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Credentials for home school parents — what's next?
Monday, March 17, 2008 6:30 AM PDT
The truth behind this latest storm suggesting the requirement of state approved teaching credentials for all home schooling parents has more to do with financial gain and control on the part of those individuals and/or entities fostering the dilemma and less to do with sincere educational concerns.
To the proponents of such, I ask: What's next? Will a credentialed parent who allows a child to pray openly in their own home become fodder for fine and punishment? Will a credentialed parent who allows the display of an American flag or recites the Pledge of Allegiance in its entirety within the walls of their own home be risking a call to court?
Dear God, I question, are we not teetering on the cusp of communism? Should I worry that someone who finds my heavenly query offensive may be listening? Absolutely not. Pad your backsides, boys, there's a "post-pride" fall a festerin'.
So, keep those bright ideas rolling, all you governors and judges of self righteous and egotistical rule, then one day ponder how our precious country, once considered so free and brave, became known throughout the world as a land of the fee and the home of the depraved.
Jeffrey Yeley
Lodi
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Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 24, 2008 9:53 AM:
AJ wrote on Mar 20, 2008 12:54 PM:
nylodian wrote on Mar 19, 2008 2:01 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 19, 2008 1:26 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 19, 2008 1:24 PM:
I e-mailed the LNS recommending they make provisions for people to delete their own work, because once someone clicks "Post Comment" and they realize it was a mistake. Woops. too late.
They said I could have e-mailed the editor and asked for a deletion; but, I thought that would have been rather cowardly to refuse to admit that I had typed such a thing. I thought better to post a public appology alongside my own post. "
sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:40 PM:
WY wrote on Mar 18, 2008 8:53 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 4:24 PM:
As I 'hop' around from blog to blog inserting my [often unsolicited] opinions, I usually transfer my thoughts to a separate program that allows me to check not only the structure of what I have written, but other factual matters as well.
That statement 'somehow' got attached to what I had intended to post here.
If nothing else, I apologize for any confusion it might bring, although no one has brought this to my attention. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 3:11 PM:
wtf - sam provided me with the YouTube link to an incredible wiener-dog video that you turned her on to. Thanks! "
sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 2:12 PM:
Thank wtf too... he found it. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:35 PM:
Thanks for that!! Really made my day. "
sam wrote on Mar 18, 2008 1:26 PM:
wtf posted this for me to see.
YOU GOTTA check it out. It screams G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk&eurl=http://gizmodo.com/
"
girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:56 PM:
Nylodian, since I've been here and reading your thoughts and opinions, you have yet to be included in the intent of that post. To date, there are but three contributors here who reflect my sentiments stated at 9:16 am today. (IMHO) |:-) "
nylodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:51 PM:
nylodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:49 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:49 AM:
Words are funny things. "
danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:45 AM:
danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:42 AM:
Thus when someone "accepts an offer," which is purported to be a threat to ones reputation, it is valid if it is returned as a mirror image of the original presentment.
If someone gets these responses, maybe they are making offers.
Example: By notary, not in court, someone could agree to pay a traffic citation, subject to conditions which pertain to jurisdiction. If someone understands this, they can request the court show that the legalese used in the law applies to the presented situation. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:30 AM:
danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:10 AM:
I wish this column could provide for us to edit our own posts.
In the Stockron Record, if noone responds to a post, the original author can edit their own remark. Once someone responds to it, though, it's committed. "
danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:08 AM:
Also, if you read one post, without reading the other, perhaps you can understand that there is an implication, which she retracted. I reacted before I saw the retraction. "
Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:54 AM:
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girard74 wrote on Mar 18, 2008 9:16 AM:
Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:23 AM:
Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:21 AM:
Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:20 AM:
danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:20 AM:
My knowledge of government ownership of people is recently-learned.
I was always aware of Hillary's book. I only thought it was a theory, and her goal for her vision of government.
Actually, it is already real.
I am still trying to decide if ownership started in the Lincoln administration, or in FDR's.
I appreciate your statement. "
danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:16 AM:
I sincerely hope you can accept my appology.
I just read:
'nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:24 PM:
" daniel: to clarify my last post to you, meaning the government's ownership of it's people- not people calling you crazy! ;) "
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danielh wrote on Mar 18, 2008 12:12 AM:
Additionally, I don't think you are so well gifted with high authority, to qualify yourself to make judgements of other people, like you do. Good luck with that. I once made judgements of people like you, and I wasn't able to find a way to be happy with that characteristic trait. Let me know if you are able to find peace and serenity with your usage of it. I'd be interested to know how you canMakeItWork. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:54 PM:
You're right, I haven't. I was just attempting to find the lighter side to such an ordeal!!! "
OTH wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:17 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:08 PM:
Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:05 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:54 PM:
I am in agreement that overextension of the government in ANY endeavor of an individual is in violation of our basic rights. Unfortunately, in recent years I have witnessed more of a decline in 'family values' (IMHO) (relevant since the teaching is in the ‘home’), rather than an increase in the discipline necessary by both the teacher and the student; that then would leave me to believe that home schooling’s ultimate success does require some form of oversight. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:05 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:52 PM:
I would suggest in absence of empirical evidence to the contrary, you are likely the exception, rather than the rule. "
Trackback wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:08 PM:
Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 5:15 PM:
Robb wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:30 PM:
I am telling you, I have seen morons teaching their children..... At least some type of credential might weed out a few... Do you remember Deliverance??
I am afraid the Monkeys will be back soon!! "
nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:25 PM:
nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:22 PM:
nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 4:16 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:52 PM:
She gave fair warning that the government owns people, from the moment of birth, until death.
10 years ago, when I said Hillary's philosophy is ownership of people, everyone thought I was crazy.
"
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:47 PM:
I mentioned "day" because it pertains to the world's spin.
Taking the bible literally is self-defeating, since the definition of "day" requires the existence of a spinning earty, before it is created. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:30 PM:
I'm not so sure. It sounds like this kind of activity might increase their excitement levels. Their friends might think about replicating their behavior, rather than running away. A tad tawdry, I know - but I couldn't resist. "
Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:25 PM:
Cogito wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:11 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:10 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:07 PM:
Actually, if the thread is followed, there is, in a weird sort of way, always a connection to the original thought. I haven't seen you here, but that doesn't mean much - however if you ARE new, you'll find that this occurs often. My suggestion? Jump in and enjoy the water! "
Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:06 PM:
HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 3:04 PM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:27 PM:
Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:22 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 2:05 PM:
http://www.mainemediaresources.com/mpl_birthcert.htm
The article is entitled, "Structure of the Birth Certificate
Did the State Pledge Your Body to a Bank?"
Reference to a magnification of a birth certificate: "Some birth and marriage certificates are now "warehouse receipts," printed on banknote paper, which may mark you and yours as 'chattel' property of the banks that our government borrows from every day.
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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:58 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:57 PM:
Notice in definition #4, "A document certifying ownership," it does not state who is the owner, or who possesses the title.
From Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Edition:
"A document in use in the English customhouse....
A ticket.
A warrant.
A written assurance, or official representation, that some act has or has not been done, or some event occurred, or some legal formality been complied with.
A written assurance made or issuing from some court, and designed as a notice of things done therein, or as a warrant or authority, to some other court judge, or officer."
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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:47 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:46 PM:
Darwin theory is not in conflict with the meaning of the bible. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:30 PM:
Tom, how would you determine what ‘6 days’ is in Biblical terms? "
Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 1:29 PM:
nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:52 PM:
If you feel threatened by science then either homeschool or enroll in a private religious school.
If Creationism should be taught in public schools, then so should Pastafarianism. It's only fair.
"
nylodian wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:44 PM:
I think this boils down to the state losing ADA $$$ to homeschoolers, and finding a way to make more $$$ by requiring the parents to get a credential.
"
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:14 PM:
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/certificate)
A written document that is official
verification that a condition or
requirement has, or has not, been met.
A written assurance issued from a court
that is notification to another
officer, judge, or court of procedures
practiced therein.
A document (such as a birth certificate)
prepared by an official during the
course of his or her regular duties, and
which may be used as evidence for
certain purposes.
A document certifying that one has
fulfilled certain requirements and may
practice in a field.
A stock certificate is a paper
representing a share of stock in a
corporation that has been purchased by
its holder. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:09 PM:
1. A document testifying to the truth of something: a certificate of birth. OR
2. A document issued to a person completing a course of study not leading to a diploma. OR
3. A document certifying that a person may officially practice in certain professions. OR
4. A document certifying ownership. "
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:03 PM:
You might find me guilty of not dotting i's or crossing t's, but I have too much at stake to ever get caught being wrong on the central theme of my statements.
I suggest you look up "certificate" in a legal dictionary. "
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:01 PM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 12:00 PM:
My birth certificate is printed "Midwest Bank Note Company." I just got two of them, and the sheet of paper is actually serialized.
Although I didn't say that the Birth Certificate is money, it might be true.
Next, I'll suppose that you want to know how much money it's worth.
I have heard twice that Mexico is honest. They print a monetary amount of value on all the birth certificates.
"
HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 11:26 AM:
Mr. Yeley's letter is right on. The facts are before us if not yet entirely recognized. Bottom line, this state/country wants its money and its control, and "Proper Education" as a justifiable concern is nowhere close to the factual truth. "
HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:59 AM:
OTH wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:29 AM:
No where on mine does it say "Bank Note." Also it is not printed on paper one could use for money. Maybe funny money but not our legal tender.
parishioner if 2 students are caught having sex in the bathroom you hose them down with a fire hose and I'll guarantee you they won't do it again. Their friends will think twice as well. "
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 AM:
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:40 AM:
Oh, I know I'm going to draw flak on this one. Perhaps Lincoln had an 'angel mother,' but lately moms have been getting a bad(?) rap. Drowning of kids; left in cars to fry; abandonment stats WAY up, etc., etc. Things have changed since Honest Abe was a kid. "
HONEST INJUN wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:37 AM:
I, for one, agree with what Abraham Lincoln once said: "All that I am, or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother".
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girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:26 AM:
I suppose one could think that before waiting for the results of the state tests, it would be good to make sure that they are being taught adequately.
I’m just interjecting other possibilities. "
Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 AM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:20 AM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 AM:
Emergency credential: The teacher must enroll into a teacher credential program within 1 year.
Preliminary credential: This is almost a complete credential. 3 courses are still required. ???computer skills, student health, federal special education???
Intern: A school district sponsors an education program at a local credentialling school. They can hire someone with the stipulation that they enroll in that program. "
girard74 wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:11 AM:
Sure, I'm just as concerned with the apparent ignorance of kids who receive their diplomas from public schools - just watching Jay Leno's 'Street Walking' as he asks college 'graduates' questions that should be answered by sixth graders.
Yet, there must be accountability. The future of our nation (not to mention our children) depends upon it. "
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:03 AM:
edumacation wrote on Mar 17, 2008 9:01 AM:
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:26 AM:
Check the fine print around the border. If an official certificate is new, I assure anyone who checks that it'll say "bank note."
I have already checked my marriage and birth certificates.
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danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:21 AM:
When the child was born, the parents provided an "application for live birth," which eventually was handled at the Dept of Commerce, and then Treasury. The child was "bonded-up," and the bond(s) was/were hypothecated for possible lifetime production, and the bond sold. "
danielh wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:17 AM:
The federal govt came into ownership of the child when the parents agreed to register the child's birth.
The parents agreed their marriage was property of the state, and all proceeds of the marriage (children), were property also.
The state is merely asserting its right of ownership of the children.
What's wrong with that? If we had children, wouldn't we want the best of family values for our child, also? "
parishioner wrote on Mar 17, 2008 8:00 AM:
parishioner wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:58 AM:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MNJDVF0F1.DTL&hw=Heimov&sn=001&sc=1000 "
Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:24 AM:
Tom Carlson wrote on Mar 17, 2008 7:19 AM:
commonsense wrote on Mar 17, 2008 6:55 AM:
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