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Pledge doesn't go back to founding fathers

Updated: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:40 AM PST

On Feb. 19, you had a letter and a blog that dealt with the "God" controversy in the pledge debate.

The blog had a complicated solution of giving people choices to fill in. I have an easier answer. How about "One nation under the Constitution." This is really the law of the land.

The letter by the Rev. Sam P. Walls, gave the old argument that this country was founded on Christian principles. Strangely, he left out some of the founding principles and old traditions; nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution is God mentioned by name; some of the ideas from the founding days are "all men are created equal" — not women, just men, and white men at that; slavery was allowed; lynching was common; voting was limited to a select group of men; property rights were also limited; and child abuse was OK.

I find it interesting that some "religious" people use the parts of the Bible that fit their needs and the same with history. Sex between men is not OK. What about the Bible saying that eating pork is not OK? We have good and bad in our history. There is nothing wrong with trying to make this a better country. "God" was added to the pledge in 1954. The pledge itself was adopted around 1890. Neither goes back to the founding of this country.

I noticed the Rev. Walls used the old line about leaving the country if you are not happy here. Why can't someone who is not happy here work to change things? Perhaps my comments don't count since religious people like the reverend are convinced I am going to hell because of my religious beliefs.

Reuven Epstein
Galt

Reader Feedback

Lodian wrote on Mar 7, 2008 10:44 AM:

" real facts wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:15 AM: "Lodian wrote "I never set out to lie to anyone..."

Yes, this is true. You set out to lie, so I guess that's why my statement bothers you.

Figure out my hobby yet, dude? "

real facts wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:16 AM:

" " Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:14 AM:
girard74: I never set out to lie to anyone on these boards (or anywhere else). I tell the truth as I know it, and then some. My honesty serves me well most of the time, and other times...NOT! ;-) I don't consider the decision to conceal my real name and personal information, on this message board, as lying. In my book, that's called being safe. " "

real facts wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:14 AM:

" " (" sam wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:22 PM:
I KNOW real_facts").

you and the others are famous for playing little word games, so as to squeeze out a half truth in order to soothe your conscience when you lie, thinking you can get away with it.

i smell it 10 miles away.

you DO NOT know real_facts PERSONALLY.

the best that you can represent as truth in that statement, is that you "may" know her thru other blogs, personas or e-mail's. but you DO NOT know her "personally".

if you did as a real person, she would have...red-hair "

real facts wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:13 AM:

" real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 10:43 PM:

" sam: look, i don't care how loud you turn up your bullhorn, or how far you want to take your lie, but your a liar.

lodian IS/WAS real_facts, no matter how much your jaded heart thinks you can sway public opinion thru your purposeful deflection lie.

you have taken your lie to this level because you can't stand me, and your pulling out all the stops to insure people believe you.

your a liar, now matter how pissed you get at me. you thought you were arrogant enough to go after me this hard and fast. since you have sunk this low...trust me, God will make you pay for this one

I BET MY LIFE ON IT ALL " "

sam wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:53 PM:

" RF, hey a$$hole, real_facts is an innocent... not lodian. You and lodian fight on, but leave the innocent out of it. I have no clue who lodian is. And I do not care. I KNOW real_facts. Call me anything you want, condemn me to hell as I do not give a rats a$$ what you say, but leave real_facts out of your attacks. All real_facts did was post biblical posts on God's love.
IF YOU BELEIVE in God's love, leave the innocent alone.
AMEN. "

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:20 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:10 PM:
An I am not making a choice for invisible friends over God. Other than Sam I don't know these folks. And you are very wrong about Sam").

you are. truth comes first BEFORE anything or anybody.

if you are fronting for sam, then you are going to be disappointed in her FOR lying about it. she did.

the proof of lodian being real_facts was already in place BEFORE she attempted her deflection lie. she purposefully lied about knowing who real_facts was, so that she could keep me from exposing lodian.

you bought it "

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:13 PM:

" WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Realfacts... I know you mean well towards me. I won't side with you").

not looking for you to side with me. but since you are a believer, it is my responsibility to push you toward Christ.

as a believer WY, you need to side with Christ on any given issue, and you didn't in THIS issue. you picked the popularity and acceptance of others, over what God says about sin.

lodian lied to you PURPOSEFULLY, and you did/said nothing about it.

when your children ever lied to you, you dealt with them on it...because-it-was-sin "

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:06 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:10 PM:
YOu could be the devil ... you could be a guardian for Christ").

"i could be the devil"?

true believers, know if a person is a believer or they don't.

this is another example of you picking people over truth.

irregardless of whether you like/dislike my style, with me sticking up for the authority of Christ OVER people above everything else, ought to let you know who i am.

you have alot to learn about picking truth over people "

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:57 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:10 PM:
No one has proof of anything in a forum like this").

you act like no one can possibly know anything, just because it's an anonymous message board. that is completely untrue.

lodian told YOU she wasn't "real_facts". then she was talking as if she WAS real_facts, but used lodians' handle, which proved i was right, that lodian IS real_facts. she then admitted it to girard.

you don't WANT to believe that someone actually lied on purpose. the "proof" comes in the accumulation of a persons words over time....she-lied-many-times....including-about-brian-recently "

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:37 PM:

" WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:06 PM:

" realfacts... i don't get your 9:35 post "I KNOW FOR SURE YOU ARE"

Are what? Pretending").

heck no WY. your about the ONLY ONE in here thats NOT pretending.

i know FOR SURE you are a true follower of Jesus Christ.

make sure you read my posts to you slowly, because ALWAYS they are aimed at you in encouragement. i may tell you the truth, but it is ALWAYS to encourage you.

i am not castigating you, like i do the others, even when i tell you the truth.

i like and respect-you "

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:32 PM:

" WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:16 PM:

You don't undserstand me").

i understand perfectly well what YOU write about yourself in here.
i understood perfectly well that you like horses.

i also understand perfectly well that you have had difficulty calling lying sin, and being "too nice" to someone that does the opposite ON PURPOSE toward God, while claiming to "know God".

there is nothing to miss-understand about that.

do i pretend to know everything about what makes you tick? no
but i DO KNOW what you reveal about yourself in here.

pick truth. not people
"

real facts wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:27 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:58 AM:
I don't judge her to the extreme point of calling her an evil liar. Please don't quit your real job to become a mind reader, You might need some food stamps to eat").

God calls purposeful perpetual lying evil. sin IS evil WY

the fact is, i could have made an excellant living seperating peoples words from their claims (i.e., a judge). thats because i pick truth over emotions and people.

i didn't have to read lodians "mind". she told you HERSELF she wasn't "real_facts".

there is nothing to-guess-about...when-someone-straight-up=lies "

WY wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:55 AM:

" One nation under GOD... I like this version.

Sam... Are you OK? If you're feeling like I was, you're very sick. :( "

WY wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:58 AM:

" real facts... I missed your 3/2 post at 1:20 am

Oh man that cracks me up. You don't know what I am thinking about.

I think she is a nut sometimes. But gues what .... I am too. I don't judge her to the extreme point of calling her an evil liar. Please don't quit your real job to become a mind reader, You might need some food stamps to eat. "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:26 PM:

" I'm sleepy, Biker Chick ... out!

wally world in the AM. It would be a thriller night at wally world right now. scary "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:16 PM:

" I don't read every single post made by every poster at all times. I don't put into these blogs what you do. I try honor God in everything I do. I don't do things like you, nor do I think with your mind. My heart and mind say, "whisper in their ear... God loves you". Until my dying breath I will do this. An I pray the Lord says to me, "Well done good and faithful child"

You don't undserstand me.
"

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:06 PM:

" realfacts... i don't get your 9:35 post "I KNOW FOR SURE YOU ARE"

Are what? Pretending? "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:02 PM:

" Lodian... what about GovAgent? "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:00 PM:

" My comments where to you realfacts. My reach to you, to soften towards people who's eyes you can't see. You disapointed me as a man of God. You have a knowledge that would bring Broken souls to Christ yet you scorn them with pleasure. You seem to enjoy their so called "short comings" and feast on it. That bothers me.

Do not worry about my choices or my salavtion. My eyes are soft blue. I see clearly in my mirror who I am.

It makes my sad that you don't/won't reach with love.


What was it that we were disputing? "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:43 PM:

" And to top it of I gotta run to wally world right now, and hang out with the gackers because my kids forgot something for school. double crud!
Geez... "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:41 PM:

" That damn monkey is jumping on the bed
And the viener dog is shaking and yelping for his cape. He's cold an is so upset he peed on the carpet.
I think the monkey was told no more jumping on the bed. He took the batteries outa the romote then he gave it back. That SOB. Who has stacks of triple A batteries. I rented a movie and the TV started to roll again. crud! Life kinda sucks right now. A temperary moment of insanity! This too shall pass. "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:23 PM:

" I know where I sit. I've slipped of nothing or made a choice for people I don't know over The Lord God. You know nothing of me. I could have blue eyes or they might be black. My tounge is sharp and don't think I wouldn't cut off your ear in a hot swipe.

Don't give me 'live by the sword die by the sword' I would so swing hard for HIM.

I know in your way you are swinging hard for God. You're having fun with it. It brings you pleaseure.This blog has become mute to me, and sad.
"

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Realfacts... I know you mean well towards me. I won't side with you because I think your way is harsh. An I am not making a choice for invisible friends over God. Other than Sam I don't know these folks. And you are very wrong about Sam. No one has proof of anything in a forum like this. YOu could be the devil ... you could be a guardian for Christ. You could have blue eyes. You could have black eyes. I can't see them from where I sit. "

real facts wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:57 PM:

" Bert wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:29 PM:

" RF, is that you Ken"?).

ken who ????

my real name is not ken.

unlike lodian, i don't need imaginary "blog friends" to bolster my position, so i only have one handle in here at the LNS.

nor do i have "imaginary friends" away from the blog, so "ken" wouldn't even apply there.

seems a couple of you think i am masquerading as someone else, me thinks.

wanna elaborate ??? i have nothing to hide "

real facts wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:51 PM:

" Lodian wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:29 AM:
It would be a real Christian man that would offer a gentle hand to those he assumed were in need of the Lord's guidance").

good thing i passed that test.

i posted to YOU lodian (in another blog), that i really do wish the best for you "God-wise". that i do not want to see you stand outside Gods blessings in your life. i would rather this didn't happen between us...

YOU READ THAT....and the very next post of yours, was YOU being the same nasty liar.

i held out that "olive branch"...and you rejected it "

real facts wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:45 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:28 PM:
" realfacts... the Lord Jesus Christ needs me NOT in this matter").

thats where you are mistaken.

YOU put YOURSELF "in this matter" by commenting on it over the course of whats been going on.

what your Lord requires of you in EVERY arena of life, is that YOU would honor him. since YOU placed yourself in these blogs, you created for YOURSELF a choice to make. that choice means you pick Gods truth, over anybody or anything. you may not like having to make that choice, but you created it.

now......choose Christ.....NOT.."people" "

real facts wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:39 PM:

" ("BrokenL wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:13 PM:
truthfully, and biblically speaking....you are not to have anything to do with someone who purposefully lies. that is a biblical commandment. Does this mean the mighty knight should not have anything to do with those of us in the river, us liars???? Is he breaking a commandment????").

broken, right now, i am being used of God to remind people in here of his standards. thats what i am supposed to do.

if i knew you personally, and you acted this way on purpose over time, i could no longer associate with you...."until"-you-repented...thats-"biblical" "

real facts wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:35 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:24 PM:
" Real Facts...Please do not worry about my salvation").

WY, over time i can tell who really knows Christ, and who is "pretending".

I KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU ARE, so i don't worry about your salvation at all.

"what i worry about", is watching you AS a believer, pick the popularity of people you don't even know, OVER your Lord. you cannot as a believer give the notion to anyone, that THEY can disobey Christ via thier behavior. you are doing that, by high fiving someone when they sin.

you jeopardize your relationship with God....when-you-pick-people-over-HIM "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:33 PM:

" Lodian...What about GovAgent? "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:30 PM:

" Maybe "broken" stands for someone that was close to the dock, but was slammed out adrift! Could that be? "

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:28 PM:

" realfacts... the Lord Jesus Christ needs me NOT in this matter. This is a long time going bunch of crap that you got worked up into strife. Good luck with that.
"

WY wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:24 PM:

" Real Facts...Please do not worry about my salvation. "

BrokenL wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:14 PM:

" truthfully, and biblically speaking....you are not to have anything to do with someone who purposefully lies. that is a biblical commandment.
Does this mean the mighty knight should not have anything to do with those of us in the river, us liars????
Is he breaking a commandment???? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Most everyone here has given RF a lot of room to show his true colors in hopes he would soften his hateful/hurtful posting habits. It would be a real Christian man that would offer a gentle hand to those he assumed were in need of the Lord's guidance. Unfortunately, RF has/did show his true colors. It's just not what we had all hoped from him, and for him. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Anyone remember the poster GovAgent"? He also posted as Tim Spagnola. Has anyone seen him around?

Where are you GovAgent? "

voter wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Bert, I agree with you and Ernie regarding Mr. Snuffleupagus. LOL! "

Bert wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:29 PM:

" RF, is that you Ken? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:28 PM:

" OTH: Hey! I was also just thinking of Sister Mary Margaret! "

OTH wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:34 PM:

" WY quick hide. Sister Mary Margaret is coming with her ruler. If she catches you, tell her the devil made you do it, okay. That way we're all safe. :) "

real facts wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:40 AM:

"
WY, just remember who gave you eternal life, and what HE requires of you in these matters.

you don't know any of these people, yet you are trading truth for feigned friendship.

truthfully, and biblically speaking....you are not to have anything to do with someone who purposefully lies. that is a biblical commandment. Jesus Christ "should be" more important to you, than being cool and accepted in here

regardless of whether you like it, i HAVE TO tell the truth

pick Christ.....not "people" "

real facts wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:34 AM:

" BrokenL wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:09 AM:

" Lodian, virtual HIGH FIVE!!!!!! "").

no wonder your name contains "broken"

seeing how lodian lied to you too in the blogs, "broken" is probably word play for broken integrity.

just a guess

what's the "L" stand for? "

real facts wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:31 AM:

" WY: you made a comment about going after lodian the way i do, because she is a woman. evidently that bothers you

truth, and the defense of it, ISN'T gender specific. God doesn't "soften" dealing with sin, just because it's a woman.

neither do i. i treat the defense of sin without predjudice.

lodian doesn't get off the hook anymore with God, just because she is a woman.

besides, she tried to portray a man in here before, as "lee" "

real facts wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:25 AM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:44 AM:
You seem to make no difference in their thinking, so why do you bother").

if i did it for their benefit, i would be wasting my life away in here. it's abundantly obvious they aren't interested in truth.

i "bother" so that through their ugly example, no one else can get the idea that you can call yourself a Christian, and then so blatantly lie about God, and his authority.

i USE THEM to demonstrate that, for the eventual benefit of others "

real facts wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:20 AM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:44 AM:
I'm not a sucker real facts, I'm disapointed in you as a man of God. You have no clue how or what I am thinking about anyone or anything.

You put me down by calling me a sucker").

i DO have a clue as to what your thinking, when you post what your thinking about lodian. you keep "thinking" she is innocent, and you are covering for her. not cool WY.

i didn't call you a sucker. i said your being "suckered into". i will NEVER put you down, but i WILL always tell-you-the-truth "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 7:36 PM:

" WY, I feel like I am getting your illness... soar throat, headache, etc. Did you blog it to me??? LOL.

I am drinking wine tonight in your honor. I am hoping that monkey and wiener dog show up. I could use a laugh. "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Well I still suck my thumb. Does that make me younger than you? "

WY wrote on Mar 1, 2008 5:22 PM:

" I was sucking my thumb when Hendrix did his gig. I figured Price, being all purple and what not. "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Jimi Hendrix "

WY wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Prince??? "

sam wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:38 PM:

" remember this?
Purple haze all in my brain
Lately things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky
Purple Haze all around
Don't know if I'm comin' up or down
Am I happy or in misery?
What ever it is, that girl put a spell on me
"

sam wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:36 PM:

" Wy, "FEEL" the words.

Doesn't VooDoo woman FEEL better? "

WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Vodo woman... could you put a spell on me so I can spell "

WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:00 PM:

" I really could use a "SPEll" bahahaha! sense I spell so bad. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:00 PM:

" OTH: Yes, I think I saw a yellow submarine pass while I was rollin' on the river. "

sam wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:20 PM:

" whoop, dere it is. "

OTH wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:05 PM:

" Anybody see a yellow submarine pass through here? "

Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:54 AM:

" WY: You are not a "sucker". As a good Christian woman, you gave RF a lot of room to show his true colors in hopes he would soften and offer a gentle hand to those he assumed were in need of the Lord's guidance. Unfortunately, RF did show his true colors. It's just not what we had all hoped from him. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:48 AM:

" What did I admit? Oh ya, sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I don't! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Thanks, BrokenL, WY, OTH and sam!

I hope the spell I put on you didn't hurt much. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:44 AM:

" Now I am being told that I have put a spell on all of you? Wow! :-)

Look deep into my eyes.... well, look deep into your computer screen... you're feeling veeeery sleepy... "

sam wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:31 AM:

" " Whooooosh is an action word.... right? "

Whoooosh sounds like a perfect action word. "

WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:57 AM:

" I would be affraid of you if I wore her shoes. Is that your intent, to put fear in women? Doesn't matter what the topic is you are slamming a woman. That's not cool to me.

And these are my thoughts. No one told me to say that. I wasn't "sucker into my thougt and opinion of you. I can read fine, I just can't spell. No matter what the conversation is you should not go at a woman the way you are. That's scary to me. "

WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Whooooosh is an action word.... right? "

WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:44 AM:

" I'm not a sucker real facts, I'm disapointed in you as a man of God. You have no clue how or what I am thinking about anyone or anything. I wish you can find it in your heart to let things go, so we can talk about more fun things, an if you hate the sinners here move on. You seem to make no difference in their thinking, so why do you bother. After reading the cyber bully thing, I'm convinced you are messing with your number one favorit "sinner/liar" Lodian.

You put me down by calling me a sucker. "

OTH wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:42 AM:

" BrokenL I second your motion. "

OTH wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:41 AM:

" WWWWHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH! The Mother ship is on the way. "

WY wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:38 AM:

" I like POOF! POOF is a great verb.

"

BrokenL wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:09 AM:

" Lodian, virtual HIGH FIVE!!!!!! "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:20 AM:

" now remember, lodian lied to each and every one of you, every day she pretended to be "real_facts"....and YOU bought it hook, line and sewer.

now she is attempting to backpeddle about it, and kiss heiney, so you would all sweep her sin of purposeful lying under the rug.

i promised her that you wouldn't take her to task on it, in fact you would high five her FOR lying.

don't disappoint her

i told you i tell the truth....where is my "high five"? "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:15 AM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:51 AM:

" THESE WORDS ARE THE MOST DAMAGING...

"I never set out to lie to anyone on these boards (or anywhere else)".

to echo her OWN words day after day .....
(1) "no, i am not lodian" (real_facts speaking)

(2) "no i am not lee"

(3) "everyone knows your brian real facts"

game, set , match

it was a long ardous journey, but worth every minute of it, defending Gods word, authority and honor " "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:10 AM:

" from the "hats off to same walls" blog
***************************************
Lodian wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:14 AM:
girard74: I never set out to lie to anyone on these boards (or anywhere else). I tell the truth as I know it, and then some. My honesty serves me well most of the time, and other times...NOT! ;-) I don't consider the decision to conceal my real name and personal information, on this message board, as lying. In my book, that's called being safe. And in recent weeks this choice has served me well... for obvious reasons. "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:06 AM:

" ("OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:13 PM:
" Real facts = NO CREDIBILITY").

today is a very bad day for you OTH. because today is the day where you are going to be choking on those words.

remember when i said that "real_facts" was really lodian, and you called me a liar? remember all the high fiving of lodian in this blog after she solicited your love and devotion from you all?

well, i have some bad news OTH...

SHE ADMITTED IT.

watch this next post... "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:01 AM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:04 PM:
Real facts.. you hurt people").

truth hurts WY, when someones on the wrong side of the truth. i tell the truth about people when it is necessary to protect the truth. lying is NEVER acceptable to God, when "supposedly" representing him. lodian lied about that.

i am sorry you got sucked into all this, by thier deceitful "nicey nice".

the truth? ......lodian lied to you about not being "real_facts". i told the truth WY....and someday you will have to also.

she admitted it.

now what do you say? "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:54 AM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:22 PM:
Thank you, one and all! :-) "

no, thank you lodian. thank you for staying the course, and revealing who you are, and allowing the others to show who they really are as well, by supporting you during your "lying spell". "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:52 AM:

" Lodian Feb 28 2:17 PM: Just an FYI... I know I don't have to tell you guys this, but in case it even matters to anyone, I only post as "Lodian". Just wanted to make that perfectly clear. It's sort of freaky watching RF spin his wheels on the topic of me and another blog handle. Really bizarre. Guess he's having his brand of fun. Me, I'll stick with the likes of the rest of you and your bright spirit, passion, kindness, respect, integrity, intelligence and HUMOR! Keep bringin' it").
***************************************

WOW. LIED ABOUT IT TODAY TO....and you guys-will-still-high-five-her-after-reading-this-AND-her-admission....look-at-her-plead-for-your-acceptance,...while-still-lying-about-it...no-conscience "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:48 AM:

" ("sam wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:24 PM:
All for one and one for all !!!").

well, at least one of you is truthfull.

sam will never leave lodian's side, or condemn her sin.

all for one, and one for all.....(all the way to the integrity sewer) "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:46 AM:

" ("OTH wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:56 PM:
Lodian I never had any doubt. You've been around too long and are just too damned honest for that kind of apcray. As far as I'm concerned it's all done and over. Can I have an AMEN").

not so fast...

"your too damned honest"

you might really blow your lid now OTH. "your girl" admitted she lied. now what do you think of her lying day after day "i am not lodian"? she lied to....you

that has to hurt real bad that i was right all along.

can i get a high five?

no? "

real facts wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:42 AM:

" ("BrokenL wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:14 PM:
Lodian, I really don't think anybody but the "disciple-of-the-blogs" thinks that you are the kind hearted underscore. Even if you were, it would not matter").

"it would not matter".....if you lie.

because afterall acording to me "brokenl", lying is acceptable...so it's ok. heck my wife lies to me, and thats fine. my husband lies to me, my kids lie to me, my friends lie to me and my boss lies to me....it's all good.

trust has nothing to do with lying.

i have some bad news brokenl. stay tuned... "

Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:15 PM:

" Computer: $2K
DSL: $50
online pals: Priceless
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:14 PM:

" OTH: Thanks!!!

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sam wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:59 PM:

" RAmen.

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BrokenL wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:02 PM:

" I would say "amen" but it would lump me into the river with y'all.AMEN "

OTH wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:58 PM:

" POOF all gone. :) "

OTH wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Lodian I never had any doubt. You've been around too long and are just too damned honest for that kind of apcray. As far as I'm concerned it's all done and over. Can I have an AMEN? "

sam wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:24 PM:

" All for one and one for all !!! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:22 PM:

" Thank you, one and all! :-) "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:14 PM:

" " Lodian, I really don't think anybody but the "disciple-of-the-blogs" thinks that you are the kind hearted underscore. Even if you were, it would not matter, neither of you spews hate, neither of you are self righteous,and neither of you constantly attack all others.Ignore the mighty knight and laugh at his dribble.I laugh at darn near ever thing he comes up with.It is pointless to respond to him. Let him mumble in the corner.It's all he's good at.Oooohhhh no, in the river with me "

sam wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Yes we do, Lodian. "

WY wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:37 PM:

" We know Lodian.:) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:17 PM:

" Just an FYI... I know I don't have to tell you guys this, but in case it even matters to anyone, I only post as "Lodian". Just wanted to make that perfectly clear. It's sort of freaky watching RF spin his wheels on the topic of me and another blog handle. Really bizarre. Guess he's having his brand of fun. Me, I'll stick with the likes of the rest of you and your bright spirit, passion, kindness, respect, integrity, intelligence and HUMOR! Keep bringin' it! :-)
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Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:50 PM:

" WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:04 PM:
"Real facts.. you hurt people."

I agree, WY.
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WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:04 PM:

" Real facts.. you hurt people. "

WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:01 PM:

" AND WHY WOULD ANYONE DRIFT TOWARDS THIS! What a bunch of schit!

Come children, see how the grown ups play...
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WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:57 PM:

" Some frink'n people have NO CLUE how to love. "

WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:54 PM:

" There goes the boat from the dock. Who was the azz that smacked it again??? "

WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:54 PM:

" Hi Billy... I'm glad you're here. :) People can love people with out saying a word about God. So there you have it. "

OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:13 PM:

" Real facts = NO CREDIBILITY "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:03 PM:

" billy rubin:
you get by on a technicality.

no it's isn't a "religious blog". my bad, and i apologize.

but the other half is that it IS about God.....so that part i was right.

the part i was right about....you live to bring trouble against something you don't believe in. "

sam wrote on Feb 27, 2008 5:15 PM:

" My pleasure, OTH. "

Jeff wrote on Feb 27, 2008 3:39 PM:

" So patriotism is an emotion, and being patriotic is the behavior caused by that emotion... "

OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 2:13 PM:

" Sam bless you. That's what I was trying to say but couldn't get it out. "

sam wrote on Feb 27, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Jeff, I would say it is an emotion that causes a behavior. "

Jeff wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Is love a behavior or a emotion? "

Robb wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Patriotism is a behavior..... "

OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:24 AM:

" Robb patriotism is an emotion isn't it? You either have it or you don't. "

Robb wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:01 AM:

" SEPARATE "god" and country...

Patriotism is a privelege, NOT a right. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 5:46 AM:

" OTH: I should have given you a "R-AMEN" :D "

nylodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 5:44 AM:

" RF: yet again, peace be with you "

Billy Rubin wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:07 PM:

" From the Reverend: "billy rubin: first of all, what are you doing in a religious blog?"

There. See? See what happens?
Now the Reverend is so confused because of "under God", he thinks even a story about the Pledge of Alegiance to the flag is a religious blog.

That's what you get when you conflate patriotism with religion. This is exactly how the Reverend got so confused about his personal entertainment accessories, thinking they were Jesus - the two things he holds dear were easily confused with one another. "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:52 PM:

" ("Leonard wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:51 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list").

whats the matter leonard? you didn't like the fact i described you in my 7:22pm post?

if you really had me blocked (like you keep lying that you do), you wouldn't have been miffed about it.

one thing is good about you lying and asying you can't read my posts, is you have hand cuffed yourself. so everytime you post your faux denial, i get to take you to task without you doing anything about it (laughing) "

sam wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:26 PM:

" cool story, Brokenl. "

brokenl wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:55 PM:

" Of course he could also BS with the best of 'em. But it still stuck with me.Blowin'smoke came easy to him. "

brokenl wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:52 PM:

" I guess it's a personal thing, but all I ever say is the first line in the pledge."I pledge allegiance to the flag,of the United States of America".My grandfather once told me that about sums it up.His sailors in WW2 didn't have time to stop in the engine room to say the whole thing so one would say that line for them all, then back to work.The stories he could tell. "

Leonard wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:51 PM:

" This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list. "

Leonard wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Cogito: The point I was trying to make was that official Pledge, in whatever form it takes, is an official statement of our government. Regardless of how people choose to use it, that official statement should be traditional and inclusive, as is the traditional Pledge.

If it doesn't matter to you how the official text reads, why would it matter to you if that text was restored to its traditional form? "

Cogito wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:43 PM:

" Leonard, thanks for your answer at 10:10. You nailed it amigo. This whole debate is nothing more than a waste of time, that was my point.I will say it, others won't, it doesn't matter, we all have the right. What WILL happen, I predict, if "under God" is removed from the pledge, Christians will still say it. The only difference is that they'll say it twice as loud as the rest of the pledge as an act of defiance. How do you think those opposed will feel about their little victory then? "

Gator wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:52 PM:

" Like I said before it,s petty and to
fear those 3 letters blows the mind.
The country is in the tank and the best
ya all can come up with is to take god
out of the pledge,Bloody'ell "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:38 PM:

" looks like Reuven reads the blogs. is it leonard in real life? same m.o (maybe not, but suspicious)

anyway Reuven, sex men with men, and women with women, is NOT ok, seeing how you mentioned it. eating pork WASN'T ok when it was a ceremonial law attributable to mans righteousness BEFORE Christ abolished the need FOR the law, thru becoming sin once and for all. eat all the pork you want, but same sex is still a no no.

what the heck did that have to do with the generic term "God" in the pledge?

i know, you "thought" you-were-going-to-get-a-dig-in,..then-hit-and-run....not-so-fast-Reuven "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:26 PM:

" billy rubin: first of all, what are you doing in a religious blog? i thought you had more important things to do with the time you have left. in eternity, you will have PLENTY of time to "think" about God.

anyway, why would i be green with envy of something that exactly describes me?

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real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:22 PM:

" the original was changed to reflect what the MAJORITY of the people that inhabit america, believe (i.e."God").

it should NOT be changed back just because a "few" whine about it. we have a democratic system in this country for a reason, to hopefully / accurately reflect the majority.

leave it as it is, based on that. it can still be all inclusive, because no one is forced to say "God" during it's recital.

what i find heinously hypocritical, are those that "pretend" faith in God, but work hard to get HIM dismissed from everything they run across.

they're really "ain'ts" "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:15 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:14 AM:
" I agree with Leonard.
The original pledge is as beautiful and honorable as the one today, except that the original (written by our founding fathers) was for "ALL" Americans. And, after all, it was the riginal. I say, keep the tradition. The pledge should never have been changed").

of course you agree with leonard. you two have always demonstrated your erroring on the side of eliminating God into a politically correct corner, all the while claiming your both "Christians". your choices reflect working against God, not protecting his honor. "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:11 PM:

" ("OTH wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:27 AM:
nylodian let's have an Amen for the Flying Spaghetti Monster").

promoting off topic are we, after busting my chops for it?

i told you were being hypocritical about it.

since your willing to be hypocritical, and go off topic, let's discuss how your lack of integrity effects your blog "relationships".....(wink) "

WY wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:28 PM:

" Sorry I'm typing like WY types. "

WY wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:27 PM:

" nylodian... I think you're right on! praying for yourslef before testing is smart, and patience for yourself with the children. You're a ggod person. I forget to pray for patience with my kids. God know I need to. "

danielh wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:32 PM:

" oops. 1954. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:54 PM:

" daniel: read the above letter for the when. As to why, an educated guess is because of the fear of (and protest to) Communism at the time. "

Billy Rubin wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:50 PM:

" From danielh: "Have you ever heard of demonstrating the will of God?"

Readers will not be so eager to label you a conspiracy theorist once they realize you actually know the perfect, mysterious will of the Supreme Being and Creator of the universe - and are, in fact, His spokesman and executor here among us puny mortals.

I don't know where or how you applied for the position and I'm sure the story of the interview is fascinating, but you have my sincere congratulations for scoring that plum gig!

Even real facts must be green with envy.
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danielh wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:32 PM:

" nylodian: When was the pledge changed, and for what reason? "

nylodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:11 PM:

" OTH: AMEN! :) "

nylodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:10 PM:

" Gator: please study American History, especially the Constitution and why it was important to the founders ke