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Writer says government is responsible for 9/11

Updated: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 6:59 AM PST

Previously, I thought that the federal government had advance warning of the 9/11 attacks, and that it took steps to assure that our security and self-defensive systems would not stop the attacks.

Not until 2006 did I realize that our government actually did the attacks.

At the WTC, modified Boeing 767s were used with either remote piloting, or advanced technology guidance systems. There were no human souls on board. Except that they served as a decoy to appeal to the emotions of every American, they did not pertain to the collapse of the WTC towers. It is not possible for burning jet fuel to weaken steel. This fact is admitted by an MIT professor, who contributed to the official government report. His explanation, "quick ignition and intense heat" has no place in professional science. Instead, an FDNY radio transmission requesting two hose teams to extinguish two isolated fire pockets on the 78th floor shows that this fire was almost OUT!

Video evidence of thermite opens a Pandora's box of contradiction. Namely, jet fuel burns 2000 degrees too cold to ignite thermite! The use of thermite would have required secure access to the building, several weeks in advance of the attacks, and according to several YouTube reports, such access did occur. Thermite would have been required to execute a controlled demolition.

The Web site http://www.patriotsquestion911.com provides references of several notable people who oppose the official government report, including senior military personnel ranking as high as major general and general, 9/11 survivors, widows and their families, university professors, pilots and FAA personnel and engineers and architects.

I credit http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html for reporting that Secret Service did not execute any emergency contingency plans to protect the president. The president's itinerary was public information, and if the attacks were a surprise to the Secret Service, they should have responded instantly to secure the president. This is precisely what the White House announced.

Daniel Hutchins
Acampo

Reader Feedback

Gator wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:36 PM:

" As POGO said, we have met the enemy and
it are us!!!! "

Gator wrote on Mar 15, 2008 8:35 PM:

" I was in New Zealand 2 weeks ago and
looking back from that far away,not
good!!They think this election is nuts.
But it worries them just the same.They ask why does it take you a year to do when we do it in 3 weeks..With our greed
and lust for every thing we can get our hands on we have put our selves in one big hole...I have seen 6.25 a gallon gas,how far off is that here.How
many folks were so dumb that they didn't
know what "ARM" ment on their loan... "

danielh wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:34 PM:

" Gator: Probably true: that Ted Kennedy is behind NCLB. Whether it was his idea or not, he supports it 110 %. agreed.

The objective is to federalize state jurisdiction, as it existed before the 14th (13th?) amendment. "

danielh wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:31 PM:

" Gator: The Federal govt has been involved in state business ever since the Civil War. The Fed is in state business because the states lost the war. "

OTH wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:01 PM:

" Voter they think they can bet Hillary and the probably can. I won't vote for her simply because of he husband. The man is a digrace. She's not going to run the White House he will,that is if he can keep his pants zipped. "

OTH wrote on Mar 15, 2008 4:54 PM:

" nylodian how long before someone comes out with the the fact that McCains wife is a recoverying junkie?

I think Obama is trying to run a clean campaign. At this point I would say the gloves are off.

If he conspired with the enemy put it out there. If his wife is a former junkie put it out there. Dirty is as dirty does.

I had hoped for a clean campaign from everybody but true to Clinton style that's no going to happen. "

Gator wrote on Mar 15, 2008 4:51 PM:

" One last post as this dog is dead...

I think someone should explain why the Federal Government should
be involved in States business. I must have missed that part of civics
001...It goes back to the sense of entitlement that everyone in this
country seems to have. They look at the person in front of them or
above them and say” what are you going to do for me”??? These
inept, perplexed or overall incompetent people continue to climb
up the ladder of the particulars above them and look for someone
who will grant them those entitlements they believe they have
coming(why they think this way is anyone’s guess)Eventually
these people get to the top, the Federal government and assume
that they are the ones that should give,give,give…Pathetic. How
about we all start taking responsibility for ourselves. Let’s instead
of dumping everything on good old Uncle Sam ,look to our local
and State government to do the job we pay them for. Why not
hold them accountable and stop relying on the cronies in
the federal government to do the States jobs and expecting them
to do it. This is why this country is in the Toilet, and unlike the
Movie Wall Street “GREED is not good!!!
"

Gator wrote on Mar 15, 2008 3:50 PM:

" You bash W for NCLB but as I said before
Teddy K was the key behind it and it's just another dumb Program that doesn't
work.Last week Bill Gates was lobying
for more foreign engineers because we
don't turn out enough good ones,how's
that ring your bell,the fact that some
of the very best come from India is a
bloody shame,the best should come from
here no questions asked... "

Gator wrote on Mar 15, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Well why did I say todays democratic
party like the EU-C-P?? because they
are.All you hear is Entitlements,time
and time again.They are an empty shell
of times past...They have had control
of both house's and what have they to
show for it,Nada,Zero,Zip not one damn
bill worth spit...By the way Leonard
the repubs are just as bad if not worse.As I stated before we need the
WPA and CCC camps Out of a job want
the Entitlement money then you have to
work for it,no sitting on your butt for
18 mo. "

voter wrote on Mar 15, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Thanks, Leonard. "

Leonard wrote on Mar 15, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:06 PM:

To days Democratic party is just like the Euro commie party..


Which is about as useful as me saying that today's GOP is just like the goose stepping Nazi Party.

Why do you make statements like this? As far as I can see, they do nothing to further discourse. Instead, they simply serve to raise tempers. "

Gator wrote on Mar 15, 2008 7:33 AM:

" Unlike JFK's Party the Democratics of
today coin it.Ask not what you can do
for your country,but what can my country do for me...Gimmie,gimmie... "

real facts wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:17 PM:

" OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Hey real fruit if the only thing you can throw at me is my supposed age, you're pathetic. You have no idea how old I am").

no, i have alot more in the "tank" if want some. oh i have an idea, but i know this for sure, your old enough to know better.
***************************************
OTH said: Still too yellow to call the man and stand side by side?").

if i could do it right now, i would in a nylodian minute. since i don't lie (unlike-you).....i-would-WELCOME-that-appointment-with-you-and-me.....if-you-knew-it-were-to-actually-take-place....you-would-run-and-hide "

real facts wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:07 PM:

" ("nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:33 PM: McCain's spiritual advisor Pastor Rod Parlsey calls Islam a false religion and Allah a demon spirit").

here, parsley spoke the truth.

in these blogs nylodian, YOU claimed to be a Christian, and as a "Christian", you should have no problem with that statement, UNLESS your liberal bent tells you that "tolerance" trumps the truths of God.

remember "your" Lord and Master would have said the same thing about islam and allah, seeing how HE was/is God.

rod parsley spoke the truth here, but rod parsley is an affront to Christianity, having turned Christ into a cash-register....THATS-how-one-picks-truth-over-people "

Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:06 PM:

" Leonard,Talk show, Dennis Miller. As for Ayers/Obama I trust you know about
Birds of a Feather???I don't have any use for one who like the Indians say talk with a forked tounge...To days Democratic party is just like the Euro commie party...

"

sam wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:59 PM:

" "I get so tired of having to make a choice between two evils at election time. "

OTH, AMEN. "

OTH wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:49 PM:

" Voter on your post of 4:17 the Republicans believe and so do I that they can beat Clinton. She is widely disliked.

If she is the Democratic candidate I have to make a decision on who to vote for. I will not vote for her and McCain is GW in a cheap suit.

I get so tired of having to make a choice between two evils at election time. "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 8:07 PM:

" sam: I have to say I was VERY disappointed in Obama's remark that he was unaware of his pastor's controversial comments. I fail to believe that since they were that close, and Obama went regularly over 20 years that he NEVER heard such comments from him. And why AFTER he condemned Wright's comments about 9/11, did he appoint him to his spiritual advisory board?

Ugh!! I need one of WY's lemon drops. "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:39 PM:

" sam and OTH: conservative radio and fox "news" had the story on Rev. Wright and his connection to Farrakahn for a year now. I have no doubt that Hillary's camp may fan these stories, however, they have been in circulation on the net while Hillary was still thought to be a shoe-in for the nomination.

Remember the X-Files? "Trust No One" "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Brian: you said, "I shudder to think how far McCain would be in the primaries had he had such an advisor to go as far as saying the things that Rev. Wright has said. "

Okay, how about two of them? McCain's spiritual advisor Pastor Rod Parlsey calls Islam a false religion and Allah a demon spirit.

McCain accepted an endorsement from Rev. John Hagee who calls the Catholic Church a "great whore" and false cult system. McCain repudiated the remarks after the Catholic League complained, but not Haycee's endorsement. "

Brian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:42 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:17 PM:

" Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:19 PM:
"I have been to Phoenix and I can say that it is a crime ridden cesspool. Sort of the Stockton of the Southwest. You couldn't pay me to live there."

Yes, I agree, nor would I want to raise children in Phoenix. I have some very good friends that moved there and quickly decided it was a huge mistake and got the heck outta there.

GOOD, We don't need people like you here that only see the negative in this beautiful valley. "

Brian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 6:39 PM:

" It seems to me this bloog should be about 911 conspiracy.

Now we have Leonard persiting on marginalizing me by making negative comments about Phoenix.

Since no one wants to talk about 911 let's ask Leonard about his hero Obama
and his spiritual adviser Rev. Wright about his hatespeech sermons. I shudder to think how far McCain would be in the primaries had he had such an advisor to go as far as saying the things that Rev. Wright has said. "

voter wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:55 PM:

" OTH, I think the GOP would much prefer to battle Hillary Clinton in the fall (rather that Obama). She carries a lot of baggage (some true, some unfounded) that they can use against her in the campaign. There is little of substance that can be used to attack Obama. "

OTH wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:48 PM:

" Sam Rush "the blimp boy"called for all conservative Republibcans to vote for Clinton in the primary in hopes of beating Obaama. They can beat her but they know Obama is a different strory.

First it was the story about him being a Muslim. Then it was Farakhan. Then it's gone on from there. Would not be at all surptised if the Publicans were behind some of thi.

The party the brought us Bush,Cheney and Rove is not above dirty tricks. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 4:17 PM:

" Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:19 PM:
"I have been to Phoenix and I can say that it is a crime ridden cesspool. Sort of the Stockton of the Southwest. You couldn't pay me to live there."

Yes, I agree, nor would I want to raise children in Phoenix. I have some very good friends that moved there and quickly decided it was a huge mistake and got the heck outta there.
"

sam wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Nylodian, all these lies and accusations are coming out against Obama. I know the Clinton camp can be ruthless, but after looking at a recent poll that Obama could beat McCain by 10%, I am wondering if maybe the Republicans (my party) are throwing the trash at him. If Obama has a better chance of beating McCain, then the Reps would naturally want Billary to win.

AWK, I hate the politics of politics. "

sam wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:25 PM:

" OTH wrote on Mar 14, 2008 12:07 PM:

" Thank you O' Great Pastafarian. I am done."


RAmen. "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:05 PM:

" OTH: peace and pasta to you! :) "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 2:05 PM:

" sam: thanks you for your 11:45 and 11:47 posts. I didn't have time to research the details earlier. I have since done more reading, but I did not find anything stating Ayers is a "top advisor" to Obama. "

Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:19 PM:

" Brian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:13 PM:

Chuckles, Phoenix doesn't postpone laws to have Fairs. "


Well, whatever SF is doing to get low crime rates like that, Phoenix should start doing as well.

I have been to Phoenix and I can say that it is a crime ridden cesspool. Sort of the Stockton of the Southwest.

You couldn't pay me to live there. "

Brian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 1:13 PM:

" voter wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:54 AM:

" Brian wrote:" Voter, you actually think you can get an accurate answer about how the Fair
is ran given SF's reputation for their lawlessness? "

I just checked national crime statistics--Phoenix has twice as many murders per capita as SF, and SF has fewer rapes than the national average. It would seem that you should be far more concerned with the "lawlessness" of your own city. What is your fascination with gays? Homophobia can be the only reason you continue to rant against SF.

Chuckles, Phoenix doesn't postpone laws to have Fairs. "

OTH wrote on Mar 14, 2008 12:07 PM:

" Thank you O' Great Pastafarian. I am done.



POOF "

sam wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Neither Ayers nor the Obama campaign would describe the relationship between the two men. Dr. Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends,” but there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation "

sam wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Leonard, I found:

In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
"

Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 11:39 AM:

" Saying that Ayers is a "close advisor" to Obama is like saying that Kenneth Lay, the CEO of Enron was a "close advisor" to George W. Bush.

It may get you a round of dittos on your favorite talk radio show but it has no relevance to or bearing on the truth. "

Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:29 AM:

" I belive it was stated "top advisor


Is that a formal position? Is he paid? Is it a title that Obama gave to him?

Or.... is it merely a made up phrase that the swift boaters have applied to someone with which Obama is acquainted? "

Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:43 AM:

" Also He is quick to play the race card
'When will that B/S stop...He has strong ties to Louis Farrakhan,George
soros.The Country Needs another Truman,
FDR,JFK or Teddy Rooseveldt not this
court jester.I would call it a safe bet
the Clinton Machine will distroy him
before Denver.. "

Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:29 AM:

" I belive it was stated "top advisor"
I was wrong on the Jail time it was
Kathy Boudin the did the time...
William "Kill all the rich people" Ayers, Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago and Bernardine Dohrn, Director, Children and Family Justice Center Clinical Associate Professor of Law, Northwestern University School of Law, Chicago.
Quack,Quack,Quack... "

Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Gator: And his connection to Obama is what? "

Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 9:00 AM:

" William Ayers...
The Ayers link, reported on Friday by Bloomberg News, has surfaced in recent days as Mr. Obama tries to add to his lead in the Democratic primary fight. He faces Mrs. Clinton today in a primary in Wisconsin and caucuses in Hawaii, after which they will prepare for critical elections in delegate-rich Ohio and Texas on March 4. "

Leonard wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:53 AM:

" Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:49 AM:

" One more Bloody time,The gentelman in
question is one of Obamas top advisors.


Does this gentleman have a name? "

Gator wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:49 AM:

" One more Bloody time,The gentelman in
question is one of Obamas top advisors.
and he not Obama was a member of the
Weather underground..Like I have said
before "Obama" is an empty shirt with
a lot of nasty folks in and around him.
If it quacks like a duck!!! "

Lodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:45 AM:

" nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:40 AM:
"OTH: Save the blogs - don't feed the trolls! lol :)"

That's perfect! Love it!
"

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:40 AM:

" OTH: Save the blogs - don't feed the trolls! lol :) "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:13 AM:

" Voter: the story that I saw said William Ayers, who is an ex-member of the Weatherman, worked with Obama for 3 or 4 years while that sat on the same board and that Ayers contributed to Obama's campaign. "

nylodian wrote on Mar 14, 2008 7:03 AM:

" Leonard: you are much more optimistic than I am about a clean campaign from McCain. I personally think they are holding back now, and will go for the throat if he gets the nomination. The right wing has had stories out there for some time that are just now getting the major network play: Obama's controversial pastor Wright, his connection to bomber William Ayes, who contributed to his campaign and sat on boards with him, and his ties to Toni Rezco and how he bought land from him (through his wife) though under investigation. "

OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Hey real fruit if the only thing you can throw at me is my supposed age, you're pathetic. You have no idea how old I am.

If you believe anything written on a blog you're on you're a bigger fool than I thought. And that's bad.

I mean you're a yellow bellied coward and a punk but you're not stupid enough to believe everything are you? Well I guess a clown and buffoon would be.

Still too yellow to call the man and stand side by side? Well a liar like you would be. "

real facts wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:16 PM:

" OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Gator every time Brian and RF show up on a blog it dies. They are not here to talk about the subject. They are here to furthur their own agendas").

Over The Hill, take a hike. your the queen in here of off topic, and the most hypocritical about it.

brian talks alot about the topics at hand, until he is sidetracked by people like you when you diss him.

me, i have hardly any time to talk about the subject matter, because i spend hours taking out trash like yours, AFTER....you-people-post-it "

real facts wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:05 PM:

" nylodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:52 PM:

You've got that right! And we've seen a lot of it here on these blogs lately. :)

again nylodian, may peace be with you :)

this is the exact reason i correctly called you a hypocrite. one day your saying "peace be with you" to me, and the next your throwing trash.

i was right about you, despite your bumper sticker attempts at potraying yourself as a person of "peace" "

voter wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:20 PM:

" Gator, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Weather Underground disbanded in the late 70's. What's your source of information regarding Obama being a member of that group? You did say "ex-member." "

Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Like Brian,not really.I think like
Truman, no free lunch.FDR work for
your welfare WPA,CCC...
"

Leonard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:18 PM:

" Personally, I think that McCain and Obama will both run clean, respectful campaigns. Both men have stated their intention to do so and both have shown their willingness to follow through. "

Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:05 PM:

" I said he was a top adviser or can't
you read... "

sam wrote on Mar 13, 2008 5:43 PM:

" Thanks voter.

"

voter wrote on Mar 13, 2008 4:37 PM:

" Looks like Gator is campaigning to be the next Brian. Obama was 8 years old when the Weather Underground was last active--you're delusional if you think they looked to an 8 year old for advice. Obama does not now, nor has he ever advised past members of that group. As for his chain-smoking "baggage", LOL. This disqualifies him from the presidency? It's interesting what rubbish they fabricate on wing-nut radio and who believes it hook, line, and sinker. "

nylodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:53 PM:

" OTH: RAmen! :)

Also: good post (9:16)! "

nylodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:52 PM:

" Lodian: in response to "There are nasty people in all segments of society. They exist everywhere and undermine the good people they claim to represent. "

You've got that right! And we've seen a lot of it here on these blogs lately. :) "

Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Not so Quick,I see Osama ROTFLHAO if
Obama should win...Obama has a lot of
bagage for an empty shirt,Nasty temper,chain smoker,ex-member of the
weather underground as a top adviser who by the way says he still isn't sorry for setting the bombs he did time
for...By the time Denver rolls around
I belive the bloom will be off the rose..Poison Ivy mabey??? "

OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:13 PM:

" nylodian 9:15 good post Long live the pastafarians! Too bad we can't run one for president! :) "

OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Gator every time Brian and RF show up on a blog it dies. They are not here to talk about the subject. They are here to furthur their own agendas.

You would think Brian would write a letter to the editor if he's that upset. "

real facts wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:08 PM:

" nylodian on your Mar 13 9:15 AM post, not true. you are right about the other arena's you mentioned as being deterimental to the base of family strength, but incorrect on why homosexuality is destroying family values (by you turning a blind eye to it). homosexuality is an affront to Gods design and standards. homosexuality attempts to strip God of his authority over HIS creation. liberals RESUFE to define it as such, because of the trickle down effect. if liberals aknowledge homosexuality as being wrong, thier OWN "liberality" comes into judgement. thats a fact "

OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:06 PM:

" Leonard/Gator you just may have a catchy song title there. Obama catches Osama. Now you have to come up with words. "

real facts wrote on Mar 13, 2008 11:59 AM:

" OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:16 AM:

" Why is it that of all the "filth" in the world someone chooses to become fixated on San Francisco? Particularly when they are hundreds of miles away and have to search for the garbage they then regurgitate. Almost the same as someone becoming fixated on lieing when there's 9 other major sins. Maybe the other 9 don't count? ").

i only stated it for what seems like a 1,000 times, isolate another "topic" that we can discuss, and i will tell the truth about that too.....has-NOTHING-to-do-with-homosexuality

i call people out that "claim" to be-"Christians".....who-are-"fixated"-on-lying "

Lodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:35 AM:

" Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:24 AM:
"Man that was Quick...Hey, gays are human just like anyone else, most run under the radar and want it that way."BUT"the slime at the FSF are just plain pigs, period..."

There are nasty people in all segments of society. They exist everywhere and undermine the good people they claim to represent.
"

Lodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:30 AM:

" OTH 9:16 AM: I'd like to know the answer to that one too.

"

Lodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:29 AM:

" nylodian 9:15 AM: WELL SAID!
"

Leonard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Hmmm.... maybe Obama will actually catch Osama, something this President seems to be either unwilling or unable to do. "

Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:24 AM:

" Man that was Quick...Hey, gays are human just like anyone else, most run under the radar and want it that way."BUT"the slime at the FSF are just plain pigs, period...


"

Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:16 AM:

" Just to stir the pot!!
Osama/Obama,Osama/Obama,Osama/Obama
Osama/Obaaaaaaammmmmaaaaa!!!!!! "

OTH wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:16 AM:

" Why is it that of all the "filth" in the world someone chooses to become fixated on San Francisco? Particularly when they are hundreds of miles away and have to search for the garbage they then regurgitate. Almost the same as someone becoming fixated on lieing when there's 9 other major sins. Maybe the other 9 don't count? "

Leonard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:15 AM:

" Gator: Every blog that Brian posts on comes around to the Folsom Street Fair sooner or later.

The man is, for want of a better word, fixated. "

nylodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:15 AM:

" The current assault on family values has nothing to do with homosexuality or any street fair, but it's a nice scapegoat to avoid discussing the fact that the divorce rate is now 50-60% and the real issues destroying families include substance abuse, debt from overspending, infidelity, and domestic abuse. Maybe those issues hit too close to home for the self-righteous? "

Gator wrote on Mar 13, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Some how I can't belive this blog crawls on from 9/11 to Gays and the
Folsom St Fair...The Folsom fair folks
give gays a bad name,as for Scout if
he was ever at the Fair he was Blind or couldn't see the forest for the trees...http://www.zombietime.com/ Not
for the faint of heart..Miller Beer was
the key sponsor last year but after all
the flack and complaints they wont be
back... "

Lodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Leonard: Geez, now I can't stop thinking about that sourdough. :-) Clam chowder in a Boudin bread bowl! WOW! Okay, I want to go to the bakery now. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 8:39 AM:

" Leonard 7:53 AM: That's for sure. I love sourdough! Yum

"

Leonard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:53 AM:

" voter wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:54 AM:

Homophobia can be the only reason you continue to rant against SF.


That or envy. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent loaf of sourdough bread in Phoenix? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 13, 2008 7:49 AM:

" OTH 11:44 PM: Great post.

"

voter wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:54 AM:

" Brian wrote:" Voter, you actually think you can get an accurate answer about how the Fair
is ran given SF's reputation for their lawlessness? "

I just checked national crime statistics--Phoenix has twice as many murders per capita as SF, and SF has fewer rapes than the national average. It would seem that you should be far more concerned with the "lawlessness" of your own city. What is your fascination with gays? Homophobia can be the only reason you continue to rant against SF. "

Leonard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:28 AM:

" If SF is this nation's homosexual Sodom, Phoenix is its tacky hetero Gomorah.

Brian, I have to ask. As a citizen of Phoenix, are you employed in the "adult entertainment industry"? "

Leonard wrote on Mar 13, 2008 6:23 AM:

" I just think someone should mention the fact that Brian lives in Phoenix, AZ, the city with the highest number of strip joints per capita in the Western United States. "

OTH wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Brian I'm glad to hear you don't want to live in Lodi anymore and succumb to the pressure of your pears.

Pears are fruit dummy and sometimes gays are called fruits and I KNOW you don't want to be called a fruit.

Strange how ones subconcious will play tricks on your speech. Is that called a Freudian slip of the tongue?

BYEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:32 PM:

" i know brian. there is pressure involved, in that people DEMAND their way of thinking by saying anything "we" come up with as being "intolerant".

it's only going to get worse. it isn't the easiest thing in the world to pick truth over people, but it is rewarding. the peace of God CANNOT be duplicated outside of obeying HIM.

you get an accurate idea of how hard it IS getting, by the sheer numbers in here that swim in that wide river called "whatever - whenever- who cares" "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:07 PM:

" RF, I'm glad I don't live in Lodi anymore. I'm not the least bit interested in succumbing to the pressures of my pears by saying or advocating things that are contrary to my ideals
just to stay in good graces with my friends or aquaintances. "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 10:01 PM:

" voter wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Brilliant reasoning, Brian. OTH is not homophobic, ergo OTH is indifferent to genocide, war, and terrorism. "

Voter, your reputaion precedes you in your persistance to marginalize me by calling me a homophobe. Please try to come up with something a little more
creative. I'm sorry you don't see the filth that the Fair advocates. Have you seen the Fair's depiction of the last supper? I'm appalled! "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:57 PM:

" leonards non response to my appeal for him to actually show integrity went unanswered DESPITE reading my post, and replying in here on something else.

gee i am so surprised.

finding people that pick integrity/truth over people, is becoming increasingly harder.

true people of integrity are a dying breed, and should be placed on the endangered species list "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:54 PM:

" Girard74 wrote: San Francisco is notorious for their lawlessness as well as for their openly defiant stance against laws that they simply do not 'like.

Voter, you actually think you can get an accurate answer about how the Fair
is ran given SF's reputation for their lawlessness? "

voter wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Brilliant reasoning, Brian. OTH is not homophobic, ergo OTH is indifferent to genocide, war, and terrorism. "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:36 PM:

" I think it's safe to say that OTH would also say it shouldn't be of concern what's happening in the middle East. It's so far away. "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:34 PM:

" OTH wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:23 PM:

" Brian since this fair takes place several hundred miles from where you live, what's the problem? The state you live in doesn't have any problems that you could mount your trusty white steed and save the populace from?

I figured I'd get some reply like this eventually. It reveals the lack of concern OTH has for the moral fabric of
America. I'm not sure how many miles I have to be from a given event that merits my concern. I do have friends in the bay area that share my sentiments. "

OTH wrote on Mar 12, 2008 9:23 PM:

" Brian since this fair takes place several hundred miles from where you live, what's the problem? The state you live in doesn't have any problems that you could mount your trusty white steed and save the populace from? "

Leonard wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Brian: I think that the reference was to the legal brothels and casinos in Nevada, not to Burning Man.

I do have to say that I am literally ROTFLMAO about the whole gay porn site thing.

"

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:37 PM:

" leonard: i know you are reading this.

will you for once act like a man of character, and tell lodian brian is not me.

eventually you are going to have to show integrity and pick truth over people....here's your chance "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:35 PM:

" Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:23 PM:

" Burning man is way out in the middle of Nowhere. Not in a large city. They are quite a bit different").

you are right. the parallel i was making is that a Christian quicky condemns ANY act that is outside Gods standards. it is obviously more heinous to know it's happening in a public place in view of children while the police stand there and do nothing.

even the bay to breakers walk/race makes allowances for public nudity, without being arrested. SF condones AND solicits these behaviors "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:30 PM:

" Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:21 PM:
They do claim to be good Christians. Their definition of a good Christian is somewhat different than mine, though").

your being nice, and i can appreciate that about you.

but truth be told, there is a 180 degree difference in them vs you. you actually care about Gods standards. "they" don't give a rip. anytime "they" can't call sin, sin...."they" can't align themselves with biblical authority ....and "they" lie without conscience?......by biblical definition....thier an 'ain't'

it's an ugly truth. but it is the truth nonetheless.

for some of these people, it is NOT about-being--"liberal" "

voter wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:28 PM:

" Brian,
Laws in San Francisco are not suspended during that fair--I double checked. Your leather clad Peter LaBarbera of the gay bashing site is the only one making that false claim. The other hate websites that mention that falsehood are quoting S&M Pete. Hundreds of videographers and photographers converge on that fair every year--why is it that only your guy says sex is occurring in public? According to SF police and city officials, that event is so well controlled that it has become a model for other street fairs. "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:24 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:26 AM:

" real facts is a blog stalking liar. Just ignore him. Maybe the monkey will get him").

lodian is just a little mad that i expose her lying daily. last night i exposed her for lying about having "met me" before.....she couldn't describe what i look like. so actually, SHE is the liar.

ignoring me would be great advice. but ignoring the truth i speak...not good.

many people have tried to "get me", AND FAILED "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:23 PM:

" Burning man is way out in the middle of Nowhere. Not in a large city. They are quite a bit different. "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:21 PM:

" Real Facts, Hear Hear. I wonder if these same people that attack me for commenting about the Fair would have the same sentiments about the Fair if the same organizers were to bring it to Lodi. I suspect they'd take an about face. Perhaps a good dose of the filth that happens at this Fair may bring them around. There's always hope. They do claim to be good Christians. Their definition of a good Christian is somewhat different than mine, though. "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:17 PM:

" there are events where it seems that certain activities are suspended as you say. burning man comes to mind. it's definetly an anything goes environment, without any threat of arrest. drugs etc....

lot's of public nudity and sex by heterosexual people.

i condemn that outright, so "homosexuality" has nothing to do with it, while Gods laws and standards have EVERYTHING to do with it.

a Christian picks Gods moral laws over peoples feelings, regardless of who is doing what.

leave the door open to accept this behavior, no telling whats next. even pedophiles sometimes think they are "loving"




"

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:09 PM:

" drinking alcohol: not a sin. drinking to excess and getting drunk...sin

gambling: not a sin (for entertainment, and within your means). gambling to get rich and depending on it TO get rich.....sin

strip joints: sin

whorehouses: sin

liberals that make allowances for gay sex in public: hideous

makes no difference if it's 5 minutes, or 24 hours a day




"

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:07 PM:

" real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:21 AM:
even though you
already planted the seed of suspicion
to re-enforce your agenda of discrediting people").

BINGO. you just won the top prize in here with that comment brian.

it is the ONLY thing they have left in their bag-o-tricks.......attempting to discredit others based on purposeful felonious (lying) information.

leonard's the poster boy for that one, but he has alot of company in here.

it's the only thing they have left

Real Facts, You hit the nail right on the head. "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:05 PM:

" OTH wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Brian just a question. If you are so homophobic why on would earth you go to a gay porno site to begin with? You've never seen hetero couples go at it in public? They may both be disgusting but don't judge everyone by the actions of a dew. "

The Link is not a gay porn site. Get you facts straight. No I've never heard of an organized Fair for Heteros to go at it in public view where laws are postponed so they can have their orgees. Highly improbable Sir. "

real facts wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:21 AM:
even though you
already planted the seed of suspicion
to re-enforce your agenda of discrediting people").

BINGO. you just won the top prize in here with that comment brian.

it is the ONLY thing they have left in their bag-o-tricks.......attempting to discredit others based on purposeful felonious (lying) information.

leonard's the poster boy for that one, but he has alot of company in here.

it's the only thing they have left "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:01 PM:

" voter wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Regarding morality, there seems to be a double standard. Can a conservative explain for me why a gay street fair which raises a quarter million dollars for charity annually and occurs just one day a year is an outrage and an attack on family values, and yet over in Nevada they've got 24 hour drinking, gambling, strip joints and whorehouses and no one seems to bat an eyelash? "

You conveniently left out these other activities are done within the boudries of the law. Marginalizing a Fair that postpones laws is insane. "

Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 6:39 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:39 AM:

" Brian/realfacts: FYI, not all gay people participate in such events. I would think a grown man, if not prejudiced, would know and admit this fact.

Of course they don't. I never implied that. You seem to be an advocate of these activities that require the postponement of laws. How am I a homophobe that I disagree with the postponement of laws so that gays
can run around naked and fondle eachother all the while city police are
powerless to arrest these people. I hope you aren't advocating other cities do the same. "

OTH wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Voter you bring up very valid points. "

OTH wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Brian just a question. If you are so homophobic why on would earth you go to a gay porno site to begin with? You've never seen hetero couples go at it in public? They may both be disgusting but don't judge everyone by the actions of a dew. "

voter wrote on Mar 12, 2008 4:02 PM:

" Regarding morality, there seems to be a double standard. Can a conservative explain for me why a gay street fair which raises a quarter million dollars for charity annually and occurs just one day a year is an outrage and an attack on family values, and yet over in Nevada they've got 24 hour drinking, gambling, strip joints and whorehouses and no one seems to bat an eyelash? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Leonard 12:34 PM: I agree 100%!

"

Leonard wrote on Mar 12, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Lodian: I don't think that homophobic people see gays as individuals.

Its the same thing that racists say about blacks. They all look the same to me "

Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:39 AM:

" Brian/realfacts: FYI, not all gay people participate in such events. I would think a grown man, if not prejudiced, would know and admit this fact. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 11:36 AM:

" Brian wrote on Mar 12, 2008 7:21 AM:
"You won't even visit a website because, perhaps you fear you may have to re