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Monday, February 25, 2008 7:12 AM PST

I was amazed that some parents were debating whether or not their darling children should have to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance at the Joe Serna Charter School. What is there to debate?

Any kid who goes to school in the U.S. should be proud to be educated in the United States, should be proud of their country and the flag that represents it. They should be required to pledge allegiance to the flag and gladly do so. It teaches them love of country and the principles it stands for. And, since our forefathers founded this country on a belief in God, and the fact that God gives us certain rights that no human being can take away from us, they should be proud to say that we are one nation under God. How can that harm a child?

I would like to go one step further and say that they should recite the Our Father along with the pledge just like kids did in this country for about 200 years. Kids should be taught moral principles in school. I don’t think the schools should promote any particular religion, but there is certainly no reason why kids can’t be taught that it is wrong to steal, lie or fight, and that they should have respect for other people’s property.

Maybe if we taught kids moral principles, we wouldn’t have teenagers bringing guns to school and killing each other with them. Maybe we would have fewer teen pregnancies, and perhaps we would have more respect for law and order in our society.

While I am at it, I would recommend that they be taught how to read, write a simple paragraph and do simple mathematical equations. I would like to go to a fast food restaurant and, if my bill came to $4.85, be able to give the clerk $5.10 and have them know that they should give me back a quarter.

I see nothing wrong with educating kids, and if they learn love of God, country and their fellow human beings, I say it is a good thing.

Karl Welsbacher

Lodi

Reader Feedback

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 7:33 PM:

" cool, OTH. I love it. "

OTH wrote on Mar 1, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Back to back
We faced each other
Drew our swords
And shot each other. "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Wherever you be, let your wind blow free,
For holding it in was the death of me. "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:17 AM:

" As I was going to the fair,
I met a man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today,
I wish that man would go away! "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:14 AM:

" I love you I love you, with all heart and soul,
if I had a donut I'd give you the hole "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:08 AM:

" There I met an old man
Who couldn’t say his prayers
So I took him by the left leg
And threw him down the stairs "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:07 AM:

" This old man, he played one;
He played knick-knack on my thumb.
With a knick-knack, paddy whack,
Give a dog a bone;
This old man came rolling home. "

sam wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:05 AM:

" Well OTH, I love that rhyme. "

OTH wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:58 AM:

" wears a black pointy hat
posts are all flat
so he sits on his roof
pathetical goof. "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:39 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:56 PM:Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven").

same thing lodian said to me over and over in the blogs about homosexuality.

more proof

interesting how you switched from matthew's version, to the book of luke.

matthew expounded on the judging matter by saying you CAN judge, but you have to do it righteously and on target.

if Christians didn't judge sin, sin would prevail over the church. they are commanded to

wrong again.....lodian
"

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:32 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:56 PM: John 2:9. Whoever says he is in the Light and [yet] hates his brother {Christian, born again child of God his Father] is in darkness even until now").

good thing you don't fall into that category, then i WOULD be in trouble.

by biblical definition your an "ain't". because it says that true believers DON'T LIE without conscience.

in fact lying without conscience is one of the most OBVIOUS ways to tell a person is an "ain't".

nope....your an "ain't" alright "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:27 PM:

" lodian; you forgot proverbs 6:17 that states ONE of the things God hates most "a lying tongue".

i don't bear false witness, because i am not about to get myself in trouble with God. thats why i bet my life that it IS you.

evidently you can lie without conscience "

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:58 PM:

" God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. (NLT, 1 John 4:16)

Good night. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:58 PM:

" Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Exodus 20:16) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:57 PM:

" John 2:9. Whoever says he is in the Light and [yet] hates his brother {Christian, born again child of God his Father] is in darkness even until now. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:56 PM:

" "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven."

~Luke 6:37~ "

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Laugh all you want. I KNOW THE TRUTH. . I am not Lodian.

"And be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

~Ephesians 4:32~
"

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:45 PM:

" "real_facts"/lodian: funny you use the phrase 'bearing false witness'.

thats the same exact phrase you ran to, out of all the no no's in proverbs 6.

when we discussed that, thats the phrase you used.

more evidence against you? nah. not according to OTH. doesn't matter how much you slip up lodian, "they" will always lie FOR you

(laughing) "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:41 PM:

" lodian: doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that while you are lying, NO ONE but me is saying anything to you about it?

that must make you feel that what your doing is accepatable.

that's how a deluded mind works anyway.

imaginary friends + accessory to the crime "friends".....nice. man do i ever envy you "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:36 PM:

" Cogito: on your Feb 27 9:29 AM post....i understand totally where you are coming from. if you knew me, you would know i am not a "fire and brimstone" kind of guy. BUT, i will tell the truth when the opportunity presents itself. the "opportunity" in here comes in the form of opposition. opposition against Gods standards, while "claiming" they are a "Christian. as a Christian, i oppose it just like Christ did, and just like paul did....by putting people in their place....and-demonstrating-who-they-really-are

lodian's "salvation"? if i don't oppose her sin, she will die "thinking" she is-right-with-God.....and-so-will-everyone-else "

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:32 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:18 PM:
" OTH: one thing you can bet your life on, you will NEVER catch me in a lie, because i DON'T lie."

Sorry, but you are lying again. I am not Lodian. You should quit bearing false witness. I forgive you. "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:28 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:01 AM:
My question is, How does someone know what server another person has. How can realfacts find out what server anyone has")>

WY, you have been suckered into believing that by those in here who have resorted to lying about me, by lying about what i "can do", or "would do".

i give you my word that i have no idea about any of this garbage thier making up.

i assure you with my life, they are lying about it to strike fear into you, so my words TO YOU fall flat.
THATS EVIL
they are lying "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:23 PM:

" ("Jack wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:05 AM:
Actually RF, I would refer to you as a "hate monger" too. And I too am not Lodian").

tell you what jack, just so i don't jump the gun, and i pile you into the non-integrity bus with the rest of them in here....for coming in here and taking a swipe at me then running away... how about you explain to me, that what i do / say in here equates to "hate".

can't wait to see that

or are you one of those revolving turnstile - hit and run artists?
"

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:18 PM:

" OTH: one thing you can bet your life on, you will NEVER catch me in a lie, because i DON'T lie.

unlike you, because your game is that weak "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:16 PM:

" OTH: do you need me to muddy up this blog, by dragging my "proof" of circumstancial evidence on lodian, that you try and deny, over here?

the "natives" have already been yelling at me for taking over the blogs, answering garbage like yours.

ask me again, and i will drag it over here....so you can cover for lodian some more.

be glad to "

real facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:12 PM:

" ("Cogito wrote on Feb 27, 2008 6:56 PM:
OTH, according to RF there are only two bloggers, RF and everyone else").

come on cogito, i know you have it in you to play nice. i have witnessed you doing it before. you know i don't believe that

lodian is the only one with three "personalities" in here.

all the rest of you only have "one" for which you can shoulder your blame of hypocrisy.

maybe that's why lodian does it. creating someone "else" to shoulder the blame. (laughing) "

Cogito wrote on Feb 27, 2008 6:56 PM:

" OTH, according to RF there are only two bloggers, RF and everyone else. We're all the same person. Trust me RF, I only blog under Cogito. I'm not schizophrenic, and neither am I. "

OTH wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Cogito maybe it's time for real facts to put what proof he has on the table in the open. My guess is he doesn't have any but like all bullies is willing to lie to keep his sick mind going. We have had posters like this in the past but not to this extent, that when you call them on it and basically say put up or go away they disappear. Just an idea. "

Jack wrote on Feb 27, 2008 10:05 AM:

" Actually RF, I would refer to you as a "hate monger" too. And I too am not Lodian.
Chew on that.
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:38 AM:

" "you-ARE-lodian...i-would-bet-my-life-on-it "

Please do not give up your life over a lie. That is a foolish statement. Once again, I am not Lodian.

God loves you.

Only a very immature believer would claim that God doesn't love ALL sinners. In case you may have forgotten, we're ALL sinners... "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
"

Cogito wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:29 AM:

" Hey RF, does the concept of "Christlikeness" ever come up at your church, or is it all fire and brimstone. One only has to read your blogs to understand that you don't care a whit about Lodians salvation. All you care about is being right. So stop with the admonitions. It makes you come off as a liar. "

WY wrote on Feb 27, 2008 8:01 AM:

" Leonard... are you around? I trust you an I would like to speak to you for a minute. I have to drop the kids at school, but I'll be right back. I hope you're hang'n out this morning.
My question is, How does someone know what server another person has. How can realfacts find out what server anyone has? Is there a place on this site that shows our info? I'll be right back. "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:02 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:34 PM: But I see you for who you really are... a lying, hate monger").

"hate monger". those are the EXACT words lodian used against me in another blog. coinkadink? NOPE.

lodian, i realize your not exactly the brightest bulb in the room....but when i am saying i am "compiling evidence against you", it's not "bright" to hand deliver your opponent some more.

your so "entranced" with your persona's, you can't even remember which one said what. laughing.

i can though.

your busted (again)

of course your "off topic" (again) "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:56 PM:

" real_facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:34 PM: (" i hope you can someday find God").

my aim for you is much lower. right now i am hoping you can RAISE yourself out of the gutter that your non conscience lying behavior has placed you. the second step would be that you would get rid of all those "friends" floating around in your head.

then MAYBE.....you can find GOD

lodian, cut the multiple personality circus act.

even your "buddies" in here are becoming wise to the fact it's you, because "lodian" keeps rising to the surface.

i am good at this, and you are NOT "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:50 PM:

" brokenl: high five yourself for being the latest to run off after coming at me first, and then blaiming me for not sticking around once you met your match.

running away from a truth, doesn't make it "less true". it just prolongs the inevitiable. makes no difference if it's me, or some other Christian that won't sit there and watch you jerk thier chain.

the truth will follow you around. doesn't have anything to do with me

but maybe next time you will show a little respect? if your smart you will "

brokenl wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:54 PM:

" " RF, if I have crossed your imaginary line, then I apologize. The only thing you do is attack.Your a bully behind a computer screen.Good for you.You are a sad and pathetic person and I'm done with you.I will not respond to you again.I will still read your nonsense but remember this, everytime you type your pathetic dribble in, I will be grinning and shaking my head because I truly believe that you are nuts.You are gods self elected "disciple-of-the-blog", and I think you have chosen wisely mighty knight.Get help. Peace. "
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:34 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:20 PM:
" i am still compiling the evidence"

I can only speak for myself. You again are lying and bear false witness against Lodian. You have proven to me that you are a liar because I am not Lodian. I forgive you.
But I see you for who you really are... a lying, hate monger. i hope you can someday find God. "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:24 PM:

" OTH: we have to do another integrity check on you today, because you seem to "invite" me to do it from time to time.

i DID post something "on topic", and you didn't high five me for it. where were you on that one?

plus lodian/"real_facts" went off topic, where were you on that one?

true integrity doesn't travel down a one way street, until it hits a "dead end" "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:20 PM:

" i am still compiling the evidence, but you have seen me demonstrate some on her already.

i don't mind putting you ALL on the hook for approving the lying behavior of lodian.

you approve it, you only do because you swim in that same river.

thats the truth.

a person of integrity ALWAYS picks truth over people. God certainly does "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:16 PM:

" ("real_facts Feb 26 10:38 AM; your lies have shown me what kind of man you really are. You lie (about me) and your words are full of hate. I choose not to listen to your hate anymore. You do not know God. If you can lie that easily about me (you do not even know me), then you can lie about the word of God.

I am not Lodian").

thats pure lodian speaking.

lodian always ran to the "hate" angle when all else failed. then lodian turned around and used "my-words"-and-phrases-against-me.......you-ARE-lodian...i-would-bet-my-life-on-it "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:11 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:33 AM:
"When will you be apologizing for this attack? It's a lie and you know it").

unlike you, i speak the truth. so an "apology" won't be needed. don't worry, i am still compiling evidence to prove i am right.

the latest evidence....you (lodian) going around in every blog (just about) poo-pooing me attacking your second handle garbage as if it's "no big deal". if that isn't pure lodian deflection tactics, i don't know what is.

when you were "lee" and i busted you, your very next post was one of innocent dismissle. the EXACT-same-response...if-you-"weren't"-lee,....you-would-have-chopped-my-head-off.....your-lying-again....as-usual "

lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Peace be with you, real_facts (under_score). "

real_facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 10:38 AM:

" real facts Feb 26, 2008 1:03 AM, your lies have shown me what kind of man you really are. You lie (about me) and your words are full of hate. I choose not to listen to your hate anymore. You do not know God. If you can lie that easily about me (you do not even know me), then you can lie about the word of God.

I am not Lodian. I forgive you. My God is God of love. Worship your hate all you want. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 26, 2008 9:33 AM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:13 PM:

"lodian, your phoniness is easily displayed, and your internet service provider is the same as lodian's. busted"

When will you be apologizing for this attack? It's a lie and you know it.
"

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 1:03 AM:

" lodian: where's "real_facts" today?

did they scold you for having multiple persona's in here, after i alerted them to it?

"real_facts" is strangely missing in the blogs today.

i wonder why?

nope. your "only" lodian

gotcha "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:19 AM:

" "(real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:27 PM: OTH; i will think about you when i am singing the national anthem at the hockey game tonight").

i kept my word, i always do.

"

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:13 AM:

" don't bother changing the pledge, as the current pledge represents the majority of americans, because the majority of americans DO believe in God...so leave it FOR that reason.

i am tired of this political correctness garbage that is ruining this country, just because a "few" aren't getting thier way.

it's still a "majority" issue. when americans vote, the majority wins. if this issue were to be voted on, it wouldn't change.

you don't want to say God? fine, then don't. but don't change it because the "minority" screams for it.

you can always move to the netherlands, if you don't like it "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:07 AM:

" ("OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:05 PM:
well real facts it was nice while it lasted but your last post to me was gibberish. I haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about. Who's going to hang Dan and I out together"?).

thats the problem, you don't have a clue. but hang around long enough, and i will keep dropping them and, then you won't have an "excuse".

it's your natural progression.

think about my past comments about dan/billy rubin. then factor in again what i said about "location".

in the end, you cannot come up with a viable "excuse" "

real facts wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:02 AM:

" ("BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:34 PM:
I won't be tested by anyone RF.Your tests of people in here go directly to the article above").

of course you won't, because it was a test of integrity, and you copped right out of it....making-your-weak-excuse-above. it proved that you pick people .....over-"truth"

i wish i had a dollar for everytime someone came in here to take me to task on sumthin or other...then when i turn the tables on them to demonstrate thier being hyopcritical about it by calling ME out on something alot of YOU already do, you cop out and run.

happens-every-time......remember,YOU-came-at-me-first "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:10 PM:

" JACKMAX: Good night. Thanks for helping in bringing back the boards to some semblance of normalcy. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:08 PM:

" JACKMAX: "Morals are somthing that is taught" That is absolutely right. Kids aren't born with morals. That's our job as parents. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Old guy out it's past my bed time. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Tradition is important in raising our children. The knowledge of history and what really has happened in this country (and the world) is also as important. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:06 PM:

" Ever since my first blog it's not about god it's about country.I was not raised going to chruch alot.Morals are somthing that is taught,not somthing that only god can give you.People have to teach thier kids to treat people the way they want to be treated and thats about it. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:04 PM:

" Thinking of American tradition makes me realize we should go ahead and bring back the original pledge though. Leonard's comments were well stated on this topic and made a lot of sense (guess they got buried in the tsunami of off topic posts...ugh). By the way, where is Leonard? He needs to interject here. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:59 PM:

" JACKMAX, I am with you. I could go wither way. I do love the pledge as a daily activity for our kids. I love the tradition. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:59 PM:

" JACKMAX (9:54 PM): My sentiments exactly. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:57 PM:

" sam: You got it. I'd have to surrender my keys though as I'm a lightweight. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:54 PM:

" So be it Sam,I for one am not willing to start a civil war over it.I could live with it either way as long as it is still a tradition for school kids to grow up with and respect. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:50 PM:

" Lodian, I owe you a lemon drop? Nah, that would be WY. I hate vodka. However if we are talking tequila, then come on by. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:48 PM:

" JACKMAX, well if American Tradition is your goal, the original pledge might be the best one. Only 50 plus years with Under God and a few hundred plus years without it.

I have to say I am like you. I have only known the Under God version. So if it is changed back to the original my heart and my mouth will still say Under God. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM:

" If you take out god ,is that all or is just a beginning of other changes to be made? "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:42 PM:

" Lodian: Cool ,I'm not so obviously not born in the 50s.But the idea of changing it at this particular time does not appeal to me.What does appeal to me is American tradition. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:39 PM:

" sam: jinx... I think you owe me a lemon drop! ;-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:39 PM:

" sam: Wow, that was weird... que the Twilight Zone music... "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:38 PM:

" sam: "our founding fathers were smart by separating church and state"

Indeed! :-) "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:37 PM:

" Geez, Lodian, we sound like twins ! "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:36 PM:

" JACKMAX, after learning that the original pledge was without Under God and listening to the debate, I think I like the original version. It was something Leonard said. He said forcing people who did not believe in God to say a pledge with God in it would force them to lie. I never thought of that, but he is right. I think our founding fathers were smart by separating church and state. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:36 PM:

" sam: Sorry! ;-) Tongue being bitten as I type. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:35 PM:

" JACKMAX: I too grew up saying the pledge as it is now (under God). As I became aware that the pledge didn't always say "under God" I wondered when that addition happened and why. Obviously it was before I was born. If there was a change now I would still say it with "under God" as that is what I believe and feel pride in saying. With that said, I can certainly see the case for reinstating the pledge in it's original from as our founding fathers had written. I would support a return to the pledge as it was originally written, yet I would proudly say "under God". "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:33 PM:

" Lodian, bite your tongue. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:31 PM:

" WY, it was the 8:57 post that gave you a grin... I loved the nacho story. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:30 PM:

" JACKMAX, never say "stupid". Maybe "uninformed." Like me. Blog on. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:29 PM:

"
Nice to see you all on this board. Please don't leave me alone with that RF character. :-) "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:28 PM:

" WY, why? I grew up saying the Under God pledge at a Catholic school. I knew nothing else. I love girard74, Leonard, Cogito, danielh, scout, Brian, Ernie, nylodian, etc. for all their "Facts". They blog something and I go look it up if I have doubts. They are a wealth of knowledge. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:28 PM:

" The 9:10 one was more business like .

see... yammering. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:26 PM:

" Lodian:Do you feel that the only way the pledge should be said is under god? "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:26 PM:

" NO that was the 8:57 one that made me laugh. Oh what ever .. the movie one. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:24 PM:

" Sometimes it's fun to yammer on.
"

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:23 PM:

" Sam... that 9:10 post made me laugh for some reason. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:22 PM:

" Well thank you Sam,I only know the way I learned it.I wasn't even born in the 50's.I have to tell you half of this blog is not worth reading so you will have to forgive me for being so stupid. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:22 PM:

" JACKMAX: Ya, what sam said. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:21 PM:

" Is there anyone here that said the pledge (ie; in school etc) back before "under God" was added? "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:10 PM:

" JACKMAX, the original pledge did not say "under God". I learned (on these blogs) that "Under God" was added in the 1950's. I grew up with God in my pledge. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:00 PM:

" Lodian : Has it changed from when I was a kid a long time ago? I haven't had to saty it in awhile. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:00 PM:

" BrokenL: You are so right about the cyber-bullying (cyberstalking). It is very interesting to read the FBI site on the topic. Sorry, I don't have the link handy. These cyberstalkers usually have some severe insecurities and the web offers them an opportunity to be whatever they can imagine themselves to be....ie; The big bad bully. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:57 PM:

" WY, just finished watching the move "In the Valley Of Elah. It was about guys coming back from Iraq. Good movie, and so sad. Give your brother a huge hug from me.

Love your nacho story. And of course, SAVE THE BEER. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:52 PM:

" JACKMAX, oh no, thank you. :-} "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:51 PM:

" WY, when you are feeling good, call me. Offer holds now and forever.

Love the Lemon drops. I am more of a tequila person. A proud American with a tequila shooter. Tequila, salad and mud pie... the perfect meal.

Speaking of proud Americans, what is with Billary's whine on tv? She is making me really not like her. She is losing her cool. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:50 PM:

" Moral support is what i meant
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:50 PM:

" OTH (7:08 PM): HEAR, HEAR!

"

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:50 PM:

" I kinda sorda slowed down on sending boxes to iraq. I don't have any money anymore. It makes me feel bad. I sent so much and had to stop for what ever. anyway. I hope our local guys are safe and getting the love from home they need for moral. God Bless our TROOPS! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:47 PM:

" Jackmax: "...a national treasure should not be changed for a select few."

That is exactly right. Does this mean you'd like to see the pledge back to it's original form? "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:46 PM:

" Jackmax... I never had someone tell me Thank You for flying our flag. That was really nice and I'll tell my brother Jackmax said, Thanks! **== "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Oh man... I'm rolling with this nice typing. The nails are going down tomorrow! "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:41 PM:

" WY:For flying the flag and for your brother in Iraq. Sam , thanks. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:24 PM:

" Hi Sam... I'm kinda hack'n still, so I didn't call. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:23 PM:

" 'Good for me' about my nachos or the flag, lol! or all of it.

D: All of the above. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:22 PM:

" JACKMAX and WY, good blogs. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:21 PM:

" Ah... Thirty bucks a beer...? That's all about slam'n a six pack in the packing lot "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:58 PM:

" WY: Good for you, tell your brother thanks. "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:55 PM:

" No wait it was 30 for 6. Lucky he's a rich dude cause I would never pay it. "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:47 PM:

" Last one, promise ;} "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:46 PM:

" Try going to a stockton arena game.We go to my buddies suite once in a while.they charge like 30 bucks for a 12er "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:44 PM:

" BrokenL are you slup'n a beer??? :) "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:44 PM:

" especially those FIVE MILLION DOLLAR ONES from sproting events! "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:41 PM:

" speaking of which......aaaaahhhhh "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:40 PM:

" Moral of the story......NEVER spill the beer :} "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:35 PM:

" Why would we put them in a fold up chair. DUH...! "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:34 PM:

" BrokenL... thanks for that info. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:29 PM:

" I hat it when that CaP thingy happens "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:28 PM:

" I think those nachos ran about 22.00 ouch! "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:27 PM:

" The Nachos have to sit some where, right... so Blondes that we are , we put the MILLION DOLLAR NACHOS in the ... Fold up seat!, so we could put our hands over our heart! bahahahah! So the nachos folded up in my seat. Better the nachos than the beer... right? Being the beer was FIVE MILLION DOLLARS and we could only afford one mondo size brew. (I don't care who ya are that's funny!) we just look at each other and laughed. Not the sharpest tools in the shed... "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:24 PM:

" Cyber bullies have a history of more delinquent behaviours and drug use than non-bullies. Those who bully on the Internet also tend to have poorer relationships with and less monitoring by their parents.
tHESE WERE TAKEN FROM CHILDRENS RESEACH BUT i THINK THEY APPLY....damn caps lock "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:19 PM:

" I love hockey! i use to go over to san jose and watch the Sharks go it at. whoo hoo! well my friend and I got a big VAT of NACHOS A mondo size beer total bill ONE MILLION DOLLARS! lol So we get all in our spot, the rink air is cold and the music is blasing some scrpion song...lol and are nibbling on the nachos and chase'n with yummy cold beer. Well, the skaters get on the ice and the Athem begins well we got A beer i8n one hand and a huge nacho in the other... "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:18 PM:

" please wy, i need a funny NOW "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:14 PM:

" You guys wanna hear a funny story....?
oh k oh k.... "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:14 PM:

" jackmax and brokenl... good post. i just took my flag down for the bad weather. i flew a flag every single day my brother was in Iraq. It got tattered. I folded it and put it in a safe place. I can't get rid of it. "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:10 PM:

" Another key factor as to why cyber bullying can be so severe: cyber bullies can take advantage of the anonymity that the online interaction often offers. This makes them more confident and less concerned with the consequences
http://blog.fastcompany.com/archives/2007/07/03/cyber_bullying_its_not_about_sticks_and_stones.html

"

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:09 PM:

" Can I come down in the middle? I can see everyones point. Rob you make good points and so do JackMax and Brolenl. I guess I have to wuss on this one but I thank you all for restoring a semblance of sanity to this blog. "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:36 PM:

" jackmax,well said "

BrokenL wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:35 PM:

" Wow, go to work for the day and miss the fireworks.I won't be tested by anyone RF.Your tests of people in here go directly to the article above.Someone who thinks their god should trump all others.This country was built on emigrants backs.Not all of them prayed to your god.I love my country, and all the diverse people in it.I love working with believers of all faiths and those that choose not to believe.If you don't want to say the words, you should still stand and place your hand over your HEART as we are all lucky to be AMERICAN. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:19 PM:

" I dont see why people in thier minds cannot place thier GOD in place while saying the pledge.And for people that don't belive have a void there.America is made up of all types of people, a national treasure should not be changed for a select few. "

JACKMAX wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:10 PM:

" The forefathers wrote the pledge for it to have meaning to the great people of this nation.I think that whether or not GOD is part of your life you say the pledge the way it was written.If you don't want to say under GOD then DON"T SAY IT. I don't always agree with what happens in my country but I would never challange the writtings of my forefathers.I fly the American flag on all holidays and not just the big ones,because I feel that nobody else will.I think that any person that challenges the pledge is a complete A--. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:29 PM:

" Robb: Exactly! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 5:28 PM:

" real_facts: When RF finds out that I am not YOU, he will not even mention it....and he'll still post on the boards. I haven't a clue as to how he might find that out though as it would be unethical for the LNS to just give out my personal information like that, but who knows.

Anyway, what's your take on this pledge issue? "

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:48 PM:

" Robb it may have little to do with it. It may be more of a time honored tradition. People have become comfortable with the pledge the way it is and don't want to change. "

Robb wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:39 PM:

" AGAIN... what does love for my county have to do with "god"?? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 4:17 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:35 PM:
" real_facts: i am a man of my word, and i will do what i said i would do."

Good, then honor your word and quit blogging. I am not Lodian. "

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:05 PM:

" well real facts it was nice while it lasted but your last post to me was gibberish. I haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about. Who's going to hang Dan and I out together.? "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:33 PM:

" About 20 years ago I flew into JFK. In the taxi on the way into Manhattan the driver, of very indeterminate nationality, asked me where I had flown in from. I told him. He then regarded me in his mirror and asked 'Hey meester, you american?' I told him I was. He then gave me a massive yellow grin, poked himself in the chest and declared 'ME TOO!'. And that's all you need. You don't need to pray, recite, kill or believe. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:23 PM:

" People need to see beyond their own needs and religious beliefs. There are more than just Christians that are Americans. Practice the freedoms you hold so dear and allow others to have their own beliefs as well...they are Americans too! "

Patricia wrote on Feb 25, 2008 2:11 PM:

" Wading through all the personal dialogue and junk that has nothing to do with Mr. Welsbacher's comments, to say:

Amen Mr. Welsbacher--well said.
"

real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:35 PM:

" real_facts: i am a man of my word, and i will do what i said i would do.

but i made that promise because i know i won't have to, to demonstrate how much i know who you are.

right now, i am building the evidence.

unluckily for you "

real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:32 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:22 AM:
Real Facts... I see you. I don't feel harsh towards you. I don't get your way. I don't know what you said to piss everyone off way back. You have been respectful to me. I've been WY").

"my way" is defending the truths of God above everything else. THATS what got me in "trouble" in here. these people in here are used to bullying Christians and making them shut up when speaking out about Gods authority over thier life. then they met me. i respect you WY, because your the ONLY one_that-has-demonstrated-that-you-are-worthy-of-that-kind-of-respect
"

real facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:27 PM:

" OTH: i like living in america, that way when i encounter someone like yourself, i can put you in your place for being a hypocrite because of freedom of speech. i will think about you when i am singing the national anthem at the hockey game tonight.

you miss "dan" (billy rubin) huh?
at your current rate, you and "dan" will have ALOT of time to hang together.
chew on that "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:03 PM:

" ElBombero, great post. "

ElBombero wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:57 AM:

" About 20 years ago I flew into JFK. In the taxi on the way into Manhattan the driver, of very indeterminate nationality, asked me where I had flown in from. I told him. He then regarded me in his mirror and asked 'Hey meester, you american?' I told him I was. He then gave me a massive yellow grin, poked himself in the chest and declared 'ME TOO!'. And that's all you need. You don't need to pray, recite, kill or believe. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:13 AM:

" real_facts: Are you a student? How do you feel about the pledge? "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:13 AM:

" real_facts: You and I both know that we are 2 different people, but RF will never concede, no matter what he learns. So, no need to even address him about it. "

sam wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:06 AM:

" me too OTH. "

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Lodian I agree with you completely. Someone may have covered this but what about other cultures that may not believe in God as we do. They have their version of God and so worship him. Or HER LOL. I have only seen Dan on the blogs once since they did away with the boards and that was 1 or 2 posts. He preferred the boards and rightly so. I do miss him. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:28 AM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:03 PM:
i will not only apologize, i will never post again at LNS, and that under my current screename, or any other, ever again. "

Then honor your word and stop blogging. I am not Lodian. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Does anyone ever think that if we allow ourselves to force our religious beliefs on others that this opens the door for people to take away our personal religious beliefs? What if the shoe was on the other foot? "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:10 AM:

" One can be an American (a dedicated, hard working, honest, sincere, fight to the death for our country American) and not believe in God! One can believe in God and be an American, of course. Let everyone be the American they pledge to be without having to pledge to a God they do not. THAT is American freedom. THAT is why so many have given their lives. THAT is what our founding fathers strived to achieve. THAT is what this country is all about. It's called freedom. And I personally say, Thank God for our freedom! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:03 AM:

" OTH: Well said. I agree. Where's Dan? "

OTH wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:00 AM:

" I believe people should say the pledge however they are comfortable. As we have seen on this blog and a couple of others some people cannot separate God from extemism when it comes to allowing people their personal beliefs. Someone said it best "religion causes insanity." We have seen that in the past and do not care to see it in the future. Miss you Dan "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:53 AM:

" weezer: Thanks for getting this back on topic.

Don't you see that this is exactly the reason why we SHOULD go back to the original, without the "under God" part of the pledge. This board is an example of the insanity that comes with emtremists that want to push their way onto everyone else. That is not what this country is all about. It is about having the freedom to choose. Personally, I'd still say "under God" as that is what I choose to do, and believe. But, why must we cling to a rewritten pledge that was not written by our fouding fathers? "

weezer wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Wow! The letter was about patriotism and faith. But, the blogs have deteriorated into 5th grade stuff.

The more that I'm convinced that we should emphasize the "pledge" and "under God." "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Who's? "

Lodian wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:52 AM:

" Wow! A bunch of posts were deleted. "

WY wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:22 AM:

" Real Facts... I see you. I don't feel harsh towards you. I don't get your way. I don't know what you said to piss everyone off way back. You have been respectful to me. I've been WY.



"

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:38 PM:

" blogger block test "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:37 PM:

" blogger block test "

OTH wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:30 PM:

" Real Facts BITE ME "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:26 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:48 PM:
realfacts... you said you'd rather hang out with broken people than the fatheads. But you run broken people off. Your way is brazen and harsh").

the truth is harsh sometimes, thats not my fault. Jesus wasn't worried about the fallout of telling the truth, when the opportunity presented itself. in here, i am defending against those that would strip God of his authority. am i harsh about that? yes.

"broken people" with a heart toward God will recognize thru me, that they need to take the authority of God serious in-thier-life.....i-am-NOT-worried-about-that....i-just-need-to-be-obedient-to-what-i-am-called-to-do "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:20 PM:

" OTH: take a hike.

when you address others in here for not staying "on topic", then come and see me.

i went somewhere this afternoon, and when i got back, everyone was talking about me, and other things but NOT about the topic.

your a hypocrite "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:15 PM:

" lodian: i gave you the chance to "ignore me" two blogs ago by asking you to step back over the line you crossed. you refused.

so now you can't "ignore me".

now i am your "friend" who demonstrates the real you, for all the LNS crowd to see.

take heart though. they are a ton of people that approve of you lying.

speaking of, where is brokenl? i asked him about lying, and he mysteriously disappeared "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:11 PM:

" ("real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:27 PM:
" watch this people. lodian on one computer, her husband on the other. i am good at this huh").

i told you. i baited her into it, and she fell for it. right after my post above, she fired off several posts to appear to be simultaneous at 10:28pm. . she did it on purpose right afterward to "sell it".

she either did it on two computers with her husband, or opened up two pages.

try and find anywhere else at LNS where this-ever-happened-before....you-can't.....game-over-lodian "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:10 PM:

" This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:03 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:28 PM:
And when real facts learns that I am not posting with your name (real_facts) he will absolutely NOT make any apologies").

i will not only apologize, i will never post again at LNS, and that under my current screename, or any other, ever again. thats how much i know your lying

when i sin, i repent and seek forgiveness from the one i sinned against, unlike you lodian. you lied about me and got caught, and you never even admitted it, let alone apologized to me.

it demonstrated your an "ain't" "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:56 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:49 PM:

" Shall we all show up at the LNS in the morning? What time").

all they (LNS) have to do is look at your records. within them it shows that lodian, "lee" and "real_facts" all share the same internet service provider. imagine that

game, set AND match "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:53 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:49 PM:

" Shall we all show up at the LNS in the morning? What time").

which one of your personalities is stronger, and will decide to go?

or will all "three of you" show up?

laughing "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:51 PM:

" LOL.... good night all. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:51 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:46 PM:

" Wow, a grown man with this much time on his hands is not a good thing").

look who is talking. your on waaaay more blogs than i am. you spend more time in here than i do, and you wish you were a man ("lee")....laughing

can't you do anything BUT lie about me?

wait a minute. you just said today you couldn't read my posts.

your lying again "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:50 PM:

" Shall we all show up at the LNS in the morning? What time? "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:48 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:35 PM:
Just be careful with this guy. He will threaten you at some point so please be careful").

your right, i will PROMISE you and anybody else that tries to pull this stuff. you do it, and i become your best friend in here based on the rules, to prove your a phony.

your a liar. i NEVER threatened ANYBODY with anything other than i am going to dedicate myself in here to defending against your lies.

anything above that, is YOUR attempt at lying in order to discredit me because you can't-silence-me-any-other-way "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:47 PM:

" *desperately... well ya know what I mean. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:47 PM:

" 8desperately "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:46 PM:

" Wow, a grown man with this much time on his hands is not a good thing. To care so desperatly about a blog name and dedicate so much time on an anonymous blog about a "blog name" is beyond unstable. Geez, RF should spend time with his wife or something. Go have some quality time, ya know. The poor thing must feel very alone. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:43 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:38 PM:
So you are a homosexual"?).

see what i mean? pure lodian methodology. this is EXACTLY how you have dealt with me in the blogs as lodian. you would purposefully twist my words and lie about what i said, even AFTER i said something straight up to you.

you keep dropping clue's about yourself, like those horse's do behind the carriage rides in old sacramento.

it smells the same as you "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:39 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:33 PM: I will keep trying, but I am so glad that you can no longer be accused of being me").

no longer? pretty funny. my whole reputation is riding on it in here, and i will see this thru until the end.

i will CONTINUE to prove you ARE lodian, by pointing out your "clue's" along the way. then when i add it all up and display it, you will be finished in here for lying about it multiple times.

your game is soon "over"

"

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:38 PM:

" you said something else i "gotcha" on is your methodology."

So you are a homosexual? please remember God loves you. You are not evil. You are loved.

good night. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:35 PM:

" real_facts: Have a good night. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:35 PM:

" real_facts: You are incredibly kind hearted. Just be careful with this guy. He will threaten you at some point so please be careful. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Good night Lodian. You were a godsent. Sleep well. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:33 PM:

" real_facts: Please don't worry about getting through to "real facts" anymore. He insists on bullying people so don't get bullied by this guy. Just pray for him. I don't like seeing you get involved with all of this madness. NO one deserves to be treated the way real facts treats people here. Just block him out. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:33 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:21 PM: " Romans says homosexuality is wrong").

interesting that it took you multiple posts to say that, but i had you in a corner as far as your not being lodian, so you finally had to say it, to deflect. now your lying because as lodian, you don't believe romans says that. gotcha

something else i "gotcha" on is your methodology in your last post. it's the same as lodian. even after i said i wasn't gay, you keep inferring that i am.

thats pure lodian garbage methodology.

gotcha "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:33 PM:

" Lodian, I know what you say is true. My Dad said to bury his hate with God's love. I will keep trying, but I am so glad that you can no longer be accused of being me. This is my mission. I do not like anyone using my God's name to preach hate. I love my God. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:31 PM:

" Good night real_facts. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:30 PM:

" real_facts: truthfully, I don't care what real facts (RF...as I call him) thinks. He is a sick person that needs the Lord. I just have to pray for him. Peace be with you "under_score". Take care. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:30 PM:

" real facts, I meant GOOD night... but a GOD NIGHT might be better.
Thanks Lodian.

I am not Lodian. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:29 PM:

" Oh, okay... here ya go "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:28 PM:

" real facts, you are not well. God night. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:28 PM:

" real_facts: I am sorry you are now on the receiving end of the "real facts" hate fest. Thanks for hanging in there and stating that you are not posting as Lodian (me), but it will not satify real facts. It really doesn't matter what anyone says to him. He chomps down on a trivial tid-bit (truth or lie...doesn't matter) and clamps down hard like a pit-bull. Nothing we can do. And when real facts learns that I am not posting with your name (real_facts) he will absolutely NOT make any apologies. That is unfortunate, but expected of him. We'll just have to pray for him. Thanks again. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:28 PM:

" not me "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:27 PM:

" watch this people.

lodian on one computer, her husband on the other.

i am good at this huh? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:27 PM:

" not lodian "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:26 PM:

" I am not lodian "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:26 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:18 PM:
" Wow! What's been going on in here").

here comes the curveball. (feigning innocence)

i thought your "daddy" asked you to go to bed. your not disobeying your parents, are you?

you know what would be cool, if you and real_facts could post at the same time stamp.....that would prove you are two different people "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:22 PM:

" Oh Lodian.. do me a favor. For the next 3 minutes blog anything. If we blog at the same time, this guy will know we are not the same. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:22 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:12 PM: No man can judge you. ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART").

thats an unbiblical lie, designed to try and shut up people like me.

in actuality, the bible calls us to judge one another for purposes of accountability toward sin, and to tell the sheep from the goats (your a "goat").

judging REVEALS whats in the heart of man, when sin expells itself out of a heart that is disobedient before God.

matthew 15:19 explains that a mans heart expells sin, and judging indentifies it.

your "pretending" you know what your talking about "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Romans says homosexuality is wrong. But God still loves you. Only God knows what is in your heart. No man can know that. I cannot read a verse and then condemn you. I am a child of God. Only God can judge.
But do not worry. God still loves you. even if you are homosexual. You are a child of God. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Wow! What's been going on in here? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:16 PM:

" I have posted this quote to you more than 5 times on these blogs. I love this quote. You are so worried about man challenging the authority of God. That is impossible. It is a beautiful quote.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.
"
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:15 PM:

" i thought you were a Christian? christians aren't afraid of Gods word.

why won't you answer the question about romans chap 1? does it say homosexual sex is a no no? "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:12 PM:

" real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:08 PM: " are you gay"?).

by gay you mean "happy"?

if you only knew me. what grants me the most happiness, living before God conscience free because i honor the truth above everything/everybody else. happiness IS that byproduct. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:12 PM:

" No man can judge you. ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART. You are still a child of God. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:11 PM:

" Is that why you do not like lodian? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:10 PM:

" I do not understand
You and Lodian are gay?

"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:09 PM:

" "real_facts":

"diminish". interesting choice of words. you should have gone to bed when your faux "daddy" was telling you to.....because THAT WORD (diminish) was used by you lodian in the EXACT same framework of idea sentence structure in at least two other blogs.

nope, your not lodian.

BUSTED "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:09 PM:

" Man cannot judge you. Only God can. You are still loved. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:08 PM:

" are you gay? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Wait, I am still here. I asked you what you do not understand about romans. You never answered.

"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:05 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:00 PM: " My Dad says it is late").

sure he did. just like lodian is a "he". other people buy your innocent deflection act. me, i bet my whole life against it.

what happened to answering the question about romans 1 lodian? because you skated away from it, it proves you ARE lodian because SHE did that too.

go manufacture some more "friends" for tomorrows go-around. your going to need "them" "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:03 PM:

" one more thing...

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:01 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:07 PM:
Did He put them in front of you to call them evil and liars. Now who gives a rip if they are liars and what not").

absolutely 100% yes. you defend against sin, and those who perpetuate it.

normally, i could care less. it's thier eternity to lose. what i DO care about is Gods authority, and me not standing by watching people redefine God and his standards. lodian has attempted this for months, and it sends a message to others they can too. my fight is against that, so she-can't-send-that-message....my-plight-is-100%-biblical-in-protecting-Gods-word/honor "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:00 PM:

" My Dad says it is late. Good night to you and sleep well. Please know that God loves you. He loves me. He loves us all. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:59 PM:

" "i am ALWAYS right when i "smell" something. "

I am sorry to say, but your "smeller" seems to be broken. But you are still loved. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:57 PM:

" "YOU lied right in this post, because YOU KNOW lodian is a "she".

Is lodian a SHE? are you a SHE?

What does that matter. God loves you whether you are a he or a she. You are a child of God. You are loved. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:54 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:49 PM:"we will find out tomorrow when i notify them and they cross check your internet service provider. "

Promise all that you will reveal what you find out. I am not lodian. I still forgive you. God still loves you. You are a child of God. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:54 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:48 PM: If you hate and condemn lying, why do you lie? I am not lodian. i have no idea who he is").

i don't. i tell the truth and take it to whatever it's conclusion is, whether people think i am out there or not. i am ALWAYS right when i "smell" something.

besides, lodian YOU lied right in this post, because YOU KNOW lodian is a "she".

you have been conversing with the other girls, and you know they have referenced lodian as a "she". it was your lying attempt at.....deflection. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:51 PM:

" "i hate sin, and lying is sin"

me too. But I am not the one lying. You keep saying I am someone who I am not. You should stop lying. You know it is not good.

But I forgive you. You seem to be confused. Look to God. God is love. God loves you. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:49 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:42 PM: LNS knows I am not Lodian").

really? we will find out tomorrow when i notify them and they cross check your internet service provider.

what are the odds lodian, "lee" and "real_facts" share the same internet service provider?

i say dead on 100% "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:48 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:41 PM:
"do you approve of someone lying"

If you hate and condemn lying, why do you lie? I am not lodian. i have no idea who he is. But i do forgive you for lying about me. Look to God. God is love. If you love you will find God.




"

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:42 PM:

" LNS knows I am not Lodian.

Smile because God loves you. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:41 PM:

" ("brokenl wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:12 PM:
Sad and pathetic. Anyone who spews hates like that is not a true believer").

ok brokenl, we will do an integrity check on you.

do you approve of someone lying, even if they come from a deceptive angle of "love" and "peace"?

i hate sin (lying). do you hate sin? if you do, then you should be willing to high five me if i am right about lodian.

the resaon that i am coming after her so hard, is because she has claimed to be a Christian, but she lies incessantly.....and-thats-the-antithesis-of-Christ

if thats true, do YOU-support-that? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:41 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:35 PM:
" lodian: you can "smile" for now, because you know i can't do it, and you can temporarily get away with it."

You do not have to do anything, but love. God is love. I am not lodian. I am not smiling because you are lost. i love you and tell you to just love. God is love. We love because he first loved us. He is so great. Just love. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:38 PM:

" You are a sad man. I am not Lodian. I forgive you. AND I love you. You are a child of God.

We love because He first loved us. Those who say, "I love God," and hate their brothers or sisters, are liars "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:36 PM:

" And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:35 PM:

" It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:35 PM:

" lodian: you can "smile" for now, because you know i can't do it, and you can temporarily get away with it.

but i am smart enough at this game to bring it to the attention of the LNS who CAN tell that you ARE doing it.

smart guy i am, unfortunately for you.

they know you are the same three people.

how many more personalities are there, in your multiple personality DIS-order?

i will take them all on :) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:35 PM:

" it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:34 PM:

" love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Love is patient; love is kind "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:33 PM:

" I am praying for you.

God is love and somehow you are not finding Him. Just try Him.

God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. (NLT, 1 John 4:16
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:31 PM:

" "real_facts"; the gig is up on you now. lodian didn't know what she was talking about either when pressed biblically.

your out in left field beyond the grandstands about the judging issue.

if judging is "un-biblical", and only God judges man's sin, then try and tell the reading audience why the bible even bothers notating what IS sin, and what are "we" to do about it....within the body of Christ. the epistles account chides believer-to-believer over sin. if there is no "judging", there would be no "criminals".....the-apostle-paul-was-known-for-judging-others(good&bad)....and-he-was-hand-picked-by-Christ-for-that-reason

once again lodian, you have no idea what your talking about.

lodian-did/said-the-EXACT-same-things-you-did "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:28 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:22 PM:what do you want to bet your interenet service provider is the same as "lodian" AND "lee"? i suppose thats a coincedence?

I am smiling. I am not Lodian. Check out my internet provider and address. Promise me that you will tell all what you find when you do check it out. That I am not Lodian. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:23 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:19 PM:
" brokenl; sit tight, i will prove over time that lodian IS "real_facts"....and-sis-lying-about-it ..what your witnessing is ugly."

It is ugly, but you are the liar. I am not Lodian. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:22 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:17 PM: I am not Lodian. I forgive you").

what do you want to bet your interenet service provider is the same as "lodian" AND "lee"?

i suppose thats a coincedence? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:20 PM:

" your gig is up. condemning sin (lying) is what true Christians are-supposed-to-do

OK. According to you, I am suppose to proclaim that you are a sinner and a liar. That is not my job. Only God has the right to judge.

I forgive you. I am not Lodian. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:19 PM:

" brokenl; sit tight, i will prove over time that lodian IS "real_facts"....and-sis-lying-about-it

what your witnessing is ugly, but necessary. your just getting sucked into it because lodian "appears" peaceful with her little trip down hallmark lane.

what you may not understand, is that lodian has been lying about several things for months, and now your witnessing me taking out her trash.

i am not moved by emotion. i pick truth in life, and right now the truth is that lodian is going down for her lying ways.

i will tell the truth. what you people think of it afterward is out-of-my-control-or-concern "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:17 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:13 PM:
baloney. thats your smokescreen lodian, "pretending" the love angle to throw people off.

I am not Lodian. I forgive you.

"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another."
~1 John 3:11~
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 9:13 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:15 PM: Just know that he who speaks with love is telling the truth. He who tries to condemn in the name of God is not a speaking for God").

baloney. thats your smokescreen lodian, "pretending" the love angle to throw people off.

most people will buy into this because of the "innocent" factor. i see right thru it enough to stay right on track.

your trying to pull the same thing as the guy that shaves and wears a suit before trial, acting all "humane".

your gig is up.

condemning sin (lying) is what true Christians are-supposed-to-do "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:20 PM:

" Thanks WY. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:20 PM:

" I not mad "

brokenl wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:19 PM:

" This guys rant is like horse manure. An unfortunate by-product of something that is otherwise fun and loving. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:18 PM:

" UNder-score ... don't say you're sorry to me for spelling or missing a key. I'm the QUEEN of bad typing. My head goes faster than my hunt and peck. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:15 PM:

" WY, don't get mad. Just know that he who speaks with love is telling the truth. He who tries to condemn in the name of God is not a speaking for God. We are children of God, He loves us. Live well and loves lots. "

brokenl wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:12 PM:

" Sad and pathetic. Anyone who spews hates like that is not a true believer.It must be a cult thing.I feel for the people around him. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:12 PM:

" You defet you own purpose. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:10 PM:

" WY, it is ok. The real God is love. Not hate or judgements. God loves us. He made us. Anyone who condemns a child of God has no clue who God is. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:10 PM:

" oH THAT MAKES ME MAD... *NICE CAPS)

Ok here... I said, You should have lowered your tone to welcome them, liars or not, sinners or not. If you believe these folks are what you say, then God came to earth to give them the promise. You already know it! "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:07 PM:

" I just have to say

John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

cuz my God is LOVE. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:07 PM:

" Do you think God brought these people to you to cross pathes with? Did He put them in front of you to call them evil and liars.

Now who gives a rip if they are liars and what not. They've been put before you and you rant at them about the athority., when in your opinion they aren't beleivers. You have taken it upon yourself to slam the door in their face, wrong as they may seem to you. You appear to be taking The promise from them. Who are you to do that? You should have lowered you toneandwelcomedthemLiarsornot!GodcametoearthtohelpJUSTTHISTYPE "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 8:00 PM:

" So far you call everyone a liar and a non Christian. You can't tell schit by what some one types on a computer. More reason for you to find a different way to reach people that might not understand what it is your trying to say. If you thin everyone is bad/dirty/liars/evil/liars/evil/liars then more reaon for you to get them drawn in closer to the Lord. If these people you have a riff with are who you say they are then you should DWJWD. These are the people you seek to do Gods will. You're a loud hunter. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:55 PM:

" OTH, you are right.

"Give others time to warm up to yu then speak soft. Get to know them."

That is God's way. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:51 PM:

" Sorry, I meant GOD IS LOVE. I am tired. Sorry for the typing. "

OTH wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:49 PM:

" I asked you real facts to try one posting on topic because you have attcked every one in this room repeatedly with your insane ramblings about people being lairs, and being somebody else everything else. Nobody could have a discussion on topic because you won't let them. You turn these rooms into your own little zoo. With all due respect your nuttier than a pet coon. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:49 PM:

" WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:42 PM:
" can failure and sin be one in the same "

To fail means your tried and it did not happen. To sin means you broke a law of God. A sin can be failure, but a failure is not necessarily a sin.

WY. fail or sin, God loves us. Do not forget that He made us. He knows our weaknesses. He is our Dad. He loves us no matter what.mGod ia LOVE. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:48 PM:

" realfacts... you said you'd rather hang out with broken people than the fatheads.

But you run broken people off. Your way is brazen and harsh. I believe you should stand down and listen. What are you in fear of? You won't even stand next to nonbeleivers. Give others time to warm up to yu then speak soft. Get to know them. I'm baffled by you. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:42 PM:

" can failure and sin be one in the same "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:39 PM:

" 12:24 post... no, I don't "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:37 PM:

" you say:" i would bet my salvation as a beliver in Jesus Christ that you ARE lodian. "

I am a young Christian. I love my God. I may not be as "slick" as you because I am young. But do not "bet" your salvation on a false statement. I am sorry you do like this guy Lodian. But I am not him. I will pray for you. I am so sorry you have so much hate in your words. Remember GOD IS LOVE. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:30 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:06 PM:
"yea, your "god" the father of all lies."

That is so wrong for you to attack my God. But I will tell you MY God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. (NLT, 1 John 4:16)

I will pray for you and I forgive you. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:25 PM:

" "really? i would bet my salvation as a beliver in Jesus Christ that you ARE lodian."

WOW, please do not bet your salvation on your lie. I do forgive you. I am not Lodian. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:18 PM:

" Psalm 62:4
They fully intend to topple him from his lofty place; they take delight in lies. With their mouths they bless, but in their hearts they curse. "

I do not take delight in your lies.But I forgive you. I am not Lodian. Please stop lying about me. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:07 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:03 PM:

" " real_facts: is lying a sin, yes or no?

Yes it is. But I forgive you. You should stop lying and calling me Lodian. I am not Lodian").

is lying EVER approved of? is there EVER anytime where it is permissable? "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:06 PM:

" real_facts: Nope, my God says I should not judge my fellow man.
That is His job. I am suppose to love my neighbor.

"Stop judging, and you will not be judged").

yea, your "god" the father of all lies.

i WELCOME being judged by anyone who judges via Gods standards. i welcome that

the bible is explicit in judging sin ON purpose, so that sin is indentified, and that sin doesn't usurp Gods authority. the believer is commanded TO judge each others sin.

your lying about judging, just like lodian did.

answer the question about romans...you show you ARE lodian by refusing "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:03 PM:

" " real_facts: is lying a sin, yes or no?

Yes it is. But I forgive you. You should stop lying and calling me Lodian. I am not Lodian. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:01 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:53 PM:" 6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors

Well reread that quote before you lie about me again.
I am not Lodian. I guess that makes you guilty about lying about me and Lodian. But I forgive. you. I am not Lodian")>

really? i would bet my salvation as a beliver in Jesus Christ that you ARE lodian. i would bet everything i am and own. i can spot people like you a million miles away. it took me a handful of posts to recognize your-style-substance,...and-tell-it-was-you-thru-your-feigned-"smokescreen" "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:00 PM:

" You say "i am "obsessed" with truth."

Then quit lying. I am not Lodian. I am sorry you do like him. But I am not him.

Dare to love and to be a real friend. The love you give and receive is a reality that will lead you closer and closer to God as well as those whom God has given you to love.


"

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:57 PM:

" God expects believers to judge sin. thats a biblical FACT.

Nope, my God says I should not judge my fellow man.
That is His job. I am suppose to love my neighbor.

"Stop judging, and you will not be judged."
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:57 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:51 PM:" (2) what does romans chap 1 say about homosexual sex?
I do not get why you are obsessed with this? Are you gay? You are loved. God loves all His children. You are a child of God. Always remember that").

oh you get it alright lodian, and your tring to back out of it, just like in the last blogs.

it's a test. a test to see whether or not your a true believer (i already know that answer).

i am "obsessed" with truth. the truth of Gods word. you detour from it.....now-answer-the-question....does-it-say-homosexual-sex-is-a-"no-no"? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:53 PM:

" 6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors

Well reread that quote before you lie about me again.
I am not Lodian. I guess that makes you guilty about lying about me and Lodian. But I forgive. you. I am not Lodian. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:52 PM:

" real_facts:

is lying a sin, yes or no?

no one can EVER lie for any reason. there is NEVER any time for when it is justified to do so. do you agree with that? yes or no?

any real Christian would answer those questions straight away, without deflection "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:51 PM:

" (2) what does romans chap 1 say about homosexual sex?

I do not get why you are obsessed with this? Are you gay? You are loved. God loves all His children. You are a child of God. Always remember that. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:49 PM:

" (1) how do YOU feel about lying? is purposefull / continual lying a sin, and should immediately be confessed and repented from?

I think lying is wrong. But I forgive you. I am not Lodian and I am not lying. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:48 PM:

" Proverbs 12:17
17 A truthful witness gives honest testimony,
but a false witness tells lies.

Another amazing quote. But again, I am not Lodian. You, sir or mame, are bearing false witness against Lodian. But yet again, I forgive you. Why do you hate me? You do not know me.

Remember. God is love. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:48 PM:

" romans chap (1); 24 - 28.

read it and tell me what it says about homosexual sex "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:46 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:35 PM:" I do not understand what you do not understand about romans chapter 1.
Are you gay? Or is Lodian? I don't get it? If you are, you are saved. God is love. If Lodian is, he is saved too. It is not my place to judge.

Only God can judge").

God expects believers to judge sin. thats a biblical FACT.

cut the goofy curveball act. you know you are a "she" (except when you "pretend" to be "lee").

you understand perfectly lodian, your response above is the same as lodians was....does romans 1 say anthing-about-homosexual-sex-being-a-"no-no"? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:45 PM:

" Psalm 34:12-14
12 Whoever of you loves life
and desires to see many good days,
13 keep your tongue from evil
and your lips from speaking lies.
14 Turn from evil and do good;
seek peace and pursue it. "

Excellent quote. I am not Lodian and I forgive you. Why do you lie? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:43 PM:

" You said: 6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors .

I know. SO stop lying. I am not Lodian. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:41 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:13 PM:
" real_facts: where is your explanation of romans chapter 1? you keep skating away from it."

I am not "skating" away. I don't get what you do not get. If you are gay, don't worry. It is not my place to judge you. Only God can do that. You are still saved.

God is love. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:40 PM:

" "real_facts"...

two questions.
(1) how do YOU feel about lying? is purposefull / continual lying a sin, and should immediately be confessed and repented from?

(2) what does romans chap 1 say about homosexual sex?

reading audience....what do you want to bet "real_facts" doesn't answer either question? what real Christian would run away from those two question?
the answer.....a REAL ONE ....wouldn't "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:38 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:07 PM: "good thing that doesn't apply to me, as i have stated MANY times that "WE" are all sinners....including me. God loves us all, but NEVER approves of any sin, and calls everyone of us to repent from it.
yet, you continue to lie

I am trying to be patient here. I am not Lodian. I do not lie. I will pray for you. I forgive you. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:35 PM:

" I do not understand what you do not understand about romans chapter 1.
Are you gay? Or is Lodian? I don't get it?
If you are, you are saved. God is love. If Lodian is, he is saved too. It is not my place to judge.

Only God can judge. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:35 PM:

" lodian aka "real_facts"; your "future" doesn't look to bright.
**************************************
Proverbs 19:5
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:33 PM:

" man, another "picture" of who you are. what i should do, is LIST the purposeful lies you told about me in here.
***************************************
Proverbs 12:17
17 A truthful witness gives honest testimony,
but a false witness tells lies.
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:32 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:07 PM
"yet, you continue to lie "

I do not like calling you liar, that is rude. But I am NOT Lodian.

I still forgive you. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:29 PM:

" man i like this one. it's juicy. it PERFECTLY describes YOU lodian, in your intent to discredit me, and lies about who you REALLY are, by your new "peaceful" phony persona. it's a perfect scripture that should have your picture next to it...
****************************************
Psalm 62:4
They fully intend to topple him from his lofty place; they take delight in lies. With their mouths they bless, but in their hearts they curse. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:24 PM:

" true believers will not continue to lie without conscience. you do tho
****************************************
Psalm 34:12-14
12 Whoever of you loves life
and desires to see many good days,

13 keep your tongue from evil
and your lips from speaking lies.

14 Turn from evil and do good;
seek peace and pursue it.
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:20 PM:

" two can play this game lodian. now it will make you even more guilty before God once you read these...
***************************************
Psalm 5:5-7
5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.

6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:13 PM:

" real_facts:
where is your explanation of romans chapter 1? you keep skating away from it.

you quote bible verses all day long. don't tell me your bible doesn't "have" romans chapter 1?

i did this to prove you ARE lodian, because she refused to do it too.

anybody can copy and paste scriptures and hallmark card sayings out of purpose driven life. it takes a real believer to accuretly stand for all of what God says.

lodian, your phoniness is easily displayed, and your internet service provider is the same as lodian's.

busted "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:07 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:40 PM:" Only a very immature believer would claim that God doesn't love ALL sinners. In case you may have forgotten, we're ALL sinners").

good thing that doesn't apply to me, as i have stated MANY times that "WE" are all sinners....including me. God loves us all, but NEVER approves of any sin, and calls everyone of us to repent from it.

yet, you continue to lie

"sinners" that repent, are real believers. sinners that DON'T repent, are liars, and the truth is not in them. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 6:02 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:16 PM:
" I'm trying to figure out how to bring more with me as God calls my name. More that are like me. Skinned up people. I don't have the knowledge you do, but a spiritual failure, I am not").

thats easy. you DON'T just live for yourself, but you allow God to bring people your way, so that God can bring healing to others thru your life and experiences....."amounts-of-knowledge"-doesn't-matter....it's-all-about-availability.

i tell you, i would much rather hang around the "broken" people of this life, than "fat-headed" self righteous people that "think" they are better-than-others....you-have-the-perfect-mindset/heart-for-that....just-be-open-to-it "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:56 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:14 PM:
" realfcts... I don't think i'm a spiritual failure").

i don't think you are anywhere near a "spiritual failure". thats NOT what i said/implied.

i used those words because you seem to always down yourself about your position before God. you use negative words when describing how YOU "think" God feels about you...(like you "barely" making it to heaven). your "ticket" to heaven has already been "punched" by Christ. you CANNOT earn your way there, as the price for it was already paid. i was merely encouraging you to quit thinking in-negative-terms-about-your-position-before-God "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:50 PM:

" lodian: i am still noting publically, that you have NEVER apologized to me for purposefully lying about me being brian, even after i busted you on it.

true Christians DO NOT lie on purpose, and consistently without conscience, and they repent when they do lie.

true Christians know lying is one of those sins God detests the most.

that proves your an "ain't" "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:46 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:16 PM:
" It is easy to see whom among us is constantly "roaring" and trying to "devour" others.

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1Peter 5:8)".

it IS easy to see now. you have been masquerading for a long time, and i have been providing protection FROM you, to the others. they just don't see it fully YET.

you now post scriptures? you never did that before, "UNTIL" real-facts started. you continuing to lie about, proves your an "ain't"....the-bible-says-that-the-devil-is-the-"father"-of-all-lies....and-you-lie-incessantly "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 5:10 PM:

" WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:14 PM:

"realfcts... I don't think i'm a spiritual failure."

WY: You are absolutely NOT a spiritual failure. Far from it.
"

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:16 PM:

" I'm trying to figure out how to bring more with me as God calls my name. More that are like me. Skinned up people. I don't have the knowledge you do, but a spiritual failure, I am not. "

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 2:14 PM:

" realfcts... I don't think i'm a spiritual failure. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:41 PM:

" Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:40 PM:

" John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:40 PM:

" Only a very immature believer would claim that God doesn't love ALL sinners. In case you may have forgotten, we're ALL sinners... "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:39 PM:

" i am good at painting people into a corner, huh? ""

I am not Lodian. I forgive you.

For any believer to teach that God does not love the wicked is the height of self-righteousness. "There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10)
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 1:16 PM:

" It is easy to see whom among us is constantly "roaring" and trying to "devour" others.

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1Peter 5:8)
"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:58 PM:

" lodian: you must be talking about yourself, lying about who you are, fading in and out of personalities in here.

you lied you couldn't read my posts, but below you commented on them. how could you do that if you can't read them?

only you would equate "evil" with the reading of Gods word.

romans chapter 1 IS Gods word.

YOUR the one thats "evil", and thats exactly why you can't answer that question "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:49 PM:

" It's sad that some people choose to be evil and not good. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:41 PM:

" This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list

"

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:40 PM:

" chokin on that romans 1 question "real_facts"?

all of a sudden, your silent? "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:38 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:13 AM:
Thanks so much for all your positive posts. Also, thanks for stating that I am not posting as "real_facts". It just doesn't matter to "real facts" though as he will persist on these trivial matters").

lying is a SERIOUS matter to God, because it "underscores" that a person is NOT a follower of Jesus Christ, but a PHONY.

you trivialize it, because YOU ARE a phony "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:35 PM:

" "real_facts"/lodian: talk to yourself all you want thru your manufactured "peace" persona. multiple personalities isn't an excuse for lying about it.

keep lying about it as well, that will only play into my hands "later".

now answer the question i gave you about romans. i noticed you tried to skate on it. gee i wonder why?

the reason i asked you that, is lodian refused to answer it ALSO. if your not lodian, YOU will answer it.

because you are lodian, this will be one more "proof" that you are

i am good at painting people into a corner, huh? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:33 PM:

" to real facts Feb 24, 2008 12:30 PM:
Those words were pretty, full of God's love and I agree. "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:30 PM:

" WY: Jesus did for you, what you can never do for yourself. his sacrifice made you righteous before God ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME. you need to rest in that fact, and quit thinking as yourself as some "spiritual failure". we all make mistakes. just relax in Gods grace, and don't be so hung up on your "works" as if THAT makes you right with God.

do the best you can for that day, and rest in that. if there is anything that God is not pleased with in your life, no big deal, just move CLOSER to-him-on-that-issue-when-he-reveals-that-to-you "

real facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 12:24 PM:

" WY: i know for a fact that you are a true follower of Christ. in a short period of time, i can ALWAYS tell who is/isn't. God has given me that insight, and i can tell.

you keep falsely thinking you have to be perfect or "near perfect" in order to follow Christ, and thats not true.

even continual "failures" is NOT a sign a person is an unbeliever....as-we-ALL-fail-at-times...(including-me)

what is a sign of an unbeliever is when a person consistently lies without conscience, and a person seeks to distance themselves from Gods authority over thier life.

you do the opposite of that "

Lodian wrote on Feb 24, 2008 11:13 AM:

" to: real_facts (under_score guy):

Thanks so much for all your positive posts. Also, thanks for stating that I am not posting as "real_facts". It just doesn't matter to "real facts" though as he will persist on these trivial matters. It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it the guy will always call you a liar. No one deserves to be treated like that here. Unfortunately, this guy RF is allowed to post his garbage multiple times and on every board continuing to stay off topic for weeks at a time.

Take care. :-) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:51 AM:

" Instead of allowing yourself to be unhappy, just let your love grow as God wants it to grow. Seek goodness in others. Love more persons more... love them more impersonally, more unselfishly, without thought of return. The return, never fear, will take care of itself. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:48 AM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:06 PM:
" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:55 PM: I am not Lodian. I forgive you").
you know, i never gave it that much thought, but you could "technically" (but not "legally")..be-telling the truth.

I do not even KNOW Lodian. I forgive you. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:47 AM:

" if you REALLY loved God and people, you wouldn't lie as if it's part of your identity.

I do not lie. I am not Lodian. I forgive you.

(Matthew 25: 40) Faith in Jesus, without love to the neighbor is meaningless. "Though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 24, 2008 7:45 AM:

" "this one gets bumped to the top, until you answer it. trust me, i will chase you around with it, until you do... "

Follow me all you want. I am not Lodian. I forgive you.

"There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?" (James 4: 1)
"

WY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 3:37 AM:

" If you think I'm the "real deal" you are mistaken. I'm as dirty as they come. I'm trying to wash it off but it's still there. I didn't mean to get dirty, I just trip alot, I fall. I don't look where I'm going. Sometimes when I fall I hurt myself so bad I can't get up. This is when my "Christain" friends lift me, Blanket me in Gods loveso to speak.
I refuse to step over the bleeding. as I have bleed to the point of near death. I'll stay behind and hold presure on their wound. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:38 PM:

" "real_facts"...

this one gets bumped to the top, until you answer it. trust me, i will chase you around with it, until you do...

is it talking about homosexual sex in romans chapter 1; verse 24-32 ????

it will show who you REALLY ...."aren't'" "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:36 PM:

" ("OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:21 PM:
Real facts I know this is going to incur your ire but could you make an effort to make just 1 posting a day on topic. You can ramble all over hell and gone the rest of the time, but just1 posting on topic").

before you speak, you should really take a deep breath and pick something that represents the truth of whats goin on. otherwise i will make you look foolish for doing so

would you like to explain why you asked me this, when everyobody ELSE IN HERE, is doing the same thing?......i-thought-so "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:30 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:24 PM:
I persoanlly think you girls are good people, I don't know why he hasn't turned on me. I am much like you").

and i never will. i will tell you the truth, it's what i have to do. i will tell you the truth at times, and that may challenge your heart, but i will still tell the truth.

why would i turn my back on something genuine? these others in here that i contend against....i do so because they are hypocritical phonies about God, especially on his authority.

despite-your-struggles,...i-can-tell-your-the-real-deal
"

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:21 PM:

" ("sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:46 PM:
" Lodian, I agree. That guy scares me too. When he gets going I have to leave").

laughing.

actually, when "i get going" (about you), you leave. it's what people in here do when they are confronted with the truths about themselves.

i wish i had a dollar for everytime you came at me first, and either asked me a question, or took a swipe at me, and then left. you especially RAN when i asked you a question that painted you into a corner about your OWN hypocrisy.

run. it's what you-people-do "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:15 PM:

" trust me real_facts , you WILL answer that question.

if you don't, it proves i am right about you

OR.....you could prove me wrong "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:13 PM:

" ok real_facts, we will see how much you adhere to biblical literacy. you copy and pasted some biblical passages, many of which you either added YOUR OWN words, or you twisted the words around from it's origin.

be that as it may, here's a test to see who you REALLY are.

is it talking about homosexual sex in romans chapter 1; verse 24-32 ????

don't give me that garbage that you only choose "love".

Jesus Christ NEVER made an allowance for sin.

let's see you answer that one "real_facts".

"

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:06 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:55 PM: I am not Lodian. I forgive you").

you know, i never gave it that much thought, but you could "technically" (but not "legally")..be-telling the truth.

this is a common ailment with people who suffer from multiple personality dis-order. "they" don't know "who" they are at any given moment. no telling "who" is speaking.

how many are there lodian? if you tell me, then maybe i can decipher which one i am speaking to.

where's "lee"...tonight?

anyway lodian, regardless how many there are....YOUR still on the hook for lying about it....multiple disorder(s) or-not "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 11:00 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:51 PM: " Dare to love").

take your own advice lodian.

if you REALLY loved God and people, you wouldn't lie as if it's part of your identity.

lying without conscience and "love", are polar opposite behaviors

nope....your an "ain't".....and i am not easily swayed from the truth.

boy do i pick truth.

if i had a horse, it would be named "truth"....and i would ride that stallion clear off into the sunset of life

truth is love. "lying" is evil/death "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:55 PM:

" I am not Lodian. I forgive you. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:54 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:50 PM: " I choose love").

preach it to your constituents....they buy it.

you spent the last handful of blogs practicing hate...hatred for Gods word and authority...now all of a sudden, your a walking hallmark card.

i know the real you lodian. and the real you is a phony who is now pretending to be a hallmark card "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:52 PM:

" Dare to love. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:51 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:44 PM: Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you").

man do i WELCOME that "test". i will pass that one with flying colors, because i don't subvert Gods authority, and i don't lie. so judging you, is on YOU....i am free and clear of that one.

warning people of the "phonies", it's what i do "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:51 PM:

" To love another person is to see the face of God. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:50 PM:

" I choose love. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:50 PM:

" I am not Lodian. I forgive you.

Love is an act of endless forgiveness.
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:48 PM:

" Rather, love your enemies, help them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then you will have a great reward. You will be the children of the Most High God. After all, he is kind to unthankful and evil people. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:48 PM:

" lodian: you don't think i know God? look at your post below mine about YOU being a wolf.

while i was typing it, YOU provided that scripture.

i told you you ARE a wolf.

ha ha

God will ALWAYS vindicate me "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:48 PM:

" f you lend anything to those from whom you expect to get something back, do you deserve any thanks for that? Sinners also lend to sinners to get back what they lend. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:47 PM:

" If you help those who help you, do you deserve any thanks for that? Sinners do that too. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:47 PM:

" If you love those who love you, do you deserve any thanks for that? Even sinners love those who love them. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:46 PM:

" real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:35 PM: I smile at your foolishness. I forgive you. But I am not Lodian").

go ahead and smile all you want. you continuing to lie about it only serves MY purpose.

you have found yourself a nice "hallmark card" presence in here lodian. alot of people are now falling all over themselves, as you are now portraying yourself as "peaceful". your "friends" suffer short term memory loss, while my memory says your a phony, thats just portraying "peace".

i will know when you are not a phony. since you refuse to repent of your-lying,...by-biblical-definition...your-still-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:45 PM:

" Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:44 PM:

" Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:41 PM:

" "There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?" "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:39 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:17 PM:In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for their sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do").

Jesus NEVER warned anybody "not" to judge, but to judge righteously when it is the truth. "but" the person doing it, better not be hypocritical about it WHEN doing it. Jesus always admonished his disciples to be protectors of the truth and for that reason, i have been SPOT ON about YOU, and the "others".

what i have done in here, is 100% biblical-truth "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:39 PM:

" The way to love someone is to lightly run your finger over that person's soul until you find a crack, and then gently pour your love into that crack. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:38 PM:

" I have found the paradox that if I love until it hurts, then there is no hurt, but only more love "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:38 PM:

" "To love another person is to see the face of God." "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:37 PM:

" What we are is God's gift to us. What we become is our gift to God "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:37 PM:

" I choose love. No occasion justifies hatred; no injustice warrants bitterness, I choose love. Today I will love God and what God loves. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:37 PM:

" Love... alone makes heavy burdens light and bears in equal balance things pleasing and displeasing. Love bears a heavy burden and does not feel it, and love makes bitter things tasteful and sweet. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:36 PM:

" Dare to love and to be a real friend. The love you give and receive is a reality that will lead you closer and closer to God as well as those whom God has given you to love. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:36 PM:

" The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved - loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:35 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:33 PM:
" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:24 PM: I am not Lodian").
thats a lie that i would bet my life against.
hows that for committment?

I smile at your foolishness. I forgive you. But I am not Lodian. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:34 PM:

" James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:33 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:24 PM: I am not Lodian").

thats a lie that i would bet my life against.

hows that for committment?

lodian did the same thing YOUR doing....the barrage methodology, coupled with biblical inferences she had no idea about, but pretended that she did.

it's the same exact thing

you ARE the same person (but i like how you continue your lying ways). it will only help me in my case against you
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:33 PM:

" Jam 4:11 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:30 PM:

" “You have heard that it was said, love your friends, hate your enemies. But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may become the children of your Father in heaven.” (Matt. 5: 43-45) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:27 PM:

" “If you have love for one another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples.” (John 13: 35) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:27 PM:

" “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like it; Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” (Matt.22: 37-39) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:27 PM:

" Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Give, and you will receive. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:26 PM:

" Forgive, and you will be forgiven. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:25 PM:

" Stop condemning, and you will not be condemned. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:25 PM:

" Stop judging, and you will not be judged. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:25 PM:

" Do for other people everything you'd like them to do for you. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:24 PM:

" If someone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other cheek as well. If someone takes your coat, don't stop him from taking your shirt. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:24 PM:

" I am not Lodian.

But I tell everyone who is listening:
Love your enemies.
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:23 PM:

" God is love, and anyone who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." (1 John 4: 7-11) "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:22 PM:

" Lodian:

so you can't read lev chapter 20 and romans chap 1 about homosexuality because "it doesn't say that", but all of a sudden you posses "biblical knowledge"?

you can't even copy and paste biblical passages right.....YOU ADD YOUR OWN WORDS....in james chapter 4, YOU ADDED YOUR OWN WORDS, because thats NOT what it says

i told you, you were "lodian"

lodian did the "barrage" thing too.

your not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you have EVERYONE ELSE fooled

"

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Jesus praised the man who thought he was a sinner. (Luke 18: 9-14) It's better to think of yourself as a sinner than to think you are saved. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:21 PM:

" We love because he first loved us. Those who say, "I love God," and hate their brothers or sisters, are liars; for those who do not love a brother or sister whom they have seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen. The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also. (NRSV, 1 John 4:19-21) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:20 PM:

" seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen. The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also. (NRSV, 1 John 4:19-21) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:19 PM:

" Proverbs 18:12 No one is respected unless he is humble; arrogant people are on the way to ruin. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:19 PM:

" I may be able to speak the languages of human beings and even of angels, but if I have no love, my speech is no more than a noisy gong or a clanging bell. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:18 PM:

" "i guarantee with my life that you ARE "real_facts"


Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Exodus 20:16)
"

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:17 PM:

" In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for their sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:16 PM:

" Lodian ; unlike you, i wouldn't dare cross that line. you have ZERO conscience about it

you not only bear false witness against me, you lie incessantly about me without conscience.

i guarantee with my life that you ARE "real_facts", and that right now your are lying about it "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:16 PM:

" Ephesians 4:2 Be always humble, gentle, and patient. Show your love by being tolerant with one another.

"

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:15 PM:

" James 4:11 Do not criticize one another, my friends. If you criticize or judge another Christian, you criticize and judge the Law. If you judge the Law, then you are no longer one who obeys the Law, but one who judges it. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:15 PM:

" Titus 3:2 Tell them not to speak evil of anyone, but to be peaceful and friendly, and always to show a gentle attitude toward everyone. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:13 PM:

" "There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?" (James 4: 1) "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:13 PM:

" (Matthew 25: 40) Faith in Jesus, without love to the neighbor is meaningless. "Though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." "

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:13 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:58 PM:
People like "real facts" could be a serious threat to our personal safety").

this garbage is the reason you ARE evil.

anybody that lies to this extent, just because "you" don't like me, shows evil intent by trying to stir up unnecassary trouble among the people in here.

you have always tried this tactic, to turn people fully against me.

i wouldn't hurt a fly, but you lie about it, hoping you can turn the tide against me.......it's your greatest hope to discredit me.....but it's an evil lie "

real_facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:12 PM:

" real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:08 PM: "plus, you post as "real_facts" right after my posts as well."

I am NOT Lodian.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Exodus 20:16)
"

real facts wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:08 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:03 PM:
sam: Yep, "real facts" is totally on my "ignore" list. There's no point in trying to converse with him anymore").

thats a lie. you post things right after i post, pertaining to the things "i" post.

you and the others read my stuff.

plus, you post as "real_facts" right after my posts as well.

you wouldn't tell the truth about what you do, if your life depenede on it "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:06 PM:

" I'm very proud of that American fact about me. I'm a proud AMERICAN biker chick! "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:04 PM:

" retired biker chick! lol! "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:03 PM:

" I wanted a horse ... my dad got horse power. I wanted a horse! I wish I could ride my horse as well as I rode that dirt bike. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 7:00 PM:

" And my clutch was bent for eat'n it! "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:58 PM:

" I had all the "Hang Town" garb. Ya know... the helmet with the face guard, the boots, gloves with rubber knuckles, the jersey. I would piss off the farmers with my dust! EAT IT! I could throw a rooster tail like no boy could. And chicks hated me... don't hate me because I'm beautiful! I'm very well rounded. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:54 PM:

" Lodian... I agree with you. I might want to talk some more with him. I want to be open to some degree. I never ever thought you are evil or dark. Just know that if I talk to him.

Yes I rode a Kawasaki 125 enduro. I ripped it up out at Grandpa's as a young'n. The boys would come looking for me to ride with them if my brother wasn't around. I was fast and I could ride a wheelie for a bit. guys like me cuz I'm prudy with a lil dirt in my teeth.(but I have nice teeth) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:38 PM:

" WY "It wouldn't be fair if I talk to you and not to him".

I can respect that, but for me it all ends when the abuse, threats and bullying start....and become "psycho-like".....no more fun! No one deserves to be abused on a message board or anywhere else. To me, RF, is like the bully in the playground and it his way or the highway. Well, I am choosing the "high" road. Personally, I think one should have integrity when discussing ones religious beliefs and the good character to allow others to have their beliefs as well. When someone feels the need to bully others into their beliefs then it tells me that there is something very wrong with that particular belief. People shouldn't have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into believing what someone else chooses to share about their own beliefs. We have the right to differ in our opinions without being bullied.

Hey, are you really a "biker chick"? :-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:25 PM:

" WY: That's just it. I won't pressure you to ignore or choose anyone over someone else here. I do hope you continue to be wise and see what is really going on with RF. Make up your own mind. It's all clear to me. The hateful words are clear. The attacks are obvious. The desperation to get people on "his side" is obvious. Just be careful. I don't trust him even for a conversation. He twists and turns things around to suit an agenda. I no longer talk to him. (plus he creeps me out...woman's intuition :-) "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 6:14 PM:

" See, I missed the 'walk you through it' thingy too. I didn't want to block him, I wanted to talk to him. It wouldn't be fair if I talk to you and not to him. Especially if I'm getting thrown into the three rings. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:46 PM:

" Maybe I should call it the "bully blocker". :-) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 23, 2008 5:45 PM:

" WY: Leonard walked me through it, so I'm sure he can help you too. "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:58 PM:

" I'm so frick'n nieve (sp) "

WY wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:56 PM:

" lodian... explain the blocker thingy "

Lodian wrote on Feb 23, 2008 4:17 PM:

" sam: You were able to set up that blogger blocker, right? "

OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:44 PM:

" WY peace be with you and your family. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:03 PM:

" sam: Yep, "real facts" is totally on my "ignore" list. There's no point in trying to converse with him anymore. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:58 PM:

" I sure hope the LNS doesn't share personal information on us with anyone and without our permission. People like "real facts" could be a serious threat to our personal safety. I sure hope the LNS takes that into consideration and keeps our information private from any inquiries. I am now more concerned about the integrity of these boards. "

sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:47 PM:

" Lodian, I agree. That guy scares me too. When he gets going I have to leave. I cannot respond to him anymore. I notice you are ignoring him too. Good idea. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:40 PM:

" I think we all should realize that we probably shouldn't post here anymore, or as much. The weirdos are allowed to flourish while others are banned. It makes me wonder how safe we are with our anonymity here. I question this recent judgement. Would the LNS tell another poster who we are? It's scary to me to think this "real facts" character might be able to find out who I am and where I live. Wouldn't that be a criminal offense for the paper to share such information? Scary stuff. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:23 PM:

" sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:11 PM: "Hey Lodian, was the original T&C banned...?"

It sure looks like it. Leonard says he thinks T&C (the original) was the one banned too. It's very confusing on why Taxpayer & Citizen was banned as opposed to another abusive poster here. I don't understand it. "

sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:11 PM:

" Hey Lodian, was the original T&C banned from these blogs? If so, I want to protest. I love that guy. "

sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:10 PM:

" WY, for real ! Ask her for my REAL home number (she will laugh because she always calls my FAX number) or ask her for my studio number. I am here all weekend if you need an escape. (But make sure you are well cuz I have been dodging that flu for over a month now. Two of my brothers and their families had it...YUCK...LOL) "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:10 PM:

" WY: I hope your mother-in-law will be okay after that fall. She's in our prayers, as are you. I'm sorry you are feeling bad. I love what you wrote here..."The sun pierced the clouds like pin holes in a background. It was beautiful." Take care, friend. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:03 PM:

" T&C has blue eyes. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:00 PM:

" Sam ... for real? right on! I love her! We're buds, we hang out all the time. We'll come together. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:56 PM:

" OTH... No numbers on me.I'm looking for myself. I'm being careful of what I say. I'm listening to him. My stress is outside of this. This is fun for me or at least it should be. Good night "

sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:55 PM:

" WY, you apologized for speaking for me on another blog. Girlfriend, you can speak for me anytime. Leave these blogs for a while. If T&C was the one banned, I feel sick. He is amazing. Ask Onus mom for my phone number and call me. Come over and claim your lemons. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:49 PM:

" OTH ... Like a soap. You miss a month and can catch up in a day. See ya for now "

OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Lodian he's really working a number. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:48 PM:

" real facts...I have to go for now. "

OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:46 PM:

" WY can I say stop worrying about the BS. It's the other things that are important and need your strength. You need to focus your strengths on those who need them. Honey, the BS is always gonna be there. You can come back to it later if you want. Do what you need to do for you. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:38 PM:

" Lodian... may times I wasn't feeling good and you have said to me peace be with you. Thank you. I'm not feeling good right now. I have alot of stress. I did get peace. I mucked the stalls and took a ride in the break of the weather. Ah some peace. The sun pierced the clouds like pin holes in a background. It was beautiful. An I'm sad.
Mr. Areida and my mom-in-law fell and is hurt bad. And all this BS. I have to stop thinking about this extra stuff and focus on my family. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:28 PM:

" I'm really proud of my big brother. He is a war hero. keeping to topic "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:24 PM:

" I want to talk to him. I was sick and couldn't get into it. I persoanlly think you girls are good people, I don't know why he hasn't turned on me. I am much like you.

I love those songs! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:44 PM:

" OTH: He's just not capable. "

OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:21 PM:

" Real facts I know this is going to incur your ire but could you make an effort to make just 1 posting a day on topic. You can ramble all over hell and gone the rest of the time, but just1 posting on topic. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:14 PM:

"
WY: Remember this one?

Brandy (you're a fine girl)
by Looking Glass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-tRXewCAmU "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:13 PM:

" WY: Peace be with you as well. "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:50 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:57 PM:
I keep sinning realfacts, it's in my nature. I still hear Him call me").

your not the only one WY. EVERYONE does.

the difference between you and the others in here, is that your heart is pure toward God, in that even though you "fall", you move toward him...thats-why-you-hear-him-"call"

the others in here "feign" they move toward God, but thier words and actions prove otherwise, AND they tell each other that that's ok. they "teach" thru thier words and actions that anyone can make redefine Gods authority.

you adjust to his authority...therein-lies-the-difference "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:43 PM:

" lodian: instead of copying and pasting something (7:28pm post) you don't even follow as per your own behavior in here, it would go a long way in here, especially to WY, if you were to prove your integrity, by admitting you lied about me, and apologizing.

plus you keep lying that you are NOT "real_facts", which in turn cancels out your "attempt" at peace in your 7:28pm post.

other people buy into it though "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:38 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:57 PM:
I think it is SO important for us to resolve this").

WY, i hate to say this, because it is not what you are going to want to hear as a person of peace, but i am afraid this will never resolve itself in these blogs.

there will ALWAYS be people in these blogs that will attempt to subvert Gods authority over man, and I will always be here countering it.

in that vein, it will continue. because "they" don't like it, it will actually get uglier....it's-who-they-are "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:35 PM:

"
WY: "Green Eyed Lady" by Sugarloaf 1972
"

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:33 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:57 PM:
Real facts... OK so the is no integrity in your eyes.But, a no good,dark liar? I have issues with the way yu are coming at people").

it is hard for you to see that dark side in people, because of your peaceful nature. but don't forget, Jesus AND the apostle paul BOTH got downtown with people, over the same issues i do in here.

when someone consistently fights against the authority of God, and consistently lies without conscience, they are NOT a "follower" of Christ, no matter how "sweet" they are to you. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:28 PM:

" If I belittle those whom I am called to serve, talk of their weak points in contrast perhaps with what I think of as my strong points; if I adopt a superior attitude, forgetting "Who made thee to differ? and what hast thou that thou hast not received?" then I know nothing of Calvary love. "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:27 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:04 PM:
If you both say you're sorry then will you both soften towards each other?
Real facts... did you know it's going on three weeks that you have been defending your fight").

first of all, i have nothing to apologize to lodian about. what i said about her was the truth. i don't apologize for telling the truth. if you can point me to something that was sinful....i will apologize.

"it's" been going on for over (1) year now. just different "players", lodian being one of the latest. i will be here doing-the-same-thing-as-long-as-thier-is"-opportunity" "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:21 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:10 PM:
I like the fact that you stand up for what you believe. I don't ,however, like the way you NEED to prove your point").

the great thing about telling the truth, and not worrying what people do or think afterward, is one doesn't NEED to prove thier point.

the reason i do what i do without being detoured away from it, is because if i don't, someone who reads these blogs is going to get the notion that they too can make up whatever they want about God. i keep these people in-here-on-the-hook-about-it-by-demonstrating-thier-misrepresenting-God "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:13 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:10 PM:
" Real facts... everyone is mad at you,an you don't care").

i care, in that i am a peace maker by first choice nature. if you knew me away from here, you would know that is a true statement. it doesn't look like it in here, because of how i need to deal with these people over stripping God of his authority.

when i do tell the truth, i DON'T care about the fallout of that. if i adjust truth to the sensitivities of people, then i am NOT telling the real truth....i-don't-care-how-mad-people-are-at-me-after-i-tell-the-truth....God-is-NOT----------"PC"...and-neither-am-i "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:07 PM:

" ("real_facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:39 PM:We must love every man in spite of his falling into sin. Never mind the sins, but remember that the foundation of the man is the same - the image of God").

"never-mind-the-sins"?

lodian, "loving every man in spite of" is the first step a believer should make, as EVERYONE struggles at one point or another.

but sweeping sin aside, and selling the notion to others that it is no big deal, or "ok", is something that completely dis-pleases God.

YOU sell that notion, and it is the BIGGEST reason i continue to oppose you "

real_facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:39 PM:

" WY, excellent comments and peace be with you also.

We must love every man in spite of his falling into sin. Never mind the sins, but remember that the foundation of the man is the same - the image of God.
"

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:20 PM:

" peace with all of you. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:17 PM:

" real facts... here is one thing that we FOR SURE have in common non of us will back down. That's why this will be hard to turn around. Why do you think our charaters have been brought together in this forum? Do we think life is a flip of the coin, or is it that God has done this to us? We can talk the talk but lets see us all walk the walk! If we all say we are "Christains" then lets pray for peace with in our group till it stops. I dare everyone!I double dog dare! "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:10 PM:

" Real facts... everyone is mad at you,an you don't care. I like the fact that you stand up for what you believe. I don't ,however, like the way you NEED to prove your point. You don't whip people in to submission, or tell them their HELL BOUND because of a life style. Show them the way,don't whip them when their walking out the gate to quench their thirst. Do you see what I am saying? "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 5:04 PM:

" Lodian... How can this come to a close? If you both say you're sorry then will you both soften towards each other?
Real facts... did you know it's going on three weeks that you have been defending your fight?
I've always said it's about respect. aka Fruit of the spirit. Oh, you two are tough. I like both of you! God wants you both! Same team, though, "same river" How does that come about after SO much strife? "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:58 PM:

" I'm sorry i keep missing keys. I need to saw down my nails. Just fill in where you need to a vowel or what ever "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:57 PM:

" Real facts... OK so the is no integrity in your eyes.But, a no good,dark liar? I have issues with the way yu are coming at people. I can read. You have already calm down some. I think it is SO important for us to resolve this. If not we fail the test God has put us in with each other. we are all here for GOD's purpose.If we don't get it to the full extent, we have a promise to help us through. I keep sinning realfacts, it's in my nature. I still hear Him call me. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Lodian... I would have never figure you for an Irish lass. I'm blue. I did pretty good guessing. What about my tax man??? Taxpayer and Citizen...? "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:45 PM:

" nylodian...Green eyed lady ocean lady! Come on OTH what's that song??? 70s "

real_facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Speak tenderly to them. Let there be kindness in your face, in your eyes, in your smile, in the warmth of your greeting. Always have a cheerful smile. Don't only give your care, but give your heart as well. "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:05 PM:

" see what i mean WY?

she read it, and said NOTHING about it.

i told you she doesn't possess integrity "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 1:02 PM:

" WY: Me? Dark brown eyes and dark red hair (Irish/German). How about you? :-) "

nylodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 12:17 PM:

" WY: I have green eyes, and my husband teases me sometimes by calling me a "green eyed monster" (meaning a jealous type). I just smack him one, ha ha. :) "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:49 AM:

" lodian:
let's see YOU tell WY your not "real_facts"? "

you need to apologize to her for attempting to ruin the dynamic between her and i.

i know you can read this, and so can WY.

you owe us BOTH an apology.

now watch and learn WY, and see for yourself how lodian "isn't" the nice person she claims to be....she won't apologize. she can read this, but she won't address it "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:44 AM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:54 AM:
" OTH.. what do you find creepy? He is speeking to me with respect and his Christian love").

you can bet your entire life on that, in that my motivation with you comes from an angle of love/encouragement.

if you notice, even when you got mad or frustrated with me, i DIDN'T lash out at you like i did with the others. the reason i didn't, is because you are completely DIFFERENT than the others, in that you are the only one in here that is actually FOLLOWING Christ. the rest them are playing-games-and-i-will-take-them-to-task-for-it "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:39 AM:

" WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:05 AM:

" I wish we could all see each others eyes. I bet there all kind. Let me guess... Real facts = hazel.

right on the money. "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:38 AM:

" WY; i "go on" about lodian, because she desereves it. maybe she treats YOU with respect, but she tries to pull all things heinous with me.

from the very first post i made to you in those other blogs, she sought right then and there to undermine what was happening between me and you, as far as me encouraging you in Christ. she immediately started lying about me "using you" for PR purposes. that lie was evil, and it's intent was to kill anything that was good. her latest lie is that i have some "unnatural affection" for you.......that-is-pure-garbage....and-why-i-oppose-her-so-strongly "

real facts wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:32 AM:

" ("OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:44 AM:
The post at 10:35 p.m. on 2/21 is just plain creepy").

OTH, you need to knock this garbage off NOW. there is nothing creepy or weird about what i have said to WY.

i merely stated i can tell thru observing many of her postings, that she herself has indicated that she struggles sometimes in her relationship with the Lord.

it's because of this GARBAGE that i oppose you people so much. don't you dare turn something Good into something ugly just because you want to be a jerk to me. "

OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:31 AM:

" WY you were right. "

sam wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:32 AM:

" WY, green. Bright green eyes is me. Have fun mucking it up. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:11 AM:

" I have to go muck the poo! see ya after bit. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:05 AM:

" I wish we could all see each others eyes. I bet there all kind. Let me guess... Real facts = hazel. Lodian Blue. Sam = blue. Leonard = golden brown. Taxpayer and Citizen = blue. OTH = green/hazel. Brian = brown. nylodian = light brown. Did I get any right?
our eyes say so much. "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:54 AM:

" OTH.. what do you find creepy? He is speeking to me with respect and his Christian love. I understand this. I don't find him to be a threat to me. I also don't like him going on about Lodian. I will stay Swiss on matters about God. I can't fight about things I'm still learning. I need Godly input and lessons pertaining to my Lord. If I'm part of the body of Christ, I too have to reach with love.
And I'm talking about true Christain love, not sexy love, so no one misunderstand that! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:49 AM:

" (WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:40 AM)

"She spirited like a young filly..."

AWESOME! That makes me feel so young! I guess we're all as young as we feel, right? ;-) Thanks, WY!

"

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:44 AM:

" Okay... gotta take the elder to the doctor. See ya later. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:44 AM:

"
"there is only one river"

WY: I LOVE THAT STATEMENT! "

WY wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:40 AM:

" Real facts... there is no destuction. I'm listening to you. I can read, I just can't spell. I don't want to get in the middle of all this crap. It's not how I work my life. I have no ill feelings towards you, I'm just not sure I understand your way. I know Lodian. i've been blog'n with her for sometime. She has a kind heart. She's not dark like you make her out to be. She spirited like a young filly. Dark... NO WAY! Please soften your heart towards us. There is only one river. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:54 AM:

"
....well, on second thought, there have been a lot of "cReEpY" posts for awhile now. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:53 AM:

" OTH: There have been a lot of "cReEpY" posts as of late. "

OTH wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:44 AM:

" The post at 10:35 p.m. on 2/21 is just plain creepy. "

real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:08 PM:

" ("Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:59 PM:
This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list').

sure you can't read my posts. thats why you KEEP responding to them.

i guess embarrassing yourself doesn't bother you huh?

be my guest.

let's see YOU tell WY your not "real_facts"? "

real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 11:06 PM:

" lodian; too bad your trick of getting me to come to this blog via your posted link to here in the other blog....didn't work out the way you had planned.

what's funny, and what you thought happened, is that you turned WY against me.

look at you high fiving yourself.

knowing you tried this on purpose is what defines you as an evil intended person, that you would turn WY against me.

your a sick person to do that.

WY, lodian seeks destruction of you and i. what person would purposefully seek to destroy Godly encouragement toward you? she is NOT who she-claims-to-be "

Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:59 PM:

" This blog is not displayed because you have added the blogger "Real Facts" to your Ignore list
"

Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:53 PM:

"
WY: VERY WELL SAID!

----------------
"You made talking about the Lord a nasty game"

"I got news for ya... we all swim in the same river, you too."
----------------

"

real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:48 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:13 PM:
" Real_facts... are you trying to be nice to Lodian now? What's up? Leave her alone").

WY, look at the screename above slowly.
it contains an _ between "real" and "facts".

it is NOT the real me.

lodian is the one impersonating me, so you should direct your frustration at her.

you wonder why i say what i say about lodian WY? look at her recent shananigans, and her lying about it.

i DO know "who she is" "

real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:41 PM:

" ("WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:26 PM:
I'm sure you are a great person, but you don't like anyone on these blogs").

WY, if you knew me, you would know me as a person who loves people and desires to see them succeed in Christ.

also, you would know me as a person of integrity, who loves Jesus Christ ENOUGH so that i won't sit back and watch when people try and highjack his standards....especially AFTER they claim they are a "Christian" while doing it....thats-why-i-do-this-"tango"

that has been going on for a long time uncontested. now "they" are the ones that-are-defining-Gods-standards....i-won't-sit-back-and-watch-that-happen "

real facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:35 PM:

" WY: your wrong about i would "hate you" away from these boards. because i am good at seperating people from thier words, i know more about you than you think. i know your not a perfect person(and-neither-am-i), and by YOUR OWN admission (not mine), a person who may not in your own assesment be obedient to the Lord in every aspect of your life. i TOTALLY get that....and-don't-care-about-that. what you don't get about me because of my dealings with these phonies, is i DON'T look for perfection in ANYBODY. you are EXACTLY the person i look-for-in-Christ....purposefully-NOT-perfect....but-with-a-good-heart-that-is-"trying"-to-be-obedient "

Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:17 PM:

"
WY: Thanks a million! YOU ROCK! "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:26 PM:

" You know, I try and see things the way you see it. And many things I agree with, but your delivery of your Christain heart lost my interest. I'm sure you are a great person, but you don't like anyone on these blogs. You need to say your sorry, but you won't. For what it's worth I like your passion, but things got lost in translation. You would HATE me if you knew my life, yet you are kind to me on the boards. I got news for ya... we all swim in the same river, you too. Be good! "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:15 PM:

" And I will enjoy my peas and pasta. Why are you so nicey nice? What? "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:13 PM:

" Real_facts... are you trying to be nice to Lodian now? What's up? Leave her alone. You went over the edge to prove your rightiousness, leave her alone. She's not whom you think. Get off her ass! You don't know how to "play the game" (as you say it) nice. You made talking about the Lord a nasty game. Stop it! What do you want? What do you want?! We can't measure up to you, so just stay away from us. We suck in your eyes. We're garbage to you, so go "play" with others. Don't address Lodian. Just stop. "

real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:05 PM:

" WY, enjoy your peas and pasta. "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 6:03 PM:

" My grandad ate his peas with a knife. lol! That there's hill billy! I think bit Redneckish, Oh man... I'm in trouble! I haven't had a "car" in years. An I don't think it's gross to share an apple with my horse... spit an all! Is that hill billy? I'm make'n pasta with peas tonight.... yummy! "

real_facts wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Lodian, here is a well kept secret. I too love peas. "

Lodian wrote on Feb 21, 2008 4:50 PM:

" WY: I can eat peas with almost anything. Love them! I absolutely love them on my spaghetti! :-) "

Lucius wrote on Feb 21, 2008 3:17 PM:

" I love peas on pasta, on salad, in soup, and..... even on pizza ! "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM:

" It's OK OTH... most won't eats peas on pasta. hehe "

OTH wrote on Feb 21, 2008 12:32 PM:

" WY I'm sorry I won't eat peas in anything, Yuck Yucko Tooeee "

sam wrote on Feb 21, 2008 10:07 AM:

" WY, I remember my son saying "Hollow" (having a space or cavity inside; not solid; empty: a hollow sphere). He asked if God was hollow like a jacko-lantern. From then on I taught him to talk to God using his own words. Gotta love kids. "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:09 AM:

" An a lil FYI for ya all... My Man likes peas in his pasta! lol Try it! "

WY wrote on Feb 21, 2008 9:06 AM:

" Hi Sam... I am feeling better. Still have a cough but better none the less. I'm a busy mama so I still have to tap to the beat when I'm sick. It's all good because these are the days! I'm gonna go give the pony a carrot then get to work. Can't you just see a lil child saying "Howard be thy name" with their little eyes shut tight and lil fingers inner twinned. My lil one lost a tooth this morning.She giggled for an hour. Now the smile bunny like! :) Yep these are the days! "

sam wrote on Feb 21, 2008 8:09 AM:

" WY, good to "see" ya. Hope your flu has finally passed and that you are feeling like your ole self again. "

WY wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:28 PM:

" howard be thy name....lmao!!! "

WY wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:27 PM:

" OK, you guys have me in stitches! "

WY wrote on Feb 20, 2008 8:23 PM:

" Scrutiny... I think it's 72 virgin female sex slaves. I don't know where you get 80...? I can't figture out where they get the 72 in the first place. That's just freaky weird! "

Maxwell wrote on Feb 20, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Ahh, a peaceful blog. Thanks guys for the laugh. "

OTH wrote on Feb 19, 2008 8:29 PM:

" Alright, alright you guys keep it up and the Grand Poobah will hit the delete button. Just joking, carry on it makes me laugh. "

sam wrote on Feb 19, 2008 3:56 PM:

" voter, that is funny !!!! "

Lodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 3:36 PM:

" jeff: I just know for sure that God has a sense of humor. Have you seen a Proboscis monkey? ;-) "

voter wrote on Feb 19, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Sam, I can identify with your childhood malapropsim. For years I thought I knew the Lord's first name.

Our father, who art in heaven,
HOWARD be thy name. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Sam and Jeff: string beans and peas be with you! Thanks for the laugh! "

sam wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Nice blogs, nylodian. I agree with your rote memory blog. I attended a Catholic school grades 1-8 and for the longest time really believed (because of rote lessons) that "God was a string bean". I later learned that the correct response was "God is a supreme being." "

sam wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Jeff, you are funny. Great blogs. They gave me a grin. "

jeff wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:36 AM:

" 'If there is a god and he's intelligent, then I would guess he has a sense of humor' Bobby Henderson "

jeff wrote on Feb 19, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Peas be with you all. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 6:29 AM:

" Jeff, Voter and OTH: May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you with marinara sauce. ;) "

nylodian wrote on Feb 19, 2008 6:21 AM:

" Neo: The Lord's Prayer is beautiful. I believe it is much more sincere and powerful when it's said from the heart, instead of "by rote" because you are prompted to. I personally prayed to God all the time when in public school. As a student, I'd pray silently before a test or a presentation. As a teacher, I prayed silently for patience. "

OTH wrote on Feb 18, 2008 10:29 PM:

" jeff and voter I'll go with you anyday. "

Scrutiny wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:46 PM:

" Mocking the Lord`s Prayer are we now? Guess if I was a Muslim Fundamentalist type I`d be packing my bomber jacket and getting ready to take on them 80 virgins!! "

jeff wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:44 PM:

" "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under Pasta, indivisible, with Meatballs and just Sauce for all." "

OTH wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:42 PM:

" voter love your poetry. "

Scrutiny wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:42 PM:

" I think Neo means that Spirit=Glory=Holy Ghost "

OTH wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:30 PM:

" Neo was that your addition of "spirit" to to the Lord's prayer? I've never heard it recited that way before. "

OTH wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:29 PM:

" voter love your poetry! "

Neo wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:02 PM:

" That`s just plain wrong dude. You need some professional help, like Jenny Craig or somethin! "

voter wrote on Feb 18, 2008 7:55 PM:

" Pastafarians demand equal time:

Our Pasta, who art in colander,
Draining be your noodles.
Thy noodle come, thy sauce be yum,
on top some grated parmesan.
Give us this day our garlic bread, and
forgive us our tresspasses as we
forgive those who trample our lawns.
And lead us not into vegetarianism,
but deliver us some pizza,
for thine is the meatball, the noodle,
and the sauce,
forever and ever.

RAMEN
"

Neo wrote on Feb 18, 2008 7:29 PM:

" Is the "Our Father" really meant to be called the Lord`s Prayer?

Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.
For thy is the Kingdon, the power and the glory, "Spirit", forever and ever , Amen.

Ya, saying that would have terrible effects on our youths. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 18, 2008 6:46 PM:

" As I said before, when parents and churches do their part, God will still reside in a child's heart, wherever they are. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 18, 2008 6:44 PM:

" There is a only a PERCEIVED war on God, fabricated and perpetuated by ultra conservative media. Example: the supposed war on Christmas that the right-wingers cry about annually. Yet, every restaurant and store from November 1st has Christmas carols playing. The US Post office issues Christmas stamps. Christmas is the only religious observance that is a federal holiday. Public schools, even if they changed the term to "Winter Break" still break for Christmas. The good intentioned and inclusive greeting of "Happy Holidays" has been perverted into a divisive threat. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Feb 18, 2008 6:01 PM:

" Question: What do Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot all have in common?

Answer: All three of these mass murderers attended schools in which the day was opened with prayers.

The idea that school prayer will instill morality in children is a crock of silt. "

Ernie wrote on Feb 18, 2008 3:52 PM:

" danielh, interesting. Today I do not feel there is a war against God. It's more like "my God is better than yours" attitude and "I am saved and you are not". People are not tolerant of others beliefs. "

danielh wrote on Feb 18, 2008 3:23 PM:

" FYI: Our Father... was recited in prayer in the 1800's, when religion was in our education system.

Today, there is a war against God. "

wtf wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:57 PM:

" Ernie said, "If one wants their child to say the Our Father every morning in school that parent should send their child to a private school."

Great post, Ernie; totally agree. I also agree with what you posted, LF regarding giving as much attention to the other problems listed in the letter. "

LF wrote on Feb 18, 2008 12:31 PM:

" If the amount of attention given to the words "Under God" was given to the other issues that the author brings up, the California education system might actually improve. I prefer that my child learns the Pledge. However, I prefer that my child learn the aspects to succeed in life and at the moment our school system is failing our children when it comes to proper eduction. I can teach my own child morale values at home. Too bad so much focus is on this topic and not on the real issues at hand with-our-education system. "

Jeff wrote on Feb 18, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Ernie, I concur. Mazie, I'm not sure who 'they' are, but 'they' are not removing god from church, last thing I heard. So I guess 'they' are not removing god from 'EVERYTHING' as you argue. Therefore you're arguement is logically false. Thanks for playing. "

Ernie wrote on Feb 18, 2008 10:08 AM:

" Jeff, you made me smile. I agree that the pledge should be kept in the public school system, but the Our Father belongs in the home and in church. If one wants their child to say the Our Father every morning in school that parent should send their child to a private school. It would be impossible for a public school to be meet the prayer needs of every religion represented in a public school classroom. "

Ernie wrote on Feb 18, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Nice blog nylodian. I agree that morals should be taught at home, not left up to the public schools. "

Jeff wrote on Feb 18, 2008 9:26 AM:

" I don't have a problem pledging allegiance to this country, I've been doing so since attending reese elementry. But I do have a problem with being told i must also submit this country, and my allegiance to god. I am beginning to see the light spread by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and have been touched by his noodly appendage. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:43 AM:

" The public schools do have codes of ethics that they try to enforce. How often though, do you have parents complain of the consequences when their child breaks a rule? This to me, sends a conflicting message to our youth. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:39 AM:

" Mr. Welsbacher; in response to "Maybe if we taught kids moral principles, we wouldn’t have teenagers bringing guns to school and killing each other with them. Maybe we would have fewer teen pregnancies, and perhaps we would have more respect for law and order in our society." I agree as long as by "we" you mean PARENTS and CHURCHES - they are the ones responsible for instilling morals in their children. "

Leonard wrote on Feb 18, 2008 7:29 AM:

" If Mr Wellsbacher wants to live in a country with a state sponsored religion, perhaps he should move to Iran or Pakistan.

We have all seen how well state sponsored religion has worked out for those countries.

America, love it or leave it. "

Mazie wrote on Feb 18, 2008 7:00 AM:

" AMEN to that!! The reason our country is going to hell is because they are removing GOD from everything. Anyone who does not have respect for the USA has no business being here. "

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