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Lodi's Pledge of Allegiance fuss
Let's be calm and let the Joe Serna Jr. school community decide this
Saturday, February 16, 2008 6:43 AM PST
Let's be calm and let the Joe Serna Jr. school community decide this any a Lodian's blood is aboil about some parents at Joe Serna Charter School questioning the daily recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.
The emotion is understandable. Serna School has a high population of students whose parents recently arrived in the U.S. We all want them and their kids to become good Americans.
Plus, the pledge is becoming an issue to shout about in the church-state debate.
But let's strive to be calm.
We adults are role models and teachers, like it or not. Our example influences all young people, every one of whom is a new American. We should nurture in them pride in democracy and their country. We should not scream at them or at each other.
So, what's the debate all about?
Many Americans see the pledge's declaration that America is "one nation under God" as an important statement of principle, a recognition that even a powerful nation must humble itself before the Almighty. Many Serna parents agree.
Others have mouthed the words of the pledge without reflection, without taking them heart.
Not so for Michael Newdow, who sued the Elk Grove School District. He is part of a movement among atheists to actively resist the requirement by schools that their children say they accept the role of "God" in guiding our nation. They point to the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom as protecting a lack of religious conviction.
Apparently this thinking is shared by a number of parents of Serna School students.
So how do three groups of Americans — the "gotta put God before country" group, the "don't care" group and the "can't make me say it" group — resolve their differences?
We would recommend democracy.
It won't feel right if the answer comes from the Lodi Unified School District board or the administration of Serna School. This is not an issue that will succumb easily to top-down government.
The real stake holders are the parents who chose to send their children to Serna School and, of course, the students. The rest of us should step back.
It may behoove the administration to create the forum for resolution. Perhaps a town hall meeting to create understanding of each sides' feelings, to air the facts and the arguments.
Remember, keep it calm.
Out of this town hall meeting should come sensible options. We were surprised to learn this week that the California Education Code doesn't require school children to recite the pledge. Charter schools don't have to do anything like the pledge, and public schools are only required to do something "patriotic" every day: sing a patriotic song, observe a moment of silence or read a short U.S. history lesson, for example.
These options and others — including the full pledge, nothing and an opt-out rule — could be put on a ballot.
Who should vote?
Of course, the parents are the adults, the guardians of their children and nurturers of their values. They will do just fine.
But why not let the kids vote?
If learning by doing is the best way, why not have them listen to the debate and then decide. That will teach them the most important lesson any American can learn — practical democracy.
Pure leftist hypocrisy
Speaking of democracy in action, how about Berkeley's City Council attempt to expel a Marine Corps recruiting office?
Pure leftist hypocrisy, in our book.
After all, we're sure the council members of Berkeley rabidly support the right to choose.
Shouldn't Marine recruiters have the right to invite the young men and women of Berkeley to sign up?
Shouldn't those young people have the right to consider such an opportunity?
And if every city sought to jettison recruiters, where would we be?
We'd have a draft.
No choice.
Just go.
We hardly think that would please the leaders of the People's Republic of Berkeley, as the late scribe Herb Caen described this bluest-of-the-blue burgs by the bay.
Faced with a fiery backlash, and the threat of losing both state and federal dollars, the Berkeley council reversed course this week — proving that even in Berkeley, common sense may eventually prevail.
— Lodi News-Sentinel
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Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:17 PM:
"Let him mumble in the corner."
That's funny! LOL "
BrokenL wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:03 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:26 PM:
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OTH wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:52 PM:
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OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 2:08 PM:
sam wrote on Feb 27, 2008 2:01 PM:
Sorry you all for the bold italics. "
Leonard wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:56 PM:
This is one of the reasons why I wish the LNS would install an edit function on these blogs. "
OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:33 PM:
sam wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:26 PM:
HEY LEONARD... can you fix my mess???? "
Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:15 PM:
sam wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:04 PM:
Did I ruin the whole blog.. or just my view?
This is fun.. you have created a monster.
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sam wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:00 PM:
Thanks Lodian
I hope thinks works
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Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 11:19 AM:
http://www.undergodprocon.org/ "
Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 11:16 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:30 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:10 AM:
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Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:04 AM:
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Lodian wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:03 AM:
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Jack wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:02 AM:
Nice whine. "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:43 PM:
and.....you can say whatever YOU want in here, including about God, being off topic, etc., but I can't.
pretty funny to watch, as it all plays into MY hands "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:39 PM:
call it "attacking" all you want. i begin by defending myself, KNOWING i AM being attacked. ....then-i-switch-on-the-lack-of-integrity-guns....i am very good at it...unlucky-for-you "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:29 PM:
.If any topic has God in it, one can be assured that "real facts" will be prowling and ready to pounce (roar and devour)) at a moments notice. No one gets out unscathed. Well, except Brian
for some reason").
yep. thats the promise i made to you and the others. i told you when you crossed the line with WY, that i would make sure that everytime you stepped out of line, i would comment on it.
cracks me up your "stalking" angle. you people talk about me ....EVERYDAY
brian-actually-does-know-God...i-only-come-after-the-phonies "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:22 PM:
Brian: It looks like you think that all of real facts off topic rantings are everyone elses fault. Isn't that the position of most abusive people? It's the fault of others because we made him do it, right"?).
what a joke. your off topic just as much as i am.
do you people even think before you post, that your about to embarrasss your own self so i don't have to do it for you?
at least make my job harder in here...gheesh "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:18 PM:
me knows. i don't want to have to continually babysit these peoples integrity, but i have to.
i have to do it day in and day out to demonstrate thier inability to silence my voice in here, and to demonstrate thier hypocriticalness.
it's dead straight boring - but necessary.
they only thing i don't like about it, and why it's boring, no ones given me a real run for my money in here. they hit and run. everytime. it's a joke
they are not even good at what they do (or "attempt" to do) "
brokenl wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:39 PM:
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OTH wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:34 PM:
sam wrote on Feb 26, 2008 4:14 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 3:58 PM:
Acting the victim, after abusing others, is the typical attitude of an abuser. It doesn't matter whether it's abuse in real life or cyber-bullying/stalking, it's the same sickness.
If any topic has God in it, one can be assured that "real facts" will be prowling and ready to pounce (roar and devour)) at a moments notice. No one gets out unscathed. Well, except Brian
for some reason.
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nylodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 3:23 PM:
lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:12 AM:
http://www.undergodprocon.org/ "
lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:44 AM:
Bold test
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Leonard wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:22 AM:
sam wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:15 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:52 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:51 AM:
Well, if she didn't want me to "(insert abusive behavior/act)" she wouldn't have shown up at the party. It's all her fault.
Or maybe "The devil made me do it"
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Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:47 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:47 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:45 AM:
Leonard wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:41 AM:
Yes! Let's blame the victim!
Its funny how conservatives will adopt the worst aspects of "political correctness" when it serves their own cause. "
Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:27 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:22 AM:
Leonard wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:11 AM:
Brian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:58 AM:
It makes for good entertainment. However, they aren't the least bit interested in debating the given topic.
If they were, you wouldn't be under their microscope.
"
Brian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 6:50 AM:
They aren't interested in having a civil dialogue with you. Talking to them is like talking to the wall. It's always the same people who you are at odds with. Or is it the same person with multiple handles? The world may never know. "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:34 AM:
there are (6) posts past your post to me, that didn't have ANYTHING to do with the topic.
lets see your sterling integrity in full view, by busting them for doing it.
if you have enough integrity in life to do that, VS. my accurate assessment of you playing "people" over truth, THEN i will heed your advice.
but, you don't have integrity in these matters, so you won't.
let's see you tell sam, lodian and brokenl the same thing.
you won't, because i am right about...you "
real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:27 AM:
maybe i need to spell it out a "lil" more clearly?
cut the "stalking" act, your making yourself look foolish. in a fair assessment of whats going on in here, YOU PEOPLE are stalking me. i leave for hours and i come back and have to answer all YOUR garbage. you guys do it to me, just-as-much-as-i-do-it-to-you
"if" i was stalking someone, i would be in EVERY blog THEY are in.....i-am-ONLY-in-blogs-having-to-do-with-God.....your"gig"-is-up "
Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:27 PM:
Nice to see you all on this board. "
Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:27 PM:
Thanks, BrokenL.
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sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:26 PM:
BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:29 PM:
BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:28 PM:
http://blog.fastcompany.com/archives/2007/07/03/cyber_bullying_its_not_about_sticks_and_stones.html
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BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:28 PM:
OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:54 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:54 AM:
real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 12:34 AM:
you never abandon hurting struggling people, but also you always defend against attacks upon our Lords word and authority.
it is very much our "job description" as believers in Jesus Christ to not allow for sin to prevail, or to allow IT to become whats definiable as far as morality.
we must above all, tell the truth at every turn. if we don't, we are not representing God accuretly. "
real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 12:29 AM:
God can only judge a person by two things (1)what God has revealed about himself to that person, and IF that person has accepted or rejected that knowledge. (2)if that person has NEVER had access to knowledge about God (i.e. his word), then God judges that person by thier heart, "if" that persons heart is TOWARD God, or against God.
God is 100% fair about that. and we should be too. if a persons heart is toward God, work WITH them no matter what "
real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 12:20 AM:
your 11:25am post is pure deflection.
the answer to that is NO. i intend on riding this one all the way to the bank. you can "try" your deflection from it all you want, with anybody else.
afterall, THEY buy it.
whats sad is after i bust you for it, they wiil STILL support you, because they pick people over truth.
i don't "
real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 12:16 AM:
All this garbage about who is posting with what handle etc is meaningless").
in any other case it would be. but not with you.
you being someone "else" proves you lie about who you are, and i intend on proving it, to demonstrate you really are what i said you are...an "ain't".
if i prove that you are, your game in here becomes front and center.
if i am wrong about it, you get your wish as i will leave, and never come back.
oh it's important allright "
brokenl wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:50 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:25 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:17 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:14 AM:
to: real_facts (under_score guy):
Thanks so much for all your positive posts. Also, thanks for stating that I am not posting as "real_facts". It just doesn't matter to "real facts" though as he will persist on these trivial matters. It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it the guy will always call you a liar. No one deserves to be treated like that here. Unfortunately, this guy RF is allowed to post his garbage multiple times and on every board continuing to stay off topic for weeks at a time.
Take care. :-) "
real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:03 AM:
real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:58 AM:
That is a false statement. I am not Lodian. I do not know Lodian. I forgive you. "
WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:16 AM:
WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:11 AM:
WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:06 AM:
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WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:00 AM:
WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:58 AM:
realfact...What if there is NO knowlrdge of anything Biblical? What it a human suffered all his live long day and knew nothing but to eat and drink of this earth? Or a victum with hate and pain in their heart . Do i walk away? Do I lash out and hate them, or when they speak of their knowledge of life, do i strike at them because their dirty? "
real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:05 AM:
let it be known that "lee"...is really lodian. lodian has been lying about it, for several blogs after i busted her about it.
the fruitcake still brings "lee" out to play once in a awhile. it's her "tough man" persona
she is also behind the "real_facts" persona.
now maybe you know why i have to "demonstrate" who she "isn't" in here so much... "
real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:01 AM:
He says God is telling him to go off on people on a blog? So he can read and recite Bible passages. Okay, then what? He crushes people").
even if i never "heard" from God in my entire life, Gods word is still explicit in it's demands of a believer to defend Gods authority, by fending off "un-truths" about God at every-turn.
if YOU are "crushed under" the weight of that truth, thats on you...not me.
i just tell the truth. you fall on your own sword after i do "
real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:54 AM:
The bad part RF is that you are someone I usually DO agree with, especially on religious matters").
whats "bad" about picking the truth in life? both about biblical truth, and about people? you should
"if" i do tell the truth about both, you should not be embarrassed about it, you should without exception, pick truth over people and agenda.
"if" i don't, you can excuse yourself from it.
p.s., i am not sure if your apology was sincere, or "veiled" as something else "
real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:48 AM:
He's a coward").
im a "coward" huh? since i don't back down from anyone...
at least i don't have gender issues (like you do), and pull a new persona out of the sky to try and intimidate people because you couldn't handle your business.
give it up lodian. just get the sex change and get it over with if your are still going to post-as-"lee".
your now confusing cogito because "they" thought you were a she. now cogito doesn't know WHO you are ......obviously you don't either.
(laughing) "
real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:42 AM:
Lee.... I quit a chuch because the Pastor didn't believe that I seen, felt, or hear the Holy Spirit").
good. you should have. but don't be afraid of going somewhere else. now you know the value of not handing your "mind" (and realtionship with Christ) over to another.
remember, not everyone...."is that guy" "
WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:50 PM:
WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:49 PM:
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WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:49 PM:
WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:40 PM:
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WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:38 PM:
WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:32 PM:
Lee wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:52 AM:
Lee wrote on Feb 23, 2008 12:45 AM:
" The bad part RF is that you are someone I usually DO agree with, especially on religious matters. "
REALLY?
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Cogito wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:50 PM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:43 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:11 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:11 PM:
T & C wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:01 PM:
real_facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:54 PM:
Love is an act of endless forgiveness.
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Sensible Sage wrote on Feb 22, 2008 3:43 PM:
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real_facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:24 PM:
real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:02 PM:
Your game is one-dimensional, predictable, and mostly boring").
bummer that it IS predictable.
thats not a good thing, and the reason it's not, is that i have to KEEP busting peoples chops for their integrity failures in here. to be "predicting" thats going to happen day and day out - thats a bad thing. it's also a true barometer of whats going on in here.
it's only "one dimensional" if your playing for the wrong team. "
real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:57 PM:
awhile back in a different blog, you took a swipe at me. it wasn't from a "civilised_discussion" angle. it was a swipe. as you can tell by now, i take nothing off of anybody, and give them a little "whats what" in return.
so your posturing back then, set the tone. what i did is merely called you on the fact that you straight across the board give "props" to someome who is less than stellar, integrity wise, in the religion blog.
so don't act the victim cogito. "
OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:34 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:32 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:31 AM:
WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:46 AM:
nylodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:46 AM:
Do you realize real_facts, (notice the underscore), is a different blogger than the other one? It took me a while to catch on, too. I think WY blew a gasket over it (Just kidding, WY!) :) "
Cogito wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:37 AM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:31 AM:
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:26 PM:
lodian, you keep claiming your a Christian, shouldn't you be concerned with billy's soul?
successes in life are great, but the measure of a man is how he is obedient to God.
you should have quoted him this;
"for what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his own soul"
you could reach the pinnacle in life, (ala bill gates who claims there is no need for God), but lose it all in eternity because you pushed God away.
he won't listen to me...so YOU tell-him "
Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:25 PM:
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:18 PM:
Hey RF, my respect for Lodian comes from MY exchanges. Lodian is as good at backing up claims as anyone I've ever encountered here. My respect for Lodian is earned. Maybe you will get a chance to earn it too").
i watch you in other blogs cogito, so maybe i will dismiss your high five of lodian as "ignorance"....at least in your non-observation of "her" in these blogs. because in these blogs, she lies without conscience, and IF you support that, by affliation, your no better than her. IF you don't condemn-lying....that-means-you-approve-of-it "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:10 PM:
tell me your not that creepy dude in the ice cream truck that cruises our neighborhood.
billy, YOU don't even know who you are, how am "I" supposed to recognize you? "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:05 PM:
until then, i own my words
p.s. i thought you couldn't read what i post? (laughing) "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:03 PM:
" Real Fact for bring "so drop dead gorgeous" you are one ugly dude").
you have me confused with billy rubin.
he's the one thats "drop dead gorgeous" on the outside (according to HIS assesment), but has an evil ugly heart on the inside. his priorities will get him more dates with men, but his ugly heart will cause him to miss God.
me, i am an average looking guy with a stellar heart. remember OTH, God looks on the heart of a man, and if he see's obedience, God see's "stellar" "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:55 PM:
Am I seriously being accused of being the person behind your name "real_facts"?
"real_facts" accused YOU of being him?
when did THAT happen?
laughing.
your so bad at this, you can't even keep your lies/stories straight
your "fruitcake" is withering in the sun
"
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:52 PM:
(1)if you can't read my posts, how did you know i was "accusing you"?
(2) lied to WY about lying about me being brian, by "trying" to cover it up
(3) lied about not being real_facts
(4) or "lee" in the same sentence
gee, four in one day. good job. you are right on track with who you claimed to be.
don't fret though....people in here still support you, even though you lie without conscience. obviously they don't possess one either "
Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:01 PM:
Hey, thanks! You're coooool!
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Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:59 PM:
Am I seriously being accused of being the person behind your name "real_facts"? I only post as Lodian, so that can't be the truth. I sure like your syle though. Keep it up! :-)
"
OTH wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:24 PM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:15 PM:
OTH wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:07 PM:
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:16 PM:
nylodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 7:11 PM:
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:59 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:47 PM:
I'll have you know I'm positively DROP-DEAD GORGEOUS. A year and a half out of Lodi High I moved to NYC for 9 years working as a male model before I moved back to California (LA) for TV work.
I only moved back home to Lodi a couple of years ago. Good thing I made enough money to retire, huh Reverend?
If you actually thought about it, you'd know who I am. You have seen me, there is positively no doubt. "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:40 PM:
what did that have to do with me as per your rediculous implication? guess what girard, i am still standing while all of you were high fiving yourselves thinking it was me they booted
the LNS contacted me for the 1st time today.....to notify me that i am posting the same posts-more-than-once.......your inSINuations-are-nasty "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:32 PM:
real facts, I have no idea who you are, but I find your blogs way off topic and in poor taste. Please stay on topic").
either play the game of life fairly, or don't play at all.
you say nothing when everybody else is coming at me, and chide me when i respond.
if you think i am going to sit here and not respond when they ask me a question, or attack me, your in la la land.
lets see a display of your great integrity by asking others to do the same. otherwise you are...talking-to-yourself "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:26 PM:
Hey real facts whats your deal? I dont really know whats going on here but you seem very unstable. Why do you post everything multiple times").
i assure you with my life, i am NOT doing it on purpose. my comp is doing it somehow and hopefully somebody with knowledge about how that happens will step up and help me solve it, so it doesn't do it again.
i apologize "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:23 PM:
sure. having your husband type a few words here and there, doesn't let you squeek by on a technicallity.
answer the question as lodian. i want to see lodian answer the question in her own sceename so i can put her on the hook. "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:19 PM:
For some reason he has carte blanche to do and say what he wants while the Grand Poobah pushes the delete button on the rest of us").
cheese with that whine?
i told you, i tell the truth about you people within the rules. i defend my self when busloads of you people come at me. but the real deal is this....if it wasn't me and it was someone else telling you the same things, it's STILL true.
the truth always has "staying power" "
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:18 PM:
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:14 PM:
your not afraid to answer that question, are you? "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:13 PM:
nope. everything i said was what i meant. i own every word to you, and the others, as you became "me" to lie about me apologizing to "them".
nope, i own every word, because it's the truth about "you people".
don't worry LODIAN, your buddies in here will still support you even though you LIED trying to be me....because-they-pick-"people"-over-truth "
Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:13 PM:
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:09 PM:
" One can only hope, Lodian").
now wait a minute....i thought you said on another blog "may peace be with you"?
like i said, you need to pick the side of the fence you want to play on in life.
i was right about you then, and i still am.....your a hypocrite....and thats the truth about you(for right now at least).
calling for my head, and then when she finds out i am still here "peace be with you". what a joke "
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:04 PM:
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:02 PM:
if i had said definitively that it was you, you would be getting my apology for being wrong...
i said "i think"
actually, despite your ugliness, i don't mind you being around as your easily handled....and with your help, i get to use you to demonstrate that the others aren't even in the ballpark of who they claim to be.
where can i send you a b-day card? "
real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 5:58 PM:
Wow, just catching up with some backlog, looks like I missed some good ones with you and your buddy RF. I admire your ability to maintain the high road, good job").
the "high road"? wow.
so you high five someone who constantly lies about someone, who gets busted for it, and she NEVER apologized even while claiming she is a "Christian"? and that definition is considered a "high road" to you?
i hate to see what your "low road" is "
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 5:29 PM:
Billy Rubin wrote on Feb 21, 2008 5:02 PM:
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:48 PM:
real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:45 PM:
Lodi Resident wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:42 PM:
You will be happy to know I am still here.
LR "
Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 3:43 PM:
OTH wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:37 PM:
OTH wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM:
sam wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:01 AM:
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Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:13 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:11 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:31 AM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:10 AM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 20, 2008 11:02 PM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:39 PM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:28 PM:
citizen wrote on Feb 20, 2008 7:20 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 20, 2008 3:03 PM:
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girard74 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 1:47 PM:
As for others, they are probably just tired of your worn-out ranting - you need to learn when to simply 'let it go.'
In response to anyone trying to 'silence' you, yesterday the Lodi News-Sentinel took the extraordinary step of deleting posts from more than a 24-hour period. I was greatly disturbed by that. If you didn't get the message from that action, then there is something very wrong with you. "
Maxwell wrote on Feb 20, 2008 1:04 PM:
real facts wrote on Feb 20, 2008 12:54 PM:
"they" have one common goal, that "they" have been collectively working towards...to discredit me, so they can silence me. when they post that "blocked" message, thier hope is to influence others to ignore me. my goal in here towards them will ALWAYS be the same.....to demonstrate consistently these people have no integrity in here....it's-what-i-do "
real facts wrote on Feb 20, 2008 12:46 PM:
girard74 bless you for trying, but I'm afraid it just isn't going to work. This went on on the discussion boards as well").
your right on both accounts. it is not possible to detour me from my responsibility in here. as long as the opposition raises it's ugly head, i am here to stay.
funny OTH how you insinuated that what went on in the discussion boards was MY fault too. obviously you then approve of an atheist pounding God right and left unabated. i merely put that evil in place.
your playing...for-the-wrong-"team" "
jeff wrote on Feb 20, 2008 11:31 AM:
Maxwell wrote on Feb 20, 2008 11:14 AM:
girard74 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:44 AM:
Perhaps, but I wouldn't be so absolute about it. For some, their faith in a supreme being and their need/desire for their leaders to have some sort of belief system is essential. I would state that the two do not 'necessarily' go hand in hand. "
Robb wrote on Feb 20, 2008 10:11 AM:
jeff wrote on Feb 20, 2008 9:29 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:39 AM:
girard74 wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:23 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:20 AM:
Cogito wrote on Feb 20, 2008 1:12 AM:
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:36 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger Real Facts to your ignore list").
sure you are. you read everything i write, because you can't help yourself.
just like leonard and lodian. you three have the same yellow streak running down your back.
it's ok though as it plays fully into my hands. i can make you all look like a fool by countering your garbage, and now because you "can't read it",you can't respond right?
you people play in the minor leagues "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:18 PM:
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real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:17 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger Real Facts to your ignore list").
sure you are. you read everything i write, because you can't help yourself.
just like leonard and lodian. you three have the same yellow streak running down your back.
it's ok though as it plays fully into my hands. i can make you all look like a fool by countering your garbage, and now because you "can't read it", you can't respond right?
you people play in the minor leagues "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:15 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger Real Facts to your ignore list").
sure you are. you read everything i write, because you can't help yourself.
just like leonard and lodian. you three have the same yellow streak running down your back.
it's ok though as it plays fully into my hands. i can make you all look like a fool by countering your garbage, and now because you "can't read it", you can't respond right?
you people play in the minor leagues "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:14 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger Real Facts to your ignore list").
sure you are. you read everything i write, because you can't help yourself.
just like leonard and lodian. you three have the same yellow streak running down your back.
it's ok though as it plays fully into my hands. i can make you all look like a fool by countering your garbage, and now because you "can't read it", you can't respond right?
you people play in the minor leagues "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 10:07 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger Real Facts to your ignore list").
sure you are. you read everything i write, because you can't help yourself.
just like leonard and lodian. you three have the same yellow streak running down your back.
it's ok though as it plays fully into my hands. i can make you all look like a fool by countering your garbage, and now because you "can't read it", you can't respond right?
you people play in the minor leagues "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 10:02 PM:
Real Fool you made the same posting 5 times. You're still full of crap").
my computer went a little nutty last night, the same thing happened on some other threads.
OTH; you and the "others" aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer...you all lied about blocking me. you couldn't have read my post, and made the above response.
really what you people are using the block feature for, is to "pretend" you can't read it, so you can all wuss out from responding when i paint you intellectually against the wall.
it's what chicken-people-do "
Oh Bull ! wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:57 PM:
OTH wrote on Feb 19, 2008 8:26 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 3:22 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 3:20 PM:
OTH wrote on Feb 19, 2008 2:01 PM:
Lodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 10:20 AM:
OTH wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:39 AM:
jeff wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:34 AM:
Leonard wrote on Feb 19, 2008 8:47 AM:
What we are calling for is the Restoration of the traditional pledge which saw our forefathers through two World Wars and the Great Depression.
The traditional Pledge is MORE TRADITIONAL, MORE INCLUSIVE and thus MORE PATRIOTIC.
The time has come to end the politics of disunion and division and to restore the Pledge that was originally written for ALL AMERICANS. "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 12:45 AM:
what i don't agree with is when someone asserts that "we" have to cave to thier demands in arenas of life where they don't belong. including those demands being trumpeted by liberals worrying about being "PC" and "inclusive", and masquerading as people of "faith"
giving into the demands of those who want to destroy faith, is not the earmark of those who claim faith.
to those of us OF faith....it is akin to aiding and abetting the enemy.
ask all they want.....the answer is still NO + NEVER "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 12:44 AM:
what i don't agree with is when someone asserts that "we" have to cave to thier demands in arenas of life where they don't belong. including those demands being trumpeted by liberals worrying about being "PC" and "inclusive", and masquerading as people of "faith"
giving into the demands of those who want to destroy faith, is not the earmark of those who claim faith.
to those of us OF faith....it is akin to aiding and abetting the enemy.
ask all they want...the answer is still NO + NEVER "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 12:43 AM:
what i don't agree with is when someone asserts that "we" have to cave to thier demands in arenas of life where they don't belong. including those demands being trumpeted by liberals worrying about being "PC" and "inclusive", and masquerading as people of "faith"
giving into the demands of those who want to destroy faith, is not the earmark of those who claim faith.
to those of us OF faith.....it is akin to aiding and abetting the enemy.
ask all they want....the answer is still NO + NEVER "
real facts wrote on Feb 19, 2008 12:43 AM:
what i don't agree with is when someone asserts that "we" have to cave to thier demands in arenas of life where they don't belong. including those demands being trumpeted by liberals worrying about being "PC" and "inclusive", and masquerading as people of "faith"
giving into the demands of those who want to destroy faith, is not the earmark of those who claim faith.
to those of us OF faith...it is akin to aiding and abetting the enemy.
ask all they want....the answer is still NO + NEVER "
real facts wrote on Feb 18, 2008 11:59 PM:
what i don't agree with is when someone asserts that "we" have to cave to thier demands in arenas of life where they don't belong. including those demands being trumpeted by liberals worrying about being "PC" and "inclusive", and masquerading as people of "faith"
giving into the demands of those who want to destroy faith, is not the earmark of those who claim faith.
to those of us OF faith....it is akin to aiding and abetting the enemy.
ask all they want....the answer is still NO + NEVER "
OTH wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:19 PM:
lodi native wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:13 PM:
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judy wrote on Feb 18, 2008 2:50 PM:
Leonard wrote on Feb 18, 2008 1:06 PM:
I say that we should immediately restore the traditional Pledge to its rightful place in American society and, in doing so, put all of this rancor and division behind us. "
LF wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:35 PM:
Leonard wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:11 PM:
What purpose is served by continuing to use the divisive McCarthyite Pledge as the official text? "
LF wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:04 PM:
nylodian wrote on Feb 17, 2008 3:44 PM:
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jlawrenceendicott wrote on Feb 17, 2008 3:17 PM:
danielh wrote on Feb 17, 2008 10:10 AM:
Giovanina wrote on Feb 17, 2008 9:00 AM:
max stanfield wrote on Feb 16, 2008 3:39 PM:
wtf wrote on Feb 16, 2008 2:05 PM:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Here's a link to the history:
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
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T & C wrote on Feb 16, 2008 12:02 PM:
Brian wrote on Feb 16, 2008 10:48 AM:
Will all the agnostics please stand up
first, you'll need a head start. LOL "
jim fox wrote on Feb 16, 2008 10:27 AM:
Brian wrote on Feb 16, 2008 8:22 AM:
school children don't have the ability to discern things. Let's be a little more open-minded about things. Just as you attack me on other bloggs, your reputation as an atttacker precedes you here. "
voter wrote on Feb 16, 2008 7:51 AM:
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