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A former Marine with misgivings about Bush and the bloodshed in Iraq
Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:31 AM PDT
As an opinion page columnist, I normally get a certain amount of satisfaction if a view I subscribe to turns out correctly.
But in the case of the Iraq War, I take cold comfort in having opposed the conflict since day one when President George Bush first announced his "shock and awe" campaign based on lies and manipulated intelligence.
The war is now five years old. More than 4,000 American men and women have been killed and tens of thousands of our allies and innocent Iraqi citizens are dead.
Unlike others — Hillary Clinton comes to mind — who conveniently pretend that their thinking about the wisdom of the Iraqi conflict has changed or that they were initially mislead, my position is down in black and white on these pages dating back to 2003.
In my first column about the war, I wrote these two sentences: "Bush has put his political future on the line" and "Bush's mission is iffy."
And in my most recent on Veteran's Day 2007, in reference to the suicide rate of 17 per 100,000 troops, I said: "The thought that a young man or woman could enlist and fight for his country in the Middle East, only to die at his own hand, is another ugly chapter in an increasingly senseless war."
Escaping thoughts of the endless war is impossible.
Last Sunday, during the White House Easter egg roll, I watched George and Laura, mother Barbara and daughter Jenna (who with her sister Barbara could have volunteered if indeed the Bush family thinks the war is such a patriotic venture) happily celebrating the most joyous day on the Christian calendar.
As the president frolicked with a 6-foot-tall Easter bunny, roadside bombs and rocket attacks killed four U.S. service men and 61 Iraqis.
The nation received the assurances of Vice-President Dick Cheney and press secretary Dana Perino, unpersuasively, that the president grieves for every lost soul.
How did our soldiers spend Easter? No green lawns for them to bask in the warm sunshine, no hand shaking with Dallas Cowboy great Troy Aikman and no platitudes from the Bush family.
But I'm sure they prayed hard to get home safely and rejoin their families.
In war, though, things don't always work out.
Earlier this week, I received an e-mail from Sgt. Peter Macdonald, U.S. Marine Corps, who served in Vietnam.
In his message's subject line, Macdonald wrote: "One Life; Bush Will Take It"
Here are excerpts; readers interested in the entire mail can contact me and I will forward it:
"I have but one life to give to my country, Bush will take it. Is this not the truth that our president has killed over 4,000 U.S. military to create a legacy for himself? Bush uses our U.S. military's lives as currency to buy his way into history. We the people elect these criminals and trust them with our country's future.
"I have violated no laws and I am not an angry person. I believe so much in the United States. I will stand up as a U.S. Marine and speak the truth openly and without fear even though the truth does not matter any more. We all must correct the wrongs in government no matter what the personal costs are."
Macdonald's reference to the criminals we elect is unsettling. As November draws nearer, our presidential choices are among three who have little credibility on the war — or anything else for that matter.
They are Clinton who voted for the Iraq war, Barack Obama who unconvincingly promises to end it, and John McCain who pledges to carry on until "victory" — whatever that means — is achieved.
If, as I wrote, Bush gambled his political future on Iraq in 2003, the verdict is in. He lost. History will remember Bush as a bigger warmonger than Lyndon Johnson.
But the far bigger losers are the families of the dead as well as the rest of Americans like Macdonald who because of the Iraq War will pay for decades emotionally and financially.
Joe Guzzardi did not vote for George W. Bush in either 2000 or 2004. Reach him at guzzjoe@yahoo.com.
Reader Feedback
Lodian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 11:03 PM:
"I can't expect much more from you libs than to want to end a discussion with
condescending remark."
This is from a guy that cusses people out and tells them to go "jerk off" as part of his bashing routine. Give it up, Brian.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 10:32 PM:
Regarding your post.
Actually I do find this particular blogg
full of much what I hear coming out of the majority of liberals mouths on other bloggs. I've been on bloggs that are mostly conservative and I have good exchanges that are thought provoking.
I can always tell when a liberal trys to
break the harmony. You're a good example of what the average liberal does when he's challenged by a thought provoking conservative. "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 10:25 PM:
" Brian: I do agree with your comment "feeble minds think alike"
And they listen to Talk Radio. :) "
Please explain to me all the intellectuals as guests on conservative talk radio. I suppose you consider
Victor Davis Hansen, Mark Steyn, Christopher Hitchens, and many other scholars, who won't touch liberal talk radio with a ten foot pole, feeble minds.
I can't expect much more from you libs than to want to end a discussion with
condescending remark. "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 10:19 PM:
Your source for many of your talking points are liberal based.
Many other prominent politicians haven't endorsed anyone either for pres. "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 10:14 PM:
" Brian said "Sam, you really shouldn't support the lies that the libs want everyone to perpetuate"
Brian, you crack me up. My "lib" source is Colin Powell. I recorded the interview. He said "he likes Obama." (I never said he endorsed him). He also said he is NOT endorsing McCain. He said he likes all 3.
One would think if McCain is so hot he would have endorsed him by now, as he is a republican. Wonder why he has not?? Hmmm. "
Of course Powell is not a liberal. "
OTH wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:18 PM:
Either way after last nights little tirade I would think he would be ashamed to be here. Maybe the folks here in Lodi called him and said more, more.
If these blogs are all that dumb and stupid Brian, why are you here? You know why as well as I do. You want to be big dog. But you get on the major blogs and they are going to kick your ass. IMHO "
OTH wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:09 PM:
Can you say paranoid? "
sam wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:46 PM:
Real facts, how do YOU know what his relationship with God is? It is between he and God.
Not trying to pick a fight, actually I do not even want a response, but I feel that is between he and God.
"
sam wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:33 PM:
Nice blog, rf. "
real facts wrote on Apr 11, 2008 5:24 PM:
before men, you are probably right. it's hard to find people who don't hold things against you for the rest of your life.
but ivan, tell girard he can get his back before GOD (should he do a 180). God is in the business of restoring integrity.
virginity is a different issue. you only get one shot at that (lol) "
girard74 wrote on Apr 11, 2008 11:58 AM:
Oh, you've missed some whoppers here for certain. This one is light and 'cheerful' compared to one a few weeks ago. "
sam wrote on Apr 11, 2008 9:50 AM:
Brian, you crack me up. My "lib" source is Colin Powell. I recorded the interview. He said "he likes Obama." (I never said he endorsed him). He also said he is NOT endorsing McCain. He said he likes all 3.
One would think if McCain is so hot he would have endorsed him by now, as he is a republican. Wonder why he has not?? Hmmm. "
jnd123 wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:32 AM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 11, 2008 8:12 AM:
If so, then I do apologize. "
Ivan dixon wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:59 AM:
Once you lose it, you can't get it back. "
nylodian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:17 AM:
And they listen to Talk Radio. :) "
nylodian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:11 AM:
AGAIN: Hillary did NOT start the madrassas rumor, it was put out there by FOX News in January 2007 after they quoted an article which had no sources or credibility. Then, again in January 2007, FOX blamed Hillary for the original article, a claim without any merit and which has been discredited.
thebostonchannel.com/politics/10836367/detail.html
mediamatters.org/items/200701000003
"
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:09 AM:
" Brian explained his lie as, '...this little inconsistency...'
Is that what a 'lie' is now, a little inconsistency?
Call Hillary - you've got the job!!! "
G74
Her lie is not a little inconsistency.
Me not pointing it out right away is a little inconsistency on my part. Is it you're intention to run with this too? "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:05 AM:
Have you looked at the Iraqi Persective Project?
We really need to put some of these libs in their place. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:04 AM:
Is that what a 'lie' is now, a little inconsistency?
Call Hillary - you've got the job!!! "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:02 AM:
Is it your intention to run with this little inconsistency like you have on other occasions with not only me as a way to not address the real issues?
I'm surprised a man of your (supposed)
integrity would want to get off on such a wild tangent.
"
girard74 wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:55 AM:
If so, Hillary Clinton needs a new 'Integrity Czar' for her campaign. The only qualification for the job is that he/she have no compunction against lying. I’ve got a few candidates in mind. "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:54 AM:
You all want to sidestep the whole issue of why the libs want to spread lies about the Iraq war in the first place. At least I had the integrity to admit what I did. You sure won't here any libs admitting they spread lies.
The MSM and libs thrive on misinformation and lies about the Iraq war and the Republicans. You all who support liberal ideology should be embarrassed.
Have a niced day :) "
Brian wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:45 AM:
" The Dreaded Rear Admiral wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:31 PM:
Leonard, In as much as you weren't aware
that Obama attended madrassas in Indonesia
THEN, HE CONTINUED WITH
The Dreaded Rear Admiral wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:11 AM:
Actually, Hillary spread the lie around about Obama attending madrassas.
Brian, before you go calling Sam a liar, perhaps you would like to explain which of your above posts was a purposeful, knowing lie.
Before I do anything perhaps you could explain to me why you didn't pick it up in the firstplace? "
voter wrote on Apr 11, 2008 6:32 AM:
Leonard, I called Brian on that madrassa lie yesterday and he admitted it in his 5:38 pm post. He has no integrity. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 11, 2008 4:41 AM:
Leonard, In as much as you weren't aware
that Obama attended madrassas in Indonesia
THEN, HE CONTINUED WITH
The Dreaded Rear Admiral wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:11 AM:
Actually, Hillary spread the lie around about Obama attending madrassas.
Brian, before you go calling Sam a liar, perhaps you would like to explain which of your above posts was a purposeful, knowing lie.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:49 PM:
Regarding this post.
Amongst all the gobbly goop, voter did say something reasonable by stating McCain does believe we may need a peactime presence in Iraq for up to a hundred years. This may be the reality.
At least voter thinks (somewhat) rationally amongst all his gobbly goop. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:39 PM:
This is about the Islamic schools in Lodi. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:49 PM:
Colin Powell is far more likely to support McCain than Obama.
An endorsement of Obama would be political suicide for Powell. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:46 PM:
All Powell said was that we can't keep troops at the levels they are at indefinately. So, he agrees with McCain.
McCain has never said we will sustain these numbers indefinately.
Just like the lie that he wants a war with Iraq for 100 years. You are now discerning Powell as not supporting McCain. You really should seek another hobby. Politics is not for you. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:36 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:36 PM:
" Brian, did you google Colin Powell's interview today?
For what purpose?
"
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:36 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:35 PM:
For those of you (maybe zero here) interested in what McCain really meant with his 100 year thing and not what the liberal media wants it to be. here it is.
The liberal media is just falling over themselves with their love for Obama
they will go to extremes to marginalize
McCain. They even have Hillary parrotting what they say. And she knows better. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:32 PM:
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:30 PM:
" Brian, google Colin Powell's interview today.
Oh, that's right , I like him and respect him, so he must be a lib. "
Of course I don't think you think he's a lib. You're being a bit sensitive.
I would vote for Colin Powell if he ran for President. I don't like Obama because of his political positions. His color has nothing to do with it.
Actually, you said you were a Republican. You do seem interested in Obama because he is different. Oh, he's different alright. If you only knew how much. "
voter wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:24 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:24 PM:
This recession has nothing to do with the War in Iraq. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:20 PM:
" OTH and Sam: I am not surprised that Bush is after Iran because 1) he has convinced himself that Iraq is going well and 2) it's another diversion from the fact we still haven't gotten Bin Laden and 3) more opportunity for his contracting buddies to make $$$ while we slide deeper into debt.
And then there's McCain, who once again, got his Iraqi info screwed up. Geesh.
Another indication of sheer stupidity on this blogg. Feeble minds think alike.
To say that Iran is not a threat
is beyond stupidity. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:17 PM:
" Hey Brian you done with your paper route already?
You say all the Democrats want is to win the election. Duh? Isn't that the purpose of having an election is for someone to win? "
I amazed at the sheer stupidity on these bloggs. OTH admits that Dems aren't interested in winning the war in Iraq. It should be embarrassing for you to admit such a thing.
"
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:15 PM:
The tv tonight said 1 in 5 have diplomas and some have multiple convictions on their records. The way they react to prison guards, it will be interesting to see how they handle boot camp. "
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:11 PM:
You say all the Democrats want is to win the election. Duh? Isn't that the purpose of having an election is for someone to win? "
voter wrote on Apr 10, 2008 6:34 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 5:50 PM:
Oh, that's right , I like him and respect him, so he must be a lib. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 5:49 PM:
We haven’t had an ‘inductee’ in quite awhile; are you sure this is what you meant?
Otherwise, the different branches have different standards. You cannot get into the Air Force with anything less than a high school diploma; the Navy will permit a GED, but with other stipulations; the Army will let almost anyone in - while they prefer at least a GED, they'll 'consider' those who do not.
The same is true for criminal records. As the need went up, the standards went down. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 5:44 PM:
Please do listen carefully to the exchange again. You're embarrassing yourself. Focus like a laser beam. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 5:38 PM:
You libs wait in hiding to pouce on people like to to deliberately lie.
I had to admit that I lied about Obama attending madrassas. It was Hillary who started it all. Libs are only interested in one thing, winning this election.
It's a national travesty to see lies about the Iraq war plastered daily on the front of msm newspapers and the truth burried in the back sections. "
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 4:34 PM:
I guess I was under the misconception that there were standards the military had for inductees. Any kind of a police record was an automatic rejection.
I guess we will find out down the road.
As to your comments about the jails being full I would imagine a run for the Canadian Border. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 4:04 PM:
I meant, 'For those who would 'abuse' the training obtained through the military...'
Teach me to not proofread more carefully. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:45 PM:
Obviously there are those who will perpetrate their evil by any means possible. For those who would take the training obtained through the military, that should be considered by any criminal judge/jury if/when imposing punishment to the offenders. In an open and free society such as ours, we'll always be faced with this kind of problem. "
voter wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:15 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:10 PM:
Leonard: safe travels
Everyone: have a good evening! "
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:07 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:05 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:00 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:31 PM:
" . . .Obama attended madrassas in Indonesia . . ."
Then contradicted himself when he wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:11 AM:
"Actually, Hillary spread the lie around about Obama attending madrassas. "
You've admitted that you knew all along that Obama attending madrassas was a lie--and you've told another one by saying Mr. Clinton started it. Now we know that you are not stupid, just a person with no integrity who can not be trusted. What do you stand to gain from deliberate lying?
"
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 2:17 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 2:01 PM:
It would have to be at least two years. After 'boot camp' and technical training for even the shortest time necessary would not provide enough time left to fully train these people for their primary responsibility - national defense. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:58 PM:
Actually we pay them their salaries that include medical/housing and many other benefits. A good 'GI Bill' should be in place to assist them with their education upon the end of their obligation. If done correctly, many would remain in the military to become the 'middle tier' NCOs or lower field-grade officers. Part of the problem now is that too many in these categories are leaving and that is causing shortages in mid-management leadership. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:55 PM:
Here ya go Brian... McCain and his 100 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM
"
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:55 PM:
Relief is already in place for those who oppose actual combat – ‘conscientious objector’ status. Even those who volunteer for the military and don't invoke that right upon enlistment are entitled to employ it at any time during their enlistments/appointments.
However, such a designation often comes with a high price. Those who do claim that status are often recipients of 'negative' attention while authorities look the other way. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:50 PM:
I support the draft too, but everyone has to go... men and women. And if they oppose fighting they can work in the inner city, or as a live in volunteer. We pay them in in vouchers for college tuition or cash. Everyone serves the USA for a year or two. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:46 PM:
See, Leonard, we have a history. You have to keep blogging here once you are in Texas.
Are you in NY now??? or Have you crossed the pond to England yet?? "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:43 PM:
While partly anecdotal, it has long been a part of the judicial system to permit many accused citizens to choose between the military and prison.
Why would it bother anyone if upon release from jail or prison (assuming their 'debts' have been paid) that they are offered enlistment in the military?
My professional military experience has convinced me that military 'justice' is much more severe than its civilian counterpart. Woe to the military man/woman who re-offends while in the military! "
Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 10, 2008 1:03 PM:
No, Brian. Because you jamb your fingers in your ears and clamp your eyes shut to the truth does not make your lies true.
The video, in crystal clarity, shows John McCain standing before an audience, saying with his own voice.
It was shown again last night.
You can try to deny it, but you would only be lying again.
Perhaps you can find it on YouTube.
Or not- if it threatens you. "
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 12:31 PM:
I have heard and read they are taking men when they are released from jail or prison directly to the army.
That bothers me. If we have to stoop to that level we're in trouble. Some may adjust and some may slip through that just don't like authority. However, other than a draft how do we get people to serve? "
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 12:20 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 12:11 PM:
I am a big proponent of conscription. While an 'all volunteer' force has worked even up to now, this is not to say that we are as protected as well as we should be.
As we've always been told, 'Freedom is not free,' this is true as far as maintaining that freedom and security. Having our 'new' adults serve two years would serve two purposes: maintaining a viable defense; and providing much-needed discipline and maturity to (largely) spoiled, over-indulged young people in so much need of it. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 11:57 AM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 11:44 AM:
Leonard, my statement was about Clinton and Obama. I didn't offer my opinion about Bush here. You assumed my omission was because I find him credible?
I've stated in the past as far as my opinion about Iraq I am anxiously waiting for the end of Bush's term; I am confident that Powell (and others) will be then in a position to cast a clearer light upon the events leading up to and after the war was initiated. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:30 AM:
McCain may be right or he may be wrong on this issue but I fully believe that, in his heart, he believes that he is doing the right thing.
The same cannot be said about many if not most of the current Administration. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:28 AM:
" sam, OTH, voter and Leonard, and Girard: Your thoughts on what would happen in our country if (when, with the way we're going) the draft is reinstated?
I support reinstating the Draft. I think it would lead a much more carefully thought out American foreign policy.
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:24 AM:
LODIAN, LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER
Chuckle....
Speaking of bumper stickers, I saw one on the back of a livery limo the other day that read as follows:
Liberalism may be a Mental Disorder but Conservatism is a Symptom of Erectile Dysfunction
Or something to that effect. I literally laughed out loud. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:20 AM:
This pretty much sums it up tha OHT doesn't even consider the Iraqi Perspective Project
(being a formal military report) a reputable source or a former navy person of any significance.
But didn't you take exactly the same tact when the Navy and the USMC designated WND a hate site? You said flat out that you did not find their designation credible.
Should we then assume that you stood up from your computer, walked into your back yard and lit up your own American flag? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:15 AM:
Actually, Hillary spread the lie around about Obama attending madrassas.
Interesting.
So you knowingly posted something that you knew to be untrue as fact?
It all goes back to the issue of credibility. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:13 AM:
I'm glad you talked to someone in the military who loved the bush baby. Did you tell her of your supreme status as a Rear Admiral? Did you go on to tell her how you became so annointed?
LOL!!! I had pretty much forgotten about the whole Navy SEAL episode.
If there is ever a greatest hits collection for these blogs, that post ought to be at the very front. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:49 AM:
This is exactly how I feel about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (although as it pertains to him, only just recently have I formed that opinion
Really? You think Obama is a liar but you find Bush to be credible?
How bizarre it must be to be you! "
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:39 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:37 AM:
No doubt people from her campaign fanned it- but that lovely tidbit was put out by your friends at Fox nearly a year ago. "
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:32 AM:
And then there's McCain, who once again, got his Iraqi info screwed up. Geesh. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:31 AM:
Take care and Godspeed :) "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:28 AM:
" Must attend to everything around here with four legs and big saucer eyes looking up at me, or down at me for that matter. LOL! Have a great morning all. "
LODIAN, LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:27 AM:
" Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:19 AM:
"Oh, we're changing the subject now because my challenges are too much for you to handle. Typical liberal fashion.
At least you're consistent."
What challenge was that, Brian? All you did was post vulgarity. Will you bring out real facts again, or maybe cuss me out? You pose no challenge.
Lodian,You're embarrassing yourself by being so smug. Go back to your crosswords. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:26 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:25 AM:
" OTH wrote, 'Sam I can't watch bush anymore. All I see is a liar and I don't believe a thing he says. He insults peoples intelligence.'
This is exactly how I feel about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (although as it pertains to him, only just recently have I formed that opinion).
Thank you G74. It was Hillary who advanced the notion that McCain wanted a war with Iraq for 100 years. Her followers couldn't help but run with this outright lie. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:24 AM:
"Is that the best you can do?"
I have to keep it simple with you or you will start cussing me out again.
"
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:22 AM:
"Oh, we're changing the subject now because my challenges are too much for you to handle. Typical liberal fashion.
At least you're consistent."
What challenge was that, Brian? All you did was post vulgarity. Will you bring out real facts again, or maybe cuss me out? You pose no challenge.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:22 AM:
" Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:17 AM:
"OTH, are you going to use matches or a lighter?"
What did you use, Brian?
Is that the best you can do?
Perhaps you can explain to us why Frontline is more of a reputable source
than the Iraqi Perspective Project? "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:21 AM:
This is exactly how I feel about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (although as it pertains to him, only just recently have I formed that opinion). "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:19 AM:
" It's not surprising that Brian doesn't use his own money/insurance for health care, but insists that others must do so. That's hypocritical to say the very least. But this is exactly what I would expect. Brian's bashes others doing exactly what he does.
Oh, we're changing the subject now because my challenges are too much for you to handle. Typical liberal fashion.
At least you're consistent. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:18 AM:
"OTH, are you going to use matches or a lighter?"
What did you use, Brian?
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:17 AM:
" Sam I can't watch bush anymore. All I see is a liar and I don't believe a thing he says. He insults peoples intelligence. "
OTH, are you going to use matches or a lighter? "
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:17 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:16 AM:
Regarding this post. This pretty much sums it up tha OHT doesn't even consider the Iraqi Perspective Project
(being a formal military report) a reputable source or a former navy person of any significance.
I supect OTH will be pulling down the American flagg and setting it on fire
in the next few moments.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:11 AM:
Bush was not lied to about Iraq. I will not veer from noting when the left spews out their propaganda. And they do it a lot. I'm trying to help those who don't know the difference. Please keep that in mind.
Actually, Hillary spread the lie around about Obama attending madrassas. "
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:10 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:09 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:08 AM:
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:08 AM:
Iran is not bothering us and if the intelligence he is getting is as crappy as it was on Iraq he's liable to do anything.
If he does I would imagine he would have to reinstate the draft as our military in stretched thin now.
I would hope somewhere in the mess we call a government in someone who can convince him not to attack Iran. "
OTH wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:01 AM:
If you didn't listen to talk radio you wouldn't have a thought in your head.
I'm glad you talked to someone in the military who loved the bush baby. Did you tell her of your supreme status as a Rear Admiral? Did you go on to tell her how you became so annointed?
Before you go off on an invective laced tirade, savei there's not much I haven't heard already. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:59 AM:
G, you know I am so happy you and your son are recieving excellent medical care. I am just hearing too many horror stories of vets who are not. The suicide rate of Iraq vets is appalling. They obviously are not receiving the care they needed.
So I need to clarify my statement by saying not ALL vets are recieving the care they need. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:56 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:51 AM:
Now he wants to go after Iran. He is scary. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:45 AM:
The interesting thing is that it doesn't take much of a 'rocking' to toss you over; such weakness. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:36 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:36 AM:
You are so right. It is the throughout the world. I am an artist and painted an image when he first became president and named it after GW. It sold like crazy and was put on coasters, dishes, fabrics, etc.
Three years ago I was ordered by my agent to pull the piece or rename it. World wide companies were not only refusing to use the piece because of the name, but were talking about boycotting the artist. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:24 AM:
And I see and hear just the opposite. So it's all a matter of perspective.
You choose the negativeandIchoosethepositive.
Look at the polls. Hell, look at the Fox News polls.
They will confirm everything that I just said. Its not a matter of perspective, its a matter of cold, simple facts. "
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:21 AM:
LOL!!! You're the one hurling insults and vulgarities here. Too funny!!!!
By the way, I can post the same links as voter, sam, and Leonard, but why bother when you automatically dismiss anything opposing your POV as "liberal propaganda" and won't even put the effort in to look at it for yourself. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:10 AM:
I do suspect you just want to rock the boat. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:08 AM:
" Re: Brian's post: Lodian, why don't you go jack off somewhere else "
Brings to mind the saying "you write what you know"....
We're trying to have a civil conversation here. Take your aspersions elsewhere. Stop whining about my writing style and start contributing. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:06 AM:
The 'Real' Al Qaeda "
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:03 AM:
Brings to mind the saying "you write what you know"....
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:03 AM:
Frank Gaffney does a fine job running this cite.
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ "
nylodian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:01 AM:
OTH: great posts at 8:22, 8:32 and 8:43
Girard: Your POV my differ from mine sometimes, but you have always been civil, which is why I respect your posts. I agree with Sam, based on multiple reports from Ft. Drum that many of our vets are not getting quality care they deserve. (I wish you good health!)
Sam: BIG AMEN to your 9:27 post!!!
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:00 AM:
"
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:55 AM:
Enjoy Texas. They have great wines that par close to Calif. wines. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:53 AM:
" Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:47 AM:
" Of course Leonard has already chose a neighborhood to live in that has those anti-Bush bumper stickers on the cars
Brian, you need to get out more, my friend.
Its not one neighborhood, its the entire nation.
The vast majority of Americans think this President is doing a lousy job. I travel all over this country and I see the same thing everywhere I go. "
And I see and hear just the opposite. So it's all a matter of perspective.
You choose the negativeandIchoosethepositive. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:51 AM:
I do really try to find good sources.
Had I not listened to the Dennis Prager show I would have never known of this report. This is just one item in a long list of sources that I have got from listening to conservative talk radio.
I'll have to put together a list for you. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Of course Leonard has already chose a neighborhood to live in that has those anti-Bush bumper stickers on the cars
Brian, you need to get out more, my friend.
Its not one neighborhood, its the entire nation.
The vast majority of Americans think this President is doing a lousy job. I travel all over this country and I see the same thing everywhere I go. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:47 AM:
I can't blame the man for wanting to feel secure in his new house. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:43 AM:
" Brian, that report is five volumes long. I can't believe you read the whole thing. My guess is that someone on talk radio told you "what it said", and now you've linked to an abstract, which you haven't even skimmed.
Voter, I spent the last hour skimming it. It is the whole report. It's quite long. Why don't you take a look at instead of casting aspersions about it.
There are many key things in this report
that Frontline failed to report and instead inserted left wing propaganda
as fill in. "
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:39 AM:
Project it spoke of how the chain of command within Saddam's regime purposely distorted and lied about things. By the time it got to Saddam
he considered it truth.
That said, given how the left has distorted the facts about the Iraq war
one could conclude that they don't hold
the Bush Admin. with any more regard
than Saddam's regime.
What a blow to the average American that
there are people in this country who loathe our government in this manner.
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:36 AM:
Those Texans, they don't hold back. "
sam wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:32 AM:
Leonard, now that is funny ! Thanks for sharing. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:00 AM:
Leonard, I suggest you keep a low profile in Texas. People there don't take a liking to those that call Bush a liar and whatever else you call him.
Honestly, I am not to worried. I have never seen more anti Bush bumper stickers than I did when I was down in Austin.
My favorite was one that read as follows:
Impeach President Cheney and his Little Dummy Too "
voter wrote on Apr 10, 2008 6:59 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 6:33 AM:
It's called the Iraqi Perspectives Project.
Here's the link to the report for those interested in the truth and not propaganda.
Leonard, I suggest you keep a low profile in Texas. People there don't take a liking to those that call Bush a liar and whatever else you call him. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 10, 2008 12:45 AM:
Leonard, In as much as you weren't aware
that Obama attended madrassas in Indonesia
The problem, as I see it, is that Brian doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word "madrassas". He, apparently, is under the impression that it means "any school secular or nonsecular, in a predominantly Islamic nation".
Again, a lack of information combined with an inability to critically analyze what information he does have has left Brian in an embarrassing position.
You would think he would learn a lesson. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:43 PM:
It has taken me some time to fully understand just how all of this works; to be capable of voicing my opinion vigorously yet with respect AND within the 100-word-limit (most of the time.) "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:38 PM:
girard74 10:35 PM:
AAAAAMEN !!!!!
"
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:35 PM:
Yes, I do thank God for everything in my life; this includes the V.A., the USAF, USA, USN, USMC, USCG and all the reserve/guard units and the men and women who serve this nation.
Yet, I hate war as much as any sane person does. I recognize mistakes are ALWAYS made before, during and after the battles are over. It is because of my faith in God that I have faith in the ‘People’ and the U.S. Government; while not perfect, it's better than ANYTHING else on earth. Even more I celebrate and am thankful for our right to be able to sit at our computers and declare our opinions without fear. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:29 PM:
This brings to mind the cliché regarding the casting of pearls before swine. I can't think of a more appropriate sentiment at this time. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:28 PM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:27 PM:
"That's good Girard. What other demeaning and condescending remark can I expect from you."
girard would never say anything even close to the nasty things you have said on these boards. Your disgusting comments and cussing is all too telling of your character.
"
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:25 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:33 PM:
"You go to hell Lodian! I'm not RF!
Give it a rest!"
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:45 PM:
"Lodian, why don't you go jack off somewhere..."
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:45 PM:
"Contact the LNS. They'll tell you to go jack off somewhere else too."
You're not showing very much class, Brian.
"
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:19 PM:
I realize that may be hard to to swallow but try as you goose step around your living room having a tantrum. Does your mommy know you are on the computer this late? Is it all for the folks back home? "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:06 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:05 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:05 PM:
I read the Iraq Persective Report. This government report told of the faulty intelligence Bush got. Nobody lied to him. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:02 PM:
" Brian, did you watch that documentary? You don't know what you are talking about. That "faulty intelligence" propaganda is just more crap you've been spoon fed by Limbaugh. YOu criticize the documentary, but have no clue what it's about. You've become a joke here. Come back when you are willing to do some research and play nice.
Bush was not lied to. It was faulty intelligence. That's all I need to know to not watch this show.
I really grow tired of the intellectual dishonesty coming from the MSM. "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:59 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:58 PM:
While I really don't want to get too involved with this thread, here's where I need to take issue. My son had surgery on his shoulder today at Fort Benning, GA. He's doing well (although in pain from four hours under the knife) AND he's well cared for. While he is but 'one' example, I cannot accept the blanket premise that our service members are being neglected and/or abused. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:57 PM:
Actually for anyone, it is worth the watch. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:55 PM:
I agree, WY, but we are NOT taking care of them. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:53 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:52 PM:
" Girard, I agree that propaganda of all flavors fills the airwaves and cyberspace. That documentary does not say that Bush lied--it says that he was lied to. Big difference. Lots of primary sources gave in-depth interviews--it's hard to spin that.
Voter, You're at it again. Faulty intelligence does not mean Bush was lied to. You're really a sucker for left wing propaganda. "
WY wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:52 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:49 PM:
" It's past 9:30 p.m. Isn't it time for the 'little people' with 'dirty little mouths' to go to bed now? And no milk and cookies for you!! That's right - I'm talking to you young men/girls/whatever ('B' & 'RF')
H5! "
That's good Girard. What other demeaning and condescending remark can I expect from you? "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:49 PM:
" It's past 9:30 p.m. Isn't it time for the 'little people' with 'dirty little mouths' to go to bed now? And no milk and cookies for you!! That's right - I'm talking to you young men/girls/whatever ('B' & 'RF')
H5! "
That's good Girard. What other demeaning and condescending remark can I expect from you. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:48 PM:
I just put "No End In Sight" into my queue. I do love your taste. Thank you. "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:48 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:46 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:46 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:43 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:42 PM:
H5! "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:40 PM:
" Brian, your claims about Obama and the madrassas are way past stupid. This is a comedy routine, right? "
No it's not. Even he won't deny he attended these schools in Indonesia.
It's part of his heritage. Perhaps you should write to him and tell him you don't believe he attended these schools.
"
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:38 PM:
"You go to hell Lodian! I'm not RF!
Give it a rest!"
Nice mouth, BRF (Brian real facts). Face it, BRF, your secret is out. We all know you post as Brian and real facts. Just stop denying it. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:38 PM:
" Brian, you can watch Frontline "Bush's War" on the PBS website. If you can find misinformation/lies in that program, we'd all like to hear your list of faults with documented sources. "
Voter, In a much as there probably is documented sources I'm sure there is
plenty of left wing propaganda that liberals love to hear to reinforce
their notion that "Bush lied and people died". That line is so childish
and irresponsible. "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:34 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:31 PM:
Was it you or OTH who told me to trn it on? Whoever it was, THANK YOU. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:31 PM:
" OK Brian, lets say you are critical in your media consumption.
Are you claiming that you knew that Feith had a record of spying for foreign powers and that you recommended his book anyway? "
Leonard, In as much as you weren't aware
that Obama attended madrassas in Indonesia I didn't know Feith spied for foreign powers. I still reccomend the book. I won't give Obama a pass because he might have Muslim tendancies so I don't trust him. Islam sends way too many mixed signals. I'm surprised
you give him a pass on this. "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:29 PM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:29 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:27 PM:
.. and a well thought out plan to win the war.
We also have to provide them with the health care, both mental and physical, they need. They way we mistreat and neglect our soldiers is a crime.
I just saw a report on the suicide rate our young veterans. I am embarrassed as an American.
"
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:27 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:25 PM:
Leather-clad Christian gay bashers and convicted felon radio hosts = Honesty and integrity = Good "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:23 PM:
" Well this blog has gone to hell!
Yes it has because you and your cronies
hate it that I won't put up with your liberal TRIPE.
Frontline, 60 Minutes... reputable sources. Yeah right. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:19 PM:
My wife, friends, and business aquaintances
have constant discussions about Iraq and politics. We all derive many of our opinions from a multitude of sources.
It just happens to be many of the opinions I form are conservative.
If that gets OTH's curlers in a tussle I DON'T CARE! "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:12 PM:
" Voter I watched that 60 Minutes program. To me, Feith came off as just another political hack in this government much the same as "Brownie" of Katrina fame.
The only reason he had a job was he knew someone or was related to someone.
After the Frontline program I came to realize the fact that if there are 10 people in this government that really know what they're doing I would be surprised. Political hacks and cronies seem to make up the majority. Colin Powell was an exception.
OTH is a hipocrite. "
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:43 PM:
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:43 PM:
The only reason he had a job was he knew someone or was related to someone.
After the Frontline program I came to realize the fact that if there are 10 people in this government that really know what they're doing I would be surprised. Political hacks and cronies seem to make up the majority. Colin Powell was an exception. "
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:34 PM:
" Leonard 2:10 PM: Well said, Leonard (as usual). "
since you are "buddies" with leonard, then you should have no problem asking him if i am "brian".
i have proved over and over how leonard isn't man enough to tell the truth in life, now it's your turn. let's see you display your integrity you brag about by asking leonard if i am "brian".
what do you wanna bet she chickens out of it? she will, because i am right about her.
real integrity isn't afraid of the truth, and has NO PROBLEM adjusting-to-it "
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:32 PM:
You have our fearless leader on tv telling everyone that it's one big country club over there.
Halliburton is raping the country for all the riches they can get, corruption is rampant but hey it's all good.
The Iraqi government has budget surpluses but we are paying for everything. Well why not, we're stupid to be there in the first place. They're no dummies. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:24 PM:
Are you claiming that you knew that Feith had a record of spying for foreign powers and that you recommended his book anyway? "
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:22 PM:
Brian do you ever think for yourself instead of listening to talking heads and reading the books they reccomend? Do you really need someone to tell you what to think?
"
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:16 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:35 PM:
I have noticed that, voter. It is sad. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:33 PM:
General Tommy Franks is on record calling Doug Feith "the stupidest f*cking guy on the planet."
Voter, thank you for your input. I value your opinion. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:20 PM:
by the Bush Admin. when he testified.
I suspect my last sentence will be the new mantra the left will have. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:03 PM:
" So... since literally everyone is here, I thought I might take this opportunity to announce that I will be moving at the end of May to.....TEXAS!
Actually, it is not as bad as it sounds since we will, in fact, be moving to Austin TX. My wife has accepted an promotion with her company but that promotion means that she will now have to be based out of the companies home office.
L, can we anticipate you organizing a protest in front of Bush's ranch in Crawford with Cidy Sheehan MCing?
"
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:00 PM:
" Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:51 PM:
" The Liberal Mantra:
Report what we want it to be.
Not what it is.
If the liberals could only acknowledge
the strategic significance of being in Iraq.
But no, they aren't interested in strategery or winning the war. They are only interested in winning elections.
That's a little long for a mantra.
Maybe a creed?
Leonard, and you would be happy to consider that as a creed. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:57 PM:
" This is a good example of the main problem I have with Brian. The man is utterly uncritical in his consumption of media.
If he is hearing what he wants to hear he could care less where it is coming from. "
Leonard, this is the most ridiculous
statement you've made to date.
Don't lump me together with you and your croanies. I don't base my decisions
on knee-jerk reactions and distortions.
This is the problem I have with especailly you. The distortions about the war you insist on projecting out
hurts the troops. How dare you! "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:39 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:34 PM:
In the past two weeks, the following events transpired. A Department of Justice memo, authored by John Yoo, was released which authorized torture and presidential lawbreaking. It was revealed that the Bush administration declared the Fourth Amendment of the Bill of Rights to be inapplicable to "domestic military operations" within the U.S. The U.S. Attorney General appears to have fabricated a key event leading to the 9/11 attacks and made patently false statements about surveillance laws and related lawsuits. Barack Obama went bowling in Pennsylvania and had a low score.
Here are the number of times, according to NEXIS, that various topics have been mentioned in the media over the past thirty days:
"Yoo and torture" - 102
"Mukasey and 9/11" -- 73
"Yoo and Fourth Amendment" -- 16
"Obama and bowling" -- 1,043
"Obama and Wright" -- More than 3,000 (too many to be counted)
"Obama and patriotism" - 1,607
"Clinton and Lewinsky" -- 1,079 "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:13 PM:
If he is hearing what he wants to hear he could care less where it is coming from. "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:08 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:04 PM:
Leonard, have you considered reading Douglas Feith's book "War and Decision" or are you going to pass over it as propaganda?
Feith? Isn't he the guy that Reagan fired because he was spying for Israeli Intelligence?
I think I will pass.
The fact that Bush reinstated Feith's security clearance is, however, just further evidence of the moral bankruptcy of this Administration. I doubt anyone was surprised when his subordinate was convicted of spying for.... (SURPRISE!!!)... Israeli Intelligence.
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:57 PM:
" The Liberal Mantra:
Report what we want it to be.
Not what it is.
If the liberals could only acknowledge
the strategic significance of being in Iraq.
But no, they aren't interested in strategery or winning the war. They are only interested in winning elections.
That's a little long for a mantra.
Maybe a creed?
:)
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:56 PM:
Leonard, you are going to miss California.
Probably but Austin has a lot going for it. You would be AMAZED at the kind of a house that you can buy out there. The music scene is great and the schools are good enough that when Lennyette gets older, we might even be able to send her to public schools if we want.
As an added bonus, you don't have to be sleeping with the Mayor's brother to get a concealed carry license.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:51 PM:
Report what we want it to be.
Not what it is.
If the liberals could only acknowledge
the strategic significance of being in Iraq.
But no, they aren't interested in strategery or winning the war. They are only interested in winning elections.
Leonard, have you considered reading Douglas Feith's book "War and Decision" or are you going to pass over it as propaganda? Listen to the link I provided about the interview on the Dennis Prager show. It's on this blogg down a ways. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:01 PM:
Hey OTH, is Chris Mathews a democrat?? Or is he a cross over. I heard the Republican party is trying to "get him back"??? Know anything??? I know he loves Obama. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 2:33 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 2:10 PM:
Do as I say, not as I do. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:44 PM:
Billy, it all mcomes down to how much control you want over your life. I had to do what I had to do. That doesn't mean I'm for mandated healthcare.
I know how you libs want the government to take care of your every need. Isn't that called being a mooch.
"
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:34 PM:
Only in SF can they loose the Olympic Torch. The runner ran into a warehouse... the news people cannot find the torch. They think the runner got on a boat...
only in SF. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:27 PM:
" Leonard I forgot. Are you going to get the prerequisit 10 gallon hat? :) "
I've heard that they give you a gun when you open your bank account.
If its true, I want a Ruger Mini 14. I guess I'll have to shop around to find the right bank.
:) "
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:19 PM:
"vacation"
Is that what they are calling it these days, RF? "
your not even making sense anymore. "
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:18 PM:
OTH wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:16 PM:
Voter, sam, Leonard,nylodian, You have expressed it very well.You can't change anyone's mind when they are not open to it.
Brian I wouldn't listen to talk if they paid me. I had a boss once who listened to it and I made sure I was in another part of the building.
I'm not sure whare I fit. I'm what some may say is liberal on some matters and conservative on others. Does that make me a Demopub? "
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:12 PM:
you failed to mention that it was LODIAN that started this little "exchange" in here by lying about me. it's always interesting to watch people always blaming me for what goes on in here.
i see your integrity is still on "vacation".....you referred to me as the "problem", and skipped right past lodian's continual lying binge. you continue to demonstrate your LACK of integrity "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:00 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 9, 2008 12:41 PM:
Oh, jeez - THAT was funny. Irony that would stand up a spoon.
Good thing Brian doesn't "generalize" like all those feminists like Sam. LOL LOL LOL LOL
Hey, Brian, tell us more about the evils of public assitance while you're signed up for it yourself. "Hand up not a hand out" Oh, stop! I have to catch my breath!!
"
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 12:30 PM:
"vacation"
Is that what they are calling it these days, RF? "
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 11:41 AM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 11:24 AM:
Austin - arguably the most beautiful part of Texas - the 'Hill Country.' Keep in mind, though, 'hills' in Texas are like speed bumps here (kind of).
I lived in Houston before joining the Air Force; God I hated Texas!!
Best of luck to you. The cool thing is that for us (me, anyway) you won't be going anywhere. I would suspect that you will continue to contribute here? Say it's so!! "
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 11:19 AM:
" Oops, sorry that got posted again, Leonard. Oh heck... I can just say congrats a bunch of times!!!").
i see you wasted no time in kissing up to leonard so he wouldn't sell you down the river on your lie about me being brian.
good "PR" move on your part.
notice how i was right about leonard? dead silence from him.
even though you continue to lie, "they" still support you.....just like i said months ago that "they" would after i caught you in your lie, and you were worried about "them" "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:53 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:52 AM:
Whatever you say. :-) "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:46 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:40 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:40 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:38 AM:
She is at a huge corporate finance meeting where she is presenting the budget, and they are looking down on all the protesters.
ANYONE have a web address with live video feed of SF.
Thanks in advance. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:35 AM:
I was going to say I will miss you, but heck, this is internet. You will still "be here".
Hope your daughter is well and that life is going great for you. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:32 AM:
One more day and a hellish flight and I will be there.
:) "
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:31 AM:
but watch this show of non-integrity. leonard can read my posts, as evidenced in his response TO my post, right after i posted....but he won't say a thing....because leonard isn't an honorable guy. he wouldn't pick truth, or tell the truth if he had to. he can do it, but he won't.
he is the classic example of picking people over truth....preferring instead to be an accessory to lodians crime, rather than telling the-truth "
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:26 AM:
" Brian, why don't you just address the post with your handle "Brian" instead of bringing out "real facts" to answer for you? Are you afraid you may cuss again? Do you really think we all can't see that you are Brian and real facts? It's so easy to see").
i don't suffer from the same sickness you do lodian in your multiple dis-order parade ("lee" and "real_facts").
i told you before, i am NOT "brian".
i proved it before, and caught you in your lie that i am.
like i said, your pathological
"
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:21 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:19 AM:
"
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:19 AM:
Are things settling down at home now, RF?").
i go away for awhile on vacation, i come back and lo and behold.....your STILL lying.
your pathological (yet...."they" still support you)
"things" at home are exactly the same as they have always been, but you had to insinuate they weren't, so you could smear me. it's your lying ways. it's your sickness that precludes your words. i told you months ago, i have the perfect life (as it pertains to the things that really matter) "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:18 AM:
As for the LNS, I've always read it no matter where I lived since it first went on line.
You can live a lot of places but you will always really have one home. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:15 AM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list. "
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:15 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:15 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:12 AM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:12 AM:
Actually, it is not as bad as it sounds since we will, in fact, be moving to Austin TX. My wife has accepted an promotion with her company but that promotion means that she will now have to be based out of the companies home office.
My job can be done anywhere with a high speed connection and a good airport. It should be interesting, to say the least. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:07 AM:
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:01 AM:
" Brian silly question but what would you do if God was a Democrat")?
he isn't. neither is HE a republican (or any other "affliation")
HE is the holder of truth. so his decision(s) are always based in truth, which means HE would exclude any "party line", in favor of truth.
picking the truth over any subject matter, something most everbody in here wouldn't do IF their life depended on it (which it does) "
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:00 AM:
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:59 AM:
real facts wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:50 AM:
"...it is easier to dismiss someone with labels instead of presenting a valid argument."
Yes, and we know this all to well coming from Brian and real facts...or AKA, Brian/realfacts").
if the label fits....
this is another example in the "all i have to do is" ....paste what YOU write, so that the "facts" about who you are, get displayed. the "valid arguement" about you is the repeating of your own words, something you cannot deny.
i see your still PURPOSEFULLY lying about me being brian, and i still see people support you.
thats validation 101.....(for-me) "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:06 AM:
The 'pop-up book".... that just "looks" like GW. (Remember I am guilty of voting for him twice.) The frisbe from Condi... The use of "facts".
Also the comment on "why do you think Adam & Eve were naked?" a huge belly laugh. PRICELESS "
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:57 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:43 AM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:42 AM:
As such I suppose you were in favor of voters in Texas (and elsewhere) casting their vote as directed by Rush Limbaugh? He DID direct them; they DID comply. How is this not intellectual dishonesty?
Back in November, of my own accord I switched to the Democrat Party to be able to vote for Obama (against Clinton) in the primary. I was (am) concerned more about keeping her out than who actually gets in. MY choice. "
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:26 AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdiHtv6T6s
"
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:25 AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdiHtv6T6s
"
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:24 AM:
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Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:06 AM:
I give valid arguments. Put your glasses on. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:05 AM:
Conservatives rarely parrot talking points that are just outright untrue and intellectually dishonest.
I am guilty of parrotting intellectually honest talking points.
"
Lodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:03 AM:
"...it is easier to dismiss someone with labels instead of presenting a valid argument."
Yes, and we know this all to well coming from Brian and real facts...or AKA, Brian/realfacts. The labels come out and the put downs begin...along with the cussing.
"
sam wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:02 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:00 AM:
I do agree with you that liberal talk radio is mental masturbation for the weak minded, though.
Yes Lenny, it is true that Obama believes in quotas. Maybe YOU should get your facts straight. "
Brian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:51 AM:
" Brian wrote:
If you were to listen to conservative talk radio a little more often you would agree that conservatives are much more likely to be tolerant and open to many discussions. What little bit of liberal talk radio that is left is just full of hate mongering, pomposities and plattitudes.
Brian, I have said it before and I will say it again. Talk Radio, both liberal and conservative is a complete waste of time. It is simply mental masturbation for the weak minded. "
Lenny, You have a right to your opinion.
"
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:57 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:55 AM:
Right.... so thousands of years of history where men have viewed woman as property or voiceless (women couldn't vote until 1920) is just "indoctrination". "
voter wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:55 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:50 AM:
Didn't you know? When someone expresses a liberal viewpoint, it is "parroting", but when someone regurgitates right-wing bile, it is "patriotism". "
nylodian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:45 AM:
As a fellow feminist, I agree with your posts yesterday. :) "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 4:52 AM:
Then how can you vote for Obama? He believes in quotas. This is far from equal rights.
Sam is right. I do not believe that you have ever taken the time to investigate what Obama actually believes. As always, your posts are based solely on whatever nonsensical garbage you heard on Crazy Billy Bob's Right Wing Call in Show.
Second hand garbage is still garbage. Please stop littering these forums and start trying to form your own opinions. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 4:48 AM:
I do not hate successful women at the least. This is the idoctrination feminism has done to you.
Chuckle.... Brian doesn't hate women, he just doesn't believe that they are capable of real independent thought.
Whatever you say, Brian. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 4:45 AM:
You've got a long road ahead convincing
those in the Obama camp that he's not their saviour. And the media's got them goo goo eyed over him. He can do no wrong according to them.
Brian, I have never heard anyone other than you and your fellow Republicans refer to Obama as a "Savior". Do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is a common practice among Obama supporters or is this just another one that you pulled from the depths of your lower intestine? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 4:40 AM:
If you were to listen to conservative talk radio a little more often you would agree that conservatives are much more likely to be tolerant and open to many discussions. What little bit of liberal talk radio that is left is just full of hate mongering, pomposities and plattitudes.
Brian, I have said it before and I will say it again. Talk Radio, both liberal and conservative is a complete waste of time. It is simply mental masturbation for the weak minded. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2008 4:30 AM:
Actually, this is one of the very few times we can agree. I'm surprised you would find Patraeus to be of interest. Considering all the liberal talking points you parrot, I'm getting mixed signals from you. I can just imagine your saviour Obama expecting Patraeus to report to him. Obama is along the lines of Ward Churchill. Radical.
What an insulting post. Its impossible that Sam might actually have her own opinions, instead she "parrots" liberal talking points.
Of course, Brian never "parrots" anyone... "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:43 PM:
Then how can you vote for Obama? He believes in quotas. This is far from equal rights. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:39 PM:
He is either too stubborn or too ignorant to admit that Saddam was a threat to U.S. interests.
Perhaps YOU should read the book by Douglas Feith "War and Decision". "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:31 PM:
" Brian, you are not addressing issues, just constantly labeling people and smearing whole groups. Stereotyping=Bigotry. You can't possibly expect to find someone who wants to engage in a thoughtful conversation with you when you start with an insult. You have tried pretty consistently to discredit Obama and anyone who supports him but repeating the latest smear you picked up from Limbaugh or where ever. I invite you to go to his website, read his positions, and then make a constructive comment based on facts.
Voter, I've read his positions. I know his positions. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:23 PM:
they were uncomfortable leaving him in power.
Sam, you're not going to get anywhere with me when you parrot liberal talking points when you know damn well I know they are propaganda. I'm surprised you can't differientate propaganda from
facts. You seemed to have done well with Patraeus, though. What gives with your parroting? "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:14 PM:
" President Bush asserts that U.S. military action against Iraq was justified because Saddam Hussein was in material breach of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441. But even if Iraq was in violation of a UN resolution, the U.S. military does not exist to enforce UN mandates. It exists to defend the United States: its territorial integrity and national sovereignty, the population, and the liberties that underlie the American way of life.
Sam, Also may I add that the U.S. military exists to defend the interests of the U.S. outside our borders. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:09 PM:
I do not hate successful women at the least. This is the idoctrination feminism has done to you. Not all men want to oppress women. Feminist like you tend to generalize that all men tend to want to oppress women. I find this offensive and quite ignorant. "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:43 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:41 PM:
One might think of you as the RINO.
The second principle states :I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability.
There is that equal rights.. regardless of sex... and we know how you hate successful women. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:41 PM:
I do have to admit I get quite sensitive when I see intelligent people like you parrotting liberal talking points. The war in Iraq is much more convoluted than that.
And no, what Patraeus says is not propaganda. Try to convince Hillary or Obama of this.
Here's the link of the interview Dennis Prager had with Feith. http://dennisprager.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=93b94338-d291-4eeb-b49a-96d3ea2eb6e7 "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:36 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:32 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:28 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:25 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:24 PM:
I do think that because he is only following orders and being told what to say, it would be more effective to have our commander in chief there also answering questions. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:18 PM:
" Brian, I would never refer to any man as my Savior, Jesus Christ.
But if you refer to your McCain as that, I have to say it is not right. He is only a man you know. You should never put politicians up there with God. "
You've got a long road ahead convincing
those in the Obama camp that he's not their saviour. And the media's got them goo goo eyed over him. He can do no wrong according to them. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:14 PM:
" Sam I really find it hard to beleive that you are a Republican. Why not just be proud of your liberal ways. Why are Dems so offended when they are labeled left wingers? "
Citizen, Good point. I never get offended when I'm called a right winger.
I'm proud of my party affiliation.
The latest denial by the left is the imminent threat Iran poses to the stability of the middle East.
If the left were to admit that Iran is an imminent threat they couldn't call themseves left wingers anymore. Loyalty
has a price.
"
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:14 PM:
But if you refer to your McCain as that, I have to say it is not right. He is only a man you know. You should never put politicians up there with God. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:07 PM:
Actually it's the other way around.
Dems praise themselves for being tolerant as long as you don't say anything they disagree with.
Frankly OTH, If you were to listen to conservative talk radio a little more often you would agree that conservatives are much more likely to be tolerant and open to many discussions. What little bit of liberal talk radio that is left is just full of hate mongering, pomposities and plattitudes. Air America went bankrupt
because of this.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:00 PM:
" Brian, FYI, I got up and turned on the tv at 6:30 am and have been listening to Gen Petraeus for the past 3 hours. Very interesting.... or do you consider that propaganda too?
Actually, this is one of the very few times we can agree. I'm surprised you would find Patraeus to be of interest. Considering all the liberal talking points you parrot, I'm getting mixed signals from you. I can just imagine your saviour Obama expecting Patraeus to report to him. Obama is along the lines of Ward Churchill. Radical. "
voter wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:57 PM:
citizen wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:10 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 8, 2008 12:37 PM:
Brian is not a Republican, Sam, he's a Neo-Con; a perversion of the Republican party.
A real, true Republican would today be viewed as a Libertarian. I have been a registered Republican for 30 years, but this newest crop of bums masquerading as Republicans has cured me of wanting anything more to do with them. They are by degrees killing the party. "
OTH wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:11 AM:
America Uber Alles
There's no room for free thinking in the GOP. Your either 100% for us or 100% against us.
Haven't we in the past and are we now fighting a war to give people the right to think and say what they want?
Brian you said you used the Arizona Medicaid system as a hand up. What are you going to use as your child grows up and needs medical attention? It's symantics. A hand up or a hand out. out. "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:42 AM:
1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
Brian, that is the definition of feminism I beleive in. "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:36 AM:
You know how much I cannot stand her, but she is making sense. Actually I agree with about 90% of what she is saying. I am impressed. (Ouch, that hurt saying that) "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:34 AM:
About health insurance. I do not believe in mandating health insurance for all. But I do believe in mandatory health insurance for all kids.
And about your wife not working... I really believe if she is home raising your kids, that is the most honorable career. We made sure one of us was at home. Our kids are young for such a very brief time. "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:28 AM:
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Lodian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:25 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:24 AM:
It would help if my wife were to work but I don't demand it. Feminism and independence is not necessarily the same. "
Lodian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:23 AM:
This was sent to me today and I thought I'd share it with you here.
A tribute to our veterans...
http://www.managedmusic.com/Music/PlayBeforeYouGo.php
"
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:22 AM:
" Ivan, Amen. We should all be 100% republicans like Brian.
He states that he hates the proposed Universal Health care proposed, yet he refuses to provide his family with health insurance. When his wife delivered his kids he brags about using Arizona's Socialized Medical Aide.
This is partially true. I don't believe in mandated healthcare. I did use the Access system here when my wife was pregnant. It's a hand up, not a hand out.
Mandated healthcare is a hand out at every taxpayers expense whether they get it or not. "
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:39 AM:
I told you that I am a feminist in that I love being paid what I am worth andI enjoy running my own business.
I am sure you, being the feminist hater that you are, do not let your wife work. Or do you make her work because you cannot support your family yourself?? "
nylodian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:37 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:24 AM:
He states that he hates the proposed Universal Health care proposed, yet he refuses to provide his family with health insurance. When his wife delivered his kids he brags about using Arizona's Socialized Medical Aide.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:24 AM:
straight before he tars and feathers those marines?
How about that! "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:05 AM:
Military scandals are always front-page news—until they turn out to be less scandalous than thought. The New York Times gave huge play to the allegations of a massacre—"in cold blood," as Democrat John Murtha put it—by U.S. forces at Haditha. It was front-page stuff, with "World Ends"-sized headlines. But now, almost all of the men charged have had their charges dropped, and many of those who have followed the case wonder why charges were brought in the first place, given that the evidence was so weak that it didn't even make it to trial.
"
Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:00 AM:
After that, we can clean out Pakistan.
America Uber Alles! "
Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:58 AM:
If Sam wants to be a Republican, she should tow the party line.
Sam, there is no room for free thought here in the GOP. You are either 100% for us or 100% against us.
The time has come for you to choose your side! "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:56 AM:
" Brian, since you are so well informed, why is McCain not supporting the GI bill? "
Frankly, I don't know. It could be something in the bill that McCain doesn't like. Overall, McCain is pro-military. I don't see any code pinkers out there supporting the bill. Although they do have time to protest at military recruiting sites. They are feminists. Sam, you did mention you are proud to be a feminist. You should join code pink. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:48 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:44 AM:
" Talking to reporters on his campaign bus, the Straight Talk Express, earlier this year, John McCain said that if he cannot convince voters that the war in Iraq is succeeding, "I lose, I lose."
Sam, I'm obliged to assume that you would take out of context what McCain said about being in Iraq for a hundred years meaning he wants a war with Iraq for a hundred years? This is another left wing talking point. "
Brian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:28 AM:
Sam, regarding this post and many others written by you.
If you are such an informed Republican
why do you parrot left wing talking points?
I provided you with some good links to get your facts straight. But you are just falling all over yourself with your love for Obama it's clouding your
ability to think rationally. "
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:32 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:55 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:50 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:47 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:46 PM:
I just personally think something is wrong with a man who waffles on his views on Iraq, doesn't know which group is being trained in Iran, and who sings "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran ..." "
citizen wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:43 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:35 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:33 PM:
citizen wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:29 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:25 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:11 PM:
At the rate Barack Obama is going, his lack of qualification to serve as commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces will be painfully obvious long before November.
The man has far too few carefully considered opinions and far too many shoot-from-the-hip-and-hope-it-sounds-good opinions. Unfortunately, that weakness seems to be shared by the advisors with whom Obama has surrounded himself.
Obama's latest pronouncements on Iraq are a good example of the problem.
From James Taranto at WSJ's Best of the Web
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Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:07 PM:
Here's another. "
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:04 PM:
This will help you with your ignorance
too Sam. "
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:01 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:00 PM:
" 923 civilians were killed in March 2008 in Iraq. Yet today Teflon John says life in Iraq is returning to normal. Gee, I love that guy. He is right on top of this war that he supports.
Sam, wars do have casualities.
Do you prefer going back to when Saddam has his torture rooms? You should really do some research on how far Iraq has come instead of making knee-jerk reactions. Perhaps a visit to the Central Command Website may rid you of some of your ignorance on Iraq. "
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:55 PM:
This article describes somewhat what I mean by 40 years of failed Democrat foreign policies.
Billy Rubin has his point of view of what I say. He is entitled to say I am wrong according to his POV. I am entitled to say he doesn't know how I arrived at my POV. Perhaps this article will shed some light on what I am trying to say.
"
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:01 PM:
Please stand up. "
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:00 PM:
But last August McCain said, " It’s entertaining, in that I was the greatest critic of the initial four years, three and a half years. I came back from my first trip to Iraq and said, “This is going to fail.
But in 2002 when the war was in the planning, Teflon John, Military expert said, “I believe that the success [in Iraq] will be fairly easy.”
"
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:51 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:46 PM:
"
sam wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:45 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:17 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:15 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM:
Nixon, while forever attached to Watergate and all the other 'gates' to follow behind, was outstanding in his foreign affairs skills. In fact, he felt more at home 'out' of the country than 'in.'
Reagan's success is legendary after the age of malaise that was Carter. If nothing else, this man instilled 'hope' and national pride back into a nation that was hopelessly drifting after the nightmare of Nixon and the pathetic administrations left to attempt to bring self-respect back to the United States. "
Billy Rubin wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:46 PM:
MARZO2008 wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM:
MARZO2008 wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:38 PM:
OTH wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:03 AM:
Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:34 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:24 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:23 AM:
I agree with you that Ayers is scum, but the fact he sat on a committee with Obama and gave a relatively small donation, isn't much to go on.
"
nylodian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:12 AM:
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Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:05 AM:
OTH, here's the link. "
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:03 AM:
Brian wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:50 AM:
" As for the causes they support--let me just say that they support the law of the land. Some of these laws you may not agree with, but they are the laws as they stand. "
Voter, You're sidestepping the whole isssue of their support for quotas and affirmative action. Affirmative action is dead. All it caused was more racial divide. When a white man who is well qualified for a job has to let a black man have the job who is less qualified this is called reverse discrimination.
"
OTH wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:42 PM:
It's funny because when you come to the law, I am a conservative and you would class him with Obama.
No one is who they were 30 years ago. My nephew was a high school dropout and he has a Mensa IQ. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:17 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:15 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:57 PM:
OTH, This is the lawyers group website.
They proudly support affirmative action and quotas.
Hugh Hewitt brought this to light. He did have a link to some of the outrageous cases they took on. When I find the link in his archives I will post it. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:44 PM:
"
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:41 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:15 PM:
" Brian silly question but what would you do if God was a Democrat? "
Yes it is a silly question.
I'll answer it anyway just ot humor you.
I would say there are people in your party that are disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. I would also say that not every Democrat shares this trait.
Furthermore I would expect that he would point out those people in my party share these same traits and he would also point out not every Republican shares those traits.
Voter, not all Democrats are liberals.
I do tend to generalize. "
OTH wrote on Apr 6, 2008 4:21 PM:
Obama is part of a radical lawyers group that supports quotas and affirmative action.
Any source to back that up or are you just Democrat bashing again? "
OTH wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:56 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:46 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:43 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:43 PM:
This article does not give any indication that the suicide rate of troops in Iraq is what it is because it is a senseless war.
It is the lies of the left and the liberal media that it is a senseless war that irks me. Liberals are so disingenuous. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:20 PM:
because the fray is too stubborn to seek common ground with me. Leonard's stupid ROTFALMO is so childish. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:14 PM:
It's my opinion that Joe doesn't want a reasonable debate because of some of the ridiculous things he says in his letter. I feel an obligation to point some of them out considering how intellectually dishonest they are. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:10 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:07 PM:
" Brian, you've mentioned a half dozen times that you often feel marginalized by some of us. Here's why. In your last two posts (11:27 & 11:42), you attempt to defend your point by making disparaging remarks about others--as if anything your "team" does is justified if you can point out some wrongdoing of your "enemies". Even children view this as a weak defense--"So what if I stole a cookie. Last week Billy kicked the dog." We know you aren't up for reasoned debate when that is your opening salvo. Con't
"
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:56 PM:
We are getting off on a tangent here.
I don't agree with Joe's kneejerk reactions and grandstanding. He is a Democrat, though. At least he's consistent. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:53 PM:
I do sense this with you at times that you are trying to expose me. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:49 PM:
Liberals, well, their reputation as all high and mighty does conclude that they are much less likely to be critical of their own party.
I am dubious that a conservative poll
would make the conclusion that Bush is the worst president in history, though. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:44 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:41 PM:
" Brian writes, "I consider Republicans much more methodical in what they say. "
Would you say this accurately describes your debating style? "
Yes and no. I do digress at times.
Are you suggesting that you never digress? "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:40 PM:
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html
"
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:38 PM:
" Brian, regardless of mistakes which may or may not have been committed by past administrations, we judge each president based on his own actions given the situation at hand. This is how Baby Bush will be judged--not based on a weak comparison with Bill Clinton. "
Professional historians would disagree with you here. There is no doubt that a past administrations can have a lasting affect on future administrations. Reaganomics still has a lasting affect
today. Whether you consider Reaganomics negative or positive, that's not the point. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:34 PM:
Would you say this accurately describes your debating style? "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:34 PM:
I'm sure I could find a conservative poll that feels contrary to this.
It's all subjective. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:33 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:31 PM:
" Why is it when the Democrats say something it's a "rant"? When Republicans say something it should be carved into stone.
Both D's and R's rant. And they both want things carved in stone.
It's the knee-jerk reaction the Dems seem to be known for that irks me. I consider Republicans much more methodical in what they say. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:30 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:25 PM:
Eight years of him burying his head in the sand and his numerous opportunities to get OBL begs me to conclude that had he had more backbone Bush would not have had to pick up the pieces and do what he's doing now. Again, 40 years of failed foreign policy by the Democratics
has brought us to this point in time. and you have the audicity to suggest that BUSH is irresponsible. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:22 PM:
OTH wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:21 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 PM:
I offered up an argument to why I disagee with Joe and all you do is criticize my argument.
Perhaps you could offer up an argument
why I should agree with Joe's ridiculous statements. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:17 PM:
OTH wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:17 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:13 PM:
But I'm sure they prayed hard to get home safely and rejoin their families.
Joe's grandstanding is really a slap in the face to the troops. They knew what lied in wait for them in Iraq. It wasn't going to be a picnic. It is their sacrafices that they would want us to not do anything different here. "
voter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:13 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:02 PM:
American troops have died in vain doesn't score any points with those in the middle East that feel contrary to this. Given the 10's of thousands of middle Easterners live sacraficed it seems to be quite arrogant and selfish for the Democrats to suggest that our troops shouldn't have shared in the sacrafice to bring peace and stability to Iraq. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:42 AM:
Well, it seems to me Bush was doing nothing out of the ordinary on Easter.
As for Clinton though, he was getting lip service from Monica all the while
every day struggles Americans and the world had to endure. That said, to suggest that Bush was somehow insensitive to the troops on Easter is just as ridiculous as saying Clinton was not insensitve when he was getting lip service from Monica. "
Brian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:27 AM:
Considering the 40 years of failed foreign policy by the Democratic party,
Joe just gives us another example of how contemptuous his party can be for Bush. "
nylodian wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:35 AM:
Leonard: I send most sincere best wishes for your little one!
"
voter wrote on Apr 5, 2008 5:58 PM:
http://www.alanlepofsky.net/alepofsky/alanblog.nsf/dx/are-you-coming-to-bed
"
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 9:41 PM:
Hey, read the Moses Code. It really works when people who care send prayers and healing thoughts your way.
Peace out. "
WY wrote on Apr 4, 2008 9:12 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:36 PM:
I am off to bed. "
OTH wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:17 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:01 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:57 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:36 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Little Lennyette had never seen her grandfather before."
Ahh jeez, Leonard, you just melted my heart. Tell Mrs Lenny to take tons of video and photos. What a wonderful experience. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 6:11 PM:
They took the trip in stages. First to Boston where they stayed with friends and then to Gattwick. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 6:09 PM:
Ok now I am asking but you do not have to answer... why did you stay in NY and not cross the pond to England.
Well, the plan is for me to work here for another week and then meet up with them for a week after that and then we will all come home together.
Mrs Lenny is in the enviable position at her job right now where she can take a month off. I don't know when that is ever going to happen again so we jumped at the opportunity. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 6:05 PM:
I only wish the best for you and your family Leonard.
And likewise.
As for the WTC, the weird thing is that I have not been down there since before the attacks.
At first it was a disaster zone. Then, I just didn't think I could stomach the gawkers and the t-shirt vendors.
Now... well, I never really went down there much before the attacks. My business rarely takes me more than a few blocks south of Canal Street.
Maybe when the new building opens I will check it out. "
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 5:29 PM:
Ok now I am asking but you do not have to answer... why did you stay in NY and not cross the pond to England.
Be good to yourself and take care.
"
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 5:00 PM:
Godspeed:)
Send me some pics of the progress of the new WTC if you are in the area. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 4:34 PM:
She isn't super sick, she just has a stomach bug but I hate being away when she even has a cold and the whole in another country thing just adds an extra worry.
It will be OK, however, Mrs Lenny's uncle is a doctor and he is personally supervising her care. "
OTH wrote on Apr 4, 2008 3:24 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 2:08 PM:
That said, I truly do wish that you and I could be a little more civil to each other. All of this back and forth about who insulted who is getting tiresome. "
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 2:02 PM:
" Brian: I am not going to engage you in a mud slinging battle. Please feel free to spend this afternoon hurling insults, I will not be responding. "
It seems to me you're right there with your computer on. I'm just taking a break. My intentions weren't of the sort. You seem to be a little sensitive today. "
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 2:00 PM:
" And you are unique in your habit of immediately jumping to the personal attack.
Right back at ya. You spend a lot of time trying to marginalize people.
Are you that insecure? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 1:58 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 1:57 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 1:57 PM:
what type of job requires these skills. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 1:57 PM:
"
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 1:53 PM:
go out of his way not to make a reasonable conclusion on a given subject just to keep the debate going.
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 1:48 PM:
All of it honestly come by, I'm sure.
Yeah, she knows how the working man feels. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 11:14 AM:
Gator wrote on Apr 4, 2008 11:12 AM:
…Ergo, the total now for potential Islamic jihadists becomes 600,000,000 (I am taking a lot for granted to even assume LIBERALSCUM knows what 1/2 of a billion equals — but we must press on for the sake of the sane instead of the Husse-in-sane…I like that that’s funny).
The preponderance of terrorist acts are carried out by young Islamic men between 15 and 30 years old. In the Islamic world, males between the ages of 15 and 30 make up 50% of all Muslim males…
…Ergo, 25% of all Muslims are male and between the ages of 15 and 30; making are number for potiential Islamic terrorists world wide based on data we are aware of, to now drop to 150,000,000 (25% X 1.2 billion).
However, I think it is fair to point out, as others have, that the potential for a Muslim Jihadist could be identified by a male between the ages of 15 and 30 and a member of a fundamentalist Islamic group. Let us take a look at what kind of Muslim controls most Islamic Nations: Do moderate or fundemtalist Muslims control Islamic nations?
Palestine:
The fundamentalist Islamic group Hamas received 65% of the popular vote in “Palestine.” The secular less radical Fatah won only 30% of the votes.
Iran:
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the “golden-boy of the shia-mullas received 62% of the popular vote. The most moderate Islamic man running for the presidencey of Iran received only less than twenty percent of the vote.
Lebanon:
While one half million hard core Islamists marched for control; only fifty thousand marched for support of democracy.
Pakistan:
70% of Pakistanis in recent polls hold Osama bin Laden in high regard, and the name Osama is the most popular name now for boys. In Pakistan alone there are 60,000 madrassas teaching and preaching fundamentalist Islam. If there are only one teacher and one student in each madrassa — that number alone would account for 60,000 Islamic fundementalists and we all know some of those madrassas have hundreds of students.
Turkey:
Supposedly the most non-radical Islamic state has a Prime Minister, a convicted fellon named, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Recep won the election by a land slide and has said the following concerning Islam:
“Mosques are our barracks, domes are our helmets, minarets our bayonets, and believers our soldiers.” http://greetingsmyson.wordpress.com
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 11:08 AM:
Honestly, Girard, you are too smart to fall for this jingoistic us and them steer manure so I am left wonder about your motives.
I will catch you all later. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 11:04 AM:
Leonard, I’m beginning to think you’re just toying with me.
And I am beginning to think that you are just taunting me. Take a good look at your position. Surely you can see the hypocrisy? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 11:03 AM:
Wow Leonard! Are you just now getting to the point? My rant has been that whatever the 'debate' might be within the Islamic community, very little of that debate has yet to find its way to us. That 'silence' has been deafening.
Hmmm... when the Serbs set up their Rape Camps, did you personally seek out Moslems to let them know that, as a Christian, you were against that sort of thing?
Your double standard is beginning to wear one me. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:58 AM:
If someone, in the 'name' of Christianity, perpetrates murder, genocide, and any other crime - as a Christian I would be standing on top of my home screaming that 1. I DON'T believe in what they are doing; and 2. This is NOT what Christianity is all about.
These crimes are being committed in the 'name' of Islam; we’re told by the radicals themselves that Allah and the Koran DEMAND that they commit these atrocities. If I were a Muslim and did NOT believe this, I could not just sit by and allow my religion to be so viciously perverted.
I have NOT asked, demanded or even suggested that any Muslim ‘apologize’ for anything. I wonder why they don’t condemn what is being done in the name of the religion they believe so deeply in.
Leonard, I’m beginning to think you’re just toying with me. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:53 AM:
Wow Leonard! Are you just now getting to the point? My rant has been that whatever the 'debate' might be within the Islamic community, very little of that debate has yet to find its way to us. That 'silence' has been deafening. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:50 AM:
As a Christian, I should no more have to apologize for the fact that Christian Serbs raped thousands of Bosnian Moslem women and girls than an innocent moslem should have to apologize for Al Queda.
People are responsible for their own actions. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:50 AM:
McCain, in an effort to clear his record regarding his initial opposition to 'Martin Luther King Day' (January 15) in Arizona, made an incredibly pathetic speech admitting just how 'wrong' he was back then. Completely unbelievable. (IMHO)
Hillary, using this soft, gentle, gentile, sweet, loving, concerned, thoughtful, blah, blah, blah voice actually tried to convince those who could take it (and I admit I couldn't take listening to the whole diatribe) that Dr. King was almost like a father to her (my interpretation; not her words). (IMO) (no ‘humbleness’ required)
I don’t respond to Obama’s remarks out of any fear of being labeled ‘racist,’ but because I haven’t yet heard what he has had to say. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:47 AM:
However, as a Christian I certainly DO condemn any destructive, hateful, terror-driven actions by these groups ESPECIALLY if they perpetrate their crimes in the name of Christianity – as these ‘radical’ Muslims proudly pronounce
Really? You have publicly denounced these groups in the same manner that you demand innocent moslems denounce the terrorists????
Well, that certainly places you in a minority. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:45 AM:
" Leonard, ever the doubter ,for Islam it self,http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Islam 1.5 billion
as for the radical element it’s an estimate no more no less.It’s also an estimate
that there are 27 sleeper cells operating in America.
Chuckle.... I see. You did the estimate yourself.
Well, now that I know that, I will evaluate the intel accordingly. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:44 AM:
I am not condemning anyone because of their ‘religion.’ However, if any religion’s basic tenets include the murder of humans; the destruction of societies; or cowardly attacks against anyone, then that ‘religion’ is perverted – and it easily earns my contempt
You do understand that these issues are a matter of debate within the Islamic community, right? "
Gator wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:40 AM:
as for the radical element it’s an estimate no more no less.It’s also an estimate
that there are 27 sleeper cells operating in America. Then you stated I never
knew anyone who reads al-Jazeera,you might give it a shot then you can see
How the American Media makes us look so stupid in the Arab world…
"
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:35 AM:
As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without sin throw the first stone.'
C'mon Leonard - you're smarter than this. First, we're talking about Islam - the actual 'reason' for these terrorists' spreading their bile, hatred, destruction and death. I am NOT Muslim; nor am I Irish, Serbian or Lebanese. However, as a Christian I certainly DO condemn any destructive, hateful, terror-driven actions by these groups ESPECIALLY if they perpetrate their crimes in the name of Christianity – as these ‘radical’ Muslims proudly pronounce.
I am not condemning anyone because of their ‘religion.’ However, if any religion’s basic tenets include the murder of humans; the destruction of societies; or cowardly attacks against anyone, then that ‘religion’ is perverted – and it easily earns my contempt.
I’d write about it; I’d talk about it; if I could I would appear on television to denounce it. This is what I have expected from the ‘peaceful’ members of Islam since before 9/11. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:16 AM:
" I do not consider Radical Islam to be small in numbers, after all they out number the population of the United States
Just curious. Where did you get this statistic from? Did you count them yourself? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:14 AM:
You're grandstanding again Leonard. Do you prefer Islamic Law over the Patriot act?
From Logical Fallacies. Info:
The Fallacy of the False Dilemma
Explanation
The bifurcation fallacy is committed when a false dilemma is presented, i.e. when someone is asked to choose between two options when there is at least one other option available. Of course, arguments that restrict the options to more than two but less than there really are are similarly fallacious.
"
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:11 AM:
I didn't suggest that. Yet it would go a long way if the average, innocent Muslim was to openly 'condemn' the actions of the few who have caused so much death and destruction on this planet
Have you ever taken the time to publicly condemn the Irish Republican Army, the Orthodox Christian Serbian death squads or the Lebanese Druze Christian militia's?
As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without sin throw the first stone. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:08 AM:
Gator he does not take money from the oil companies. He has taken donations from people who work for oil companies. Big difference.
I figured it was something like that. "
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 9:20 AM:
I shudder to think what the upheaval would be if there were just 10,000 Christians running around blowing themselves up and chopping people's heads off. Yet Leonard contends that it is absurd to hold the whole religon of Islam accountable for these 100 million
radicals. "
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 9:15 AM:
They do fail to tell us how many of those followers live in third world conditions and under an oppressive regime. I'm confident that the conditions most Catholics live under is far better than the conditions most Muslims live under. "
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 9:10 AM:
" I do not consider Radical Islam to be small in numbers, after all they out number the population of the United States Now if you consider
that there are over a billion Muslims then 360 million might be small
to you…
I have known how high the percentage is
for a long time. So, that said, perhaps it isn't absurd to hold the entire Muslim religon accountable. In fact, an Islam refirmation is long overdue. LONG OVERDUE! "
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 9:02 AM:
" Holding an entire religion with hundreds of millions of followers responsible for the actions of a small minority is simply absurd. "
That said, all the liberal rants about Timothy Mcveigh and his supposed Radical Christian agenda does not hold a candle to the millions of Muslims who proudly proclaim their radical ideology.
I It's the scale of this comparison. I'd say it's like comparing a baseball to the size of the Earth. "
Gator wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:58 AM:
that there are over a billion Muslims then 360 million might be small
to you…As for Obama it is against the law for major companies to
give directly to a candidate so they have PAC’S and Back door donations. By the way Hillary received over 360 thousand ,kind of
Like the MAFIA giving money to the Catholic Church…
"
Brian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:52 AM:
" Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:40 PM:
The Patriot Act.
Well, I suppose that, if we assume that the goal of the Patriot Act was to erode American Freedom, then yes, it has been a success.
You're grandstanding again Leonard. Do you prefer Islamic Law over the Patriot act? I think not. Overall, our freedoms have not been eroded. And to even much such a statement that our freedoms have been eroded is quite ignorant. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:48 AM:
Actually, I believe it means quite a bit more than ‘squat.’ It shouldn’t, but it does. When we’re bombarded on a daily basis that a recession is ‘looming,’ or that a recession is actually upon us, this creates fear within the hearts of especially those who haven’t prepared for an economic downturn. And it should. Our economic system dictates growth and decline – in a perfect nation those changes would be relatively small, rare and have little, if any, impact on ‘Joe’ American. But this isn’t a perfect nation.
The problem is when ‘recession’ is bantered about to advance one’s political position, e.g., presidential aspirations. Right now it’s to the Democrats advantage that we ‘be’ in a recession. With the war in Iraq proceeding in a positive direction, what was considered to be ‘the’ issue for November is no longer in play. Absent this issue, the next best thing is a poor economy to help assure a Democrat victory – there’s little or nothing left.
So, if we look at the generally-accepted definition of ‘recession,’ and are honest about recognizing one, we are, in fact, NOT in a recession. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:36 AM:
I didn't suggest that. Yet it would go a long way if the average, innocent Muslim was to openly 'condemn' the actions of the few who have caused so much death and destruction on this planet. And if the leadership in the Muslim community were to do the same thing, the impact would be incredible. In the absence of this condemnation non-Muslims are left with little to go on – human imagination often leads to fear; our fear often leads to wrong conclusions; wrong conclusions often leads to violence. I suggest that we could eliminate these three human impulses with information. "
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:32 AM:
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:30 AM:
Me too, but I am also still investing the same amount on the 5th of every month. I love being able to "buy low". "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:27 AM:
As the mortgage crisis became news, it was reported that San Joaquin had the highest number of foreclosures. I am interested in knowing the reason why our county is so disproportionately high in unemployment. What types of jobs have been lost here?
So, what does this mean? Well, I go back to my position on just what did these people expect would happen? Most didn't (and would have never) qualify for a home loan. Home ownership is not a 'guarantee,' nor a 'right.'
Do I feel for these people? Absolutely! And for those who are truly ‘deserving’ of assistance, then it should be provided. ‘Deserving’ are those, who through no fault of their own, are in their current condition. When they signed their names on the mortgage contract they should have known what was in it and if they couldn’t read/understand it on their own, they should have sought counsel to make certain they understood what it contained. I mean, when we agree to borrow in excess of $150,000 (the low end) such a commitment must be soberly and seriously considered. Think about it – just how cavalier are we, as a society, when we gleefully borrow money beyond our means and in many cases beyond the actual value of the house? And after we return from our two-week vacation in Europe (funded by the ‘equity’ loan on our home), we’re greeted with a note from our mortgage lender expecting us to make our first payment. ‘Ignorance’ is rarely, if ever, a defense. Neither is sheer stupidity. If there was any fraud or other illegality present by the lender or others, then redress is through the criminal and civil courts.
Once again, Americans need to grow up and accept responsibility for their own happiness and their actions to achieve that happiness. And yes, it IS that simple. "
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:27 AM:
Take money from the oil companies. "
Gator he does not take money from the oil companies. He has taken donations from people who work for oil companies. Big difference.
He takes my donations and does not asked what I do for living. "
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:24 AM:
" Holding an entire religion with hundreds of millions of followers responsible for the actions of a small minority is simply absurd. "
Well said. "
sam wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:22 AM:
About your muslims remaing silent comment...
I am a blonde yet I do not feel the need to stand up and defend all blondes for all the ridiculous dumb, blonde jokes. I know them not to be true. Maybe not the best analogy, but why should innocent muslims stand up and try to prove they are not terrorists? "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:11 AM:
I didn’t suggest such any such thing. However, when this ‘small minority’ creates death and destruction in such massive proportions in the very name of that religion, condemnation by the ‘majority’ of that faith should be swift, unequivocal and consistent.
Beyond the condemnation, the leadership MUST have the courage to publicly stand against these monsters. If there are not such leaders today, then according to their ‘rules’ they must find new leaders who do possess the courage. ‘Absurd’ is to remain silent. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:07 AM:
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Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:05 AM:
I don't think anyone can argue that the current economy is good. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:03 AM:
Leonard, what would you suggest these 80,000 people do
Well, on the upside, if the lose their homes they can always squat in one of the countless foreclosed houses that now litter the landscape.
What is the unemployment rate for this county? Something like 10%? For their sake, I hope all 80,000 of those people live somewhere else. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 8:00 AM:
Although understandable, I would think that there would be at least 'one' Muslim 'leader' with the courage to take a real stand against these 'few' terrorists who destroy the credibility of ALL. Is their faith not as strong as those who pervert it? There comes a time, in each of our lives, when we must simply do the right thing and stand up. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:56 AM:
I guess they'll all have to do the manly thing and just suck it up. "'
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First, my stand has not been that there aren't problems with the economy. But by definition we are not in a recession. Yet, I just wonder how many of these jobs would not have been lost if not for all the exaggeration and misstatements made during the past six to eight months? And this is a very important distinction and I’d like to view those ‘numbers.’
5.1% - in historical context not very high. No, that’s no consolation to those who lost their jobs. But never, during the course of my lifetime, have there been such incredible resources to assist these folks in retraining and/or finding new jobs. And never, during the course of our nation, have there been so many programs to assist these folks financially.
‘Suck it up?’ Absolutely! Simply by my own experience I am completely justified in suggesting that many Americans haven’t even begun to prepare for their impending retirements; no doubt they’ve done nothing to prepare for the possibility of losing their jobs for whatever other reason. Most of these folks are probably eligible for unemployment insurance payments. No, it’s not a lot; but it’s something. And the new ‘stimulus package’ extends those payments, I believe, for an additional six months. When I became disabled three years ago and collected ‘unemployment,’ I didn’t have the luxury of such an extension – yet I was just as much out of work and money as those are today.
I suggest that before we (the people) help these people beyond the lifelines currently in place, they make some difficult decisions – sell the second, third or fourth vehicle; stop buying the double lattes at Starbucks three times a day; eliminate all of the premium channels on their cable/satellite TVs; stop eating at restaurants every night – actually prepare a meal and sit down with their families; and stop whining.
But most of all follow Dr. Phil’s advice (and I really don’t like McGraw all that much) – if they’re out of a job, then their new ‘job’ is to be out finding a job. If before they lost their job they worked 40 hours a week, then they need to spend 40 hours a week do whatever it takes to become re-employed. The amazing part of the ‘unemployment insurance’ system is that each time a check is received, the recipient must attest by their signature that they have, in fact, been out looking for work. Yet, except in very few instances is there ever any attempt made to validate that they have done just that.
‘Life, Liberty and the ‘Pursuit’ of Happiness’ – this is what is ‘guaranteed’ to each of us. The ‘Pursuit’ is totally and completely our individual responsibility. The quality of the ‘Happiness’ is directly proportionate to how much we really want it.
Leonard, what would you suggest these 80,000 people do? Or better yet, what should ‘we’ do for these people? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:38 AM:
Can you give me your source for this allegation so that I can read about it for myself? "
Gator wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:32 AM:
Take money from the oil companies. … Now it comes to light he does! Now if
that isn’t a lie then what is, The Rev preaching hate for the bad white man for
20 years in his church or did he nod off when that was going on…You can’t have
It both ways. Now I see we are looking into the Muslims Well yes there are many
really fine Muslims ,my brother in law is one, Pakistani, But the good ones aren’t
the problem. with over a “Billion” some 360,000 are of the Radical mind set. It’s
Not our using their oil, it’s the way we live and not just us it’s the western world
It’s our movies ,TV, life style and our religion and a million other things. Their point is they want the whole world under Shira law. Now that you have brought
Tim Mc Veigh into the fold here is a conspiracy theory for you, a book called
The “THE THIRD TERRORIST.”.BY Jayna Davis. An investigative Reporter for KFOR TV. Oklahoma City. You decide… This is going no where, it’s time to
Plant some flowers and mow the lawn…
"
nylodian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:31 AM:
LOL! "
nylodian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:28 AM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:16 AM:
I think this would be a mistake because of all the Republicans that were running, Romney most resembled another Bush term to a lot of voters. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:14 AM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:13 AM:
Okay – I believe many are ‘fearful’ of Muslims not out of prejudice. What has confused me since before 9/11 was if this religion is not based upon hate and terror, why then have the majority of these peaceful Muslims remained so incredibly silent in the wake of all the death and destruction at the hands of this ‘minority’ in the faith? Absent a clear condemnation by the leaders (and members) of Islam, what else are we to conclude?
Hmmm.... I wonder whether you would have told homosexuals the same thing about Christians during the wave of homophobic terrorism in the 90's that culminated with the Eric Rudolph bombing gay nightclubs in Atlanta.
Did Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson ever condemn those attacks? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:10 AM:
I guess they'll all have to do the manly thing and just suck it up. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 4, 2008 7:09 AM:
Sam, please permit me a little humor; is a ‘terriorist’ a new breed of small dog; or someone who really likes Terri[e]rs? Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Okay – I believe many are ‘fearful’ of Muslims not out of prejudice. What has confused me since before 9/11 was if this religion is not based upon hate and terror, why then have the majority of these peaceful Muslims remained so incredibly silent in the wake of all the death and destruction at the hands of this ‘minority’ in the faith? Absent a clear condemnation by the leaders (and members) of Islam, what else are we to conclude?
Since 9/11 I have listened to just what I’ve stated above from many Americans – the ‘silence’ in response has been deafening. "
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:50 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:46 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:43 PM:
Thanks for the chuckle. "
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:41 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:40 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:37 PM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:34 PM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:30 PM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:28 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:28 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:28 PM:
you gave me a chuckle...thanks. "
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:26 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:26 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:26 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:25 PM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:20 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:18 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:12 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:11 PM:
I don't like to turn this around, but what the heck. Sam, since you are a Republican supporting Obama, please give me your reasons for not backing McCain. "
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:09 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 9:03 PM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:53 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:52 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:47 PM:
Cogito wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:44 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:42 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:30 PM:
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:23 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:16 PM:
Peace out. "
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:14 PM:
" http://www.conservativebookclub.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=C7211&sour_cd=CEE079501
Why environmentalists are the environment's worst enemy. "
I have no idea what the purpose of this post is, but can I add to the list?
All available at Amazon.com:
"The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster"
"People Who Don't Know They're Dead"
"How Green Were the Nazis"
Just because some nutjob has published a book does not make anything true. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:09 PM:
I am literally paying for the fact that Brian doesn't have health insurance for himself or his family.
At least under Obama's plan, Brian would have to chip in.
Come to think of it, perhaps that is why he opposes it. "
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:09 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:07 PM:
I don't know what that means but I thought I would point it out. "
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:06 PM:
Well just think is Obama is elected, Brian, you will finally have healthcare for your family. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:06 PM:
Leonard, A matter of scale you say??How about a bald face lie,
You completely lost me. What is a bald faced lie? "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:04 PM:
The Patriot Act.
Well, I suppose that, if we assume that the goal of the Patriot Act was to erode American Freedom, then yes, it has been a success. "
Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:02 PM:
" Brian, Obama's healthcare plan does not mandate coverage, except for children. Where are you getting your McFacts?
Voter, that's a rhetorical answer.
It's still mandated and all taxpayers have to foot the bill even if they don't get gov. healthcare. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:02 PM:
McCain has never voted for pork barrel spending.
Except for when he voted to $10 million on the Rhenquist Center at University of Arizona or when he pushed for and got $14.3 million for Luke AFB in Arizona, money which the Airforce had not requested .
No, McCain has never voted for pork barrel spending unless the pork was being spent in his state. "
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:02 PM:
Gator wrote on Apr 3, 2008 8:01 PM:
holy one doesn’t do that, yeah right!! I never thought about this but does he
cast a shadow?? Here is a little tid-bit from al Jazeera that might be of some
interest boy’s and girl’s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g&eurlhttp://www.google.com/
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Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:59 PM:
Regarding your post.
I don't consider anything reported by the NYT as credible. Especially when it comes to reporting accurate information
on a Republican. "
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:58 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:56 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:55 PM:
I think Romney will be the VP on the McCain ticket.
I doubt it. From what I've read, McCain detests Romney, as did most of the other candidates in the primary.
Besides, if McCain has any plans to go after Obamas pastor, adding Romney to the ticket would scuttle those attempts. "
voter wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:52 PM:
" In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Even Arizona lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Flake (R), said he was planning to “lean against the measure.” The National Taxpayers Union, another traditional McCain ally, questioned why the senator was making federal taxpayers foot the center." "
Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:49 PM:
Sam, I'll find something other that the MSM. Read this for now. "
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:46 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:45 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:44 PM:
If you want to talk bad about him, just make sure you can verify your accusations. "
Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:43 PM:
Why environmentalists are the environment's worst enemy. "
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:42 PM:
Please show me where he did this. "
Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:40 PM:
The Patriot Act. "
WY wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:32 PM:
Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:31 PM:
What a balanced team it will be. McCain, the expert on foreign affairs. And Romney, the expert on economics.
That won't keep the libs from trying to find some hatespeech within the Mormon church equivalent to Wright's. They'll swear they have something on Romney.
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Brian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:24 PM:
voted with his heart on this one. He is anti-gun. Leonard is pro-gun. Obama voted dozens of times for pork barrel spending. McCain has never voted for pork barrel spending. Hillary voted over 200 times for pork barrel spending.
Obama's campaign is unravelling at the seams. But that won't keep those who worship him from throwing money into that sinkhole. "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:16 PM:
Bush get’s slammed for ties to big oil but the second coming gets
a pass I guess that’s what you mean by fair and balanced, yeah right!!
I think it is a matter of scale. "
Gator wrote on Apr 3, 2008 6:51 PM:
and then he does what would you call that but a big lie and he has been bought
and paid for…Bush get’s slammed for ties to big oil but the second coming gets
a pass I guess that’s what you mean by fair and balanced, yeah right!! "
Gator wrote on Apr 3, 2008 6:39 PM:
4 years in the Navy and the rest in construction as I write this my net worth is
around ¾ of a million and change and now I do as I please. I listen to people
complain about how bad it is and in truth we have never had it so good. This
all could change depending on who is the next President. From what is see we
Could be in a bit of a pinch. A lot of people seem to think Obama is the second
Coming,yeah right!! I think the skeletons in his closet will take him down, then
You have Hillary, what’s to say?? And then Father time,yeah right!! Obama said
He didn’t take money from big, oil yeah right…Could be very interesting…I
Wonder what the Vegas odd’s makers have on it… "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 6:23 PM:
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Sen. Obama has received over $160,000 from the oil and gas companies.
I am not quite sure where you are going with this. The oil industry doesn't even make it into the top 20 list of industry donors for Obama (it is #17 for McCain, right ahead of Accountants). "
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 6:14 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 6:09 PM:
As far as Hillary staying in the race will hurt the party, I personally think if "the party" aligns itself more with candidates rather than the policies and issues they BOTH should represent, the party is in trouble to begin with.
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Gator wrote on Apr 3, 2008 5:08 PM:
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sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 4:57 PM:
Nope... my house... no Bunnies on the Barbie. "
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 4:51 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 4:25 PM:
I'm not surprised. Yet from there the 'average family' then has the option of disposing of their debt through bankruptcy (Chapters 7 or 13); although the rules have changed considerably in favor of creditors. Again, allow the system to run its course.
To offset part of the economic problem with the government, adjust (increase) the fees required to file for bankruptcy.
However, NEVER bail out the lenders or the borrowers. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 4:21 PM:
Okay then - I'll just 'prepare' them here and bring them along pre-prepared. Neener neener right back at ya!! "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 4:19 PM:
Absolutely! But they shouldn't shoulder the burden of bailing out those to whom they loaned that money; nor should the government.
What would be wrong with allowing the process to take its normal course? That is, allow the foreclosure; the lender resells the home; the lender then decides if it is worth suing the original borrower if the lender does not recoup all that was loaned originally. If the home cannot be resold, the lender absorbs the loss. If it can resell the home, the process begins anew. What's the problem??!!?? "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 4:12 PM:
No thank you, I should say. "'
Wait one moment. I know for a certainty that the Constitution of the United States guarantees my right to BBQ bunnies at any and all BBQs held in the State of California between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2008. To deny me this basic of all civil rights is just reprehensible. I am offended!! Power to the (edible) Bunnies!!! "
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:51 PM:
Leonard wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:50 PM:
I think Hillary has the right to stay in the race as long as she and her supporters want.
Its not her right but rather her reason that I question. At this point, especially after her defeat in Texas, it is pretty near a statistical impossibility that she can beat Obama in either the popular vote or the delegate count.
That means that the only way she can get the nomination is if the Super-Delegates overturn the will of the voters and appoint her the nominee. I think we can all agree that would be bad. "
scout wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:20 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:18 PM:
scout wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:18 PM:
scout wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:16 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:14 PM:
Okay y'all throw your rotten fruit at me, I'm ready. :p "
scout wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:12 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:10 PM:
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:09 PM:
scout wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:04 PM:
scout wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:03 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 3:00 PM:
sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 2:52 PM:
He is NOT against my right to own a gun.
Obama said there are “two realities to gun culture in this country,” a rural tradition of hunting and “self-protection” and the “reality of urban crime and guns used to initiate violence.”
“I think we can respect the traditions of the former while dealing with the problems of the latter,” said Obama,
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sam wrote on Apr 3, 2008 2:40 PM:
No thank you, I should say. "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 2:04 PM:
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 2:03 PM:
Yes, indeed - what to do?
This very issue may very well define 'true leadership' potential amongst the White House contenders. I'm going to sit back and just watch how this plays out. As Leonard stated, this is a 'pickle.'
(Leonard, was that you on the corner of Lodi Avenue and Hutchins Street trying to get me to buy a sandwich at Mr. Pickles?) "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 1:59 PM:
The Clintons demanding that someone tell the truth!! This is the truest definition of 'hypocrisy' I've ever read. Every dictionary on the planet should be updated to reflect this as the official definition.
(http://newsmax.com/insidecover/Richardson_Obama_/2008/04/03/85197.html) "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 1:54 PM:
Actually I did vote for Arnold.
My ire against Hollywood has been ongoing. I have nothing against them earning millions of dollars for a movie; they're entitled to receive what the market bears.
It was during an interview with Phil Donahue the other evening that got me rankled again. His obvious ignorance of military requirements and procedures concerned me because he came across with such authority and passion about something he knew absolutely nothing about. Yet, simply because he is (actually ‘was’) a celebrity, there is a significant percentage of the population that equates his celebrity status with genuine knowledge of whatever comes out of his mouth. To some degree this ends up with a misinformed electorate – and that bothers me. And I’ve witnessed this over and over again for many years regarding too many celebrities. "
nylodian wrote on Apr 3, 2008 1:53 PM:
Leonard: You GOTTA love the Nuge!
I am on the fence with the gov't bailing out foreclosures. Like McCain said, stupidity shouldn't be rewarded, but I agree with Leonard that the "suck it" principle will effect everyone, including those of us who are fiscally responsible. What to do.... "
girard74 wrote on Apr 3, 2008 1:40 PM:
I've played by the rules my entire life. As a result I'm eligible to receive my Social Security benefits at what I consider to be a generous rate (compared to others). But I wasn't responsible enough to prepare for my life for the condition it is in now. Because&#