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Credentials for home school parents — what's next?

Updated: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:30 AM PDT
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The truth behind this latest storm suggesting the requirement of state approved teaching credentials for all home schooling parents has more to do with financial gain and control on the part of those individuals and/or entities fostering the dilemma and less to do with sincere educational concerns.

To the proponents of such, I ask: What's next? Will a credentialed parent who allows a child to pray openly in their own home become fodder for fine and punishment? Will a credentialed parent who allows the display of an American flag or recites the Pledge of Allegiance in its entirety within the walls of their own home be risking a call to court?

Dear God, I question, are we not teetering on the cusp of communism? Should I worry that someone who finds my heavenly query offensive may be listening? Absolutely not. Pad your backsides, boys, there's a "post-pride" fall a festerin'.

So, keep those bright ideas rolling, all you governors and judges of self righteous and egotistical rule, then one day ponder how our precious country, once considered so free and brave, became known throughout the world as a land of the fee and the home of the depraved.

Jeffrey Yeley
Lodi

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 24, 2008 9:53 AM:

" AJ - Not sure how old you are, but I bet you, your papa, and your granddad got whacked if they caught you doing something wrong. No longer. And your granddad probably said a few prayers and saluted the flag every day too. That was how they kept the kids in line. They kicked out discipline and prayer, and now this is what we have. And when they make women get procreation credentials, I will support home schooling credentials. "

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AJ wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:54 PM:

" So basically any adult that knows enough to procreate also knows how to give their child a proper education?! Yeah, that inspires a lot of faith in our future. Look, I went to the so called "pit of vice" and I am proud of it. It was good enough for my grandparents, parents, and one day my kids. I know there are always different situations that occur with each generation but it's stuff that you have to learn to deal with, without mommy holding your hand, or this world will eat you alive. "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 19, 2008 2:01 PM:

" daniel: no harm done here. Blog on! :) "

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danielh wrote on Mar 19, 2008 1:26 PM:

" nylodian: I sincerely hope we can both enjoy posting in these comment columns. Sometimes after I have a misunderstanding like this, I think that I know people better, afterward. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 19, 2008 1:24 PM:

" nylodian: I appreciate your acceptance so much. At this present time, I think that is the most important thing.

I e-mailed the LNS recommending they make provisions for people to delete their own work, because once someone clicks "Post Comment" and they realize it was a mistake. Woops. too late.

They said I could have e-mailed the editor and asked for a deletion; but, I thought that would have been rather cowardly to refuse to admit that I had typed such a thing. I thought better to post a public appology alongside my own post. "

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sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:40 PM:

" WY, wtf is your guy. I bet he can find your missing monkey . "

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WY wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:53 PM:

" Now if wtf can find the monkey pitching for the weiner dog, we're in BIZ! "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:24 PM:

" At 3:11 pm, I erroneously included the text 'Let's settle this at the ballot box!' within a post regarding expressing my thanks to other contributors on this blog.

As I 'hop' around from blog to blog inserting my [often unsolicited] opinions, I usually transfer my thoughts to a separate program that allows me to check not only the structure of what I have written, but other factual matters as well.

That statement 'somehow' got attached to what I had intended to post here.

If nothing else, I apologize for any confusion it might bring, although no one has brought this to my attention. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Let's settle this at the ballot box!

wtf - sam provided me with the YouTube link to an incredible wiener-dog video that you turned her on to. Thanks! "

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sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:12 PM:

" You are very welcome.

Thank wtf too... he found it. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Sam - I gotta get one of those!! What a hoot!! 'Jerry' is also very après pos!!

Thanks for that!! Really made my day. "

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sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:26 PM:

" G, brief interruption.

wtf posted this for me to see.
YOU GOTTA check it out. It screams G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk&eurl=http://gizmodo.com/
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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:56 PM:

" nylodian wrote, 'girard: I liked your 9:16 post. In my case it's sometimes also caused by caffeine deficiency, lol. :)'

Nylodian, since I've been here and reading your thoughts and opinions, you have yet to be included in the intent of that post. To date, there are but three contributors here who reflect my sentiments stated at 9:16 am today. (IMHO) |:-) "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:51 PM:

" girard: I liked your 9:16 post. In my case it's sometimes also caused by caffeine deficiency, lol. :) "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:49 PM:

" daniel: no hard feelings, but boy howdy, you came at me quick there! ;) "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Actually 'quickly rectified' (as I presented the concept) refers to the mistake or error, once corrected and/or apologized for (regardless of how much time elapses) is then 'quickly' accepted by the aggrieved as satisfaction for the mistake or error.

Words are funny things. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Girard: Yes, "quickly rectified," means as quickly as possible. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:42 AM:

" girard74: The tool that you described is honorable if it is in response to a previous offer.

Thus when someone "accepts an offer," which is purported to be a threat to ones reputation, it is valid if it is returned as a mirror image of the original presentment.

If someone gets these responses, maybe they are making offers.

Example: By notary, not in court, someone could agree to pay a traffic citation, subject to conditions which pertain to jurisdiction. If someone understands this, they can request the court show that the legalese used in the law applies to the presented situation. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:30 AM:

" There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding my 9:16 post. It was not in reference to remarks that are stated in haste and then retracted. These things simply 'happen' and are quickly rectified by the appropriate apology or correction. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Lodian: Once again, reading more, I now see that you saw my appology also.

I wish this column could provide for us to edit our own posts.

In the Stockron Record, if noone responds to a post, the original author can edit their own remark. Once someone responds to it, though, it's committed. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Lodian: Yeah. Please notice that I posted an appology also.

Also, if you read one post, without reading the other, perhaps you can understand that there is an implication, which she retracted. I reacted before I saw the retraction. "

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Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:54 AM:

" girard74 9:16 AM: Well said!

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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:16 AM:

" What’s interesting on these boards is when individuals make certain claims and either ‘wager’ their reputations or make claims regarding their confidence in their stance on an issue insisting that there is no possibility that they are in error or that someone else may be correct. While it makes no difference in reality, my concern is when they find themselves in these contradictory situations, rather than admit or accept their error or mistake, they either ignore the matter completely or alter the basis of the argument to better suit their original assertion. It’s either arrogance or insecurity. (IMHO) "

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Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:23 AM:

" I see that you noticed it too. "

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Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:21 AM:

" danielh: You're jumpin the gun there with nylodian. "

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Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:20 AM:

" girard74: Great posts! (3:10pm & 2:26pm) "

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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:20 AM:

" nylodian: I take a lot of attacks in this newspaper, and I have to defend myself a lot.

My knowledge of government ownership of people is recently-learned.

I was always aware of Hillary's book. I only thought it was a theory, and her goal for her vision of government.

Actually, it is already real.

I am still trying to decide if ownership started in the Lincoln administration, or in FDR's.

I appreciate your statement. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:16 AM:

" nylodian: WOW! My appologies. I guess you saw something in your own post, the same as I did.

I sincerely hope you can accept my appology.

I just read:

'nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:24 PM:
" daniel: to clarify my last post to you, meaning the government's ownership of it's people- not people calling you crazy! ;) "
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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:12 AM:

" nylodian: I see your disrespect down there. I accept the disrespect, and the feeling is mutual.

Additionally, I don't think you are so well gifted with high authority, to qualify yourself to make judgements of other people, like you do. Good luck with that. I once made judgements of people like you, and I wasn't able to find a way to be happy with that characteristic trait. Let me know if you are able to find peace and serenity with your usage of it. I'd be interested to know how you canMakeItWork. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:54 PM:

" OTH suggested, 'girard74 you oviously haven't been hit with a fire hose. Believe me passion is the last thing on your mind.'

You're right, I haven't. I was just attempting to find the lighter side to such an ordeal!!! "

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OTH wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:17 PM:

" girard74 you oviously haven't been hit with a fire hose. Believe me passion is the last thing on your mind. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Then Cogito, we're on pretty much the same level of agreement. "

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Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Girard, I refer to my own 5:15 comment. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:54 PM:

" Cogito asked, 'Almost everyone who home schools has been a student themselves, and it's really only about the student. Isn't it?'

I am in agreement that overextension of the government in ANY endeavor of an individual is in violation of our basic rights. Unfortunately, in recent years I have witnessed more of a decline in 'family values' (IMHO) (relevant since the teaching is in the ‘home’), rather than an increase in the discipline necessary by both the teacher and the student; that then would leave me to believe that home schooling’s ultimate success does require some form of oversight. "

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Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:05 PM:

" If you think about it Girard, the overwhelming majority of what we learn, we learn through our own curiosity. Teachers can only be our guides, they cannot make us learn what they want us to. They also cannot stop us from learning what we want to. I really believe that a person can achieve a higher quality of education from being home schooled, than being another fish in the pond of public education. Almost everyone who home schools has been a student themselves, and it's really only about the student. Isn't it? "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:52 PM:

" Trackback stated, 'Interestingly enough, I was taught by parents with absolutely no teaching credentials whatsoever. As it is, I feel I am doing quite well now. I never had to take any standardized tests to see how I was doing, I never was compared to my peers in private or public schools, and yet I still managed to succeed. So it seems like this is much ado about what shouldn't even be an issue.'

I would suggest in absence of empirical evidence to the contrary, you are likely the exception, rather than the rule. "

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Trackback wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:08 PM:

" Interestingly enough, I was taught by parents with absolutely no teaching credentials whatsoever. As it is, I feel I am doing quite well now. I never had to take any standardized tests to see how I was doing, I never was compared to my peers in private or public schools, and yet I still managed to succeed. So it seems like this is much ado about what shouldn't even be an issue. "

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Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:15 PM:

" Robb, I agree that we need some kind of oversight, such as periodic testing, to make sure home schoolers are staying on par with their public school counterparts. That should be an easy pace to maintain. I knew a woman who was obviously incapable of schooling her kids, but was doing so because she didn't want her kids "learnin that we come from monkeys". The ironic thing was that her family made a strong case for just that scenario. In her case, the monkeys would probably object. "

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Robb wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Are you Freaking Kidding Me???

I am telling you, I have seen morons teaching their children..... At least some type of credential might weed out a few... Do you remember Deliverance??

I am afraid the Monkeys will be back soon!! "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:25 PM:

" daniel: to clarify my last post to you, meaning the government's ownership of it's people- not people calling you crazy! ;) "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:22 PM:

" cogito: Excellent post at 3:11! I agree with others that the Bible, first written at least a century after Christ's death, with no surviving original manuscript, and which has been translated and edited, etc. over the centuries, should not be taken as a literal document. Having said that, I believe it doesn't take away from the divinity of the message and teachings within it. "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:16 PM:

" daniel: I think that ship sailed long before Hillary ever wrote that book. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:52 PM:

" Cogito: Does anyone remember Hillary Clinton's book, "It takes a village to raise a child"?

She gave fair warning that the government owns people, from the moment of birth, until death.

10 years ago, when I said Hillary's philosophy is ownership of people, everyone thought I was crazy.
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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Tom Carlson: No. I'm showing you that the bible is not to be taken literally.

I mentioned "day" because it pertains to the world's spin.

Taking the bible literally is self-defeating, since the definition of "day" requires the existence of a spinning earty, before it is created. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:30 PM:

" OTH wrote, 'parishioner if 2 students are caught having sex in the bathroom you hose them down with a fire hose and I'll guarantee you they won't do it again. Their friends will think twice as well.'

I'm not so sure. It sounds like this kind of activity might increase their excitement levels. Their friends might think about replicating their behavior, rather than running away. A tad tawdry, I know - but I couldn't resist. "

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Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:25 PM:

" What's disturbing here is that the government is taking away parental rights. Our country wasn't founded on the idealism that the government has the right to run your life as it sees fit. That's the idealism our founding fathers were escaping. This kind of thing needs nipping in the bud NOW! We can't let our government tell us how we raise our children. Who are they to make that decision. This is the stuff of revolution. "

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Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Tom, when the Bible was translated from ancient Hebrew, there were only 3500 words in the entire language. The word for "day" was "yom". Yom also meant era, epoch, age, and other time periods not related to 24 hours. Modern English has hundreds of thousands of words, and day still has two meanings: 24 hours, and when the sun is shining. I don't think God, The Creator of all the cosmos, sets his watch on how long it takes our insignificant little blue marble to rotate once around on its axis. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Tom Carlson - As I've already been in Biblical 'discussions' on this board recently, I’m hesitant to go too far with this. However, it is certainly possible to believe that God created the universe in 6 of 'our' days. But who's to say that He didn't do in 6 of 'His' days? With God EVERYTHING is possible. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Honest Injun asked, 'What does any of this have to do with the original letter?'

Actually, if the thread is followed, there is, in a weird sort of way, always a connection to the original thought. I haven't seen you here, but that doesn't mean much - however if you ARE new, you'll find that this occurs often. My suggestion? Jump in and enjoy the water! "

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:06 PM:

" girard74 - with all due respect to those theologians, if God meant to say something other than a term we understand, He would have. While we are not meant to understand all His ways, His words are always true. So when he says for us to rest on the seventh day, am I supposed to rest for "billions and billions" of years? Why is it so hard for people to believe that God could not create everything in 6 days? What part of Omnipotent don't they get? "

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HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:04 PM:

" What does any of this have to do with the original letter? "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Tom Carlson - with all due respect, theologians in general agree that the definition of a 'day' as it is used in Genesis is 'probably' not as we now determine a 'day' being 24 hours (the time it takes for the earth to rotate once). I used the word 'probably' because as with all things regarding God, we do not know everything - we aren't meant to. "

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:22 PM:

" danielh - are you pulling a Bill Clinton and asking what the definition of IS is? A day is a day. Now, why don't you ask what "created in His image" means? If evolution THEORY says we evolved from pond scum bacteria, is pond scum bacteria God's image. I think not. So, is the bible lying about God's image, or is evolution wrong about us starting out as pond scum? Are those two things in opposition? When school teachers say we evolved from pond scum, they call God a liar. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:05 PM:

" Girard: The following website compares birth certificates to warehouse receipts:

http://www.mainemediaresources.com/mpl_birthcert.htm

The article is entitled, "Structure of the Birth Certificate
Did the State Pledge Your Body to a Bank?"


Reference to a magnification of a birth certificate: "Some birth and marriage certificates are now "warehouse receipts," printed on banknote paper, which may mark you and yours as 'chattel' property of the banks that our government borrows from every day.
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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:58 PM:

" Girard: I was looking for "warehouse receipt." Now, I'll have to do some research. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:57 PM:

" girard: OK. You looked it up.

Notice in definition #4, "A document certifying ownership," it does not state who is the owner, or who possesses the title.

From Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Edition:

"A document in use in the English customhouse....

A ticket.
A warrant.
A written assurance, or official representation, that some act has or has not been done, or some event occurred, or some legal formality been complied with.
A written assurance made or issuing from some court, and designed as a notice of things done therein, or as a warrant or authority, to some other court judge, or officer."


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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Tom Carlson: How could there be the first day before the earth and sun are created? "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Tom Carlson: If you take the words of the bible for their literal statement, and not for their meaning, then you have conflict.

Darwin theory is not in conflict with the meaning of the bible. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:30 PM:

" Tom wrote, ‘The bible says God created the heavens, earth, and man in His own image. And he did it in 6 days.’

Tom, how would you determine what ‘6 days’ is in Biblical terms? "

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:29 PM:

" nylodian I am not threatened by science. I love science. But the THEORY of evolution as taught in public schools is in direct opposition to the bible. The bible says God created the heavens, earth, and man in His own image. And he did it in 6 days. Evolution THEORY says there was a big bang where everything sprang into being from nothing, and by accident and chance life began. That is not science. It is folley. God could have used evolution, but He says he did it in 6 days. "

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nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Tom: how does the theory of evolution equate to no God? I don't see how evolution can't fit into God's divine plan.

If you feel threatened by science then either homeschool or enroll in a private religious school.

If Creationism should be taught in public schools, then so should Pastafarianism. It's only fair.



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nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Going back to the letter: I have no problem with parents home schooling as long as they adhere to the curriculum so that their kids perform at same (or higher) grade level as their peers.

I think this boils down to the state losing ADA $$$ to homeschoolers, and finding a way to make more $$$ by requiring the parents to get a credential.

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:14 PM:

" (http://legal-
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/certificate)

A written document that is official
verification that a condition or
requirement has, or has not, been met.

A written assurance issued from a court
that is notification to another
officer, judge, or court of procedures
practiced therein.

A document (such as a birth certificate)
prepared by an official during the
course of his or her regular duties, and
which may be used as evidence for
certain purposes.

A document certifying that one has
fulfilled certain requirements and may
practice in a field.

A stock certificate is a paper
representing a share of stock in a
corporation that has been purchased by
its holder. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:09 PM:

" cer·tif·i·cate (sər-tĭf'ĭ-kĭt) Pronunciation Key n.

1. A document testifying to the truth of something: a certificate of birth. OR

2. A document issued to a person completing a course of study not leading to a diploma. OR

3. A document certifying that a person may officially practice in certain professions. OR

4. A document certifying ownership. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:03 PM:

" OTH: I am not wrong.

You might find me guilty of not dotting i's or crossing t's, but I have too much at stake to ever get caught being wrong on the central theme of my statements.

I suggest you look up "certificate" in a legal dictionary. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:01 PM:

" OTH: I feared an intelligent question. Instead, all I got was "wrong wrong wrong." I am disappointed in you. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:00 PM:

" OTH: Were you born in the United States? Is not a birth certificate on file, certifying the existence of a title of ownership over you?

My birth certificate is printed "Midwest Bank Note Company." I just got two of them, and the sheet of paper is actually serialized.

Although I didn't say that the Birth Certificate is money, it might be true.

Next, I'll suppose that you want to know how much money it's worth.

I have heard twice that Mexico is honest. They print a monetary amount of value on all the birth certificates.
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HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Let's not forget there is a distinct difference between what is conspiracy theory and what is fact.
Mr. Yeley's letter is right on. The facts are before us if not yet entirely recognized. Bottom line, this state/country wants its money and its control, and "Proper Education" as a justifiable concern is nowhere close to the factual truth. "

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HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Such instances are abominable and should in no way ever be excused or condoned. Please keep in mind it does not take a genius to make a baby. And, yes, the good ol' days of Lincoln are definitely gone. Too, our parents' public schools are history as well and it is disheartening. Beneath watchful eyes covered, it seems a trade has been made. Pencils for pistols and crayons for crack pipes. "

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OTH wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:29 AM:

" danielh wrong, wrong, wrong,wrong. I recently sent for a copy of my birth certificate because all I had was one issued by the Birth Registry when I was born.

No where on mine does it say "Bank Note." Also it is not printed on paper one could use for money. Maybe funny money but not our legal tender.

parishioner if 2 students are caught having sex in the bathroom you hose them down with a fire hose and I'll guarantee you they won't do it again. Their friends will think twice as well. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM:

" Girard: "Honest Abe" was not honest. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:40 AM:

" HONEST INJUN wrote, 'All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.'

Oh, I know I'm going to draw flak on this one. Perhaps Lincoln had an 'angel mother,' but lately moms have been getting a bad(?) rap. Drowning of kids; left in cars to fry; abandonment stats WAY up, etc., etc. Things have changed since Honest Abe was a kid. "

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HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Gone are the days when a child's worst fear of school was a pop quiz or missed lines in a recital. Today's children are facing far worse on a daily basis. To say that a home-schooled child will lack proper social skills is laughable. Check the news. Contraband, gang signs/colors, paraphernalia, bullies packing pistols, bomb threats...those home-schooled children are really missing out on a lot, aren't they?
I, for one, agree with what Abraham Lincoln once said: "All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother".

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Tom Carlson wrote, 'Girard74 there is accountablity, it is the mandatory state testing they have to do. And if I am not mistaken, if they don't pass, they have to go to a school. I am not a homeschool expert, but I believe this is the case. The issue is not safety, education, or concern for the child, it is control of the thought process of the future generations.'

I suppose one could think that before waiting for the results of the state tests, it would be good to make sure that they are being taught adequately.

I’m just interjecting other possibilities. "

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Girard74 there is accountablity, it is the mandatory state testing they have to do. And if I am not mistaken, if they don't pass, they have to go to a school. I am not a homeschool expert, but I believe this is the case. The issue is not safety, education, or concern for the child, it is control of the thought process of the future generations. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:20 AM:

" The credentially requirement equates to approximately 2 years of work to obtain. Basically, the courts are taking the child out of the home. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 AM:

" edumacation: The alternative teaching credentials are liened with obligations.

Emergency credential: The teacher must enroll into a teacher credential program within 1 year.

Preliminary credential: This is almost a complete credential. 3 courses are still required. ???computer skills, student health, federal special education???

Intern: A school district sponsors an education program at a local credentialling school. They can hire someone with the stipulation that they enroll in that program. "

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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:11 AM:

" The cute commercials of attentive moms teaching their kids at the dining table during home schooling belie the underlying problem that not all "home schools" come close to teaching even the fundamentals required to exist and compete in this nation.

Sure, I'm just as concerned with the apparent ignorance of kids who receive their diplomas from public schools - just watching Jay Leno's 'Street Walking' as he asks college 'graduates' questions that should be answered by sixth graders.

Yet, there must be accountability. The future of our nation (not to mention our children) depends upon it. "

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edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:03 AM:

" Many of our public schools are dangerous places for children. It borders on child abuse to send your child to some of these schools. "

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edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:01 AM:

" You have a point. But, the main issue is CONTROL by the state. Who has responsibility for parenting kids, parents or the government? The other issue you brought up concerns the FACT that a clear professional teaching credential is NOT required to teach in public schools. There are so many waivers and exemptions that it is meaningless. What is the difference between an "emergency credential", intern certificate, preliminary and professional clear? All of these are buzzwords related to the "Edu-Ocracy" not teaching our kids. Private schools are NOT required to have credentialed teachers. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Has anyone ever noticed that their certificates are all printed on bank note paper?

Check the fine print around the border. If an official certificate is new, I assure anyone who checks that it'll say "bank note."

I have already checked my marriage and birth certificates.

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:21 AM:

" ...addendum: "The parents agreed" when they applied for permission to marry.

When the child was born, the parents provided an "application for live birth," which eventually was handled at the Dept of Commerce, and then Treasury. The child was "bonded-up," and the bond(s) was/were hypothecated for possible lifetime production, and the bond sold. "

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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Jeffrey Yeley: Yes. In a communist regime, home schooling does not indoctrinate the state-owned child for service to the state. Biological parents don't do it right.

The federal govt came into ownership of the child when the parents agreed to register the child's birth.

The parents agreed their marriage was property of the state, and all proceeds of the marriage (children), were property also.

The state is merely asserting its right of ownership of the children.

What's wrong with that? If we had children, wouldn't we want the best of family values for our child, also? "

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parishioner wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:00 AM:

" I'm really curious about the quote below... how is a school with metal detectors and students having sex in the bathroom any safer than a home? "

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parishioner wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Leslie Heimov, executive director of the Children's Law Center of Los Angeles, said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MNJDVF0F1.DTL&hw=Heimov&sn=001&sc=1000 "

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:24 AM:

" The state wants to control the thought process of the kids. Gay is OK in public schools. Individual "rights" trump morality. The "common" good of the state and your loyalty to the state is more important than familiy. This ruling is an attempt to show the kids that they can and will control the parents who dare to stand up to the state. A very powerful message is being delivered. And finally, it is a financial play. The financing formula at schools counts attendance. The public school loses revenue from homeschooling. "

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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:19 AM:

" Commonsense you are wrong. This is a powerplay by the state against religion. The majority of homeschool children are held out of public school by their religious parents because public school is a filthy pit of vice and the parents cannot afford private schools. The teachings and forced practices of public schools are contrary to the bible (evolution = there is no God). The state insists that all rights come from it. The right to teach your child is granted by the state. This is the message the state is sending. (cont) "

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commonsense wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:55 AM:

" I can not agree will the jest here. It is not over financial gain, it is over the facts that many home school parents are not qualified to teach the children at home. Students need to be involved socially in school to grow socially,not only with their peers, but with interactions of adults. Not only not being credential, these students are not receiving a well rounded education. The only push with home instruction is another push for vouchers, using my tax money. "

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