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This is an artist's rendering of what developers envision the North Stockton Gateway project, now known as Stockton Promenade, will look like if the Stockton City Council approves the ambitious upscale shopping and entertainment area. (Courtesy art)

Luxury shopping complex planned for northwest Stockton

By Ross Farrow
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:18 AM PST

Picture Stockton's northwest corner being transformed into a Mediterranean-style village filled with luxury stores, upscale restaurants and a 16- to 18-screen movie theater across from Oak Grove Regional Park.

That's the dream of AG Spanos Cos. of what will be known as Stockton Promenade. Commonly known as North Stockton Gateway, the center would include 670,000 square feet of retail space on 65 acres on what is now part of the rural ambiance that dominates Interstate 5. Spanos has sold the land to Kornwasser Shopping Center Properties, which would develop the center.

The promenade would be surrounded by acres of new homes and other retail projects that would reach as far north as the city of Lodi's White Slough property.

While Spanos is trying to attract upscale Lodi residents to the north Stockton "lifestyle center," Lodi community leaders hope their city's charm and ambiance will keep shoppers, and their sales tax dollars, in Lodi.

Never mind the home foreclosure and fears of a recession plaguing San Joaquin County and the rest of the United States. Spanos officials predict the nation will be out of its economic doldrums by the time the center opens about four years from now at a site northeast of the intersection of Eight Mile Road and Interstate 5. The master plan is pending approval by the city of Stockton.

Called a "lifestyle center," Stockton Promenade is not being designed for people who want to go to a single store, buy one or two items and leave, said Dean Plassaras, a consultant for Spanos.

"The idea is for people to stay awhile and socialize," Plassaras said. "The planning dream is to live, work, shop and play in the same place."



AG Spanos Cos. is planning a large-scale development near the intersection of Eight Mile Road and Interstate 5. The project would include the Stockton Promenade, or 670,000 square feet of retail space, on 65 acres that would include a 16- to 18-screen movie theater. (Marc Lutz/News-Sentinel)

The idea is to meander through the stores, see a movie, have dinner at P.F. Chang's China Bistro or Morton's Steakhouse, get something at the Cheesecake Factory, and if the weather's right, sit out in a plaza-like setting and enjoy your friends.

"You can do that in Downtown Lodi," said Pat Patrick, president and CEO of the Lodi Chamber of Commerce. "You can socialize and eat at sidewalk cafes."

"I believe that no matter what they build there, Lodi will be the place to be because our Downtown is so much fun, so beautiful and so historical," Mounce said. (The Promenade) sounds like a great place for Stocktonians to be."

Patrick added, "What they're trying to recapture is an old downtown that is new. We (in Lodi) have the genuine article."

Plessaras said the Stockton Promenade will not harm tax revenues from either Lodi or Stockton, despite what some may think.

"We're not trying to harm Lodi; we're not trying to harm Stockton," Plassaras said. "We are more of a Lodi community here than a Stockton community. We have more commonality."

The consultant maintains that with the projected growth, including 40,000 planned residential units for north Stockton, there will be enough business for everyone.



Cars pass by a field Friday near Eight Mile Road â€" the proposed site for a new luxury shopping center. (Dan Evans/News-Sentinel)


Not only that, Stockton Promenade is intended to draw from a 25-mile radius â€" from Weston Ranch in southern Stockton all the way to Galt.

Patrick says that plans call for 120,000 new residents in the area generally considered to be "between Stockton and Lodi," but it will probably take 25 years to develop that much housing.

"For the first 10 years, I would think everyone will be competing for many of the same (sales tax) dollars," Patrick said.

Mike Niblock, Stockton's community development director, said it's premature to determine whether the Promenade will harm his city economically. The city of Stockton is conducting an economic study to answer that question, he said.

Mounce says that Lodi doesn't want to have a center like Stockton Promenade in Lodi, although the city will continue to try to bring businesses like Trader Joe's to town.

Trader Joe's is one of the tenants projected for Stockton Promenade, Plassaras said.

"I really think that Lodi is heading in a completely different direction from Elk Grove or Stockton," Mounce said. "Lodi is going to be a tourist destination. We have the Sandhill Crane Festival and our wineries."

Potential tenants• Nugget supermarket

• Cheesecake Factory

• P.F. Chang's China Bistro

• Barnes and Noble bookstore

• Trader Joe's

• Morton's Steakhouse

• Cabela's, an upscale sporting goods and outdoors store

• McCormick and Schmick's, an upscale seafood restaurant

• Coldstone Creamery

Demographics

AG Spanos Cos. and developer Kornwasser Shopping Center Properties are touting projected rapid growth of upscale and college educated residents within the region to attract upscale tenants for Stockton Promenade. Here are some of the numbers:

• 2006 population within a three-mile radius: 40,598

• 2006 population within five-mile radius: 111,023

• 2006 population from Galt to Weston Ranch: 475,805

• Average household income: almost $85,000 within a three-mile radius, $60,482

• College graduates: In 2008, approximately 3,800 in vicinity of the project. This is a significant number when it comes to attracting upscale commercial tenants.

Source: Consultant Dean Plassaras



Plassaras said he sees an opportunity for Lodi to promote its wine industry and other virtues at the Spanos lifestyle center, perhaps by opening a store selling Lodi wines.

The upscale retail development is a long way from reality. The city of Stockton hasn't approved the plan, which is part of a larger master plan that totals 7,500 dwelling units on both sides of I-5 plus a large amount of commercial similar to the shopping center southwest of I-5 and Eight Mile Road, according to Plassaras and Dave Stagnaro, principal planner for the city of Stockton.

To accommodate all the new growth, Stockton's new General Plan calls for five lanes in each direction on I-5 within the next 25 to 30 years. An environmental impact report will be prepared for the project, Stagnaro said.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

Gator wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:17 PM:

" You can check out this style of building
in West Sacramento btwn B&C St.btwn 4&5
th streets Go take a look... "

commonsense1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:53 PM:

" JF...So you are saying FCB and others have built or are going to build 3 story houses on 2200 sf lots. And you state, they have submitted plans for these subdivisions as you described them. Can you point out an existing FCB subdivision that looks like the slum you describe? You have quite an imagination. "

JF wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:45 AM:

" C1, I want you to use the same scale I do, and measure the lots drawn on the plan and get back to me. Then I want you to look at the last 5 residential developments built in the last 3 years within 30 miles of Lodi and tell me what the average lot is sized at. You will see they have been shrinking and are all less than 3000 square feet. It is all the developers can sell! "

JF wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:41 AM:

" C1, the only people I seem to incite are the ones lying to us over and over about what is ahead for the development. Go pull the tentative for FCB westside, pull the same plan for the RR S fest. Developers have told me it is the only marketable way to divide the land for them. High Density=Instant Slum, even in Lodi. "

commonsense1 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:41 PM:

" JF, where is this upcoming Lodi development with 40X55 lots and 3 story houses? You have quite an imagination and a propensity to try and incite others. "

voter wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Often, the same people who are vocal proponents of a green belt and see the need to preserve farmland and open space are also the ones who get upset about high density housing. You can't have it both ways. We need to get beyond our suburban mindset and realize that to conserve farmland, we need to house people in new ways. In fill projects in urban areas are positive examples. "

sam wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:54 AM:

" JF, so true. Houses on top of houses does not make a great living environment. You can bet the developers do not live in places like that. "

JF wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:12 AM:

" Common1, Developers are putting in lots 55 x 40 ! 2200 sq ft of DIRT! 8-10' between houses, not property lines the walls are just 10' apart! Streets are 20-33' wide. They build three story units that are so tall they feel like sky scrapers from the sidewalk.
Pack all this sq footage in such a small footprint with all those humans and their belongings and you have instant disaster. Compounding the chaos will be apartments mixed within the development that raises the density even HIGHER. "

16925 wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:39 AM:

" It is hard to believe Stockton plans on building this center next to Lodi's sewer plant. What are they thinking? "

sam wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:06 PM:

" Commonsense1, Reynolds Ranch is planning 5 houses per acre. That is crowded. They have 1000 houses going in (close to 1000). It has already been approved by the planning commission and the CC. "

commonsense1 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:40 PM:

" Sam, what high density RR project are you talking about? Have I missed something? Has a project been proposed before the Planning Commission? Obviously, we will not see 5 acre parcels. What do you consider high density? Is it 1 house per acre, 2, 3, 4 houses per acre? What is the magic number? "

Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:25 PM:

" We all know growth is bound to happen. Shouldn't we be after smart growth, not just growth of any kind? "

sam wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:17 PM:

" commonsense, Reynolds Ranch cannot get much "denser". Now do not count a park as reducing the high density nightmare. I am talking houses on top of houses with no yards and no room to breathe. Look out your bedroom window into your neighbors bathroom. Not a quality subdivision when one can hop from one roof to another without breaking a sweat. I love my pool, my hammock, room for the dogs to run while I BBQ, and no neighbors on top of me. "

commonsense1 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:26 PM:

" JF, what high density projects are coming up and where? You're happy with what Lodi already has via 'MARKETING & Architecture design"? No growth is your answer? Sad. "

JF wrote on Feb 27, 2008 3:13 PM:

" I am not against improving Lodi with what we already have via MARKETING and Architecture enhancement. I am solidly against being mislead and lied to by people associated with proposed development plans that will not and cannot improve our town. It is just that GD simple. "

JF wrote on Feb 27, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Common1, Truth hurts doesnt it? The only housing going in anywhere within a 40 mile radius is High Density which = CHEAP overpopulated tracks of boxes not communities that people want to become part of, these types of development plans disenchant people from neighborhood participation and turns residents into people who just exist. There is no romance or seductive shopping in anything proposed at RR or for the Delta Debacle. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 12:45 PM:

" ElBombero: Darn, I really wanted you to answer my question. You obviously had no answer. You came at me swingin' and then....nothin'. Please, if you're going to challenge me then back it up. "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 27, 2008 11:52 AM:

" Look, Lodian, I'm probably a little too much to one side politically for this forum and you're clearly bright enough to know where I'm heading but the thumbnail is that it's not enough to live (and, well, spend) somewhere. There are inherent responsibilities. If something as mundane as the selection of local shops is not to your liking, the murky world of local Lodi politics is not too shark infested to wade into. Good luck changing things. "

SportsGuru wrote on Feb 27, 2008 11:02 AM:

" My two cents: this would be the beginning of the end for the greenbelt. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:58 AM:

" ....Oh, and think outside the purchasing of just shoes etc. LOL Plenty goes for a variety of things, as I am sure your outgoing funds will attest. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:56 AM:

" ElBombero: You commented, "You call yourself a "Lodian" yet you don't seem to want to make any effort to make your community better. Just slope off to the "nicer" shops."

My point was to impress upon you that I "do" spend a lot of money in Lodi (well, it's a lot to me anyway). As per your remarks, I am very interested in an answer to my question.... Will you share with me on how I can care more about my community and make an effort to attract quality chains and independent retailers?
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:54 AM:

" ElBombero: I was addressing this comment of yours... (ElBombero wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:43 AM: "Gosh Lodian, I'm really sorry you're sad about not getting 'nicer' stores. What is it about Lodi and the people who live (but don't shop) there that causes that?")

Just because a Lodian shops outside of town doesn't mean that they do not spend money in Lodi as well. Now, will you answer my question? Seriously, I am interested in what you have to say. (continued)
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Cogito: "...mediocre goods"

Ya, sometimes I figure that out after I get home with it. LOL! "

Cogito wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Thousands a month? Lodian you must buy a lot of mediocre goods. "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:10 AM:

" Jeez, Lodian, sincere apologies. I had no intention of being or appearing “sorta (sic) creepy”. I had merely meant to portray you as appearing shallow, acquisitive, selfish and trashily boastful of your spending power. Shop ahoy. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 4:06 PM:

" ElBombero: "But please, let us know about all the nice things you bought."

Your request was sorta creepy.
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:14 PM:

" ElBombero: Will you answer my question? "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Lodian, I'm impressed by your spending power. You obviously have/earn a lot of money and that matters, it truly does. You cannot just spend your way toward caring. But please, let us know about all the nice things you bought. "

OTH wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:21 PM:

" Sam, I have said it before the area around Hammer lane and the mess there will our southern slums. Just like South and East Stkn are now. Just a matter of time. "

lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:53 AM:

"
I'll check back with you later. I'm off to spend more money in Lodi. "

lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:41 AM:

" ElBombero: So, please share with me on how I can care more about my community and make an effort to attract quality chains and independent retailers. "

lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:37 AM:

" ElBombero: If you only knew the thousands of dollars a month I spend in Lodi. "

lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:35 AM:

" ElBombero: LOL "

sam wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:33 AM:

" OTH, I think that is happening at Reynolds Ranch. Originally it was suppose to be low density housing, but that changed. Now tell me, how are farmers suppose to keep farming with high density subdivisions built right up to their property line? "

OTH wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:08 AM:

" JF in other words you are saying we will have North Stkn high density slums as Lodi's perimeter? Sadly I think you aree right. Lodi is a nice place to die but if you want to live go to Stkn. "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 26, 2008 2:12 AM:

" More than happy to tell you, Lodian. The clue is in the question. You call yourself a "Lodian" yet you don't seem to want to make any effort to make your community better. Just slope off to the "nicer" shops. Those nice retail property developer fellows know most Lodians won't care enough about their community to make a strong effort (themselves, not just leaving it to others) to attract quality chains and (most importantly) independent retailers. In an age where shopping is recreation, you've got just what you deserve. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:37 PM:

" That WOULD be so wrong.

I can spell... just not tonight. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:36 PM:

" commonsense1, I don't think JF is against Delta. I think he is against destroying that beautiful river front country land out there. I did not understand the fight about Delta out there until I drove out there and checked out the site. A junior college has no place building on that river front property. And a gun range too? That wold be so wrong. "

commonsense1 wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:48 PM:

" Lodian, it's called "average income, education (lack of)and population base". I think JF's mentality is a perfect example of why retailers like a Trader Joe's, Olive Garden, etc. stay away from Lodi. Things like fighting the Delta College Campus don't do anything for our image either. To quote JF, "You reap what you sow Lodi!" "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:06 PM:

" JF: So, do we just have to decide to accept that we will not attract better stores, shops and restaurants? Or even a better JC for that matter?

"

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:54 PM:

" ElBombero: Are you gonna tell me? :-) "

JF wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:01 PM:

" So will the residential aspect of Lodi, The CC and willing accomplices will shove HIGH DENSITY low cost housing all around the perimeter of Lodi, Turn it all into saturated rental homes with a couple parks for gangs to take over and ta da, you have it. Instant slums. High crime, unnkept neighborhoods and rotten retail.
"

JF wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:57 PM:

" I must admit it puzzles me to hear the same complaints about not having a trader joes, The lodi Demo will never support it. The CC and their developer friends taste is for $$$ not for your designer grocery store, and the demo of people moving here proves it. Lodi will always be Wal Mart,Rancho San Miguel, Big K etc. Not exactly your Galleria environment. "

JF wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:53 PM:

" Like I said,"Lets face it, Lodi is what it is. A better place to live than shop, barely even that anymore. The more you try to dress her,"Lodi", up the fatter and uglier she gets. Spanos' plan is sexy and the population will support it. Compare his vision to Reynolds Ranch. RR will be a saturation of cheap crackerbox houses and a high density armpit with crappy overpriced retail. You reap what you sow Lodi! "
"

ElBombero wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Gosh Lodian, I'm really sorry you're sad about not getting 'nicer' stores. What is it about Lodi and the people who live (but don't shop) there that causes that? "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:10 AM:

" I just can't stand that we, in Lodi, will get a monster Wal-Mart and not all of these other nicer stores/restaurants. Ugh! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:08 AM:

" OTH: I agree. If they put another TJ's in Stockton, they will not put one in Lodi. I just wonder why the north Stockton location choice instead of bringing a new TJ into Lodi, which is a little further away from the first TJ Stockton location. It seems the new Stcokton TJ location is going to be way too close to the other. "

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Lodian if they're putting all these shops and such at 8 Mile Rd. do you really think they would duplicate them in Lodi? If it's true what they say about Trader Joe's choosing their demographics I don't see Lodi in their future. Unless we grow by another 50,000 to 60,000 people. "

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:09 AM:

" ElBombero thank you. A note of sanity is always appreciated. While it's nice to dream about the goodies down the road we also need to think about the not so nice consequences that may well accompany these changes, and there will be changes. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:54 AM:

" I think it's odd that they won't put a Trader Joe's in Lodi, yet they'll add another one in Stockton... and so close to the other one on Pacific and Ben Holt. Whom is keeping TJ's out of Lodi? "

Mrs. S. wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:35 AM:

" Another Trader Joe's? I'm there!

I share the concerns that Stockton's gangs will find this place and make their presence known.

However, Spanos Park seems like it's been able to keep these, ahem, lovely citizens away. Let's hope there's plenty of security and police protection to keep the place safe and gang-free. "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:58 AM:

" With a Cheescake Factory on their doorstep. Living the dream. "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:58 AM:

" Are you kidding? Mr Plassaras (http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=196201385) works for PA. I've used one of their competitors, Boston Consulting. This is not about creating a nice warm place for your families to frolic. It's about driving revenues. If Lodi benefits from its existence, fine. If it suffers, do you think PA or Spanos will care in the least? This is about capitalizing on an overheated Bay Area economy whose average cost of living has long ago outstripped its HH income. Families who have nowwhere to live but miles from work in pre-fab houses. "

OTH wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:29 PM:

" Leonard with the park being right across the street I don't imagine it will take too long. Didn't the park use part of that land for overflow parking? Where's that going to go? "

Leonard wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:19 PM:

" What a beautiful slum of tomorrow.

Everything Stockton touches turns to merde. It is just a matter of time until the first gang shooting hits this place. "

JF wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:09 PM:

" Lodi does not need to grow to prosper. It needs to IMPROVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. Growth is counter productive to everything the CC and chamber say they want. The more guys like Hansen and Johnson get their way, the faster into the toilet the good things about this town go. MARKET, IMPROVE AND DEVELOP WHAT WE HAVE! Our local economy will starve out the crap they dream of. "

JF wrote on Feb 24, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Lets face it, Lodi is what it is. A better place to live than shop, barely even that anymore. The more you try to dress her,"Lodi", up the fatter and uglier she gets. Spanos' plan is sexy and the population will support it. Compare his vision to Reynolds Ranch. RR will be a saturation of cheap crackerbox houses and a high density armpit with crappy overpriced retail. You reap what you sow Lodi! "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:32 PM:

" I should have known that !!! All the old Italians wear those. and the guy on Myth Busters. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:24 PM:

" I will be out there often with these three businesses opening.

• P.F. Chang's China Bistro
• Barnes and Noble bookstore
• Trader Joe's
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:22 PM:

"
WY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(hat) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:19 PM:

" WY: A fedora is a hat, like the ones worn in the 40's. The Humphrey Bogart look. :-)

"

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Cogito: "As long as people keep making people we will require growth"

Great comment. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:34 PM:

" I like that 6:47 post. it's true. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:31 PM:

" What's a fedora? Will it go with a lemon drop? or 2 or 3? lol He's a funny dry whiner guy. We need all types in here. Everyone is bothered with him just because he points and scretches like a pod person. The bummer for many is he hits the nail on the head alot. He might have spoke up at a CC meeting and they kicked him off the blogs. lol Hence the good ole boys. "

whoa nellie! wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:20 PM:

" Cog- I agree 110% I don't really agree with all of the development, but it is going to happen. My beef is with the lack of planning for the future. We need to add highways now!

Wy- i think T&C wears a fedora. "

Cogito wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:47 PM:

" As long as people keep making people we will require growth. If Lodi refuses to grow to meet the needs of the local population, the overflow of its citizenry will move to neighboring areas. There's nothing wrong with good growth. Spanos is doing nothing more than filling a need, that's why he's been such a successful businessman. He recognizes the needs and desires of people and local business and facilitates them. The bigger Stockton gets, the more power they will have over a small town like Lodi. There's nothing Hitchcock or anyone else on the Lodi council can do. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:35 PM:

" I'm gonna whine for the real T&C. Miss ya dude! You must have said some real bad stink poo to get ousted. lol! I think I know you! You have Blue eyes huh. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:31 PM:

" I want Joann's back in Lodi! I hate all the growth. I liked it when I drove out to Paradise, that here were fields and critters in the fields. I liked the road all wavey and bumpy. You had to cruz slow to keep the boat on the trailer. (lol! i was a river rat,thems my old stomp'n grounds.) "They paved Paradise to put up a parking lot" "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:11 PM:

" Let's face the facts: Stockton will continue to grow south as long as the economy supports development. I too like the current I-5/8 Mile Rd center. By the looks of this project it will have great retailers that I will support. "

Jack wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Dean, Tell AG I have a lot of acres for sale around Micke Grove. What a wonderful place for a county development like Morada. An estate type gated community for the $1 million plus homeowners not affected by the housing crunch. We have the park and a golf course. Lodi is not interested, but I bet AG is. "

sam wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:43 AM:

" fruitful47, you are getting a HUGE shopping center south of Harney. Lodi's CC already approved it. That is called Reynolds Ranch. a new Costco, a strip mall, Blue Shield, etc. Where have you been? Lodi is paving over land from Harney south to Scottsdale Road. From 99 to Lower Sac. "

Fruitful47 wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Sam alnd Dean, I agree with you. It will be great shopping and Lodi will lose the sales tax. Also, all the land up to Harney Lane is County so maybe the County will approve a shopping center for us on Harney Lane. Not! It will not happen here with the current council. "

wtf wrote on Feb 23, 2008 9:55 AM:

" My first thought was that the artist's rendition was of downtown Lodi - then I read the caption. It really does resemble downtown - except it has ponds.

Second thought was how Spanos wants to desperately "jump" Eight Mile Road. I remember the brouhaha a while back over re-naming Eight Mile Road Spanos Blvd. or something like that.

Third thought was that jramagic has a good point regarding upgrading Hwy 12 in conjunction with constructing this site.

Fourth thought was that Spanos must have seen "Field of Dreams".....build it and they will come. LOL!

"

sam wrote on Feb 23, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Thanks Dean. "

jramagic wrote on Feb 23, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Sounds like a great place where we folks west of Highway 5 will shop and spend money. Unfortunately, that won't happen if Highway 12 is not improved. I mean, who wants to shop till sunset and then have a nice dinner and then face "Death's Highway" to get back to Isleton, Rio Vista, Fairfield, etc? Not! So the developer should get involved in supporting the sorely needed safety upgrades to Highway 12 as a condition of project approval, IMO. "

Dean Plassaras wrote on Feb 23, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Sam, will do. IMHO the pressure along Hwy99 is much greater re: the two communities coming in close proximity. I fully understand the issue of not looking like LA cities w/ no visible borders. I-5 is an entirely different proposition,as it moves away from Lodi in a NW direction. Our hope is to create a place that either community would be proud to have access to and be associated with. This project can be an ambassador site that can direct tourism towards eclectic Lodi. "

Observer wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Well, well, well. May I politely suggest that all of those who are so concerned about the impact an expanded LOCAL Walmart will have on local businesses redirect your concerns to this project. This will have a far greater impact on local business (and the local economy) than Walmart's expansion into groceries. "

sam wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Personally I think it will be a great shopping area. I love the shopping center now at I-5 and 8 Mile Rd. Dean, if you have any say in the proposed theater for the area, implement an "Adult Only" (21 and over) screening with cell phones banned and I am there. "

sam wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Fruitful47, Lodi never had the opportunity to decide what happens to the land between Stockton and Lodi. That is county land that is not under Lodi's jurisdiction. Hitchcock's bullying was no match for the landowners attorneys.
Lodi blew it. They should have grabbed the land surrounding Micke Grove for city growth. Then they could have a say in what happens to it. "

Dean Plassaras wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:38 AM:

" The proposed project is primarily supported by the exceptional demographics of Spanos Park (mostly Bay Area profiles) with average HH incomes exceeding $100,000 within 1-mile radius. As a result, the location is chosen by national retailers and has the potential of becoming a high revenue generator for the entire area. My last name BTW is Plassaras not Plessaras. "

OTH wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:36 AM:

" Brian would you want to pour development money into East or South Stkn? Not when there's good flat farmland to pave over. I love the smell of asphalt and concrete in the summer. "

commonsense wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:38 AM:

" More lost farmland! Higher food prices as we rely on other countries to provide our basic needs. Greed and growth with be SJ downfall. "

Brian wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:36 AM:

" It seems to me Stockton prefers to move north with it's developments rather than moving E, W, or S. How long has this been their game plan and how much money is lining the pockets of our city council in bribes? Someone knows. "

Fruitful47 wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:19 AM:

" This has been in the wind for at least five years and Hitchcock said she could stop this growth. Before long Stockton will be our next door neighbor at Harney Lane and Lodi will have lost the opportunity to decide what the land between Lodi and Stockton will look like. We need Councilmembers who know how to get along with their neighbor cities to influence the decision making process. "

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