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History shows founding fathers were Christian

Updated: Saturday, April 5, 2008 6:08 AM PDT

In response to the Matthews and Assen letters of March 20:

If there is one thing we learn from history, it's we don't learn anything from history.

Mr. Assen and Mr. Matthews attack and argue from an atheistic world view as demonstrated by their use of "revisionist history," which crumbles in the light of truth.

We know our nation was founded in Christian principle by Christians because history witnessed and recorded it so, and not just on paper, but also in stone.

We only need to visit Washington, D.C., and the capitals of our individual states to see God's Decalogue given through Moses engraved on the granite and marble friezes on our government buildings.

All we must do is read the documents and personal papers of our founding fathers and look at our states' charters and constitutions to see the authors had a biblical world view and a reliance on and accountability to God.

The words of both our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, contrary to statements by Matthews and Assen, speak to our Creator — "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights ... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that the representation of the United States of America in general Congress assembled appealing to the Supreme Judge of the Word for the rectitude of our intentions," etc.; and for the support of this declaration with a firm reliance on the protector of divine providence."

Even our U.S. Constitution preamble alludes to God with the statement "blessings of liberty." The word "blessing" is defined as a statement of divine favor or benediction.

My questions to Matthews and Assen are — Have you guys actually read the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution? And if you guys don't believe there is a Creator, why do you try so hard to deny, denigrate and decry the "big spoke in the sky" that you don't believe in anyway.

William Van Amber Fields
Morada

Reader Feedback

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 3:19 PM:

" I knew you would know that one. That was too easy. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 19, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Of course I do!

I always choke up at the part when, in their concern, the entire stadium rises as one and asks if he can see. That's real humanity for ya.

I'm getting teary just thinking about it. "

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 12:35 PM:

" Billy do you know the words to Jose Can You See? "

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Sam I didn't know about the poem although I'm not surprised. As I told Billie the words I learned from a folk song probably from a group from the East Coast. "

OTH wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Billy Rubin the verse I quoted was from a folk song in the sixties.

Lizzie Borden took an axe
and gave her father forty whacks

And when the job was nicely done
She gave her mother forty one.

Then it goes to the jump like a fish verse.


"

sam wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:34 AM:

" Billy and Oth, I meant wierd nursery ryhme, not "comment".
Actually what was fun in finding your ryhme, was actually finding the strange origins of a lot of our childhood ryhmes.. too funny. "

sam wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Ok Billy and OTH, how did such a wierd comment get into your childhood? I should not talk, as "Ring Around The Rosy" was one of my favorites when I was 4.

The words to the Ring around the rosy children's ring game have their origin in English history . The historical period dates back to the Great Plague of London in 1665 (bubonic plague) or even before when the first outbreak of the Plague hit England in the 1300's. The symptoms of the plague included a rosy red rash in the shape of a ring on the skin (Ring around the rosy). Pockets and pouches were filled with sweet smelling herbs ( or posies) which were carried due to the belief that the disease was transmitted by bad smells. The term "Ashes Ashes" refers to the cremation of the dead bodies!

"

sam wrote on Apr 19, 2008 8:18 AM:

" WOW, Billy, you and OH threw me off. I had NEVER heard that verse.. here is the part you guys are quoting.. A poem about Lizzie Borden?...
CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS….
SHUT THE DOOR, AND LOCK AND LATCH IT, HERE COMES LIZZIE WITH A BRAND NEW HACHET.

CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS…
JUMP LIKE A FISH, JUMP LIKE A PORPOISE, ALL JOIN HANDS IN HABEAS CORPUS.

CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS…
CROSS YOUR FINGERS, KNOCK ON WOOD, LOCAL GIRL IS LOOKIN’ GOOD

CAN’T CHOP YOUR FATHER UP IN MASSACHUSETTS
MASSACHUSETTS IS A FAR CRY FROM NEW YORORORORORK! "

real facts wrote on Apr 19, 2008 7:28 AM:

" billy: your still mad at me from our little "talk" the other night?

i understand.

i guess i didn't factor in all those emotions you would have to deal with, once i "reminded" you of your frailties. alas billy, it is STILL your resposibility to make right choices in life. you can't blame me for what you do.

swimming in the river (like a fish) of tude all your life will only make you miserable. being slow (like a tortoise) to take responsibility for it, will only make you and i better "friends".

did you get a.....cat-yet??? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 18, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Now that I've sat here thinking about it, I think it's "Run like a fish, jump like a TORTOISE..."

Isn't it funny how those memories lie dormant, but sometimes you can prod them back to the front?

I wonder if reverend Fruit Cake remembers what it was like to be a human being? "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:41 PM:

" I always thought it was, "RUN like a fish, jump like a porpoise..."

No?

You mean all this time I've been singing it wrong?

Next you'll probably tell me that beautiful hymn isn't "Amazing Grapes". "

OTH wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:30 PM:

"

Jump like a fish

Jump like a porpoise

All join hands

In a habeas corpus!


SHAZBAT! "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 18, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Validation as what? A tract star for running away from everyone so fast.

Yeah.

Reverend Fruit Cake, the track star.

Perhaps on your next lap you can address your bible's stance on child slavery - which you stated here was a good thing. "

real facts wrote on Apr 18, 2008 1:42 PM:

" sam STILL blogging in the mormon blog...and STILL not answering my question straight up.

validation for meeeeeeeeeeee.

wooooohoooo "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:29 PM:

" That's just weird. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:29 PM:

" nite lodian.

you have some homework before tomorrow.

go to sams and sit on the couch and "pretend" your not real_facts. maybe by the pool, i dunno.

and help billy get out of his funk. offer to get him a cat until he figures all of this out "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:28 PM:

" i am always looking for your fruitcake to implode?

Uh, okay. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 PM:

" bravery?

LOL "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 PM:

" real facts wrote:
'i am the "flyswatter"'

And those things are nasty. Most people tuck them way back in the cupboard and hate to touch them.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:26 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:21 PM:

" If Billy wants a daughter of his own then he will be a DAD someday").

if he repents and does it the way he is designed to, then yes

if he doesn't, he will have to buy one, or be given one.

because two men can't father children

have the "talk" with him "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 PM:

" More sexual innuendo? You are very frustrated. Wifey deflated? "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:23 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:18 PM:

" Stay on your toes vision dude").

i always am. i am always looking for your fruitcake to implode. it's a matter of time.

anything your thinking of in particular that makes you think of bravery....bring it.

remember....your the fly, and i am the "flyswatter" "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:21 PM:

" If Billy wants a daughter of his own then he will be a DAD someday. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:15 PM:

" ...actually, it only takes one man. "

dang. your the brightest bulb in the room.

i know what you mean. unfortunately billy insists there has to be TWO men in the equation....if you catch my drift

you have the answer now. i think i made billy cry, so he left. ask him back so you can help him "fix" his problem. but be careful. girard may get a little jealous "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:18 PM:

" Stay on your toes vision dude. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:16 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 PM:

" real facts = clueless").

laughing.

"clueless" about men can't father children with other men. good one lodian. your a loon.

i know you don't like me, but at least make sense so you don't embarrrass yourself. at least come after me with a viable attack. laughing.

what does raising kids have to do with fathering them? nothing.

billy wants a daughter of his own, thats why he is jealous of me.

can you fix that lodian?

didn't think so "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:15 PM:

" ...actually, it only takes one man. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:12 PM:

" Two men can father a child. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:11 PM:

" real facts wrote:
"i gotta go to bed. with my wife, who gave me a-daughter,...because-i-play-by-the-rules"

I think I just threw up a little bit. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:11 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:04 PM:
The addition of so much sexual content, used to try and demean another, is all too telling of the author.

That's not a compliment").

what a fruitcake. you "forgot" billy's reference to selling my daughter into sexual slavery

you embarrass yourself (with my help)

while i am sleeping, "counsel" billy on the wrong equipment angle.

he doesn't believe me. he thinks two men can father a child.

after being dropped off at the curb when he was a child, he must have been wandering around instead of in science class. or was it biology? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:10 PM:

" Adam and Steve have been known to raise awesome children. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 PM:

"
real facts = clueless "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:05 PM:

"
To real facts:

The addition of so much sexual content, used to try and demean another, is all too telling of the author.

That's not a compliment.

Are you running out of ways to attack others?

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:05 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Anyone can father a child, but it takes a real man to be a DAD. Also, one does not have to "father" a child in order to be his/her DAD. "

man thats true.

but you didn't address billy's "problem". he wants a daughter, but can't. at least in the real sense. round peg/square hole

here's lodian, being consistent high fiving sin by giving it a free pass

adam and eve.....NOT adam and steve

you two discuss your dysfunctional lives. i gotta go to bed. with my wife, who gave me a-daughter,...because-i-play-by-the-rules "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:04 PM:

"
The addition of so much sexual content, used to try and demean another, is all too telling of the author.

That's not a compliment.
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:00 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Yes, Reverend, of course, EVERYBODY knows gay men can't father a child.

Never happened and it never will, right?').

no silly billy....EVERYONE knows you can't father a child with another man.

(wrong "equipment")

i bet you give it your college best try though huh.

sick


"

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:58 PM:

" OK, Reverend.
As much as I love watching you twitch, I need my beauty sleep and you need to go father some children. Good thing you live in the age of Viagra or you'd have to resort to fantasizing about your teenage gay boy at the hamburger stand to get the job done.

Sweet dreams, fruit cake. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Anyone can father a child, but it takes a real man to be a DAD. Also, one does not have to "father" a child in order to be his/her DAD. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:56 PM:

" already addressed your lying version of slavery.

if "steve" is out on the town tonight cruising, is that my fault? don't take the failures of your life out on me.

tonight, your a waste of my time. i got better things to do with my life than to highlight yours.

tell you what....if tomorrow you want me to help you straighten out your twisted life, hit me up. i will be here for a short time tomorrow.

oh, and look into getting a cat. it's not a "duaghter", but it will have to suffice until you accept "design"

ciao "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Yes, Reverend, of course, EVERYBODY knows gay men can't father a child.

Never happened and it never will, right?

LOL.

You just get stupider with each post. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:49 PM:

" billy: it just hit me...

your a little peeved you can't father children, and i can.

no wonder you make the slavery-daughter jab.

i should be more understanding of you.

is it a medical condition, or is that adam and steve (instead of adam and eve) ...thing???

easy fix for you billy, it's geography and biology. square peg/round hole, doesn't work. goes against the design. peg goes in the front. now i don't mean to be gross, just trying to help your lineage dreams/confusion

if you aren't interested....don't blame me....i tried to help "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:45 PM:

" See?
Still with the hate.
I don't under stand.
You run and run and run away.

Why won't you address the real issue - which is that of the bible? "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:39 PM:

" billy; your a pathetic excuse for breathing air, you always have been (at least in here).

whoever dropped you off on the curb and drove away when you were a baby has ALOT to answer to someday.

in the meantime, you don't have to choose to be evil. it's a choice dan. whatever happened to you to create that God-hating chip on your shoulder, bears responsibility for sure....but is NOT ultimately responsible for YOUR choices. thats on you.

i do however like how people in here pick you over me. shows the quality of "integrity" in here.

perversion. it-causes-insanity...(obviously) "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:27 PM:

" Hey, Reverend Flakes-

Why are you so bent at me?

Selling your daughter into slavery is a good thing; it's biblical. And, as you always say, biblical = Good. God says it's good. God says it's OK to sell your daughter.

You've always said you live the perfect biblical life and you do everything the bible says. I didn't make this stuff up, no need to attack me, it's from YOUR book. Love it. Own it.

So, is she up for sale or what?
Or are you lying again. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:52 PM:

" i made my point tonight, by demonstrating sams sterling character, despite handing her multiple chances.

lodian doesn't need my help.
that woman has NO self control, and her lying character will show up in the rest of the future blogs.

i promise



"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:51 PM:

" OTH - I wrote what I did more for 'me' and others here who do contribute in a positive way. Interestingly enough I did have a conversation today with someone at the LNS who provided me with what may become a unique opportunity. Considering the position I find myself in ('retired' and at home much of the time), I believe I may soon be in a position to actually 'contribute' again.

However, as for the silliness instigated by certain people here, I just keep learning as I go along. The majority of bloggers are decent and provide much food for thought. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:47 PM:

" ok. it's obvious sam will not answer the question because she has no integrity.

the pressure of admitting she lied, and in-advertantly validating me, was too much for her. despite choosing between disappointing God, and making others still think she is a person of character, she chose her false pride, and her "position" before people in here whom she doesn't even know.

a pathetic display....especially when you factor in that when sam dies....NONE of these people will she stand before.....she WILL stand before the one with whom she made a choice against

lie all you want sam.....from-now-on...i-will-make-sure-you-own-it-when-you-and-i-"tangle"-next

maybe-your-"example"-will-send-the-message-not-to-lie-about-me.....probably-not---as-peoples-ego's-exceed-their-abilities "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:37 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

What? Lying again I see. You said you never miss a thing").

nope. unlike you, i don't have to lie.

i missed it. so maybe you can point me in the direction where you catalogued all those lies you say i tell.

you are the liar, because you can't bring any....."multiples" you claimed.

i know you won't because you can't, but i have to demonstrate your lying consistentcy, and then watch how everyone else still supports you, and calls me the bad guy.

a necessary "dance"

"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:08 PM:
"i made you a promise along time ago that i intend to keep....EVERYTIME you pull this garbage in here, i will make sure everyone knows your a liar, by consistently providing the proof."

Right back atcha! I'll be there. (except I will properly use the words "your" and "you're")

LOL!
"

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 PM:

" sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" RF, what I will NOT DO is lie to make you feel better about yourself. Sorry. I cannot do that.

Like I said, we gave you the truth. It is your choice to turn your back on the truth and continue with your lies.

When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking.
So, attack away with your lies. We know the truth.

Peace out. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

" i just read the mormon blog, and sam posted on it, which means she read this one, and DIDN'T answer the question.

someone who has nothing to hide, and actually DID have integrity, would have answered that question straight up a long time ago. instead she purposefully evaded it.

she did, because it is obvious she lied, and now is trying to slither away "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:20 PM:

"really? because i missed it."

What? Lying again I see. You said you never miss a thing. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:21 PM:

" sam still cannot answer the question straight up "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:20 PM:

" "(Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:48 PM:

It's been done many times").

really? because i missed it.

EVERYTIME i have asked, since i first started dealing with you to prove your accusations against me, you lied and refused, and made rediculous excuses.

i made you a promise along time ago that i intend to keep....EVERYTIME you pull this garbage in here, i will make sure everyone knows your a liar, by consistently providing the proof.

the proof that you cannot bring one lie forth, to verify your lying accusation.

the mormon blog demonstrates your heinous-ness. this blog demonstrates the "others" who they-are......because-they-support-your-lying.......and-purposefully-lie-themselves-without-conscience- "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:13 PM:

" whats funny, is watching "you people" line up to blame me for what goes on in here.

you people either attack me directly on a daily basis, or you indirectly talk ABOUT me.

you lie about me, and do the same exact things all the time that you accuse me of, then the innocent act comes, via blaming me for all this garbage and "acting" like none of you do anything wrong. what a joke, but one that plays directly into my hands.

i love watching OTH whine, knowing she has talked trash right and left about me, including cussing me out-twice....what-a-bunch-of-cry-babies

"

OTH wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:31 PM:

" girard74 now you know the LNS could give a rats ass. They love it. Everytime somebody clicks on this blog they make money. They could care less about threats, obscenity, whatever. They violate their own rules and expect everyone to have respect for them.

Well they can take it and put it where the sun don't shine.

Keep on keepin on! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:48 PM:

" real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:08 PM:
"i meant it lodian. lets see you bring forth your accusations of me lying..."

It's been done many times. You choose to ignore the truth. That's your choice. What you choose to believe is not in my control. Your lack of integrity is your fault. Own it.

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:09 PM:

" sam; tonights another opportunity to come clean.

where is it? answer the question... "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:08 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM:
bring it....(or stay clean on the other side of the board from now on)"

LMAO! ").

i meant it lodian. lets see you bring forth your accusations of me lying constantly that you made toward me last night.

you didn't because you can't. if you would, since you dream of silencing me, you would have.

you can't, because like billy, your only "defense" is to resort to lying about me. its' all you have left

it's all you have EVER had (just excatly like i claimed about you) "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM: Liar Facts sez:
"and this coming from a guy who said i sold my daughter into sexual slavery"

No, liar, I didn't say you SOLD her into slavery, I said since it is acceptable in the bible to do so, that you WOULD. Any other claim by you is just more lying").

your such a nasty evil dark hearted semblance of a man.

those where your EXACT words, and you said it. now your lying that you didn't.

your a continuing example of perversion rotting the human soul.

great accomplishment billy

H 5
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:11 PM:

" So, Reverend, while we're all gathered around here watching you twitch and twist, why don't you tell us all again about your adventure into the Sentinel office? You know, when you actually went there? You remember that time? When you walked in the door in "electronic form"???

not a problem billy. i own my words, and wouldn't dare run away from it, unlike sams latest denial.

what i said is couple of posts below.
read it, don't be lazy.

say billy, the "others" accuse me of lying "all the time".....can-you-provide-any-other-examples?......the-"others"-are-obviously-lying....maybe-you-can-manufacture-something
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 6:57 PM:

" Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:19 PM: Your lies are more ridiculous than ever, your hatred is sharper than ever").

poor billy.

you never have been able to bring anything to the table position-wise, in order to defend against Christianity and your CHOSEN perversion.

so because you never can, you always evntually resort to the "lies" and hatred" accusations....without-ever-providing-one-example

of the "busloads" in here that do that, you have always been the "bus driver".

somehow in your dark hearted mind, you think that is a compliment.

being a bottom feeder, ISN'T a compliment.

you will forever be known as that nasty evil person that-said-i-sold-my-daughter-into-sexual-slavery.....funny-how-people-think-i-am-the-"bad-guy",,,yet-NO-ONE-said-anything-to-you-about-that......stunning-displays-of-integrity-in-here-thanks-to-that-non-response "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:19 PM:

" Remember, Reverend, about a year and a half ago I told you you were the best Kristian Nut Job I could have hoped to show up here. I told you that Central Casting could not have come up with a better insane religious nut.

Still true.

Your lies are more ridiculous than ever, your hatred is sharper than ever and you're still dingy as a pet 'coon.

Life is good. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:11 PM:

" So, Reverend, while we're all gathered around here watching you twitch and twist, why don't you tell us all again about your adventure into the Sentinel office? You know, when you actually went there? You remember that time? When you walked in the door in "electronic form"???

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
What a fruit cake. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Oh, Reverend. Don't you know you will go to hell for lying just like for stealing? LOL

Liar Facts sez:
"and this coming from a guy who said i sold my daughter into sexual slavery"

No, liar, I didn't say you SOLD her into slavery, I said since it is acceptable in the bible to do so, that you WOULD. Any other claim by you is just more lying.

So, you see? You are STILL the biggest liar in San Joaquin County. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 2:08 PM:

"
"bring it....(or stay clean on the other side of the board from now on)"

LMAO! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 2:02 PM:

" im still waiting for you guys to put a spotlight on all the times i have lied like you claim. come on, pile it on.
i have big shoulders.

you failed in making the LNS deal a lie. girard lied saying i bear false witness. you people have ANYTHING on me?

bring it....(or stay clean on the other side of the board from now on).

sam....your up. where is your explanation? "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:52 PM:

"
"EMAD"... LOL! :-)

H5! "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:50 PM:

" girard (1:22 PM): Great post!

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:43 PM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM:

" As I had suspected last night even as I offered").

laughing.

i thought you said ...." 'One' has no idea who 'one' is messing around with"

i do girard, i do. i was laughing last night at your rediculous display of your ego, so you could impress your cheerleader.

here's a career tip girard.....if you don't like me, then zip it. that way you and i don't play on your merry-go-round.

pretty simple stuff. unless you can't control your ego "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:37 PM:

" billy, looks like your "savior" (girard) blew smoke again. he did it the last time, he will do it again. girard has an ego his mind can't cash.

either way, i gave you my word, i sent that e-mail that day just like i said.

"you people" can slither up and down the pole of lying all you want. what i said i did, i did. turn it into your sewer....you-have-to.....it's-what-you-have-become

what would be a nice display from you my little adversaries, is if for ONCE you could defend your position in life without having to resort to lying....i-would-actually-be-stunned "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 PM:

" and this coming from a guy who said i sold my daughter into sexual slavery.

hi billy. i was wondering if your perversion would get around to making an appearance.

being one of the "busloads", it isn't the same around here without you. your evil dark heart is a sight to behold.

where have you been? "modeling" "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM:

" As I had suspected last night even as I offered to locate this questionable e-mail attendance document (EMAD), by my own words I was precluded from finding anything of substance. If I were permitted through my 'source' and posted the information here, that would easily expose that source thereby creating an untenable situation. I was, however able to make my voice heard with regard to some of the activity that goes on here, including my own behavior. If the LNS sees fit to discipline me for my contributing to the degrading of the quality of their forum, then I will accept that decision without question.

However, what is crystal clear is that there is virtually no one here who accepts that 'attendance' of a physical meeting by way of an e-mail message is possible; on its face it is nothing more than silly. And it really doesn't matter, does it? If anyone wishes to accept it, that's their prerogative; although even half-brain dim-wits know better.

I offer my apology to any and all who have had to put up with this ridiculous nonsense that I have too often permitted myself to become a part of. I will endeavor to project more mature behavior from now on. (And I also apologize for the violation of the 100-word-limit.) "

Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 PM:

" Reverend Fakes wrote:

"hopefully mr. girard is not blowing smoke like he did the last time he threatened to go to the LNS, and didn't."

Let's see, would that be like when you lied and said you ACTUALLY WENT to the Sentinel? But in reality (REAL reality, not your perverted kind), all you did was send an email and then claimed you were "...THERE ELECTRONICALLY." Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Oh, Reverend Fakes, your lies are the biggest woppers in town. I'm so glad you share them publically like this. LOL LOL "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 11:07 AM:

" by "owning it"....i mean you will either own your words in here by coming clean on saying it, or you will own it until you do (regardless if this blog expires)

if you don't, i will be glad to make an example out of you, that NO ONE can pull this stuff on me and get away with it.

lying about innocuous in-consequential things doesn't concern me in the least. thats your integrity flush.

purposefully lying about me in here in order to discredit me and smear my name, there will be a price to pay for that.....everytime

"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:53 AM:

" answer the question....

how can you say "i have known her all of her life. she is a long time friend of the family"

then...."she is a family member"

you can't squeeze out of that one.


you said it, and now you are going to own it for integrity sake
"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:46 AM:

" sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" RF, what I will NOT DO is lie to make you feel better about yourself. Sorry. I cannot do that").

not asking you to lie.

i AM asking you to qualify your OWN statements. how you can make those exact statements, and then say you know who "real_facts".

people that have nothing to hide, that aren't trying to lie, and have a stitich of integrity wouldn't take 10 posts to answer that question.

you have because you know if you do, you are busted. it's the ONLY reason you won't.

accountability.....im good at it "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:44 AM:

" .. and when I say "WE" I mean myself and real_facts.
I can ONLY speak for the two of us.

Peace out ! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" just so it is front and center, in order to put the pressure on her, sam DID NOT answer my question straight up.

until she comes clean, this is not over.

someday someone will get the hint not to play me.

until then... "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:42 AM:

" RF, what I will NOT DO is lie to make you feel better about yourself. Sorry. I cannot do that.

Like I said, we gave you the truth. It is your choice to turn your back on the truth and continue with your lies.

When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking.
So, attack away with your lies. We know the truth.

Peace out.


"

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:38 AM:

" hopefully mr. girard is not blowing smoke like he did the last time he threatened to go to the LNS, and didn't.

do it girard, and then tell everybody i told the truth.

if you don't in here, and you wait this blog out, no problema....i will make sure you get taken to task for it down the road to INSURE you can't slander me either.

thats a promise "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 AM:

" sam wote "When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking."

Exactly the truth. Right on the money").

it would be, if i had lied about what you people have done. i haven't.

i am the only one that has been "right on the money"

my integrity is perfectly intact "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 10:31 AM:

" sam; i would love a "white flag" scenario in here, as i don't like doing this. but i have to, because my reputation is at stake now, and because you tried to sabotage it. i can't let it slide until you come clean on what you did. if i relent of that, you get away with what you attempted to do in the first place. the brevity of the situation doesn't lend itself to a "white flag", there is too much at stake.

why would i care if real_facts posted? if real_facts wasn't lodian, i would have-welcomed-her,...realizing-"her"-peacemaking-potential....i-only-oppose-"real_facts"-because-it-was/is-lodian....now-answer-my-question-straight-up-like-a-normal-person-with-integrity-would "

nylodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:48 AM:

" girard: one possible solution: don't take the bait and simply ignore the rants, insults, accusations and lies. IMHO :) "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:32 AM:

" sam wote "When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking."

Exactly the truth. Right on the money.
"

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Brian: I tried to post comments to this article/letter and you attacked me. So, rethink who is the problem. Please don't cuss me out again. "

Lodian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:29 AM:

" real facts/Brian: You are the problem here. "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Real Facts, I will throw up a white flag.

If you promise not to personally atttack me or real_facts, I will promise 2 things...

1) I promise never to personally attack you.

2) I promise real_facts will never blog again. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:29 AM:

" do it girard "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:27 AM:

" I am hopeful (but not convinced) that perhaps soon this prattle will be reduced to a low roar. I'm not proud of my participation in this and other rants; it's time for a practical solution to the problem. "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:23 AM:

" RF, I have to confess that I was getting very upset every time you lied about myself or real_facts. I felt you were attacking our integrity. I felt the need to defend us. But real_facts put it into perspective last night.

When you lie about us, it is YOUR integrity you are attacking.

So, attack away with your lies. We know the truth. I feel no need to defend your integrity. "

sam wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:01 AM:

" RF, everytime you call real_facts Lodian, you lie. Real_facts is not lodian. We do not know lodian.

I told you the truth. You want to hear it again? It is posted here. Read it again. I am finished feeding you and your drama.

It is your choice. Accept the truth, or turn your back to the truth and continue with your lie.

"

Brian wrote on Apr 17, 2008 6:32 AM:

" Looks like this blogg has turned into a slamfest. I tried to interject some comments about the letter by Fields.
But to no avail. RF,Lodian, and G74 are stuck in an endless loop of accusations and insults. Theis is not what the LNS intended.

Rage on you three. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:42 AM:

" bump time....

" so this doesn't get buried....

sam, your still on the hook about coming clean with what you said.

did you say ..."she is a long time friend of the family", followed by...."she is a family member"?

now what?

if you skate from it, i will hold you accountable to it later on down the road " "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:41 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 AM:

" 'One' has no clue who he/she has been messing with. Be very careful").

sure i do. seen alot of false bravado in my life. i can smell it from miles away.

i will take anything you think you can throw at me, and challenge you for some more.

tomorrow you will "feign" you couldn't find anything because you blow smoke. it's who you have become "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:38 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:34 AM:

" 'One' should also be aware that when I visit the LNS I intend to bring this and other blogs like it to the attention of someone who will do something about it").

your full of hot air.

you threatened this before with ZERO results.

proving you guys are the ones that cause the trouble is easy.

can i give you directions and fill your tank of gas tomorrow.

BRING IT !!!!! "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 AM:

" girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 AM:

" One (ANYONE) cannot be anywhere in e-mail form. That was a lie to cover a lie. In criminal law terms that has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

If one wants to continue this exercise, one should realize that it changes nothing concerning 'one's integrity, honesty, decency, courage, morals, humanity - these things as well have already been determined beyond ALL doubt").

girard, desperation has reduced you into a pathetic human being.

go to sleep and come back with your integrity "test" so i can prove who you are again tomorrow.



"

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:35 AM:

" 'One' has no clue who he/she has been messing with. Be very careful. "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:34 AM:

" 'One' should also be aware that when I visit the LNS I intend to bring this and other blogs like it to the attention of someone who will do something about it. There are those who are intimidated by the words and threats of weak-minded little dweebs; I'm not one of those people. Yet I will gladly assist them in doing all that I can do to eliminate this nuisance once and for all. The First Amendment notwithstanding, there is a limit to the nonsense that is 'posted' here and frankly I've had my fill. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:32 AM:

" girard: it wasn't a threat, it was a promise.

do what you want legally, i have nothing to say about it, and i am not afraid of anything you will find.
i welcome it.

but step over a legal line, and you will pay for it....in every way i can make you pay for it legally. that i promise.

before you twist my words, because your a sad man, know this....if you cross the line legally, you will pay for it legally.

girard, there isn't a person on this planet i fear...especially someome with an ego bigger than thier-words "

girard74 wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 AM:

" One (ANYONE) cannot be anywhere in e-mail form. That was a lie to cover a lie. In criminal law terms that has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

If one wants to continue this exercise, one should realize that it changes nothing concerning 'one's integrity, honesty, decency, courage, morals, humanity - these things as well have already been determined beyond ALL doubt. "

real facts wrote on Apr 17, 2008 1:25 AM:

" so this doesn't get buried....

sam, your still on the hook about coming clean with what you said.

did you say ..."she is