.'

No one on the planet attends a meeting in 'e-mail form.' They may attend over the Internet; they may attend by telephone; they may attend by television; by radio; telegraph; Nextel; semaphore - but NO ONE (ON EARTH) ATTENDS A MEETING IN 'E-MAIL FORM.'

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE

And the lies just keep on coming! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:11 AM:

" real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:49 PM:
"i SWEAR on my life and reputation, THATS what i meant."
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:10 AM:

" real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:49 PM: Gods honest truth.
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:09 AM:

" real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:49 PM:
" what i said was the truth. when i wrote i was there, thats exactly what i meant (via e-mail). Gods honest truth.
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:07 AM:

" real facts lied….

lodian wrote on Mar 11, 2008 10:30 AM:
“Also, I missed you at the LNS yesterday. What happened?”

real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
“you didn't miss me....i was there.”

girard74 wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:31 PM:
"Real Facts - Actually, please regale us about the specifics regarding your recent visit to the Lodi News-Sentinel.”

real facts wrote on Mar 11, 2008 1:34 PM:
" i e-mailed them "
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:07 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:03 AM:
He keeps posting because he is a liar. He broke his promise. To be expected from a fraud").

since i "lie all the time", surely you can recite all kinds of times where i did.

lets play the pile on game. give me everything you have on me....everytime i lied about anything. you should have no problem doing it (lol) "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:06 AM:

" Lodian, don't let him get away with this. In asking for proof that he lied he stated, '...name one time...im still waiting,' just a short time ago.

His 'e-mail form' was the 'one time.' Nothing more is needed. If he lied once and refused to admit that he lied, then that is sufficient evidence to suggest that he lies with easily and without compunction - ergo, he lies more than once; all the time. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:05 AM:

" real facts wrote: "i didn't lie. i told the exact truth of what i did that day, and EXACTLY what i meant."

LIAR!
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:04 AM:

" real facts wrote: "this game must be exhausting for you two"

Nope! Bring it vision dude! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:04 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:59 PM:

" Lodian - didn't I prove on Apr 16, 2008 11:55 PM that he is a liar? Why doesn't this satisfy his curiosity. Didn't he put forth the challenge? Didn't you and I meet that challenge? I don't understand. Why does he keep posting? I don't get it").

nope girard. your best shot/hope came up short....i didn't lie. i told the exact truth of what i did that day, and EXACTLY what i meant.

you also claim i lie all the time. any other examples?

i have many on you, can i-give-you-them? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:03 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:59 PM:
"Lodian - didn't I prove on Apr 16, 2008 11:55 PM that he is a liar? Why doesn't this satisfy his curiosity. Didn't he put forth the challenge? Didn't you and I meet that challenge? I don't understand. Why does he keep posting? I don't get it."

He keeps posting because he is a liar. He broke his promise. To be expected from a fraud.

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:02 AM:

" Ahh, Lodian - this guy knows we rode him for days over his 'e-mail form' attendance. Yet he answered with, 'God's honest truth - that is what I meant,' or words very closely to that effect. I remember it clearly. Yet he's kept posting ad nauseum ever since.

What's wrong with this guy? Doesn't his word mean anything to him? What about his reputation? Doesn't he care about that? If he were to cease posting, then at least we know he kept at least one promise. As it is, this guy is devoid of all character. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:02 AM:

" real facts: You are such a dork! LOL! I've "had" you, I have you now and will have you again. Count on it! ;-) You lie and I'll be on your post like white on rice.

Vroom vroom vroom! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:01 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:58 PM:

" girard: He knows he lied. He lies all the time").

if i "lied all the time"....you would have demonstrated where i did. you came up with nothing (until girard manufactured one).

"all the time" implies more than once. demonstrate any other lie (you can ask girard for help).

this game must be exhausting for you two "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:59 PM:

" Lodian - didn't I prove on Apr 16, 2008 11:55 PM that he is a liar? Why doesn't this satisfy his curiosity. Didn't he put forth the challenge? Didn't you and I meet that challenge? I don't understand. Why does he keep posting? I don't get it. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:59 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:56 PM:
"Lodian wrote, 'I wear skirts, dresses, pants, shorts and more! Wow!! Me too!!!"

LMAO!
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:58 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:37 PM:

" real facts: I know a lot more about you than you think").

sure you do. if you did, you would have flushed your integrity farther into the sewer by now. your hot air wouldn't iron a T-shirt.

ok, now for your wish i lied....

i cannot imagine how deeply disappointed you two must be, to think you had me. now, in your desperation, your lying ...that i lied.
what a surprise.

if i had lied, you two would have rode me all over the blogs until i left....the-fact-that-you-didn't--proves-you-know-i-told-the-truth-about-what-i-did....bummer-huh? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:58 PM:

" girard: He knows he lied. He lies all the time. This is just his little evasive innocent dance for any new folks around the boards. he hopes us old timers on the blogs won't notice. Ha! He'll never get away with it again. :-) "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:56 PM:

" Lodian wrote, 'I wear skirts, dresses, pants, shorts and more!'

Wow!! Me too!!! "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:55 PM:

" And to anyone else who cares - didn't he LIE about attending that meeting. Let's see -

'at•tend /əˈtɛnd/ Pronunciation Key - [uh-tend] –verb (used with object) 1. to be present at: to attend a lecture; to attend church.'

Wow! Funny how 'church' is actually used in the definition of 'attend.' I searched and searched and could not find a definition of 'attend' that included the idea that one could attend a meeting in 'e-mail form.'

This would conclude that anyone who seriously submitted that he/she 'attended' a meeting yet then uttered that he/she was there in e-mail form was, without doubt, LYING! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:55 PM:

" real facts: You boast of having a mind like a steal trap (ha) so I'll let you do your own homework. I've already supplied you with all the lies you've posted. You are so weak and now begging me for help. Go whimper in the corner. This is getting sad. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:53 PM:

" real facts 11:51 PM: Even more sexist remarks? Wow! You are really desperate. LOL

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:51 PM:

" real facts: I wear skirts, dresses, pants, shorts and more! Ya gotta a problem with that? Are you of the mind that a woman should be barefoot and pregnant, always wearing a dress? Dork. LOL Your sexist comments only show how far outta gas you are now. You’ve got nothin’! LOL "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:51 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:45 PM:

" real facts wrote: "i vowed to leave these blogs when you catch me lying. i never have."

Liar. "

name one.

obviously i am waiting for you to pull out your lie about me/the LNS....do it so your girard will be proud of you. he is afraid of doing it himself, and is pushing you to the front row....make him proud lodian. i think he likes you (wink). "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:50 PM:

" Still, Lodian - didn't he state that he actually was 'at' a meeting yet when questioned as to where he was he actually stated that he was there in 'e-mail form?' Didn't he actually say that? And he expected that all would just nod their collective heads and accept that sorry excuse for his cowardice - by LYING?!?! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:49 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:47 PM:
"Lodian - wasn't that more than just a 'technical' lie? Wasn't that simply deceitful, dishonest, untruthful and fictitious? If so, I would think he would have ceased posting as I believe he promised to do just a few minutes ago."

Absolutely 100% correct!



"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:47 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:41 PM:

" Lodian - remind 'one' about the time he e-mailed himself to a meeting that he said he attended").

if you were man enough, instead of pretending your not posting to me, you would do it yourself. obviously lodian wears the pants in your "family".

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:47 PM:

" Lodian - wasn't that more than just a 'technical' lie? Wasn't that simply deceitful, dishonest, untruthful and fictitious? If so, I would think he would have ceased posting as I believe he promised to do just a few minutes ago. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:45 PM:

" real facts wrote: "i vowed to leave these blogs when you catch me lying. i never have."

Liar. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:44 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:38 PM:
"Lodian - I was hoping maybe I could meet with 'he' at Lyons; then he could just fax or e-mail himself over."

Ya, that was funny! Real facts danced around that one for a long time. He was there at the LNS... in e-mail form. What a dork.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:44 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:34 PM:
you still stay here posting...even though you vowed to leave. You are worse than a liar and a cheat. You are a hateful person masquerading as a Christian").

i vowed to leave these blogs when you catch me lying. i never have. bad news huh?

you know, i knew it would be a matter of time before you regurgitated my words back to me.....it's what you do everytime your frustration sets in, and you have no new material.

pathetically predictable (but funny to watch) "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:41 PM:

" Lodian - remind 'one' about the time he e-mailed himself to a meeting that he said he attended. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:40 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:06 PM:

" real facts: Every time you "defend Gods word and authority" people turn away. You are not a Christian and you should not be speaking of Christianity to anyone. You are a fake").

ouch. that hurts lodian.

"people that turn away" are people like you, who have NO interest in Gods authority over thier life to begin with, but "pretend" to others they do in order to sell themselves to others as something they are not.....like you do.

"saints" don't willfully lie without conscience....."ain'ts" do (that would be you-girard-and-sam).

name one time...im still waiting "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:38 PM:

" Lodian - I was hoping maybe I could meet with 'he' at Lyons; then he could just fax or e-mail himself over. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:37 PM:

" real facts: I know a lot more about you than you think. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:35 PM:

" real facts: Yes, I know you are a user. You didn't have to admit it. I've known it all along. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:34 PM:

" real facts wrote: "you see, thats how much i am committed to truth......when it IS the truth, you can lay everything on the line, just like i did."

The shame you should have from offering up your salvation is that since you are wrong, and a liar, you still stay here posting...even though you vowed to leave. You are worse than a liar and a cheat. You are a hateful person masquerading as a Christian.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:33 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:27 PM:

Yep, you can count on me exposing you when you attack others. Stop doing it and you won't see my post").

well then, plan on sticking around because i don't see the "busloads" quieting down anytime soon. it isn't long before someone starts something (like you in the mormon blog), then it's off to the races.

lodian, i use you. i use you as the example of what not to be as far as calling yourself a Christian, and pulling what you do. if you want it to continue, be my guest "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:29 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:25 PM:

" girard74: He will never meet with us. He was given the chance in a neutral place and with a person of neutral position at the LNS (he touted knowing the editor). Anyway, he's full of beans. He's a big fake. He lied and ran off…tail snug between legs").

meet with you two? are you nuts? given your lack of conscience displayed in here, there is ZERO chance i want to know you two in public. yikes.

i NEVER said i knew the editor....thats a lie......and-i-don't-run-away-from-squat....but-i-bet-you-wish-i-did-tho "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:27 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:21 PM: "you mean like you did in the mormon blog...?"

Yep, you can count on me exposing you when you attack others. Stop doing it and you won't see my post.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:26 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:19 PM:

No, not really. You are the one that offered up his salvation and placed a bet on a blog handle. You are the one that gets desperate").

thanks for the validation.
because after tonight, it was obvious i was right all along.

you see, thats how much i am committed to truth......when it IS the truth, you can lay everything on the line, just like i did.

i admit. it was a bit dramatic how far i went with it. my intent was to demonstrate how much i KNEW it WAS the truth

...H 10 "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:25 PM:

" girard74: He will never meet with us. He was given the chance in a neutral place and with a person of neutral position at the LNS (he touted knowing the editor). Anyway, he's full of beans. He's a big fake. He lied and ran off…tail snug between legs. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:21 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:12 PM:

Just as I thought. You would never commit to addressing people with respect and integrity. You'd rather keep up with all the garbage").

you mean like you did in the mormon blog without provication?

i get it.

i don't get why, but if you want to keep embarrassing yourself, who am i to stop you?

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:19 PM:

" real facts wrote: "you would give anything to silence my voice"

No, not really. You are the one that offered up his salvation and placed a bet on a blog handle. You are the one that gets desperate. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:19 PM:

" Lodian/Sam - I wonder if 'he who shall not be named' would have the courage to meet with one of us in a public place. Perhaps in this way it might help to bring closure to what has become a very silly game. With all of the bravado put forth in the safety of this forum, this might permit him/her/it to put his/hers/its 'integrity' (emphasis subtracted) truly on the line. I'm up for the meeting. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:17 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:08 PM:

" And Lodian, although I will not directly engage about four individuals on these blogs for my own reasons, I will continue to support you and others in this endeavor").

i have tears in my eyes :)---->LOL

i will not engage (even though i have about 20 posts directed at real facts - lol). this is too funny.

"I will continue to support you and others in this endeavor"...love girard.
(of course you will, because you claim your a "Christian", yet you support people who purposefully lie).

stellar character you have girard (but i already-that) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:15 PM:

" girard: Charlatans...great word! LOL! Thanks, girard! H5 Sometimes I feel like engaging the nut and sometimes I don't. It's a weird thing isn't it? LOL "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:12 PM:

" real facts wrote: "don't threaten me with a good time (lol)"

Just as I thought. You would never commit to addressing people with respect and integrity. You'd rather keep up with all the garbage.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:12 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:08 PM:

" real facts: name just one? Well, how about every time you post. Yep, just about every post you write there is a lie involved. Tag, you're it!").

thats what i thought.

can't name one. meeeee-wahhhh

you see if you could - you would. (because you would give anything to silence my voice, and would be all over it in an nylodian minute)

just one....pleassssssse ? "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:09 PM:

" dang, i let the fruitcake roller coaster get out of control, i forgot to hold sam accountable. not to worry as i always get back to my focus.....it's what i do

sam, where's that answer ...FROM YOU ???

did you say those exact words or not?

if you don't answer in this blog and you run away from it, i will make sure i still hold you accountable for lying about my character, in your efforts to destroy it... in another blog down the road.

it's in your best interest to answer it here.

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:08 PM:

" And Lodian, although I will not directly engage about four individuals on these blogs for my own reasons, I will continue to support you and others in this endeavor. The sanctimonious rubbish put forth makes me laugh most of the time; but it's like a train wreck - I just can't help but watch it implode – it truly is priceless. These 'godly' (yes, with a lowercase 'g') charlatans hopefully will be permitted to return to high school since being suspended for wearing mirrors on their shoes. But then how will we be entertained without paying a dime?!

H5! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:08 PM:

" real facts: name just one? Well, how about every time you post. Yep, just about every post you write there is a lie involved. Tag, you're it!

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:06 PM:

" real facts: Every time you "defend Gods word and authority" people turn away. You are not a Christian and you should not be speaking of Christianity to anyone. You are a fake. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:04 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:57 PM:
. Be respectful and find some integrity when addressing others and I will not expose your past crimes to all every chance I get").

sure you will.

for kicks and giggles, how about you name just one?

girards in the house. after he addresss' my question to him about your lying, he can help you find "just one"

you can't .........and OHHHHHHH is it a beautiful thang

don't threaten me with a good time (lol)
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:01 PM:

" good analogy girard.

speaking of character, what do you think of lodian lying about me being brian? do you think that is acceptable, or can't you get yourself to call her sin, sin?

what about sams lying? do you approve of it?

you showed up at the right time girard. now you get to display YOUR character.

BTW, i looked outside. the sky is black ....with a few white dots here and there :) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:57 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:43 PM:
" lodian, let me remind you of something.....i have been in here for a year and a half now (+/-), and NO ONE has kicked me to the curb on any subject matter, or on any level.”

Yep, you’ve been kicked to the curb all right. You just keep crawling back out of the gutter to attack new and long time bloggers alike. And yes, I will be here tomorrow too. I’ll make sure you don’t get away with a thing. Get the hint. I will not tolerate your garbage. Be respectful and find some integrity when addressing others and I will not expose your past crimes to all every chance I get.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:56 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:30 PM:

Really! LOL! Then what the heck are you still doin' here? You have permission to leave at any time").

i told you, making sure that people like you can't masquerade as being a "Christian", while leading others to believe they too can lie, and chuck Gods authority over thier life out the window.

your not going to represent Christ that way, and let others think and believe that.

THAT is my job description in here. defending Gods word and authority.

people somethimes can't fathom why i bother with you, but unfortunately it's necessary. "unfortunately" is-an-understatement

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:52 PM:

" I've said this before about Hillary Clinton and as such it applies perfectly to 'he who shall not be named.' Please forgive the redundancy.

If Hillary was to tell me that the sky was blue and based upon her statement I actually looked up and discovered that the sky did in fact appear to be blue, I would proceed immediately to the eye doctor as there would definitely be something wrong with my eyes. This is not a joke; my faith (or lack thereof) in someone is based upon not only what they 'say' but most importantly I rely upon their character. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:48 PM:

" real facts: i told you i wasn't real_facts, nor anyone else in here. both sam AND WY know i am not").

we have established tonight that she lied.

but for curiousity sake, how do you know WY knows you aren't "real_facts"?

i can't wait for this one... "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:49 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:41 PM:
All you've got is fools gold. The truth still flows freely, despite your efforts to stomp all over it").

the "truth" according to people like you? no thanks.

when i stand before God, i don't want to be reminded that i failed him over these issues. thats something you obviously could care less about. it's sickening actually.

your right about "your truth" running freely anD uncontested in here.
it shows the level of depravity that virtually NO ONE calls you (or sam) on it. but instead, "they" will High5--you-for-doing-it-in-the-name-of-taking-me-on.....sickening "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:48 PM:

" real facts: i told you i wasn't real_facts, nor anyone else in here. both sam AND WY know i am not, and you chicken out of listening to them, because you're an evil person who WANTS to lie. Sick stuff. You’re the one that can't handle your business and have to become someone else to "try" and ride me out of town.

Too funny! Too easy. You are everything you accuse me of being. That's why it is so easy for you to post such hateful attacks. You know these traits so well in yourself that it's easy to draw on them to attack others. That’s all you have…hate and lies.

"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:43 PM:

" lodian, let me remind you of something.....i have been in here for a year and a half now (+/-), and NO ONE has kicked me to the curb on any subject matter, or on any level.

so despite your "wishful thinking", i will be here tomorrow too....taking out more of your trash (if need be).....unless of course you get the "hint".....don't pull your garbage in here, and i won't take out your trash....you won't even know i am in here.....(unless you can't help yourself) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:41 PM:

" real facts wrote: "just like gold in the river bottom, truth fell into my "pan"."

All you've got is fools gold. The truth still flows freely, despite your efforts to stomp all over it. You haven't caught it yet. Your eyes are not open wide enough to see the real gold (truth!). Keep trying'!

"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:39 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:31 PM:

" real facts: Are you wrestling with your alter(s)? "

don't have any. thats YOUR sickness.

i told you i wasn't brian, nor anyone else in here. both girard AND leonard know i am not, and you chicken out of asking them, because your an evil person who WANTS to lie. sick stuff

your the one that can't handle your business and have to become someone else to "try" and ride me out of town.

now that you know "lee" and "real_facts" didn't work, who will you become next?

can i help you-decide?.....lol "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:35 PM:

" real facts: Psssst...come closer... YOU'VE LOST! LOL! Having fun yet? ;-) "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:34 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:18 PM:
No matter how long you try, real facts, the truth will always prevail").

oh man do i love that fact....i-LOVE-the-truth

which is why i always stick to what i know....just as in the case of you and sam. i knew if i hung in there long enough, you both would slip up, and the truth would come to the surface to validate my claims about you both.

just like gold in the river bottom, truth fell into my "pan".

saaaweeet.

i don't have to "try hard" lodian.
i just have to be patient. eventually YOU-will-make-it-"easy"-for-me "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:31 PM:

" real facts: Are you wrestling with your alter(s)? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:30 PM:

" real facts wrote: "look, i could really care less who you people really are as far as the integrity meter in life."

Really! LOL! Then what the heck are you still doin' here? You have permission to leave at any time. LOL
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:29 PM:

" pretty funny stuff lodian (me being "discredited and lying). lol

desperate now huh?

you know what i love about my life, i can sit back and watch as you dig yourself a bigger hole in life than you already have, knowing full well you can't demonstrate one instance where i have ever lied about you, or anyone else. you validate me.

don't try so hard. it should be obvious to you by now that no matter how deep your evil goes, that you have people who support it. doesn't that comfort you? i know for sure it emboldens-you "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:28 PM:

" real facts 10:23pm: What are you calling "heinous-majoris"? LOL! You're such a drama queen. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:23 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:12 PM: "YOU confessed-to-girard"

I've never had anything to "confess" to anyone here. You are making things up to fit your agenda again. You are not even close to making sense.

I bet you're one of those people that will make-up a word in Scrabble and try to convince the other players that it's a "real" word so you can get the points. You're a cheater!


"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:23 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:08 PM:
" real facts: You are so dim. sam's long time family friend is like "family" as she is a "close" long time family friend. Are you really that thick headed? (rhetorical)".

how would you know? (unless you know sam personally)

lol. i knew it wouldn't be long before you would come up with something lame to michael jackson your way out of this heinous-majoris.

look, i could really care less who you people really are as far as the integrity meter in life.

the ONLY reason i "wrestle" with you people.....is so no one can claim-they-are-a-"Christian"...(like-you-people-do),...and-lie-and-thwart-Gods-authority-while-having-others-think-they-can-too-via-your-"example"....thats-why-it-matters-to-me-at-all,(and-why-i-bother)....otherwise-i-could-care/less....it's-your-integrity-to-flush....not-mine "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:18 PM:

" real facts 10:07 PM: Well, it looks like a two for one deal for all here. You are discredited, again. And the truth has been spoken, again!

No matter how long you try, real facts, the truth will always prevail. Your lies are still lies and the truth is still the truth. Your efforts have failed. You have not convinced people here that your manipulating lies are anything but complete garbage and hateful bully attacks.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:12 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:56 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:53 PM:
"…i proved it when lodian admitted it to girard after i caught her talking as if she was "real_facts" while posting as lodian.”

Never ever happened…not even close. This is all made up. Bring down the drama a notch, “multiple” personality man").

i don't have to make things up, thats the strength of my position in life.

all i have to do is sit back and watch you demonstrate who you really are, and then replicate excatly your own words.

as archived in here, YOU confessed-to-girard....thats-a-fact.....you-didn't-even-contest-it-when-i-busted-you-at-first....only-later-after-you-were-emboldened-by-girard-lying-to-cover-you,...did-you-then-try-and-cover-it-up "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:08 PM:

" real facts: You are so dim. sam's long time family friend is like "family" as she is a "close" long time family friend. Are you really that thick headed? (rhetorical)

Looks like you've never experienced such friendship or family, so it's too hard for you to understand.

You have been given ample opportunity to confirm any truths on this "handle" topic, yet you refuse. Like sam said, it's your choice to turn your back on the truth. Oh well. The only one that cares so deeply is YOU because you enjoy lying too much to stop.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:07 PM:

" lodian, the gig is up. it's been up on your rediculousness for months. congradulations, you have people covering for you. thats some accomplishment.

but before you high five yourself as some sort of accomplishment, "they" aren't really lying to cover you so much as they HAD to resort to lying, in order to discredit me in here. if they can make me look like the liar, suddenly everything i say falls flat and has no merit....and-"they"-are-off-the-hook-on-all-their-Godly-failures

it's for THAT reason they attempted it.

now sam is caught in her own web.
she has to continue-it-now-to-cover-her-own-self.....thats-what-happens-when-people-don't-care-about-gods-authority-in-their-life "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:59 PM:

" sam : what you purposefully evaded is where i twisted your words. were did i twist anything you said? you said it, i didn't.

i specifically asked you if you said ....."she is a long time family friend", and then did you say "she is a family member"?

i asked you if you said those things, and you accused me of twisting your words?

answer the question. isn't that what you said? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:56 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:53 PM:
"…i proved it when lodian admitted it to girard after i caught her talking as if she was "real_facts" while posting as lodian.”

Never ever happened…not even close. This is all made up. Bring down the drama a notch, “multiple” personality man.

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:50 PM:

" real facts 6:50 PM: How is it remotely close to what you call “willful lying” to make the comment (in response to Mr. Fields letter here), “One can believe in God and not be a Christian”? That’s just ridiculous. It’s a fact about the beliefs of some people.

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:37 PM:

" Oh geez... here we go again. "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:01 PM:

" Oh you silly man.

I said "I met real_facts today." I had no idea she was bloggong as real_facts until she told me. She did not want anyone to know who she was.

I told you that I have known her all her life.

I said my computers were available to family and family friends.

You just love twisting stuff. This is all old news. You can continue to refuse to choose the truth. You can continue to lie. That is your choice.


"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:55 PM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:26 PM:

You twist words to support your lies").

ok, where did i twist your words? show me one time where i did that?

did you, or did you not say "she is a friend of the family" first in the other blog, and then in this blog "she is a family member"?

i replicated YOUR exact words. where did i twist anything YOU said ??? "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:51 PM:

" i replicated in order, EXACTLY what you said in these blogs over several blogs..

(1) you claimed long after lodian had been playing the "real_facts" card, that you discovered who real_facts was, and you said ..."i know her. she is a long time friend of the family".

(2)....after you said she was a "friend of the family", you then stated "i just met her today"....

(3) then you said "she is a family member"

i told the exact truth of your own words.

my memory and representation of the facts is perfect.

now it's obvious you are the liar.

people that lie without conscience have-to-continue.....can-you-imagine-if-people-know-your-lying-sam?....what-pressure-you-are-facing-in-your-heart----should-i-please-people(by-continuing).....or-should-i-please-God-by-repenting?....the-other-pressure-you-face-is-validating-me,--because-i-caught-you-lying......the-pressure-must-be-intense "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:26 PM:

" rf said "i-just-met-her"..."a friend of the family" ....(i mean "family member")......oops"

Nope you are lying again. You twist words to support your lies.

YOU ARE BUSTED. Go watch the debate, It is great. Stop lying. You are embarrrassing yourself. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:03 PM:

" girard came in guns a blazing.

then when confronted about lodian and sam, suddenly girard is missing...

i wonder why that is ???

(i know why) "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:01 PM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:18 PM:
" RF, yeah, she is sitting right next to me.

I am enjoying reading her blogs.

You have been falsely accusing her and lying about her for months. I can understand her being upset with you").

wow. i gave you the chance to come clean, but you are obviously refusing, opting instead to perpetuate your lying about this.

"falsely accusing"? not hardly.(i-was-right-on-the-money)

not after i busted lodian admitting to girard, and talking as if lodian was "real_facts".

then you changing your story three times.

"i-just-met-her"..."a friend of the family" ....(i mean "family member")......oops

game over sam.

even-the-innocent-act-doesn't-fly(although-everyone-else-will-buy-it)....if-you-contiue-to-lie-about-this.....it's-your-integrity-to-flush....makes-no-difference-to-me
"

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:27 PM:

" RF, we do not hate you. We, as a family, hate your lies about us.

We are off to get ice cream before the debate.

Have a good night. "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:18 PM:

" RF, yeah, she is sitting right next to me.

I am enjoying reading her blogs.

You have been falsely accusing her and lying about her for months. I can understand her being upset with you.

Real_facts, you go for it. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:16 PM:

" lets draw girard into this for another test of his integrity...

what do you think of this latest soap opera concerning "real_facts" girard.

do you approve of it ???

am i still the "bad guy" ??? "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:14 PM:

" i like that.

"real_facts" appears "suddenly" on sams couch, and they are high fiving.

lodian obviously wrote that post, so...

sam, are you willing to confirm "real_facts" is right there beside you? "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:12 PM:

" real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Yeah, I will H5 sam.

Here sam.... H5.

I actually hit her right on withmy two hands on her two hands. We are sitting side by side with 3 other family members").

LOL. i know you people don't like me, but this is really pathetic.

i can understand lodian going on her current merry-go-round. but you sam? your willing to flush your integrity over lodian?

lets say for sake of arguement you and lodian are best friends, she STILL isn't worth your lying for her.

NO ONE IS.....it's sin and God-hates-sin,..while-you-don't-care
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:07 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:01 PM: " Nope, I am a family member of sam. You are trying to make stuff up... kind of like you are doing to JD on the Mormon blog").

ok, we know this one IS lodian.

if "real_facts" was somebody else and "innocent" (like sam lied about), "she" wouldn't have said this. the real_facts (as perpetuated by sam) wouldn't have said ANYTHING about the mormon blog, or JD, because "real_facts" would had high fived exposing false doctrine.

two for one deal tonight
(1) lodian the fruitcake in "full bloom"
(2) sam is now exposed "

real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Yeah, I will H5 sam.

Here sam.... H5.

I actually hit her right on withmy two hands on her two hands. We are sitting side by side with 3 other family members

You are BUSTED... you are a HUGE LIAR. AND we are all laughing at your foolishness. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:02 PM:

" real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:56 PM:

" RF, you are a LIAR. "

it appearsssssss (lol)

now we won't be able to tell this time (necessarily) if it is lodian, because lodian probably gave her password away so ANYONE can now play "real_facts".

you people are desperate (lol) "

real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Nope, I am a family member of sam. You are trying to make stuff up... kind of like you are doing to JD on the Mormon blog.

You are BUSTED. You are a lair. "

real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:59 PM:

" I am not Lodian. Real Facts, sam has told you the entire truth about me.

You want to refuse the truth and choose to make up and accept your lie, go for it. But you are BUSTED. YOU ARE A LIAR.

"Though shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:59 PM:

" you excused yourself out of it, but...

patience is a virtue, because then i caught you in your lie stating "she" is a "family member". really?

because in the other blog, you specifically stated she is a "friend of the family". (i don't miss anything).

you have changed your story three times.

now i await your still asserting "i" am the one that is lying....because now it is obvious that you are the one.

whats obvious now is that you did lie, but will you continue to? i don't want to make it easier on you per-se, but "they" will high five-you-for-doing-it......well?????? "

real_facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:56 PM:

" RF, you are a LIAR. "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:55 PM:

" What is hillarious is that real_facts is in my house right now and we are all eating take out Chinese food, laughing at your blogs.

You are SUCH a liar. It is so sad and pathetic to see you turn your back on the truth.

You can't take the truth. You are a liar. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:53 PM:

" sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:47 PM:

" You claiming real_facts is Lodian is a lie.

You choose to turn your back on the truth").

nope, i proved it. i proved it when lodian admitted it to girard after i caught her talking as if she was "real_facts" while posting as lodian.

now that you are lying, you have to keep it up.

unfortunately for you sam, you were caught in YOUR lie.

you said a long time ago that you found out who "real_facts" really was, and that you "met her". i called you on that, and you excused (con't---->) "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:50 PM:

" Real Facts, you are a liar. BUSTED ! "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:50 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Brian wrote, 'Lodian, that's a rhetorical statement' regarding Lodian's statement that, 'One can believe in God and not be a Christian.'

Brian - do you even know the definition of 'rhetorical?").

i like this post. it demonstrates girards inability to pick the ruth in life.

whats more important girard? the possible mis-use of a word, or willfull lying.

girard can't get himself to call lodian on her lie, because he is afraid of losing his cheering squad. instead he goes after brian. nice girard. everyone knows the handling of the english-language-is-far-more-important-than-moral-failure..... "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:47 PM:

" You claiming real_facts is Lodian is a lie.

You choose to turn your back on the truth. "

sam wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:45 PM:

" real_facts is not Lodian. That is a lie.

I find that quite amusing that you attack everyone about lying, yet you are the biggest liar of all.

You choose to turn your back on the truth. That is your choice. Live with it.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:42 PM:

" sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:12 PM:

" F, I never said a "family friend." I said a family member").

where is sam ???

i really want to ask her why she lied to me, and about me.

sam, i know your reading this, and you need to come clean on why you did it "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:38 PM:

" girard: just to make sure you understand the value of your choices of picking people over truth, YOU are now an accessory TO lodians crime of lying without conscience. you and everyone else that says nothing to her about it.

by YOU laughing about it, blaming me and high fiving her every time she does, it fuels her thinking that she can lie without repercussions before God.

YOU girard have given her license to sin, a price you will surely pay for eventually....and are as we speak, via the flushing of your integrity "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:33 PM:

" i will give you the perfect example girard....

your little partner in crime (lodian)can't keep her self in check. over in the blog about mormonism, she talks garbage about me (before i said anything to her or about her), then starts lying about me being brian in that blog - totally unrelated to that blogs flow, just to cause trouble.
she did it because she is evil.

....and i am the bad guy?

whats funny about you girard is lodians garbage in the mormon blog will include YOU.....because you will continue to blame me, even though lodian lies and causes trouble.....thats-how-far-YOU-have-fallen....you-HIGH-FIVE-sin "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:27 PM:

" ("I would suggest that this fella needs to either hold his breath or stop mentioning these 'names' that he has a problem with; such a simple solution for a simple mind").

that "simple solution" has always been in YOUR hands....but-you-can't-help-yourself

a long time ago i promised you all you wouldn't even know i am around if you did a few simple things...
(1) you didn't mis-represent God or his word.
(2) you didn't talk trash about Christ, Christianity or Christians.
(3) you didn't lie about me or talk about me.

when that happens, i will take you to task for it, and your EGO preceeded-you

"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:21 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:28 PM:
" real facts thinks he can do all the name-calling he likes yet when he gets it right back he cries and whines like a little child").

"whining"? i invite anything you can throw at me knowing it only validates who you "aren't", and who i am.

doesn't bother me in the least, as it serves MY purpose in here.

both you and girard should crawl into a hole and learn your lesson. you two are flushing your integrity into the sewer over me, everytime you post "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:15 PM:

" ("girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 1:27 PM: I have always been dubious of people who begin statements with, ‘God’s honest truth,…,’ or ‘To tell you the truth,…,’ or ‘Do you want the truth?,’ as if to suggest that the absence of such a qualifier should alert me to a lie emitting from their lips").

OK fair enough. where have i ever lied girard about anything???

what i was like about this situation is that whenever "they" accuse me of lying, "they" come up empty handed when asked to show proof.

will you be the 1st girard ??? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:13 PM:

" Some silly little person said, 'it's (sic) ok then. i (sic) don't mind being the bad guy. i (sic) don't want to be mentioned in the same breath as either one of you.'

I would suggest that this fella needs to either hold his breath or stop mentioning these 'names' that he has a problem with; such a simple solution for a simple mind. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:11 PM:

" ("girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 1:07 PM: Personally, I would much rather have sexually transmitted diseases than the maladies that have invaded the minds and souls of a few who 'contribute' to these blogs").

i hope your not trying to save your integrity after your nasty comment.

even i am surprised at how far you have fallen. i expect it from lodian given she has no conscience.


you falsely believe you can blame me for your integrity flush
"

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:06 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:03 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:43 PM:
"(and i am the "bad guy")

You said it. Glad to see you start to recognize that you are at fault").

spoken like a person without a conscience.

according to your world, lying is acceptable, and people who call you on it are the "bad guys".

no wonder you and girard are best friends.

it's ok then. i don't mind being the bad guy. i don't want to be mentioned in the same breath as either one of you. that would mean that i am-just-like-you....no-thanks "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 4:06 PM:

" nylodian - surely you don't believe that by residing in NY you are not within the grasp of my ultra-holy metallic grip, do you? If you do, be fore-warned!! My minions are close at hand - no one, except for only perfect me (and a few others), are immune from the harshest of judgment to befall those who so callously permit the tiniest pieces of refuse to fall from their fingers - and that means YOU!!

Thanks for the kind words about Mr. Girard. Obviously, he means a great deal to me; one of my greatest influences. "

nylodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:58 PM:

" girard: because you say I am too far gone a sinner that even your prayers cannot help me, I shall consciously continue to litter. Each dropped napkin will be a direct affront to your authority and a reminder of your utter failure to convert me. :p

Seriously, re: "‘My deeds must be my life; when I am dead, my actions must speak for me.’

So true - beautiful quote.


"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:34 PM:

" girard74 3:25 PM: Wow! What a wonderful tribute.

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:28 PM:

" real facts thinks he can do all the name-calling he likes yet when he gets it right back he cries and whines like a little child. Hmmm, sounds like Brian's routine. Are you going to start cussing now, like "Brian", real facts? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:25 PM:

" Lodian - that quote is from Stephen Girard (1750-1831), my benefactor. His generosity provided me with a better start in life than my own parents did. On the campus of Girard College sits this incredible chapel the likes of which I have never been able to find since I graduated in 1974. In the west vestibule that quote is carved into the Indiana Limestone of which the entire building is constructed. The campus is incredible.

Girard was a tribute to not only his adopted United States, but to his native France as well. Without a doubt he is my hero. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:08 PM:

" real facts: Since you claim to be all about truth, then answer the question. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:07 PM:

" real facts: You danced around my question about your lies (no surprise). Care to even try to answer? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:06 PM:

" girard: Beautiful quote. Who said it? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 3:03 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:43 PM:
"(and i am the "bad guy")

You said it. Glad to see you start to recognize that you are at fault. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 1:27 PM:

" I have always been dubious of people who begin statements with, ‘God’s honest truth,…,’ or ‘To tell you the truth,…,’ or ‘Do you want the truth?,’ as if to suggest that the absence of such a qualifier should alert me to a lie emitting from their lips. My experience has been that those who are so insistent upon proclaiming their own honesty and integrity are those who possess the least amount of that particular quality.

When I was very young, I was taught a phrase uttered by one of this nation’s most prolific, albeit little-known patriots. I’ve tried to live by these words throughout my lifetime: ‘My deeds must be my life; when I am dead, my actions must speak for me.’ "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 1:07 PM:

" Personally, I would much rather have sexually transmitted diseases than the maladies that have invaded the minds and souls of a few who 'contribute' to these blogs. My disdain and contempt for these few lost degenerates grows upon reading each of their pathetic posts. I find no value, either in intelligence or humor with anything they have to ‘say.’ The only positive comment that I can possibly make is that according to each of our ‘rights,’ I support their right to speak their minds; it is the health of those minds that is seriously in doubt. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:50 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:12 AM:
" real facts: It's sort of funny that you presume an integrity test posed by you is anything close to being about integrity. It's not even close").

i know you wish with all your might that yours and girards lack of integrity wasn't on full display, but thats YOURS and HIS fault. no one holds a gun to your head and forces you to lie....you and girard do it willingly.

the "integrity test" was to demonstrate girard feiged integrity. not only was it accurate, girard CHOSE to flush it even further.

what a surprise "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:46 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:29 AM:

" real facts: How far will you go with your lies? Do you have a limit as to what you will do or say? Do you think there are degrees in lying or is a lie a lie, no matter what the topic, setting or situation?").

since YOUR the one that lies in here, and NOBODY calls you on it, instead high fiving you for it, you will have to answer your own question, seeing how i have never lied in here once.

your lack of conscience won't allow you to answer it. bummer "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:43 PM:

" girard: thats nice. now your sewer mentality really comes into play.

not only can't you address lodians purposeful lie about me being brian, as the fruitcake can't restrain herself, then you resort to imlying i have a sexually transmitted disease.

yea. your a shining example of "integrity"

your both a couple of winners in life.

(and i am the "bad guy" - lol) "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:41 AM:

" I am deeply concerned that someone here may very well have contracted the 'clap' (perhaps as many as five different types, by my count). I do hope that I am wrong; yet I strongly urge anyone who has come in contact with this individual to seek medical attention immediately. One cannot be too careful when associating with persons of lesser, questionable moral conduct. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:29 AM:

" real facts: How far will you go with your lies? Do you have a limit as to what you will do or say? Do you think there are degrees in lying or is a lie a lie, no matter what the topic, setting or situation? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:26 AM:

" It's interesting how real facts and Brian post the same comments on how they feel there is a "smear campaign" going on. Hmmm, coincidence? Nope. LOL "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:12 AM:

" real facts: It's sort of funny that you presume an integrity test posed by you is anything close to being about integrity. It's not even close. Besides, I don't have to do anything at all to expose your use of multiple handles. It's quite obvious. You and Brian are one in the same. That is the truth, obviously. You can protest all you like, but we all know the truth about you. Post on “multiple” man. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:32 AM:

" real facts: You post as real facts and Brian. That's the truth. "

watch this lodian....

hey girard, do you approve of lodian lying about me, knowing full well she is? this is an integrity test girard, will you pass it?

i am thinking he will be consisten and won't pass it. let's see if he doesn't even answer it after we all know he read it.

girard doesn't like when his integrity gets the spotlight.

if a person actually HAS integrity, they WELCOME the spotlight.

thanks for the opportunity lodian "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:37 AM:

" real facts: Just so you know... I've heard that when a person's alter takes over they may not remember it happening. Perhaps that is what is going on with you. That or you're just devious. I suspect the later").

"you've heard"? you could write a book on it after your debacle of being "lee" and "real_facts" in here.

you know what i do like about you?
your a consistent fruitcake that does nothing more than to prove who i am by your continuing lying.

that and you are helping me underline girard's loss of-his-integrity-by-only-high-fiving-you-instead-of-calling-you-out-on-your-lies.....thank-you-lol "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:39 AM:

" *latter "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:37 AM:

" real facts: Just so you know... I've heard that when a person's alter takes over they may not remember it happening. Perhaps that is what is going on with you. That or you're just devious. I suspect the later. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:32 AM:

" real facts: You post as real facts and Brian. That's the truth. "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:54 PM:

" Brian/real facts").

girard, i like how you accuse me of being the "bad guy" in here, while your cronies commit the real sins in here day after day by purposefully lying about me. that doesn't come up on your radar. afterall since you have done it yourself, lying IS acceptable to you, so of course your not going to say anything. nope, real facts is the bad guy. lying about real facts isn't a sin, it doesn't matter that the lie is intended to smear real facts' good-name.......no-i-girard-approve-of-lying-to-smear-a-persons-name-and-character "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:00 AM:

" another nice display of lack of integrity girard.

since when is truth counted in numbers?

if you even half measured life by truth, you would fully understand that truth is the rarest of commodities these days, with most people swimming in that W.I.D.E. river. just like you.

if your ego is looking to win the popular vote in here, you have it hands down over me every day of the week. but thats because you ride with the "busloads".

me? i told you i could care less what people think, so i am looking forward to being the only one.......you-can-have-"popularity".....i-will-pick-truth-over-it-any-day "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:47 AM:

"

H5!

Well done, girard.

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Folks - a challenge has been put forth that can only be resolved by a vote of the People!!

Who here believes that he who shall not be named's '...tenure in here is rediculous (sic) or perhaps (sick)?' Let's settle this once and for all. (Yeah, right!)

To vote in the affirmative signify with a hearty 'H5!'

To vote in opposition signify with a burp!

Democracy in action!! "

real facts wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:24 AM:

" clap clap clap clap clap...

that was an oscar winning performance girard. i can see you succeeded in having at least two people think you gave a good reason why my tenure in here is rediculous. it would be deemed rediculous if you are on YOUR side of the fence.

what you did with your little "performance" is completely give credence to lying. i noticed neither of you have condemned sams lying all this time that she knew "real_facts"(in-an-attempt-at-destroying-my-credibility), because that behavior is OK by your standards, while my calling you on it is not.

high fiving yourself doesn't change-the-fact-that-you-are-a-supporter-of-sin,...while-calling-yourself-a-"Christian"......you-only-just-dug-yourself-a-bigger-"integrity/hole".....congradulations-girard.....high/five "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 7:01 AM:

" nylodian - obviously you are too far away (mostly in your abject sin) that I am of little assistance to you from here; even prayer is of little value. However, I will consult with my superiors to find a sainted master nearer to you to be assigned to ‘guide’ you. Don't fret; your days of reckoning are not far ahead. God HATES a litterer!! You are warned!! "

nylodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:55 AM:

" Girard: because I am a blasphemer by reputation, I deliberately threw a napkin on the ground JUST to defy you to "save" me. :p LOL!

H-5 and RAmen! "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 6:46 AM:

" Lodian - Thank you for your compliments. I am, of course perfectly serious. I've finally seen the 'light' and have been transformed. What you 'see' before you now is a new saint; filled with Godly resolve to rid my neighborhood of the scourge of sin and debauchery. My eyes are finally open and from here on out I will bring to the attention of all subordinate and substandard humans their failings and demand they renounce their evil ways or face my wrath; I now speak FOR God! I'm thankful that you already have such a worthy advocate counseling you; you are indeed very fortunate. I need not worry that you will soon be brought into the fold and be whole once again!! Yes! H5!! Yes! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:35 AM:

" girard: Great posts!! (11:34 11:42 12:03) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:33 AM:

" According to real facts I guess I cannot speak of anything, make a comment, an observation, share knowledge or talk about what I know of others unless I personally believe in it myself. Hmmm, very interesting. I will consider that the next time I read his posts. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 16, 2008 12:03 AM:

" And don't think for a second that I left those others who conspired in furtherance of this sin of litter and deceit; oh no - they're well within my sights from now and until they also repent! This furtherance of evil wrongdoing will not be permitted on my watch; I'll follow them everywhere - to their homes and to their work. I'll even change my identity to fool them into thinking I'm not right around the corner! I'll show them; yes I will. These LIARS! These heretics!! They will pay!!! Either they confess or they are doomed to hell!!!! "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:42 PM:

" Regardless of how much the man protested that he did not throw the napkin on the ground (and others around attested to this as well), I knew he did; he was a liar and as such he would not get away with it. God has appointed me, GIRARD74, as the guardian of the truth and all that is righteous in my neighborhood. There is no way I will permit anyone to get away with such atrocities. My integrity cannot possibly permit me to be wrong about anything; therefore he DID throw that napkin on the ground and he IS a liar!! "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:34 PM:

" Before this blog ends, I need to share what happened today. I was walking down the street and noticed a man I didn’t know throw a napkin on the ground. I immediately confronted him and described that what he did and who he was is an abomination to God. Unless he repented right then and there I was going to hound him like a dog until he did; he would be unable to hide from me because until he became right with God it was my responsibility to remind him just how useless and worthless he is to God and everyone else. Wow! I sure feel good about myself!! "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:09 PM:

" ("girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:49 PM: At this point I will thank (my) God that this useless blog will find its way into the archives. It couldn't come a moment too soon").

you mean the "god" who told you it's ok to not call sin, sin.

the blog will disappear. but your lack of integrity and lodians and sams will follow you around until you all repent. i am only the mirror to your failings. your failings have nothing to do with me, it's the condition of your heart.

unless you turn around, your lack of integrity will-show-up-in-subsequent-blogs "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:04 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:54 PM:
"real facts: Why does my post (Apr 15, 2008 10:03 AM) to Mr. Fields cause you to get so riled up?").

to demonstrate once again, that you cannot call yourself a Christian, and make statements like you made.

as a "Christian", you CANNOT make allowances for other "gods" alongside your supposed Lord. thats anti-christian behavior, and completely disrespectful to Gods authority.

i merely pointed it out to once again demonstrate your "ain't-ness", so that no one can claim they are a Christian, and say those things, and believe those things "

Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:58 PM:

" H5, girard! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:58 PM:

" Geez, look whom I'm asking! He'd get riled up if the wind unexpectedly changed direction. lol "

Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:54 PM:

" Brian/real facts: Why does my post (Apr 15, 2008 10:03 AM) to Mr. Fields cause you to get so riled up? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:49 PM:

" At this point I will thank (my) God that this useless blog will find its way into the archives. It couldn't come a moment too soon. While I have always understood the purpose behind the First Amendment as it pertains to speech, I often wonder why the Founders couldn't have added a small qualification that those who choose to exercise that right have at least a modicum of intelligence. I know that that would have resulted in unfair discrimination, but it sure would have saved on a lot of hot, useless air from a few “LN-S Blogging Buffoons.” H5 Everyone! "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:33 PM:

" ("girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:25 PM: This forum is for ‘debate,’ plain and simple. It is not designed to judge anyone’s character or their faith").

boy is that a hypocritical statement considering everytime i tried to engage you in biblical debate (which Christians shouldn't have a problem with), you made excuses and ran off.

you judge peoples character, motives and "faith" everyday in here via your various discussions with many different people on a variety of subjects, so don't try and pull that one.

biblical judging is commanded so that truth prevails. your just mad yours doesn't stand up-to-the-test....thats-on-you
"

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:28 PM:

" girard; "if" you did play on the "decency/honor" team, you would pick truth over people everytime. the opposite is true about you, including purposefully sweeping sin under the rug as if it's accepatable. sin that your supposed Lord addressed as an evil. not only that, but you purposefully lied trying to cover the sins of others, and continue to do so.

thats decent and honorable?

your just a little miffed i called you on it, a designation i am supposed to have via Gods commands that believers call sin, sin. your assertions against me are biblically-unfounded "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:25 PM:

" Anyone who 'knows' me realizes that I play on the 'team' of decency and honor. I don't constantly and incessantly berate, harangue, bother, ridicule or otherwise treat people with disdain simply because I don't like what they 'believe,' 'say,' or the way they 'say' it. This forum is for ‘debate,’ plain and simple. It is not designed to judge anyone’s character or their faith.

People who behave in this way nauseate me; I find them to be so insecure in their own souls that I cannot even pity them. I am so secure in my relationship with God that frankly I don't accept anyone (ANYONE) preaching to me about ANYTHING unless I voluntarily sit in a pew on Sunday and even then my relationship with God is mine alone to be responsible for. "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 6:59 PM:

" girard; instead of picking truth over people, and question why lodian (who "claims" to be a Christian) would ever make an open ended statement like that.....instead, you chide brian on a possible mis-use of a word as it pertains to the subject matter, while knowing what brian meant

you claim to be a Christian, and if you were, you would have been all over her for that,...not-brian

what "team" do you play for girard? your verbage continues to be one of the opposite of solidarity with Christ, and the truths of Christ.

instead, you pick "people". ....it's-another-display-of-your-lack-of-Godly-integrity "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 3:41 PM:

" Brian wrote, 'Lodian, that's a rhetorical statement' regarding Lodian's statement that, 'One can believe in God and not be a Christian.'

Brian - do you even know the definition of 'rhetorical?' "

Brian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:38 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Mr. Fields: One can believe in God and not be a Christian. "


Lodian, that's a rhetorical statement.

What else do you see in your crystal ball? "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 12:29 PM:

" anyone see sam lately?

she owes me an apology for trying to smear my good name "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 12:28 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Mr. Fields: One can believe in God and not be a Christian. "

true statement.

but belief in any god but the one true God, and one ends up on the wrong side of eternity.

what person who claims they are a "Christian", makes any allowances for other gods or paths of belief after Jesus himself claimed to be the only way?

i tell who makes that statement....a phony
Jesus Christ NEVER made any allowances of any kind like this. anyone who ever did he straight up rebuked them as phonies "

Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Mr. Fields: One can believe in God and not be a Christian. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Brian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:34 AM:
"Thank you for clearing that up with us"

It was cleared up for "you", not "us". "

dogbark wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Unlike Rev Owens who stated "Now the God of the Bible is recognized by our city" when the In God We Trust plaque was accepted by council vote, our founders chose to use non-intrusive words such as "Creator" in their public sentiments. And long before the people spoke by demanding a Bill of Rights, our founders in Article VII of the constitution stated "No religious test shall ever be required" of federal AND state officers elected or appointed. Our founders knew people who had been horribly persecuted, imprisoned and torutured for religious beliefs. Not here, they ensured!
I hope. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Brian - I knew that the term 'God's green earth' has been widely used for a very long time. Obviously it was originally penned during a time when 'man' didn't have the ability to view the planet as it actually appears. A quick search for the term doesn't reveal when it was first written.

My best guess is that it referred to their home when/where crops were plentiful and mostly 'green' as provided by God - another way to give thanks and pay homage. "

Brian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:34 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Brian wrote, 'This is the greatest nation on God's green Earth.'

In case you've never viewed our planet from space, Brian, the majority of earth is, in fact, not green. Actually, we're referred to as, among things, the 'Big Blue Marble.'

G74, Thank you for clearing that up with us. I have heard that term. I was only reitterating what Michael Medved says at the beginning of his radio show every day. I like it. We could have a discussion on the term green. Given the amount of Photosynthesis ocurring on thisplanetatanygivenmoment "

girard74 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:28 AM:

" Brian wrote, 'This is the greatest nation on God's green Earth.'

In case you've never viewed our planet from space, Brian, the majority of earth is, in fact, not green. Actually, we're referred to as, among things, the 'Big Blue Marble.' "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:27 AM:

" girard: your mad at me because i busted sam in her lying? so her lying all this time about her "knowing" who real_facts was in order to cover for lodian's lying, that behavior is acceptable, but mine is not? you think lodian and sams lying in order to smear my reputation is acceptable behavior in Gods eyes, but me calling them on their transgressions is not?

you have a twisted version of who God is if you hold that position....and if you do, it's only because you are like them thinking you can sin without repercussions "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:22 AM:

" girard: according to you then, ....lying is acceptable, subverting and changing Gods laws and standards into your OWN definition is acceptable, not challenging anybody about Gods laws/standards is acceptable, etc. given that definition of you, why would you bother to call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ, because you maintain by that position there are no standards of behavior toward obedience?

you high fived lodian for lying, while knowing she did. you then lied on her behalf. you will support sam in her lying as well. you are an accessory to their sin, and now-you-cry-"foul"-and-blame-me-when-i-am-the-one-that-is-willing-to-call-sin,...sin "

real facts wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:16 AM:

" girard; your right. you HAVE been worshipping the wrong Jesus Christ. at minimum, you fail to aknowledge sin, as outlined in Gods word, and you give a free pass to sin, including your own, claiming as a Christian that looking the other way is the acceptable way to follow Christ. not so girard.

you also insinuate that me calling sin, sin.....is akin to being an affront to being a Christian, but that insinuation is entirely 100% un-biblical. if it wasn't for people like me upholding-Godly-standards, you wouldn't know who Jesus Christ is, because-God-has-standards-that-must-be-kept.....

your-blaming-me-for-your-failures-still "

Brian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:06 AM:

" Almost nine out of 10 Americans (86%) say that they believe in God, even when given the choice of saying that they "don't believe in God, but believe in a universal spirit or higher power" (chosen by only eight percent). In fact, only five percent of the population choose neither of these choices and thus claim a more straightforward atheistic position. Gallup Poll, Christmas 1999 "

Brian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:03 AM:

" This is the greatest nation on God's green Earth. "

Brian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:02 AM:

" We know our nation was founded in Christian principle by Christians because history witnessed and recorded it so, and not just on paper, but also in stone.

We only need to visit Washington, D.C., and the capitals of our individual states to see God's Decalogue given through Moses engraved on the granite and marble friezes on our government buildings.

-I'd like to hear a comment on the exerpts from this letter.

I'll start. The U.S. is blessed. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 15, 2008 7:50 AM:

" girard74 11:07 PM: Well said. Beautiful!

"

girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 11:07 PM:

" If ‘he who shall not be named’ and others like it truly represents The God and the Jesus Christ of the Bible, then these are not the deities that I have worshiped my entire adult life. These 'perversions' perpetrated in the ‘name’ of God at the hands of silly, immature, ridiculous people, according to their right of 'free speech' may be permitted to be stated; however, they absolutely do not embody the ‘One True’ God. No amount of haranguing, belittling and libelous speech will convince the majority of people that possess even a modicum of faith, intelligence and sense of decency otherwise. "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:47 PM:

" ("girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:24 PM:" Since this 'blog' has lost its direction and will soon be archived").

i know. i wonder if sam is "praying" that it does, hoping she can skate away without dealing with her lying in here?
i know she is, but i will "remind" her, because what she did by lying about it was evil. her intent was to smear my reputation by implying "I" was the one that was lying. well thats a big mistake, because i make sure people own thier evils....especially when it challenges Gods authority, or my reputation-in-defending-it....let-it-be-a-lesson-to-you-all....that-you-can't-get-away-with-it......ever "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:40 PM:

" whatever you say girard. if you want to continue to embarrass yourself by continuing your posts that are directed at me, then your subsequent denial of it, who am i to stop you? lol

here's your supposed "non" mention of me... ("girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:17 PM: Hmmm, this begs for attention. Perhaps this individual should pay more attention to his own yard and less upon his neighbor's").

make up your mind about who you are girard. your posts indicate a wrestling match in your mind, and your integrity is losing.

you don't have to you know? "

girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:24 PM:

" Since this 'blog' has lost its direction and will soon be archived, permit me this last diversion.

I've made it rather clear that there are about four participants with whom I will no longer 'engage.' Semantics? Sure. Yet, the distinction is important. I’ve chosen to no longer make comments to invite debate or discourse with these people. If what I 'say' causes them to ‘think’ that my words serve as an invitation, then that is to their detriment that they simply do not understand. I will never be stifled by others' ignorance or stupidity; they know who they are. Ciao! "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:53 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 PM:
These kinds of people, who are so intense in pointing their finger, are usually the ones with the most to hide in their own closets. He is out hunting down others to deflect from his own problems at home").

"intense" would indicate i love doing this, when actually the opposite is true. i don't like it, it takes up time that i would rather be doing something else....but-God-has-called-me-to-defend-his-authority-in-here.....so-i-will

i don't have anything in my "closets" because i make sure i keep my stuff straight. unlike you, i care what God thinks-about-what-i-do.....and...-i-have-zero-"problems/at/home"....bummer-that-you-can't-project-your-misery-onto-me-uh? "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:46 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 PM:
Yes that certain "someone of insignificance" does indeed need to evaluate himself rather than look for flaws in others").

you somehow think i troll to bust people, but thats not what i do.

what i do is make sure that when God is alluded to in ANY blog, and the person doing the "alluding" attempts to sell to others that they are a "Christian", but can lie and subvert Gods authority, THEN i say something.

i didn't ask you OR sam to lie, you BOTH chose to. i only busted you both AFTER you-kept-perpetuating-it....thats-on-you-both....not-me....you-can't-blame-me-for-your-sins.....you-chose-to-commit-them----if-you-didn't,...you-wouldn't-even-know-i-was-around "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:39 PM:

" girard, still can't keep your word as a man? i thought you were "done" talking to me or about me. it's your ego that drives you, i know. your ego defines alot of who you are, including the spilling of your integrity in here for not aknowledging sin (lodian and sams lying), and blaming me for the atmosphere in here. the position you take on this is a huge insight into the man you really "aren't".

sad that you would blame me for the sins of others, but thats typical behavior of someone who picks people over truth "

Gator wrote on Apr 14, 2008 8:46 PM:

"
Just passing thru,I see it's the
SOSDD C-YA :-))))) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 PM:

" girard: Well said. Yes that certain "someone of insignificance" does indeed need to evaluate himself rather than look for flaws in others. These kinds of people, who are so intense in pointing their finger, are usually the ones with the most to hide in their own closets. He is out hunting down others to deflect from his own problems at home. He’s obviously very lonely and sad. Getting bad attention from bloggers is better to him than no attention at all. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:17 PM:

" Someone of insignificance wrote, '...that is more common in here than the weeds on my neighbors lawn.'

Hmmm, this begs for attention. Perhaps this individual should pay more attention to his own yard and less upon his neighbor's. Seems to me there's something in the Bible regarding the ‘log’ in one's own eye, rather than the 'speck' in someone else's? I could be mistaken, but I think not. "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:07 PM:

" gee, after sam got busted for lying about the "real_facts" debacle, she has gone strangely missing.

not to worry. you know how i roll. if she doesn't come clean on this blog, i will "remind her" in the ensuing blogs.

reminding you people that you cannot lie, and you cannot subvert Gods authority over your life and others....it's what i do.

now here's your homework people....make sure you sweep sams lie under the rug, and don't hold her accountable for it. by that stance, you will have sent the mesage to her that lying is acceptable, and you can flush your integrity-down-the-drain-as-well "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 6:59 PM:

" Robb wrote on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 AM:

" H-5!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ").

hey robb, since you are still "watching", how about you explain to the reading audience why you chickened out of my challenge to you to qualify your OWN statements?

someday i will run across a person who actually CAN back their position up, instead of this childish hit and run game that is more common in here than the weeds on my neighbors lawn "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Brian/real facts: I know you'd like me, and all others that disagree with you, to go away").

what i would like to see, but is unrealistic given the cast of characters in here, is someone who actually picks truth over people and agenda, that would be a great thing. the other thing i would like to see, but realistically won't happen, is people picking Gods standards over anything else.

since that is obviously not going to happen based on past history, i will continue to tell the truth, regardless of the backlash "

real facts wrote on Apr 14, 2008 6:48 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Brian - Lodian has done nothing regarding my posts here; she stands on her own just fine, needing no validation from me").

"she stands on her own just fine".....it is incredulous to watch people flush their integrity down the drain over protecting lodian. the woman lies constantly/daily without conscience, and all people do in here is high five her.....it's sickening.

another stunning display of girard's "integrity" "

girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Brian - Lodian has done nothing regarding my posts here; she stands on her own just fine, needing no validation from me. Your infantile, silly, ridiculous and obnoxious ranting simply demands my reaction from time to time. I am hopeful that one day you might get the message from not only me, but others as well and begin to contribute more intelligently. (IMO) "

Brian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 3:21 PM:

" Lodian, You haven't commented once about the subject matter of this blog.
So there is nothing to disagree or agree with you on. You even have Girard echoing your sentiments about me. Just to rock the boat I would assume. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 11:28 AM:

" Brian wrote, " RF, I enjoy your posts. Whenever I read your posts I learn something. God Bless You:)"

Please share with the folks here what you have learned from real facts and what you most enjoy about his posts.
"

girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Brian wrote, 'go Away!'

Hmmmmm, (as I slowly, with incredible awe and amazement scratch my chin) - How deep!

Brian, you're wasting your talents here. Certainly there are other more cerebral forums on which you can share your opinions formed from your lengthy and infinite wisdom? Obviously we're not up to the task of challenging you sufficiently. Go, wise man, go!! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Brian/real facts: I know you'd like me, and all others that disagree with you, to go away. It's not going to happen. You must learn that life doesn't work that way. "

Brian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Brian/real facts: This letter is more of the same of what has already been hashed out on many blogs, and at great length. Were you absent on those days?

And your alter, real facts, is the one with all the "delusions of grandeur". You just fell right into that one. "


Yes I was, perhaps you should enlighten us in your ability to predict the future too. Given Mr. Field's subject matter has been debated for years are you all that omnipotent that you don't need to discuss it anymore? go Away! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Brian/real facts: This letter is more of the same of what has already been hashed out on many blogs, and at great length. Were you absent on those days?

And your alter, real facts, is the one with all the "delusions of grandeur". You just fell right into that one. "

Brian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:03 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:08 AM:

" real facts 11:57 PM: Yes, I'll be here tomorrow. I'll be here exposing your act. It's easy. I know you need to recharge and think up some more attacks. Actually, you really do need "new" material. Please try to be more creative. You make it too easy. Goodnight, real facts/Brian (BaRF).

Lodian is having delusions of grandeur.
I can't site one post where she has contributed anything in reference to the letter. One wonders is she can contribute. "

Robb wrote on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 AM:

" H-5!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:46 AM:

" I'll second that! It bites! :-)

H5 "

nylodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:32 AM:

" Another blog bites the dust... and another blog's gone, another blog's gone, another blog bites the dust. Out of the keyboard the bullets rip and another blog bites the dust!

Everybody sing!

My apologies to the late Freddie Mercury :) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:11 AM:

" real facts/Brian is an interesting case study. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:09 AM:

" H-5, girard! Were you enjoying a vacation? I hope all is well. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:08 AM:

" real facts 11:57 PM: Yes, I'll be here tomorrow. I'll be here exposing your act. It's easy. I know you need to recharge and think up some more attacks. Actually, you really do need "new" material. Please try to be more creative. You make it too easy. Goodnight, real facts/Brian (BaRF).
"

girard74 wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:05 AM:

" I have been purposely absent for a short while. It's heartwarming to see that some things don't need to change. It might be like going ‘home’ after ten years away to find that the furniture hadn't changed, been moved or even dusted; and the original doilies have become yellow and cracked with age.

Ahh, the LNS Blogs - I'm home again!!

H5! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 14, 2008 12:01 AM:

" real facts 11:52 PM: Again, you are lying to yourself if you think everyone in your life, family and anyone else in town, is telling you the truth.

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:59 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:48 PM:
"brian is about the only one who is willing to take a stand for Gods truths publically in here."

That is because you are Brian.
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:58 PM:

" real facts 11:45 PM: I don't have the same disrespect for others as you do. It's hard for you to understand that, isn't it? Everyone here can think and speak for himself/herself very well. No one needs me. That is certain. It's interesting that you think I have that much influence over some very bright people here. Looks like I respect them more than you. You seem to want the respect of the posters here yet you continue to holler from the rooftops that you don’t need anyone, as truth is your thing and you think we are all liars. Is that your issue? You don’t know how to make friends? "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:57 PM:

" i am going to bed now lodian, i know you will be here doing the same things tomorrow.....it's what you have become.

before i go, whats the over and under about sam coming back in here, in a attempt to bail herself out of her lie? do you think she will?

your a selfish heinous human being lodian for watching as sam flushed her integrity trying to cover for you.

her sin is upon you as well. if you hadn't lied about you NOT being "real_facts", sam wouldn't have had the chance to pull what she did.

your an accessory to her-crime-now-as-well-as-your-own "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:52 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:45 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:40 PM:
"...no one who knows me is afraid of telling me any truth about me OR my behavior"

And you know this how? Are you a mind reader")?

it's what a person puts forward in life in dealing relationally. the people around me know me as a person who adheres to truth above all else. that creates the scenario whereby anyone that knows that, possess' the ability to approach me unafraid, and they do if they need to "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:48 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:36 PM:
" real facts: If you are all alone in the truth you speak about God then maybe you should reexamine your understanding of His word. Most have at least one other person in their life that shares their beliefs and understanding of God's word. If you have no one, that may be a problem for you").

i was talking about the people in here. brian is about the only one who is willing to take a stand for Gods truths publically in here.

why would i "re-examine" away from the truths of God?.....thats-what-you-do "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:47 PM:

" begging? LOL "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:45 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:40 PM:
"...no one who knows me is afraid of telling me any truth about me OR my behavior"

And you know this how? Are you a mind reader? Keep telling yourself lies. They're big lies. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:45 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:38 PM:

If you think so then I guess you haven't read many of my posts in the last few years").

"last few years"? how about in the last few HOURS? i watched as you tried desperately to kiss up to sam so she wouldn't sell you down the river. your pathetic begging is archived in the blogs below.

you did it to WY and girard (and a host-of-others)in the other blogs over the last few weeks. you do it everytime you get busted on something, and "they" buy it everytime.

it's sickening "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:42 PM:

" Actually, even the wackos (ie: Rev Phelps, Kansas) has followers. So, maybe you do have a bunch of buddies that spew along with you. You must be so proud. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:40 PM:

" Lodian ; nope, not the case. unlike you, i welcome the truth about me, because unlike you, i am willing to adjust to it.....so no one who knows me is afraid of telling me any truth about me OR my behavior. the people around me aren't afraid of telling me the truth, thats just your wishful projection onto me, hoping that I was the one that was to blame for what you do.

if they don't tell me the truth, then they don't love me enough to do so. it wouldn't be because i didn't allow them an avenue-to-do-it "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:38 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:33 PM:
"("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:25 PM: Or maybe you "need" to have others here respect you in the worst way").

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:33 PM:
"that desribes YOU to a "tee", not me."

If you think so then I guess you haven't read many of my posts in the last few years.


"

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:36 PM:

" real facts: If you are all alone in the truth you speak about God then maybe you should reexamine your understanding of His word. Most have at least one other person in their life that shares their beliefs and understanding of God's word. If you have no one, that may be a problem for you. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:33 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:25 PM:
Or maybe you "need" to have others here respect you in the worst way").

that desribes YOU to a "tee", not me.

if i was begging for respect, i would pull the same things you do....i would discard Gods truth in favor of popularity, watch real close what i say so as to not offend them, and kiss up to them whenever i can so i can "gain" their respect. thats YOUR m.o.

me....i only care about one thing....the truth in any given situation, which unfortunately includes exposing you on a daily-basis "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:31 PM:

" real facts: Here's some truth for you. Some people in your life will not tell you the truth. It may be because they don't want to hurt your feelings, they are too nice or they just don't care enough about you to deal with you. They keep their distance, humor you when they have to and move on. Sound like your life? You seem like such a miserable person. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:28 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:20 PM:

" real facts: Yes, you do stand alone").

i most ways, you are right. the silence of anyone telling the truth in here is apalling. but it's a fair barometer of life. most everyone these days could caree less about Gods truths.

your the one that swims in the wide river, not me. NO THANKS

i am good with that lodian. if i am all alone with the truth at the end of the day, i know that gurantee's me Gods favor. i don't need any qualification or acceptance beyond that.

thats-YOUR-illness "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:25 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:20 PM:
"...i have perfect harmony with everyone in and around my life."

So you keep telling us as often as you can. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself? Or maybe you "need" to have others here respect you in the worst way. If that were not true you would not keep telling us how perfect your life is and how everyone in town just loves you. I don't think even you believe it.


"

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:24 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:17 PM:

" real facts 11:09pm: Speaking of being "manufactured"... that is what you are all about. You're not fooling anyone. Did you really think you had? Everyone now knows you and Brian are one in the same, so why deny it any longer").

your a desperate little fruitcake, who wishes other people into your personal hell. NO THANKS. everytime i have dealt with you, and i bust you on something, you lose your mind and pull this garbage. happens every time.

no lodian, now EVERYONE knows your a liar.....especially because you know-leonard-knows-i-am-not-brian.....lol "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:20 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:15 PM:
" real facts: I was speaking of the "respect" of others in real life. You know, the people in your life that know you personally. Nevermind, you wouldn't understand").

you know whats a sad running commentary on your life, is that these blogs (and especially you) is the ONLY place in my life thats contentious. thats because of YOUR behavior, while claiming your a Christian....i-have-to-counter-that

everywhere else in my life, i have perfect harmony with everyone in and around my life.

see, i am right about you. i wish i weren't "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:20 PM:

" real facts: Yes, you do stand alone. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:17 PM:

" real facts 11:09pm: Speaking of being "manufactured"... that is what you are all about. You're not fooling anyone. Did you really think you had? Everyone now knows you and Brian are one in the same, so why deny it any longer? "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:16 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:08 PM:
I disagree. You have been discredited here a long time ago and by many").

of course you do, it's been a dream of yours for months now.

but you have confused yourself with the amounts of people that "don't like me", with that meaning i am a discredited individual in here. sorry, but thats not how life works. "truth" isn't built on the backs of "numbers", it stands alone. truth doesn't care how many people adjust to it, and actually counts on that "number" being very low. it is a fact of-life-that-while-maintaining-the-truth,,,,it-also-makes-me-the-"bad/guy"-in-many-circles....i-don't-mind-it....NO-ONE-can-ever-"discredit"-truth "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:15 PM:

" real facts: I was speaking of the "respect" of others in real life. You know, the people in your life that know you personally. Nevermind, you wouldn't understand. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:10 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:02 PM:
"i connect the "dots".....it's what i do."

Well, I'm glad they give you something to do in the psyche ward. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:09 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:48 PM:
There is a much better feeling, real facts. Knowing in your heart what is right and true and still having the respect of others while doing the right thing. Nothing sweeter!").

did you copy and paste that out of a hallmark card? because according to Gods definition of "right" and "true", you have failed misreably, and you have "manufactured" a false sense of right and wrong, and now you are attempting to sell it to others.

having the "respect" of anyone in here after what you do is no accomplishment according to-God....."they"-aren't-a-barometer-of-right-or-wrong-either...."they"-applaude-your-lying-without-conscience "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:08 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:02 PM: "do you realize all the charges you have leveled at me over these many months have FAILED to discredit me..."

I disagree. You have been discredited here a long time ago and by many. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:04 PM:

" real facts: Do you not have anything of meaning in your life? Is this all you have? "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:02 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:56 PM:

" real facts: Your 10:48 PM post was a new level of CrEePy....even for you").

do you realize all the charges you have leveled at me over these many months have FAILED to discredit me, so i can't paint you for who you truly are?

you will NEVER be able to lodian, tho your welcomed to keep trying.

i connect the "dots".....it's what i do.

did you call or e-mail sam? she needs your "wisdom" "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:58 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:53 PM:
"lodian; you and sam weren't hanging out by the pool together today, were you? just wondering"

Why, were you trying to stalk posters again?").

stalking? your such a loon.

i made the connection that you two were posting around the same time, high fiving each other, while you were BOTH at the pool, an interesting coincidence.

maybe you don't know each other. but i don't miss a beat, and i am ever connecting the dots so as to demonstrate the truth of what really goes on in here, given your-penchance-for-lying-without-conscience "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:56 PM:

" real facts: Your 10:48 PM post was a new level of CrEePy....even for you. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:54 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:59 PM:
" Thanks, sam, I appreciate you making the correction on my behalf. Character and integrity rise again!!!!").

they sure do (rather, the lack thereof).

lodian's "character" and "integrity" .....lying for months about me being brian, even though she knows it's a lie and doesn't care. character and integrity? what a joke.

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:53 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:48 PM:
"lodian; you and sam weren't hanging out by the pool together today, were you? just wondering"

Why, were you trying to stalk posters again?
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:51 PM:

" real facts: I've never met sam, but I bet I am correct in saying that she knows all too well to whom she is accountable. And it certainly is not me. Oh, and it's not you either dude. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:48 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:42 PM:
"...being-all-alone-with-the-truth-is-the-most-fantastic-place-in-the-world-to-be..."

And you are all alone, aren't you real facts?

There is a much better feeling, real facts. Knowing in your heart what is right and true and still having the respect of others while doing the right thing. Nothing sweeter!

"

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:48 PM:

" lodian; you and sam weren't hanging out by the pool together today, were you?

just wondering "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:46 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:36 PM:

Where's Brian?").

your the poster child for lunacy. but your experience will come in handy.

after just busting sam in her lie (because like you, she couldn't keep her story straight), sam is going to need your consolation. right now she is reeling on what to say and do. it is now your job to console her by telling her everything will be all right. she needs to be reassured that lying IS acceptable, and that NO ONE will hold her accountable for doing it....the same way no one does with you....now-go-and-console-her "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:42 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:36 PM:
" real facts: No one believes a word you say here. No one respects a word you say here. And no one else cares about your issues with me. I know you desperately want someone here to care, but you have proven to be unworthy of any respect or trust and all know you never speak the truth. So, it's time for you to concede... Game over dude").

your the one begging in desperation for people to love and accept you, and they do despite your heinous behavior.

me? i could care less-about-what-happens-after-i-tell-the-truth....being-all-alone-with-the-truth-is-the-most-fantastic-place-in-the-world-to-be....(if-it-came-to-that) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Poor real facts doesn't like his own words repeated to him. Too bad. Deal with it. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:38 PM:

" So, tell us about your "vacation", real facts. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:37 PM:

" ("lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:29 PM:
So, in your own words, you admit that you think lying is okay in your book. Shame on you").

figures your sickness would include twisting my words in an attempt to use them against me.

unlike you have for months on end without conscience, i don't lie, and have for months spoken out against it as what it is.....sin before God. it's "you people" that do it without conscience, while claiming your a "Christian".

you have no conscience about it. despite countless infractions by you, you have NEVER repented from a single-one "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:36 PM:

" real facts: No one believes a word you say here. No one respects a word you say here. And no one else cares about your issues with me. I know you desperately want someone here to care, but you have proven to be unworthy of any respect or trust and all know you never speak the truth. So, it's time for you to concede... Game over dude.

Where's Brian?

"

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:33 PM:

" sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:12 PM:

" F, I never said a "family friend." I said a family member").

can't keep your story straight sam. people who lie willfully usually don't. eventually they can't remember what they said (but i do).

back when you first lied about knowing the identity of "real_facts", you said she was a "long time friend of the family".......now she is a "family member"?

you just magnified your whole lying masquerade for all to see with that one.

you-should-have-stayed-silent....now-EVERYONE-knows-you-purposefully-lied.

don't worry sam, you have lodian. you two can high five each other over your flushed integrity's "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:29 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:23 PM:
"lying IS acceptable behavior."

So, in your own words, you admit that you think lying is okay in your book. Shame on you. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:23 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:13 PM:

" real facts: Isn't it about time for you to be Brian again? ").

see sam, without any conscience, and on an un-abated ongoing basis, and you still send her warm and fuzzy's.

you guys are amazing to watch and study. no conscience whatsover about right and wrong. sin? what sin?

lying without conscience is part of doing business according to way you people think. lying IS acceptable behavior. it's a tool that you people untilize to solidify your point when all else fails.

its' pathetic to watch, and you have allowed-yourself-to-be-caught-up-in-it "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:15 PM:

" sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:04 PM:

" I gave you the truth. Turning your back on the truth is your choice").

like i said sam, you have now dug yourself a hole. so deep i am afraid that if you keep maintaining your lie in order to protect lodian, you will lose any integrity you might have in here.

on second thought, the history of what goes on in here tells the opposite will happen to you. you can lie without conscience about anything you want, and "they" will still support you.

i will prove you will be able to,....-on-my-next-post.... "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:12 PM:

" F, I never said a "family friend." I said a family member.

Again, I gave you the truth. Turning your back on the truth is your choice. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:10 PM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:22 PM:
RF, I have 7 macs and 2 pcs in my house. All family members log on to any computer they want").

whats funny, is this little tid-bit of info is just now coming to the surface after all this time. some family friend logs all those blogs without your knowledge supposedly on your computer, and only long after "real_facts" becomes extinct, you "discover" it was "her".

the gig was up when lodian copped to it. if you want to continue to flush your integrity over lodian, all because-of-me,....thats your deluded choice "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:04 PM:

" I gave you the truth. Turning your back on the truth is your choice.

"

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 10:00 PM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:26 PM:
Again I will ask you to leave me and real_facts out of your war. You have a nice day").

i will.....just as soon as i get done addressing the things you claim in here. you came out of the woodwork to address your side of it, and i will continue to counter it until my point is made that you lied about it to cover for lodian.

how you think you can get away with this masquerade is beyond me, AFTER lodian had already copped to it, and was caught red-handed posting as "real_facts"....while-lodian....the-gig-is-already-up-sam "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 9:54 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:40 PM:
" sam: Just wanted to add, in response to your comments on the disintegration of this blog, that this blog started to indeed “disintegrate” when real facts started personally attacking others, again").

your lying again. read the blog from the bottom up. i didn't start anything in here, until someone else did first, then your nastines appeared, for which i had to take out your on going trash.

your such a liar, and anybody that supports you does so because they aren't interested in truth, just "people" and agenda "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 9:47 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:06 PM:
" You see, real facts. One can make a mistake and with character and integrity admit that mistake and rectify with class and respect. Learn from others").

you have got to be kidding me, right?

for a long time now, i have watched as you have lied literally more times than i can count in here. even after you were busted in your lies, you STILL soldiered on with them, without ANY conscience about it.

even your latest about me being brian, and you admitting you were going to lie on purpose.

your one deluded person.....yikes "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 9:47 PM:

" man lodian, you are shameless in kissing up to people in order to do your damage repair. what you won't say or do in order to maintain your multiple personality DIS-order.

a pretty pathetic display of insecurity "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:13 PM:

" I love this statement...

"I gave you the truth. Turning your back on the truth is your choice." "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:07 PM:

" I'm speaking of this post, sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:53 PM, when I speak of character.

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:06 PM:

" You see, real facts. One can make a mistake and with character and integrity admit that mistake and rectify with class and respect. Learn from others. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:04 PM:

"
That's "splashing" not "slashing"... yikes! ;-) We're wild around here, but not that wild! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:02 PM:

"
Oops! LOL!!!! That should have said "splashing". :-) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 1:01 PM:

"
sam: Yes indeed! LOL! I will stand strong against BaRF! (good one)

Someone has to clean it up. ;-) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Thanks, sam, I appreciate you making the correction on my behalf. Character and integrity rise again!!!! Yes, I'm outside too! Lovin' it! The kids are slashing a lot though so I'm getting worried about the computer. I guess I'd better join them now. Have a great day! :-) LOOOOOOVE SUMMER! (although I burn too darn easy out here..lol) "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:43 PM:" Some gawk and walk away. I stop and help."

Lodian, does that make you a "soldier against BaRF"?

Sorry I could not resist. Take care. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:53 PM:

"
That should have said, "Some stop and help".

"

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Lodian, I just reread this blog and I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. Now go out and enjoy the sun.. unless you are like me using a laptop by the pool..
Jeez, it feels like 90 already. Here's to the first sunburn of the season. Take care. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:43 PM:

" Some gawk and walk away. I stop and help. (thanks again, girard!) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:42 PM:

" That includes Brian too. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:40 PM:

" sam: Just wanted to add, in response to your comments on the disintegration of this blog, that this blog started to indeed “disintegrate” when real facts started personally attacking others, again. Start to read from his first post on Apr 9, 2008 9:35 AM. This blog didn't even get started as any kind of "spirited" blog before real facts started attacking. I will engage when others are attacked, even if real facts is not attacking me personally. I don’t allow bullies to attack others, or me. I will not stand by and just watch even if I don’t know the victim personally. "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:26 PM:

" I gave you the truth. Turning your back on the truth is your choice.

Again I will ask you to leave me and real_facts out of your war. You have a nice day.


"

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:22 PM:

" rf said "so now "real_facts" happened to sneak onto your computer, and post as "real_facts" unbeknownst to you? then you find out later it's "her"? "

RF, I have 7 macs and 2 pcs in my house. All family members log on to any computer they want.

With a graduate degree in computers, you are the one embarassing yourself. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:13 PM:

" real facts: Isn't it about time for you to be Brian again? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:11 PM:

" real facts: Figure it out. sam could care less about me personally so why would she care to lie on my behalf? As she has said, she doesn't know me and doesn't even like that I speak of her to you. Obviously she is telling you the truth about her friend real_facts. Why does this matter to you so much? Is this some ego issue with you? You just get your jollies stirring up things like this I guess. Whatever, real facts/Brian. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 13, 2008 12:05 PM:

" sam: Sorry about that, but you and your friend (real_facts) are too connected to these attacks on me by real facts. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:58 AM:

" sam; i HAVE known the truth of this matter, the day lodian copped to it. even before she did, i knew it was her, as i ALWAYS seem to know when people are trying to pull something over on someone else. just like you are today. if i were you, i would quit trying. your digging yourself a bigger hole.

unlike the "others", there is something about you i do like. i can see the good side of you but unfortuntely, you fade in and out of two different characters. choose the truth of life-sam.....and-be-ONE...."person" "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:52 AM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:27 AM:
" RF, real_facts is a young, family member who I have known all of her life. She originated the blog identity on one of my computers. All the blogs are in the cache of my one computer (not cut and paste, but the real posts).

so now "real_facts" happened to sneak onto your computer, and post as "real_facts" unbeknownst to you? then you find out later it's "her"?

this is getting more bizarre by the minute. if that were true, you would have said that long ago.

anyone with a smidgen of computer-knowledge-knows-you-can-"transfer"-that-info-anyway-onto-your-computer,-and-"pretend"-it's-been-put-there-by-someone-else....your-embarrassing-yourself-sam "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:51 AM:

" rf, you can accept the truth or turn your back on it. It is your choice.

You have a wonderful Sunday. "

Giovanina wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:49 AM:

" As for the amendments, most are clarified in the Federalist Papers, which most don't bother to read, or if you are a liberal, tend not to mention. This is why the Democrats are so strange these days, as they are supposed to be hard pressed for individual rights, which are stated in the Federalist Papers verly clearly for Amendment 2, but since they are Socialists who don't want the people to have guns, they will ignore those letters. "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:44 AM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:28 AM:
" It crushed her when what she thought as "loving" biblical quotes of love were met with cruel hateful comments").

what lodian "thought" she was going to get away with, was masquerading as another persona, by quoting bible verses. UNFORTUNATELY.... i HAD TO bust her, because she is a phony, so that no one else can get the idea you can act like lodian, and call yourself a follower of Christ. that was a huge - but necessary mess. i don't like that aspect of life, but it is imperative-to-the-protecting-of-the-truth "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:36 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:04 AM:
" I most certainly did not run off, your question lacked merit... ").

what a joke robb. people wonder why i get so downtown with people like you.
it's because "people like you" are only making comments like you did, because they are game players, looking to cause trouble. i just demonstrated your one such person.

my "question" to you was packed with "merit". that question challenged your feighned knowledge, and lack of integrity, and you couldn't handle it, so you skated away without answering it.

answer the question robb about matthew-chapter-seven....does-that-chapter-deal-with-righteous-judgement??? "

real facts wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:29 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 11:13 PM:
" real facts: Have you completed your move? "

lodian, do you have some deep seeded issues wereby you have to hear yourself talk to yourself from time to time? because that would be the only reason you occasionally post things that make absolutely no sense. it's been happening with more frequency lately.

looks like you are not as "popular" today as you were yesterday.

finally, someone called you out on your heinous behavior.

----> H5 "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:28 AM:

" It crushed her when what she thought as "loving" biblical quotes of love were met with cruel hateful comments. She is gone, off the blogs. She is not mean spirited. She found all the hate being spued on the blogs to be cruel and a disappointment to her Christian beliefs.

Again, I ask you both to please leave me and her , real_facts, out of you war. Again I thank you both in advance. Have a beautiful Sunday. "

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:27 AM:

" RF, real_facts is a young, family member who I have known all of her life. She originated the blog identity on one of my computers. All the blogs are in the cache of my one computer (not cut and paste, but the real posts).

"

sam wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:14 AM:

" Real Facts, I have on other blogs asked Lodian to leave me out of her blogs against you.
I personally find it sad that on a spirited, fun blog she shows up "baiting" you, and the blog is disintegrates.

She has told me that it is her right to say what she wants.

That being said, right here, right now I ask again that you both keep me out of your personal attacks. Thank you both in advance.

Enjoy your Sunday.

"

Robb wrote on Apr 13, 2008 7:04 AM:

" I most certainly did not run off, your question lacked merit... "

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 11:13 PM:

" real facts: Have you completed your move? "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:56 PM:

" ("sam wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:34 PM:
If you want the truth I told you to email me at lodisam@gmail.com and I will send you the truth").

if you WANTED to really tell the truth, you can do that right here by providing any kind of "proof" you can send me via e-mail.

let's see you do it publically, that way you have no access to my personal info.

i have no reason to trust you, as your prior moves towards me have been from an angle of intended harm
"

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:49 PM:

" sam con't; now as to your "proof" on your computer....not hardly. you used to maintain you KNEW "real_facts" personally, and you have known "her" all your life. now you have the proof on your computer?

i told you, you are not getting access to my-info, and that especially after you threatened me in the other blogs about getting your tech savy brothers to find info on me so you can publically expose my indentity, and you want me to correspond with you? i told you, i am much too smart for that.

i still maintain you are lying-about-lodian-not-being-"real_facts".....remember-sam,...lodian-copped-to-being-"real_facts"-to-girard,....and-spoke-as-"real_facts"-while-lodian....game-over "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:39 PM:

" sam; this is one of the reasons i have to contend with you people pretty much day in and day out. you CANNOT tell the truth of what goes on in here, so i HAVE TO take it to this level. you blame me for the trash lodian spills in here, and say nothing to her. if you WERE a person of integrity, you would have noted that lodian started this, by mentioning YOU first. i didn't. i merely told the truth as per what happened with you. con't----> "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:33 PM:

" lodian; you will NEVER catch me swimming in the same river as you, so any "high fivers" on your side of the fence you can keep. no thanks.

unlike you, i don't run for popularity man of the year in here, and giving the way this world is going, and the scarcity of people in here who actually care about truth over anything, i would go it all alone in this life....THATS how much i care about truth, and could care less whether or not ANYONE likes me.

thats what you suffer from, not me. (giving your penchant for-kissing-up-to-people-in-here-via-your-"innocent"-act) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:54 PM:

" I had the same idea today, sam. Being outside today was great! It was a beautiful day! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Brian/real facts: Don't blame me because no one here will support your insanity. All can make up their own minds about you, and they do. They don't need, nor want, any convincing from me in making up their own mind about you. And that's the way it should be. People here are completely capable, and have the intelligence, to come to their own conclusions about you without a problem. You make it very easy to see right through you. Post on... you only continue to prove what we all know of you already. "

sam wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:50 PM:

" and real facts, that last blog was NOT meant as a personal attack towards you.

I am going back outside to swim and light the BBQ. It is a glorious day and I hope you too find time to enjoy this taste of early summer. I love it. "

sam wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:34 PM:

" real facts, I told you I DO know who real_facts is. I know real_facts is not Lodian. I have the proof on my computer. I offered to show it to , but you are not interested.

If you want the truth I told you to email me at lodisam@gmail.com and I will send you the truth.

The ball is in your court. Please, leave me out of your fights with Lodian. Once again I have no clue who Lodian is. "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:20 PM:

" brian: your dennis prager spirituality thing wouldn't work on my browser. do you have another way i can access it?

one thing i want you to observe brian (but probably already do), is watch how NO ONE will take lodian to task for her current lie. in fact, "they" will still support her and look the other way, high fiving her FOR lying to you, me and the board. it's a collective demonstration of the level of non-integrity by these people in here, not just lodian's lying failure.

lying IS acceptable (and necessary). to them anyway. pathetic "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:11 PM:

" brian; voter comes in the religion blogs to cause trouble, as does alot of these people. so taking voter to task on anything they say pertaining to these issues is easily done. voter fits into the "dime a dozen" category concerning people who could care less about the truths of life, all "they" are interested in is dispensing false info in order to cut the truth off at the knee's. talking about things they know nothing about, while pretending they do.

speaking off hit and run artists, robb chickened out of qualifying his OWN statements.....it's-a-cakewalk-proving-those-people-are-full-of-hot-air....they-ALWAYS-run-away-when-backed-into-a-corner....high-five...(lol) "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:03 PM:

" ("Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:38 AM:
" RF, I enjoy your posts. Whenever I read your posts I learn something. God Bless You:)
Incidently, are you a listener of the Dennis Prager Show? Check out pragerradio.com and listen to some of his past radio clips. He is not only insightful, but witty too").

thanks brian.

unfortunately, i am not that interested in either talk radio, TV news or the political aspects of life like you are. i know "enough" to keep my head above water, but it doesn't really interest me. maybe i will give it a try-as-per-your-suggestion...thanks "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 4:56 PM:

" lodian; the evidence is this...

i asked you to ask leonard if i am "brian", you straight up made excuses and chickened out. a person of true integrity would have been all over that one. you even lied about why you refused to do it, because you are now caught between a rock and a hard place about lying about your brian/real facts fiasco.....you-even-admitted-you-would-purposefully-continue-to-lie-about-it-until-i-relented....what-a-fruitcake

the other proof, is that while leonard has read my posts challenging you to ask him, he is DEAD SILENT. leonard can't stand me, and would jump all over anything to discredit me.....his "silence" speaks volumnes....as-usual,--your-caught-dead-in-your-lie....and-leonard-is-an-accessory-to-your-crime "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 4:49 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:41 AM:
" Brian/real facts: It’s time for you to integrate those personalities. Your handle issues are old and no one else cares. Anything you say here is lessened due to what you have shown in your character and lack of integrity").

your attempt at personal "PR" integrity replacement surgery has long since been flushed down the drain.

lodian, your the ONLY ONE in here that has multiple lying personality DIS-order, as proven by me over and over. your attempt to liken me to you, demonstrates your lunacy, and your wishful projection of YOUR evil onto-others.....it's-not-going-to-happen.....your-the-only-liar-in-here-about-not-being-someone-else "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 4:43 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:41 AM:
Sam, WY and myself have addressed your handle accusations with truth, yet you still call all of us liars. We agreed to meet you and you lied and bailed out").

sam lied about knowing "real_facts" in order to cover you and shut me up. WY is guilty "thinking" your innocent because you were nice to her. you, you continue to "address it" by lying about it.

i don't bail from ANY challenge. it became apparent that sam was manufacturing "proof", and i am too smart to hand over my identity-to-any-of-you-by-showing-up-anywhere-that-would-compromise-it "

Robb wrote on Apr 12, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Looks like the monkeys have spoken!!!

High 5!!! "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:54 AM:

" I do have more important things on my mind thtn to deal with your childish
ventures. Have a nice day:) "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Uh, oh! He's going to change into real facts now. Wait for it... "

I could advance the lie that you are someone else too and then admit to it as you did a few bloggs back. The problem is with you is you're still lying. The LNS can confirm that I'm not RF. But I'm sure You'll lie that they can't just to further the bloodletting. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Uh, oh! He's going to change into real facts now. Wait for it... "

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:50 AM:
"Are you that insecure that when you are met with a challenge you must marginalize the person you are at odds with to prop yourself up?"

No, Brian, that is your routine here. We all know it. You even end up cussing and posting vulgar comments. Real classy. You (and your alter, real facts) seem to really enjoy that sort of attack.


"

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:44 AM:

"
voter wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:14 AM:
"Brian, you have marginalized yourself this week by admitting that you deliberately lied. Everything you type is now suspect. Perhaps, rather than challenge you, the appropriate response would be to ignore you--the same tack that I have chosen to take with RF for several months now. So, I do apologize for questioning your POV. Type on, sir, your "integrity" has become something of a legend."

voter: Very well said!


"

Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Brian/real facts: It’s time for you to integrate those personalities. Your handle issues are old and no one else cares. Anything you say here is lessened due to what you have shown in your character and lack of integrity. Sam, WY and myself have addressed your handle accusations with truth, yet you still call all of us liars. We agreed to meet you and you lied and bailed out. Now you just look foolish. Maybe you need a new hobby or some friends. Now, Brian will cuss me out and real facts (his alter) will call me a liar. Your actions are predictable, boring and all too telling of your character. "

voter wrote on Apr 12, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Brian, you have marginalized yourself this week by admitting that you deliberately lied. Everything you type is now suspect. Perhaps, rather than challenge you, the appropriate response would be to ignore you--the same tack that I have chosen to take with RF for several months now. So, I do apologize for questioning your POV. Type on, sir, your "integrity" has become something of a legend. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Voter, I am concerned about those who choose atheism over religon. But I'm not going to lie awake at night worrying about it.
Perhaps you shouldn't lie awake at night worrying about how you can respond to my posts. You're embarrassing yourself with your kneejerk reactions. It seems to me you are intentionally taking my posts out of context just to start an argument.
Are you that insecure that when you are met with a challenge you must marginalize the person you are at odds with to prop yourself up? "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:33 AM:

" voter wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Brian, you seem concerned that the numbers of Atheists may be increasing and that gays have some influence. What do you think ought to be done about this in order to keep the world safe for guys like you? "

I never said gays have an influence on atheists.Read my posts again. Please do try to follow along. If you can't and you persist on taking my posts out of context perhaps you should move on so we can have a civil debate and not get off on a wild tangent. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Voter,What's with the attacks? I like Dennis Prager. I listen to him a lot. Perhaps you should do some research on atheism.
I have a point of view. I really grow tired of people like you smearing me.

If I were to claim that my grass is green in my front yard would you go on to say you need some facts to back it up?

It's seems reasonable to think that atheism is growing. Whether or not you agree or disagree, that's my POV. The article I posted sheds some light on this from another person's POV. Go Away. "

voter wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Brian, you seem concerned that the numbers of Atheists may be increasing and that gays have some influence. What do you think ought to be done about this in order to keep the world safe for guys like you? "

voter wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:04 AM:

" Regarding atheists, Brian writes, "I heard it somewhere and it seems reasonable to believe."

Yes, I think we already knew this. You believe whatever you hear, regardless of the facts, because it fits your prejudices. My guess is that this little McFact came from your new guru, Dennis Prager.

"

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:03 AM:

" http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/atheism_growing_stronger.html

This is a good article on atheism. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:59 AM:

" The latest stats in some report also show that there is a small percentage of Americans who are gay. But look at the influence they have on society. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:56 AM:

" nylodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:43 AM:

regarding your post

I heard it somewhere and it seems reasonable to believe.

It's not a stretch. Wheteher or not it's a low percentage, if the percentage is growing, that's the issue.

I do know the diference between deism and atheism. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:51 AM:

" http://dennisprager.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=413ba4e2-5c66-480d-abdd-71c5c19599bd

Real Facts, this is real good clip on spirituality. Let me know what you think. "

nylodian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:43 AM:

" Brian: re: " It's becoming ever more popular in certain intellectual circles (how intellectual they are is questionable)
that claiming to be an atheist is the best way to fit in."

Where are your stats for this claim? The latest Pew report in February said only less than 4% of Americans are atheist or agnostic. And since many agnostics DO believe in the existence of God they are not atheists by definition. I hope you didn't confuse Deism with atheism, since Deists also believe in God. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:42 AM:

" Oh ,now I did it. Lodian is now going to run with this that I just gave MYSELF a pat on the back.

I just can't help from furthering the embarrassment she is doing to herself.

I wonder if those cucumbers she puts on her eyes is affecting her brain. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:38 AM:

" RF, I enjoy your posts. Whenever I read your posts I learn something. God Bless You:)

Incidently, are you a listener of the Dennis Prager Show? Check out pragerradio.com and listen to some of his past radio clips. He is not only insightful, but witty too. "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:30 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 11:07 PM:
" Robb: real facts (aka Brian) is a lost cause. Very sad").

she is a loon brian. the woman even admitted in the other blog that she was going to PURPOSEFULLY lie about you and i being the same person, "until" i quit saying she was "lee" and "real_facts".....you-tell-lies-to-shut-someone-up?.....what-a-loon

she even admitted she was lying about it, and didn't care. that blog was going along fine until she busted out her brian/real facts lie, then i had to take out her trash, then the LNS deleted the whole debacle.

as much of a-liar-as-she-is-without-conscience,...people-still-support-her....-it's-disgusting "

real facts wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:24 AM:

" ("Robb wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:51 PM:
"FYI: Those specific passages completely prove my point!!").

really robb? then if they do, you will have no problem explaining how matthew 7 ....."proves your point". i would love nothing more than to debate the point with you. now let's see you qualify your statements, and prove you actually know what your talking about by explaining how it does.

i know you don't know what your talking about, and that your only (1) in a line of hit and run artists whose intent is to squelch Gods word in here.

well-robb????
"

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:23 AM:

" It's becoming ever more popular in certain intellectual circles (how intellectual they are is questionable)
that claiming to be an atheist is the best way to fit in. The sad truth is,
religiousity is no longer PC in these circles. What a lonely world they must live in. "

Brian wrote on Apr 12, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 11:07 PM:

" Robb: real facts (aka Brian) is a lost cause. Very sad.

H-5

Lodian, I see you're still getting your jollies calling me RF. I'm inclined to think that your IQ has a negative by it.
Perhaps you could bring yourself up to the level of the average human and stop acting like a amoeba. "

Robb wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:51 PM:

" FYI:

Those specific passages completely prove my point!!

H-5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Robb wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:45 PM:

" Interesting.... if that is what you like to believe.....!!!

Thanks for playing! "

real facts wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:04 PM:

" robb: read matthew chapter 7, verses 1 - 5 and get back to me (which you won't, because you are un-concerned about the real truth).

those verses in matthew 7 is the FULL context of "judging". read it "

real facts wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:59 PM:

" i love how people who trash Jesus Christ and Christians every chance they get, turn right around and quote scripture. scriptures out of context to boot. how pathetic is that? incredibly hypocritical, considering someone like robb constantly trashes Gods word as something irrelevent, and "of man".

make up your mind robb.

and for future consideration, don't attempt to use something against me, or anyone else, when you have NO IDEA what your talking about. had you done your homework instead of being lazy and purposefully ignorant/accusatory, you would then know Gods word ADVOCATES "judging"

you robb, "judge" every day-of-your-life "

Robb wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:40 PM:

" Luke 6:37 "

real facts wrote on Apr 11, 2008 5:17 PM:

" when it gets right down to it, it's each mans responsibility in life before the one true God, to honor him. some of the founding fathers "attempted" to do so, by weaving God into the government fabric, while others chose to exclude him. what we wound up with is an amalgamation of those personalities.

it will always be that way. do i wish this was a "Christian nation"? of course as a Christian, i do. but that is not realistic this side of eternity.

God blesses the nation(s) who "collectively" call him Lord. whether anyone else does has no-bearing-on-me.....it-is-on-me-as-to-whether-i-follow-him-or-not "

real facts wrote on Apr 11, 2008 5:09 PM:

" scout: i believe the real truth as to whether this country was founded on Christian principles is "somewhat" irrelevant, in that some of the founding fathers did sway that way, while others didn't.

according to the true God (not ill-aimed "deism"), God would obviously be in favor of founding ANY country upon his standards. God would NEVER be indifferent to mans wanderings in any arena of life, including the "governing" of mankind.

freedom of religion is guaranteed by God himself, because he created man with the free will to obey/disobey him should they choose. con't------> "

scout wrote on Apr 11, 2008 1:46 PM:

" A quote from Benjamin Franklin's autobiography: "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." "

scout wrote on Apr 11, 2008 1:30 PM:

" I thought most people knew that many of the United States founding father's were deists - namely Adams, Madison, Paine, Hamilton, and Allen. While others - Jefferson, Franklin, Harnett, Morris, and Williamson - were strongly influenced by deism philosophy. Thus, following the logic in this letter, should we therefore conclude that the United States was built on deism? And if we conclude that, what does that mean? Must people convert? Or can we still practice freedom of religion and allow Christians to worship in this country? I vote for the latter. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:59 PM:

" The problem as I see it is that while all point to the Constitution for validation of their individual point of view, very few truly understand its intent.

Aside from the 'religion' aspect in the First Amendment, the Second Amendment may soon be finally 'settled' as to the right of individuals to keep and bear arms.

Who would think that after well over 200 years the 27 words in the Second Amendment still needs to be adequately interpreted?

The First Amendment, with 16 words pertaining to religion, is still debated almost as if it was a brand new concept.

Who would have thought? I wonder why it's not so simple. "

Robb wrote on Apr 10, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Voter:
H-5 "

voter wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:17 PM:

" Time to all settle down and enjoy an nice bowl of


Pasta! "

parishioner wrote on Apr 10, 2008 12:46 PM:

" wow, this is getting really immature on all sides! "

real facts wrote on Apr 10, 2008 11:56 AM:

" lodian; i don't see you asking leonard if i am brian.

whats seems to be the hold up?

oh yeah i forgot.....pathological liars aren't interested in the truth, or repenting from their lying. lying IS thier identity.

i don't see anybody calling you out on your current lie, which indicates "they" support you IN your lying. the level of integrity on this board is stunning. it's no wonder "you people" don't like me, when i call you on it.

lodian not asking leonard proves who she really "isn't".

P.A.T.H.O.L.O.G.I.C.A.L. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:29 AM:

" H-5! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:28 AM:

" LOL @ real facts. What a nut. "

Robb wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:25 AM:

" you kids should not play so rough, somebody's gonna start crying... "

real facts wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:41 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:24 PM:
" Should I now call you real facts or Brian? Since you use both handles, maybe I should call you Brian Facts. LOL! Or maybe BRF. Yes, that's perfect... "BRF". It fits!").

even after i busted you for lying about me being "brian", by showing a post by leonard where leonard says he KNOWS brian off blog, and that i am not brian, you STILL lie about it. even after i asked you to ask leonard, which you chickened out of, you STILL lie.

your a pathetic excuse for a human being, who-"masquerades"-as-someone-"nice" "

real facts wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:18 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:21 PM:
You hate God and his children").

you say this, because you think you are a follower of Jesus Christ. but by biblical standards and descriptions, you are anything BUT a follower of Jesus Christ. your agenda is to dis-allow Gods authority over your life, and to send the message to others that they too can dis-allow Gods authority over their life. you constantly lie (as currently evidenced about me being "brian"), and one of the earmarks of a phony is lying without conscience.

i love God, because i uphold his-standards.....you-seek-to-destroy-them,...making-YOU-the-one-that-hates-God....(and-his-children) "

real facts wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:10 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:21 PM:
You constantly lie and you have no credible position").

"constantly" implies more than once, and YOU imply i lie often.

actually YOUR the liar, because you can't show where i ever lied. since you say i constantly lie, show MULTIPLE times where i did. the fact that you won't (and can't), demonstrates that YOUR the liar.

it also figures that you would call Gods word "UN-credible", seeing how my "positions" are based in Gods word. like i have always accused you, you are a phony "

Metric Time System wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:51 AM:

" There is a constant theme in the creation of our Country. It's chiseled into government buildings, it's imprinted onto its currency, it is included in the most important documents penned by our founding fathers; God. "

Robb wrote on Apr 10, 2008 6:42 AM:

" H-5 "

Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:53 PM:

" Billy! You beat me to it! Perfect... BaRF. LOL "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:47 PM:

" Brian and Real Facts.

BaRF "

Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:24 PM:

" Should I now call you real facts or Brian? Since you use both handles, maybe I should call you Brian Facts. LOL! Or maybe BRF. Yes, that's perfect... "BRF". It fits! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:21 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:42 AM:
"if you have to lie about something, that shows you have no position."

Yes, indeed. You constantly lie and you have no credible position. You've never been close to being credible. You're full of hatred and hot air. You hate God and his children. You even hate yourself. That is the most evident thing we have ever seen from you here on these blogs. "

Robb wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:03 PM:

" Yatta, Yatta... bla, bla, bla...

you guys are making me tired.. "

real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:01 PM:

" ("voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:02 PM:
Yes, Billy, but ONLY when coupled with RESPECT. Don't forget to respect the people you have enslaved and tortured. God smiles on respect for your victims").

gotta keep you on the hook, as far as you hitting and running in here talking about things you know NOTHING about. instead of parroting hate speech just because you hate Christ, how about you FOR ONCE demonstrate you know what you are talking about, by SHOWING biblical examples of your accusations.

what do you want to bet you can't voter? you talk a big-game.....now-prove-your-accusations....you-won't-because-your-lying-about-your-"position" "

real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:55 PM:

" voter: how pathetic is your life, that you would have to resort to twisting Gods word and it's historocity?

your not exactly the sharpest "tool" in the shed. what you fail to realise is that while you "think" you are bold in your statements against Christ and his word, someday YOU will stand before HIM to answer for your sewage.

who knows, given your current state, maybe you and billy will be "roomates" in eternity. a warm/fuzzy, eh voter?

billy is a lost cause. he is just a perverted evil dweeb.....bent-on-destruction. you need to change the color of your heart....from-"grey"....to-white "

real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:48 PM:

" ("Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 9, 2008 12:46 PM: " And, as Reverend Fakes has repeated here, slavery, (even selling his own daughter into slavery)"

as usual, your perversion attempts to spill over into other people's lives. just because your heart is black, doesn't mean you have to lie about everything in your life. evidently, your perversion is so deep, and your heart so black, that you cannot even control yourself any longer. poor billy.

take comfort billy. no matter how evil you get, the "others" in here still "love you".....despite the fact you desecrate their Lord....and-his-word......the-hypocrites-won't-say-a-thing-to-you-as-they-read-your-perverted-FILTH "

voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Billy Rubin says, "And, as Reverend Fakes has repeated here, slavery, (even selling his own daughter into slavery), animal sacrifice, torture, genocide, incest, murder - ALL of these things are godly and clean and wonderful because they're in the bible."

Yes, Billy, but ONLY when coupled with RESPECT. Don't forget to respect the people you have enslaved and tortured. God smiles on respect for your victims. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 9, 2008 12:46 PM:

" And, as Reverend Fakes has repeated here, slavery, (even selling his own daughter into slavery), animal sacrifice, torture, genocide, incest, murder - ALL of these things are godly and clean and wonderful because they're in the bible. He's also said often that laws must be changed here to align with those great things in the bible.

What a crackpot.

"

real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:42 AM:

" voter: i think i told you awhile back that you ought to stick to other blogs beside the religious blogs, as you purposefully talk about things you really have no idea about. you only embarrass yourself in here.

"slavery" .....IS supported in the bible, WHEN it is coupled with respect. when it is not, the bible condemns that aspect of slavery. you PURPOSEFULLY attempted to lie about field's intent, just because you hate Christ. if you have to lie about something, that shows you have no position.

the same thing goes with your lie about genocide.

regardless, you WILL stand before-God-someday-to-face-these-lies "

real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:35 AM:

" mr. fields should have added billy rubin to his "list" as to why atheists fight so much against something they don't believe in.

once again billy, history trumps your hatred. just because you love your sin, and are trying desperately to hold onto it conscience-wise, doesn't mean you can get away with excluding history.

mr. fields has it right. and you billy (as usual), are WAAAAAAAY off into wishful exclusion land.

as usual......HISTORY prevails again against you billy (dan) "

voter wrote on Apr 7, 2008 5:19 PM:

" Mr. Fields says that the U.S. is founded on Christian principles. Democracy is an invention of the ancient Greeks, who were pagans. Would Mr. Fields be referring to slavery, which is certainly supported in the Bible? How about genocide, another Bible favorite? "

parishioner wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:11 PM:

" Billy Rubin, this letter to the editor (nor I) says nothing about the U.S. being only a Christian nation, it simply says it was founded by Christian believers and there is evidence of that. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:55 PM:

" Yes, thank you, parishioner - except the secularists are generally not given to lie about, or simply invent "facts" to shore up their fabricated position.

When secularists claim the founding fathers intended for religious freedom, they mean it and they are right.

When the phony Christians claim the founders were Christians and intended for this to be a Christian nation, they are lying through their faces. The irony of the perpetually lying "Christian" behavior is rich. "

parishioner wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Billy Rubin- "ditto" what you said, applied to secularists. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:48 PM:

" There is, among modern "Christians", a psychosis which is so powerful they are driven to tell any lie in order to prop up their crumbling delusion that this is a Christian nation, founded by Christians for Christians.

They will stop at nothing to further their destruction of the Constitution and of the nation to form some sort of a demented "Christian" theocracy. "

voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:22 PM:

" Since when did the notion of a "creator" become unique to Christianity? All religious traditions that I am aware of have some reference to supernatural creation. I am not sure how you can make the leap from a vague mention of a higher power to the Bible. Poor argument, William.

As for the founding fathers' writings, I think that you are the one who has not done your research. "

parishioner wrote on Apr 5, 2008 1:29 PM:

" They say Protestants (Christians) founded the U.S., here is the link to the article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23970574/

I just wonder if they realize what they said. ;) "

parishioner wrote on Apr 5, 2008 1:27 PM:

" In an article I read on msnbc.com, the AP seems to agree with you Mr. Fields... check out this quote: "In a nation founded by Protestants, Catholics comprise nearly one-quarter of the population." "

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